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May 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-106
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Now that is true schizophrenia.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 19:04 utc | 96
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One thing is clear.
You know nothing of schizophrenia unless you are hearing voices calling on you to write. Likely not.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 4 2023 14:38 utc | 401
I think you are sincere, not a “concern troll”, but what you seem to not understand is that the SMO is only a relatively minor theater in the real larger war. As long as the SMO is going on, the neocons will remain in power and will continue to utterly destroy the Empire from within. When success on the economic and geopolitical fronts are irreversible, then the SMO can be brought to a swift (pardon the pun) conclusion. But not before. Of course Russia is paying a price for a slow and methodical SMO, but that is the price of a more certain victory. It’s a real and existential war, so the only morality (and concern) that applies is for whatever brings Victory. So slow-motion is not up for discussion. Last thing to say is that to prioritize concern about the shooting war over concern about winning the hybrid war, would mean a defeat in the hybrid war. Such a reversed priority would qualify someone as a “concern troll”. I made this comment because I think it’s rarely said clearly, but it’s mostly a good thing if this all remains just a lump under the carpet.
Posted by: JessDTruth | May 4 2023 13:39 utc | 384
Problem is the neocons don’t care about “destruction from within”, after all, go back in time and take a look at the conditions under the rule of their equivalents back in the days. Much worse than now, but nobody gave a damn. As long as they are in control, which is all they care about.
And in the last 14 months they eliminated all traces of resistance in Europe, expanded NATO to Sweden and Finland, encircling Russia even more, and now we have direct attacks on then Kremlin, as well a dozen other attacks against the Russian mainland daily that are shrugged off as no big deal.
If you think things are going well for Russia if that is the newly established baseline, you are totally delusional (and that is not meant as an insult, but as an observation).
When was the last time anyone thought they can bomb the Kremlin (or the Russian nuclear triad, which is arguably a bigger violation, but was also left unanswered) and get away with it? Because now we are about to normalize even that…
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 4 2023 14:38 utc | 402
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 4 2023 14:38 utc | 404
The rules of the game are so. They would also allow to hit Lockheed, Northtropp Grumman plants and US naval ship yards with drones launched from perhaps cargo ships.
Posted by: unimperator | May 4 2023 14:49 utc | 403
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 19:48 utc | 123
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The Panzerhaubitze 2000 weighs 56 tons which will be hard on the light weight Ukrainian bridges, too. The rubber booties on the tracks are designed to avoid damaging EU roads whereas metal tracks certainly would chew them up.
In the Korean war the US equipped their tanks with Russian winter tracks for the US tanks to gain traction in the ice and snow.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 4 2023 14:51 utc | 404
Talking to a mate a few hours back before I had a nana nap. My family have all chosen to go down with HMS Unsinkable. The shit we watch. What to say….
I liked china but my daughter was embarrassed because people were looking at us. Her mothers anglo mindset.All will be good when revered leader Albanese kisses King charlies butt.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 14:53 utc | 405
” You know nothing of schizophrenia unless you are hearing voices calling on you to write. Likely not.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 4 2023 14:38 utc | 403 ”
Thanks for setting me straight.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 4 2023 14:55 utc | 406
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2023 13:24 utc | 381
Because that’s what you see between Manchester Airport and the airport station.
You guys have it good.
Here in the states, besides stepping over the sleeping bums. You also have to avoid their the piles of poop, used hypodermics and garbage. Its like walking thru a minefield.
As for the posts about Russia banning US films media ect. Good for them! It shows Russians have very good taste. I have banned them as well. Its called “Cutting the cord”
Posted by: Golddiggr | May 4 2023 14:57 utc | 407
Paul Greenwood
Here in the antipodes, our glorious pm is traveling to Buckingham or some point there. To pledge allegiance to your ponce. What say you.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 14:59 utc | 408
They would also allow to hit Lockheed, Northtropp Grumman plants and US naval ship yards with drones launched from perhaps cargo ships.
Posted by: unimperator | May 4 2023 14:49 utc | 405
Should have been demo tested by now given what has been done inside Russia
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 4 2023 15:03 utc | 409
time zones. I guess King Paul will reply in good time. Mail is slow between the kingdom and the antipodes.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 15:06 utc | 410
” As for the posts about Russia banning US films media ect. Good for them! It shows Russians have very good taste. I have banned them as well. Its called “Cutting the cord”
Posted by: Golddiggr | May 4 2023 14:57 utc | 409 ”
One minor issue though. They havent.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 4 2023 15:08 utc | 411
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 14:59 utc | 410
If I actually lived in UK I might know who your “glorious pm” was that goes to Buckingham – which I read is actually 65 miles from the centre of London………
If I were you I would vote for one that is not geographically bewildered by the northern hemisphere……….maybe he is going to see what submarines look like – he will be President of Australia before he sees them delivered
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 15:10 utc | 412
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2023 13:24 utc | 381
Why has Manchester got so many homeless Russians ?
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 15:12 utc | 413
The British Royal Family are still sore about The October Revolution. All British ‘elite’ take their lead from their masters and Russophobia is integral to their imperialistic world view.
