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May 5, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-107
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Only peripherally Ukraine related, but… It is suddenly (within the past week) being reported that a Russian “special vessel” was seen near the Nord Stream pipelines a few days before the pipelines were blown up. I assume that this is propaganda. Why so long to report it if it is true? Anybody have better information about this?
Posted by: Cesar Jepardy | May 5 2023 15:58 utc | 2
I just listened to Mark Sleboda on The New Atlas and as he always does, he informs and clarifies the current happenings in Ukraine and Russia including the current drama with the leader of Wagner. It worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwRF7FYWIyI
Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 5 2023 15:58 utc | 3
Wagner is leaving Bakhmut. Basically, Bakhmut’s ‘meat grinder’, which was supposed to wear out the Ukrainian army, ended up wearing out the Russian one. At this point we must admit that Zelly or whoever convinced him to resist to the bitter end were right. A disturbing analogy with the Battle of Verdun, conceived by the Germans to make a meat grinder for the French army, but which ended up mincing them.
Posted by: mauro | May 5 2023 16:02 utc | 4
The USA always liquidates its lackeys when they reach their sell by date. Kennedy had Diem and his brother Nhu, killed on Nov 2, 1963 because the Diem regime (particularly Nhu) were edging towards a settlement with the communist north.
Posted by: Jason | May 5 2023 16:06 utc | 5
Mauro-
You must be new, and just a contract creep.
If you were employed by an agency, I assume you’d have enough talent to produce something at least somewhat plausible…
LOL!
Posted by: Robert Hope | May 5 2023 16:08 utc | 6
Every “real” analyst Ive listened to agrees that Comedian and his regime are done.
Mostly because the Russian population is enraged. I dont think the Russian population would allow any negotiation with Comedian or his crew at the table.
Comedian is basically the European Guaido now. He will travel around the world as a puppet, embarrassing himself and Ukraine in the process. He might go back to Ukraine but will not stay there for too long at a time, likely be a traveling salesman always looking behind his shoulder because he most likely will end up liquidated by Russia, his Masters the US or his own people.
It will be intetesting to see how countries like China, India or Africa, South America treat this clown now. Since Russia has basically named him a Terrorist on the Run.
Posted by: Comandante | May 5 2023 16:08 utc | 7
The whole Ukraine thing is just a part of the bigger plan of the Satanic globalist elites of pushing the world to WW3 so they can implement their NWO, One World Government. You need to look at the bigger picture. Cheering on either Russia or the West is counterproductive, we are all being led by puppets on both sides who do the bidding of the real ruling class (aka. Rothschilds, Rockefellers and so forth, the Illuminati.)
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:09 utc | 8
Wagner is leaving Bakhmut. Basically, Bakhmut’s ‘meat grinder’, which was supposed to wear out the Ukrainian army, ended up wearing out the Russian one. At this point we must admit that Zelly or whoever convinced him to resist to the bitter end were right. A disturbing analogy with the Battle of Verdun, conceived by the Germans to make a meat grinder for the French army, but which ended up mincing them.
Posted by: mauro | May 5 2023 16:02 utc | 5
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ROTFLMAO!!! Are these AI bots SERIOUS??? Oh, well, the things we do for amusement here at the bar…..
Posted by: Garry Owen | May 5 2023 16:11 utc | 9
@Cesar Jepardy 2
why only now being discussed I don´t know.
I assume, nobody asked.
(It is remarkable that before Hersh those insulting him now had no idea of their own. Now they follow his idea and simply disown him.)
What there is, is mere speculation.
Not even circumstantial evidence so far.
None that would come close to Hersh´s.
(Like: If there was a boat that could have done any such thing in theory, like having an undersea robot on board, and that would happen to be of Russian ownership – bam, thats a reason!)
Not to speak of the zero incentive – RU destroying its own pipelines.
But alas, we have gone over this million times.
People who are dumb stay dumb.
Posted by: AG | May 5 2023 16:11 utc | 10
I don’t recall seeing this on the last thread, which is part of a statement Kadyrov wrote on his Telegram:
Forwarded from
Slavyangrad (Миша Бурый)
An attack on the Kremlin is nothing more than a provocation and a compulsion to more massive actions – a favorite technique of modern hybrid wars and Western generals, the results of which are beneficial for the provocateurs themselves.
The chain of subsequent statements and veiled stuffing in the media were supposed to hurt the ambitions of the organizers and push the Supreme Commander of Russia to more large-scale and brutal actions in Ukraine, for example, mass carpet bombing of cities. This would be followed by regular articles about injured civilians and similar pro-liberal statements about the aggressor country from the mouth of the Kiev Nazis.
I admire the restraint and wisdom of Vladimir Vladimirovich, who did not succumb to this vile provocation. But the organizers will have to answer for this act, no matter what hemisphere of the Earth they are on. Let not today, not tomorrow, but those involved in this action will suffer a just, deserved punishment. In the meantime, it’s too early. It is too early, because justice in the world community today is buried by the interests of the aggressor country, the only one of its kind in the world, which has been bending the institutions of independence, interests and rights of other countries for years. [My Emphasis]
Here’s the rest of Kadyrov’s statement. Emphasis Original:
One of the tasks of modern Russia and its allies is to restore the world’s institutions of justice so that they become unbiased and independent again. This will definitely happen and, finally, the end of unipolarity and the puppet of entire countries will come. Then there will be a full-fledged demand from each participant, performer and organizer.
Therefore, today the provocation should not and will not change the scenario of the planned course of the special military operation. Yes, this is an attack on the president, and therefore on the state and, as a result, on the entire people of the Russian Federation. But this should not affect our conceived plans and interests. And retribution, of course, will be. And it will be surgically and jewelerically precise.
Wagner is leaving Bakhmut. Basically, Bakhmut’s ‘meat grinder’, which was supposed to wear out the Ukrainian army, ended up wearing out the Russian one. At this point we must admit that Zelly or whoever convinced him to resist to the bitter end were right. A disturbing analogy with the Battle of Verdun, conceived by the Germans to make a meat grinder for the French army, but which ended up mincing them.
Posted by: mauro | May 5 2023 16:02 utc | 5
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Uh… what?
Ukrainians have worn down whom ?
Man oh man… a bit overslept the last few weeks…???
With a ratio of 1 to 7 in favor of Wagner and RF, who has worn whom down?
drunk or what???
Posted by: mo3 | May 5 2023 16:15 utc | 12
Only peripherally Ukraine related, but… It is suddenly (within the past week) being reported that a Russian “special vessel” was seen near the Nord Stream pipelines a few days before the pipelines were blown up. I assume that this is propaganda. Why so long to report it if it is true? Anybody have better information about this?
Posted by: Cesar Jepardy | May 5 2023 15:58 utc | 2
By the standard of truth, it is not propaganda. Probably true. They are bringing it up now because they are fishing around for some way to blame the Russians for blowing up the pipeline. Our side is such a bunch of liars that I find it tiresome.
