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May 5, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-107

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Short of ammo…. Bakhmut would not be a nice place if the cook had lots of ammo.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1654558183107559430?cxt=HHwWjIC8xdf5lfYtAAAA

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 1:33 utc | 201

@ Jazz | May 6 2023 0:19 utc | 180
The RF Airborne (VDV) have been all over the place since Gostomel, units of the Border Troops (Rosgvardia) have popped up in various places, the artillery that has played such a critical role in the fighting is no doubt largely Army, and a fair number of the 300K mobilized were committed to the line, I suspect rotating fresh units into and out of relatively-quiet sectors for seasoning.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 6 2023 1:35 utc | 202

I see Kadyrov’s remarks referenced twice but no complete posting of his statement. Here it is from Escobar’s Telegram:

“I am addressing Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and creator of the Wagner PMC.
It is unpleasant for me, as for everyone who is not indifferent to the fate of our country, to hear the latest statements of Yevgeny Viktorovich, and it is doubly unpleasant that the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense does not comment or does not meet with the leadership of the Wagner PMC to make any decision or clarification. After all, Prigozhin deserves respect for the invaluable contribution of the Wagnerites to the liberation of the cities of Donbass. If there is a shortage, then it is necessary to explain, show, on the basis of which the commanders will at least correct the further tactics of the Wagner units, not relying on artillery.
I recall the experience of the Chechen units in Mariupol. When it took five tanks from the Ministry of Defense to support the infantry, we were able to provide only one, the combat crew of which left the vehicle in the very first battle. Then the tankers had to be calmed down, set up for battle and put back into the combat vehicle so that they would cover at least one position of the Azov Satanists with volleys. There were also problems with other equipment. Since the beginning of the SMO, we could not replace 30 artillery guns. I personally called Moscow, talked to the commanders, commanders, superiors. A month later the problem was solved. Yes, it didn’t work on the first call. But our units did not record videos, they did not give a pleasant informational occasion to the enemy.
… By the way, filming the bodies of dead comrades for the sake of public outcry … is wrong. Let’s never do that…
In the zone of responsibility, for example, Apti Alaudinov, my dear brother, the commander of the Akhmat special forces, the deputy commander of the 2nd Army Corps of the RF Armed Forces, more than a hundred kilometers of the line of contact with the enemy. Not a day goes by that he doesn’t have problems. But not once did Apti Aronovich[Alaudinov] declare this publicly via the Internet, but only through internal communication with the leadership. I note that the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, with rare exceptions, have always met the Chechen units and helped. And misunderstandings are always present in ordinary civilian life, not to mention the war, where there is ALWAYS not enough ammunition! I really hope that Sergei Kuzhugetovich [Shoigu] will listen to my call and an order will be given to the General Staff to go to the place and sort things out. This is the only and soldierly correct way out of the situation.
Chechen units fought side by side with the Wagner in the most difficult areas in Popasnaya, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk and other settlements of Donbass. Together they performed a sacred duty to the Motherland without division into nationalities or faith. The interests of the state and the security of the country must come first. And when the SMO ends, I would like all of us to be winners, every fighter, every commander, every Russian patriot. Together.
Yes, if older brother Prigozhin and “Wagner” leave, then the General Staff will lose an experienced combat unit, and his younger brother Kadyrov and “Akhmat” will come to his place in Artyomovsk[Bakhmut]. If the scenario is still like this, then our fighters are ready to advance and occupy the city. It’s a matter of hours. But I would like us to take the remaining two kilometers of the city not at the cost of the lives of soldiers, but as a result of mutual understanding, support, determination of the command and fighters to fulfill the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Russia Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.”

I presumed Wagner forces would be removed from the FEBA once Bakhmut was over to possibly be replaced by the Chechens who’d been in reserve since they finished Mariupol, and that appears to be what’s going to occur. The public airing of dirty laundry gives succor to the enemy and is 100% unprofessional; but then, Prigozhin isn’t a professional. I see him as a Russian Zelensky in many ways. Retiring Wagner from the FEBA might be why Prigozhin’s in such a snit as he’s then no longer in the limelight.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 1:42 utc | 203

Anyone else seen the Wagner mockumentary about taking 3 blocks by a certain time just so they could get coordinates from a 9 storey building for the airstrike on some Tulip?
Involved (Wagner) a couple of tanks & BMPs (losing 1 tank to drone) a 120m mortar unit, 152mm unit that was hit by counterbattery, 3 strike/assault teams (only 2 survivors), a Grad team and a couple of SU 25.
On the UAF side, a defending team in the 1st and 3rd building, a roving security team, a reserve force, a 120mm mortar unit, 155mm Howitzer unit and a couple of tanks, oh and that 209mm Tulip. All destroyed.
Very messy and makes one wonder why the entire area wasn’t just TOSed, before sending in the teams. Also, no near (direct fire) fire bases set up for the assault teams. Otherwise, very standard 80s FIBUA format and great form from both sides.
I didn’t get the title, just the catch phrase, “Best in Hell”.
Entertaining for the warporn fans.

Posted by: Suresh | May 6 2023 1:44 utc | 204

What some of the newbies here probably don’t understand is the geopolitic/geoeconomic war going on. It’s basically war of the worlds. Ukraine is only the spark that will ignite the planet. For good or evil. And, that’s what this is about. Cheers mates!

Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 6 2023 1:44 utc | 205

@202 Apparently many east ukranians voted for Zelensky because he promised peace with Russia, but as so often with democracy polticians are turned when they get into power. Of course everything there is a charade since the us sponsored coup in 2014 overthrew the democratically elected government, because the us didnt like it.

Posted by: Oh | May 6 2023 1:45 utc | 206

@ Perimetr | May 5 2023 16:47 utc | 35
I should’ve referenced your post first in my @204. Sorry.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 6 2023 1:46 utc | 207

@99 is a foul mouthed troll masquerading as Peter AU1.

Posted by: Dferg | May 6 2023 2:00 utc | 208

@ Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2023 1:12 utc | 196
The mobilization seems to’ve been to strengthen the Ukrainian force without subtracting from the main RF force, positioned to deal with an open NATO intervention, probably spearheaded by the Poles whose leadership appears to be fucking fools, in classic Polish tradition.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 6 2023 2:09 utc | 209

Supposedly an existential crisis for Russia, yet barely 10% of available reservists mobilised. Doesn’t make sense to me.

Posted by: Oh | May 6 2023 2:14 utc | 210

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1654609627034558464
It’s almost Coronation Day in the UK. I’ll end with pics of King Charles III meeting & pledging support to the First Lady and PM of #Ukraine
ClownZ will be twisting that he missed an invite.
Maybe the UK has a limit on how many queens can assemble beside the king.

Posted by: Melaleuca | May 6 2023 2:14 utc | 211

Melaleuca | May 6 2023 2:14 utc | 214
Fear not. Z will make a surprise appearance at the Eurovision Song Contest.

Posted by: dh | May 6 2023 2:33 utc | 212

The Dolphin @ 189
BIG thumbs up!
Wagner’s primary tasks are completing. The battlefield is now lining up for larger mechanized battles. Russian army was busy fortifying defenses and preparing to [when the ground firms up] shove the Ukrainian forces completely out of the Donbass (and beyond).

Posted by: Seer | May 6 2023 2:35 utc | 213

“The nadir of this type of offense is nuclear and the Ukrainians are not novices in this regard. Russia’s unwillingness to bite the bullet is the most dangerous position to have taken against such an enemy will go down as one of the worst approaches to fanatical fascism in warfare with such possible nuclear endings of one or another kind. Historians will then ask “What were they waiting for?”
Posted by: Elmagnostic | May 5 2023 20:23 utc | 100
What if Russians have a conscience and the Zio-Banderites and their western Owners do not?
After the recent destruction and plundering of several countries – Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan – the Owners of the collective west feel pretty well in terms of a complete lack of accountability. The triumph of genocidal Straussians (neo-talmudists) at the US State Department and the eagerness of the dishonorable MIC to continue “humanitarian interventions” and “the marches of democracy” by producing mounds of dead human flesh in the Middle East and Eastern Europe leaves no hope for the collective west. There are no homeostatic mechanisms of biofeedback in the collective west to save the living organism of western society.
The astonishing turnaround of the American/European Jewish Community towards celebrating the Nazification of Ukraine and the Jews’ support for Banderites is a great illustration of the depravity of ‘masters of the universe’ in charge of the Financial Squid and war profiteering corporations. Their shamelessness and opportunism are on wide display. Where is their usual squealing “nazi & hitler?”
Russians do not like wars. Western bankers and fascist mega-corporations need wars because these Parasites live by plunder and murder. Russians and Chinese are trying hard to save the planet by allowing the Parasites to destroy and eat themselves. The Parasites must be contained.

