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May 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-106
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Russia comments on Kremlin attack “We will respond whenever and wherever we see fit” Posted by: Dave Oneil | May 3 2023 16:43 utc | 1 By not retaliating against the constant aggression of Washington and Ukraine, Russia only encourages further escalation by the west. By trying to avoid world war, Russia’s government is playing it’s part in bringing one about. There is only one thing the fascists in Washington understand…. Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 3 2023 16:45 utc | 2 Someone has sentenced the coke-head of Kiev and his neo-Nazi collaborators to a death sentence with drone attack on the Kremlin. The hotheads in Poland and the Baltic should also start to worry. Posted by: Steve | May 3 2023 16:46 utc | 3 @ Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 3 2023 16:45 utc | 2 Posted by: DisillusionedGerman | May 3 2023 16:56 utc | 4 I’d be looking at the Nuland clan who want to force the issue and break the deadlock with the Godot offensive. What better way than to launch a symbolic act, designed to humiliate Russia. I’m wondering if this was as much a surprise to the Ukrainian Government as it was to the occupants of the Kremlin. Posted by: Milites | May 3 2023 16:59 utc | 5 All of you calling for a Russian response to Z´s recklessness need to remember that the rest of the world, as well as the Russians, are dealing with a régime in Washington headed up by a puppet controlled by dangerous megalomanic fools. Posted by: John Marks | May 3 2023 17:02 utc | 6 AmeriKA will fall one day, terribly. They caused irreparable damage to the Germans by blowing up NS1 and NS2. Posted by: AI | May 3 2023 17:07 utc | 7 @John Marks, I agree. Every day I am grateful for the cool calm professionalism of the Russians conduct in the face of unbeleivable provocation. History will recognize the Russian side, their competence and mindfulness of their responsibility to the world. The foam-mouthed Neocon death-cult on the other hand, and those Telegram weordos always with “WhY haVent the Russianz Nuked London yet!!!?!” bollocks can fuck right off, the answer to that question of course being that the Russians arent the capital-colonialist crusader culture that we have in the West, the colossal NATO-Karen in full globe-tantrum. Posted by: Loncal | May 3 2023 17:08 utc | 8 Re: Milites | 16:59 utc | 5 this attack on the kremlin is a good PR until it is not,i personely think it is part of the média war Posted by: Corto | May 3 2023 17:16 utc | 10 Russia doesn’t have to respond. They just have to win the war. All of these pin prick attacks are designed to cause an over reaction. They have little to no military purpose. Everything in the West is about creating a media story and propaganda. They don’t have the tools to defeat Russia in Ukraine so this is what we get. Russia is draining the West and is clearly winning the proxy war. The multipolar world and the rise of importance of BRICS is the development everybody should be focused on. The West is in desperation mode at this point hence the endless clamor for an offensive to change the dynamics in place. Posted by: goldhoarder | May 3 2023 17:16 utc | 11
Posted by: Apollyon | May 3 2023 17:17 utc | 12 If the west confuses Vladimir Putin’s calm headed restraint and sanity for weakness then their making a ghastly mistake. Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 17:20 utc | 13 Steve | May 3 2023 16:46 utc | 3 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:20 utc | 14 Whilst it appears to be a cogent strategy to methodically wear down, UkNazis, Nato, and the District of Corruption, droning the Kremlin is just as stupid as droning the White House. Posted by: kupkee | May 3 2023 17:21 utc | 15
Newsflash — they aren’t really trying to that either. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 3 2023 17:22 utc | 16 Putin knows his actions in response aren’t just to the West; the rest of the world is watching. Every time the global south sees a fair and measured response they get another nudge to move away the dollar and US hegemonic control. Posted by: Matthew | May 3 2023 17:23 utc | 17 A lot of speculation going on. Such is the fog of war. Posted by: young | May 3 2023 17:23 utc | 18
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17592 Posted by: Down South | May 3 2023 17:23 utc | 19
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/44433 Posted by: Down South | May 3 2023 17:26 utc | 20 Those Patriots are so great they are taking leftover Russian AD to the front lines. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 3 2023 17:28 utc | 21