Posted by: Down South | May 4 2023 6:49 utc | 284
Yes it is tough when members of your family are murdered and dissolved in acid.
I am sure when something bad happens to your family you will be able to dance a jig
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 15:15 utc | 414
State sponsored attacks on heads of state or capitol buildings are a significant step. They’re expected in “war” but this isn’t a “war” and it will not be a war because the UN system makes a declaration of war almost impossible. So it’s not a war but it is a direct attack on a capitol and/or head of state, which sets a precedent.
Russia doesn’t need a false flag, and if it was a Russian false flag we would see an immediate kinetic response related to it as opposed to Russia’s official statements on the matter. It’s unlikely that it was fully a homegrown terrorist attack, because if it was the group responsible would likely have claimed responsibility in some way. Which leaves us with a symbolic attack perpetrated by Ukraine. The drone was too small to have been launched from outside of Russia and it approached the Kremlin from the East, which makes it an intelligence operations using either Ukrainian agents or Russians acting on behalf of Ukraine. The problem is that either the US/UK knew and approved or it didn’t know. If it’s the former you have a massive escalation precedent. If it’s the latter it means the puppet is off the strings.
Both possibilities are extremely dangerous. We’ll know which one it is within a day or two because if the puppet is off the strings, then the US will need to publicly slap down Zelensky to avoid the escalation precedent. If it doesn’t not that means the US knew/approved or is willing to approve of the behavior after the fact and that means the puppet is off the strings and the US has no intention of reestablishing control.
Posted by: Lex | May 4 2023 15:15 utc | 415
My general advice from top to bottom and including Ukraine (back on topic)ha ha.
Lean to distinguish between victems and perpetrators.
Put another way learn the difference between couse and effect.
Oh and keep ya dodgy dirty hidden agendas to ya selves.
Posted by: Mark2 | May 4 2023 15:19 utc | 416
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 4 2023 14:23 utc | 399
A good example of this is the war on masculinity, and the ” White male ” in the US.
Good. It’s about time Whitey got what he put out all these centuries.
My father, his before him and his before him fought whitey in all the colonial wars across the empire.
I and others like me who bear that legacy can only watch in amusement as whitey destroys himself with the same tools he tried to destroy us with.
In short: Screw whitey and his ‘masculinity’. We hope he splits himself into ten thousand genders and tries to fertilize an egg with all of them.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2023 15:23 utc | 417
Russian MFA has issued a statement on the drone incident:
We strongly condemn the attempted terrorist acts committed on the night of May 3 against the Moscow Kremlin with the help of unmanned aerial vehicles.
There is no doubt that the Kiev regime is behind them, which has long and consciously supported and used terrorist methods against civilian infrastructure and civilians. Blowing up the Crimean bridge on October 8, 2022, strikes on non-military targets in the Bryansk, Belgorod and Rostov regions, numerous sabotage. Now Moscow. The terrorist and sabotage activities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gaining unprecedented momentum.
The severity of this crime is aggravated by the fact that the Moscow Kremlin is the residence of the head of the Russian state, and the special cynicism of the actions of the neo-Nazi Ukrainian authorities is that the attempt to assassinate the President of Russia was made on the eve of Victory Day and the May 9 Parade, which will be attended by veterans of the Great Patriotic War who shed blood in the fight against Nazism and fascism, including on the territory of Ukraine.
Such crimes must not go unanswered. As you know, the Investigative Committee of Russia opened a criminal case on the fact of actions aimed at intimidating the population, causing damage and death of people in order to influence decision-making by the authorities. We are confident that all the perpetrators will be found. They will face severe and inevitable punishment.
The criminal actions of the Kiev regime once again confirm Kiev’s lack of desire for peace and the settlement of the conflict through political and diplomatic means. The need to achieve all the goals and objectives of our special military operation is obvious. Security threats and acts of terrorism should not emanate from the territory of Ukraine.
It has long been no secret to the world community that the Kyiv regime is supported by Western countries that supply it with weapons, intelligence, train its militants and point them to targets. The silence of the “collective West” testifies to its indulgence in the terrorist methods of the neo-Nazi and extremist regime in Kiev.
We believe that the international community and international organisations that work without double standards on the basis of international law should condemn the new criminal trick of the Kiev regime. It is necessary to force Kiev to fulfill its obligations in the field of combating terrorism, international humanitarian law and the protection of human rights.
We reaffirm that the Russian side reserves the right to take retaliatory measures against blatant attempts at terrorist acts. Russia will respond in accordance with the assessments of the threat that Kiev has created for the leadership of our country.
The statement is close to what I assumed would be issued last night, that the overall response would be from the diplomatic side backed by Russian law and SMO efforts. Lavrov’s in Goa and met with Qin Gang. The readout didn’t mention the drone incident and was mostly boiler plate regarding security and stability; however, this sentence at the end was a new formulation:
“A general opinion was expressed on the unacceptability of modern practices of neocolonialism, which have a destructive impact on the development of most countries of the world and all spheres of international relations.” [My Emphasis]
The Outlaw US Empire and its vassals are being corralled into an ever-tightening bloc seen as a circus with the Empire as ringmaster controlling its marionette clowns.
Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 15:10 utc | 414
You don’t want to be me. As for the president of Australia, well that is Prince soon to be King Ponce
Overall a good comment. Geographically bewildered.. I guess that young bloke that woke me up at two am at my daughters house trying to suck my cock was geographically bewildered.
You are not me and I do not vote. Whatever, you are interesting to converse with. That term converse. What else can be used in thbe internet age.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 15:27 utc | 419
I am just an ordinary guy in the west about to form a family. I dont care anymore about gdp or currency rates any more.
Those are the questions I care about: can i afford a car with an ordinary income. Will my kids be able to? Can I dream of building or buying a home? Will may kids be able to? Can I say what i want? Will may kids be able to express their opinions? Can I safeguard my kids from child abusers, gender idiots and people who are out to cut off their genitalia? Will my kids have the possibility to develope skills and character and will they have a shot at the pursuit of their happiness?
None of these questions can be answered positively if you live in the west. The number of americans who couldnt afford to repair their washing machines if need be went up to 60% during the past years. 60%. Its not even owning a house thats out of reach for most americans… a fking car is out of reach. Whats the percentage of people who work 2 or 3 jobs just to make it through life? Can you trust the educational system or do i need to constantly fight against it because all it produces after 12 or 20 years of attendance is people who cant read, solve a simple math problems or distinguish between men and women?
After years in which i did not pay much attention to Russia (although I speak Russian) I am now listening to Putins and other speaches again, I read what is on russian news again and watch what the pundits talk about on russian TV. So you wait for Putins talk somewhere because you wanna know what he is planning to do in Ukraine. And than you wait and wait and wait because the guy is talking 80 minutes about how to improve the live of russians and 10 minutes about foreign policy. Its about loans for company, fighting bureaucracy, minimum wages, infrastructure and you hear words like “civil rights”. And then you are asking yourself “when have you last heard one of your western politicians talking about these things?”
And then you repeat the experience next speach, you are listening because everybody is telling you putin will declare ww3. And again you hear about social policies, fighting corruption, developement projects somewhere in Yakutsk, technology parks, inflation etc.
There is nothing that makes it clearer that we in the west live in crazy town than following the russian discourse. Tell me: which western politicians gives a shit about wages, incomes, social security, infrastructure? Its all about ideological bs, its all about dividing society in ever crazier groups, its all about stuff that has 0 impact on your life. Its all just propaganda.
I can not think of any indication of things improving in the west. Not. A. Single. One. We are burning through the the wealth we have required the past decades but all the rest of it points to decay. And Russia has never been that wealthy but compared to 20 years ago I cant think of a single indicator that doesnt point up. Not. a. single. one.
So much about the question which population may expect a better life in the future.
Posted by: Orgel | May 4 2023 15:28 utc | 420
Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Galuzin was interviewed by Izvestia on a number of topics. Potential negotiations, weapons supplying and the Ukie biolabs are germane to this thread:
Question: Recently, a number of countries have been putting forward initiatives for a peaceful settlement of the conflict in Ukraine. In particular, Brazilian President Lula da Silva proposed the creation of a group of countries (by analogy with the Group of Twenty), which will carry out a mediation mission between Moscow and Kiev. What does Russia think about such proposals, are there any prerequisites for starting negotiations this year, and is Moscow ready for a direct dialogue with the current Ukrainian leadership?
A: We highly appreciate the efforts of a number of our major international partners to assist in the peaceful settlement of the Ukrainian crisis. Many provisions, for example, of the Chinese plan, echo our approaches to resolving the crisis and achieving the goals of the special military operation through political and diplomatic means. Among the ideas put forward by our international partners are those that are consonant with our views, including those related to the creation of an indivisible security space, the non-expansion of NATO to the east, and respect for the norms and principles of international and humanitarian law.
On this basis, it would be possible to move forward, but the problem lies not in Russia, but in the position of Kiev and its Anglo-Saxon masters. As we know, they publicly bet on what they call the strategic defeat of our country, and on the mythical victory over Russia on the battlefield. The thoughtless and absolutely irresponsible pumping of Kiev with modern Western weapons and the encouragement of its ideas for a counteroffensive, all this will only lead to bloodshed and further escalation of the conflict. I would like to warn the Kiev regime and its Western sponsors about the inevitable sad consequences of what they are up to.
I am sure that our armed forces are ready for any development of events, and neither Kiev nor the West will receive any dividends from this.
The Kiev regime is trying to present to the international community as a peace plan some ridiculous list of ultimatums to Russia, demands that are absolutely unacceptable and completely divorced from reality – the withdrawal of troops or the withdrawal of the Russian Federation from our four new regions. All this is the fruit of an inflamed imagination.
We are well aware that negotiations on a peaceful settlement were conducted in March-April last year at the request of the Ukrainian side. But in mid-April 2022, the Ukrainian side itself withdrew from the negotiations and interrupted them at the behest of its Western mentors. If we assume that the process will now be resumed, then it will be conducted in completely different conditions and taking into account completely different realities. At the moment, there are no prerequisites for returning to the process of starting peace negotiations and to political and diplomatic methods of resolving the Ukrainian crisis.