Posted by: Cerena | May 6 2023 2:44 utc | 214

Seems like the fur is about to fly. Civilians ordered to evacuate from areas s of Dnipr R, Shoigu inspected troops in that region. The easiest spots for the UAF to cause trouble for Russia are the NPP and Transnistria. Hope the evac order is not because of some knowledge about Ukrainian plans for the power station. Z was in Poland – cooking up more mischief no doubt. I think we are about to see just how evil and devious MI6 and their cohorts in the US are.

Posted by: the pessimist | May 6 2023 2:50 utc | 215

Oh @ 213

Supposedly an existential crisis for Russia, yet barely 10% of available reservists mobilised. Doesn’t make sense to me.

Which is why you’re not a military strategist or leader of a country [I am assuming].
This isn’t an instant-gratification conflict. This is about shaping the entire world into a multi-polar one. “Quick” can get nukes flying. If Russia mobilized with a full army (even assuming the Russian people would have been behind that AND that they’d continue to be behind that) the collective West would have jumped in [directly] in which case a lot more fingers on triggers and, well, history tells us what tends to happen.
Russia’s objectives were to minimize civilian casualties: unlike the lip service given by the West, Russia actually strives for this. And mass reduction in armaments in Ukraine: a LOT of stuff has been eliminated, not to mention the 100s of thousands of Ukrainian (and other) military personnel. While there are Russian-side personnel losses they have been a fraction to that of their opposition’s. Russian troop increases have taken place and are ramping up, ready for another phase of this conflict.
As has been said so many times: We’re alive because of Putin’s patience (again, the West [looking at YOU, US] would have been firing nukes- oh, just small ones!).

Posted by: Seer | May 6 2023 3:13 utc | 216

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 5 May 2023⚡️
🔹#Russia’s Hinterland:
▪️ In the #Krasnodar edge in the morning hours, an Ukrainian drone again attacked the Ilsky Refinery. A fifth unit was damaged and a fire broke out at the facility. There were no civilian casualties.
🔹#Russia’s Border Areas:
▪️ In the #Bryansk region, an Ukrainian UAV dropped several munitions on #Azarovka village and #Novenkoye settlement, with no casualties or damage.
▪️ In the #Belgorod region, Ukrainian terrorist formations shelled the villages of Yasnye Zori, #Cheremoshnoye and #Ustinka. Residential houses and power lines were damaged.
🔹#Starobelsk (#Svatovo) Direction:
▪️ The situation has not changed significantly: position fighting and artillery duels continue.
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, according to some reports, the AFU are preparing boats to force the #Oskol River, as well as conducting a forced evacuation of the population in #Redkodub.
🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction:
▪️ In the western areas of #Bakhmut, Wagner PMC assault squads are engaged in fierce fighting on the Liberators of Donbass Street.
➖ To the south, Russian servicemen are advancing on enemy positions on the western side of Tchaikovsky Street.
▪️ The head of the Wagner PMC, Evgeny Prigozhin, announced the withdrawal of his units from the settlement on 10 May due to shell starvation and heavy losses.
🔹#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ In the #Avdeyevka sector, Russian servicemen are conducting a positional offensive against the AFU strongholds in the area of the N-20 highway west of #Novobakhmutovka.
▪️ The Ukrainian terrorists again shelled populated areas of #Donetsk agglomeration. Among others, residential buildings in #Yasinovataya were hit. Three people were killed and three more were wounded.
▪️ In #Maryinka’s western districts, fierce fighting in the private sector continues.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction (MAP):
▪️ The Ukrainian army command, after a failed breakthrough attempt in the #Pologi district, is reinforcing the troop grouping by moving additional Territorial Defence units as well as heavy armoured vehicles to the #Shcherbaki and #Grigorovka districts.
▪️ AFU move S-300 launchers to #Zaporozhye in an attempt to reduce the effectiveness of the Russian strikes.
▪️ Russian Federal Security Service officers prevented a terrorist act against one of the executives of the #Zaporozhye NPP. Two saboteurs have been detained.
🔹#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront:
▪️ Russian forces launched strikes against positions of Ukrainian formations in #Kherson, #Lvovo and #Tokarevka, and used guided aerial bombs against enemy manpower and equipment in #Veseloye, #Kazatskoye and #Berislav.
➖ In turn, the Ukrainian terrorists damaged civilian facilities on the left bank of #Kherson region. Residential buildings in #Peschanovka and #Kakhovka were among those hit.
➖ In Novaya Kakhovka, shelling damaged a house and a school building, one man was killed.
🔸Political and other Events:
▪️ Bahraini Foreign Minister Abdullatif bin Rashid Al-Zayani visited #Kiev and held a face-to-face meeting with Zelensky.
▪️ The European Union has granted #Ukraine a 1 billion euros loan, which will be used to buy 155 mm artillery shells and missiles.
▪️ Acting Danish Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen has announced the joint transfer with Germany of 80 Leopard 1 tanks to #Ukraine.
▪️ The head of #Zaporozhye region, Evgeny Balitsky, has announced the evacuation of the population from frontline settlements with their subsequent relocation deep into the region.
▪️ Russian State Duma deputy Shamsail Saraliev reported that the Russian and Ukrainian sides had exchanged the bodies of the killed fighters 80 by 80.

https://t.me/sitreports/8229

Posted by: Down South | May 6 2023 3:45 utc | 217

@221
1. Arsenals of the west are depleted due to offshoring of industries. A temporary state of affairs.
2. Odessa and Kharkov are essential to denying the western countries a victory. 300k is not enough to take one of them.
WW3 will happen unless the west warmongers are taught a sharp lesson, war against China is coming otherwise.
2 million russian troops on the polish border wpuld sober up minds. I am not a professional military strategist, but I am old enough to remember that for decades peace prevailed because of a respect of russian nuclear ability. That is why kennedy backed on down in 1962, Weakness is not strength.

Posted by: Oh | May 6 2023 3:47 utc | 218

Wow, I thought Gonzalo was on the Russian side of the lines. Those are not the sort of things one should say about a host country, let alone one with that kind of government and factions in it.

Posted by: kassandra | May 6 2023 4:11 utc | 219

And it wasn’t for any of his opinions. He’ll eventually be deported, and that’ll be that.
Not all of us are stupid here. Try to remember that.
Posted by: Nak | May 6 2023 2:34 utc | 216
Agree his situation is ludicrous, and the Ukies obviously couldn’t care less, so what was he picked up for? (if its true and if he is actually in Ukraine)

Posted by: K | May 6 2023 4:33 utc | 220

Posted by: kassandra | May 6 2023 4:11 utc | 224
He’s been in Kharkov or Kharkiv since not long after the Russians pulled out of Kiev, or so he says. I don’t particularly like his style and occasional misogyny, but he does appear with many others on group discussions on Bitchute that I would trust like Brian Berletic, Alexander Mercouris, and Pepe Escobar.

Posted by: George | May 6 2023 4:47 utc | 221

It isn’t that Lira had this view or that view. Or that he acted dengerously. It simply brings to focus that the “democracy” Western countries claim to stand for in Ukraine is again arresting someone for thought crimes.
Of course Ukraine has done worse, but mostly to anonymous victims as far as the Western world is concerned.

