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May 7, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-109

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Comments

@ @vec | May 7 2023 20:55 utc | 101
Debating cultists/conspiratorialists/the propagandized is generally a waste of effort and time.
My formula for disengagement is “Well, we’re obviously not going to come to a meeting of minds, so let’s just drop it.”
I just yesterday ran into an old friend of fifty years’ standing who absolutely has swallowed the American Colonial “narrative” whole, and got angry when I (very mildly, I do assure you) questioned it, started firing talking-points at me (citing authorities such as BBC), and after every point jabbed his finger at me and all but shouted “Fact!” (I presume he got that from somewhere but don’t know where).
Whoa.
Still, providing “Fact!” to counter cultic/conspiratorial/propaganda “narratives”/”realities” on a public forum is valuable not only in detail but as example that there are other POVs to those new to the subject.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:01 utc | 201

” Trying to end the “Nazis” is an error. The same error that they commit when they are trying to genocide “Russians”. To end Nazism, you must make a nazi feel the consequences off to be a nazi. Until they experiment the suffering, no possibility to change this mad.
Posted by: Lalita | May 7 2023 22:29 utc | 135 ”
Another fool who see ” Nazis ” everywhere.
BTW, the ideology is properly called ” National Socialism ” , the term Nazi was coined by a Khazarian as a term of slander. Strangely the Khazarian comes from a group called the Ashkenazi as in the AshkeNAZI. Weird coincidence maybe, cosmic joke ? Maybe, but drop the worn out Nazi schtic.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 7:06 utc | 202

” Why does NATO want Russia to go nuclear? I see that also, but why? Is that not dangerous, even for western elites?
Posted by: srbin | May 7 2023 22:29 utc | 134 ”
Obvious answer: they’re not afraid of the consequences which will properly be very limited in scope. Why that would be is up for discussion.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 7:09 utc | 203

james | May 8 2023 6:50 utc | 195
I sent b an email. Nothing happened. I guess the bar is just getting a bit rougher. What b has grown here will disappear if b cannot stand behind the bar with baseball bat in hand and shotgun under the bar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 7:12 utc | 204

Nazi @ 204 I know your real name,
and I know you know I know your real name.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 7:13 utc | 205

⚡️Mogilization in Ukrainian in the city of Dnipro😁
#APU #Mobilization #Mogilization #ZSU #Ukraine
https://t.me/llordofwar/135384
🔥Neo-Nazis are scheduled to retreat to Chasov Yar and Konstantinovka. Planning is evident
https://t.me/llordofwar/135349

Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 7:21 utc | 206

@ John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:01 utc | 203
“Well, we’re obviously not going to come to a meeting of the minds on this, so let’s just drop it.”
Sorry. It’s late or early or foggy or something.
“The minds” depersonalizes, and “on this” compartmentalizes.
De-escalation!

Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:26 utc | 207

Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 7:01 utc | 203
The matter of fact that this is the best strategy to keep oneself somewhat sane is epitome to the sad states of affairs.
When stating facts challenging perceived reality of a majority of the people around you leads to emotional outbursts making you go silent – then the times are indeed as dire as can be.

Posted by: kspr | May 8 2023 7:39 utc | 208

@ 206 peter au,
maybe it is as you say – b is getting burnt out…. the place has gotten a lot more populated.

Posted by: james | May 8 2023 7:45 utc | 209

Obvious answer: they’re not afraid of the consequences which will properly be very limited in scope. Why that would be is up for discussion.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 7:09 utc | 205

If Russia uses nukes in Ukraine, it will give NATO carte blanche to use nukes wherever they want, which has been a taboo until now.
Iran, Syria, etc.
Russia will never use nukes in Ukraine (it has been stated many times), for the simple reason that it would be nuking itself as Ukraine is core historic Russian territory.
But even if the first ring of neighboring countries — Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Finland, etc. — or even places further west in Europe do get glassed, that is still OK for the US. Those were lined up as pawns to be sacrificed (and thus written off) a long time ago, and the sellout local elites went with it.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 7:52 utc | 210

As I said before, the quality of comments here is declining, meaning a big effort from the trolls (whether from Langley, London or Kiev does’t really matter). President Putin not attending the victory parade, really? Prighozin an unimportant voice, really? And of course a bit of pornography. B look out or MoA is going the Southfront way!

Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 7:56 utc | 211

zelensky rewrites history changing may 9th to “Europe Day”
we defeated facism and will defeat ruscism.
insanity on steroids

Posted by: hankster | May 8 2023 7:58 utc | 212

The Bakhmutovskaya meat grinder has turned into a “Bakhmutovskaya oven”, judging by the last days. Bakhmut is kept for only one purpose – political expediency, which keeps Zelensky’s rating. Everything else is fiction.
In Bakhmut, for about two months now, there were almost no more or less protected places for infantry. Losses in such shelling are colossal, but most will be written off as missing.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15292

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:17 utc | 213

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky will not freeze the front line and negotiate under the mediation of the UN (Korean scenario).
Bankova is aware that this will be a verdict on the policy of the President, who refused to sign Istanbul-1 and preferred a military scenario a year ago, rather than recognizing Crimea and Donetsk and Luhansk for Russia.
Preparations for the counteroffensive continue, and the Office of the President takes into account possible negative scenarios in the implementation of the Azov operation.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17665

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:18 utc | 214

And about the moon landings, the most relevant part for discussion here may be this: they could have been real or it could have been a hoax, but one thing stands out: the USA clearly does not have the means (technology, competence) to bring off a manned moon landing again. They don’t even have the rocket for it. So, if it wasn’t a hoax, it now is a rather vivid illustration of the USA’s decline. And yes, the F35 story is another example of that. Snobbery and decay, decline and fall – recurrent themes. Then look at the video’s of Wagner soldiers crossing themselves before icons in a partially destroyed church: I’m not religious myself but in Russia a culture is growing again while in the West it is fast disappearing. Most of NATO armies would instantly crumble and run on encountering Kadyrov or Prighozin troops.

Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 8:21 utc | 215

Serious question:
Could it be that a lot of the Wagner contracts (6 month as far as I know) are running out now?
Could it be that the replacement by other RF was planned all along and Prigozhin really tried to “take the city” before?
If yes it would explain the whole drama.. to fight for symbolic goals is never a good idea anyway. Ukraine wasted a lot of men to hold on – and I’m afraid also Wagner by trying to counter that.
Russia does not need to please any money donors to keep the show running – Ukraine MUST – and that is their dilemma.

https://t.me/geromanat/6131

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:22 utc | 216

@Down South
M8. You’re a champion. The telegram extracts are excellent. Thanks for this work.
Cheers🏆🍻

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 217

The SMO has more dimensions and they are enlarging.
“Prigozhin Releases Yet Another Explosive Expose of MoD Treachery
Read it and weep.”

Before this whole showdown between Shoigu and Prigozhin got resolved, Prigozhin released yet more damning information on the treachery of the Russian MoD in the form of a Q and A. There is some shocking stuff revealed in this document and it totally corroborates the main claims of this blog and the numerous summaries of the Not-War that I have provided. I was going to include it in my big paywall article, but I figured the public’s need to know outweighed my desire to secure my $1000 of UBI, so I decided to cut this except out of the larger, amazing, top-notch article and make it public, with the hopes that you will use it as a weapon of truth with which to continue the attack on the 5D grifters who have been lying about this war and the state of affairs within Russia for more than a year now.

