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May 9, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-110
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Did a 24 year old US ex marine try to join in on the Ukraine Russia war seeking adventure? Posted by: Dave Oneil | May 9 2023 16:35 utc | 1 Love is in the air, everywhere I look around Posted by: Apollyon | May 9 2023 16:42 utc | 2 Today’s SiteRep (1 of 2) at ASkeptic Assembled barflies are respectfully requested to raise their glass in a toast: Posted by: West of England Andy | May 9 2023 16:54 utc | 4 Not in a NATO weapons store … To The Immortal Regiment! Posted by: Watzov | May 9 2023 16:59 utc | 6 To The Immortal Regiment! Posted by: Aslangeo | May 9 2023 17:04 utc | 7 Not in a NATO weapons store … Posted by: Marvin | May 9 2023 17:14 utc | 8 Félicitation et merci aux russes pour hier, aujourd’hui et demain. Ma fille de 4 ans adore votre hymne. Posted by: Olivier | May 9 2023 17:16 utc | 10 Again: Denis Kucinich on Ukraine: Posted by: bevin | May 9 2023 17:40 utc | 12 Posted by: Olivier | May 9 2023 17:16 utc | 10 Posted by: Paco | May 9 2023 17:44 utc | 14 Proud to be the son and nephew of partisans. I wouldn’t be on this earth if not for the Red Army. And, the bravery of USA and UK soldiers too for what it’s worth these days of betrayal of their WW2 veterans.🍷 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 17:44 utc | 15 NATO and Ukraine are hesitant to begin the counteroffensive. Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 17:51 utc | 16 Chris Hedges – The Enemy From Within Posted by: Mike Hampton | May 9 2023 18:02 utc | 17 To Karlof1 at 11 Posted by: Oldengineer | May 9 2023 18:04 utc | 18 Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 17:51 utc | 16
Posted by: anon2020 | May 9 2023 18:04 utc | 19 Increasingly crazy atmosphere, the entire western decision making class looks like it’s in the process of being wiped clean by psychiatry meds:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/61700
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Posted by: anon2020 | May 9 2023 18:17 utc | 21 Full video of Putin’s Victory day speech with English subtitles. Posted by: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 18:22 utc | 22 This year no tanks on the Victory Day Parade, no aircraft either. But YARS and S400. And beautiful choreography of the troops. Now what message does this give? That the tanks and planes are on the frontline, waiting for NATO attacks. That Russia is ready for a nuclear strike, if needed, and can (try to) eliminate incoming nuclear missiles (better than any other country can). It’s rather ominous. Things keep escalating. The UK is thinking of sending long-range missiles, the idiots. This cannot end well for Europe (or the USA). Posted by: Anthony | May 9 2023 18:26 utc | 23 Posted by: anon2020 | May 9 2023 18:04 utc | 18 Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 18:27 utc | 24 UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE: There is a lot of anticipation by the West that whenever the Ukrainian offensive is launched that it will be successful. Posted by: young | May 9 2023 18:35 utc | 25 From Yevgenij: Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | May 9 2023 18:39 utc | 26 unimperator @ 23 Posted by: young | May 9 2023 18:43 utc | 27 Anthony | May 9 2023 18:26 utc | 22– “UKRAINIAN OFFENSIVE: There is a lot of anticipation by the West that whenever the Ukrainian offensive is launched that it will be successful.” Posted by: marcjf | May 9 2023 18:49 utc | 29 anon2020 | May 9 2023 18:17 utc | 20 Posted by: rk | May 9 2023 19:05 utc | 30 Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 18:27 utc | 23 Posted by: anon2020 | May 9 2023 19:09 utc | 31 Since the end of the Cold War the secret agenda of france and Germany has been to bring Russia into some form of special relationship with the eu and Europe. For both energy security and military muscle. Posted by: Simon Brady | May 9 2023 19:13 utc | 33 Let’s not forget that today is the anniversary of the Mariupol Massacre, the clear starting point of the war of started by the ukrainian fascist government against the people of the Donbas (and Crimea) to exterminate or ethnically cleanse them out of their own country. Posted by: Blissex | May 9 2023 19:19 utc | 34 “US corporations cash in on Ukraine’s oil and gas” Posted by: AG | May 9 2023 19:22 utc | 35 ” US intelligence has confirmed that the UK intends to send Ukraine an unspecified number of Storm Shadow missiles, as well as British personnel to help with targeting. ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 19:33 utc | 36 Posted by: Simon Brady | May 9 2023 19:13 utc | 32 Posted by: Blissex | May 9 2023 19:38 utc | 37 Posted by: AG | May 9 2023 19:22 utc | 34 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 9 2023 19:40 utc | 38 Posted by: AG | May 9 2023 19:22 utc | 34 Posted by: Blissex | May 9 2023 19:41 utc | 39 No offensive without air cover . Aircraft has to come from somewhere. NATO will hatch up something. Posted by: Stating the obvious | May 9 2023 19:44 utc | 40 https://t.me/Slavyangrad/45233