Posted by: bobzibub | May 6 2023 5:11 utc | 222

[223]
Offshoring is hardly reversible. Currently major airlines are grounded because Pratt & Whitney cannot meet repair needs for its engines on Airbus and other aircraft – shortage of chips and spare replacement engines. GE is short of engineers and skilled machinists.
These are not waiting at Jobcenters for offers – same with nuclear engineers no supply.
Cotton lintners for shells come from China. Propellants come from certain chemical companies. U.K. no longer has ICI and BAe has only one plant left from Royal Ordnance takeover
The West lacks trained manpower that wants to work in such jobs and live in areas where manufacturing might be located
U.K. last produced tank ammunition in 2006 and has no tank building capacity. Germany is hardly any better with skilled labour shortage in every sector. Demographics are biting hard. Engineering is not popular and it is much harder to get to university than other subjects. Maths teaching in Germany is dire as a Professor in YT videos laments when comparing tests he set in Germany v China and India. They are low grade
German politicians degraded Abitur results since 2020 and it is a dud exam of variable regional quality anyway
You believe in Onshoring and I know it is political BS

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 6 2023 5:23 utc | 223

Posted by: kassandra | May 6 2023 4:11 utc | 224
Wow, I thought Gonzalo was on the Russian side of the lines. Those are not the sort of things one should say about a host country, let alone one with that kind of government and factions in it.
=excuse the diversion of subject matter but maybe your observation should express moral outrage? No member of the 256 member nation state system has a moral or ethical right to deny or punish one its citizens for speaking their mind and informing global humanity relevant factual information?
The nation state system is the problem. The war in Ukraine is a prime example.. of the faults of the nation state system.
Your comment concerns me. It suggests you assume the persons in charge of the nation state have the right to use the awesome powers of the nation state to suppress the inalienable human right to communicate without interference, without monitoring, or without oversight by the nation state system or any other device.
If humans accept that informing others, with actual facts, has never hurt any innocent person, then you accept that the nation state is not innocent in its effort to punish exposure to the facts.
The nation state system survives because it separates mankind, politically, culturally and socially into cells called nation states. Each nation state (cell) assumes it has the right to impose on those individuals captured within its bounds engineered self-serving ideologies. Julian Assange comes to mind. Everyone should recognize that the design of the nation state is, like the corporations its spawns, anti human in function, but controlled by a just a few humans.
Not only do the individual nation states deny those trapped within their clutches the freedoms and liberties every human born to this earth is each entitled to, but the individual nation states often conscript those within its boundaries to advance or defend with their time, commitments, and lives the power and wealth of the few who own and operate the nation state. Why does humanity put up with the nation state system?

Posted by: snake | May 6 2023 5:29 utc | 224

Tom_Q_Collins@167…sounds like Gonzalo was being diplomatic, never alienate one at the other’s expense…..the old folks call it good manners.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 6 2023 5:35 utc | 225

Big Serge tweeted that Ukraine almost certainly attempted an counter-attack in/around Bakhut in the last 24-48 hours, which caused a spike for Wagner casualties. They failed to take any ground, though.

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 5:39 utc | 226

Wow, I thought Gonzalo was on the Russian side of the lines. Those are not the sort of things one should say about a host country, let alone one with that kind of government and factions in it.
Posted by: snake | May 6 2023 5:29 utc | 229

How did you think that? He’s been in Kharkov, and Russia never made a serious attempt to take the city after the first week.
Even though it’s right at their border…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 5:40 utc | 227

Big Serge tweeted that Ukraine almost certainly attempted an counter-attack in/around Bakhut in the last 24-48 hours, which caused a spike for Wagner casualties. They failed to take any ground, though.
Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 5:39 utc | 231

That is itself concerning.
How many times did we hear that the roads are cut off, under “fire control”, etc.? And if they aren’t, how is it that they can move so much men and materiel without being annihilated by aviation? The glide bombs were rolled out, weren’t they?

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 5:42 utc | 228

Posted by: Drinky Crow | May 5 2023 18:44 utc
Ofc I watched his tubes , if you would have done it too you would have known that he never regarded himself as untouchable, so I doubt you watched his vids , btw. pretty comfortable to judge over ppl from a warm couch, right ??
Posted by: Publicdisorder | May 5 2023 20:34 utc | 106

Oh but I have watched his u-tubes. Couldn’t seem to watch all the way through his sneering delivery so off-putting. Also a panel discussion he hosted in which he was dismissive at best and distainful at worst of his guests opinions.
Not saying he didn’t have anything salient to say. Just that he’s got the perdonality of a rattlesnake.
So now he’s partying with the SBU. He can regal them with stories of Pinochet – they’ll treat him like a king!

Posted by: Drinky Crow | May 6 2023 5:53 utc | 229

“Nabrezhnye writes:
1. The issue with ammunition and supply is being resolved: The amount of ammunition supplied to Wagner has not changed at all; it is that Wagner has continued to expand and has many more artillery units then it used to, and is requiring more and more shells. This means that the MOD is always atleast a week behind in what the actual figure of shells is needed. The MOD is currently working on doubling the supply of shells; the issue is simply logistics, artillery is being burnt through quicker then trucks can supply. This is not an acute shell shortage. The intensification of fighting is now creating a larger demand for Artillery. This is not an issue of greediness or selfishness.
3. Ukrainians have increased their firing of artillery, yes; but they are burning through a significant portion of the entire Army’s stockpile. The AFU’s stockpile is almost at its lowest since the beginning of the SMO, Ukrainians are stealing reserves of Artillery shells from fronts such as Kherson and Kharkov. If the pace of artillery shelling is continued, the entire Ukrainian army will have to introduce a severe shell stoppage.
4. Wagner losses to Ukrainian losses are 1:7; for every one hundred men Wagner losses, around 700 Ukrainians lives are lost. Wagner employees tactics which are very artillery heavy (which explains the shortage) but also limits losses. Wagner has always employed these tactics and they usually bring great results. These tactics also mean that more artillery usage equals less loss of life.
5. In the past 26 days, 1,000 employees of the Wagner PMC have lost their lives, however, Ukrainians suffer casualties ranging between 5,000 and 13,000 in the past month or so just in Artemovsk alone. Our guys die heroes.
6. A quick fix to this would be to target Ukrainian Artillery and MLRS assets more then Artillery used in actual offensive operations, this would soon drain the capabilities of the AFU to fire Artillery and would allow more shells to be allocated for offensive operations in the future. Russian units in the Krasnoye front too often are targeting AFU acculumations within Chasovoy Yar quite frequently.”

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 5:54 utc | 230

2 million russian troops on the polish border wpuld sober up minds. I am not a professional military strategist, but I am old enough to remember that for decades peace prevailed because of a respect of russian nuclear ability. That is why kennedy backed on down in 1962, Weakness is not strength.
Posted by: Oh | May 6 2023 3:47 utc | 223

100% correct.
Which is one big reason why what Gorbachev and the people behind him did was a betrayal not just of the Soviet people, but of humanity as a whole. It ensured that at some point downstream there would be WW3, because it allowed the US to get too high on its own propaganda, and to lose all restraint. Eventually going directly after the other nuclear superpower(s) was only a matter of time. They in fact already started almost immediately with the Chechen war.
P.S. The other reason is that if there is to be a bright future for the human species, it will have to be a communist one, and that act took that off the table for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 5:59 utc | 231

I apologize if somebody else has already made these points. I ran out of time after the first hundred posts.
Prigozhin is a General, and like all Generals, he is a politician. He speaks for the effects that it has. His army is leaving Bakhmut because they have completed their mission. Russia already controlled the roads and railroads around Bakhmut before the battle for the city began in ernest. The stretegic value of the city was that Ukraine had commited to defend it at all costs. Prigozhin’s mission was to extract those “all costs.”
Russia never closed the cauldron because they wanted Ukraine to keep sending in tens of thousands of troops to be destroyed. It worked. They used the months when the ground was too muddy to launch effective troop movements to destroy massive portions of Ukraine’s military. The ground is drying, and Ukraine has stopped sending in new troops. Ukraine blew the bridge between Bakhmut and Chasov Yar. The Ukrainian s closed the cauldron themselves. Wagner fulfilled their mission in a manner that will probably never be fully appreciated.
I hope that they enjoy a couple of weeks R&R before the spring offensive brings Wagner back to fight again.