From: The Slavland Chronicles

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 218

Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 8:21 utc | 217
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Most NATO armies would run away???
Not
Most , ALL !!!
NO NATO army has ever fought against a closed led army!
None… possibly against small enemy troops and even then ONLY with massive superiority!
NATO principle: bombs, bombs, bombs…. no matter if and against what!
Then walk in…
Bundeswehr e.g. an auxiliary force in which NO tank crew would ever have heard the impact of a grenade on their own tank!
Let alone grenades in your own ditch…
US troops…not operational at all without rear services and technical great effort.
Whereby the federal army would only be cannon fodder if the worst came to the worst! At the time of the Warsaw Pact, US soldiers gave the Bundeswehr about 24 hours before it was totally lost! Only France’s nuclear weapons could have stopped Russians at their border!!! What may be doubted today in view of the hypersonic technology!
But Bundeswehr… well, many only serve there because their CV doesn’t allow them to do anything else

Posted by: mo3 | May 8 2023 8:34 utc | 219

” Then look at the video’s of Wagner soldiers crossing themselves before icons in a partially destroyed church:
Posted by: Anthony | May 8 2023 8:21 utc | 217 ”
There are no atheists in a trench.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:35 utc | 220

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 6:07 utc | 183
Lol. Peter, it’s just an internet forum where people express opinions … including mischievous proxy trolls who obviously don’t like you. You don’t have to be here. The SMO will continue without your input.
Maybe, just maybe, if you were a little more temperate and stayed more on-topic in your posts (like 80% of participants here), you wouldn’t make such enemies. It’s your karma baby. Suck it up mate, or get a life elsewhere online. Noone will miss you.
You remind me of the ubiquitous obnoxious arse in the pub that everyone WANTS to punch and turf outside into the gutter. Are you aware of just HOW OBNOXIOUS you can be?
Or, you could always swallow your fragile little ego, only type when sober, respect others as you’d like to be respected yourself, and input only positively to discussions.

Posted by: The Dolphin | May 8 2023 8:36 utc | 221

” Nazi @ 204 I know your real name,
and I know you know I know your real name.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 7:13 utc | 207 ”
Thanks for proving my point moron. A Nazi here, a Nazi there, a Nazi everywhere. Please go play in traffic now.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:40 utc | 222

Melaleuce @ 219
Ha ha cought you !
We live on different sides of the globe, so are paths dont often cross (time zones)
But I need to say I love all of your comments, your a real tropper.
Sharp and with a real life real world intellect. Most of all your sharp low key wit is brill.
Just to say ‘I love it’ keep it up.
Mark2

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 8:41 utc | 223

Mark2 | May 8 2023 6:55 utc | 201
An email I sent to my sister a few hours ago.
I often think about what we have previous talked about and your understanding of the world. Something you asked me one time was how to understand what is the truth.
Sometimes that is complex and takes a lot of research but sometimes it is very easy , though from years of researching and watching various events,
modus operandi of the various players can be seen which helps to know where too look.
Take Taiwan – Media like Reuters use terminology like “Russia claims as its own”. Various terms are used throughout the propaganda media that make people think Taiwan is not part of China.
For that it is a matter of simply looking US government sites.
https://history.state.gov/countries/china
Establishment of Diplomatic Relations with PRC/Termination of Diplomatic Relations with the Republic of China, 1979.
On January 1, 1979, the United States recognized the PRC and established diplomatic relations with it as the sole legitimate government of China. On the same day, the United States withdrew its recognition of, and terminated diplomatic relations with, the Republic of China as the government of China.
Closing of U.S. Embassy at Taipei, 1979.
The U.S. embassy in Taipei was closed on February 28, 1979.
Opening of U.S. Embassy at Beijing, 1979.
The U.S. Liaison Office in Beijing was converted to an Embassy on March 1, 1979, and Leonard F. Woodcock, who had been head of the Liaison Office, was appointed.
…………….
I have found the official US document before in online in US Gov archives but does not come up in a quick search. The great Uyghur genocide. More US propaganda. China had a Islamic terrorist problem that was sponsored by US, UK and most likely Turkey.
https://thediplomat.com/2017/12/is-chinas-uyghur-challenge-changing-its-calculus-on-syria/
“ETIM had established a marginal presence in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan but was dealt a major blow when its leader, Hasan Mahsum, was killed by the Pakistani military in Waziristan in October 2003. TIP emerged as a successor organization in 2005 closely aligned with al-Qaeda and based in the Pakistani tribal areas.”That is a terrorist organization no different to and fought with AQ and ISIS in Syria
In 2014, Abbott told they had to bat for the home team. I think it was around that time or perhaps a year before that the Guardian had its computers destroyed over the Snowden information.
There has been no mainstream free media in the west since that time. The Alina Lipp interview that I sent the link to in the last Email., she spoke a bit on how much here friends, Germany had changed in the last eight or ten years. She was hesitant to say it but then said she felt the people were all brainwashed.
Ukraine – a weasel word term is used. “Russian speakers”. Ukraine has basically three parts. Ethnic Russian east, Russian speaking center, Galicia with its derivative of a Kievan Russ dialect that is now called the Ukraine language.
Since 2014, seven million ethnic Russian or Russian speaking Ukrainians have gone to Russia as refugees.
We watch the rise of fascism in Europe and the full support of Nazism in Ukraine by the west.
US elite is divided. The democrats want to destroy Russia first then China, the republicans lean more to pulling out of the war on Russia to attack China.
UK elite are fanatical about destroying Russia and work with the American democrats.
The only thing that will prevent Australia going into a war of aggression against China is the US getting bogged down in its war against Russia.
Hong Kong only gained democracy when it handed back to China. Prior to that it was ruled by British installed governors.
Beijing, The American organized riots that occurred there when Gorbachev went to Beijing to sign a friendship treaty at the time China was opening up to the world.
That other video I sent you in the last email. “The changing world order” Those intersecting ballistic arcs. We are now at the inflection point of collapsing anglo dominance of the world and the rise of the multi-polar world.
I mentioned something the other day that I had realized I was wrong to try and pick every gust of wind in a storm. That point at which the rising and falling arcs meet is the storm, and that is the point in history we are at.
Saudi Arabia now selling oil to China for yuan. That ended the US petro dollar. The number of countries dealing now in national currencies rather than the US dollar. US still printing money like the good life will never end.
Russia and China diplomacy is bringing peace to the middle east. Iran and Saudi Arabia establishing diplomatic relations ended the US war on Yemen. Syria has been formally invited back into the Arab League, and now formal documents signed. Russia is the main mediator between Syria and Turkey and initial meetings of foreign ministers have occurred.
Europe has destroyed itself because it is within five-eyes sphere of influence. Australia will most likely go the same way as being part of five eyes, we are within US sphere of influence.
But what I am seeing in the emerging multi-polar world are spheres of interest rather than spheres of influence.
Sudan, that is in the news a bit. Apparently the military government signed an agreement with Russia to host a naval base there. Cookies “fuck the EU” Nuland along with a few other US warmongers go there to meet with the so called opposition so now there is civil war. So many countries with anglo/european borders from the time of sailing ships and empire. The world of empires pretty much ended with WWII. It is only the anglo world that is still trying to dominate the world. All of it smoothed over by the very empty word of democracy.
I am getting tired now, But as I think wrote or said some time ago. It is very dangerous to be brainwashed in this period of time.
So called fact checkers, Bellingcrap, white helmets. Perhaps I will try and write something on them another time. Psychological operations or psyops. Very much studied in the west and perfected.
So much of it is aimed at emotional thought overcoming critical think/rational thought.
So many thoughts xxxx but I will leave it at that. Far longer than I intended.
A copy and past of what I wrote to my sister.
………….
She went through so called education, went through professional life, yet she questions what she sees in the media.
My sister and myself have led very different lives. For me I basically left school at year eight and went through higher ed in the school of hard knocks. Those early years when I left left home.There was an incredible video of a south american Gaucho I posted on my VK. I worked in a stock camp for awhile when I was young. Very much down to earth sort of stuff. The earth seemed to come up routher fast when I was on a rough horse or before I learned to ride.
The head stockman there taught me how to ride. I was somewhat hesitant with a rough horse,. He would say step on.. Getting speered through the rails in the round yard is not good. But whatever, Brownie had my respect so I would step on. I was never a good rider but one day Brownie gave me his horse to ride because mine was worn out. Brownie was smaller than me even but he could ride. That grey mare he rode, always something to watch in the mornings. I was a little hesitant and he tells me to step on. A different life.
From a little after that time I started reading a lot. Coming to understand history. Coming to understand the world as it is today.
Old Jerry is someone I will always remebner. A very hash character in some ways. The last to walk a mob across the tanami,. He knew the bloke that run the mail to Birdsville.
There are many different points thast changed my life, that changed the way I viem the world.. But that time in Kimberly’s.
I am once again rambling to much. Will leave it at that

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 8:47 utc | 224

The Dolphin | May 8 2023 8:36 utc | 223
I am not a temperate person. I become somewhat angry if I wake in the middle of the night and a male with lipstick is clutching my dick.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 8:50 utc | 225