Posted by: Jmaas | May 5 2023 16:16 utc | 13
I watched the two Prigozhin videos, the bodies laid out one and the threat to pull out on May 10, he’s extremely emotional, seems very convincing. But it’s so out of character for the Russian military or any military but hey, it’s 2023, social media and an all new hyper wanky humanity, so, who the hell knows anymore.
I’ll note that the bodies video is at night, ok, night to protect Prigozhin from enemy intel and drones, but it could also be to obscure a big pile of actual AFU dead with a few Wagner bodies in the fore front. I’ll also note that both vids remind me very, very much of professional wrestling melodrama, when the manager jumps into the ring in a rage that his fighter was obviously the victim of some illegal move but the ref pretended nothing happened, turning to the crowd, inflamed, arms gesticulating in the air, winding the audience up to the blatant injustice being perpetrated. The system is rigged!
Kayfabe? I don’t know, seems pretty real but I’m not a wrestling fan, bet it seems totally real to the fans. Real or fake what I don’t get is who is stuff for? If fake UK/USA military intelligence??? Maybe it’s an attempt to lure the remaining AFU fighters in Artemivsk out from their last defensive strongholds into an attack and into the open? I don’t think soldiers in the field are suckers for kayfabe, you would think life and death sharpens one’s instincts.
I watched the New Atlas, Sleboda also thinks it’s all kayfabe.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 5 2023 16:17 utc | 14
Just reported on Russian Telegraph channels…
Gonzalo Lira arrested by the SBU for anti-Ukrainian truths.
Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 5 2023 16:20 utc | 15
If you read the latest BMA analysis, Aleks did kind of predict a Ukrainian counter-offensive taking place in Bakhmut which if left unchecked, could present a danger to Wagner. In any case, these are the last throws of dice for Ukraine. Bakhmut achieved preventing creating a buffer of cannon fodder for the offensive in the south.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/operational-update-4
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 16:22 utc | 16
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 16:22 utc | 19
There are only some blocks remaining in Bakhmut, they will take them and bomb them out and RU army will take over in defending Bakhmut.
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 16:25 utc | 17
It’s not just your side. It’s both sides. They’re framing the West as the baddies (the Western leaders are in on it) and the East the good guys (they’re also in on it) so that when the Third World War comes, and the East wins (as they have planned), you will take up communism more willingly under a One World Government. You’ll also all be microchipped and cash is taken out of the system, so if you doth protest too much of these evil scum at the top (not your leaders, your leaders leaders) they will just freeze your bank account and you’ll starve to death. Wake up people, time is short… Both sides (the leaders) are in on this. It’s all a theater. Your leaders are only puppets, and the puppet masters are pulling the strings from up high behind closed doors. The Satanic banking cabal, the Illuminati. You really don’t have much time to wake the fuck up… But keep on cheering either side of this conflict, I bet it feels good to be on the “good/winning side”.. You’re all losers in the end.
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:25 utc | 18
Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 5 2023 16:20 utc | 18
Gonzalo arrested again? why he didn’t leave the country after his first arrest
Posted by: publicdisorder | May 5 2023 16:28 utc | 19
If Prigozhin is faking it in that video with the dead bodies, then he is a damn good actor. Seemed authentic to me. As for the pullout, I don’t think that means an automatic retreat for the Russians. Apparently the army troops own the access routes, and if Z-man wants to keep the meat grinder going, why not?
Posted by: Jmaas | May 5 2023 16:30 utc | 20
Yeah kind of strange he didn’t leave the country after his first arrest. Like, if you’re critical of a country you’re living in while it’s at war, get arrested, and after that still keep up with with what you’re doing, that’s just illogical. Unless it’s, again, all a theater.
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:31 utc | 21
Chechens to the rescue.
“🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦Ramzan Kadyrov says Chechen forces will replace Wagner in Bakhmut
Ramzan Kadyrov statement:
“I am addressing Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and creator of the Wagner PMC.
It is unpleasant for me, as for everyone who is not indifferent to the fate of our country, to hear the latest statements of Yevgeny Viktorovich, and it is doubly unpleasant that the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense does not comment or does not meet with the leadership of the Wagner PMC to make any decision or clarification. After all, Prigozhin deserves respect for the invaluable contribution of the Wagnerites to the liberation of the cities of Donbass. If there is a shortage, then it is necessary to explain, show, on the basis of which the commanders will at least correct the further tactics of the Wagner units, not relying on artillery.
I recall the experience of the Chechen units in Mariupol. When it took five tanks from the Ministry of Defense to support the infantry, we were able to provide only one, the combat crew of which left the vehicle in the very first battle. Then the tankers had to be calmed down, set up for battle and put back into the combat vehicle so that they would cover at least one position of the Azov Satanists with volleys. There were also problems with other equipment. Since the beginning of the SVO, we could not replace 30 artillery guns. I personally called Moscow, talked to the commanders, commanders, superiors. A month later the problem was solved. Yes, it didn’t work on the first call. But our units did not record videos, they did not give a pleasant informational occasion to the enemy.
… By the way, filming the bodies of dead comrades for the sake of public outcry … is wrong. Let’s never do that…
In the zone of responsibility, for example, Apta Alaudinov, my dear brother, the commander of the Akhmat special forces, the deputy commander of the 2nd Army Corps of the RF Armed Forces, more than a hundred kilometers of the line of contact with the enemy. Not a day goes by that he doesn’t have problems. But not once did Apty Aronovich declare this publicly via the Internet, but only through internal communication with the leadership. I note that the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, with rare exceptions, have always met the Chechen units and helped. And misunderstandings are always present in ordinary civilian life, not to mention the war, where there is ALWAYS not enough ammunition! I really hope that Sergei Kuzhugetovich will listen to my call and an order will be given to the General Staff to go to the place and sort things out. This is the only and soldierly correct way out of the situation.
Chechen units fought side by side with the Wagnerites in the most difficult areas in Popasnaya, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk and other settlements of Donbass. Together they performed a sacred duty to the Motherland without division into nationalities or faith. The interests of the state and the security of the country must come first. And when the SVO ends, I would like all of us to be winners, every fighter, every commander, every Russian patriot. Together.
Yes, if older brother Prigozhin and “Wagner” leave, then the General Staff will lose an experienced combat unit, and his younger brother Kadyrov and “Akhmat” will come to his place in Artyomovsk. If the scenario is still like this, then our fighters are ready to advance and occupy the city. It’s a matter of hours. But I would like us to take the remaining two kilometers of the city not at the cost of the lives of soldiers, but as a result of mutual understanding, support, determination of the command and fighters to fulfill the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Russia Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.”
https://t.me/llordofwar/133903
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 16:32 utc | 22
Wagner is leaving Bakhmut. Basically, Bakhmut’s ‘meat grinder’, which was supposed to wear out the Ukrainian army, ended up wearing out the Russian one. At this point we must admit that Zelly or whoever convinced him to resist to the bitter end were right. A disturbing analogy with the Battle of Verdun, conceived by the Germans to make a meat grinder for the French army, but which ended up mincing them.