Posted by: anon2020 | May 9 2023 19:46 utc | 41 ” “US corporations cash in on Ukraine’s oil and gas” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 19:47 utc | 42 In spite of the Biden’s best efforts the US majors have extracted nothing of value from Ukraine, it was to replace Russia in the grand scheme. Another complete failure Ben Norton can’t seem to admit. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 9 2023 19:52 utc | 43 The way I read it Z-man is talking billions, big oil is well…talking Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 9 2023 19:54 utc | 44 Some head-up from the skies above Europe for the last 2+ hours or so, on a Victory Day 2023. Posted by: whirlX | May 9 2023 20:01 utc | 45 Looks like Pentagram jumped in on the MIM-104/kinzhal BS bandwagon. The MIM-104 Patriot has a maximum intercept altitude of 24km and range of 80km. So they are saying the Patriot system, which over the past years and decade has trouble intercepting modified Katyusha rockets hitting oil refineries in Saudi Barbaria could hit Kinzhal, which is bearing down at some target at up to a Mach 10 speed. Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 20:08 utc | 46 Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | May 9 2023 18:39 utc | 25 “There is no 72nd Brigade in the Russian Armed Forces order of battle. Something to keep in mind.” Posted by: Response2 | May 9 2023 20:11 utc | 47 Posted by: Anthony | May 9 2023 18:26 utc | 22 “This year no tanks on the Victory Day Parade” Posted by: Response2 | May 9 2023 20:13 utc | 48 Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 20:08 utc | 45 Posted by: unimperator | May 9 2023 20:16 utc | 49 Posted by: Olivier | May 9 2023 17:16 utc | 10 Posted by: Fabrice | May 9 2023 20:18 utc | 50 Has NATO run out of NATO Air defense systems? Or is the US telling us that Russian S-400 are vastly superior to anything they could produce? Posted by: jpc | May 9 2023 20:20 utc | 51 ” Hey Turkey. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 20:24 utc | 52 Bandera sources report that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have purchased 5,000 diving tugs to be used in landing operations on the Dnieper. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 20:25 utc | 53
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 19:47 utc | 41 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 9 2023 20:25 utc | 54 MorePain4Cakes @ 25
If it’s fake Pepe bought it hook, line and sinker, he’s far from perfect so, why not. Hope it’s fake, if it’s real it’s not kayfabe, no place for this on May 9th. Actually, no place for this as kayfabe on May 9th either. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 20:33 utc | 55 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 19:47 utc | 41 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 9 2023 20:35 utc | 56 Germany warns China that ‘neutrality’ means siding with Russia Posted by: Marvin | May 9 2023 20:37 utc | 57 West of England Andy @ 53 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 20:42 utc | 58 US Seeks Procurement S-400 System for Ukraine… from NATO member Turkiye Posted by: Ed | May 9 2023 20:44 utc | 59 “..Which begs the obvious question, why are the US multinationals so sure they’ll get a return on their investments. They’re pouring billions into Ukraine collectively and they dont do charity work.” Posted by: bevin | May 9 2023 20:47 utc | 60 Thank you for the post, bevin@12. I love Denis Kucinich, once a presidential hopeful. He’s comparable to Jeffrey Sachs. Posted by: grunzt | May 9 2023 20:51 utc | 61 re: whirlX | May 9 2023 20:01 utc | 44 Posted by: Perimetr | May 9 2023 20:52 utc | 62 Marvin @ 56
People keep making the same mistake even at the bar, China is long past a low cost manufacturer for other countries, they import as much as they sell, both goods and services. From the EU they import high value, high margin goods and services, which is all the EU really offers these days, they chose to dismantle everything else. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 20:52 utc | 63 US capital will be exported to Ukraine for the simple reason that the back of Ukrainian labor is now broken and it will be able for many years to make excess profits by concentrating their production there and taking advantage of the state’s endemic corruption. Posted by: fnord | May 9 2023 20:54 utc | 64
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 20:42 utc | 57 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 9 2023 20:56 utc | 65 Well, yes…there was this symbolic but lonely T34 on parade…but on RSOTM they asked for Armata’s…so it must mean something and that something can only be a bigger war coming, or what is your interpretation? Posted by: Anthony | May 9 2023 20:58 utc | 66 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 19:47 utc | 41 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 9 2023 21:00 utc | 67 words to Germany eurovision song….blood and glitter…blood and glitter we are so happy we could die Posted by: Jo | May 9 2023 21:01 utc | 68 grunzt @ 60