🇮🇹🇺🇦 How military aid to Ukraine undermined the defense capability of Italy
According to the Italian Ministry of Defense, the Italian armed forces are suffering from a shortage of artillery ammunition. Military officials believe the problem could become a threat to national security.
The officers of the General Staff of the Italian Armed Forces are trying to convey to politicians the seriousness of the circumstances: if the country is hypothetically attacked, it will be able to “resist the enemy only for 48-72 hours “.
🔻 Why did this happen?
Over the past two decades, the countries of Europe have focused on developing their capabilities to conduct asymmetric warfare, and financing the defense item of European state budgets has ceased to be a priority. In the context of a sharp drop in demand in Italy , two-thirds of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex were closed.
Now the European defense production system, for the most part, works to provide the Kyiv regime with equipment and ammunition. At the moment, this process is regulated by the EU project approved in March for the transfer of 1 million ammunition to the AFU with a total value of 2 billion euros.
– In the first phase of this project, EU Member States must provide additional ammunition from their stocks.
– At the second stage, the EU countries are required to allocate funds for the purchase of ammunition from European manufacturers. The European Peace Fund (EPF) will join these efforts and will allocate 1 billion euros.
🔻 Will the ASAP act help Italy return to the previous level of defense capability?
Unlikely. And the matter is not only in the lack of capacities, but also in the absence of the necessary amount of raw materials – gunpowder and explosives.
In addition, both military equipment and ammunition require regular updating and replacement. Part of the ammunition stocks available to the Italian Armed Forces may already be unusable, and the tanks are gradually failing due to lack of proper maintenance and lack of spare parts.
🔻 If things are so bad, why not ask Italy to soften the terms of supply?
The Italian authorities approached the Biden administration in the hope of negotiating a pause in the supply of the AFU. This would make it possible to improve the situation with the state defense capability and even, possibly, to strengthen the military-industrial complex. However, it turned out that there was a “long line” of those who wanted to take a break.
Our colleague from Italy @RossellaFidanza does not rule out that in the current situation, many European countries may seriously think about increasing defense investments to 2% of their GDP (this is a mandatory requirement for all NATO countries, but only 8 members of the alliance actually fulfill it). While maintaining the current supply volumes of the AFU, they will have to, in fact, switch to a wartime economy and sacrifice the development of other areas of public life.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/61341

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 8:54 utc | 226

@ Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:35 utc | 222
Total BS, loss of faith in war is a classic theme of the literature.
And I’m sure many Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War and WWII and PLA troops in the Chinese Civil War would’ve disagreed–of course, their views don’t count, right?

Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 8:57 utc | 227

There are no atheists in a trench.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 8:35 utc | 222
.
Might be ?
In the troupe where I served there were some….
According to the motto: Shit in your pants doesn’t help…
Help yourself otherwise you are abandoned…

Posted by: mo3 | May 8 2023 8:57 utc | 228

New piece by Simplicus.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-5723-prigozhins-masterpiece
“If Russian forces are not able to secure Bakhmut in 24 hours and 30 minutes, then Ukraine would achieved it’s goal of preventing the fall of Bakhmut before victory day. Impressive.
map via @Suriyakmaps”
“I can’t believe Ukrainians are falling for this obvious trap, Russians are really screwing with their minds.
Russia: “if Ukraine doesn’t stop pushing men into a tiny enclave while we flatten and burn it to the ground for another few days our feefees are going to be hurt :’(“
UAF has been had in Bakhmut.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1655490383584038913

Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 9:05 utc | 229

” In the troupe where I served there were some….
According to the motto: Shit in your pants doesn’t help…
Help yourself otherwise you are abandoned…
Posted by: mo3 | May 8 2023 8:57 utc | 230 ”
Was this during active combat ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:09 utc | 230

PeterAU1 @ 226
Thanks for that, you see thats the sort of comment we come to MOA for, there is no doubt it’s the real you.
And as for the cheap critics they need to know we are all human. So fuck them I say.
We defiantly on same wave length. The public tend to switch off if they dont understand geo politics, they think thats harmless and righteous.
Wrong, how many deaths are they responsible for in just this last year alone ?
And of course the public switching off is known and exploited by the elite.
Keep on keeping on.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 9:10 utc | 231

MI6 passed on intelligence to the Office of the President and the General Staff that Russia continues to transfer heavy equipment to non-government-controlled territories of Ukraine.
According to British intelligence estimates, there are 700 tanks and 400 MLRS systems in the South, another 900 tanks on the eastern front, while about 3,000 different heavy equipment are in reserve in the Rostov and Belgorod regions.
According to the latest data, Russia has deployed more than 100 T-90 tanks to Ukraine, and has concentrated more than 700 aircraft/helicopters at military airfields, in anticipation of a Ukrainian counteroffensive.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17667

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 9:10 utc | 232

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 219
No problem!

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 9:12 utc | 233

” And I’m sure many Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War and WWII and PLA troops in the Chinese Civil War would’ve disagreed–of course, their views don’t count, right?
Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 8:57 utc | 229 ”
Did I hit a raw nerve?
The Bolsheviks are a relic of history now, ground into dust, and the foundations of Chinese society and civilization are Taoism and Confucianism.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 234

Down South #228
Italy is likely correct in its caution.
Slavland Chronicles reports on shell calculations as follows. NOTE the person talking is Prigozhin and the author is in bracketed text…

How to calculate the required amount of ammunition? There are many different methods:
– First: from the experience of conducting combat operations, taking into account the number, including the missing tanks, artillery, armored vehicles and weapons of the previous period. So, in our opinion, this is the most practical option.
– Second: according to the norms determined by the Rules for firing and fire control, the consumption of ammunition for suppressing an enemy platoon stronghold is 180 shells per 1 hectare. The average length of the Wagner front, taking into account different periods, is 80 km. This is about 400 strongholds of the enemy. To suppress them, 180 x 400 are needed, that is, 72 thousand shells per day. And so on every day.
– Third: to suppress one NATO mechanized division for a conditional operation (25 days), about 270 thousand calculated ammunition (152 mm) is needed, according to the methodology of operational-tactical calculations. One NATO division is 12 thousand people. 35 thousand is three divisions. Three divisions – 270 thousand times 3 (for suppression) – 810 thousand shells. We divide by 25 days – we get 32 ​​thousand shells per day for suppression.
I remind you: we only asked for 6,000 shells a day, they signed off on 600 to 1,000 shells, and we received 1,5-2,000 shells a day.
[This military science stuff is priceless. Those who know about it have a useful heuristic for understanding the war. And anyone can learn it. Those who don’t repeat the claims of Ritter and friends uncritically. Both Macgregor, Ritter and Martynov are men with military backgrounds who ought to know this stuff. I bet they do, but are simply lying at this point.]

…Thanks to Colonel General Mizintsev for giving out a little more than they signed at the General Staff. Very little, but at least something. Since May 1, after his dismissal, they are no longer issued at all.
VI. How does the lack of ammunition affect sanitary losses?
To maintain combat readiness during a full-scale war, losses (“200s” and “300s”) of 10-12% in 25 days (the duration of a conditional military operation) are considered acceptable.
The arithmetic is very simple:
– If they give 18 thousand shells per day, the losses are 10%;
– If they give 6 thousand shells per day, the losses are 24%;
– If they give 2 thousand shells per day, the losses are 35% or more.
Nobody expects 10% of ammunition from the norm. In this case, the unit is doomed to death. Now we get 10%.
[Weren’t we told that Russia was winning because of the awesome amount of shelling they were able to bring to bear? Now we learn that even this wasn’t true and the MoD was only giving out 10% of what was needed. The last cope straw that out to break the cope camel’s back, imo.]
PMC “Wagner” according to military calculations should give 18 thousand shells per day. And there should be weapons [X] x 3. In this case, the losses would be 10-12% in a full-fledged war. The Wagner PMC had not [X] x 3, but [X] weapons, so we asked not for 18, but 6 thousand shells. In this situation, our losses should have been 24%, with 6 thousand shells. But we were given 2,000 thanks to the efforts of the responsible generals and Mizintsev. Therefore, our calculated loss should have been 35% for every 25 days. That is, PMC “Wagner” by 6 months of the “Bakhmut meat grinder” was supposed to have lost 200% of its personnel.
It should be noted that with a loss of 30%, a unit is considered not combat ready. We had to complete one combat mission (25 days): die and regroup, and so on 14 times in a row. Instead, we have been at war nonstop for 14 months in a row. This speaks of the insane effectiveness of Wagner PMC. These are standard calculations taught to the General Staff.
Of course, the losses, once again, thanks to the highest level of training, management and interaction, are lower than calculated. But PMC “Wagner” still suffered significant losses, and despite this, we are alive: interaction, control and morale have not been lost.
[This is tacit admission that Bakhmut has cost many lives on the Russian side as well.]
PMC “Wagner” is artificially being brought to non-combat readiness due to the artificially created “shell hunger”.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 235

229 etc. – Yes, the horrors of WW1, for example, produced a great deal of literary atheism,

Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 236

And in Martin Middlebrook’s “First Day On The Somme” (1971) at least one of the veterans who communicated with the author said he lost his religious faith in the war and it never returned. A German veteran commented, “We had God With Us on our belt buckles but we still lost the war.”

Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:16 utc | 237

” Yes, the horrors of WW1, for example, produced a great deal of literary atheism,
Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 238 ”
Yet, Russia is supposedly revving its greatness by returning to its roots and faith, while the atheist West is collapsing in its self absorbed, wiser then thou, nihilistic dung pile.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:19 utc | 238

From https://t.me/remylind21/1724
In the near future, PMC Wagner will continue to recruit employees from among the prisoners. This option will be checked again. Surovikin’s nocturnal audience with the supreme commander bears fruit.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:25 utc | 239

“The document has some very interesting observations from a tactical standpoint as Prigozhin goes into battle details. He confirms, for instance, that there are 30k Wagnerians against 35k AFU directly in Bakhmut and 80k+ total in general area near Bakhmut. He also states that Wagner consumes on average 6000 shells per day.
Using these numbers, he makes some interesting accounts by way of Soviet artillery theory, such as the following:
– Second: according to the norms defined by the Rules of Shooting and Fire Control, the consumption of ammunition for suppressing the enemy’s platoon strongpoint is 180 shells per 1 hectare. The average length of the front of the Wagner PMC, taking into account different periods, is 80 km. This is about 400 enemy strongholds. Their suppression requires 180 x 400, that is, 72 thousand shells per day. And so on every day.
He also states the following:
31. To maintain combat capability during a full-scale war, losses (“200th” and “300th”) of 10-12% in 25 days (the duration of a conditional military operation) are considered acceptable.
The arithmetic is very simple:
— If you give 18 thousand shells a day, the loss is 10%;
— If they give 6 thousand shells a day, the loss is 24%;
— If you give 2 thousand shells a day, the loss is 35% or higher.
No one counts 10% of ammunition from the norm. In this case, the unit is doomed to death. Now we get 10%.
Lastly and most interestingly, Prigozhin states something which appears to answer a question I had last time, in that he believes that Russia currently produces enough shells to fully arm everyone as needed, and as such the ‘shell hunger’ induced is ‘artificial’:
38. The Russian military industry has reached the level of projectile production sufficient to fully support about 5 such combat-ready formations as the Wagner PMC, with a front length of 120-150 km and a simultaneous offensive along all sectors of the front.
39. The volume of weapons and ammunition stocks allows us to provide for everyone, including in standard quantities.
This is an interesting admission, seeing as how he states that Wagner fires 6000 shells per day. So if he’s saying that Russia’s current production is already at a level of being able to support five such Wagner groups simultaneously, this appears to imply that, in his opinion, Russia is currently manufacturing upwards of 6k x 5 = 30,000 shells per day, which would be 900,000 per month, and 10.8 million per year. This is a little hard to believe, although my previous estimates given in a past report were that Russia currently produces maybe in the 300-400k per month range at the most, with long term ramp ups ongoing and that they would eventually be able to possibly hit 7+ million per year, which is ~600k per month, and 20k per day.”

Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 9:26 utc | 240

Russia’s newest weapon is changing the course of Ukraine war – The Telegraph
Rubbish, no weapon itself can have that impact. It can accelerate or retard a current trajectory but the course of a war is determined, for the most part, by decisions made by prior to the conflict. To think otherwise is either mendacious, The Telegraph’s motive, or to fall into the tactical trap of believing individual engagements outweigh operational or strategic outcomes and indicators. Ukraine was doomed when the West’s main weapon, economic sanctions, failed. Every decision NATO have made, for the last thirty years, made sure of Ukraines lingering, ‘death by a million shells’ fate. Conversely, every decision Russia has made in the last 20 years made sure she would triumph.
The new media bloggers, with their: outdated/inaccurate maps, obsessions with individual combats, regurgitating open-source materials with no little to no professional insight, beyond some historical understanding and monetisation demands have reinforced this idea of the SMO as a boxing match where both sides have all to play for. If it is a fight, It reminds me of the last bout in ‘Hard Times’ and there’s no guessing which side Bronson represents.

Posted by: Milites | May 8 2023 9:27 utc | 241

@unimperator ’86,
I dig the little 💥 (KABOOM) logos to show how the Russians are still kicking ass in this conflict fifteen months in. Who’d’ve thought they could hold out for so long against such overwhelming odds?

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 8 2023 9:32 utc | 242

” apologies for the wild speculation, but I felt the subject should be broached.
Posted by: chet380 | May 7 2023 19:34 utc | 73 ”
Why are you apologizing ? This whole site is nothing but wild speculation.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 7 2023 21:26 utc | 117
Untrue, Deplorable. Incorrect as you often are, but deliver with a patronising certainty which frequently exposes your biases and dogma. There is some wild speculation and some unproductive snarky contributions in the comments section, but the content provided by b is meticulously sourced, factual and informative, as are a good number of the barflies contributions.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 243

OMFG its Kissinger.
I am sure he is missing an important element of the circumstance… can’t put my finger on it, but just something missing 😉
At least he is smarter that Biden and Blinken put together.

Kissinger on the timing of the end of the conflict in Ukraine
– If the president came to you and said, would you fly to Moscow and talk to Putin?
– I would be inclined to do this, but I would be an adviser, not an active participant. Now that China has entered into negotiations, everything will fall into place. I think by the end of the year we will be talking about negotiation processes and even real negotiations.
On May 27, 2022, Kissinger turned 99 years old.
What do you think?

Source: https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/2385

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 244

Basically the Soviet artillery doctrine calls for 180 artillery shells per hectare (10000m2). So that means every km2 (1000000m2) requires 18000 artillery shells per day to cover all the area. So theoretically, optimally Bakhmut, the remaining 2km2 would be fired with 36000 artillery shells per day. In practice, it most likely doesn’t need that much since recon and revelation of firing points is more advanced.
In WW1, when they didn’t really have advanced observation methods, they used the rolling barrage method instead. So they would have a line of artillery which could advance 5m or 10m so per salvo, which would cover all the ground as it went along.

Posted by: unimperator | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 245

240 – Not my impression. The West is somewhat nihilistic, sure, but the religiosity of Russia is
exaggerated.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 8 2023 9:38 utc | 246

@Anthony 217
There’s no changing anyone’s mind on such topics. Countless deathbed confessions of those being on-site at of the filming at Cannon air force base, the single example in all of human history in which technology went backwards, computers reduce in size and increase in power exponentially, IA has been advancing even faster than the normal Moore’s Law constant, but somehow the us government lost the ability to place astronauts on the moon despite advances in every other area of science. Surely the highschool drama club level prop we call the Eagle Lander would now have wifi and coffee makers and you know, some sort of radiation protection beyond tinfoil and duct tape. But alas, no major power has challenged the US.gov version of events, until now that is! Building 7 next I hope.

Posted by: NJH | May 8 2023 9:43 utc | 247

The German nazi regime surrendered twice:
From https://t.me/StopHating_Russia/8523

The German Instrument of Surrender, which ended WWII in Europe, was signed at 22:43 Central European Time on 8 May 1945 / 0:43 Moscow Time on May 9, 1945.
The surrender document with Nazi Germany was signed twice.
The day before that, Nazi Germany had signed another surrender document in Reims, France, but the Soviet Union did not recognize it for enforcement and insisted on signing another, amended document. The final instrument of unconditional surrender was signed at the seat of the Soviet Military Administration in Karlshorst, Berlin.

