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May 7, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-109
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@ @vec | May 7 2023 20:55 utc | 101 Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:01 utc | 201 ” Trying to end the “Nazis” is an error. The same error that they commit when they are trying to genocide “Russians”. To end Nazism, you must make a nazi feel the consequences off to be a nazi. Until they experiment the suffering, no possibility to change this mad. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 7:06 utc | 202 ” Why does NATO want Russia to go nuclear? I see that also, but why? Is that not dangerous, even for western elites? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 7:09 utc | 203 james | May 8 2023 6:50 utc | 195 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 7:12 utc | 204 Nazi @ 204 I know your real name, Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 7:13 utc | 205 ⚡️Mogilization in Ukrainian in the city of Dnipro😁 Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 7:21 utc | 206 @ John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:01 utc | 203 Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:26 utc | 207 Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:01 utc | 203 Posted by: kspr | May 8 2023 7:39 utc | 208 @ 206 peter au, Posted by: james | May 8 2023 7:45 utc | 209
If Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, it will give NATO carte blanche to use nukes wherever they want, which has been a taboo until now. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 7:52 utc | 210 As I said before, the quality of comments here is declining, meaning a big effort from the trolls (whether from Langley, London or Kiev does’t really matter). President Putin not attending the victory parade, really? Prighozin an unimportant voice, really? And of course a bit of pornography. B look out or MoA is going the Southfront way! Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 7:56 utc | 211 zelensky rewrites history changing may 9th to “Europe Day” Posted by: hankster | May 8 2023 7:58 utc | 212
Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:17 utc | 213
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17665 Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:18 utc | 214 And about the moon landings, the most relevant part for discussion here may be this: they could have been real or it could have been a hoax, but one thing stands out: the USA clearly does not have the means (technology, competence) to bring off a manned moon landing again. They don’t even have the rocket for it. So, if it wasn’t a hoax, it now is a rather vivid illustration of the USA’s decline. And yes, the F35 story is another example of that. Snobbery and decay, decline and fall – recurrent themes. Then look at the video’s of Wagner soldiers crossing themselves before icons in a partially destroyed church: I’m not religious myself but in Russia a culture is growing again while in the West it is fast disappearing. Most of NATO armies would instantly crumble and run on encountering Kadyrov or Prighozin troops. Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 8:21 utc | 215
Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:22 utc | 216 @Down South Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 217 The SMO has more dimensions and they are enlarging.
From: The Slavland Chronicles Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 218 Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 8:21 utc | 217 Posted by: mo3 | May 8 2023 8:34 utc | 219 ” Then look at the video’s of Wagner soldiers crossing themselves before icons in a partially destroyed church: Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:35 utc | 220 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 6:07 utc | 183 Posted by: The Dolphin | May 8 2023 8:36 utc | 221 ” Nazi @ 204 I know your real name, Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:40 utc | 222 Melaleuce @ 219 Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 8:41 utc | 223 Mark2 | May 8 2023 6:55 utc | 201 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 8:47 utc | 224 The Dolphin | May 8 2023 8:36 utc | 223 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 8:50 utc | 225
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/61341 Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:54 utc | 226 @ Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:35 utc | 222 Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 8:57 utc | 227 There are no atheists in a trench. Posted by: mo3 | May 8 2023 8:57 utc | 228 New piece by Simplicus. Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 9:05 utc | 229 ” In the troupe where I served there were some…. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:09 utc | 230 PeterAU1 @ 226 Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 9:10 utc | 231
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17667 Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 9:10 utc | 232 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 219 Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 9:12 utc | 233 ” And I’m sure many Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War and WWII and PLA troops in the Chinese Civil War would’ve disagreed–of course, their views don’t count, right? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 234 Down South #228
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 235 229 etc. – Yes, the horrors of WW1, for example, produced a great deal of literary atheism, Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 236 And in Martin Middlebrook’s “First Day On The Somme” (1971) at least one of the veterans who communicated with the author said he lost his religious faith in the war and it never returned. A German veteran commented, “We had God With Us on our belt buckles but we still lost the war.” Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:16 utc | 237 ” Yes, the horrors of WW1, for example, produced a great deal of literary atheism, Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:19 utc | 238 From https://t.me/remylind21/1724 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:25 utc | 239 “The document has some very interesting observations from a tactical standpoint as Prigozhin goes into battle details. He confirms, for instance, that there are 30k Wagnerians against 35k AFU directly in Bakhmut and 80k+ total in general area near Bakhmut. He also states that Wagner consumes on average 6000 shells per day. Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 9:26 utc | 240 Russia’s newest weapon is changing the course of Ukraine war – The Telegraph Posted by: Milites | May 8 2023 9:27 utc | 241 @unimperator ’86, Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 8 2023 9:32 utc | 242 ” apologies for the wild speculation, but I felt the subject should be broached. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 243 OMFG its Kissinger.