Posted by: barstool | May 6 2023 6:05 utc | 232

A Ukrainian delegate has punched a Russian delegate in the face during a meeting of Black Sea nations after his Ukrainian flag was snatched away to stop him from photobombing a video interview, reports Al Jazeera.
Posted by: Oh | May 6 2023 1:18 utc | 199

One of the flags was the Right Sector flag and the entire thing is Turkey’s problem as the host. It was indoors, they allowed nazi flags and offered no security for the meeting to be a normal meeting. All these things happen with permission from the host, no one randomly from the streets can enter that building. Such actions were also attempted in China at various events but they were prevented, the little nazis were not allowed to enter or removed instantly.
Erdo also forced Ukr to change the story about the hacked Byecraptar shot over Kiiiiyyyvv. It was bad marketing. Now Ukr say they were testing Israeli systems and everything was planned training

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 6:12 utc | 233

You’re all losers in the end.
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:25 utc | 18
Always keep the idea of controlled opposition in mind as a possibility, although there does seem to be a real break between the Russia/China axis and West, it would be naïve to believe that it couldn’t all be a show to steer us into the Great Reset of world totalitarianism. Needless to say I am hoping the Russians really are the good guys so that an alternative will exist to the WEF billionaire nightmare, mind you if you reside in West that is coming regardless of how this war ends.

Posted by: Organic | May 6 2023 6:13 utc | 234

Putin still isn’t going to kill Zelenski for the same reasons that he said that he wouldn’t at the begining. Killing a politician isn’t going to end a war, and Zelenski isn’t making any of the decisions, anyway. There is nothing to gain by killing him because it wouldn’t affect anything.
I haven’t read to the end of the book, but please don’t tell me that Putin is Zelenski’s father.

Posted by: barstool | May 6 2023 6:14 utc | 235

A very good thread of defense-in-depth. Also on heavily layered Russian defenses in the south.
https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1654653051100364801

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 6:24 utc | 236

@Ed | May 6 2023 0:29 utc | 184

Emil Cosman (a troll of the highest order and lowest standard) brought up this story on You Tube about two weeks ago. He claimed that some Norwegian fisherman had taken 21 photos of a Russian boat designed for heavy underwater work located nearby where the Nord Stream explosions happened. Of course, Emil had photos to share with us, and he has never brought the subject again.

For everyone’s education: Norwegian fishermen do not operate in the Baltic Sea. We have the huge Norwegian Sea in the North Atlantic. For those in doubt, look at a map. That site is ~2000 km away from the main Norwegian fishing areas.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2023 6:28 utc | 237

@dh | May 6 2023 2:33 utc | 215

Fear not. Z will make a surprise appearance at the Eurovision Song Contest.

Indeed. I expect that to happen. So no surprise really.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2023 6:37 utc | 238

Per Intel Slava Z on Telegram right now “They write that “musicians” are storming the road of Chasov Yar – Bakhmut, the so-called “Road of Life”.

Posted by: barstool | May 6 2023 6:37 utc | 239

Erdo also forced Ukr to change the story about the hacked Byecraptar shot over Kiiiiyyyvv. It was bad marketing. Now Ukr say they were testing Israeli systems and everything was planned training
Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 6:12 utc | 238

Including the random descent of the burning drone parts onto the civilians in the streets below?

Posted by: GT Stroller | May 6 2023 6:39 utc | 240

They’re happy with the story. Be happy they didn’t bring back the old woman who attacks drones with pickle jars

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 6:45 utc | 241

>Your comment concerns me. It suggests you assume the persons in charge of the nation state have the right to use the awesome powers of the nation state to suppress the inalienable human right to communicate without interference, without monitoring, or without oversight by the nation state system or any other device.
I’m not saying anyone has that moral power, not at all. I’m stating the obvious fact that these particular leaders have that de facto power and they use it openly, freely, unopposed. That is a defining characteristic of totalitarianism. We see it in the increasingly broken, corrupt, and bankrupt West. They are passing law after law to put sites like this into limbo. They want to put you and me in jail for Wrongspeak.

Posted by: kassandra | May 6 2023 6:54 utc | 242

Simplicu’s new article on Zaporozhye, evacuations and Bakhmut.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/emergency-evacuation-of-zaporozhye

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 7:10 utc | 243

so wagner is attacking the “road of life”and a two pronged attack of whats left of ukie territory , in bakhmut. hardly the withdrawl everyone spoke of. i think you all got gamed hard.

Posted by: hankster | May 6 2023 7:12 utc | 244

since everyones kicking lira while his hands are tied , literally, lets not forget to add in his financial misdeeds. theres some stuff in australia where he took over a financial advice site and disputes over missing funding etc, i wont post it but its not hard to find. i guess theres skeletons in everyones closet if the need arises to fjnd it.

Posted by: hankster | May 6 2023 7:21 utc | 245

For the record, I have often enjoyed listening to Gonzalo’s comments and also I have liked many of his roundtables. I hope things turn out ok for him and his wife.
I also think it is bullshit to badmouth him when he is in the custody of the SBU, it is a chickenshit thing to do.

Posted by: Perimetr | May 6 2023 7:29 utc | 246

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 7:10 utc | 248
tass.com/economy/1614293
The drone story was not confirmed and I can’t imagine how only a single passenger in the entire airplane can see it and no one else.
For the future, more probable than drone attacks for airplanes in flight, is the use of those many thousands of manpads nato has sent to Ukr or to other states, pretending to be for Ukr. they should also set a banned zone for internal civilian flights for all borders to all countries of 2-3x the manpad range, they will shoot over the border.

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 7:37 utc | 247

Killing a politician isn’t going to end a war, and Zelenski isn’t making any of the decisions, anyway. There is nothing to gain by killing him because it wouldn’t affect anything.
Posted by: barstool | May 6 2023 6:14 utc | 240

OK, kill the people who are making the decisions then.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 7:50 utc | 248

◾Human rights activist from Poland spoke about the sale of Ukrainian children to Europe. Joanna Pakhvicevich said that from the beginning of the SVO she knew that such situations would happen, and now their frequency is progressing.
◾“Last year, in June, I came across documents on the sale of a complete orphanage in a village not far from Mariupol. This orphanage was sold to Spain – 85 children”
– There are lawyers, and all social services that take children away, each of them gets paid for the fact that they take care of these children. That’s how it works.
◾Last summer a group of Ukrainian children were reported missing by Spanish media, after a few weeks the issue was covered up by regional authorities.

https://t.me/sitreports/8258

Posted by: Down South | May 6 2023 7:52 utc | 249

For the future, more probable than drone attacks for airplanes in flight, is the use of those many thousands of manpads nato has sent to Ukr or to other states, pretending to be for Ukr. they should also set a banned zone for internal civilian flights for all borders to all countries of 2-3x the manpad range, they will shoot over the border.
Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 7:37 utc | 252

If the Kremlin was serious about this war, Stingers sent to Ukraine would have downed multiple western politicians’ planes at their own national airports. Or Javelins would have blown up their armored cars. They fully deserve it, and it can be fairly trivially arranged.
Instead we have an attempt to set the Kremlin on fire that is going unanswered for four days now…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 7:53 utc | 250

For the Kremlin drone nothing will happen. They’ve already blamed US for it, which means Zely is excused and everything forgotten like the NS bombs. There was no azov trial either.

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 8:02 utc | 251

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 7:50 utc | 253
King Charles coronation would be a good place to start. All the bastards of humanity are gathered there. At least some mock attack to make them all run for the bushes, where they belong.

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 8:10 utc | 252

Is this the false flag they have been planning all along.
To hide the defeat of bakhmut they blame RF. Makes me sick how far the media is going. They are hysterical just like the Washington idiots.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65506993

Posted by: Scot1and | May 6 2023 8:34 utc | 253

Kadyrov remains cool, calms the storm and steps up in solidarity.
Broad overview at simplicius fyi.
On artillery shell discussion:

And in the same spirit comes a thoughtful and elucidating post from a Russian volunteer soldier, callsign ‘Deputy’:
callsign “deputy” }
“The channel of an ex-deputy and ex-fighter of donbass militia 2014-15. Now a fighter of a motorized rifle company of the RF Armed Forces. I write more for myself, but read! ”
For shell hunger.
I read the statements of Prigozhin and his staff about the Wagners’ lack of shells. Like give us shells and we do everything.
I would like to say a few words:
1. Shell hunger is a given. Both for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The reason for this is that no one expected the NWO to last this long. As a result, we actively shot the old stocks of shells in the winter-until the summer of 2022, and the production of new ones (both in our country and in the West) simply does not keep up with the frantic pace of their expenditure;
2. Shell hunger is typical not only for Wagners, but also for units of the RF Armed Forces. Limits were introduced not from a good life (and not only for Wagners) and at the moment this is the only option to ensure the supply of all combat units while waiting for the release of shells to accelerate and additional channels for their supply appear;
3. To succumb to Prigozhin’s demands and increase the limits of shells for Wagners means taking them away from other combat units that hold the front (and also advance) on a front that is many times larger than the Wagner front. Therefore, the transfer of additional shells to the Wagners on the eve of a possible counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lead to the collapse of the front. It is for this reason, and not out of harm and not love for Prigozhin, that the command of the RF Armed Forces does not respond to his complaints, threats, and often even blackmail.
And for some reason I doubt that Mr. Prigozhin does not know all this. Rather, he knows, but he solves some of his { political ? } goals. Something like this!