Very wise of the Russian liberators… the need for exact legalities when it comes to the ‘rules based west’.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:43 utc | 248

@Down South
M8. You’re a champion. The telegram extracts are excellent. Thanks for this work.
Cheers🏆🍻
@ Melaleuca | May 8 2023 8:29 utc | 219

Same from me. It takes a lot of time to follow all those channels apart, and I really find such aggregation useful.
B. was complaining, but I think we’ve all reached a consensus there.
I do not have the time to be following skies on a regular sitrep basis, but I take a chance to inform MoA on what is going on, now and then.
Currently, there is a lot of air activity around northern Romanian Black Sea coast.
We have – 1 hidden US Poseidon flying long “eights”, 1 big AWACS belonging to Dutch, a US Navy Lockheed EP-3E Aries II and a Stratotanker. Triple AWACS flying nearby means that they are supplementing each other’s sensors and transmitting ISR live targeting and a movement feeds.
So a triple multi-mission around the Black Sea.
Combined, this multi-mission is covering the water surface, subsurface of a 50+ meters depth and a good part of western Crimea and a south of Ukraine at around 400+ km in depth.
The big Dutch AWACS Boeing E-3B Sentry is also very often changing locations in one mission.
Sometimes such combination is also used to protect VIP flights.
A bit further north above eastern Poland, there is a Stratotanker circling and probably feeding some NATO patrolling combat jets.
Northern coast of Estonia is covered by few small military jets also flying around the coast.
Up very far north above Norway and soon Finland near Murmansk there is Rivet Joint AWACS also supported with Stratotanker not far away.
There is also a private German measuring company prop plane mapping and sensing in Finland a bit north of the strait of St. Petersburg.
There were earlier flights of F-16 belonging to Romanian air force above Baltic States.
Earlier on Saturday eve, RF airspace forces had chased Polish Border Guard AWACS pretending to do EU Frontex job above the Black Sea. It just went too close to Crimea and forbidden zone, and a few close SU-35 flyovers stressed it enough to run away.
So NATO is pushing its luck, sure, but lately I am happy to see that RF is also slowly, politely but firm chasing NATO’s ISR away.

Posted by: whirlX | May 8 2023 9:44 utc | 249

” Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 245 ”
Shalom, my friend.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:46 utc | 250

I have probably posted this before, But so much is the basis of society. Those young blokes from Cunnumulla, were good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjYMoB-6OW0.
That young bloke throwing a clean skin in the air. Unforgettable. My sone was very good. Slapped a sticker on his fuel tank that said second best is not an option. He fucked two of my bikes so I bought him another.
So we watch Russia and China. Second best is not an option, yet they have a great understanding of other cultures and history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 8 2023 9:47 utc | 251

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 245 ”
Shalom, my friend.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:46 utc | 252
Incorrect yet again Deplorable, but delivered with a patronising certainty which frequentlly exposes your biases and dogma.
If I highlight your nom de plume and click ‘look up’ an interesting thing happens.
Someone’s been a busy troll and sloppy at that with the same username.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 9:54 utc | 252

” OMFG its Kissinger.
be talking about negotiation processes and even real negotiations.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 246 ”
Why is this man still relevant, when his Political career probably ended in the 70’s ? Maybe because he’s the messenger for others.
Additionally, why does Putin seem to value this messengers “friendship” so much ?
– THE STRANGE PUTIN KISSINGER FRIENDSHIP –
https://www.cicerofoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Marcel_H_Van_Herpen_The_Putin_Kissinger_Friendship.pdf
– Putin Welcomes Kissinger: ‘Old Friends’ to Talk Shop –
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/world/europe/henry-kissinger-to-meet-with-vladimir-putin-in-russia.html

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:57 utc | 253

Something else needs to be said.
There’s been speculation regarding ‘b’
Running this blog provides a massive service to all right thinking people who vist it. A huge responsibility on his shoulders alone, we live in very troubling times, increasingly so.
I’m over 6’tall but b is taller by far than me.
. I can’t understand his stance on allowing the parasitic wasps distroy his site. The turd on the door step trodden all over the carpet.
But then that’s my failing,
We are not in his shoes.
So total respect goes to him and his blog. What ever the future holds.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 9:57 utc | 254

I wonder how so much BS post can find their way her into the tread while I never see my responses and post, A reason why don’t post, just trying this one
And yepgetting the message with this „expired“ blabla
Posted by: Alfapanda | May 7 2023 22:35 utc | 137
God forbid people post ‘BS’. While trolls can be annoying and we may not agree with everything that other contributors post, we have an obligation to each other to listen. Listening is an often overlooked activity and in the context of MoA it means scanning through all posts and enjoying the more enlightened contributions.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 8 2023 10:02 utc | 255

There’s no changing anyone’s mind on such topics. Countless deathbed confessions of those being on-site at of the filming at Cannon air force base, the single example in all of human history in which technology went backwards, computers reduce in size and increase in power exponentially, IA has been advancing even faster than the normal Moore’s Law constant, but somehow the us government lost the ability to place astronauts on the moon despite advances in every other area of science. Surely the highschool drama club level prop we call the Eagle Lander would now have wifi and coffee makers and you know, some sort of radiation protection beyond tinfoil and duct tape. But alas, no major power has challenged the US.gov version of events, until now that is! Building 7 next I hope.
Posted by: NJH | May 8 2023 9:43 utc | 249

The US also lost the ability to send stuff in space altogether for a decade, and there is no doubt it had it before.
Is it surprising that the lunar landings have not been repeated?
It is not that hard to send people to the moon, it is a matter of investing a huge amount of resources. Really huge. The Apollo project was the US running a command economy before it hit Peak Oil in 1973, before neoliberalism took over and made “small government” mandatory and thus large projects impossible, and before the Pentagon started eating a trillion a year on overseas bases and F-35s.
The USSR didn’t send people to the moon because the Americans got there first, and after that there was no point, plus in the 1970s Soviet society started to run out of steam as a whole. Not because it was technically impossible. And the Americans got there first because organizational issues plagued the Soviet effort.
Take a look at this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_yachts_by_length
Then think about everything else the people who own these things have — numerous private jets, huge mansions, etc.
Also think about all the skyscrapers and other fancy, completely unsustainable buildings that have been built around the world since the 1960s, and how much goes into their maintenance.
Then look at a map of the US from the 1960s, compare it with one of today, and notice how much suburbs and exurbs have expanded, then think about how much fuel goes into supporting that kind of lifestyle.
And there is your answer regarding why there have been no crewed moon landings since then — that is where the resources that could have made that (and many other things) possible were dissipated.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:08 utc | 256

“The Bolsheviks are a relic of history now, ground into dust, and the foundations of Chinese society and civilization are Taoism and Confucianism.”
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 8 2023 9:13 utc | 236
A dumb comment from the “communism is dead” brigade. Communism is an ideology. The ignorant claim that communism is dead, is to claim that capitalism is dead. As long as there’s capitalism, there’ll always be communism. There are communists everywhere, in every country. The only hope for mankind is Bolshevism to establish socialism in the US. Bolsheviks are the only hope workers have for dealing with criminal reactionaries like Nuland, Sullivan, Blinken, Biden, and other deplorable commissars. I leave it up to Russian Bolsheviks to decide what to do with Putin.

Posted by: zeke2u | May 8 2023 10:12 utc | 257

There are decent people in Germany as everywhere.
From: https://t.me/AussieCossack/7038

Berlin has raised the Soviet Banner of Victory over the Reichstag in honour of 9th May Victory Day❗️
😂Ukrainian Nazis must be frothing at the mouth in outrage..

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:14 utc | 258

…and there are stupid judges in Berlin as elsewhere:

A Berlin court judge has dismissed a charge of threatening public order by a speech by Heinrich Buecker (lead image, left) last year for which he has been prosecuted for “publicly approving a crime of aggression”. Buecker is a well-known Berlin anti-war activist and critic of the German government’s war against Russia in the Ukraine. His speech was given in a Berlin park last June 22 on the 81st anniversary of the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.
In a 90-minute courtroom session on April 27, guarded by five armed police, Judge Marieluis Brinkmann (right) of the Tiergarten District Court of Berlin (at rear of lead image) interrupted and stopped Buecker testifying in what the judge dismissed as “a history lesson”; refused to accept from his defence lawyer mainstream German media publications and Bundestag reports as evidence that Buecker’s opinions had been circulating widely in public before he spoke at the Berlin rally; and would not allow legal argument on Article 5, the free speech provision of the German constitution known as the Basic Law.