Posted by: mauro | May 5 2023 16:02 utc | 4
The regular Russian army has been mostly absent since Lisichansk other than defending Kherson for a bit and then doing an unsuccessful small-scale offensive at Ugledar.
Nothing has been worn out.
This is the really scary part, because it can mean one of two things:
1) It has been held in reserve because they know NATO will enter directly eventually
2) They will commit treason and forfeit without a fight.
Either possibility is extremely unpleasant.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 5 2023 16:32 utc | 23
Why is Lira living in Ukraine in the first place? He’s not a native Ukrainian, is he? Why choose to live in Ukraine of all places? And then spout pro-Russia propaganda from there? Nothing about that makes any sense.
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:33 utc | 24
🧩🟢🧩 Zelensky flips the board.
The president’s office came up with a cunning plan that completely changes the course of the war: “Ukraine in NATO the day after the end of the war”🧩
During the current visits to European countries, Zelensky demands at the July summit of the alliance to make a political decision on the admission of Ukraine to NATO after the war, roughly speaking on the “next day”.
The logic of the OP is as follows: if you say that you are ready to take Ukraine into NATO after the end of the conflict, fix it today, before the end of the conflict.
But it is the replacement of the sequence that completely changes the logic of events.
Very similar to the Second Minsk agreements: the border the day after the elections. Only here it will be: NATO the day after the end of the conflict.
Thus, Ze will turn the board over. In the event of a political commitment to the delayed admission of a country to NATO Ze:
✅ Will deprive internal competitors of the argument of the senselessness of the year of the war after Istanbul-1;
✅ Will break the peacekeeping game of the Russian Federation-PRC. Now it will not be profitable for them to reconcile “on the current”.
If NATO countries take such a step, it will completely change the situation of the parties to the conflict and geopolitical players (we will write about this separately).
Stopping hostilities in this scenario will not be a political defeat, but Zelensky’s salvation and main interest ☝️So he:
✅ will ensure the protection of the remaining territory by the NATO umbrella;
✅ the counteroffensive ceases to be necessary at all❗️;
✅ will provide political VOICE in the form of NATO. Just like Poroshenko’s visa-free and associated membership in the EU after the Euromaidan.
What territory will the NATO umbrella cover? To control! For several years now, ex-NATO Secretary General Rasmussen has been tinkering with this idea. He proposes to take Ukraine and Georgia into NATO within government-controlled borders.
And who has Rasmussen been advising since last year? That’s right, Ermaka 🧩
Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President is forced to move to such a strategy, due to the position of the US/Germany on Ukraine’s membership in NATO.
At Bankova, they understand that in the summer we will not be accepted into the Alliance, and we need international victories, on which the motivation of Ukrainian society also depends.
Ukraine will be hit hard if our strategy is not supported, which is why Zelensky is now on tour to get concrete solutions from NATO countries.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17617
Posted by: Down South | May 5 2023 16:33 utc | 25
Posted by: Comandante | May 5 2023 16:08 utc | 8
While I’d like to believe that the Z-man would become a man without a country, I have yet to hear a single place in the Global South denounce the Kremlin drone thing. Don’t underestimate our boy. The play may have another act left before he goes “exit stage left.”
Posted by: Chris | May 5 2023 16:33 utc | 26
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 5 2023 16:32 utc | 25
P.S. Because I see that Kadyrov has chimed in now too, notice how there were many videos of thousands of Chechen fighters training in Chechnya, then leaving for the front lines, but no Chechens have been seen on the front for nearly a year. Where are they? Same thing for the regular army.
The air and missile strikes are also nothing like on the scale the Russian army is supposed to be capable of.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 5 2023 16:35 utc | 27
Chechen troops will replace Wagner PMC units in Bakhmut, says Ramazan Kadyrov.
Here’s the full statement from Kadyrov:
I appeal to the Minister of Defense, Sergey Shoygu, the Chief of General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, and the founder of the PMC “Wagner”.
I, like everyone not indifferent to the fate of our country, hate to hear the latest statements by Yevgeny Viktorovich, and it is doubly unpleasant that the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense does not comment or does not meet with the leadership of the “Wagner” PMC to make any decision or clarification. After all, Prigozhin deserves respect for the invaluable contribution of the Wagnerians to the liberation of the cities of Donbass.
If there is a shortage, then it is necessary to explain and show, on the basis of which the commanders will at least adjust the further tactics of the Wagner units, without relying on artillery.
I recall the experience of Chechen units in Mariupol. When we needed five tanks from the Ministry of Defense to support the infantry, we could only be allocated one, whose crew left the vehicle in the first battle. The tankers then had to be reassured, tuned up for combat, and put back in the vehicle so that they could cover at least one position of the Azov Satanists with salvos. There were problems with other equipment as well. We have not been able to replace 30 artillery cannons since the beginning of the SMO. I personally called Moscow and talked to commanders and superiors. In a month, the problem was solved. Yes, it did not work on the first call. But our units did not record the clips either; they did not give the enemy pleasant informational victory.
… By the way, it is not right to film the bodies of killed comrades-in-arms for the sake of public outcry is wrong.Let us never do that.
For example, the area of responsibility of Apta Alaudinov, my dear brother, commander of special forces “AKHMAT” and deputy commander of the 2nd army corps of the Russian Armed Forces, includes more than a hundred kilometers of the line of contact with the enemy. Not a day goes by that he does not have problems. But not once has Apty Aronovich announced it publicly over the Internet, but only through internal communication with the leadership. I should note that, with rare exceptions, the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff were always accommodating and helpful to Chechen units. And there are always misunderstandings in ordinary civilian life, not to mention the war, where there is always a shortage of ammunition! I do hope my appeal will be heeded by Sergey Kuzugetovich and that an order will be given to the General Staff to go there and sort it out. It is the only correct way out of the situation, in a soldier’s way.
Chechen units fought side by side with the Wagnerians in the most difficult areas in Popasna, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, and other settlements in Donbass.Together, they fulfilled their sacred duty to the motherland without distinction of nationality or faith. The interests of the state and the security of the country must come first. And when the SMO is over, I would like all of us—every fighter, every commander, every Russian patriot—to be the winners. Together.