In short, he brings up a good point. Which is that, these problems are all very rudimentary, and it’s unconscionable that Prigozhin would not know these things; so, what could possibly be responsible for his bizarre outbursts? Surely he knows—by way of common sense, and also intelligence fed to him—that there are shell shortages everywhere, yet even in his explosive screed he seemed to imply that there were ‘warehouses full of shells’ that Shoigu/Gerasimov are just ‘sitting on’. Who knows, maybe, after all, it’s Prigozhin that knows more than a few mere low ranking soldiers. How are we to tell? We can only do our best to infer and try to trace the lines.

Good luck to Gonzalo, he is on the good side here but the nazis ARE evil.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 8:38 utc | 254

The bar simply refuses to know who Lira is. Doesn’t want to know. Wants to pontificate.
Lira is connected. Privileged and protected. Many ways. He is in danger if the thugs are no longer taking orders from their masters. Which seems quite possible. And a sign the Ukrainian project is ending.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 8:38 utc | 255

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 7:10 utc | 248
Yup, I think the historical parallel will be more Kharkov ‘42, not Kursk ‘43. In this hypothetical scenario the Ukrainians will be allowed to launch their offensive, just as it begins to run out of impetus the Russians will launch theirs. Russian air superiority will be a decisive factor, as will large armoured/ mechanised formations hitting a force deployed for offensive action. This is the reason that the Russians have constructed numerous fortifications, to enable them to adopt a formidable defensive/offensive deployment at the point of contact. The Ukrainian ‘Do or Die’ roll of the dice only allows one posture, that of offence, units caught by the Russian spearheads will have to retreat or defend in place, sheltering behind remotely laid mines. These static hedgehogs worked well for the Germans, but against modern air/artillery attack they will be far less effective. I would also add that this dynamic meeting operation is exactly why Russian offensive doctrine was designed. NATO ISR will be swiftly overwhelmed as planners struggle to deal with multiple attacks upon their offensive (Russians can launch their own spoiling attacks, from all areas of the contact line) as satellite comms and drones are swamped by new jamming technologies, just as they are needed the most (game-changing technologies have a short-window of opportunity to earn their moniker). In this scenario the VDV air assault capabilities could be used to devastating effect.
A scenario perhaps, but one where the facts on the ground are suggestive of two offensives being launched very close together in the same area, but with one force dominant in all areas of the military triad, which will be the deciding factor, as it always has been.

Posted by: Milites | May 6 2023 8:41 utc | 256

PaulaFox #258
Wrong thread sweetie, Biden and Blinken don’t hang around here no more.
We drink, reminisce and stomp trolls.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 8:42 utc | 257

With regard to Prigozhin’s complaints, a question occurs to me – “Wagner is used in attacking movements, so who would ever attack without being certain of fire power required?”
@unimperator | May 6 2023 8:10 utc | 257
I have just drunk 330ml of room temperature Budweiser and am listening to the musical prelude to the coronation (Holst’s Joybringer, at the moment). I will probably listen to that event too. It’s all seeming very jewed..
Time for a few bong hits.

Posted by: Ново з | May 6 2023 8:42 utc | 258

With regard to Prigozhin’s complaints, a question occurs to me – “Wagner is used in attacking movements, so who would ever attack without being certain of fire power required?”
@unimperator | May 6 2023 8:10 utc | 257
I have just drunk 330ml of room temperature Budweiser and am listening to the musical prelude to the coronation (Holst’s Joybringer, at the moment). I will probably listen to that event too. It’s all seeming very jewed..
Time for a few bong hits.

Posted by: Ново з | May 6 2023 8:42 utc | 259

War in Ukraine (05/06/23): assault on Artemovsk, Seversk, Avdeevka, evacuation in the South
Despite all the latest statements by Yevgeny Prigozhin, Wagner PMCs continued the assault on Artemovsk yesterday and today. And last night, according to reviews from that side, was a real hell for the Armed Forces of Ukraine …
Meanwhile, preparations for the battle in the south moved to the stage when the Russian leadership decided to evacuate the population of the frontline zone.
https://t.me/yurasumy/8563

Posted by: la bouteille | May 6 2023 8:47 utc | 260

Perimtr @ #51, you wrote “I also think it is bullshit to badmouth him when he is in the custody of the SBU, it is a chickenshit thing to do.”
Thank you. It’s more than chickenshit. The character assassination of Lira is the same totalitarian tactic used to justify and gain public support for the censorship and imprisonment of Julian Assange.

Posted by: Willow | May 6 2023 8:47 utc | 261

Lira is connected. Privileged and protected.
Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 8:38 utc | 261

If this were true he wouldn’t be schlepping his wares on YouTube. The prodigal son squandered his inheritance.

Posted by: too scents | May 6 2023 8:47 utc | 262

rk #238
I watched that a couple of times as it seemed every telegram channel was inserting it. I got the impression from the way the uke flag botherer was being treated that he was a Ukrainian delegate. They are so full of nazi arrogance and FU and we are supreme. Thugs. But for sure the Turkish security were likely Grey Wolves in suits so they adore nazis.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 8:48 utc | 263

King Charles coronation would be a good place to start. All the bastards of humanity are gathered there. At least some mock attack to make them all run for the bushes, where they belong.
Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 8:10 utc | 257

That touches on an important issue — a conventional decapitation strike against the West is only possible on occasions such as this, when there is a large concentration of elites. There are many reasons to want it to be conventional — i.e. you don’t want to destroy everything, and perhaps there are people in the military on the other side who are sick and tired of dealing with sick demented lunatics internally, and who will make a deal after that to stop it there. While if you nuke them, they will launch everything back too.
But here is the problem — the difference between an oligarchy and a strong centralized state is that the latter can be decapitated fairly easily while the former is too dispersed. It’s just way too many mansions, castles, private islands, and yachts spread all around the world, and too few missile launch platforms.
And then decapitation does not even have to be physical, you can do it through subterfuge and corruption if there is a single failure point. What happened with the USSR. That does not work the other way around though — because the oligarchy is by definition already corrupt, and it is highly dispersed. So while strong centralized states are better at fighting major wars and achieving big things that require the mobilization of a lot of resources, in the long run oligarchy wins because it is a highly dispersed parasite that eats through everything in its way.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 8:49 utc | 264

Does new evacuation of Zaporozhye mean that Russia is going to leave that area?

Posted by: Srbin | May 6 2023 8:50 utc | 265

shadowbanned #270
Just fly a balloon over the stadium and try to land it on the lawn.
Maybe a red star painted underneath.
Stampeded to death and the world would laugh for years.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 8:54 utc | 266

Does new evacuation of Zaporozhye mean that Russia is going to leave that area?
Posted by: Srbin | May 6 2023 8:50 utc | 271

That’s the established pattern so far.
The hope is that it will be different this time.
Putin spent his internal political capital with the withdrawal from Kherson, plus if they allow Melitopol to be captured, that will indeed doom Crimea. That cuts the land bridge while placing the Kerch bridge within firing range. And Crimea is nuclear war level-important.
You see how the war is (not) fought now because powerful sections of the Russian elite want to go back to the times of happy luxurious living in the West paid for by uncontrolled looting internally. If Russia starts fighting for real, that bridge will be irreversibly burned (it already is, but these people have not abandoned their dreams of going back to how it was). It was no different in 2014 — it is why the tanks didn’t roll into Kiev back then, and why the Donbass was pushed back into Ukraine by the Kremlin. But Crimea is just so important that they had no choice but to recover it.
So they will have to fight for real this time for the Zaporozhye.
If they don’t, then you can just tune out of this whole thing and stop wasting your time. The Kremlin has made a deal to surrender and there is no point expending any more mental energy on this — Russia is finished, and so is the world as a whole.