1) What exactly is a “faired and measured” response to an attack against the Kremlin? Posted by: shadowbanned | May 3 2023 17:29 utc | 22 I had to Check Medvedevs telegram channel after reading Apollyon’s comment Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:30 utc | 23 ‼️💥The enemy went on the attack on the Zaporozhye front Posted by: unimperator | May 3 2023 17:30 utc | 24 @Down South | May 3 2023 17:26 utc | 20
The Russians will not do that, but Zelensky cannot be sure. He may want to occupy his Florida mansion. Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:33 utc | 25 shadowbanned | May 3 2023 17:29 utc | 22 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:35 utc | 26 Maybe should go elsewhere. For the glide bombs, I am seeing “planning” as a descriptor on them, but wondering if it should actually be “planing” (I am seeing this in telegram, not here) After all – no site had better coverage of the boeing 737 problems. TIA. Mange takk. Posted by: paxmark1 | May 3 2023 17:37 utc | 27 Zelensky has zero authority. NATO orchestrated the pin prick (failed) attack. Posted by: Exile | May 3 2023 17:38 utc | 28 Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:33 utc | 25 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:39 utc | 29 @Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:39 utc | 29
The “west” may have arranged this to scare Zelensky away. Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:43 utc | 30 ” Power production is restored, making it possible for Ukraine to resume exporting electricity to Moldova. The price during the day will be $95 MWh and at night – $55 MWh. Ukraine also has production capacity to export to the EU. ” Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 17:44 utc | 31 Zelensky says the Kremlin drone attack was nothing to do with him or Ukraine. (He lies) Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 17:45 utc | 32 Russia will take out Zelensky and his clique. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 3 2023 17:45 utc | 33 we will strike command centers if…” but they never did. Posted by: drsmith | May 3 2023 17:45 utc | 34 ” Someone has sentenced the coke-head of Kiev and his neo-Nazi collaborators to a death sentence with drone attack on the Kremlin. The hotheads in Poland and the Baltic should also start to worry. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 17:46 utc | 35 ” Absolutely this! I often wonder, why so little has been done in response by Russia. At the beginning of the SMO they said something alike “we will strike command centers if…” but they never did. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 17:47 utc | 36 kupkee@15…if it were an attack on the White House the USAF would have shot down every balloon over the USA. …. Chinese lanterns included. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 3 2023 17:48 utc | 37 ” @John Marks, I agree. Every day I am grateful for the cool calm professionalism of the Russians conduct in the face of unbeleivable provocation. History will recognize the Russian side, their competence and mindfulness of their responsibility to the world. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 17:48 utc | 38 @DisillusionedGerman | May 3 2023 16:56 utc | 4
Yes. the theory is that you are wrong. Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:49 utc | 39 You can watch the drone attacks on the Kremlin and them being shot down in this PressTV link. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 3 2023 17:52 utc | 40 @RepublicOfScotland Posted by: Apollyon | May 3 2023 17:53 utc | 41 Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:33 utc | 25 Posted by: anon2020 | May 3 2023 17:54 utc | 42 The three matial arts that stand out in the world is Thai boxing, Russian Sambo and Brazilian Jujitsu, in no particular order, though to me the Thai fighting stands out. Wannabes go to the fight schools and the first thing trainers look at is how much punishment they can absorb. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:54 utc | 43 The Ukrainian postal service never misses a beat, a new postage stamp is out Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:55 utc | 44 My less than 2 cents. 1. When I first heard about the drone strike on depot-refinery in Sevastopol, I thought, can’t be 1000 sq meters (33 x 33), at least 10,0000, but MacGregor said just one tank, refinery still works. And after the most recent drone, picture of one tank being sucsessfully quenched, so seems reasonable to assume real good cep, small explosive. Posted by: paxmark1 | May 3 2023 17:57 utc | 45 Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:43 utc | 30 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 17:58 utc | 46 @Peter AU1 Posted by: Apollyon | May 3 2023 17:59 utc | 47 : Apollyon (41). Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 3 2023 18:00 utc | 48 @Apollyon | May 3 2023 17:59 utc | 47