Yes, if the older brother Prigozhin and the Wagner leave, the General Staff will lose an experienced combat unit, and the younger brother Kadyrov and the Akhmat will take his place in Artemovsk. If the scenario nevertheless plays out that way, our fighters are already ready to move in and occupy the city. It’s a matter of hours. But we would like to take the remaining two kilometers of the city, not at the cost of soldiers’ lives but as a result of the mutual understanding, support, and determination of the commanders and fighters to carry out the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/44662
Posted by: Down South | May 5 2023 16:35 utc | 28
” One of the tasks of modern Russia and its allies is to restore the world’s institutions of justice so that they become unbiased and independent again.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2023 16:15 utc | 12 ”
When was this golden era of world justice ? I scanned history books and cant seem to find it.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 16:36 utc | 29
” One of the tasks of modern Russia and its allies is to restore the world’s institutions of justice so that they become unbiased and independent again.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2023 16:15 utc | 12 ”
When was this golden era of world justice ? I scanned history books and cant seem to find it.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 16:36 utc | 30
@ Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:33 utc | 24
Lira is a professional sexual harasser and probably finds the situation in Ukraine, with a bunch of men being shipped to the front and their wives left behind, very amenable.
Posted by: fnord | May 5 2023 16:40 utc | 31
“Ukrainian armed forces are accumulating personnel, including foreign mercenaries and equipment, in the Kharkov Region – Vitaly Ganchev, the head of the region’s Russian military-civilian administration”
Posted by: rk | May 5 2023 16:41 utc | 32
Posted by: fnord | May 5 2023 16:40 utc | 31
I see. Any ways, he’s a shill just like the Western media is, just for the opposite sides that are both being puppeteered by the real rulers of the world.
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:44 utc | 33
First of two SitRep collections is available.
https://askeptic.substack.com/p/battlefield-update-2023-05-05-1
I don’t think this is simply a political stunt by Prigozhin. He has more to gain as a hero than as a critic of the Kremlin in the middle of a war. It is suggested that Wagner is being intentionally starved for ammo as a means of reducing its influence, but that is also hard to believe, as they are in the Russian media spotlight
Those who believe the official statements of both sides seem to come up with 5D chess narratives to explain away what on the surface appears to be total clusterfucks. But maybe that is just what it is, a huge clusterfuck that highlights the absence of the Russian army in this SloMo war? I don’t believe any official reports anymore.
What puzzles me is why the Russian army has not committed troops to the fighting in any large scale way, that the heavy lifting seems to have been left up to private military contractors, who, according to their leader, are being slowly hung out to dry. How does this benefit the Russian cause, and does it not stoke Russian nationalist ire to the point of boiling?
Perhaps the Russians did plan for war of attrition that they knew the US/NATO could not win because the offshored US/NATO industrial base precluded any ability to keep up with industrial-warfare-scale arms production. But if the Russian leadership thought that this would prevent the war from continually escalating, they were wrong. And I doubt the insane, incompetent Western leadership will be convinced by anything other than their own propaganda; they have doubled-down to the point where there is no chance they will “declare victory” and back down.
Posted by: Perimetr | May 5 2023 16:47 utc | 35
I guess someone has to say it, but isnt timing everything ? First the
” attack ” on the Kremlin and now the Wagner announcement. Those two things combined dont put Russia’s potions in a good light to the average uninformed observer. Could be coincidence, but if a third unfortunate development occurs I would be very suspect.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 16:47 utc | 36
I should have included the Donbas militias when I mentioned who the heaving fighting has been left to.
Posted by: Perimetr | May 5 2023 16:48 utc | 37
Down South | May 5 2023 16:33 utc | 25
That story Ukr is propagating has circular logic. And is against Russia’s public plans of not having nato in Ukr from which they barely control only 20-30%. It’s not like Lvov becomes part of nato and no one cares, 80% of Ukr is like 100%. They need to hire new propagandists, these are tired. They could simply say Zely/US are in a tour looking for other kamikazes to die for them or just money, that would be true. EU approved today 1bn from “peace fund” for Zely
Posted by: rk | May 5 2023 16:48 utc | 38
This is supposed to be the recent arrest of Lira by the infamous SBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UtfkNZ17xc
Is that him really?
I still don’t understand why he could freely post pro-Russian content on the internet if indeed he lives in Kharkov as he claims. And then, last year’s story about his arrest by the SBU and his release after a few days, just to become even more popular on the web and getting more followers. This all seems so illogical and unlikely.
Posted by: Gunthar | May 5 2023 16:52 utc | 41
Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 16:36 utc | 29
You do seem to have deplorable ways commissar. Read a bit of history.Read a bit of tech. Russia and China. Two of the great powers that have never conducted genocides.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2023 16:52 utc | 42
Lira has been AWOL for a couple weeks, I was getting curious, I followed his youtubes from the beginning, his last few round table vids have been worthy. I never understood why he stayed in Kharkov, he got there fleeing Kiev early on to join his family but I think got stuck there and never met up with them.
He was arrested over a year ago but was quickly and painlessly released, maybe high up connections in the west. However, he totally stopped going outside walk and talk style. I figured he was under house arrest, home alone too long. His overly demonstrative chain smoking seemed like a cry for help. He had a more than a streak of egotistic self destruction. Hope he’s well, he was more honest than necessary and with a powerful bullshit detector.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 5 2023 16:54 utc | 43
When you are near look like you are far. When you are far look like you are near. When you are weak look like you are strong. When you are strong look like you are weak. Prighozin was moving out of Bakhmut by the 10th of May anyway. He probably wanted it all sorted by then – and he may well do so. Three days to go.
Russians/Muscovites watching the drone taken out were very impressed.
More confirmation that a Ukrainian top commander went to see Allah from Wagner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1OTKWpsXho
Posted by: Chris | May 5 2023 17:00 utc | 45
Regarding Gonzalo Lira, just fyi…
His wife is Ukrainian and that is how he ended up there.
After his first arrest he was forbidden to leave the Ukraine.
He is not a Russian propagandist. While certainly flawed in many ways, Gonzalo is usually on point with his criticisms which of course means many of his comments were very critical of Ukraine and the west in general. As they should be….
Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 5 2023 17:00 utc | 47
Trolls doing some mutual masturbation over Lira getting arrested by Nazis.
Make note of them, folks. Don’t let situations like this where the paid trolls out themselves go to waste.
Posted by: William Gruff | May 5 2023 17:02 utc | 48
Name-calling is not needed here. I liked Lira as much as the next guy, but he already got arrested before. I can’t imagine it is that hard to get out of Kharkhiv if he really wanted to. There must be an active underground of Russian sympathizers that could have helped him escape to Russia.
Or, he could have just played it safe and kept quiet. I wish him the best of luck.
Posted by: Chris | May 5 2023 17:06 utc | 49
I think it’d maskirovka and Prighozin seems to be doing a masterful job, the TrollTeam is sure taking the bait.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 5 2023 17:06 utc | 50
SBU detained Chilean blogger and journalist Gonzalo Lear in Kharkiv
He was taken into custody
Blogger and writer Gonzalo Lira , who covered events in Ukraine , was detained by the SBU in Kharkov . He is accused of “justifying Russian aggression” and “discrediting” the Armed Forces of Ukraine .
The journalist is also charged with filming “provocative videos” . In them, he allegedly tried to “light up” the faces of the Ukrainian military.
