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May 5, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-107

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Posted by: Exile | May 6 2023 10:17 utc | 288
Consistent rumours say these rumors are not true.
Otherwise you have any links to back this up? One one thing that can be tracked is the comment “Early on Israel sent a couple of MASH style units to the Ukraine” They sent one, it was planned to operate for a month, it ended up operating for 6 weeks. Long gone back to Israel.

Posted by: Response2 | May 6 2023 11:17 utc | 301

Posted by: grunzt | May 6 2023 10:57 utc | 301
There are always many kinds of traitors.
It doesnt mean they win.
Valor could prevail over treason.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 11:18 utc | 302

I tend to believe that both sides – NATO as well as Russia – are waiting for the other to make the fatal mistake of concentrating some massive amount of troops for an assault.
To be wiped out by air-missile-drone strike…
Or may be its just what they fear.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 11:28 utc | 303

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 11:07 utc | 304
Lots of “why”s in your post, along with a seasoning of un-backed assertions.
Why are you in such a desperate hurry?

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 6 2023 11:38 utc | 304

Posted by: grunzt | May 6 2023 10:57 utc | 301

I know I’m like a broken record on this, but people in the West still don’t understand why and how exactly the Cold War ended.
And that includes even the anti-imperialists. Those consist mostly of two groups — a libertarian right and a Trotskyist left, and both of them have their reasons to swallow line hook and sinker the official narrative that is presented to everyone else, namely that the USSR collapsed because it was an unworkable system that history has now firmly rejected.
The libertarians like that idea because they dream of a small state, completely unregulated markets, etc. And obviously the USSR is a mortal enemy of that ideology.
The Trotskyists (and I use this term loosely — most of them don’t identify themselves as such because they have no knowledge of that history) hate the USSR because it was built by Stalin, and Trotskyists and Stalinists hate each other. Also, in later decades communist countries went in a conservative nationalist direction on cultural issues, which is unacceptable for Trotskyists too.
So we have the mainstream narrative converging with the disparate motivations of the “alternative” fringe in creating a huge blind spot, and everyone is thinking the USSR collapsed because it just had to collapse as it was a fundamentally broken system.
Nothing of the sort — if there had been a will, there would still be a USSR. It’s a long topic, but it could not only have been saved, but it would have thrived and been light years ahead of the West if the correct decisions had been taken, especially in the 1960s. You see what China looks like now.
In reality what happened was that the grandest act of treason and betrayal in human history was committed — a certain layer of the late Soviet elites made a deal with the West to surrender without a fight and hand over the USSR’s resources in exchange for a percentage on the rent extraction flow that would allow them to then live in unimaginable under communism luxury. That’s the essence of the whole story.
But again, that isn’t understood in the West, including in the anti-imperialist circles.
It is well understood in Russia though, and this is why there is so much pessimism — because that scum has been in power ever since, it has not been cleansed and purged at all, and everything about the last 14 months smells very strongly of another such betrayal.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 11:43 utc | 305

New Ukrainian terrosrist hit with carbomb! On Saturday noon local time near Nizhny Novgorod bomb in the car of probably the most significant modern Russian literator, member of Russian Duma and avid supporter of Donbass, Viktor Prilepin, exploded wounding him seriously and killing his driver. Viktor’s daughter stepped from the car just minutes ago. Ashat group supporting Ukraine has taken resposibility for the terroirist hit. Russia officially blames Ukraine and UK & USA ”that have made Ukraine a terrorist state”. Russian police has already arrested a suspect. Some Ukrainan sources claim that Zelensky’s Admistarion of Presidenr has decided to murder in great numbers VIPs in Russia on the eve of the Ukrainian counteroffssive. I take this a sign of desperation in Kiev, Washington and London. Russia will probably react to this calmly in orden not to give to the West any excuse to escalate the conflict by dirct NATO involment by boots on the ground. The guilty ones can be punished later. Everything on the front is proceeding favorably to Russia and catastrophicall to Ukraine.

Posted by: Tsepajev | May 6 2023 11:44 utc | 306

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 11:43 utc | 311
I don’t agree with you on a lot of things, but I agree that Gorbachev and Yeltsin sold out the USSR, and Putin was Yeltsin’s loyal servant at first. My understanding is he changed, and pushed back against the Western oriented oligarchs. otoh i’m no expert on Russia. but it seems to me like Russia is clearly winning the war, while walking a tightrope to avoid world war 3.
“– a certain layer of the late Soviet elites made a deal with the West to surrender without a fight and hand over the USSR’s resources in exchange for a percentage on the rent extraction flow that would allow them to then live in unimaginable under communism luxury. That’s the essence of the whole story.”
this is a good synopsis, and this betrayal paved the way for the US to go on a 30 year rampage.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:07 utc | 307

The typical bullshit: “russia will lose because of internal traitors”, “Wagner has no ammo and will withdraw”, “BRICS will betray Russia”
For the love of good please send new paid deep state trolls or ask for a new script from your masters. Its laughable.

Posted by: Rabbit | May 6 2023 12:08 utc | 308

So many obvious paid trolls in this thread slinging shit at Lira like caged gibbons. These ones seem more like State Department trolls herded by fake NGOs rather than the SOCOM MISO trolls, but I could be wrong. In either case, this volume of trolling indicates the situation with Lira is serious and has the attention of the Empire of Delusions higher level operators that have resources for large scale trolling.
If the trolls are SOCOM then perhaps Lira was just snatched to keep him out of the picture while the Ukraine’s offensive gets under way. He’ll likely be back then sometime after the dust settles.
If the trolls are tools of the CIA/State Department, then we may never see Lira again. That crowd is literally a gang of psychopathic murderers. Absolute lowest scum of the Earth, like an entire organization of Jeffrey Dahmer types.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 6 2023 12:11 utc | 309

According to its own information, the Ukrainian Air Force has succeeded in shooting down a Russian Kinschal hypersonic missile. “I congratulate the Ukrainian people on a historic event!” wrote Ukrainian Air Force Chief Mykola Oleshchuk on his Telegram channel. The Kinschal, which Moscow has repeatedly touted as one of the best missiles ever, was intercepted over the Kiev region Thursday night with the help of the U.S. Patriot defense system, he said.
Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article245163070/Ukraine-News-Kiew-meldet-Abschuss-von-Hyperschallrakete-Kinschal.html

Posted by: Qassam | May 6 2023 12:11 utc | 310

It is well understood in Russia though, and this is why there is so much pessimism — because that scum has been in power ever since, it has not been cleansed and purged at all, and everything about the last 14 months smells very strongly of another such betrayal.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 11:43 utc | 311
this though, seems way exaggerated. Russia isn’t at all like it was in the 90’s, and that’s because the traitors don’t have the power they used to. and if they ran things the way you say, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine, but just meekly acquiesced to its eventual encirclement and dismemberment.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:13 utc | 311

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 11:28 utc | 309
I don’t think Russia is just waiting, it is wiping out whatever iteration of the Ukrainian Army exists today, bleeding NATO, and watching western economies collapse due to the sanctions they imposed.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:18 utc | 312

this though, seems way exaggerated. Russia isn’t at all like it was in the 90’s, and that’s because the traitors don’t have the power they used to. and if they ran things the way you say, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine, but just meekly acquiesced to its eventual encirclement and dismemberment.
Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:13 utc | 317

Remember how a couple days after the invasion started Putin gathered the oligarchs and told them “Everything that is happening now is desperate measures. They left us no choice, they have created security risks that are unacceptable”.
And then immediately he added “But that does not mean we will isolate ourselves from the world and stop doing business”, etc.
That scene was hugely important in retrospect.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 12:23 utc | 313

Lancet 3-M anhiliates a Strella. Pretty sure this is Zapo as well. Athough that lone soldier should have run.
https://twitter.com/GammonBadge/status/1654787254399692800
Breaking news – US is intending to bring more Hawk air defense systems to fill the technological gap left behind by those pesky Russian air defense systems.

