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May 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-106
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Putin absolutely will not allow the assassination of Zelensky. When Russia is finished with grinding the Ukraine’s face in the mud, they will need a puppet to run what’s left of the Ukraine while the new constitution is written and referenda are held. Zelensky would be the ideal sock puppet for the Russians. They just have to flip Z-boy to the Russian side, and trust me, he will flip. Zelensky will eagerly flip. He’ll flip like a fish on a hot sidewalk. He’ll flip like one of those toy poodles on crack doing the one trick it knows over and over again desperately hoping for a pat on the head from his new boss, Putin. Posted by: William Gruff | May 3 2023 19:12 utc | 101 Ther kiev clown, conveniently, is away from ukraine until May 13th. Just as well. Will he return? Posted by: mo3 | May 3 2023 19:12 utc | 102 Units of the Wagner PMC advanced 230 meters and took control of an area of 54 square meters Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:13 utc | 103 Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:03 utc | 95 Posted by: Milites | May 3 2023 19:14 utc | 104 ” Peaceful means to end the wars is sooner the world dumps the dollar, the sooner the US war machine goes bankrupt. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 19:15 utc | 105 MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:07 utc | 97 Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:18 utc | 106 ❗️🇷🇺👉🇳🇴 The Ministry of Justice of Russia has included the Norwegian Environmental Foundation Bellona in the list of undesirable non-governmental organizations Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:20 utc | 107 I watched the video and am not sure if the drone even hit the flag pole. Posted by: Passerby | May 3 2023 19:21 utc | 108 I see no one has addressed my important comment from the previous thread about Ukraine being seen as Terrorist State from its failed drone attack. Head of the Duma Vyacheslav Volodin has now “branded Ukraine a terrorist state after a failed drone attack on the Kremlin” RT reports. Here’s most of the report:
One quibble, The Kiev regime didn’t seize an entire state; the Outlaw US Empire seized the state in its 2014 coup; thus, the Empire isn’t just a “direct accomplice;” it’s the Mother Terrorist using Zelensky and Ukraine as tools. Looks like Team Biden got the escalation they were hoping for. However, destroying Kiev won’t kill the Mother Terrorist; it will continue to live on until it’s finally and permanently put to death. is that (hate and hysterical blame of jewish people) a defining characteristic of true NAZI’s? Posted by: Not Ewe | May 3 2023 19:21 utc | 110 Deplorable Commissar @ 96
Everyone was flat broke leading up to WW2, they didn’t let that stop them. MMT really works, especially in war, even better in war, anyone that asks where the money comes from or goes to gets thrown in jail or shot. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 19:21 utc | 111 Meanwhile, despite the hand-wringing and crocodile tears from the trolls, the demilitarisation aspect of the SMO continues at a steady pace. Today’s “clobber list” from the Russian Defence Ministry: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12466143@egNews
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 19:27 utc | 112 Ever think the Russians are doing the best they can? Seems to be their lot in history – keep on keeping on. They do lose a lot of people though. Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:32 utc | 113 While Ukraine and USA keep denying their obvious objectives of genocide and making the world safe for trans and other delusions, Russia has been very clear and unwavering on theirs: demilitarization of Ukraine and the elimination of the Ukrainian Nazi movement. Every day there is less of the Ukrainian military (and as a bonus, less weapon systems and defense dollars throughout NATO) and every day more Nazis die. How is Russia not winning this military operation? Posted by: JT | May 3 2023 19:33 utc | 114 I dont understand. Why get rid of Zelensky? He is a fool. A comedian leading The Ukraine to its grave. Posted by: Golddiggr | May 3 2023 19:34 utc | 115 Lightyears #111. You say Europe was broke leading up to WW2, but back then, US was an industrial powerhouse during, cranking out a battle ship every 2 months. British seniors still alive today thank the US for saving their bacon. However since the 1970s, the US shipped it’s industrial base overseas and today it takes 8 years for the US to make a ship and the parts and 85 percent of all goods are imported from China who the US is provoking into war. “Stupid is as stupid does”- Forest Gump. Posted by: Willow | May 3 2023 19:34 utc | 116 “Russia and Russians are not taking this war serious enough by a long shot. NATO is in it for the long-run and U.S. and much of Europe seek to destroy Russia. Posted by: Comandante | May 3 2023 19:35 utc | 117 ⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦Failure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Zaporozhye Front: ours repelled the attack , the enemy suffered casualties Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 19:37 utc | 118 The Western media is an ally of the MIC, and follows the lead of the New York Times, Washington Post, and a few other “venerable” news/commentary/opinion organizations. They seem to be careful to not goad Russia over the attack on the Kremlin, and aren’t commenting on it in any way that would provide cover for a massive retaliation. Posted by: Babel-17 | May 3 2023 19:41 utc | 119 Again allow me to recommend WEAPON OF POWER, MATRIX OF MANAGEMENT: NATO’s Hegemonic Formula Posted by: Cerena | May 3 2023 19:42 utc | 120 Is Russians are not taking the war seriously. What are Westerners doing? LoL Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:45 utc | 121 The owners of the collective west – Banksters and fascist mega-corporations – are psychopathic enough to condemn the world to suicide by advanced weaponry. It is unfortunate that there’s no compulsory test on psychopathy for people in influential positions. Posted by: kupkee | May 3 2023 19:47 utc | 122 Squelch!
Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 19:48 utc | 123 ⚡️Blows were inflicted on Slavyansk, Kurakhovo and Konstantinovka – on the rear and places of concentration of the Bakhmut grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 19:51 utc | 125 Articman @ 88 Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 19:51 utc | 126 MiniMo @ 103
Eh? What are you talking about the MoD doesn’t publish stats, neither does Wagner. Prigozhin whines for whatever reason but anyone who follows numbers handed out in war, any war, is desperate for entertainment.
What’s up, is it really you today? You’re usually more lucid. What is China supposed to trade with the USA with? Or is China supposed to hit the USA with a sanctions tsunami like the USA hit Russia and suicide its economy? If war breaks out then so be it but why shoot yourself in the head before it even starts, leave that for the imbeciles in the west. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 19:52 utc | 127 Babel-17 Posted by: Jmaas | May 3 2023 19:56 utc | 129 Seems the Ukrainians made another “recon-in-force” and had to retreat, which actually led them losing their initial position. Just a theory, but if the Ukro forces are relatively scattered and not committed yet, it might yet cause disruptions in any offensive plan. Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 20:01 utc | 130 I do love it when those who have accurately predicted the general course of the war: Ukraine getting some punches in but being thoroughly stomped into the ground, in return, are accused of populating and contributing to an echo chamber. Where on the side, who understands basic military principles and the differences between the three levels of a conflict, has there ever been this level of inaccurate analysis?* Posted by: Milites | May 3 2023 20:02 utc | 131 Wake up people, you are being had. Both the West & The East (the leaders, that is) are on the same side, just acting like enemies. They both bow to the real rulers of this world, the Luciferian banking cabal who want a third world war so they can get their one world government and make the whole planet their slaves… Wake up… Posted by: Drapetomaniac | May 3 2023 20:05 utc | 132 Wagner says the ukrainian offensive has begun and they are still not being supplied. Posted by: southfront fan | May 3 2023 20:05 utc | 133 I think the really imbecilic stuff that UKR does comes from the British, ergo, this Kremlin drone thing was concocted by the British. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 20:07 utc | 134 The only question is whether the Nazis and CIA will let him live long enough to land that gig. Posted by: Drapetomaniac | May 3 2023 20:08 utc | 135 Senior Russian lawmaker Vyacheslav Volodin has called on Moscow to use any weapons necessary to remove the “Nazi regime” in Kiev. Posted by: Zet | May 3 2023 20:08 utc | 136 Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 18:41 utc | 75 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 3 2023 20:09 utc | 137 MiniMo @121 Posted by: Ancient Times | May 3 2023 20:10 utc | 138 The level of delusion here needs to be documened for future studies. When russia gets balkanized, the only response will be impotent ivans saying stupid shit on telegram. Russia is the only army getting ground into nothing, western coalition outmans and outguns russia by vast margin. No one in the west gives a shit about ukraine, just dumb sergeis fighting impotent ivans to exhaustion before NATO lands the killing blow. Posted by: Hahaha | May 3 2023 20:12 utc | 139 Posted by: Zet | May 3 2023 20:08 utc | 136 Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 20:12 utc | 140 All those events that occurred today are really strange, and I doubt we are told everything there is. Maybe not even half of it. Posted by: whirlX | May 3 2023 20:15 utc | 141 Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 19:51 utc | 126 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 20:16 utc | 142 The attack on the Kremlin was a provocation. For the RF leadership to allow itself to be provoked is to play straight into their hands. Not sure why folks who cannot see that, fail to see the obvious. Posted by: nwwoods | May 3 2023 20:19 utc | 143 Posted by: Hahaha | May 3 2023 20:12 utc | 139 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 20:24 utc | 144 Zelensky has left Finland for the Netherlands. Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 20:27 utc | 145 West of England Andy @ 142 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 20:29 utc | 146 “Zelensky reportedly on his way to the Netherlands. Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 20:30 utc | 147 unimperator @ 147