Posted by: Apollyon | May 5 2023 17:08 utc | 51
Just like the Second Chechen War, a false flag attack is used to galvanize the public for an offensive.
They’ve been planning this offensive for over 6 months now. Anyone who can do the math can see.
And finances have been great at predicting what will happen in this war.
Finances proved that Russia had been rearming for years and finances showed how many Russians were being KIA. Finances also showed when the offensive was about to begin.
Prigozhin is just misdirecting the West. Maybe he is being starved of ammo… but that’s only because the Russians are about to go on the offensive.
Nicolai Lilin explains Prigozhin’s reasons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FMSAo31ffs
Video in Italian.
Nicolai Lilin is an Italian citizen, born in Trasnistria, Siberian origins, participated in the Second Chechen War.
Posted by: git | May 5 2023 17:13 utc | 53
Perimetr | May 5 2023 16:47 utc | 35
US and its vassals are going all out to defeat Wagner. And the Rus military is waiting and watching. That has to really fuck with American minds. The cook like Medvedev is twisting the thumb screws. The US puts up Sylvester Stalion. Putin Hits the yanks with the cook.
Naked gun. That bloke with glasses askew from a serious wanking session. I look at America and that is what I see.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2023 17:15 utc | 54
Naked Gun and Hot Shots. Biden is a 100% real life president Benson from the movie youtube.com/watch?v=J4wUBj7931c
Posted by: rk | May 5 2023 17:19 utc | 55
@karlof1 | May 5 2023 16:15 utc | 11
Kadyrov’s statement on the drone attack on the Kremlin.
The aim of all Western provocations is to disrupt Russian planning. To make Russia stop doing what it is successfully doing and instead do something else that may not be as successful.
A provocation thus means that the the current course of action is working. But on the other hand, provocations must be responded to, if not fully, then at least a half a tit for tat. My recommendation used to be — as if anyone was following my recommendations – to send five T-72 tanks to the Donbass militia for small provocations and ten T-72 tanks for large provocations.
Kadyrov is now saying the same thing. Victory is the ultimate revenge.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 5 2023 17:19 utc | 56
negotiations ?
NO there will be no more !!
Abstract :
What are the implications of peace talks now, including a ceasefire?
Between 20,000 – 30,000 Russians (Russian Army + Donbass Militia + Wagner) died for a small strip of land in east and south Ukraine.
The threat against Russia would remain. In fact, it would be an even greater threat since Ukraine would join NATO immediately after hostilities ended. It doesn’t matter what treaties Ukraine would sign. For example, NOT joining NATO. Ukraine would join NATO the next day. The threat against Russia would still exist. In fact, it would be an even bigger threat because Ukraine would join NATO right after the conclusion of hostilities. It doesn’t matter what treaties Ukraine would sign. For example, to NOT join NATO. Ukraine would join NATO the next day.
Negotiations were possible until the end of phase 1. After all the blood, equipment, and political/economic capital invested, there is no going back. Only the complete achievement of all goals is a real option. President Putin has invested Russia’s entire nation in building a multipolar world order. Anything that is being negotiated in Ukraine now would be the end of this project and Russia. It would mean that the West is still able to dictate outcomes and terms. Negotiations were possible until the end of Phase 1. After all that has been invested in blood, equipment, and political/economical capital, there is no way back. Only the full achievement of all goals is a real option. President Putin invested Russia’s whole nation in the building of a multipolar world order. Anything negotiated now in Ukraine would be the end of this project and Russia. It would mean that the West is still able to dictate outcomes and terms.
And for what should Ukraine negotiate exactly?
The implementation of the draft treaty for European security?
NATO policy?NATO policy?
Denazification? Denazification?
Demilitarization?Demilitarization?
With which authority? Ukraine cannot decide anything about itself. How should they negotiate the security of Europe and NATO? With which authority? Ukraine can’t decide a thing about itself. How should they negotiate about European and NATO security?
Negotiating such goals WITH Ukraine is pure bullshit. I don’t understand how anyone can ask Ukrainians to sit down and “talk peace”. It’s really hard for me to understand given the facts above. So, negotiating such goals WITH Ukraine is pure bullshit. I don’t get how someone can call for the Ukrainians to sit down and “talk peace”. I really have a hard time understanding that, considering the abovementioned facts.
Negotiations with the West? The carnage between Ukrainians and Russians is a jackpot for the West. They will do everything so that as many troops as possible die on both sides. More Ukrainian mobilizations? Great! More Russian mobilizations? Even bigger. more blood. More scorched earth. As long as it’s sustainable with Western money and equipment, it WILL be sustained. Negotiating with the West? The slaughter between Ukrainians and Russians is a jackpot for the West. They will do everything they can to ensure that as many troops as possible on both sides of the die. Further Ukrainian mobilizations? Great! Further Russian mobilizations? Even greater. More blood. More scorched earth. As long as it is sustainable with Western money and equipment, it WILL BE sustained.
With whom should Russia negotiate?
.
Unfortunately, this will be fought until Ukraine completely collapses and (in the end) most likely disappears. Unfortunately not, because Ukraine will most likely disappear. No, but because of the massive loss of Slav life. against each other. Disgusting.Unfortunately, this will be fought until Ukraine totally collapses and (eventually) most likely disappears. Unfortunate not because Ukraine most likely will disappear. No, but because of the massive loss of Slavic lives. Against each other. Odious.
excerpt end
Posted by: mo3 | May 5 2023 17:21 utc | 57
The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye region will take place in the coming days or hours, said the acting head of the region Yevhen Balitsky.
“According to information from our people in Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and other cities (where) they are fighting against the regime, as well as information from the line of contact, the enemy is pulling up forces. We see this, our drones penetrate to a depth of 150 km into enemy territory, ”he said on the air of Soloviev LIVE.
According to Balitsky, all green spaces and plantings in these areas are now “clogged with Ukrainian equipment and personnel”:
“The enemy is completely evicting the frontline, gray zone, the whole city of Stepnogorsk.”
Earlier today, Balitsky ordered the residents to be taken out of settlements on the frontline territory deep into the region.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/29941
Now would be a perfect time for those missile strikes for disruption.
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 17:23 utc | 58
Lira had a video on his original youtube channel where he dissected the larpers.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2023 17:26 utc | 59
🚨🇺🇦SBU(Security Service of Ukraine) official statement [regarding Gonzalo Lira]:
“The SBU detained a foreign blogger in Kharkov who denied the crimes of the Rashists and insulted Ukrainian defenders
The security service gathered evidence against a foreign blogger who publicly justified the armed aggression of the Russian Federation and spread fakes about the war in Ukraine.
The figure has the citizenship of one of the countries of Latin America, but has been living in Kharkiv for several years.
After the start of the full-scale invasion, the blogger was one of the first to support the Russian invaders and glorify their war crimes.