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 12:31 utc | 314

It is well understood in Russia though, and this is why there is so much pessimism — because that scum has been in power ever since, it has not been cleansed and purged at all, and everything about the last 14 months smells very strongly of another such betrayal.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 11:43 utc | 311
@ Pretzelattack yes ditto.
So why is Russia even fighting? Why not just break it into saleable parts and get their $$$ and be done with it? Certainly their cohorts in the West would have made it very much worth their while. But that didn’t happen.
I’d like to hear your reasoning why they are betraying Russia and fighting for Russia all at the same time when they could have just competed the process 20 years ago with Yeltsin.
I do get the pessimism though, anyone who has suffered trauma would feel the same.

Posted by: K | May 6 2023 12:31 utc | 315

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 12:23 utc | 319
do you have a link for this? and why would he resist at all if he were merely an agent of the west. my understanding is he had a great deal to do with transforming Russia from the wild west of the 90’s–why would he do that if he were a western agent? why would China trust him, to the extent that it does, if he were merely an agent of the west which has China next in the crosshairs?

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:32 utc | 316

@ Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:18 utc | 318
There is more to it than what you list.
I’m convinced US Special Ops will be joining in the fray very soon, and probably positioned to do so right now.
The latest US weapons package indicates this, but very few understand the relevance of what each weapon represents.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 6 2023 12:34 utc | 317

https://www-thepioneer-de.translate.goog/originals/thepioneer-briefing-business-class-edition/articles/amerika-weltordnung-a-la-carte?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true
This is an interesting read, considering the author is one of your typical neolib stooges…

Posted by: toxique.negresse | May 6 2023 12:37 utc | 318

Do Trolls get benefits? Vacation time and health insurance?
Perhaps Trolls freelance? How does it work?

Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | May 6 2023 12:41 utc | 319

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 6 2023 12:34 utc | 323 ‘The latest US weapons package indicates this, but very few understand the relevance of what each weapon represents.”
Care to expand on what you mean?

Posted by: Response2 | May 6 2023 12:43 utc | 320

light years ahead of the West if the correct decisions had been taken, especially in the 1960s. You see what China looks like now.
Not really. You might say that GDR collapsed in 1990 around the time Deng was changing policy in China – compare and contrast China with former GDR under West German management !
China has a sea coast and had Hong Kong and New Territories where UK had let a business culture thrive – it had export ports. ALL Chinese wealth is concentrated in its coastal regions
USSR had no real coastal ports for exports.
USSR offered Akio Morita cheap labour to produce SONY products in Soviet factories – he declined. Outside Mil-Spec USSR quality was pitiful especially in consumer goods.
The areas of USSR best suited to technically advanced optics and electronics were Ukraine and Baltic States which is why USSR produced there and in GDR at Carl Zeiss Jena.
Dreamers like you are big on drama but weak on detail

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 6 2023 12:49 utc | 321

do you have a link for this? and why would he resist at all if he were merely an agent of the west. my understanding is he had a great deal to do with transforming Russia from the wild west of the 90’s–why would he do that if he were a western agent? why would China trust him, to the extent that it does, if he were merely an agent of the west which has China next in the crosshairs?
Posted by: pretzelattack | May 6 2023 12:32 utc | 322

Here:
https://youtu.be/i8kkeztq70c?t=12
Putin is one person, and he is simply balancing between competing interest. He is not a dictator (even Stalin wasn’t really one and was always in danger of falling victim to a coup). Roughly it splits like this:
1) Extractive industries — pro-Western
2) Bankers — pro-Western
3) the MIC and the siloviki — patriotic, but with some western intelligence penetration in some of the agencies
4) local civilians industries — patriotic
On some issues one side prevails, on others the other.

So why is Russia even fighting? Why not just break it into saleable parts and get their $$$ and be done with it? Certainly their cohorts in the West would have made it very much worth their while. But that didn’t happen.
I’d like to hear your reasoning why they are betraying Russia and fighting for Russia all at the same time when they could have just competed the process 20 years ago with Yeltsin.
I do get the pessimism though, anyone who has suffered trauma would feel the same.
Posted by: K | May 6 2023 12:31 utc | 321

See above. There is a strong patriotic faction, but it has not won the internal war.
Also, and that is very important, the reason why Russia started resisting after Putin became president is that even the extractive industries, while pro-Western, weren’t satisfied with their cut of the loot. And not just that — the original deal from the 1970s and 1980s was made with the understanding on the Russian side that they would be accepted as equal members of the world’s elite. But in fact they weren’t accepted — their money was welcome, but they themselves were always seen as second-class elites. And again, both sides got greedier than what the loot could support in terms of demands on it.
It’s nothing new — vassals have rebelled against their feudal lords because they weren’t satisfied with the terms of their mutual arrangements for many centuries. But vassals and their lords have always been in full agreement that the peasants should be totally suppressed, and that the system should be preserved.
Same thing here — the way things were 15-20 years ago was ideal for them, and that is what those sabotaging the SMO are dreaming about returning to. That ship has sailed though…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 12:58 utc | 322

@ Posted by: Response2 | May 6 2023 12:43 utc | 326
Look at the list. What is new?
How is it used? Which launch systems use it?
Who controls those launch systems?
Also another overheard conversation from several months ago, which I won’t repeat here. But now I have better confirmation by simply paying attention to mundane items in press releases.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 6 2023 13:01 utc | 323

BroncoBilly | May 6 2023 12:34 utc | 323
You must be the only person on this thread who doesn’t realise that US Special Ops have been running this shitshow since 2014 or earlier.
The public in the West think its a Ukraine thing and the evil Russians want there old empire back. The Russians see constant provocation designed to pull them into a war that they are expected to lose but be blamed for nevertheless.They realised this at least 10 years ago and they are not interested in losing. The worst for them is a scoreless draw but they are going for a win.

Posted by: ZimZum | May 6 2023 13:01 utc | 324

There are exceptinal Russians, with fine sensitivies and humanity, but alas this type NEVER ends up in power in Russia.
They don’t end up in power in America either.

Posted by: Fred777 | May 6 2023 13:20 utc | 325

Ramsey Glissadevil @325:

Do Trolls get benefits? Vacation time and health insurance?
Perhaps Trolls freelance? How does it work?

Trollmasters for SOCOM get a six figure salary and full benefits. It is quite the cushy job.
The State Department trollmasters don’t tend to work directly for the State Department, but rather for fake NGOs that the State Department creates as fronts for its work. As such it tends to be more hit-or-miss how lucrative it is to run a stable of trolls for them. The higher the profile of the fake NGO, the better the remuneration, obviously.
The trolls themselves, on the other hand, get crappy pay and no benefits, which is a travesty considering how much cash is being splashed around for these disinformation campaigns. The trolls are considered “contractors”, like Uber drivers or pizza delivery guys. They get an app for their smartphones through which the trollmasters can send them trolling targets and thereby coordinate a “stable” of trolls. They are paid by the post, plus by the level of engagement from the trollery targets.
The trolls are also sent sample posts and bulleted lists of trolling points that they are supposed to modify and paraphrase before posting, but they are usually pretty lazy about that (most are Millennials or Gen Z after all… no work ethic or pride in workmanship) and so you get a bunch of trolls posting nearly the same thing all the time.
If you happen to have actual marketable skills, I would recommend staying away from the trolling industry unless you can land a trollmaster position for the Pentagon – good pay! But you need security clearances and all that comes of working for the military. Trolling itself, though, is just piecework for the skill-less, borderline lumpenproletariat types who lack the self-discipline for a real job. It is something Uber drivers do between giving rides or delivering Chinese take-out.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 6 2023 13:21 utc | 326