Agreed, when looking at that video again it is clear the drone flew past the flag pole (on the far side) before being shot down. Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 18:03 utc | 49 @Apollyon | May 3 2023 17:59 utc | 47 Posted by: the pessimist | May 3 2023 18:05 utc | 50 I think, they (whoever) wanted to hit the flag. It would be a huge symbolic attack. And you can see the grandstands for the celebration on May 9th in front of the Kremlin. One can imagine what would happen, if these grandstands are packed with people and suddenly a drone appears in the sky. Posted by: Apollyon | May 3 2023 18:06 utc | 51 Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 17:47 utc | 36 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:07 utc | 52 The hight and trajectory of the drone clearly shows that it would have missed the dome of the Kremlin completely had it followed it course. Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 18:08 utc | 53 Not to worry… “global business interests “ and “global stock markets” will be the guide for every measure and counter measure. Not the lives of any citizens anywhere, let alone “national leaders” are fair game and have been for decades now. Not sure how this is any different from Maduro et el. So what if Russia has nukes, a lot of countries do, it’s obviously open season regardless. Posted by: Trubind1 | May 3 2023 18:09 utc | 54 Apollyon | May 3 2023 17:59 utc | 47 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:11 utc | 55 The people in Moscow think the war is far away. This is a reminder that it is not and perhaps will be helpful to the war effort. Stunts like the postage stamp (and the earlier ones of the bridge attack) will likely irritate Russians and will do little for morale in Ukraine. Both of these efforts suggest foreknowledge – cartoon images ready to be rolled out. Posted by: the pessimist | May 3 2023 18:14 utc | 56
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/44438 Posted by: Down South | May 3 2023 18:16 utc | 57 If the likes of London or Washington were to be on the receiving end of an incoming drone attack can we be sure it won’t be interpreted as a nuclear attack. From my perspective things look ominous. Posted by: Harry Terms | May 3 2023 18:16 utc | 58 we will strike command centers if…” but they never did. Posted by: Tuk | May 3 2023 18:18 utc | 59 typos typos typos as the worms wriggle out of the woodwork. Featherless with its concern trolling. Trans trolls. I guess I am a little past diplomacy. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:21 utc | 60 Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 17:33 utc | 25 Posted by: Down South | May 3 2023 18:22 utc | 61 “…Funny, most of you never say that ZioAmerica has to worry, when its patently obvious they are the instigators of all of this. Why is that ?…” Deplorable Commissar@35 Posted by: bevin | May 3 2023 18:23 utc | 62 I wouldnt want to be the guy protecting the flag pole at Buckingham palace. Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 18:23 utc | 63
Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 18:25 utc | 64 @4 it’s because the decision centers aren’t in ukraine. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 3 2023 18:25 utc | 65 There is a reason why it’s called SMO and not a war. Posted by: Koyaanisqatsi | May 3 2023 18:26 utc | 66 Mark2 | May 3 2023 18:23 utc | 63 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:27 utc | 67 Tuk: In today’s great geopolitical chess game one would be sorely tempted to call elensky the queen . . . except that in chess the queen is the most powerful piece. The king is good for little more than hiding behind fortifications . . . so yeah, elensky is the king. Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2023 18:29 utc | 68 SwissArmyMan @ 21
That sure is a good point. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 18:30 utc | 69 @ Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 3 2023 16:45 utc | 2 Posted by: Jmaas | May 3 2023 18:31 utc | 70 malenkov | May 3 2023 18:29 utc | 68 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:35 utc | 72 Peter Au1 @ 67 Posted by: Mark2 | May 3 2023 18:35 utc | 73 After watching Mercouris’ latest, it seems that what’s left of the UAF in Artemosvk is no longer a disciplined military force, but suicidal martyrs. Posted by: Chris | May 3 2023 18:37 utc | 74 I am guessing this was arranged to provoke Russia to make Zelensky a Martyr. That way the fading support for the US war in Ukraine could be renewed. Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 18:41 utc | 75 The drone attack at the Kremlin can only raise the level of concern for those responsible for the security and smooth running of Tampax Rex’s crowning. Posted by: Ново з | May 3 2023 18:41 utc | 76 The drone attack at the Kremlin can only raise the level of concern for those responsible for the security and smooth running of Tampax Rex’s crowning. Posted by: Ново з | May 3 2023 18:41 utc | 77 The day after the Pavlograd explosions you are asking why Russia isn’t doing anything or isn’t doing enough? LOL Posted by: nathan in WA US | May 3 2023 18:42 utc | 78 @ JustAMaverick | May 3 2023 16:45 utc