Kucinich is head and shoulders above Sachs, Sachs is trying hard to seek redemption these days, Kucinich never strayed from the righteous path. Pretty sure Kucinich dodged at least one assassination attempt as a pol in CLE. Ever see the movie Kill the Irishman? Dennis may be small of stature but he came up from the meanest streets. In 1977 Sachs would have high tailed it out of Cleveland on a 7am Greyhound. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 21:04 utc | 69
Nope. Sachs was an IMF hitman until he had an epiphany. Kucinich has been pure as the driven snow from the get go. Posted by: Drinky Crow | May 9 2023 21:05 utc | 70 From the article on US firms eyeing Ukrainian resources:
“Medium-term” is pretty ambiguous. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 9 2023 21:06 utc | 71 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 9 2023 20:25 utc | 52 Posted by: Milites | May 9 2023 21:07 utc | 72 Can any barflies help identify this monument and what it depicts? Posted by: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 21:08 utc | 73 Posted by: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 21:08 utc | 72 Posted by: Milites | May 9 2023 21:12 utc | 74 re: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 21:08 utc | 72 Posted by: Perimetr | May 9 2023 21:15 utc | 75 Posted by: karlof1 | May 9 2023 17:32 utc | 11 Posted by: Patroklos | May 9 2023 21:15 utc | 76 Posted by: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 21:08 utc | 72 Posted by: Digital Spartacus | May 9 2023 21:18 utc | 78 22 Posted by: Jo | May 9 2023 21:18 utc | 79 @ Perimetr | May 9 2023 20:52 utc | 61 Posted by: whirlX | May 9 2023 21:18 utc | 80 We hear about many Ukro boats that shall be used in assult across Dniepr…. Posted by: srbin | May 9 2023 21:22 utc | 82 ” Also keep in mind these people don’t think long term anymore. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 21:24 utc | 83 ” From the article on US firms eyeing Ukrainian resources: Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 21:30 utc | 84 Posted by: Digital Spartacus | May 9 2023 21:18 utc | 77 Posted by: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 21:32 utc | 85 @ srbin | May 9 2023 21:22 utc | 81 Posted by: whirlX | May 9 2023 21:36 utc | 86 https://scheerpost.com/2023/05/05/dennis-kucinich-wwiii-on-the-installment-plan/ Posted by: Ed | May 9 2023 21:37 utc | 87 Not much to say today … except that: Posted by: Don Firineach | May 9 2023 21:38 utc | 88 Prigozhin was at it again, issuing more blistering condemnations of Russian military leadership. It wasn’t widely reported on. probably at least in part, because it was Victory Day. Again it’s so off the scales that the man has either totally lost it, or there is some basis of truth in what he says. Many will claim this is just either a psy-op or Prigozhin maneuvering for a move into politics. When I read his words…his total freak out…I cannot picture this to be either. Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 9 2023 21:38 utc | 89 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 21:30 utc | 83
An absolute case study! I sincerely hope @Deplorable Commissar is not employed in a railway signalling capacity, the attempted derailments would be epic… Posted by: West of England Andy | May 9 2023 21:43 utc | 90 Posted by: Milites | May 9 2023 21:12 utc | 73 Posted by: GT Stroller | May 9 2023 21:50 utc | 91 Here’s a link to Statistica website that shows China vs. ROW trade balance. It seems that Soybeans are the significant commodity US sells to China. China can turn off the tap to the US and the EU and end the war in Ukraine. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263632/trade-balance-of-china/ Posted by: Willow | May 9 2023 21:51 utc | 92 Very interesting. Worth careful viewing. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 22:03 utc | 93 ” An absolute case study! I sincerely hope @Deplorable Commissar is not employed in a railway signalling capacity, the attempted derailments would be epic… Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 9 2023 22:05 utc | 94 The EU claims it will sail vessels near Taiwan as support. does that constitute “neutrality”?. im not sure what vessels EU has, maybe member vessels as borrell stated on 22 august Posted by: hankster | May 9 2023 22:06 utc | 95 Prigozhin is saying what everyone is thinking, something is definitely wrong in the house of Russia. Posted by: Johnycomelately | May 9 2023 22:17 utc | 96 West of England Andy @ 4. With the greatest of pleasure and warmth I do so. An extra large helping of Whiskey and American Dry!! Nastarovia!!! Posted by: Jo Dominich | May 9 2023 22:32 utc | 97 Patroklos | May 9 2023 21:15 utc | 75– Prigozhin is saying what everyone is thinking, something is definitely wrong in the house of Russia. Posted by: Ed | May 9 2023 22:37 utc | 99 unimperator | May 9 2023 20:08 utc | 45
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