Question: To what extent can one of the largest leaks of classified US military documents complicate American support for Ukraine? And could it be a special stuffing?
A: As for the issue of leaks of secret documents into the information space, whether it is deliberate stuffing or sloppiness, one thing is clear – the United States is directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine as a direct participant on the side of the Nazi Kiev regime. Unfortunate, but true.
The steps of the Western side completely contradict the international decisions on arms exports, which they themselves made. These instruments directly prohibit the supply of weapons in cases where it is known that they can be used to carry out acts of genocide, damage to civilian objects, the civilian population and crimes against humanity. All the positions that I have listed are exactly what the Kiev regime has been doing since 2014 with regard to the territories that were once the eastern regions of Ukraine, and today are part of the Russian Federation in accordance with the free will of their inhabitants.
Seeing all this genocide that Kiev is carrying out, guided by Nazi ideological attitudes, Western countries continue to supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. The West violates the provisions of international law governing the supply of weapons abroad.
Question: On April 11, the State Duma approved a final report on the activities of US biological laboratories in Ukraine. Is it safe to say now that the United States systematically carried out military-biological activities in this country? After all, the United States does not deny the very fact of their presence, but claims that “research in the field of pandemic prevention” was carried out at the facilities. What evidence do we have that U.S.-Ukraine cooperation went beyond conventional cooperation in this area?
A: Yes, it is true that the United States conducted military biological research in Ukraine. Let’s recall the statements of American officials, about a year ago, when they spoke directly to the public that they were very concerned about the appearance of information in Russia about the activities of biomedical laboratories under the control of the US Department of Defense.
The Americans, together with the Kiev side, are doing everything so that information about the medical and biological, as they say, but in fact the military-biological activities of the United States in Ukraine, would not become our property and would not end up in our hands. But if you’re doing purely civilian research with the lofty goal of confronting a pandemic, what’s wrong with it coming to the public and the entire international community? According to our data, under the auspices of the Pentagon, approximately 46 laboratories in Ukraine conducted research with strains of especially dangerous diseases, and in quantities and scales that clearly do not correspond to the stated goals of combating epidemics or some kind of medical prevention. The scale of these studies is staggering. The very cultivation of pathogens in such quantities is already a violation of Article 1 of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological and Toxin Weapons.
Unfortunately, we have to admit that the United States is conducting dubious, but in fact practically open military-biological activities not only in Ukraine, but also in other states, including the former republics of the Soviet Union. All this is a matter of serious concern for the Russian side. We proceed from the premise that extremely dangerous activities should be stopped immediately, and their content should be made public. Americans must explain themselves to the international community for what they are doing, in particular, in Ukraine and other post-Soviet republics. [My Emphasis]
Again, this interview is not just for domestic consumption. The aim is to show/prove to RoW that the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals are law breakers to the nth degree and naturally must be arrested before the current crisis escalates further.
Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 15:15 utc | 416
You are firing on all royal cylinders. I remember working on an old Holden. It had blown a piston. While I was working, my mate who was a bit of a clown would jump out from behind a bush and go boo at the passing cars. Not long before the plods arrive. The interesting days. When I pulled thgat piston out and continued on our way … man it left a trail of smoke. The antipodes.
You seem locked in to the British empire?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 15:43 utc | 422
French Foreign Minister calls drone attack on Kremlin ‘strange and mysterious incident’ tass.com/defense/1613613
Posted by: rk | May 4 2023 15:44 utc | 423
Orgel | May 4 2023 15:28 utc | 422
“Russia has never been that wealthy but compared to 20 years ago I cant think of a single indicator that doesnt point up. Not. a. single. one.”
Other way round in the UK. The Guardian was looking at the Brit economy in 1953 and today, house prices are 130 x more expensive. Things are getting worse for ordinary people. In 1953 2/3 of women didn’t have to work, it’s 1/4 today.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2023 15:47 utc | 424
karlof1 | May 4 2023 15:42 utc | 423
Goes back to the Russia China joint statement. Zooland is toast.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 15:48 utc | 425
Ukros in Ankara caused problems today at the PABSEC summit. It seems Erdo had no problem letting them stop the summit, jump at the Russian delegation and display Right Sector flags over them.
Posted by: rk | May 4 2023 15:55 utc | 426
Orgel | May 4 2023 15:28 utc | 422–
Your comment is quite correct. As you know, Russia currently is a land of vast opportunity, particularly if you already know the language. New, easier citizenship laws were recently enacted that those like yourself ought to take advantage of. Today’s report and discussion between Putin and Minister of Economic Development Maxim Reshetnikov is a must read for someone like yourself as it again makes clear that Russia is building itself on a very solid foundation that’s not going to wither away anytime soon as there’s so much to accomplish.
“Russia has never been that wealthy
Not sure what you mean. Germany is apparently “wealthy” but most Germans are “poor”. They do not own their homes, have very little in savings, almost no equity holdings, and outside the public sector, extremely modest pensions.