He also engaged in discrediting the top military and political leadership and the Defense Forces of our state.
It is documented that last spring he personally filmed provocative videos in which he tried to capture the faces of Ukrainian defenders and insulted them.
He published his “streams” on two of his own channels on YouTube and Telegram with a total audience of almost 300,000 subscribers.
In addition, in his comments he denied the facts of Russian missile attacks on Ukrainian cities and mass murders of civilians by rioters.
During searches of the suspect’s residence, mobile phones and a computer with evidence of illegal activity were found.
Examinations initiated by the SBU confirmed the facts of the foreign blogger’s criminal actions.
So far, the investigators of the Security Service have informed him of the suspicion under Art. 2 and 3 Art. 436-2 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (manufacturing and distribution of materials justifying the armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine, committed repeatedly).
The court chose a preventive measure – custody. An investigation is ongoing to establish all the circumstances of the crime.
Complex measures were carried out by SBU employees in the Kharkov region under the procedural guidance of the regional prosecutor’s office.”
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/60608
Posted by: Down South | May 5 2023 17:28 utc | 60
After the sanction tsunami failed and Russia preempted the Ukrainian attack with their SMO the Pentagon turned the hybrid war around on Russia and declared their own SMO. While Russia’s SMO required deescalation the NATO SMO demanded escalation. Don’t mistake the west’s ugliness for stupidity. The important thing to be aware of, and the Russians are sure as hell aware of it, is that there is nothing stopping the USA with NATO from fully attacking Russia. The derided or vaunted Ukraine offensive could be a full on NATO attack, or possibly the vanguard of a full on attack if it proves successful. Russia has no choice but to hold back the majority of their army in Russia, Belarus, and eastern Ukraine to maintain its potential in case NATO goes all in.
Russia does not have to lose 100% of it’s army in Ukraine to lose the war, it only was to lose 10-15% and it will have to abandon the Donbas and pull back to defend pre 2014 boundaries. They are between the hammer and the anvil and using PMCs to hold the hammer up as they build up men, weapons, and munitions and prepare for total war with the west. Anything less would be criminally negligent of the leadership.
The initial phase is coming to an end, the SMO will end with it whether Russia wanted it that way or otherwise, the Ukrainian offensive will fail and some sort of truce will be arranged or phase 2 will be the start of WW3.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 5 2023 17:34 utc | 61
So it looks like Jewlensky is going to be fooled again. This time by Wagner. It’s pretty obvious this is a ruse to fool Bandera militants into attacking again. I really look forward to the eventual collapse of the Nazi front in Donbass after this battle. The militants will route and Russia can finally put the global blood suckers in their grave.
Posted by: FortuneAlpno | May 5 2023 17:44 utc | 62
Some people will never get the game Piroghizin plays even after the 100th time they will still believe it.
Posted by: Rabbit | May 5 2023 17:51 utc | 63
So lavrov says the kremlin drone was a hostile act. Not an act of war. Well here comes the big betrayal and putin organized collapse that won’t stop until russia is “decolonized”.
Sorry barflies but everything says putin betrayed russia and it was for money. That’s all. The 300 billion in foreign reserves that was spread around a bunch of accounts no one can seem to keep track of.
I saw today southfront reported some pretty high losses for russia this past 24 hours and with Wagner trying and failing to reverse course I’m afraid there isn’t much hope.
Too bad, and no I’m not concerned just disappointed that Russia was so weakened by its globalist stooges it could barely function. A nato victory here isn’t going to help anyone it certainly hasn’t helped Ukrainians very much, and the western populace could use some changes as well.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 5 2023 17:57 utc | 64
Neofeudalfuture, understand that Jewish capital also has its dirty fingers inside Russia. Their oligarchs, like Abramovich, who reside in Russia have shown their true colors since the beginning of the fight against Globalism and Nazism. These oligarchs purposely sabotage Russia and collaborate with the West. These are the ones who wish to destroy and fracture Russia into smaller states. Putin is not to blame. He and many other patriotic citizens have been fighting against the globalists for their entire lives. You listen to too much Western propaganda.
Posted by: FortuneAlpno | May 5 2023 18:05 utc | 65
Russian forces are mixed arms formations mostly mechanised….even their airborne units….they concentrate three times the artillery assets compared to comparable NATO unit….all in all massive combined arms armies designed for manoeuvre warfare. A majority of the fighting in the donbas has been fighting in built up area’s….massive well constructed fortified defensive works..in depth and integrated with other mutually supportive
Positions. Light infantry is the only way to clear such features…..so Chechen…. Wagner….. paratroopers and Marines have been the main fighting forces for this reason. This hybrid war of attrition by overwhelming artillery tied into real-time arial surveillance systems seems to be working considering kill ratios. Any information released for public dissemination is manipulated…..it’s theatre for public consumption.
Posted by: Joe | May 5 2023 18:08 utc | 66
I am thinking that the issue with Wagner is that they have no means to replace recruits at the level they need and maybe they have had enough. I gather they were around 5000 to start. Maybe time to swap-out with regular army and give them a break. It seems Priggers take the situation very much to heart – they are his family in a sense (from which he earns income, I suppose).
Posted by: jared | May 5 2023 18:09 utc | 67
@ Neofeudalfuture | May 5 2023 17:57 utc | 64
Could you explain why you see this as a betrayal?
If Russia were to classify this action as an act of war, there would be total mobilization in Russia – or is that assumption wrong? Which in turn would lead to a major offensive (“big arrow”-attacks) or am I seeing this wrong?
If I remember you correctly… a few months ago you were saying that if Russia were to launch the major winter offensive, that this would be a betrayal of Russia by the Russian leadership. On the other hand, if they do not launch the major offensive and continue the “slow-style” SMO, that this would be to Russia’s advantage.
Posted by: NoName | May 5 2023 18:16 utc | 68
European “war economy” will choke on itself IMO the same way German industry did. Europe doesn’t really have war industry or any industry, everything they need to buy they will just print money and send an order to the US, which will may or may not be eventually given to Ukraine.
Now will US coup with that? There is a major bottleneck for US since they now have to fill the completely empty euronato stockpiles at the same time they arm Ukraine. This will take years and years, possibly will be never complete.
How will that affect the war in Ukraine? Quite simple. Ukraine won’t very soon be able to stockpile anything, since even the Soviet AFVs and artillery guns ran out, then it will simply be dead.
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 18:24 utc | 69
Posted by: mauro | May 5 2023 16:02 utc | 4
dumdum, what if Wagner are leaving Bakhmut in direction of Chasov Yar?
Posted by: Boo | May 5 2023 18:30 utc | 70
I am thinking that the issue with Wagner is that they have no means to replace recruits at the level they need and maybe they have had enough.
