Mark Sleboda - The Nazi streets of Ukraine ... h/t nakedcapitalism

Includes useful ethno-linguistic map as well - useful reminder ....

Well worth perusing ...

https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/the-nazi-streets-of-ukraine

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2023 15:37 utc | 370

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2023 16:04 utc | 1

iirc. Ukraine troops occupied entrenched position and inflicted heavy casualties on U.S. assault waves at Omaha beach on d day

enemy of the neocon’s enemy is our idol

Posted by: paddy | May 13 2023 16:17 utc | 2

Controlling the narrative ... it is an entire Industry ... and this is how it is done ... control the media - control the message

V useful graphic - and useful read - excellent research

Report on the Censorship-Industrial Complex: The Top 50 Organizations to Know

The citizen's starter kit to understanding the new global information cartel

SUSAN SCHMIDT, ANDREW LOWENTHAL, TOM WYATT, TECHNO FOG, AND 4 OTHERS
10 MAY 2023

https://www.racket.news/p/report-on-the-censorship-industrial-74b

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2023 16:23 utc | 3

I’d advocate mailing these MSM ‘journalists’ direct to let them know that we know what they’re up to. As b says they’re producing propaganda that downplays fascism, neo-Nazism and historically Nazism. The more deplorable here may insist on calling it National Socialism in an failed attempt to smear socialism. Whatever, we know what the Kyiv junta is comprised of.

Challenge the stenographers. Call out the propagandists. Appeal to their consciences to refrain from continuing in the tradition of Goebbels. You have to contact them directly, civilly as far as possible, because comments on MSM message boards just get deleted by the censors. Maybe it’s a waste of time appealing, but I’d rather these lying (by omission) bastards feel as uncomfortable as possible.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | May 13 2023 16:25 utc | 4

I see the same thing happening with the Z meeting with Pope Frank.

None are talking about the implications and conflict with Russian orthodoxy......the bottom line difference to me is usury which brings us back to the God Of Mammon cult that I continue to say runs the West and has Pope Frank and King Chuck with at least titular membership.

Will humans discuss our existing forms of social organization and make decisions about how to evolve as a species? No adults in this room it seems.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2023 16:29 utc | 5

Both RFK, jr and Trump are publicly against the U.S. War Machine in Ukraine. Both want Peace.
So... can the CIA/FBI and the rest of the District of Corruption Dung Beetles assassinate 2 key opponents in an Election Season ?
RFK, sr. and Martin Luther King says, yes, the scum of the earth are at the ready, in Washington's dark rooms, waiting for the right moment.
And most important of all for the American Public, will they make a TicTok video of their happy dance?

Posted by: kupkee | May 13 2023 16:35 utc | 6

Watched the Nike shoes movie.
(It's a major production film, major actors, big budget, shown Nationwide to millions.)

They highlight in the movie,
"Adidas is operated by neonazis Hitler youth."

seems the Nazi cultists are being exposed in big way this weekend, estimated
fifty million people will know by Monday morning!

Posted by: Thomas G Franklin | May 13 2023 16:41 utc | 7

more worrying than hiding the nazis is the open reinterpretation/justification of widespread Western nazi-like behavior:
1. depicting Russians as historically evil (holodomor, Stalin), even genetically, anthropologically evil, unprovoked aggressors
2. and thus justifying forceful, undemocratic "reactions" of all governments/ groups/ individuals, either historically (historic Nazis) or the recent militias, proxy-war, terrorism, censorship, Russophobia, armament

Posted by: marmic | May 13 2023 16:47 utc | 8

@Don Firineach | May 13 2023 15:37 utc | 1

Thank you for the link. The resurrection of Nazism on our planet is a disgrace.

Posted by: Phlogiston_Warrior | May 13 2023 16:50 utc | 9

Media obfuscation in the service of Nazism/Fascism isn't new and began in the 1930s with the rise of those isms. We must thank George Seldes for exposing all that and much more with his reporting and book publications. Learning that nascent Big Media within the USA was corrupt and supported those isms, Seldes went independent in 1940 with In Fact whose overall titles conveyed their own story. From the linked Wiki Bio:

[The initial full title] In Fact: For the millions who want a free press and later In Fact: An Antidote for Falsehood in the Daily Press, "a four-page weekly compendium of news other newspapers wouldn't print." Washington Post editor and later press critic Ben Bagdikian and former New York Post reporter Victor Weingarten said, "When Seldes was no longer printed by the mainstream press, he was an important conduit to the journalistic community, who knew that there were flaws in the system, but often couldn't get printed in their own newspapers, because the press cannot be a watchdog on itself. So they fed stories critical of the press to Seldes"; Seldes himself said that more than 200 newspapermen gave him stories every week.

That provides barflies with some contextual background to the publication of the Censorship Industrial Complex that's making the rounds that I linked to here. I've promoted Seldes work here before and urge readers to download and read his first major (1929) book, You Can't Print That. Seldes was the inspiration for Izzy Stone who followed Seldes methods of reporting in 1953 with his own newsletter because of being blacklisted by McCartyism. So, what b reports as happening today has many precedents all for very similar reasons revolving around the need to obfuscate the federal government's alliance with Fascism of which it's the #1 global supporter today.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2023 16:52 utc | 10

Yes, the side backing Ukraine is totally in control of the narrative, the truth is not relevant and any discussion of the said narrative is just playing into their hands.