Not really. You might say that GDR collapsed in 1990 around the time Deng was changing policy in China – compare and contrast China with former GDR under West German management !
China has a sea coast and had Hong Kong and New Territories where UK had let a business culture thrive – it had export ports. ALL Chinese wealth is concentrated in its coastal regions
USSR had no real coastal ports for exports.
USSR offered Akio Morita cheap labour to produce SONY products in Soviet factories – he declined. Outside Mil-Spec USSR quality was pitiful especially in consumer goods.
The areas of USSR best suited to technically advanced optics and electronics were Ukraine and Baltic States which is why USSR produced there and in GDR at Carl Zeiss Jena.
Dreamers like you are big on drama but weak on detail
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 6 2023 12:49 utc | 327

Not at all. We are not talking about business — the whole point of the USSR was to move away from the “business” mentality — and definitely not about exports.
An entirely separate autarkic system had to be created.
If humanity is to survive in the long run, everyone who talks about business must as quickly as possible have their head and body separated from each other and buried in shallow unmarked graves, and everyone who ever talks about “business” again needs to be immediately lined up and shot. There is no viable future that is not based on careful material balancing of physical resources that ensures there is no growth in their use, and in which the ideas of “profit” and “interest” do not become heresies punishable by death. The alternative is extinction for the species and much of life on the planet.
The point is that the USSR refused to pursue the tech that would have allowed independent development along a different trajectory. Computer tech is key indeed, but not so much as a consumer item. And a lot of opportunities were missed.
Disastrous decisions were taken in the late 1950s and the 1960s.
First, not to pursue OGAS, which would have developed an internal Soviet internet before the Western version, and, critically, would have solved the real-time material balance problem (early on central planners had to plan for a few hundred items, but that eventually grew to complexity two orders of magnitude higher, which they couldn’t handle; a problem that was foreseen — there were people there who were not dummies and knew what had to be done — and OGAS would have been the solution). OGAS, in simplest terms, would have been much like what Amazon uses today to manage its logistics, but coming half a century earlier. The problem is that would have taken away the power of the bureaucrats so they blocked it.
Second, the decision was made to not pursue indigenous chip designs but to copy the Western ones. That ensured that they would always be half a decade behind. They were not as far behind initially, especially in theoretical work, and it’s not as if they didn’t have the brains to work on their own tech. Look up the early literature on machine learning, a lot of it is Soviet, and the first examples of what we now call deep learning were also Soviet.
Third, the Sino-Soviet split put them in permanent disadvantage. Circa 1965 it could have been 1.1-1.2 billion Chinese + Soviets + the rest of the communist countries in a single consolidated area of exchange of technology and ideas versus ~800 million in the West. After the Sino-Soviet split, the Eastern bloc was left with less than 400M people, vastly outnumbered by the West, while now having to spend double on the military to guard the eastern borders too.
What happened instead was the in the 1960s resource exports to the West started, which set the process of deep corruption of the system in motion. Why invest in local computer tech if you can just sell oil and buy them ready made?

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 13:23 utc | 327

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 6 2023 11:38 utc | 310
The question you should be asking is; why are you such a sucker for Russian propaganda?

Posted by: Longhorn | May 6 2023 13:24 utc | 328

Weeb Union 1 hour ago
Wagner Teams Up With Kadyrov To Take Bakhmut Before Victory Day | Full Front Update 06/05/23 6 mins
Shades of Dresden last night in The Citadel … horrendous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJf_fZjZxSI

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 6 2023 13:31 utc | 329

ZimZum @330
Well yeah but why wouldn’t the Russians want their old empire back if they have the means to do so.
From all the photos it apears to even the most casual reader their well on their way.
Right or wrong we Americans are very aware of this reality.

Posted by: John2007 | May 6 2023 13:31 utc | 330

@William Gruff #332
It’s quite apparent they are paying peanuts, judging by the banal performance of the monkey trolls.

Posted by: BillB | May 6 2023 13:43 utc | 331

Well yeah but why wouldn’t the Russians want their old empire back if they have the means to do so.
Posted by: John2007 | May 6 2023 13:31 utc | 336

Ukraine isn’t even part of the “old empire”.
That’s Central Asia (but minus Norther Kazakhstan, which was Russian), Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, and Moldova. Those were conquered in the 19th century, some areas as late as 1895.
In contrast, Ukraine (minus Galicia) is core historic Russian territory since the early Middle Ages

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 13:47 utc | 332

There is no way Ukraine shot down a Kinzhal with a Patriot AD system.
More pure lies and bluster to cover their failures. I suppose when the population has been abused this extensively what’s a little more. After the utter embarrassment of having one of your own drones hacked and having to shoot it down over their own capital ciry they’ll say anything to change the subject.
I remain stupified by the complete fucking idiocy of Western strategists.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 6 2023 13:51 utc | 333

John2007@336
The Russians never did have an empire. The Tsars did and Russians were part of it. Nor were they the best treated part- serfdom persisted in Russia long after it had been dropped in other parts of the empire.
The case of the Soviet Union was similar-which is one reason why the Ukraine is claiming swaths of New Russia and Crimea as its own.
The largest remaining empire is probably the liberal empire of the United States where nobody thinks of all that stolen land and the millions of disfranchised subjects as being ruled by a collective Tsar a great deal uglier than the worst Romanov.
Like the flag waving idiots on Coronation day in the UK they feel that they are part of the animal which is digesting them.

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2023 13:56 utc | 334

everyone who talks about business must as quickly as possible have their head and body separated from each other and buried in shallow unmarked graves, and everyone who ever talks about “business” again needs to be immediately lined up and shot.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 13:23 utc | 333

Enviroloons and ecofascists – always looking to reduce population by one method or another.

Posted by: GT Stroller | May 6 2023 14:01 utc | 335

Shooting down a Kinzhal with a Patriot AD is so disastrous lame propaganda. Its not even funny anymore.

Posted by: Rabbit | May 6 2023 14:06 utc | 336

Fantastic:

The list of front-line settlements in the Zaporizhia region that fell under partial evacuation will be expanded — RIA Novosti

Expanded to what?
It already covered the whole front yesterday.
Melitopol is next?

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 14:09 utc | 337

I wonder if the Russians are going to burn Ugledar next…

Posted by: Wokechoke | May 6 2023 14:11 utc | 338

The Dolphin | May 6 2023 10:51 utc | 300
The cook is cranking something. I suspect Russian mindset. Along with drawing in Nato for some lessons in military tech type stuff. It is becoming obvious that Russia will have barbarians at its gates into the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 14:14 utc | 339

The thing with the supposed Kinzhal shotdown was that they claimed it once, then their spokesman Jury Ignat denied it, then the next day again they claimed it was true after all. The final straw was when they showed a supposed picture of the missile where you could see through a hole inside – nothing inside and the wall was at least inch thick concrete.

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 14:19 utc | 340

reply to 339
It could be worse. You know the Russians were pulling chips out of appliances to support their missiles. Or that Ghost of Kiev guy. Or the US could have a Presidential race between two elderly men who have mental problems, touch women inappropriately, lie persistently, and make awful public gaffes. And then they might demand a rematch of the two.
I wonder what happened to the world I live in?

Posted by: Eighthman | May 6 2023 14:23 utc | 341

If you follow primary Russian sources you can see a shifting mood. Not long ago the dooming was all from the “turbopatriots” but as of late it has begun to infect much more mainstream and staid/rational (as opposed to emotional) commentators. To what degree the dooming is correct and appropriate is hard to determine, but it’s real and growing.
Putin, in his traditionally cautious way, seems to be trying to balance everything: to advance in the geopolitical field, fight in Ukraine and keep life for ordinary Russians as normal as possible. It’s understandable but the art of balancing all this may become precarious. In some ways he faces the same negative potentials as Zelensky. If he orders a broad offensive and it fails there’s a high risk of second order problems from it.
IMO, he’s waiting because Kiev has more pressure to move first. But the waiting while Kiev lands effectively pin prick strikes creates downsides too. Theoretically this builds public support for accepting the costs of a major offensive, but the doomers and turbopatriots are fickle. They demand to crush Kiev but rest assured that any setback within that will be “evidence” of all that’s wrong.