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 8:59 utc | 267

too scents @ 268
Lira is demonetized at youtube, is schlepping nothing.
Lots of people use youtube. For lots of reasons. Says nothing about their position in the social order.
The determined ignornce at this site is tiresome. And pervasive.
One more time. Lira is a Carrera. Ruling family of Chile. He is a blood relative to both Salvador Allende and Augusto Pinochet. His father was a diplomat and ambassador, You think Lira is a stranger to the CIA? He has known them personally all his life. Lira can pull rank on SBU. It worked for a while. May still work. If the thugs are out of control he is dead.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 9:19 utc | 268

You believe in Onshoring and I know it is political BS
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 6 2023 5:23 utc | 228
Even at my level, as a 55 year old general builder there’s hardly anyone younger in the builders merchants. No one younger wants to do physical type work. We’ve had too much prosperity for too long.

Posted by: PalmaSailor | May 6 2023 9:24 utc | 269

Apologies to Bevin. But Charlie Chaplin showed parody can be a powerful force.
Melaleuca | May 6 2023 2:14 utc | 214
Fear not. Z will make a surprise appearance at the Eurovision Song Contest.
Posted by: dh | May 6 2023 2:33 utc | 215
Zelensky’s EuroVision Speech Leaked
Volodimyr Zelensky is scheduled to be transported by Chinook helicopter to Liverpool from the coronation of King Charles. Let’s cross our fingers for his safe trip.
Zelensky has been afforded satellite air time at the annual kitsch circus cum song contest known as Euro Vision to give one final shit or bust rendition of his now well worn “begging for escalation speech” before the Ukrainian entrant is awarded its customary first place. This years Ukrainian entry Membrum Virile of Langley, VA will win with a folk song entitled ‘Monsanto Adio’ about how simple Ukrainian farmers could greatly enhance crop yield with bio-lab modification and additional liebensraum 500km north east of Har-Heev.
Renegade sources at UK establishment mouthpiece BBC news have leaked Zelensky’s speech ahead of its performance. A spokesperson for the state media BBC said that BBC news doesn’t represent the BBC and that the BBC is entirely independent.
“Thank you so much. Thank you so much for that. Stop cheering. Thank you. It’s too much for me. Ooh missus. All this for our great people. Thank you so much.
Dear Europeans, in all states, cities and communities, all those who value freedom and justice, who cherish it as strongly as we Ukrainians who have not yet been conscripted or otherwise abandoned Ukraine.”
Ducks head to lectern. Huge snorting noise.
“Against all odds and doom-and-gloom scenarios, Mariupol, I mean Bakhmut didn’t fall. Bakhmut is alive and kicking, I am reliably informed by the trolls who spam Moon Of Alabama. Thank you. No. Ooh missus. Stop. It. And it gives me good reason to share with you our latest victory: We defeated Russia in the battle for minds of the world. Provided we ignore 80% of the world. This victory occurred in our minds and I invite you to share it in your mind too. Snake Island is ours thanks to the Ghost of Kiyv; and your billions of euros taxes, gone poof under a Lancet drone. Remember you pay for higher energy and food bills, but Ukrainian conscripts are paying in blood. Our Azov heroes insist on it.”
“For peace in Europe we need more weapons! More drones to attack The Kremlin, more C4 to assassinate bloggers, more tanks, more fighter jets to kill Russian untermenschen orcs. Financial assistance is also critically important, and Mrs Zelenska and I would like to thank you, thank you very much, thank you for both financial packages you have already provided us with. Your money is not charity. It’s an investment in the global security and democracy that we spend in Harrods and our Miami property portfolio.”
“When I was in Bakhmut, our heroes gave me the toilet brush for the non-binary shit house, the non-binary toilet brush of those who defend Bandera and aren’t sure where to shit themselves. They asked me to bring this toilet brush to you, to the EuroVision song contest, the zenith of western mediocrity, degenerate selfish-entitlement and narcissistic hedonism. Let this toilet brush stay with you, ladies, gentlemen and all genders. This toilet brush with the Nazi insignia and rainbow coloured unicorn is a symbol of the victory in our minds….now please for Christ’s sake, give us yer fucking money!”
“Slava Bandera! Slava Ukraini! Slava Wadde Hadde Dudde Da!

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 6 2023 9:26 utc | 270

You think Lira is a stranger to the CIA?
Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 9:19 utc | 274

I think Gonzalo’s family office cut him loose a long time ago.

Posted by: too scents | May 6 2023 9:28 utc | 271

https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/29976

❗ All units of the Zaporozhye NPP have been shut down, director of the nuclear plant Yuriy Chernichuk said
He noted that the NPP equipment is serviced in accordance with all necessary regulations with strict control of radiation safety standards.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2023 9:33 utc | 272

Re Chile, the Americans boasted of “making the economy scream” so the country’s economic problems were to some extent at least externally manufactured.
Fidel Castro visited Chile in 1971 after Allende came to power – an event that certainly did not pass unnoticed in Washington.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 6 2023 9:34 utc | 273

” We pay a terrible price”: Ukrainian general pointed out mistakes in the defense of Bakhmut. General Krivonos: Ukrainian Armed Forces suffer losses in Bakhmut, which was not prepared for defense at all
The Armed Forces of Ukraine suffer heavy losses in Bakhmut, since the city was not initially prepared for defense. This was stated by the former deputy commander of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Sergei Krivonos.
“We are paying a terrible price for this city, and the point is that some made mistakes and did not prepare the city for the necessary defense. In Bakhmut, it was necessary to prepare not just approaches to the city, but to prepare the city itself for defense,” he said in an interview Channel five.
According to Krivonos, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had to leave Bakhmut back in February, and now the situation is getting worse, because they cannot “impose their own initiative.” The general also announced huge problems with the training of mobilized soldiers
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1654767809988100096

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 9:43 utc | 274

Srbin #271
“Does new evacuation of Zaporozhye mean that Russia is going to leave that area?”
Not at all. There is a good chance though that the initial wave of Ukrainian forces will render the district unpleasant for any civilian found living there. The nazi scum have already made it clear that their primary purpose is ethnic cleansing and the slaughter of all Russian collaborators. That includes all people living there.
In addition if there is a to and fro battle situation, the last thing the Russian forces need is to attack where hostages or human shields are taken by the nazis.
The district will likely become an inferno when the uke counter attack commences.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2023 9:47 utc | 275

… Not all of us are stupid here. Try to remember that.
Posted by: Nak | May 6 2023 2:34 utc | 216

Gosh, that’s all very clever and reassuring!
Do you have any advise for an Odessan trade unionist trapped inside a burning building?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2023 9:48 utc | 276

too scents @ 277
You are just being intentionally obtuse. Blood ties never end.
His first detention by SBU h.is father was all over social media looking for info. And inquiring why CIA control was breaking down.
I do not like the guy. He’s a rich fuck. A rich fuck who can’t stop running his mouth. He gives out inside perspective all the time. Of course for those who simply refuse to know anything about sources you completely miss the info and only see the annoying creep.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 9:59 utc | 277

Blood ties never end.
Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 9:59 utc | 283

The funniest ruined noble scion I had the displeasure of knowing was a Royal Stuart who was reduced to a pittance allowance that was administered by an overseer who insured that the embarrassment remained out of sight.
An industry is dedicated to hiding such embarrassments.