Posted by: Dave | May 13 2023 17:01 utc | 11

@Phlogiston_Warrior | May 13 2023 16:50 utc | 9

You are welcome. Since 2014, as a European, I feel shame and then rage ... it is utterly depressing ... and to see Germany cheerleading and supporting it ...

Fascism must, I repeat must, be heavily defeated this time.

Despair is not an option - Russians saved us from fascism once at huge cost -

... they must do so again.

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2023 17:14 utc | 12

Donald Trump has survived so far because at least since 2016 (when I first read about it), he has had private security and not depended on the Secret Service that dismally failed JFK.

I hope that RFK Junior learned from the fates of his uncle, father, and cousin that he must have private security.

Posted by: Lysias | May 13 2023 17:28 utc | 13

@3 Don Firineach:

There's also the "Global Alliance for Responsible Media", where the largest advertisers, marketing agencies and media corporations work together to demonetise harmful content and misleading content.

Posted by: luky | May 13 2023 17:29 utc | 14

It's interesting that the highest ideas of Ukro nationalists, have rather a necrophiliac tone to it. Even beyond the usual fascist fixations on "conflict" & "cleaness".

Almost as if they have a sneaking awareness that Ukraine has no future. So death whilst trying to cause as much harm as possible is all there is.

A depressing bunch. At least the OG fascists had visions of the "glorious nation/race future" that weren't "burn out before you fade away" nihilism.

Posted by: Urban Fox | May 13 2023 17:52 utc | 15

Aside from a few moments in history (circa 1930s-1940s) open displays of fascism have generally been frowned upon so imagine the Kiev Nazi delight when it was realised the West will literally normalise & run interference for their symbols & ideology.
This is from less than a month ago: the BBC reporting on Kiev regime drone operators, one of whom is sporting an SS death's head patch.
https://twitter.com/OutOfPlaceAudio/status/1652411172916740099?t=SIxhne0ncXuLnfMg7qmx4w&s=19

Posted by: FakeBelieve | May 13 2023 17:54 utc | 16

thanks b.... it is worth reporting and sharing, far and wide...

@ Lev Davidovich | May 13 2023 16:25 utc | 4

that is a good idea, if you can get contact info for these stenographers for the empire...

Posted by: james | May 13 2023 17:57 utc | 17

Posted by: Dave | May 13 2023 17:01 utc | 11

Inferiority of usa so strong it's dilusional and blinding.
USA today will blame, with straight face,
blame UFO's as Russia aircraft! They can't detect or stop. So it's now a ufo! Very cultlike

Posted by: Thomas G Franklin | May 13 2023 17:59 utc | 18

"lead the white races of the world in a final crusade...against Semite-led Untermenschen".

And then they go on to start world war 3 in the name of nuland and zelensky, in order to give every single thing on this planet (beginning with their own children, women and land) to blackrock for free, kill their culture and families for soros, enslave all the white people for schwab, genocide everyone with bourla.

None of those jews are semites though, so maybe there's a logic there?

Posted by: Mike | May 13 2023 18:07 utc | 19

I hope that RFK Junior learned from the fates of his uncle, father, and cousin that he must have private security.
Posted by: Lysias | May 13 2023 17:28 utc | 13

It was RFK's private security guard, Thane Eugene Cesar, who killed him.

Speaking of the power of the media, the official coroner's report on RFK's death reported that the shot that killed RFK was to the back of the head, so close that it left a powder burn.

But the media said that Sirhan Sirhan did it, although he was in front of RFK and never got that close before onlookers took him down. His bullets all went wild, also.

So millions of Americans don't know about the coroner's report, or Thane Eugene Cesar, and believe that Sirhan Sirhan was the assasin.

I forgot Cesar's name, so googled for "RFK assassin". I got multiple pages with the Official Story, before I found his name.
The Mighty Wurlitzer of propaganda now includes search engines.

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 13 2023 18:15 utc | 20

This exactly concerns me most as well. It’s clear that there always have been a nationalsocialst temptation exist in every society. This always has been in practical use of the crowd designer. But it’s worth to remind the definition of fascism by the communists. It’s the most aggressive form of the imperialism. The perfect alignment of interest of state and cooperation. To say it in positive words , the final blossom that capitalism creates on its way into a grave. Faschoesque occasions are a sign of losing steam in the global work machine.

Posted by: rico rose | May 13 2023 18:20 utc | 21

Thane Cesar was not a full-time bodyguard. He was hired part-time by a private security outfit to help provide security for the one occasion. Trump's security has been and is led by a full-time bodyguard working for Trump himsrlf.

Posted by: Lysias | May 13 2023 18:37 utc | 22

@luky | May 13 2023 17:29 utc | 14

It is mentioned in the piece I posted above.