Posted by: Lex | May 6 2023 14:28 utc | 342

Re:Shadowbanned:
“What happened instead was the in the 1960s resource exports to the West started, which set the process of deep corruption of the system in motion. Why invest in local computer tech if you can just sell oil and buy them ready made?”
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 13:23 utc | 333
You really like raking over past mistakes as if there is some gain in it. I could go on for eons about the USA from 1960-2022, pointing out corruption, corporate oligarchy gutting our manufacturing, allowing foreign nations all over the world access to our technology, unlike Russia, the US doesn’t make a dang thing anymore.
You can say all you want, ALL NATIONS from 1960-2022 that globalized, then neoliberalized their economies betrayed their citizens & sovereignty. Quit acting like Russia is some unique oligarchy corrupt to the core.
Putin paid off the over 100 billion of IMF years of Yelstin et el, the Russian “debt” is laughable & the GDP to debt ratio is at best 37% vs US that stands at 34 trillion & ratio of 112% currently, which the majority of nations are over the 100% mark.
The true legacy of a national leader is the debt he leaves his country with. Because it is debt that determines national sovereignty or not. Debt & military might are the nation’s survival as a sovereign nation. Putin has secured both in his tenure. And scrapping over the last 70 years is a waste.

Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2023 14:36 utc | 343

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 13:23 utc | 333

Very rare discussion of the real internal configuration of the interests within Russia. I only disagree on one aspect with the author. And that is that in order to survive as an independent geopolitical civilizational entity, it was essential for Russia to integrate the Western Europe into its own space. The last 100 years of European wars were in fact the fight over Western Europe between the two major White European superpowers: the Anglo-Saxons and the Russians.
In the light of such an objective, Russia had to be able to open its borders to integration with the “West”. At the peak of its military power in the late 1970s, it was possible to start the integration process. This is presented in The New CommonWealth published in 1997.

Posted by: Dacian | May 6 2023 14:41 utc | 344

Andrew Korybko has an interesting article about the Lira case, he thinks the US government is complicit.
https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2023/05/us-vs-gonzalo-lira/

Posted by: Morongobill | May 6 2023 14:43 utc | 345

I agree with shadowbanned at 311. The USSR didn’t “collapse” of internal rot, it was sold out by greedy bureaucrats who wanted to steal the resources for themselves, instead of using them for the benefit of the people.
I have a facebook friend who immigrated from Russia in the 80s, who translated for Russians and US bankers in the late 80s. She was very young at the time, so she didn’t understand what they were talking about, but she did realize that it was not just a “fishing trip” as she was told. Now she realizes that they were negotiating the destruction of the Soviet Union.
I listen to Scott Ritter talk about the arms control talks and I think that’s how the US got to all those bureaucrats.
They really hyped the danger of nuclear war in the early 80s. There were magazine articles and TV shows and movies and giant anti-nuke protests, which I now realize were Deep State sponsored.
They got the public in an uproar, demanding peace talks, and then the US sent hundreds of representatives to the USSR to negotiate the arms treaty.
Clearly, they negotiated more than that.

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 6 2023 14:44 utc | 346

You can say all you want, ALL NATIONS from 1960-2022 that globalized, then neoliberalized their economies betrayed their citizens & sovereignty. Quit acting like Russia is some unique oligarchy corrupt to the core.

Where did I say Russia is unique in that? Russia was unique in that it was once anti-capitalist, so it hurts much more.

Because it is debt that determines national sovereignty or not
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2023 14:36 utc | 350

Not true. The military is all that matters.
Debt is ultimately backed by the ability of the creditor to apply force to extract payment, and vice versa.
Which is why the US can rack up tens of trillions of debt — it is backed by the might of the US military that ensures nobody dares ask for repayment.
In that context allowing the combined tonnage of Russian megayachts built in the last three decades to exceed many times the combined tonnage of new ships and SSBNs for the navy goes 100% against the interests of the country. And it wasn’t necessary — notice how no Chinese billionaires have megayachts.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 14:48 utc | 347

I also heard that Putin was stationed in St. Petersburg in 1991, and helped put down the uprising there against Yeltsin’s coup.
If so, that would be why the US thought he was their boy, and supported his appointment to replaces Yeltsin.
I think he has repented, though.
I also think there is still corruption in Russia’s MIC and Prigozhin is calling it out. Good for him.
If Putin has really repented he will fire all corrupt generals and cancel the contracts of corrupt corporations. Prigozhin has given him ample cover to do so.
We’ll see.

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 6 2023 14:53 utc | 348

I remain stupified by the complete fucking idiocy of Western strategists.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 6 2023 13:51 utc | 339
But it works for Western public. Ukr may be leveled and msm will say Russia has lost and has no missiles left.
Cleopatra is black (new netflix documentary) and Russian drones are shot down with pickle jars. They really believe it. Do you know a tv show called Big Bang Theory? At first it was relatively funny then really bad. Over the years it aired, US had no working rockets, used Russia to get to space. In that tv show they made fun of Russians, their space program, scientists and other things many times. From tiny parts, it all adds.

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 14:55 utc | 349

The latest from WeebUnion YouTube mapper:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJf_fZjZxSI
From the video it appears that the last keep of the UAF has been removed from the map. The entire thing was hit with thermite or phosphorus bombs and is still burning .
I doubt many could have survived such a thing. Perhaps only if they had tunnels deep underneath it.
This will be over soon. Wagner also completely cut off all roads in. Zelensky probably cost 10-20k men their lives. At a minimum. Would not surprise me if all those bodies got burned beyond recognition last night and they will never be reported as dead, only MIA.

Posted by: Chris | May 6 2023 14:58 utc | 350

Do you know a tv show called Big Bang Theory? At first it was relatively funny then really bad. Over the years it aired, US had no working rockets, used Russia to get to space. In that tv show they made fun of Russians, their space program, scientists and other things many times. From tiny parts, it all adds.
Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 14:55 utc | 357

Indeed. Remember the episode with the Caltech janitor that turned out to have originally been a physicist from Leningrad who emigrated to the US? There may have been such cases in the early 1990s, but certainly not in the 2010s. But the stereotypes persist to this day.
P.S. The US handing the space program to the private sector is a historically monumental disaster. That should never ever have been allowed — space exploration should be a common effort of all of humanity and greed and profiteering should have no place in it. But here we are…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:00 utc | 351

Trisha asks us to speak out to protect the vulnerable. OK, I am doing so.
All the whining about “LBGTQ are in danger” is ridiculous. Watching 6’2″, 230 pound men pretend that women are scaring them is absurd, especially when they sport machetes or axes, to “protect” themselves.
The ones in danger are women and children, as anyone can see if they look at the videos of the Women Speak Out tour, where vicious trans advocates scream at and attack women uppity enough to point out that putting on lipstick does not turn a man into a woman.
Corporations are using men as saleswomen, schools are telling children they might be “born into the wrong body”, men are winning women’s sports scholarships and prancing around women’s locker rooms sporting erections, prisons are putting violent rapists into women’s prisons, teenagers are given powerful cancer drugs off-label to stop their normal growth and development, and Trisha tries to claim victimhood?
Please, bitch!