For all those egging for retaliation, here’s your Kinzhal wet dream. Don’t touch that dial! Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 20:33 utc | 148 Posted by: Apollyon | 3 May 2023 17:59 UTC | 47 Posted by: Posted by: Apollyon | May 3 2023 20:34 utc | 149 And those people on the ground are very disappointed in Russia’s lack of help and success so far. Posted by: Quo Vadis | May 3 2023 20:37 utc | 150
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 20:29 utc | 146 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 20:44 utc | 151 Zet @136–
Time will tell what the reaction is if one’s announced. I don’t know how I did it but I managed to post under the name appolyon. 149 Posted by: la bouteille | May 3 2023 20:47 utc | 153 Had to go out for an hour, wow this thread is on fire, in a good way. alot of first rate comments massively out weighing the bellingcat boys plus the regulars naysayers, like a ticking clock I hardly notice them. Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 20:48 utc | 154 Aleks / Black Mountain Analysis has a new piece. So far every one of them has been worth to read imo. Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 20:51 utc | 155 I guess Pavlograd really stuck in the craw. The response? A firecracker commercial drone stunt. Laughable. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 3 2023 20:52 utc | 156 ” What’s up, is it really you today? You’re usually more lucid. What is China supposed to trade with the USA with? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 20:55 utc | 157 MiniMo writes: Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2023 20:56 utc | 158 ” I dont understand. Why get rid of Zelensky? He is a fool. A comedian leading The Ukraine to its grave. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 21:01 utc | 159 Breaker one-nine, any barflies got a copy? Posted by: LtGen_Breedluvv | May 3 2023 21:02 utc | 160 ” Deplorable Commissar @ 96 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 21:04 utc | 161 # 145 Posted by: Dingo | May 3 2023 21:05 utc | 162 If I had a dime for every time Hal Turner broadcast some hysterical bovine excrement, I could have bought First Republic Bank all by myself. Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2023 21:05 utc | 163 You can smell the stink of desperation from the Trollingcat types and the True Believers. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | May 3 2023 21:06 utc | 164 ” is that (hate and hysterical blame of jewish people) a defining characteristic of true NAZI’s? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 21:08 utc | 165 A false flag assassination of Zelensky solves the problem of the delay of the great offensive and the stolen billions. There must be a desperate offensive, because Putin must pay, it will fail. Posted by: gary mcAvelli | May 3 2023 21:10 utc | 166
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 20:55 utc | 157 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 21:10 utc | 167 Il y a urgence pour les américains de déclencher une guerre mondiale. Posted by: JOUAN | May 3 2023 21:11 utc | 168 Probably launched within Russia. Probably not that difficult to assemble for someone with technical skills. Also in a NATO/EU city such as Brussels it would not be that difficult to fly such a thing from a short distance into an official building. We should not forget that there must be a number of moles among the Ukrainian refugees in Russia. Looks like a do-it-yourself terrorist attack, more of a pinprick. Posted by: Teraspol | May 3 2023 21:11 utc | 169 I saw, he is not due back in ukraine till the 13th of may. Posted by: mo3 | May 3 2023 21:15 utc | 170 ” Very good. But why didn’t Russia close it down over a year ago? I thought all these foreign-backed NGO’s were supposed to be closed down right after the announcement of the SMO. It makes me wonder how many are still operating. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 21:17 utc | 171 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 21:08 utc | 165 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 3 2023 21:19 utc | 172 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 19:48 utc | 123 Posted by: Milites | May 3 2023 21:20 utc | 173 @malenkov 163 Posted by: LtGen_Breedluvv | May 3 2023 21:22 utc | 174 IIRC, Z is scheduled to receive the Charlemagne Medal in Germany later this month. The medal has a notorious purpose and history. I think it’s done at Aachen. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | May 3 2023 21:23 utc | 175 Anyone else happen to catch this bit of nonsense?