Posted by: too scents | May 6 2023 10:05 utc | 278

Posted by: HERMIUS | May 6 2023 0:08 utc | 177
A georgian in the Kremlin.
A georgian bank robber turned would-be marxist ideologue in the Kremlin.
A would-be georgian marxist ideologue turned a benevolent tovarich proletarian tyrant with a moustache in the Kremlin.
A georgian proletarian tyrant with a moustache turned little father of peoples in the Kremlin.
A georgian sorely missed moustache in the Kremlin.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 10:09 utc | 279

Posted by: Suresh | May 6 2023 1:44 utc | 206
Everything military happening in Ukraine since Feb 22nd 2022, be it called SMO or War, is of skirmish magnitude.
No hurricane at all but tropical storm at worst.
Hyped up a lot for sure so it makes headlines.
Do not long for real storm though it might follow soon.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 10:16 utc | 280

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1654761734685556736

Ukrainian Bradley IFZ’s with Ukrainian troops on the move in Ukraine. Counteroffensive likely to begin soon

For the hundredth time, Where are the 9M526/9M532/9M533 shells?
https://vpk.name/news/499413_kruche_dzhavelina_odna_rossiiskaya_raketa_mozhet_szhech_5_ukrainskih_tankov.html

Cooler than “Javelin”: one Russian missile can burn 5 Ukrainian tanks
The Russian ground forces have at their disposal the most powerful means of destruction. For example, the self-aiming combat elements (SPBE) 9N268 demonstrated at the Army-2017 International Military-Technical Forum, which are equipped with 300-mm 9M533 rockets of the 9K58 Smerch multiple launch rocket system.
Each such ammunition is capable of carrying 5 SPBE equipped with infrared homing systems. That is, only one rocket launcher with 12 launch tubes is capable of destroying an enemy tank battalion along with light armored support vehicles. Accordingly, the battery will easily deal with the tank brigade.
According to published data, 9N268 pierces up to 120 mm of armor, and since the blow is delivered from above, into the roof, then tanks, for example, the T-64BV, simply have no chance of surviving, not to mention the BMP, BTR-3 or BTR-4, which it will pierce through, destroying the crew and troops inside.
The maximum flight range of 9M533 is 90 km. Due to the fact that the Russian army currently has effective all-day reconnaissance unmanned systems, a potential adversary does not have too many chances to survive.
Earlier, in the 1990s, 9M55K1 shells were created with “smart” ammunition “Motiv-3M”, capable of hitting 70 km and coping with 70-mm armor.

I haven’t seen a single mention of these being used so far…

Posted by: shadowbanned | May 6 2023 10:16 utc | 281

Human rights activist from Poland spoke about the sale of Ukrainian children to Europe. Joanna Pakhvicevich said that from the beginning of the SVO she knew that such situations would happen, and now their frequency is progressing
1) Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo and Metohija has been consistently rumored be be a center of organ harvesting.
2) Given the appalling Epstein revelations, it’s entirely possible that these poor waifs are being sold into depraved white slavery.
3) Israel also rumored to be a center of organ harvesting. Early on Israel sent a couple of MASH style units to the Ukraine. Consistent Rumors are that these are also connected to organ harvesting.
4) plenty of social media reports over the last year of lightly wounded Ukrainian military being found dead with their organs removed.

Posted by: Exile | May 6 2023 10:17 utc | 282

@ Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 10:09 utc | 285
Joke was, that mustache returned as Brezhnev’s eyebrows.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 6 2023 10:18 utc | 283

Posted by: la bouteille | May 6 2023 8:47 utc | 266
They’re going at it non stop and the Chechens are going to take their place, fortunately, finish the job and take the glory, since what’s left is not even five percent of the total. Actually I was impressed by the Italian guy Nicolai Nilin, too bad is in Italian only, but he makes a historial analysis of circles of power around the Zar, since according to him the separation of army intelligence responsible to the zar only and not to the army HQ is in the origin of the present power struggle between Wagner and the army. With all due respect to my appreciated Karlof1 I would not put the blame on Prigozhin but on Shoigu, the SMO has evolved and its target is not only Ukraine but the entire West plus the internal deep state, comfortably numb in their offices, expensive dachas and children educated in the West with all that it implies, Russians know their history and Stalin did not exchange his prisoner son for a nazi general, compare that to the offspring of the Russian deep state, all educated in the west and all against the SMO, always expecting some kind of arrangement that will allow them to continue their sweet life while the “cattle” perishes in the front lines. It’s not going to be easy, but the task is monumental and hopefully the target will be achieved, including the elimination of the internal deep state.

Posted by: Paco | May 6 2023 10:23 utc | 284

The issue of the bio-weapons labs in Ukraine hasn’t gone away. Amarynth at Global South covers the latest Russian briefing here: https://globalsouth.co/2023/05/05/briefing-by-chief-of-nuclear-biological-and-chemical-protection-troops-of-russian-armed-forces/

Posted by: West of England Andy | May 6 2023 10:23 utc | 285

I am pretty sad to hear about Gonzalo , we are all being taken out now simply for having an argument. Sick and fed up living in a world like this where people just bend over and take it without fighting. I hoped and prayed RF and China were out to stop this but right now I just see bad and defeat meanwhile everyone waves flags to our new WEF king. Just seems more and more we are living in a Trueman show and RF and China are in a big George Soros plan. Please give me some good news this week

Posted by: Scot1and | May 6 2023 10:25 utc | 286

Posted by: Ed | May 6 2023 1:10 utc | 195
Joe Fucking Biden left the room a while ago.
The one you can see now is Joe Crackpot Biden …
Light flickering again for no reason is what crack does.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 10:30 utc | 287

Posted by: John Kennard | May 6 2023 10:18 utc | 289
Now that you say it, I can see it.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 6 2023 10:33 utc | 288

Tsarev today –
“Front-line summary (https://t.me/olegtsarov/6081) May 5
Artyomovsk. Ours blew up the Kanalsky bridge across the Seversky Donets-Donbass Canal near Chasy Yar. This bridge connected the only road to Artyomovsk with a branch. The Wagnerites continue to advance, the information of military correspondents speaks of a high intensity of fighting in the western districts of the city. Today, less than 3% of the city’s territory remains behind the Armed Forces of Ukraine, about 7.5% is a gray zone.
The Wagnerites are clearing house after house. It is clear that with such active assault operations, they need more shells than the units that hold the front in less active sectors. At the same time, Prigozhin says that Wagner’s applications were 5-6 times less than expected according to the calculations of the General Staff, but in reality they received about 30% of the applications. Now it is critically important that, as the President said, all internal contradictions be overcome for the sake of a common cause, but so far, unfortunately, nothing speaks of this.
The Minister of Defense in the Southern Military District inspected the readiness of equipment and weapons sent to the front – the equipment was brand new and lined up. Plus, he set the task (as if it had never been done before) to the new deputy for supply Kuzmenkov to keep under special control the issues of continuous supply of NVO groups with everything necessary. If this was a response to Prigozhin’s video message, then I would like to understand whether the issue of shells for Wagners has begun to be resolved. Judging by the latest message from Prigogine, no. But if the Wagner leaves Artemovsk, this will mean that all the losses are in vain and all those who died for the liberation of the city died in vain.
After yesterday’s attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine to attack our positions near Vuhledar, the Ukrainians did not advance. In the LPR, in the Seversk direction of the DPR and on the Zaporizhzhya Front, reserves are being drawn together and shock columns are being formed. At the same time, the activation of the front is already obvious in all the main directions, the artillery and enemy aircraft have become more active.
But ours also struck at targets in the Zaporozhye direction, in the Sumy region. Now there is a missile attack on the rear and reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, drawn up for the offensive. Explosions have already been at the Kramatorsk machine plant and in the industrial zone in the south of Slavyansk, we are waiting for other news.
News from the drone front. Yesterday, air defense forces destroyed an UAV near the Belbek airfield. Again there was a burning at the refinery in the Krasnodar Territory, either another drone, or yesterday’s burning was not extinguished. A three-meter reconnaissance drone was found in a field in the Rostov region, he was allegedly engaged in aiming at a local gas distribution station. By the way, Kyiv reported on the preparation of 10 thousand UAV operators for the counteroffensive. It is interesting that in addition to the official supplies of the West, large businessmen and volunteers contributed to the “Army of Drones” of Ukraine.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine are again hitting civilians. Gorlovka and Alchevsk were shelled from HIMARS at night. In Gorlovka, it seems that all the missiles were shot down, they flew in the Alchevsk region. As a result of the shelling of Yasinovataya, three civilians were killed. And in the Tver region, another 6 IEDs installed on power transmission line poles were neutralized.
Today, a partial evacuation of residents of 18 frontline settlements of the Zaporozhye region, including Energodar, Tokmak, Pologov, etc., was announced. It seems to be the right step on the eve of active hostilities, but after the Kherson region, it is still disturbing to read such news.
https://t.me/TXDPR/6700

Posted by: unimperator | May 6 2023 10:38 utc | 289

Another terrorist atack, this time against Zakhar Prilepin, excellent writer, friend of the late Darya Dugina and Limonov, Prigozhin has an encouraging message for him since it seems the terrorist atack failed to take his life, he might be injured though, we’ll find out later. Goes to show who is the side that is fighting for TOTAL victory, no arrangements, no deals, we’re tired to hear how the west is not agreement capable, so go for it till the end, there is no alternative, it is either that or the dissapearence of Russia as we know it, following the very well known pattern of the USSR and Yugoslavia.