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 6 2023 15:03 utc | 352

But here is the problem — the difference between an oligarchy and a strong centralized state is that the latter can be decapitated fairly easily while the former is too dispersed. …
And then decapitation does not even have to be physical, you can do it through subterfuge and corruption if there is a single failure point.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 8:49 utc | 270
Mind rules body, smarts outplay muscle. Decapitating a leader doesn’t change the underlying culture though it may well paralyze the current regime in charge. The culture will grow the same sort of thing back in no time. Again and again.
The current culture has gone to extreme materialism which ultimately is a serious spiritual deficit, a pathology infecting the entire Body Politic such that core human values have been suppressed (principally values that value values!) as the over-arching view that life is a mechanical process and we are no more than biological machines now rules. This is the core problem that needs to be resolved. Killing leaders in churches – a very lowbrow idea, I must say! – won’t cut the mustard.
These core values can be recovered but not whilst the materialist mindset rules.
And, frankly speaking, it is not all that clear that Russia and China are entirely free from the spell of the materialist mindset, especially the latter which seems to be into materialism on steroids. It’s incredible what they’ve been pulling off the past half century, but it doesn’t seem to be anything other than a really, really big demonstration of the material advances that can be made following the industrial revolution. They are just the biggest polity who came to the party the latest so are building up with the latest tech. Their regime is clearly still terrified of any spiritual authorities challenging their own which may make sense administratively speaking, but that fear belies a certain level of deception on their own parts in that they know, in their heart of hearts, that they don’t have all the answers and don’t entirely deserve the degree of unchallenged single party authority they have achieved. Russia seems to have more soul generally and Putin for sure projects an extremely strong value system. However, once people start shooting and bombing each other, morality plays second fiddle to the related – and urgently materialist – needs for violence, destruction, mayhem and deception. There are never any winners; all sides lose.
No easy answers.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 6 2023 15:03 utc | 353

Karl, Paco. A lot of information warfare going on at the moment. Best to wait and watch.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 15:06 utc | 354

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 6 2023 13:01 utc | 329
The list for May 3, 2023 is here: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3383288/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
155mm Howitzers;
155mm artillery rounds;
120mm, 81mm, and 60mm mortar rounds;
Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
AT-4 and Carl Gustaf anti-armor weapon systems;
Hydra-70 aircraft rockets;
Small arms and small arms ammunition;
Demolition munitions for obstacle clearing;
Trucks and trailers to transport heavy equipment;
Testing and diagnostic equipment to support vehicle maintenance and repair;
Spare parts and other field equipment.
It does say “includes” not not everything that was sent.
Have you seen a different list?

Posted by: Response2 | May 6 2023 15:06 utc | 355

I only disagree on one aspect with the author. And that is that in order to survive as an independent geopolitical civilizational entity, it was essential for Russia to integrate the Western Europe into its own space. The last 100 years of European wars were in fact the fight over Western Europe between the two major White European superpowers: the Anglo-Saxons and the Russians.
In the light of such an objective, Russia had to be able to open its borders to integration with the “West”. At the peak of its military power in the late 1970s, it was possible to start the integration process. This is presented in The New CommonWealth published in 1997.
Posted by: Dacian | May 6 2023 14:41 utc | 351

There is truth to that — the alternative is to do it with East Asia, but the cultural and civilizational differences run very deep. Russian, German, English, French? All Indo-European languages, the civilization is Christian (despite the schism), racially it’s the same white people, there is a lot in common. The Chinese are aliens in comparison.
But such a project could only have worked if Western Europe was to become communist, and that was not a viable prospect after D-Day.
Otherwise the West would have corroded and collapsed Russia, which is what indeed happened, and it is the job they are trying to finish now.
You can see that they are still clinging onto hopes the Europeans might come to their senses. The war can be finished in a few days by glassing the first ring of countries that serve as logistic bases — Romania, Slovakia and Poland. There is no need for further justification than what has already happened. Ukraine will collapse immediately, and the US is not going to launch in response — nobody wants to die over Romania and Poland. But that will put an end to any integration with Europe…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:09 utc | 356

But such a project could only have worked if Western Europe was to become communist, and that was not a viable prospect after D-Day.
Otherwise the West would have corroded and collapsed Russia, which is what indeed happened, and it is the job they are trying to finish now.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:09 utc | 364
The other possibility is that the West had effected bona fide internal reforms rather than allowing it self to be taken over by commerce and banking. Most traditional societies know that you don’t let the merchants become rulers, leaving that (usually) to either the warrior or priest classes, neither of which are without problems of course which is why monarchies were developed and they too can go pear-shaped as history demonstrates in spades.
But what has been the problem with Russia and the West is not, indeed, cultural but systemic. The West has been ruled by rapacious left-brain psychopaths for far too long. If we can solve that problem, then doubtless Russia and the West can join back together. I was slightly surprised to learn a few months ago that Russia is traditionally regarded as part of Europe. This is accurate, they are. I think the Eurasian Multipolar Dream can only truly work if there is one polity – or whatever it is – going from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Any sort of Cold War bifurcation is a failure, though looks like that’s what we are going to get for a few decades at least at this point given the failure of leadership on all sides.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 6 2023 15:18 utc | 357

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 6 2023 13:31 utc | 335
Did not see your post before reposting the Weeb Union video.
I like this guy because he has a calm delivery and sticks to the current facts on the ground. No speculation about this or that, which may or may not happen.
One thing I noted in his latest is that Prighozhin claimed that 4-500 UAF reinforcements were coming in daily and that matches the daily kill number.
Could be more bluster from Prighozhin, but if true I might suspect that keeping the meat grinder going would decimate the UAF. I am no military historian but I’ve never heard of such a suicidal tactic by an organization. Even the Jihadists had some sense of preservation of manpower; there were those who signed up to become martyrs but not the entire group.
Has anyone heard anything from Syrsky? Perhaps he got incinerated last night.

Posted by: Chris | May 6 2023 15:19 utc | 358

@Paco
Thanks for your updates and comments.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2023 15:20 utc | 359

Posted by: Lex | May 6 2023 14:28 utc | 349
I agree. I think the internal contradictions within the Russian state, where different power centers (warlords?) like Prigozhin and Kadyarov run riot without discipline are finally coming to a head. What was the point of enacting a law (15 year imprisonment!) about statements discrediting the Russian armed forces? Does the latter only apply to the powerless, and is that the case generally with respect to law enforcement in Russia?
Strong and unified central authority in addition to bureaucratic integrity and efficiency is essential in an existential conflict. There is no doubt both institutions were severely undermined after the fall of the Soviet Union and have come a long way in the rehabilitation process since, no doubt due to President Putin’s leadership, but I wonder if that process has proceeded far enough for these governmental institutions to perform effectively in this existential war.

Posted by: Akash | May 6 2023 15:20 utc | 360

It will be interesting to see in this so called “upcoming offensive” if the Russian Army will play this tactically or strategically like they did in Kherson.
While it made sense there to retreat from a tactical point of view (troops could have been stuck on the other side of the river during a potential winter campaign – unable to supply those troops which could be crucial somewhere else and so on, it still gave the Ukrainians something that they brag with it since then (“hope” that they can win). Now, of course hope doesn’t win wars .. but it also somehow gave the impression (the Russian High Command) that they prefer to limit casualties as much as possible for a longer war. Keep in mind that the Soviet Union when they stopped the Germans at Moscow, lost more men than the Germans did until then (they lost most of their Western Army at that point). So of course, you could argue that Ukrainians can cause some upset as well considering the amount of support and ammunition that gets dumped there. Basically the country right now lives on Western support, which means every men could be eligible for military combat instead of working in the state economy.
Now the situation in Zaporizhia is different because it eliminates some of the flaws that Kherson city and they have a fairly large fortification network already done. However, given recent events (planned evacuations of the civilians there) you could argue that they start doing the same steps that they did with Kherson. In a way, it seems that the Ru Army needs to inflict as much pain possible to existing Ukr offensive limiting casualties on their end or retreating to conserve strenght which makes their position quite difficult. I hope, that I am wrong though. While the initial mobilisation seemed to be working without major issues, not sure if other mobilisations would go too smoothly.

Posted by: JamesBond | May 6 2023 15:21 utc | 361

Shaddowbanned – Here, we don’t need to think about the difficulties of attacking the oligarchs. In the US, the most prominent crisis is not the crisis of capitalism but the crisis of the working class, a crisis of political consciousness. We have created a situation that we have not yet consciously acknowledged. We have created conditions whereby the capitalist classes are unable to rule in the old way. It is a political crisis because there is no class conscious response sufficient for a very dangerous situation. It’s not that we lack power but that we refuse to understand – a failure of working class consciousness to keep pace with a changing world. I would guess that it’s similar there in Russia, too, although you do have the positive legacy of Lenin and Stalin. Lenin was brilliant. But his brilliance must have posed problems, too – perhaps people are better-off if they think for themselves, rather than being dependent upon others doing their thinking for them. But, this is even more imperative with corporate states, like the US, where the politicians are dumb or deceitful. Lenin was undoubtedly the most advanced political analyst history has ever witnessed – Stalin, Molotov, Kaganovich, Zhdanov, Voroshilov, and Manuilsky were good, too, but what good was it for socialism after Stalin died, when the bulk of the population could not see through, nor resist, revisionism?