Posted by: jared | May 5 2023 18:09 utc | 67
From Russian perspective, all combinations are positive. For Ukr side, all negative. If Prigo is playing mind games with nazis, it’s bad for them. If he’s telling the truth about the lack of ammo then it’s good that Russians discover how much damage bureaucracy, fake diplomas and fake generals can do. It’s again bad for Ukr, more ammo or more troops will arrive. Wagners have to leave Bakhmut anyway. Contracts end, no soldier can fight non-stop and they are not the type of troops to stay in a region for protection. Or they have enough troops for 24/7 action and simply move to another location. So all options are bad for nazis, none is bad for Russians.
Posted by: rk | May 5 2023 18:38 utc | 71
Piroghizen’s recent statements are mere theatre designed to confuse and disorient Ukraine. EVERYTHING he says and does is at the behest of the Kremlin.
Lira ran a sexist men’s dating advice blog. He also thinks that Pinochet is the greatest leader Chile ever had.
I think that he is a Russian asset. Which is perfectly fine with me.
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | May 5 2023 18:44 utc | 72
Gonzalo arrested again? why he didn’t leave the country after his first arrest?
Ever watch his u-tubes? He so arrogant prolly think he untouchable.
Posted by: Drinky Crow | May 5 2023 18:44 utc | 73
Gepostet von: rk | 5. Mai 2023 18:38 UTC | 72
Oops :
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Little is known about the exact strength of the Wagner group; According to the RBK, up to 2,500 men are deployed in Syria.[51][24] Fontanka’s investigative journalist traced over 2,000 people and in the summer of 2017 mentioned a figure of 5,000 people who had signed contracts with the Wagner group,[52] but the number may have increased significantly with participation in the war in Ukraine. At the end of November 2022, the Russian economist Vladislav Inosemtsev named a total strength of around 39,000 men, including more than 11,500 convicts recruited from prisons.
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Ergo
If the worst comes to the worst, there should still be enough!
Posted by: mo3 | May 5 2023 18:46 utc | 74
Gonzalo Lira arrested by the SBU for anti-Ukrainian truths.
Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 5 2023 16:20 utc | 15
For some reason he seemed to think he was untouchable.
I hope it doesn’t go too badly for him.
Posted by: GT Stroller | May 5 2023 18:47 utc | 75
Massive incendiary bombs and fires in Bakhmut. Maybe Prighozins act was convincing enough to squeeze in a few more ukrops.
https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1654558183107559430
Posted by: unimperator | May 5 2023 18:54 utc | 76
When Wagner pulls out the full might of the Russian army will join the fight instead of just Wagner and the locals
“SHOIGU WHERE ARE YOU” was a troll job. Shoigu arrived in Ukraine today to inspect a large amount of brand new tanks that are ready to roll sometime around the 10th. It’s all over Utube
The war is about to get ugly.
Posted by: OohCanada | May 5 2023 18:59 utc | 77
“Ever watch his u-tubes? He so arrogant prolly think he untouchable.”
I think he suffers from depression and wants to die. He’s not dumb, so this is the only explanation to me for his behavior.
Posted by: Apollyon | May 5 2023 19:06 utc | 78
Unfortunately, this will be fought until Ukraine completely collapses and (in the end) most likely disappears.
Posted by: mo3 | May 5 2023 17:21 utc | 57
It won’t end until the West collapses and then a New World Order is presented. Western peoples will gratefully accept this offer.
unimperator @ 77
If real (not some video game clip) then whoa and holy sh!t.
OohCanada @ 78
“SHOIGU WHERE ARE YOU” was a troll job.
Yes, I forgot about that line, total comic book melodrama. If real then Prigozhin is a comic book character to the core and if the MoD is similar Russia is doomed. Kayfabe.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 5 2023 19:07 utc | 80
” You do seem to have deplorable ways commissar. Read a bit of history.Read a bit of tech. Russia and China. Two of the great powers that have never conducted genocides.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2023 16:52 utc | 42 ”
Put down the bottle, you’re embarrassing yourself. I guess technically killing millions of your won people is not a genocide.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 19:10 utc | 81
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.
The current open thread for other issues is here.
Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
Posted by: donten | May 5 2023 19:10 utc | 82
Lira was far more critical of the American Globalist JudeoStraussians and their EuroLackeys than the Zelensky/Banderist regime. He was always seeing – and analyzing – the conflict more in geopolitical and macroeconomic terms than any “Good Slav/Bad Slav” military dustup. This is just another fascist move ordered by tribal pricks in the American Administrative state. Lira and his guests were documenting the accelerating destruction of the Petrodollar “negotiation at the end of a gun barrel” US foreign policy. That was his great sin.
Posted by: Drake Schroeder | May 5 2023 19:16 utc | 83
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qI7WPBlnH6I&pp=ygUGU2hvaWd1
See they found Shoigu and some ammo
Posted by: OohCanada | May 5 2023 19:16 utc | 84
🇺🇸🇺🇦🇷🇺The effectiveness of HIMARS missiles, which the United States began supplying to Ukraine last summer, has been significantly reduced as Russian forces use electronic jamming to shoot down GPS targeting systems.
Five US, British and Ukrainian sources tell CNN , forcing US and Ukrainian officials to find ways to tweak the HIMARS’ software to counter the evolving Russian jamming efforts.
Although even with a jammed GPS signal, a missile can hit a target, HIMARS have been missing more often lately, a Ukrainian source told CNN.
He has information from drone operators on the front lines, and one of them called the disruptions from Russian interference “significant,” something he hadn’t noted until November.
According to another operator, the efficiency of HIMARS has decreased significantly.
Ukrainian military experts, with the help of Americans, are looking for ways to bypass Russian interference, “It is a constant cat-and-mouse game” of finding a countermeasure to the jamming, a Pentagon official said, only to then have the Russians counteract that countermeasure. And it is not clear how sustainable that game is in the long term.
Such methods include redesigning the guidance system software and the missile itself.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/60619
Posted by: Down South | May 5 2023 19:18 utc | 85
Prigozhin is just another Kvetching jewish huckster. Do not promote his importance.
Wagner had 4,000 contractors before this war and for a while had access to Russia’s prisons and swelled to 50,000 for a six month period. According to Prigozhin at least. It was a Corps of Punishment battalions designed to conquer Bahkmut.
I can’t imagine that the Regular Russian military want to see this guy gain more influence in Russia. But for some reason the press in the west can’t get enough of his ugly mug and his histrionics. Would not be surprised if Prigozhin is being promoted by western press to help him grab power in Moscow at a later date. He’s a Hollywood casting agent’s dream for a (((Russian))) with the snarling gangsterism of (((American’s))) like Meyer Lansky or (((Brits))) like Ronnie & Reggie Kray.
Posted by: Wokechoke | May 5 2023 19:24 utc | 86
Prigohzin says Wagner will pull out of Bakhmut in 5 days. Or when they take the last couple of km there, whichever comes first. The front line will be shortened, and regular Russian army will take up defense, and probably build a defensive line. Wagner is very good at urban warfare, building to building. Their work will be done in Bakhmut. Does anyone think that Wagner is going to leave before Prigohzin can go in front of the cameras and declare that Bakhmut has been captured by Wagner forces?