From: John Helmer – dances with bears

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:21 utc | 259

I am even a fan of the Free Market; not the laissez-faire free-for-all that is propagated by big business, but a system that favors both producers and consumers, employers and employees, lenders and borrowers.
The Market is not some ideal to which we strive (like “perfect communism”) but rather a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing capital flows to where they can do the most benefit.
That can only happen with a sound Market infrastructure (both physical and legislative /regulatory) that cannot be entrusted to the hands of private enterprise but must represent the interests of all, even those who don’t own much of anything.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 8 2023 10:23 utc | 260

and I might add that John Helmer has quite a few interesting reads in his blog. This one on perfidious Albion is a goodie…

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:25 utc | 261

Our source at the OP said that The Armed Forces of Ukraine have purchased 5,000 diving tugs to be used in amphibious operations on the Dnieper.
At the moment, the preparations for the assault on the ZNPP are in full swing, the units were trained in Britain and must land at night in the area of the nuclear power plant and the dachas of the dispensary.
For this, it is necessary that the Dnieper warms up and it is possible to use different types of equipment for the landing operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / GUR / SBU.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17668

Posted by: Down South | May 8 2023 10:26 utc | 262

Uncle tungsten @ 260
Thanks for that well timed comment
and link a metaphorical drone, drone strike far more effect than the Kremlin roof drone.
I recommend people read the comments under the video.
Your timing and content is perfection sir.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 10:26 utc | 263

@Charlotte Ruse | May 7 2023 21:43 utc | 121
If you need to smear The Duran, show some courage and do it at their site https://theduran.locals.com/

Posted by: Norwegian | May 8 2023 10:31 utc | 264

I am even a fan of the Free Market; not the laissez-faire free-for-all that is propagated by big business, but a system that favors both producers and consumers, employers and employees, lenders and borrowers.
The Market is not some ideal to which we strive (like “perfect communism”) but rather a mechanism for balancing supply and demand and directing capital flows to where they can do the most benefit.
That can only happen with a sound Market infrastructure (both physical and legislative /regulatory) that cannot be entrusted to the hands of private enterprise but must represent the interests of all, even those who don’t own much of anything.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 8 2023 10:23 utc | 262

Only naive fools fall for such fairy tales.
“Markets” always and inevitably degenerate into oligarchy and fascism. Even if we start with the most ideal and fair system imaginable initially, markets concentrate wealth, wealth means political power, and over time it rewrites the laws and corrupts the system.
And then there is the whole sustainability issue, which guarantees the self-destruction of any system that relies on perpetual growth (a physical impossibility).
The only viable future is merciless but enlightened and well meaning dictatorship combined with enormous investment into education from an early age so that everyone has a basic understanding of these issues and agrees on the need to suppress intra-species competition so that the species as a whole can survive. It will still be barely stable because this is a never ending fight with fundamental biological instincts, but there is no other path forward, the alternative is extinction.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:38 utc | 265

Posted by: gT | May 8 2023 6:41 utc | 192
>While the SloMO continues at a snail’s pace, drama queens Prigozhin and Lira provide some entertainment on the sidelines.
Oldhippie posted the other day that Gonzalo Lira has powerful connections in Chile (scion of a leading family there) and the CIA. (Hunter Biden is a similar black sheep scion of prominent USA family, with powerful connections in both USA and Ukraine). However, Lira apparently pissed off a group of people more powerful than his powerful connections. Namely, the tranny lobby. I got confused when the pronoun used for the particular offended individual switched from he to she and back again and so lost the thread of the story (though i did catch that the offended individual is now serving as a woman in the Ukrainian military), but probably this is related to Lira’s previous career as a manosphere attention whore. That is, Lira probably said something negative long ago about trannies, especially transwomen (i.e. men who transform into women), but the internet never forgets and now it’s payback time. If this story is true, then Lira is doomed, because Lira’s powerful USA connections will drop him like a hot potato to avoid risking the wrath of the vengeful trannies. This loss of protection due to tranny influence may be why Lira was recently arrested.

Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 10:40 utc | 266

@ Peter AU1, §183:
Doesn´t surprise me.
For the NeoCons themselves, this war is existential. This means it extends from satellites in space down to websites in homes.
It´s all part of the wider war. In our blogging here, we encounter the enemy – currently hijacking drinkers´ posts because the conversation in the bar is gathering momentum outside of it and threating the NeoCons´ Narrative. Hang on in there, chaps. The enemy are on the run. Their hacking is a sign of their desperation.

Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 10:43 utc | 267

Next time I visit a RAMSAR site for bird watching I might take a biohazard mask:
From Russian MOD via anti-spiegel.ru Machine interpreter for those non german speakers.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation continues its analysis of the bioweapons activities of the United States and its allies in Ukraine and elsewhere in the world.
In the last statement, we drew your attention to the role of the U.S. Department of Energy in the Pentagon’s biological weapons programs. Today I would like to dwell on the documents confirming the involvement of this ministry in dual-use projects in Ukraine.
For example, one of the department’s 17 laboratories, the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Washington state, worked directly in Ukraine as part of a project called the “Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation Prevention Initiative”.
Note the official statement of John Stephen Binkley, Director of the Office of Scientific Research at the US Department of Energy, dated April 4, 2022. The document emphasizes that the Directorate will assist the Ukrainian side in restoring the curtailed dual-use research programs after the possible return of specialists.
The submitted document confirms that one of the activities of the Ministry of Energy is the recruitment of specialists who previously worked in Ukraine and have experience and knowledge in the field of weapons of mass destruction.

Lots more on this at the site plus quite a few top reports to digest.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:44 utc | 268

”Nobody is discussing this fanciful fake news story that American tabloids are running with! Is it because you are afraid?”
Signed: Guaranteed Troll
Learn to spot the pattern, folks.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 8 2023 10:48 utc | 269

Mark2 #265
Thank you, I am on a bit of a trawl right now as the orchard has kept me busy with my love for trees. But I try to find time to feed the barflies and titillate their taste for intrigue.
The troll density and wierd OT stuff is thick these days ;/
I notice that the Russian tempo has radically increased over the last few days and may all its shots find their mark.
Happy Victory Day to you and all barflies for the next sunrise. I have a big victory moon to keep me company right now.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:52 utc | 270

@2. Its pretty trollish and frankly moronic to claim that the RoW will somehow lose respect for Russian concerns if they dont kill people faster.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | May 7 2023 17:51 utc | 50
I agree. From what I see, the RoW is laughing at the US and NATO, who can do nothing but rant and rave about the “rules based order”,and cannot even pivot to Taiwan because they are too busy eternally fighting with Russia in Ukraine. Russia is doing the RoW a favor.
Watching the West flip out is priceless humour to the RoW.

Posted by: Augustus Caesar | May 8 2023 10:53 utc | 271

From Victor telegram channel…
https://t.me/vicktop55/15111
War correspondent Oleksandr Sladkov: “WHAT ARE THE INCREDIBLE STRIKES IN UKRAINE TALKING ABOUT:
1. We have something to hit with, we never shoot remnants.
2. We have established a new intelligence network, which, admittedly, by the beginning of the SMO was defeated by the SBU. Hence the long list of targets with coordinates.
3. We own the initiative. We know when to strike and, most importantly, where.
4. We are losing hope of luring the Armed Forces of Ukraine into attacking us. Perhaps the time has come for our offensive initiatives.” “>https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/7633

Hence the recent spate of deep rear attacks???
Meanwhile, Wagner and Akhmat and The Russian Army raze what remains of Bakhmut to the ground ..
Burying within those Ukies who failed to heed the message….
AND LEAVE!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 8 2023 10:55 utc | 272

@ uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 10:14 utc | 260
I’ve always found the photo of Soviet commanders addressing their troops from the deck of a T-34 in front of the Brandenburg Gate in May ’45 to be a moving epitome of victory.
I believe the photographer took several shots from that angle in sequence.
The Gate itself is sooty, with white patches showing later hits, and one pillar has plainly been repeatedly shot by some idiot in an attempt to cut it in half (no shortage of shells there, eh?), and I believe a horse is missing from on top.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 10:57 utc | 273

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:38 utc | 267
>The only viable future is merciless but enlightened and well meaning dictatorship combined with enormous investment into education from an early age so that everyone has a basic understanding of these issues and agrees on the need to suppress intra-species competition so that the species as a whole can survive. It will still be barely stable because this is a never ending fight with fundamental biological instincts, but there is no other path forward, the alternative is extinction.
A few things correct here, but false conclusion. Correct is mention of biology, sustainabity, survival. False is the impled notion a benign elite. Much more realistic is for the elite to exterminate the bottom 99% and thereby ensure their personal survival as well as that is the species, since 1% remaining is still 80 million, which is plenty of genetic diversity. But why should the elite of the USA preserve the elite of Russia or vice-versa? No reason. The elites can mutually agree to exterminate the lower useless eaters under their control, and thus reduce pressures on the environment, but they keep the valuable workers/soldiers to defend against the other elites. Distinction between useless eater and valuable worker/soldier depends on technology, of course. Long ago, most people were of some use to the elite. With robotics, only a few will be if use.
Pyramid social structures and constant ruthless warfare is the only truly sustainable organization of humanity, precisely because we are biological creatures. Attempts to create a better organization, and especially egalitarian organizations, are all attempts to escape biology, and this doomed to fail in the long run. USSR a fine example of this.

Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 10:58 utc | 274

shadowbanned | May 8 2023 10:38 utc | 267
>The only viable future is merciless but enlightened and well meaning dictatorship combined with enormous investment into education from an early age so that everyone has a basic understanding of these issues and agrees on the need to suppress intra-species competition so that the species as a whole can survive. It will still be barely stable because this is a never ending fight with fundamental biological instincts, but there is no other path forward, the alternative is extinction.
There are elements in the global elite that would prefer a third alternative, which is to reduce the human population to be more in line with the Earth’s carrying capacity. So less than 1.5B but likely more in the 100-500m range.

Posted by: Pudding | May 8 2023 11:00 utc | 275

Here is another pithy extract from anti-spiegel.ru on that bio-lab report.

That begs a legitimate question: “What does the U.S. Department of Energy have to do with combating bio-threats and conducting dual-use projects?
The non-transparent nature of the activities of the US Department of Energy is emphasized by the fact that it enjoys the exclusive right not to return unused funds of the fiscal year to the US Treasury and to use them for unbudgeted future expenses. This fact is confirmed in a report by the US Treasury Department dated July 25, 2022.
This approach does not require additional applications to the U.S. Congress and allows for unrestricted funding of U.S. military-biological programs.
As evidence of this, I would like to quote the American politician and likely presidential candidate Robert Kennedy: “Since the early 2000s, Washington has spent more than two billion dollars annually on programs to develop biological weapons. The Pentagon did not want to do that, as it violates the Geneva Convention and it “means the death penalty to violate it.”
The Russian Ministry of Defense has repeatedly pointed out the risks of the Pentagon’s military-biological projects to study the spread of economically significant infections by vectors, including migratory birds.
These concerns are associated with the unique geographical position of Ukraine, through the territory of which the migration routes of more than 270 species of migratory birds pass, which are a natural reservoir for such dangerous diseases as highly pathogenic influenza and other infectious diseases.
Project P-444 was carried out directly for the Pentagon through the Ukrainian Science and Technology Center and was primarily used to monitor avian influenza in wild birds in the Azov and Black Sea regions.
The project assessed the conditions under which the transmission of the virus becomes uncontrollable, causes economic damage and could jeopardise food safety.
It must be noted that over the past three years, bird flu in the Russian Federation has caused damage of more than 4.5 billion rubles (about 55 million euros), and more than ten million head of poultry have been destroyed. In European countries, the losses caused by the disease in the agricultural industry amounted to about three billion euros.
Experts say that avian influenza used to be a seasonal disease in Europe, but today outbreaks are recorded throughout the year.
In addition, WHO has regularly documented cases of cross-species transmission of highly pathogenic avian influenza, in which an infectious process develops and whose mortality rate in humans is up to 50 percent. This year alone, four such cases have been reported in Chile, Cambodia and China.

The hegemon must be destroyed IMO.
Perhaps RFKjr can speak out persistently on his concerns quoted above.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 11:06 utc | 276

https://tanks-alot.co.uk/military-vehicles-for-sale/
Any of the military strategists hogging the threads can find essential product here

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 8 2023 11:10 utc | 277

John Kennard #275
Thank you and with any luck we will soon see a Russian commander repeating the celebration address in Maidan Nezalezhnosti, Kiev or perhaps Rynok Square, Lvov.
If Odessa is liberated earlier then that spectacle of a victory speech in Hretska Ploshcha will be legendary.
Happy victory day all.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 11:15 utc | 278

Correct is mention of biology, sustainabity, survival. False is the impled notion a benign elite. Much more realistic is for the elite to exterminate the bottom 99% and thereby ensure their personal survival as well as that is the species, since 1% remaining is still 80 million, which is plenty of genetic diversity. But why should the elite of the USA preserve the elite of Russia or vice-versa? No reason. The elites can mutually agree to exterminate the lower useless eaters under their control, and thus reduce pressures on the environment, but they keep the valuable workers/soldiers to defend against the other elites. Distinction between useless eater and valuable worker/soldier depends on technology, of course. Long ago, most people were of some use to the elite. With robotics, only a few will be if use.
Pyramid social structures and constant ruthless warfare is the only truly sustainable organization of humanity, precisely because we are biological creatures. Attempts to create a better organization, and especially egalitarian organizations, are all attempts to escape biology, and this doomed to fail in the long run. USSR a fine example of this.
Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 10:58 utc | 276

Did you miss the part about suppressing intra-species competition?
There will be no elite that reproduces itself.
BTW, the USSR was quite close to that in its glory days — that is what the purges were meant to achieve in large part. Prevent the hereditary reproduction of the nascent elite composed of the old Bolsheviks, and replace them with young and hungry people from the bottom. Look at the biographies of the top scientists, artists, politicians, etc. It’s all “born in a poor peasant/worker family, got free education, rose through the ranks”. But then they stopped doing it after Khrushchev, the subject of hereditary transfer of power and privileges came up again, and we saw what happened eventually.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 11:15 utc | 279

There are elements in the global elite that would prefer a third alternative, which is to reduce the human population to be more in line with the Earth’s carrying capacity. So less than 1.5B but likely more in the 100-500m range.
Posted by: Pudding | May 8 2023 11:00 utc | 277

Yes, such a reduction has to happen, and the elites exterminating everyone else except for whatever the carrying capacity is happens to be, if you are to analyze the situation objectively and with emotions, the preferable option compared to the alternative of total extinction.
But that will not be a long term solution, because then carrying capacity will be exceeded again without fundamental changes in the system, and if the pattern has been established that this is how you solve the problem (i.e. the Rwanda solution), nothing good awaits the species in the long-term future.
The proper solution is to impose a moratorium on births except for a small number annually (5-10 million globally) to be distributed by lottery combined with serious restrictions on consumption. The global footprint will be reduced to sustainable levels in about a century without having to exterminate anyone.
There is absolutely no chance of that happening though, we are driving full speed towards the cliff.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 11:21 utc | 280

Shaddow banned @282
Since were speculating on population numbers—- start at th top and work down, less war and much smaller carbon footprint.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 11:29 utc | 281

Simplicius cites Ukraine military to dismiss Sirovikin and Pregozhin arms settlement.
This report commences with an exhaustive reliance on Ukraine sources as some reliable basis for rebuttal but I urge barflies to press on past all that shite and get to a tight analysis of Prigozhin’s detailed statement of artillery need and allocation methodology in battle.
It is a worthwhile read.