What they have is bloated health costs funded by crippling payroll deductions and seem to exist only to meet the payroll costs of the Pension Insurance Agency, the Employment Agency, the Health Insurance Funds, the Kreis, Land, Federal bureaucracy costs…………and to survive on net incomes which are very modest as tax bites savagely on modest incomes with a strangely distorted curve that favours the very well paid and punishes those on average incomes
Russians probably have a lesser need for monetary transactions than in West where everything is financialised
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 16:04 utc | 428
house prices are 130 x more expensive.
Well in 1953 people LIVED in houses.
Since the Heath Years after 1970 houses are speculative assets made affordable by inflation.
Simply look at the Credit Expansion since 1970………you would be surprised just how stable house prices were until 1971 and Heath “liberalising financial markets” to please The City…….
https://academic.oup.com/book/41242/chapter-abstract/350754305?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
https://winton.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/PastSeminars/Hilary%202011/needham.pdf
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2023 16:08 utc | 430
429
Russia land of opportunity? Bwahahahhaa, so thats why Thailand is flooded with Russians escaping their homeland with every ruble they own. Thats why they talk massive shit about Kremlin and call Putin a pidaras? I swear you people live in some parallel reality made up on the internet.
Posted by: Hahaha | May 4 2023 16:08 utc | 431
I want to thank whoever posted the Black Mountain Analysis link. That was a very sober read, and quite stunning in its’ overall depth of analysis and likelihood. From that analysis:
But first, I want to reiterate a basic fact. The West is deliberately burning Ukraine and its human potential down with a “Scorched Earth” policy. If Ukraine was acting independently, and its goal would be to defeat Russia by bogging it down in a bloody insurgency war that would last years, it would not think about large scale offensives but rather a well-developed plan of withdrawal battles and ambushes.
This just can’t be emphasized enough. It explains a lot – Bakhmut/Artemosvk, where apparently even after having 100’s of men literally cooked to death like lobsters in a thermite bomb attack, Syrsky (assuming he’s alive) still fights on.
His basic prediction for the counteroffensive is wave after wave of human sacrifices until the RF gets overwhelmed and retreats. This could mean another year of attrition. All the while the propagandized western press will celebrate – Ukraine is winning!
Eventually, the counteroffensive will fail due to logistics. But not before some press-conference victories, and more importantly, a LOT of dead Ukrainians and Russians.
This article has changed my thinking. The SMO approach was clever, and has benefitted Russia by keeping casualty rates relatively low. But it may be time to declare a full scale war. A simple calculation may need to be made here:
1. Continue SMO approach:
100k dead Ukrainian conscripts, maybe 15-20k Russians – total 120k deaths
(Conservative estimate – doesn’t include civilian casualties.)
2. A small nuke on Kiev – enough to completely destroy the central downtown, Bankova st, US embassy, UK embassy – comparable to “Fat Boy” that the US dropped on Japan. Delivered when the winds are blowing towards Lviv, or to the South, to minimize fallout on Eastern Donbass.
Casualties: 50k, per https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
This would save roughly 70k lives.
I’m not saying this should be done, just that it is time for the thought to be at least considered.
Posted by: Chris | May 4 2023 16:13 utc | 432
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2023 15:23 utc | 419
Seriously? Pray tell which bastion of progressive thought and action did your ancestors fight to protect? This Whitey would like to know.
Posted by: Milites | May 4 2023 16:15 utc | 434
@ PeterAU1, §410:
Since he can´t define a woman, how will he know who is Charlie boy and who is the Wicked Witch of the West, Camilla?
Posted by: John Marks | May 4 2023 16:17 utc | 435
Back on the counteroffensive, I’m assuming the main reason for its seeming absence is the incredible rain and mud this spring. Just as the ground never really froze hard for sustained periods in what was for Europe a mild winter, so it’s not dried out yet either.
Looking at Artemovsk videos, it’s like the idea we have of the Somme. Travelling cross-country even with tracks looks very difficult.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2023 16:26 utc | 436
434.
Spoken like a true Maerican. Why not incinerate in nuclear fire a couple million or so people to achieve limited objectives that can more easily be completed without risking annihilation of our species?
Monstrous and psychopathic. How about we consider doing the same to your locality?
Russia needs do nothing but wait while Maericas financial nuts roast in the bonfire of their own making. A gom jabbar at their neck of incalculable loss of face. A smiling Putin opposite then, roasting marshmallows and offering them generously to others in attendance.
The fucking idiots.
436.
I understand the risible and offensive nature of the modern ‘social justice’ nihilist ideology, if it can even be called an ideology and not a cult. But recognize it as nihilism, perpetuated not by a genuine intellectual movement but instead as poison driven from the top down to divide society in the crudest terms possible.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 4 2023 16:31 utc | 437
Sorry..434 should say 432 as I replied to the insane suggestion of mass murder.
436 should say 434. Apologies.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 4 2023 16:32 utc | 438
Chris | May 4 2023 16:13 utc | 432
That was IMHO the logic behind the A-bombs on Japan – planners had forecast a million Allied casualties if the Home Islands had to be taken by troops. But then the US were the only ones with such bombs, not so now.