Closest thing I can find to a source is UK tabloids. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2023 21:25 utc | 176
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 21:17 utc | 171
Why is it important? Turn your telescope around and look through the correct eyepiece. Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 21:27 utc | 177 “After today’s terrorist attack, there are no options left other than the physical elimination of Zelensky and his clique.” Posted by: Cerena | May 3 2023 21:29 utc | 178 The drone never hit the roof or the flagpole. It exploded by remote control. It was a small, battery operated drone. As a professional drone pilot myself I could see the drone was battery operated. This means it would have had a battery life of about 30 minutes at the most and would have had a maximum speed of about 40mph. The operator could not have been more than 20 miles away therefore. Posted by: HERMIUS | May 3 2023 21:31 utc | 179 @Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2023 21:25 utc | 176 Posted by: NoName | May 3 2023 21:32 utc | 181 Funny, most of you never say that ZioAmerica has to worry, when its patently obvious they are the instigators of all of this. Why is that ? Posted by: Mary | May 3 2023 21:33 utc | 182 mo3 @ 170
Let me guess, the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross? Are they still giving those out? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 21:39 utc | 183 Posted by: Milites | May 3 2023 21:20 utc | 173 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 21:46 utc | 184 @ Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2023 21:25 utc | 176 Posted by: whirlX | May 3 2023 21:46 utc | 185 All the russians need do is drop 500lb or 1000lb bombs on likely installations near the front that are housing petrol, food, ammo, trucks, guns, tanks. You can’t assault through big detonations like that. Posted by: Wokechoke | May 3 2023 21:51 utc | 186
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2023 21:25 utc | 176 Posted by: West of England Andy | May 3 2023 21:52 utc | 187 # 182 Posted by: Dingo | May 3 2023 21:55 utc | 188 Posted by: NoName | May 3 2023 21:32 utc | 181 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2023 21:56 utc | 189 The only time the UK tabloids are accurate are when they talk about 36DD bust measurements! And even then, I’d want to check for myself… Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2023 21:58 utc | 190 Its beyound my understanding why the collective west chose to back Zelensky in the fist place, what with his transvestite piano playing, coke habit and curuption. Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 22:00 utc | 191 Deplorable Commissar @ 157
I’ll ask you the same thing. It’s a two way street, China also buys from the USA, the USA would say pay in dollars. China wants to buy from the USA, they aren’t macro-economically stupid enough to build up a huge trade surplus and beggar their trade partners like Germany does in the EU. Macro is about balance, imbalance is an ailing economy, extremes are ruin, surplus or deficit doesn’t matter. The USA since 1973 has demanded that everyone pays in dollars, how well did that work out, at home and abroad? And anyway bankrupting the USA won’t stop it from sailing off to war, at this point they are well broke already have been for the last 15 years, a 100% obscure war economy is their last hope, China would be doing them a favor. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 22:06 utc | 192 Because the neocons would respond with nukes. Putin is trying to limit that sort of escalation. The neocons don’t care enough about Stoltenberg enough to go nuclear. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 22:06 utc | 193 ” To quote Her Royal Hilaryness: Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 22:09 utc | 194 The UK only days ago had a national alarm test by text message.(First time ever) Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 22:11 utc | 195 West of England Andy @ 188
What if the measurements are real but the boobs are fake? Do you get to keep the Pulitzer? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 22:11 utc | 196 Hope (allegedly) King Charles III doesn’t get a bad case of coronation chicken. Posted by: DomesticExtremist | May 3 2023 22:11 utc | 197 Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2023 21:32 utc | 180 Posted by: Nathan in WA US | May 3 2023 22:14 utc | 198 ” im not seeing a significant difference, here. i’d wager that both Biden and whoever his opponent is in 24 will at some point use “the American People” in a speech. they will also use the word “Americans”, probably more frequently. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 22:14 utc | 199 Milites, #173 Posted by: Jmaas | May 3 2023 22:17 utc | 200 |
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