Posted by: zeke2u | May 6 2023 15:22 utc | 362

Here we go again:
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/44819

🔴 Ukrainian troops deployed armored vehicles to the front line in the Zaporozhye region
📝 “ The enemy has deployed armored vehicles to the front line. Its main part is hidden in underground vegetable stores in the Orekhovsky and Gulyaipolsky districts in the part of the Zaporozhye region controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine ,” said Vladimir Rogov, politician and member of the local administration
According to him, Ukrainian troops also deployed thousands of troops to the front line.
🔹 Rogov stressed that the situation in the region is tense, but there is no panic among the population.
✔️ On the eve of the authorities of the Zaporozhye region said that the counteroffensive of the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could begin in the coming days or even hours.

They were supposed to have prevented this transfer of men and equipment, but of course nobody really tried seriously…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:23 utc | 363

🇺🇦Ukraine is unable to launch a full-scale offensive
🇩🇪👤 Retired military expert and colonel of the Bundeswehr Ralf Thiele said (https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Ukraine-ist-offensichtlich-noch-nicht-voll-ausgeruestet-article24098087.html) that Ukrainian militants are not able to launch a full-scale offensive, therefore they resort to the methods of single strikes and terrorist attacks.
💬 “Obviously, the Ukrainians are still not fully armed and combat-ready. Therefore, now we are seeing a preliminary stage of needle pricks, when attempts are made to find the right moment and use the surprise factor,” Tiele said.
☝️ The colonel stressed that by organizing terrorist attacks on Russian territory, Zelensky risks losing the solidarity of the collective West.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/29891
Just an addition, but Herr Oberst forgot to mention that Ukraine is unable to launch attacks because so many of AFVs supposedly earmarked for it have been used in Bakhmut or otherwise destroyed in storage/staging area sites.

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 15:24 utc | 364

https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1654522175678996481
https://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1654837050158481409?cxt=HHwWgoDQ_fDhlPctAAAA
So much scum in this thread. Name hijackers and trolls. There is good honest people here from right across the spectrum but they have been drowned out. I didn’t agree with some of Lira’s views but he put on good roundtables. The clowns that are celebrating Lira’s arrest by the Ukro nazi’s. Scum.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 15:28 utc | 365

Some Wessi:
“The colonel stressed that by organizing terrorist attacks on Russian territory, Zelensky risks losing the solidarity of the collective West.”
Utter nonsense of course. The West gets a good belly laugh out of each Ukronazi terrorist attack inside Russia. The only thing threatening that solidarity is the hit to the West’s pocketbooks.

Posted by: malenkov | May 6 2023 15:34 utc | 366

JamesBond | May 6 2023 15:21 utc | 369
If they apply the Kherson retreat in Zap region won’t they lose control over ZNPP instantly? nato wants that npp badly, free energy for them and to cut Crimea from it. If not for energy, maybe they want to explode it. Seems to be the only npp nato can explode in Ukr without too much protest from Duda.

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 15:34 utc | 367

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 15:34 utc | 376
There was a new post that Ukro and MI6 are planning new attempts to take control of the Zap NPP. Remember they also tried to take it last Summer by crossing with rowing boats and barges. Hopefully the Russians can counter them on every front like then.

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 15:42 utc | 368

If they apply the Kherson retreat in Zap region won’t they lose control over ZNPP instantly? nato wants that npp badly, free energy for them and to cut Crimea from it. If not for energy, maybe they want to explode it. Seems to be the only npp nato can explode in Ukr without too much protest from Duda.
Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 15:34 utc | 376

They have no room for retreat as it is, even if there was no NPP.
If they lose Tokmak, Melitopol is in artillery range.
If they lose Melitopol, Crimea is left only with the Kerch bridge.
If they lose Berdyansk, the Kerch bridge is in range to be destroyed.
Mariupol will be open to attack too.
If both the land bridge and the Kerch bridge are lost, Crimea can only be supplied by ship, but that can be blocked too with ASMs from Odessa and from the Azov coast.
So just losing Tokmak can cascade into losing Crimea if they don’t finally stand up and fight properly.
I have no idea what the hell the thinking is here. They built all these fortifications, and if they just retreat once again without fighting, then what were they for???
This isn’t new, BTW — they started building fortifications outside Kherson too, plus, of course, the city itself could be used as a fortress and defended for a very long time. Then they retreated. So extremely ominous signs these last two days…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:42 utc | 369

Like shadowbanned mention, if the line in Zaporizhia is breached, protecting NPP is the last concern which is why that line is so crucial. It doesn’t matter if the ukrainians managed to take 10-15km in that direction as long as the gains are very limited (like the Germans did with Kursk). Of course, they could try an amphibious assault from Dnipr or something braze like Crimea (but that would be really stupid) but even if they can get some battalions of men in the other side of the river, without breaching the Zap line, they won’t go too far.
I don’t want to sound like a concern troll, that’s not my point but it would be interesting to know some russian opinions if more damage is done home by protecting that line with everything instead of protecting the life of those soldiers when retreating when the situation is desperate there.

Posted by: JamesBond | May 6 2023 15:53 utc | 370

The only historical parallel you need to consider is that of the Wehrmacht outside Moscow in December of 1941: their initial attack failed, they have no means of resupply or reinforcement and they are left in an exposed position. They are about to be rolled back.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | May 6 2023 15:54 utc | 371

All:
Does anyone else believe this Gonzalo Lira case is worth analysis by b? My fear is he’ll be railroaded into the Ukrainian Gulag never to be heard from again.
Korybko brought up excellent points that might indicate USA complicity in his arrest and no doubt, conviction.

Posted by: morongobill | May 6 2023 15:54 utc | 372

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:42 utc | 380
The ability to hold the trenches depends on being able to neutralize the ukro artillery, which will be the main source of Russian losses. If the ukros manage to overcome the Russian artillery, they will need to abandon that trench. Not because they couldn’t hold it, but to avoid unnecessary trench warfare losses from artillery. The ukros need to have their artillery in place if they want to launch the offensive and the Russians are trying hard to destroy them before they launch.
Russian doctrine calls for flank attacks on the ukro force perpendicular from the axis of advance before they reach the third line of defense, which possibly may happen.
“What is more likely, is that every line of defense is also a fire bag and a mine trap. The invading force will be bombed heavily after taking each line of defense.
If we assume, for the sake of discussion, that the offensive will take place in Zaporizhzhia then the following scenario could be possible:
Attack the offensive formations with the glide-bombs (Air Force), missiles, and artillery until they reach the first line of defense. If they reach the first line of defense,
Retreat from the first defense line. If the enemy makes further progress,
Retreat from the second defense line.
Try to envelop doctrinally with reserve forces the invading force left and right on the second line of defense and destroy them. If this is not successful, then retreat to the next line trench system, prepared further in the rear.
Repeat the same.”
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/operational-update-4

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 15:57 utc | 373

@Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 15:28 utc | 373

The clowns that are celebrating Lira’s arrest by the Ukro nazi’s. Scum.