I hope Russia are keeping a weather eye open and a tight grip on the ZNPP.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2023 16:35 utc | 439
@ karlof1, §420:
Exactly.
The Americans now have more control over the Europeans than the Soviet Union had over the Warsaw Pact satellites.
The EU is the American government-of-occupation with orders to smack down any rebellious nation, usually with economic measures or threats (e.g. Hungary, Italy, Poland, Greece . . .) or military – see what happened to Yugoslavia.
Germany, which had the economic strength to be independent had its NorthStream pipelines blown up and firm globalist Green patsies put in via controlled press and dumbed-down, brain-washing education, to finish them off economically and as a warning to others. France doesn´t seem to have got the message but Macron is sending in the goons to beat the population into submission. Scandinavia cowers on the edges like the quislings they are. Britain was allowed out of the EU because the propaganda failed, but that´s been jacked up by a furious, almost psychotic devotion to the Narrative and near suicidal policies against Russia.
These European governments are in their last terms. Their replacements will throw off the EU yoke and disband NATO, saving themselves millions. And they´ll make friends again with Russia, bringing them millions in trade and prosperity.
Posted by: John Marks | May 4 2023 16:36 utc | 440
Re: Posted by: Oswald | May 4 2023 12:04 utc | 360
The second update is the push now by intelligence agencies within the Deep State to purge Biden and the most culpable Neocon members of the cadre surrounding him.
The Deep State is unwinding its position in the Ukraine.
Absolutely NO EVIDENCE for this assertion at all.
Far more likely is Poland entering Western Ukraine to safeguard that territory.
If you think NATO is about to withdraw from this conflict you are completely deluded – the war hasn’t even started yet. We are still in the warm-up phase.
Posted by: Julian | May 4 2023 16:36 utc | 441
” Good. It’s about time Whitey got what he put out all these centuries.
My father, his before him and his before him fought whitey in all the colonial wars across the empire.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2023 15:23 utc | 417 ”
Take your sanctimonious drivel somewhere else Brownie. Its obvious you’re too ignorant to know that the biggest sub-grouping in the ” Whitey ” world are the Slavs, so please educate us on what the Slavs have done to your poor, innocent, guilty of no crimes, people ?
This should be fascinating you racist fool.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 4 2023 16:36 utc | 442
” Overall a good comment. Geographically bewildered.. I guess that young bloke that woke me up at two am at my daughters house trying to suck my cock was geographically bewildered.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 4 2023 15:27 utc | 419 ”
Oh, boy. Things just got very weird here at the bar.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 4 2023 16:38 utc | 444
@ Orgel, §420:
Spot on Orgel.
If I were young (I´m now 77) I´d emigrate to Russia.
Posted by: John Marks | May 4 2023 16:41 utc | 445
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 4 2023 16:32 utc | 438
It’s hard thing to even contemplate, but if you stop feeling and start thinking, it is simple math. The BMA analyst estimates that Ukraine will lose 24k men in Artemosvk ALONE by June if this thing continues.
A small nuke will result in 2x that, in Kiev. And if the glorious counteroffensive ever gets launched, given the higher casualty rates for the attacker, another 100k slavs are toast. Somebody, I think Simplicius made the point that Russians consider Ukrainians brothers, despite the hostilities, Nazis, and Zelensky. Saving 70k by sacrificing 50k is simple math. As a bonus, a ground zero of Bankava St. probably takes out a lot of NATO assholes, grifters, and other non-Ukrainian scum who deserve it.
Of course, the response of HATO is unpredictable. Would they even care?
Would China continue to support Russia? All things that need to be considered before such a thing is even given serious consideration. Just saying the time for that is getting real close.
Posted by: Chris | May 4 2023 16:41 utc | 446
‘Just saying the time for that is getting real close..’
Not by a thousand miles.. ot in the realm of logic at all. What is wrong with you? The calculus you breezily suggest is completely misguided and the intended limited objectives wouldn’t even be realized. It’s Dr Strangelovian fantasizing and puerile. It’s what a nazi would consider logical. The result would be a world war at minimum.
This is exactly the kind of fucked up non-thinking that would need to be normalized for the rumored nuclear false flag. Fuck right off, a thousand times.
As an aside, my thanks to b and Karlof and the many other contributors of note.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 4 2023 16:50 utc | 447
@John Marks, I agree. Every day I am grateful for the cool calm professionalism of the Russians conduct in the face of unbeleivable provocation. History will recognize the Russian side, their competence and mindfulness of their responsibility to the world. The foam-mouthed Neocon death-cult on the other hand, and those Telegram weordos always with “WhY haVent the Russianz Nuked London yet!!!?!” bollocks can fuck right off, the answer to that question of course being that the Russians arent the capital-colonialist crusader culture that we have in the West, the colossal NATO-Karen in full globe-tantrum.
Posted by: Loncal | May 3 2023 17:08 utc | 8
Excellent post I agree 100% with.
‘The colossal NATO-Karen in full globe tantrum’ is simply a genious way with words, thank you so much, you are wise.