Lastly and most interestingly, Prigozhin states something which appears to answer a question I had last time, in that he believes that Russia currently produces enough shells to fully arm everyone as needed, and as such the ‘shell hunger’ induced is ‘artificial’:
38. The Russian military industry has reached the level of projectile production sufficient to fully support about 5 such combat-ready formations as the Wagner PMC, with a front length of 120-150 km and a simultaneous offensive along all sectors of the front.
39. The volume of weapons and ammunition stocks allows us to provide for everyone, including in standard quantities.
This is an interesting admission, seeing as how he states that Wagner fires 6000 shells per day. So if he’s saying that Russia’s current production is already at a level of being able to support five such Wagner groups simultaneously, this appears to imply that, in his opinion, Russia is currently manufacturing upwards of 6k x 5 = 30,000 shells per day, which would be 900,000 per month, and 10.8 million per year. This is a little hard to believe, although my previous estimates given in a past report were that Russia currently produces maybe in the 300-400k per month range at the most, with long term ramp ups ongoing and that they would eventually be able to possibly hit 7+ million per year, which is ~600k per month, and 20k per day.
Prigozhin appears to believe they’re way ahead of schedule with that, at least insofar as I understand his implications.
Anyway, onto the next…

It certainly illustrates that if Ukraine chickens out from its offensive then it may well be because they realise there will be endless shelling up to the northern hemisphere summer equinox. And beyond.
Barflies with an interest in Ukraine’s liberation might find it interesting after they have stepped through all the troll turds on the floor.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 11:38 utc | 282

Revelo @ 268
You are thinking of Sarah (Michael) Ashton Cirillo. I’d forgotten that one. Your thesis is far-fetched. But not impossible. Lots of far-fetched narratives in process.
I had expected the Cirillo to just disappear after 15 minutes of fame. It is still apparently quite active.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 8 2023 11:43 utc | 283

@ uncle tungsten, §260:
e.g. Sara Wagenknecht and Christine Anderson.

Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 12:03 utc | 284

@ uncle tungsten, §261:
This Marieluis Brinkmann should be publicly outed as an enemy of free speech, the rule of law and German civilization.
She represents the fearful, uncritical kowtowing to authority that gave us corona, the Ukraine war, climate doom and even the Third Reich itself.
Let us hope she is quickly removed from office and debarred from office in future.

Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 12:09 utc | 285

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 8 2023 11:15 utc | 281
>Did you miss the part about suppressing intra-species competition?
I said there were false conclusions. This is one of those.
>There will be no elite that reproduces itself.
All long-lived societies are oligarchies and the reproduce fine provided there is mechanism to purge worthless sons and replace with quality young men from the lower tiers (daughters of the elite are seldom truly worthless, other than in genetic sense, if kept under sexual control). Think mixed military/merchant oligarchies of Venice and Britain, both of which lasted far longer than your precious USSR.
Reason USSR degenerated starting around 1960 was the precisely because it was running against biology. Mixed military/merchant oligarchies (one son goes into government, another into business) satisfy natural tendencies of the elite to want to preserve position in social hierarchy, while still forcing competition. Yes, rich son that goes into government may be incompetent, but the merchant son must compete and he knows that an incompetent military/government is a threat to him, so he will step in to prevent the incompetent brother from screwing things up.
USA, modern Russia and modern China (as well ad Britain) all have this mixed military/merchant structure. In the USA, smartest son of the elite traditionally goes into business (Wall Street), less competent son into CIA/Foreign Service or non-profit “charitable” organizations, black sheep sons go wherever (trust fund babies). Daughters of the elite often married to rising sons of the non-elite. This is a very stable semi-meritocratic oligarchy. Occasionally corruption sets in but the competent sons and sons-in-law are there to set things right eventually.

Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 12:13 utc | 286

@ Peter AU1

‘FiveEyes’ for sure.

Posted by: Per Terram | May 8 2023 12:26 utc | 287

Posted by: Revelo | May 8 2023 12:13 utc | 288
why is the us in free fall then. “meritocratic” my ass.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 8 2023 12:32 utc | 288

240.
Russians know what they’re fighting for. What will your Maerican expeditionary force be fighting for? The almighty dollar? Hegemony?
Good luck with that.
You seem completely unaware of the common theme of complete loss of faith after exposure to the horrors of war, and when caught out by that lack of knowledge you pivot widely..anything to try to frame Russia in negative light. I think many of us find it tedious, and sort of juvenile.
Russia is doing a fine job dismantling the dollar..which I will again point out is the main strategy here. How’s them banks? I don’t see the dipshits in the West taking steps to counter this because they don’t give a fuck about their ordinary citizens, and would require backstepping on sanctions. On the contrary I see the EU is now going to sanction China.
These people are pants on head retarded and are showing the world who their true master is.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 8 2023 12:35 utc | 289

Revelo @ 287
A flaw in that system—-
Psyopaths rise to the top and worse still breed ever more powerfull psychopaths.
Present day western unipolar degenerates, a classic example of.
Flaw, being an understatement of the century.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 8 2023 12:40 utc | 290

> millimeter-range measurements of the Earth-moon distance, using the mirrors installed on that mission
Unmanned/remote technology led the space race. Faking manned missions is easy enough. There’s really no way for me to prove or disprove to myself what happened, except that in my lifetime I’ve observed the West operate and “succeed” through overwhelming reliance on Big Lies. Indeed, the more important the issue, the more likely they lie. So, in the case of *finally* “beating” the USSR in some contest in space, I would bet more money that they lied.
Of less importance, I’ve read sufficient laser light bounces off the moon surface anyway. But, it really doesn’t matter, because they could’ve been dropped there by unmanned probes.
It’s amazing how one face-off in Ukraine is reviving so many inquiries into old wound and lies. The “end of history” will have a sequel. This time, I hope it’s better than the first.

Posted by: bullsh | May 8 2023 12:46 utc | 291

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 8 2023 12:35 utc | 292
A reply should include the time, if just the number is used and some posts are deleted (often happens) then your reply will no longer point to the right person.
Use of the time shows a deletion.

Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 8 2023 12:50 utc | 292

Mark2 | May 8 2023 8:41 utc | 225
Back at yah m8! yeah. It’s the best bar in town. 🍻
Down South | May 8 2023 9:10 utc | 234
Russia has:
>tanks (x000s)
>MLRS
>3k heavy equipment
>T-90 tanks
>700 aircraft
>500k soldiers
But shovels?
I don’t see shovels on that list. Where’s Zanon… Russia, “always one step behind”. How can Russia be taken seriously with such an obvious deficiency in shovels.
uncle tungsten | May 8 2023 9:33 utc | 246
Putin’s friendship with Kissinger?
A case of “friends close/ enemies even closer??

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 12:58 utc | 293

Posted by: bullsh | May 8 2023 12:46 utc | 294
uh, why would what you could prove to yourself be the standard. that way lies idiocy. do you believe Antarctica exists? do you believe people have climbed Mt Everest? both could be hoaxes by that standard.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 8 2023 13:11 utc | 294

Sarah [michael] Ashton Cirillo.
Celebrates Gonzalo’s arrest.
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1655016168045051906
S/he brought down fake Ukraine merc James Vasquez.
So has more clout than “just a blogger”

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 8 2023 13:16 utc | 295

I wonder if Russia/China might have an open dialog on what a diplomatic solution might look like – in Ukraine’s absence. This might help might help the general public to understand what is in dispute. I suspect that at this point, Russia is not going to use Ukraine to settle all the issues with NATO or will they.

Posted by: jared | May 8 2023 13:35 utc | 296

@ Doctor Eleven, §292:
Well said, Doc.
The Americans and their EU slaves are, of course, fighting for universal tranniedom.
And stopping the climate ever changing . . .

Posted by: John Marks | May 8 2023 13:56 utc | 297

@ bullsh | May 8 2023 12:46 utc | 294
@ pretzelattack | May 8 2023 13:11 utc | 297
I’ve brooded over this a bit.
The primitive fallacy here seems to be the consideration of fact out of context, producing false ambiguity.
See the flat-earthers.
I don’t know what formal fallacy this might fall under; perhaps slothful induction?
It can be used to produce such apparent epistemic lacunae to be filled with cherry-picked facts likewise isolated to support a desired conclusion.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 8 2023 14:24 utc | 298

https://amgreatness.com/2023/05/06/american-despotism/
An unthinkable article five years ago, whatever your take on US, and proof that the last two years has strengthened the feelings of deep suspicion about the direction the country is headed. The failure of the West’s direct intervention in Ukraine will only accelerate this feeling of national malaise and institutional disassociation.

Posted by: Milites | May 8 2023 14:38 utc | 299

Does the war in Ukraine suggest a wonderful possibility towards peace? It seems to me that non aggression treaties or neutrality pacts have never been more practical than now. To the extent that this war has stalemated, Blitzkreig might be obsolete. There are satellites, drones, remote sensing, and the internet to expose what everyone is doing – and that didn’t exist back in the Ribbentrop-Molotov days. Of course, Neo Cons will hate this…..

Posted by: Eighthman | May 8 2023 14:39 utc | 300