Yes, those who are using this situation to badmouth Gonzalo Lira are outing themselves as scum indeed. Cowards that only attack someone who cannot defend themselves.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2023 15:59 utc | 374

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 14:19 utc | 347
Agreed that the photo looked bogus but I though they were trying to create the impression of a graphite nose cone, which is apparently a thing in missile / space technology…

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2023 16:00 utc | 375

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:09 utc | 364

The problem with having a frank discussion with the pro-Russia chorus is that they know only one line. Russia is anti-West. Putin, Putin, Putin! Just the reverse of the woke crowd.
Here is a short quote from the introduction of the book I mentioned:

There are indeed significant and puzzling inconsistencies in the story of the Soviet Union’s “collapse.” Consider the artfulness, bordering on the Machiavellian, and the lengthy effort that went into its demise and one has sufficient grounds for a different tale. The process of “collapse,” basically from 1983 on, came about as the country’s establishment applied blow after blow to the highly coherent and resilient Soviet system.
The most intriguing aspect of this incredible series of events is that behind it was the political will of the elite the Soviet elite who had decided that the Soviet system must be dismembered, while the so-called disgruntled masses played a minor role. That amounts, but only on a superficial look, to the impression that the elite itself might have voluntarily decided to dismantle and demobilize its own lines of defense and submit to a condition of servitude to the rest of the world.
[ . . . ]
That presupposes an early, even pre-1980, agreed armistice and rethinking of the exhausting confrontation. If Russia was in a position to let down its guard to the extent that we are witnessing today, it was only because it found itself not in a weak position but in the strongest military-strategic position in its history, free from imminent outside threat as enshrined at Helsinki in the 1975 Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe. Given its control of the world’s richest reserves of oil, gas, nuclear material, and raw materials, together with its educated professionals, an unmatched nuclear arsenal*, space technology leadership, etc. all Russia needed was to repackage its system as a benevolent system, to make it into a soothing and attractive social and economic model, to launch a successful public relations scheme. To succeed at that would be worth the costs and the risks!
From such a strategic viewpoint one may infer that the dismantling of the Soviet Union was only the first step of the former Soviet elite’s new policy of Soviet “market” outreach to the West as well as to the South. In the west, Western Europe today seems at its zenith, however, its fate may well have been determined by (1) its military emasculation (by the Treaty of European Conventional Arms Reduction, the 1988 Soviet-U.S. Intermediate Nuclear Forces agreement and START II) and (2) its dependency on Russian controlled oil and gas. In the south, oil producing Iran and Iraq, isolated by United States’ Middle East diplomacy, are quietly and slowly sliding further into the deadly embrace of the northern bear.**

Sure, there are centers of resistance against Russia taking over the whole of Europe. Hence the despair especially of the Eastern European neighbors. They know what they know. You can see more on this here Algora Blog

Posted by: Dacian | May 6 2023 16:03 utc | 376

Remember the episode with the Caltech janitor that turned out to have originally been a physicist from Leningrad who emigrated to the US?
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 15:00 utc | 359
The RU scientist turned janitor in US was one very soft moment. But in other episodes they just inserted “jokes” with no connection to the script or anything. For example, Russians “are only known for Tetris and mail-order brides”, Russians are “the people who gave us Chernobyl”, their rockets are scary bad, Russians shit too much in space compared to Americans and other such “jokes” but I don’t remember now.

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 16:21 utc | 377

@Trisha | May 6 2023 16:16 utc | 388

Luckily, I live in a civilized community where people generally mind their own business

Great, then go and mind your own business, we are not interested in what you do at night.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2023 16:23 utc | 378

The delusion-embracing “younger generation” is Gen Z… aptly named for the end of Western civilization, wouldn’t you say?

Posted by: William Gruff | May 6 2023 16:23 utc | 379

@William Gruff | May 6 2023 16:23 utc | 391
In my alphabet there are 3 more letters after Z so there might still be hope.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2023 16:25 utc | 380

Here is another view on “sanctions”: Selling Off the West’s Patrimony for One Ruble – But Why?

Posted by: Dacian | May 6 2023 16:26 utc | 381

Best In Hell @ 206
I learned a lot from the film, I had no idea about grenade launchers or how artillery is aimed.
What bugged me is they fought to get to the top a building to use a laser designator for aircraft launched rockets, wouldn’t you just use a drone to laser designate the target?
Am I missing something?

Posted by: Klutch Kargo | May 6 2023 16:33 utc | 382

The RU scientist turned janitor in US was one very soft moment. But in other episodes they just inserted “jokes” with no connection to the script or anything. For example, Russians “are only known for Tetris and mail-order brides”, Russians are “the people who gave us Chernobyl”, their rockets are scary bad, Russians shit too much in space compared to Americans and other such “jokes” but I don’t remember now.
Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 16:21 utc | 389

likely scriptwriters and producer were from an ethnic group that absolutely hates Russians with a crazy zeal. a mania with this group.

Posted by: Exile | May 6 2023 16:38 utc | 383

No way has Gonzalo been running his high profile operation in the middle of a war zone without protection. SBU was not simply distracted or too busy or looking the other way because. For the Nazis this has been an open wound. He does walk around town and get his coffee and cigarettes and bread wearing that face. Everyone in town has to know who he is.
This is about the pull of his protectors versus the anger of the ideologues. And the anger of the front line goons. Someone in Kiev and someone in Washington has been telling them to hold off. Kharkov is feeling close to the front again. Front line goons out of patience.
This is not a civil society issue playing out in Georgetown or Brooklyn. This is war zone. Quite amazing it has gone so long. I am not cheering for the goons. Pretending the goons are not there and there in force is silly.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 16:39 utc | 384

Do Trolls get benefits? Vacation time and health insurance?
Perhaps Trolls freelance? How does it work?
Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | May 6 2023 12:41 utc | 325
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Do Trolls get benefits? Does a bear shit in the woods? Why don’t you ask Mr. Kenneth Wollack or Mr. Wilson.
Kenneth Wollack is chairman of the National Endowment for Democracy and a member of the George W. Bush Institute’s Advisory Council on Human Freedom
Mr. Wollack has been actively involved in foreign affairs, journalism, and politics over the past five decades. For more than 25 years, he served as president of the National Democratic Institute (NDI), a nongovernmental organization (NGO) dedicated to advancing democracy worldwide [in other words Trolling]. He retired in September 2018, after 32 years at the Institute.
The current head Troll at the NED For over twenty years, Damon Wilson has helped shape U.S. strategy and national security policy in regard to NATO and US-European relations to advance freedom and security, Wilson views authoritarian Russia and China as “the main geopolitical challenge of the 21st century,” and that “there is no possible successful strategy to confront Putin’s aggression without a strong NATO.”
As far as pay and benefits are concerned, they are’t saying.

Posted by: Ed | May 6 2023 16:40 utc | 385

Gonzo @ 283
Member of the bar should buy him a new hat!

Posted by: Klutch Kargo | May 6 2023 16:42 utc | 386

Norwegian @392
Corners of western civilization will hold out for hundreds of years, and I see no reason why your corner shouldn’t be one of them.
The discussions here often touch upon a “civilization war” that the world is in right now. The civilizational model represented by the US is up against its limits and has nowhere to go. That is why they embrace nonsense like “the end of history” or retreat into their imaginations. We’re not at the end of history, just the end of western civilization as represented by American culture.
While your corner of western civilization might continue, or even thrive for generations to come, the US is toast. It cannot outlast this decade.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 6 2023 16:43 utc | 387

Organ harvesting @ 288
This organ harvesting stuff can’t be true can it? Doesn’t an organ have to be perfused and transported quickly to be of any use. It is my understanding that in China prisoners are donors and they are killed in the next room at the hospital so the recipient gets a fresh organ.
I think organ harvesting in 404 is B.S.