Posted by: stranger | May 4 2023 17:07 utc | 448
@Doctor Eleven | May 4 2023 16:31 utc | 437
You are correct about the nuke idea, but he’s correct about something else. In a proxy war like this, with a zombie killing itself for hollywood stories and bbc news, killing at least 2 generations of its own people for fun, removing the zombie looks easier than attacking its nuclear masters. So far the proxy has no problems, there’s no war outside Donbass and other Russian regions, there’s no stress, zero danger for the proxy and its masters. Now no puppets feel any danger, beg to participate, “let’s kill Russians for fun, then we move to Asians, too many of them”
Posted by: rk | May 4 2023 17:12 utc | 449
@Chris, I disagree, the neocons would love your possible scenario! They’re waiting for a chance to start WW3, as it suits the agenda of the depopulation idiots and world domination assholes. Plus, why lower oneself to the level of low life scum like the government of the USA. Thus far the USA is the only country to verifiably nuke innocent civilians.
Posted by: Firefly | May 4 2023 17:12 utc | 450
I have just started on reading the posts. Thank you b. and all.
I would like to say something to dear barflies as someone who is a Slav.
Although my little colony in EU is now totally aligned with Empire of lies, I, having had lived 25 years of my youth in Yugoslavia, then 20 years in Middle East, my mind state is totally different to the ‘western’ state of mind.
I can totally relate to the ‘Russian state of mind’, all this for them is like seeing a boring fly which buzzes and buzzes, till you swat it suddenly.
There was a poster above who thrilled me with understanding how Russians see all this, I quoted him, genius, NATO Karens…
Posted by: stranger | May 4 2023 17:24 utc | 451
A small nuke, hmm, on London…..well, quoting a US Hagg refering to dead Iraqi children…..”well worth the price”…..
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 4 2023 17:39 utc | 452
On further reflection, while justifiable based on simple math, such a thing as I speculated (trading lives for short term PR hit from a localized Hiroshima in Kiev, effectively) might not even end the war.
I can see Zelensky surviving and besides, the real head of the snake is in Ramstein.
A better idea might be to make friends with the Mexican drug cartels, smuggle some sleeper cells across the southern border of the US, and prove that the game of “hobbyist drone IED attacks” can be played on US soil.
There will be no end to this until it is not just Slavic skin in the game.
Posted by: Chris | May 4 2023 17:56 utc | 453
2. A small nuke on Kiev – enough to completely destroy the central downtown, Bankova st, US embassy, UK embassy – comparable to “Fat Boy” that the US dropped on Japan. Delivered when the winds are blowing towards Lviv, or to the South, to minimize fallout on Eastern Donbass.
Casualties: 50k, per https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
This would save roughly 70k lives.
I’m not saying this should be done, just that it is time for the thought to be at least considered.
Posted by: Chris | May 4 2023 16:13 utc | 432
Not on Kiev, on Lvov.
Kiev has too many buildings on historic importance for Russians. It was also still a Russian speaking city until very recently. What needs to be taken out there can be taken out with conventional missiles and drones.
Lvov, on the other hand, is Banderistan Central.
Half a dozen bombs are needed: Lvov, Ivano-Frankovsk, Ternopol, Drogobych, Kolomyia, Chervonograd, and Galicia is no more.
That was IMHO the logic behind the A-bombs on Japan – planners had forecast a million Allied casualties if the Home Islands had to be taken by troops. But then the US were the only ones with such bombs, not so now.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 4 2023 16:35 utc | 439
That’s the official logic.
The real motivation was twofold:
1) Force a quick surrender before the Soviets got a chance to occupy Hokkaido and perhaps even northern Honshu.
2) Intimidate the Soviets so that they back down during the the various fights for partitioning of territories in Europe and Asia that followed the war.
The Americans now have more control over the Europeans than the Soviet Union had over the Warsaw Pact satellites.
Another major difference — the Soviets were subsidizing their satellites. The Americans are sucking them dry.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 4 2023 18:33 utc | 454
A better idea might be to make friends with the Mexican drug cartels, smuggle some sleeper cells across the southern border of the US, and prove that the game of “hobbyist drone IED attacks” can be played on US soil.
There will be no end to this until it is not just Slavic skin in the game.
Posted by: Chris | May 4 2023 17:56 utc | 454
It can be done from non-military ships — most of the US elites are on the coasts.
In fact the US has already worked out plans for taking out the Sukhoi plants in the Far East that way — drones launched from “commercial” ships. It was discussed by Russian bloggers back in December. Hasn’t happened yet, but quite likely it will be tried one day.
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 4 2023 18:35 utc | 455
@Orgel | May 4 2023 15:28 utc | 420
Thank you for this comment! It sums up so much! Wish i had more energy and time to post in this forum but work, kids and life in general wont allow me to form coherent thoughts after all obligations have been taken care off.
Thank you b. and all people keeping this little sanctuary alive!