Posted by: Paco | May 6 2023 10:38 utc | 290

Paco | May 6 2023 10:23 utc | 290
Something going on but best to watch and wait. Wagner was hit hard by the US when they crossed the river in Syria but there was no noise.
Russia is in Ukraine to destroy Nato. Sit back and watch.
A troll using my username makes it a bit hard to comment. Hopefully b will take out the trash shortly.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2023 10:43 utc | 291

Two months ago, Defense Politics Asia, shouted with exclamations that a mass withdrawal from Bakhmut had started, “Mass Ukrainian Withdrawal NOW Underway!!!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_-OUlpR-k&t=10s
In fact, it wasn’t. And two months later the battlelines are still in Bakhmut. Russia has spent two months and has not yet conquered a smaller city.
Heck, and now Wagner talks about withdrawal and the Russians are bracing for a counteroffensive. Guess Zellie knew what he was doing, to not give up in Bakhmut.
Paging Scott Ritter and Doug Macgregor.
Something to think about if you just get your news from sources that tell you what you want to hear…

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6 2023 10:48 utc | 292

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2023 1:42 utc | 205
Thanks, karlof1 for that representation. I haven’t been through the entire thread here, just scrolling up on this mid-moon-night currently. Before I slept I did go to the most recent Duran conversations on the subject, and I’d say they covered all the bases. Mercouris even touched on my own thoughts, which were about other similar cases, Strelkov being one. And I would suggest MacArthur as well, perhaps, too, Patton. I know those were regular army, but still war does this to people, private army or not. We do know this.
The human psyche is not as strong as we would like to have it be, and I have suggested in the past to be very careful of videos. Prolonged exposure to atrocities visually speaking is very hard on everyone’s balance; several posters here whose input I value seem to have lost their way, not just the trolls among us of whom there are many. Please don’t subject yourself to this personal torture. We need to stay above the fray to be able to comment objectively, and videos don’t help with that.

Posted by: juliania | May 6 2023 10:48 utc | 293

This Bakhmut-Prighozin-Kadyrov-May 10th-pullout thing is really getting corny/laughable. Talk about play-acting!
Wagners and Akhmat Sila don’t just pop in and out of battle theatres according to their matey whims. They are subcontractors to Moscow. They are placed by MoD where best fits their war strategies. The whole thing is part of maskirovka, a psyop for the Ukies.
Imo, the MoD has a sneaky new mission for Wagners just around the corner. The Chechens finishing off Bakhmut and staying around with the RF Army to resist any new pushback by AFU and maybe push west is one game plan.
Meanwhile, Wagners will regroup, and pop up, say, coming south into Kharkiv from Belgorod; or an amphibios drop off into Odessa; or airdrop into Transnistria; or drive into Kiev from Belarus. Wagners are only 50,000 out of 500,000 pawns in the big game of SMO. They’ll go where/when most needed.
They need a BIG FUCKING PAT ON THE BACK for their stellar mission in Bakhmut, a little R&R, and then back to business. And Prighozin told to stfu a bit … like Kadyrov was after Mariupol!

Posted by: The Dolphin | May 6 2023 10:51 utc | 294

I tend to see it like
shadowbanned | May 6 2023 8:59 utc | 273

You see how the war is (not) fought now because powerful sections of the Russian elite want to go back to the times of happy luxurious living in the West paid for by uncontrolled looting internally.

So there would be high Russian officials, supported by the West, working to sabotage the SMO. Such as by limiting ammunition deliveries to Wagner, as Prigozhin has been claiming for weeks. Shoigu denies this is happening, but if Prigozhin is right, Shoigu (and others) might just be traitors. Which reminded me of the comment that one Igor Vuksanovic posted here on April 3rd, and I’ll repost some excerpts of it:

Guys, do you realize that almost nobody in Russia is as naively optimistic as you? (…)
Here, I ought to explain the two dominant views on the war among the Russian war bloggers. In short, the optimists believe that the war is being fought badly and that the leadership made many mistakes, but that victory is still within Russia’s grasp. For the longest time, I was firmly in this camp. This comes off as strange to the Westerner because they are not aware of any constructive criticisms whatsoever of the Kremlin because they only read people like Lira, Saker, Macgregor, Ritter and other mindless cheerleaders. (…)
Now, the pessimists believe that the war is being fought badly and that the leadership are traitors or that a significant portion of them are – enough to sabotage the war effort anyways. I have come around to this view in recent months myself. (…)
Posted by: IGOR VUKSANOVIĆ | Apr 3 2023 9:10 utc | 212

There is a tendency to disqualify such posters as “trolls”, but this is not what I’m doing – they bring in information worth considering, if only as a “working hypothesis” that may (and I hope: will) be refuted.

Posted by: grunzt | May 6 2023 10:57 utc | 295

> This was the rant of a man filled with hate
At some point the loyal fans of Mr. Putin need to reflect on the man and just who he attracts and grooms as his inner circle.
This man reflects the true nature of V. Putin, and the sort of Russians that always end up in power in Roo-siah. There are exceptinal Russians, with fine sensitivies and humanity, but alas this type NEVER ends up in power in Russia.
So this vile man is just lifting the skirt on the psyche of the Russian imperialists. Not pretty, agreed.
In other news, someone is claiming they have shot down a Kinzhal.

Posted by: passingthrough | May 6 2023 10:59 utc | 296

too scents @ 284
So you had an opportunity to learn something and decided it was more fun to snicker. Well played.
These embarrassments are also a reserve army of operatives, blindly loyal when family takes them back. Obama kept washing out of law firms because of sheer sloth. Too many young boys and too much cocaine. They made him President.
I have known scions as well. One of them died of hunger and exposure. Learned a lot from that man.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 6 2023 11:06 utc | 297

The issue of the bio-weapons labs in Ukraine hasn’t gone away.
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 6 2023 10:23 utc | 291
Won’t go away. Observe that Russia can’t get anyone to close US biolabs, not even their fake allies. Why China doesn’t recognize Donbass part of Russia? Why does Lula want Donbass given to Ukr? Why did China, Kazakhstan, Armenia and most of UN recently approved resolution calling Russia an aggressor? Why India has not yet switched to national currencies in trade with Russia? they’re pretending to be negotiating for a long time now, so they get cheap energy to sell to EU becoming EU’s no.1 source, but that’s all, they want dollars. Why S.A. hasn’t quit ICC when they expect Putin for BRICS meeting? He won’t go so they basically SA didn’t allow his visit by taking ICC side. It’s simple, because no one even in BRICS wants to be on the losing side.

Posted by: rk | May 6 2023 11:07 utc | 298

…Meanwhile, Wagners will regroup, and pop up, say, coming south into Kharkiv from Belgorod;…
Posted by: The Dolphin | May 6 2023 10:51 utc | 300
and save G Lira!
But back to the question I posited earlier – “Why would an attacking force (Wagner) ever undertake any movement without knowing beforehand they had enough firepower?”

Posted by: Ново з | May 6 2023 11:15 utc | 299

…Meanwhile, Wagners will regroup, and pop up, say, coming south into Kharkiv from Belgorod;…
Posted by: The Dolphin | May 6 2023 10:51 utc | 300
and save G Lira!
But back to the question I posited earlier – “Why would an attacking force (Wagner) ever undertake any movement without knowing beforehand they had enough firepower?”

Posted by: Ново з | May 6 2023 11:15 utc | 300