Posted by: klutch kargo | May 6 2023 16:50 utc | 388

@ William Gruff | May 6 2023 16:43 utc | 399
I agree with your assessment, the US is toast. We also need a complete overhaul over here. We don’t need Quislings like Stoltenberg.
This is a significant turning point in modern history.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2023 16:51 utc | 389

This is not a civil society issue playing out in Georgetown or Brooklyn. This is war zone. Quite amazing it has gone so long. I am not cheering for the goons. Pretending the goons are not there and there in force is silly.
Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 16:39 utc | 396
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I don’t know a lot about Mr. Lira, I thought that he talked too much and often tried to control the conversation, but Scott Ritter does much the same (and I like Scott Ritter, he knows what he is talking about most of the time).
When Lira disappeared the first time, I gave him the benefit of the doubt because the SBU and the CIA also play games. I understood that he was under house arrest which means that he was being watched by the SBU and pro-Nazi neighbor. One should read some books about Nelson Mandella, and his supporters (some who were placed under house arrest) during the Apartheid struggle in South Africa.
There was a film “A World Apart” based on the memories of a young white girl named Molly, whose parents
were anti-Apartheid revolutionaries whose parents were placed under house arrest. Otherwise, aside from being opposed to apartheid, the middle-class mother struggled to protect her normal 13-year-old girl daughter while her father was on the run.
During times of war and great social upheavals, shit happens that we don’t understand it.

Posted by: Ed | May 6 2023 17:07 utc | 390

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 16:39 utc | 393
>No way has Gonzalo been running his high profile operation in the middle of a war zone without protection.
I’ve long wondered about his protectors. The guy is a particularly unattractive manosphere specimen, droning on about why women can’t be trusted, how women hit the wall (coming from a guy who evidently slammed into that same wall), don’t marry Western women, etc, etc. His followers are political nobodies: losers who can’t get a western girlfriend and fantasize about mail order Slavic brides. And he’s not even from USA or other strong Ukrainian ally but rather Chile! From what I can see, his videos and tweets this past year has done nothing to help Ukraine’s war effort. (To the extent he’s contributing to Ukraine losing the war more quickly, yes, he’s helping Ukraine, because hurrying the end of this destructive war is in Ukraine’s interest, but that’s not what SBU would call helping Ukraine.) Or am I missing something?

Posted by: Revelo | May 6 2023 17:07 utc | 391

If I were the host I’d consider killing the comments for a while. It’s a shame but without moderation, authentication of users, and a respectful commentary, it’s not worth sifting thru the garbage to find a nugget of gold.
A short list of thanks to commenters here, and apologies as I am sure I forgot about someone:
@Shadowbanned
@Unimperator
@Karlof1
@Commandante
@Down South
@lightYearsFromHome
@JustAMaverick
And a big thanks to B for continuing to seek out the truth.
I’m going to take a commenting holiday into Artemosvk is officially 100% under Russian control. Until then, if anyone posts under my name, you know it is fake.

Posted by: Chris | May 6 2023 17:08 utc | 392

Posted by: William Gruff | May 6 2023 16:43 utc | 397
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Bill, you probably know this already, but just the same I would like to point out that the yahoo Francis Fukuyama did not invent the term “The End of History.” He was playing on Marx who was suggesting that after a period of socialism, humanity would move towards communism where the ownership of things and objects would become superfluous. A period when human poverty and the need for capitalist class oppressors would become yesterday’s nightmares. This Marx referred to as “the end of history.”
On the other hand, Fukuyama dreams of a future were neo-liberalism, and a permanents capitalist class society would be the “end of history.” The neo-liberals of Francis days (the Clintons, the Bidens, and the Obama’s) loved it.

Posted by: Ed | May 6 2023 17:27 utc | 393

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 15:57 utc | 384
Guided rocket artillery for almost everything. It can easily outrange gun artillery, softer launch makes the guidance unit easier & cheaper to produce, rockets can be fired from disposable launchers, negating counter-battery efforts. Laser correction from drones or troops to engage mobile targets.
Each side it just trying to blow up the other. Existing doctrine and weapon are a means to that end, not an end in themselves. Other than bunkers and fortifications, there’s very little out there that would survive a direct hit from Tornado-S, and that includes tanks & helicopters, if they can be illuminated.
Why risk lives and a whole catalogue of wildly expensive military equipment to do something that a rocket “arrival” can do just as well.
Trouble is that available guided rockers are are too expensive, too low volume, to use against dispersed forces. Cheap, plentiful rockets, like Grad, are unguided so unable to engaging individual targets economically.
Look at amateur rocketry projects on YouTube to see just how easily and cheaply “smart” rockets can be produced.
Mass production of cheap, plentiful, guided rocket artillery with rapid fire control should have been a priority since the first UA counteroffensive showed that dispersed forces and no concern for casualties made UA’s large scale attacks almost impossible to stop in their tracks with available weapons and doctrine.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2023 17:30 utc | 394

klutch kargo | May 6 2023 16:50 utc | 395
Some organs last up to 2 days in storage. There’s no problem. If they’re evil, they can keep the soldiers almost alive. Fresh from Borel’s garden, for everyone!

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 17:30 utc | 395

Revelo @ 399
Yes, you are missing something. Everything.
The guy has some intellect and some intrinsic merit. That and $2.50 will get you a ride on the bus. Anybody you have ever heard of you heard of because they were promoted and they were promoted for a reason.
We even have ever heard of the guy because he is connected. Real connected. Chile is ruled by one family and has been since the start. He is one of them. Carrera family. That means he is related to everybody who is anybody in his home country. As I noted upthread he is blood relative to both Allende and Pinochet. I think his position on Pinochet is ridiculous crap. But for godsake, what he relates is family gossip. What he gets from his own family.
His ‘loser’ followers include Larry Johnson (CIA), Alexander Mercouris, Brian Berletic, Susan Webber, Ray McGovern (CIA), on and on. His videos get viewed and get discussed. He is not working quietly in a closed stack library.
His father was a diplomat. Different Chilean consulates in US. Gonzalo grew up here. Through his father he would have known, personally, CIA people since he was a kid. He went to school at Dartmouth which is a big CIA feeder. Then went to work in Hollywood, which is simply a CIA subsidiary. This is a sketch of the beginnings of his connections.
There is no reason whatsoever SBU should tolerate him. Except they have been told to do so. From a level high enough they would not question it. But there is a war on. Blood is flowing. Goons start to question standing orders they never liked. And the guy has been wildly flamboyant. I’ve no idea how his case will be processed. Will note that so far he has been shown on camera and no blood. That could change in a moment. I hope he is spirited out of there. We do not know. He does have significant cash. An easy cover story would be he paid up and got shipped out. But we will never know the truth. Above my pay grade and yours.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 17:39 utc | 396

@ Posted by: Response2 | May 6 2023 15:06 utc | 359
That’s it.
“One of these things is not like the others…One of these things just doesn’t belong here..”

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 6 2023 17:41 utc | 397

Lira is a professional sexual harasser and probably finds the situation in Ukraine, with a bunch of men being shipped to the front and their wives left behind, very amenable.
Posted by: fnord | May 5 2023 16:40 utc | 31
Example of a psychopath propaganda.

Posted by: RB | May 6 2023 17:47 utc | 398

Because it is debt that determines national sovereignty or not
Posted by: Trubind1 | May 6 2023 14:36 utc | 350
Not true. The military is all that matters.
Posted by: wagelaborer | May 6 2023 14:53 utc | 356
The use of debt to control other countries was policy in the USA around the end of the nineteenth century. The name for it was “Dollar Diplomacy,” and it was directed primarily toward Latin America. Start with a country that does not have an inherently strong government. Next borrow them money. Finally, threaten to cut of their credit if the don’t go along. Lacking a strong government, the disruption to commerce would cause the local government to get overthrown. Threat of that happening produced their cooperation without the direct use of military force. Thus it was the substitute for military force, and was a better system for keeping life safe for United Fruit’s investment in the country

Posted by: Jmaas | May 6 2023 17:50 utc | 399

Mass production of cheap, plentiful, guided rocket artillery with rapid fire control should have been a priority…
Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2023 17:30 utc | 398
The thing is they are using USA equipment and we are not cost sensitive. They commonly fire two Patriot missiles at a time, and the least expensive version costs three million each. So, no less than six million to take out the incoming. Plus they can not build them quickly, making supply a problem. If we end up using the F35 fighter, I wonder how things will go with that overpriced marvel

Posted by: Jmaas | May 6 2023 17:57 utc | 400