Death? Posted by: majoab | May 3 2023 18:42 utc | 79 Todays SitRep’s. Mark2 | May 3 2023 18:35 utc | 73 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:44 utc | 81 ” typos typos typos as the worms wriggle out of the woodwork. Featherless with its concern trolling. Trans trolls. I guess I am a little past diplomacy. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 18:44 utc | 82 “Would the American People cry or cheer if the Dung Heap on the Potomac disappeared?” Posted by: Cerena | May 3 2023 18:48 utc | 83 Looking at the video of the “assassination attempt” I can’t help but think this is just part of the big theatre we’re being presented with. Most people seem to believe in it. I mean, have you seen the video? There is *no way* that drone could have done anything to Putin, unless Putin was on the rooftop, which he obviously wasn’t. This is just more fuel for the fire, more reasons for escalating this conflict for the World War 3. Posted by: just somebody | May 3 2023 18:48 utc | 84 Clue: Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 18:48 utc | 85 Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 18:44 utc | 82 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 18:50 utc | 86 A sensible comment, apart from the Zio nonsense worth thinking about. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 18:53 utc | 87 Deplorable and Shadow are on a roll, but it is easier to just skip their lopsided views… nothing more than ukie intelligence groupie thinking as far as I can discern. Anyway, deplorable is being his schizophrenic self, vacillating between lucidity and self-immolation…lots of copium and diversionary posts today, and not even “tea time”. Posted by: Arcticman | May 3 2023 18:57 utc | 88 weponized grouse,who the hell is writing this script. Posted by: GT Stroller | May 3 2023 18:57 utc | 89 @75 yes, Norwegian, I bet Zelensky is probably just as worried that the western special forces that haunt ukraine may just finish the job if the Russians don’t take the bait. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | May 3 2023 18:57 utc | 90 The west is doing every provocation possible to get the Russians to blow their wad early in this SMO/hybrid war thing. The Russians have to do everything in sync with the Chinese, whether this turns into WW3 or not neither are fully prepared for it and it would be foolish to not make that the priority – otherwise if Russia loses the SMO, they lose it all. That’s what the west doesn’t get, that Russia losing the SMO would only be Dunkirk. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 3 2023 18:59 utc | 91 Ther kiev clown, conveniently, is away from ukraine until May 13th. Just as well. Will he return? Posted by: HERMIUS | May 3 2023 18:59 utc | 92
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/44450 Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 19:01 utc | 93
Noam Chomsky pointed that out recently: Posted by: Apollyon | May 3 2023 19:03 utc | 94 Russia’s half-baked war has emboldened the Ukrainians and NATO. They are striking more and more in Russian territory. Russia will never win the war if it won’t take it seriously and only has temporary reactions to Ukrainian “surprises”. Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:03 utc | 95 ” Deplorable and Shadow are on a roll, but it is easier to just skip their lopsided views… nothing more than ukie intelligence groupie thinking as far as I can discern. Anyway, deplorable is being his schizophrenic self, vacillating between lucidity and self-immolation…lots of copium and diversionary posts today, and not even “tea time”. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 3 2023 19:04 utc | 96 shadowbanned | May 3 2023 17:29 utc | 22 Posted by: MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:07 utc | 97 Peaceful means to end the wars is sooner the world dumps the dollar, the sooner the US war machine goes bankrupt. Posted by: Willow | May 3 2023 19:08 utc | 98 MiniMo | May 3 2023 19:07 utc | 97 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 3 2023 19:11 utc | 99
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/62891 Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2023 19:11 utc | 100 |
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