Posted by: El Lissitzky | May 4 2023 18:44 utc | 456
All of the District Of Columbia’s Private Armies are illegal and UnConsitutional. Congress only has the Power; To provide for and maintain a Navy; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, ther Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training, the Militia according to the discipline prescribe by Congress; To provide for calling forth the Militia, to execute the Laws of the Union, surpress Insurrections and repel Invasions. Congress is the Enemy and has created the domestic enemies of the Union and refuses to Muster the States Militia. There is NO Militia in the Union only illegal Private standing Armies. All federal armed agencies are Unconsitutional and outlaw. Second Amendment “A Well regulatd Militia, being necessary to the Security of a free State, The right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The only thing stopping the criminals who have gained control of the Union is to destroy the Central Bank and flush out ALL those involved in even the smallest actions of Treason. Only the Militia that is already Armed but unorganized can do it. That is the greatest Fear of the inhabitants of the 10 square mile District Of Columbia.
Posted by: Stritchplatte | May 4 2023 20:34 utc | 457
This Prigozhin affair is getting very interesting. “Sacked” Deputy Defense Minister Colonel-General Mizintsev, in charge of logistics and supplies is now a senior Wagner operative.
Posted by: Suresh | May 5 2023 1:19 utc | 458
Why doesn’t Russia expel U.S. “diplomats”/spooks and shut down the U.S. Embassy if it is giving logistics to Ukraine/NATO from inside Russia?
Russia needs to cut all ties with a U.S. government which is seeking to destroy Russia and there’s no sign it will ever change that course.
Posted by: MiniMo | May 5 2023 2:45 utc | 459
Prigozhin has announced that Wagner will quit their Bakhmut engagement on May 10th, returning the war theater to the regular Russian army. As a reason, he mentioned unnecessary losses of Wagner that were due to shortages in ammunition.
I remember having heard of that complaint about being kept short on ammunition, a number of times during the recent weeks. Now seems to be the first time that Wagner follows it up by action.
RT covered the story this morning. According to them, the Kreml has acknowledged receiving Wagner’s announcement, but hasn’t issued an answer yet.
Posted by: grunzt | May 5 2023 9:22 utc | 460
convo with peter and paul…. glad that got worked out.. 2 posters who add a lot of value to moa..
Posted by: james | May 5 2023 9:39 utc | 461
very different personalities however.. this doesn’t have to mean conflict..
Posted by: james | May 5 2023 9:40 utc | 462
TG says: “Partial evacuation of residents of 18 frontline settlements in the Zaporizhzhia region has been officially announced”.
“Russian Federal Security Service has stopped the activities of a sabotage and terrorist group of Ukrainian special services agents on the territory of the Zaporozhye Region. As a result of measures taken at the preparation stage, a terrorist act against a Zaporozhye NPP executive was foiled (…) criminal activities were coordinated by officers of the Ukrainian defense ministry’s main intelligence directorate both directly and via a go-between in Finland.” tass.com/defense/1614073
Posted by: rk | May 5 2023 13:16 utc | 463
https://t.me/WarDonbass/110476
❗️Partial evacuation of residents of 18 frontline settlements of the Zaporozhye region was announced.
In total, according to his acting head of the Balitsky region, temporary relocation of residents from 18 settlements will be organized: Timoshovka, Smirnovo, Tarasovka, Orlyanske, Molochansk, Kuibyshevo, Prishib, Tokmak, Malaya Belozerka, Vasylivka , Velyka Belozerka, Dneprorudnoye, Mikhailovka, Kamenka-Dneprovskaya, Energodar, Pology, Horse Discord, Rozovka.
Another goodwill gesture coming…
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 5 2023 13:21 utc | 464
Another goodwill gesture coming…
Posted by: shadowbanned | May 5 2023 13:21 utc | 465
Don’t be mean. The evacuation is actually needed. They can’t push back the front line by force, so why keep the civilians there and have them killed? Also DU is coming anyway, they won’t be able to live there.
Posted by: rk | May 5 2023 13:34 utc | 465
@324 Gonzalo Lira has been detained by the SBU supposedly for spreading Russian Propaganda.
Posted by: Wappius Maximus | May 5 2023 14:56 utc | 466
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 4 2023 16:36 utc | 442
Slavs have done to your poor, innocent, guilty of no crimes, people ?
What’s a ‘Slav’, honkey? Another pseudo ethnic classification like ‘Jew’ ?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 6 2023 5:34 utc | 467
West of England Andy | May 3 2023 20:44 utc | 151
If, at any time of the BBC 24×7 coverage it becomes hard to bear, just think of Charlie the Turd, head of the Anglican church and fractured remnants of no longer great Britain, as one of Camilla’s slightly used tampons through the ceremony. [Hermit’s contribution to the festivities of the May 6 quasi-private greasing of a Right Royal Charlie in front of 2,000 VIPs]. Especially in his private moment hidden in a box while he is greased up by a Bishop. That really should bring back memories of his sticky days as a dirty schoolboy. Somebody should release a video of that, as a public service. At the end, one could have Di nodding her head and saying, “You got away with murder Charlie”!
Pretty sure it would go viral. Even among his mockesty’s subjects.
Posted by: Hermit | May 6 2023 5:36 utc | 468