Posted by: Mike R | May 5 2023 19:30 utc | 87
Now this will be interesting. South Africa is still in the ICC and is obligated to comply with its order. If it doesn’t I predict massive sanctions on it from the West. IMHO, South Africa has already sold out by staying in the ICC, meaning they were threatened and folded .
– South Africa will ‘do the right thing’ on Putin arrest warrant, ICC prosecutor tells MPs –
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/putin-ukraine-russia-international-criminal-court-1.6832476
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 19:32 utc | 88
” Prigozhin is just another Kvetching jewish huckster. Do not promote his importance.
Posted by: Wokechoke | May 5 2023 19:24 utc | 87 ”
His ,over the top, concern for dead Slavs looks fake to me, he couldn’t give a damn about them. My question still stands, how much is the Wagner
((( elite ))) earning from these adventures ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 19:35 utc | 89
” It won’t end until the West collapses and then a New World Order is presented. Western peoples will gratefully accept this offer.
Posted by: Scorpion | May 5 2023 19:07 utc | 80 ”
The haters of all things ” White ” dont understand ,that as soon the West is finished, it will be their turn. The cult of the PTB has no favorites and is just using the ” useful idiots ” for now.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 19:41 utc | 90
About tank “Leopard” in Odessa
Recently in the Ukrainian segment of the Internet appeared footage with a platoon of the German tank Leopard in Odessa. Judging by the photos, the pillar is on the railroad track near the Kraft metal depot.
Coordinates : On the one hand , the appearance of modern western tanks confirms the information about a possible reinforcement of the troop formation in the direction of Transnistria . An attack on the PMR will divert Russia’s attention from the main strike. However, an unexpected photo with a train of leopards raises the question: how could the Ukrainian authorities allow the leaking of the frame, from which it is extremely easy to determine the location of the delivered armored vehicles?46.472992, 30.673126
Since the announcement of the delivery of Western tanks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have taken all kinds of security measures to disguise their transfer to the front lines to avoid detection and subsequent attack on them.
Therefore, such a “gift” should at least be viewed with skepticism. Yes, the PMR is showing signs of strengthening, but that doesn’t mean the offense will be here specifically. In this case, it looks like a deliberate leak to escalate the situation before hostilities begin.
And the passage of the squadron through Odessa can be quite realistically explained with the same precautionary measures – after all, everyone expects arms shipments via the shortest route through central Ukraine and Dnepropetrovsk .
The use of the southern railway network allows not only to transport tanks to the front, but also to diversify flows for unloading logistic lines.
Posted by: mo3 | May 5 2023 19:41 utc | 91
Posted by: Wokechoke | May 5 2023 19:24 utc | 87
Here we go with the jewish thingy, Prigozhin is not wearing a kippa but a helmet and he speaks the common guy’s language, his son is fighting while Shoigu’s son in law is in the middle east, sunbathing, pumping iron and promoting his tube channel while calling the fighters быдло, cattle. Russians won’t’ forgive that, not his mansion on Rublevka’s neighbourhood widely quoted by Prigozhin with contempt.
Posted by: Paco | May 5 2023 19:43 utc | 92
It really has to be hell in Bakhmut and there is no way that a unit could fight as long as Wagner PMC and not come away “WRECKED” (significantly degraded as a combat unit). If what Prigozhin is saying isn’t maskirovka, then possibly he has fallen into this trap?
ROBERT E. LEE: “Soldiering has one great trap. To be a good soldier, you must love the Army, to be a good commander, you must be willing to order the death of the thing you love.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpv6g0gz0Gc&t=115s
Obviously Prigozhin loves the Wagner PMC… and I never got the impression that he was willing to “order its death”. It probably never crossed Prigozhin’s mind that he was creating Wagner PMC to be wrecked. Only in rare brilliant operational engagements does an army or unit avoid this. Ultimately, Wagner PMC (or any unit) is an expendable “tool” in war, and if you lose sight of that, then you believe that you can have both things. IMHO
Posted by: Rokossovsky | May 5 2023 19:46 utc | 93
@69 is a foul mouthed troll masquerading as Peter AU1.
Posted by: morongobill | May 5 2023 19:48 utc | 94
We can expect MSM to criticize the arrest of journalist gonzalo lira and demand Ukraine release him immediately in support of press freedom, just as they demanded Russia release Evan Gershkovich (sarc)
Posted by: willow | May 5 2023 20:00 utc | 95
” Shoigu’s son in law is in the middle east, sunbathing, pumping iron and promoting his tube channel while calling the fighters быдло, cattle. Russians won’t’ forgive that, not his mansion on Rublevka’s neighbourhood widely quoted by Prigozhin with contempt.
Posted by: Paco | May 5 2023 19:43 utc | 93 ”
Are we turning on Shoigu now ? Is Putin next ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 5 2023 20:02 utc | 96
“Your leaders are only puppets” (whether east or west), I read in several posts. Why does Davos then freak out so much about the SMO? Yuval Harari, Schwab’s mentor, is on record in several youtube videos (March 2022) urgently warning that the SMO has to be stopped ASAP, that it takes humanity back to a previous primitive stage while we had left primitive warfare behind and were under way for the great transformation, the quantum leap in the human evolution. Why did Davos then devote the former Russian pavillion there to “Russian war crimes”? They have never done that for any war in the past. From this I infer that these “puppet masters” themselves feel rather uncertain and are not sure at all that their reset can be put back on track.
Posted by: Teraspol | May 5 2023 20:02 utc | 97
morongobill | May 5 2023 19:48 utc | 95
Foulmouthed? Fuck you.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2023 20:14 utc | 98
The Ukraine regime, despite Russian military miscalculations but mostly because of its own inferior military will forget their ground campaign for now–it’s been made clear this month and last that the neo-Nazis intend guerilla tactics–sabotage and various bomb events and, as worthless Nazis, civilian murders perhaps many but definitely there’s a huge theater already opened for those cowardly operations.
The nadir of this type of offense is nuclear and the Ukrainians are not novices in this regard. Russia’s unwillingness to bite the bullet is the most dangerous position to have taken against such an enemy will go down as one of the worst approaches to fanatical fascism in warfare with such possible nuclear endings of one or another kind. Historians will then ask “What were they waiting for?”
The Russian military in the field seems to be asking that question as openly as they may dare.
Posted by: Elmagnostic | May 5 2023 20:23 utc | 99
Posted by: just somebody | May 5 2023 16:33 utc |
As far as I know his wife is from Ukraine
Posted by: fnord | May 5 2023 16:40 utc | 31
Your comment is not even funny it’s disrespectful
coming likely from a fat couch potato without cojones
Posted by: Publicdisorder | May 5 2023 20:25 utc | 100