Source: https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/2385 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 244 Basically the Soviet artillery doctrine calls for 180 artillery shells per hectare (10000m2). So that means every km2 (1000000m2) requires 18000 artillery shells per day to cover all the area. So theoretically, optimally Bakhmut, the remaining 2km2 would be fired with 36000 artillery shells per day. In practice, it most likely doesn’t need that much since recon and revelation of firing points is more advanced. Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 245 240 – Not my impression. The West is somewhat nihilistic, sure, but the religiosity of Russia is Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:38 utc | 246 @Anthony 217 Posted by: NJH | May 8 2023 9:43 utc | 247 The German nazi regime surrendered twice:
Very wise of the Russian liberators… the need for exact legalities when it comes to the ‘rules based west’. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:43 utc | 248 @Down South Posted by: whirlX | May 8 2023 9:44 utc | 249 ” Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 245 ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:46 utc | 250 I have probably posted this before, But so much is the basis of society. Those young blokes from Cunnumulla, were good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjYMoB-6OW0. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 9:47 utc | 251 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 245 ” Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:54 utc | 252 ” OMFG its Kissinger. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:57 utc | 253 Something else needs to be said. Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 9:57 utc | 254 I wonder how so much BS post can find their way her into the tread while I never see my responses and post, A reason why don’t post, just trying this one
And yepgetting the message with this „expired“ blabla Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 10:02 utc | 255
The US also lost the ability to send stuff in space altogether for a decade, and there is no doubt it had it before. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:08 utc | 256 “The Bolsheviks are a relic of history now, ground into dust, and the foundations of Chinese society and civilization are Taoism and Confucianism.” Posted by: zeke2u | May 8 2023 10:12 utc | 257 There are decent people in Germany as everywhere.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:14 utc | 258 …and there are stupid judges in Berlin as elsewhere:
From: John Helmer – dances with bears Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:21 utc | 259 I am even a fan of the Free Market; not the laissez-faire free-for-all that is propagated by big business, but a system that favors both producers and consumers, employers and employees, lenders and borrowers. Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 8 2023 10:23 utc | 260 and I might add that John Helmer has quite a few interesting reads in his blog. This one on perfidious Albion is a goodie… Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:25 utc | 261
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17668 Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 10:26 utc | 262 Uncle tungsten @ 260 Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 10:26 utc | 263 @Charlotte Ruse | May 7 2023 21:43 utc | 121 Posted by: Norwegian | May 8 2023 10:31 utc | 264
Only naive fools fall for such fairy tales. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:38 utc | 265 Posted by: gT | May 8 2023 6:41 utc | 192 Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 10:40 utc | 266 @ Peter AU1, §183: Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 10:43 utc | 267 Next time I visit a RAMSAR site for bird watching I might take a biohazard mask:
Lots more on this at the site plus quite a few top reports to digest. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:44 utc | 268 ”Nobody is discussing this fanciful fake news story that American tabloids are running with! Is it because you are afraid?” Posted by: William Gruff | May 8 2023 10:48 utc | 269 Mark2 #265 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:52 utc | 270 @2. Its pretty trollish and frankly moronic to claim that the RoW will somehow lose respect for Russian concerns if they dont kill people faster. Posted by: Augustus Caesar | May 8 2023 10:53 utc | 271 From Victor telegram channel… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 8 2023 10:55 utc | 272 @ uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:14 utc | 260 Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 10:57 utc | 273 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:38 utc | 267 Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 10:58 utc | 274 shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:38 utc | 267 Posted by: Pudding | May 8 2023 11:00 utc | 275 Here is another pithy extract from anti-spiegel.ru on that bio-lab report.
The hegemon must be destroyed IMO. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 11:06 utc | 276 https://tanks-alot.co.uk/military-vehicles-for-sale/ Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 8 2023 11:10 utc | 277 John Kennard #275 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 11:15 utc | 278
Did you miss the part about suppressing intra-species competition? Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 11:15 utc | 279
Yes, such a reduction has to happen, and the elites exterminating everyone else except for whatever the carrying capacity is happens to be, if you are to analyze the situation objectively and with emotions, the preferable option compared to the alternative of total extinction. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 11:21 utc | 280 Shaddow banned @282 Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 11:29 utc | 281 Simplicius cites Ukraine military to dismiss Sirovikin and Pregozhin arms settlement.
It certainly illustrates that if Ukraine chickens out from its offensive then it may well be because they realise there will be endless shelling up to the northern hemisphere summer equinox. And beyond. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 11:38 utc | 282 Revelo @ 268 Posted by: oldhippie | May 8 2023 11:43 utc | 283 @ uncle tungsten, §260: Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 12:03 utc | 284 @ uncle tungsten, §261: Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 12:09 utc | 285 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 11:15 utc | 281 Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 12:13 utc | 286 Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 12:13 utc | 288 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 8 2023 12:32 utc | 288 240. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 8 2023 12:35 utc | 289 Revelo @ 287 Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 12:40 utc | 290 > millimeter-range measurements of the Earth-moon distance, using the mirrors installed on that mission Posted by: bullsh | May 8 2023 12:46 utc | 291 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 8 2023 12:35 utc | 292 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 8 2023 12:50 utc | 292 Mark2 | May 8 2023 8:41 utc | 225 Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 12:58 utc | 293 Posted by: bullsh | May 8 2023 12:46 utc | 294 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 8 2023 13:11 utc | 294 Sarah [michael] Ashton Cirillo. Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 13:16 utc | 295 I wonder if Russia/China might have an open dialog on what a diplomatic solution might look like – in Ukraine’s absence. This might help might help the general public to understand what is in dispute. I suspect that at this point, Russia is not going to use Ukraine to settle all the issues with NATO or will they. Posted by: jared | May 8 2023 13:35 utc | 296 @ Doctor Eleven, §292: Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 13:56 utc | 297 @ bullsh | May 8 2023 12:46 utc | 294 Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 14:24 utc | 298 https://amgreatness.com/2023/05/06/american-despotism/ Posted by: Milites | May 8 2023 14:38 utc | 299 Does the war in Ukraine suggest a wonderful possibility towards peace? It seems to me that non aggression treaties or neutrality pacts have never been more practical than now. To the extent that this war has stalemated, Blitzkreig might be obsolete. There are satellites, drones, remote sensing, and the internet to expose what everyone is doing – and that didn’t exist back in the Ribbentrop-Molotov days. Of course, Neo Cons will hate this….. Posted by: Eighthman | May 8 2023 14:39 utc | 300 |
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