The sheer range of entities attempting, and largely,succeeding to influence what people see and hear and know is astounding - and they are very well funded.

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2023 19:08 utc | 23

Most disgusting image in the papers on May 9th was one of the mayor of Berlin and the ambassador of Ukraine in Berlin laying down flowers at a ww2 memorial. It was hard to tell what exactly they were mourning - the victims of the war or the fact that their side lost.

What's rather worrying here in Germany is the fact that in spite of all the 'anti-right' and 'never again nazi' racket the ruling regime resembles the Nazis more and more, not in the exact same manner (not raging against Jews or building camps or the like), but in that rabid, dogmatic fanatism that convinces them that they alone know what's best for all, they alone can tell right from wrong and they alone can 'save the world'. The hubris is mind-boggling, as is the delusion, and the idiocy. The country goes to rack and ruin and they are basking in their imaginary goodness, righteousness and glory. They even carry their Nazi-past like a crown, something along the line that they were the worst sinners and are therefore now the greatest saints. It's a freak show so utterly absurd that it's hardly possible to even describe it without sounding like a loony yourself. Maybe one day someone will make a slapstick comedy about it. Something between Dr. Strangelove, Idiocracy and Schtonk.

And it is more than worrying when those delusional jacobins that are wrecking Germany right now like a bunch of rabid chimpanzees on speed buddy up with the Banderites in Ukraine. Well, it probably shouldn't have surprised anyone. Birds of a feather...

The sad thing is that Germany had a good thing going, until for some lunacy no one sane will ever be able to understand or explain it blasted it all to hell.

Posted by: Katharina | May 13 2023 19:27 utc | 24

Thane Eugene Cesar's relevant past was detailed very well by RFKjr in this extremely extensive interview that IMO is a must read if you live within the Empire. Here's the true tale:

[RFKjr:] Well, at this point, I think Sirhan was part of that ambush of my father. I do not believe that Sirhan actually killed my father.

But for many years, my understanding of it was the conventional understanding, which was that Sirhan had killed my father because my father had committed to defending Israel in the presidential debates.

My understanding of what happened, of the assassination, is more complex now. I do not believe Sirhan actually fired the bullets that killed my father.

[Q:] Were you persuaded by the evidence of the tape, where you can hear many more shots than Sirhan Sirhan fired from his gun?

No, the thing that persuaded me, that first persuaded me was Paul Schrade, who was standing beside my father—he was the vice president of the UAW and a very close friend who had discovered Cesar Chavez and introduced him to my father. But he was also shot that night. Five or six years ago, he basically forced me to come over to his house and sit at his kitchen table and read Thomas Noguchi’s autopsy report. And once you read that, it’s impossible to believe that Sirhan had killed my father.

Because Sirhan fired two shots at my father. He had a revolver with eight shots in the chamber. And he fired two shots. One of them hit the door jamb behind my father and was later removed by the police. The other one hit Paul Schrade. And then his gun was turned. He was pounced on by ultimately six people. A big dog pile, who pinned him on a steam table, and forced the gun away from my father.

Rafer Johnson [who helped subdue Sirhan] talks about how this little man, he had superhuman strength. And they could not wrest the gun from his hand. And he fired off six more shots. All of those shots hit people. We know who they hit. One person got hit twice, through his clothing once, but the shots were going away from my father.

According to Noguchi’s autopsy, my father was killed by four shots fired from behind him.

Sirhan never got behind him. Sirhan was in front of him. And those shots were all contact shots. So they left carbon tattoos on his body, which means the barrel of the gun could never not have been more than an inch from his body, and in some cases were clearly touching his body. And they were fired upward, at upward angle, suggesting the person who fired them was holding the gun close to his body and concealing it while firing it upward.

The fatal shot was the one from behind his ear.

Sirhan never got that near. There were 77 eyewitnesses, and everybody placed Sirhan five feet in front of my father.

[Q:] So who do you think did fire the shots that killed your father?

I think the person who did it was [Thane] Eugene Cesar, who was the security guard who had just got the job two nights before. And who was holding my father’s elbow. He hated my father, and he—

{Q:] Why?

He was very racist. And he thought my father was handing the country over to Blacks.

And he was also a CIA asset. He had top security clearance at the Lockheed plant. And he had just gotten the job as security. And he’s the one who steered my father into the ambush. He grabbed my father’s elbow.

My father was not supposed to go into the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel.

[Q:] Don’t they usually say that was Fred Dutton who brought your dad into the kitchen?

But Cesar picked him up at the doorway and guided them into Sirhan’s ambush.

And then he pulled his gun.

There were 12 people who saw him pull his gun. My father clearly knew he was being shot from behind because he rotated and pulled off Cesar’s tie, his clip-on tie. And as he fell, he had the tie in his hand.

He fell on Cesar and Cesar then pushed my father off of him and stood up with his gun drawn.

When he was asked later, “Why did you have your gun drawn?” He said, “I was firing at Sirhan,” but that didn’t happen.

And then he lied about what he did with the gun.

His gun was ultimately recovered. There’s people here in Los Angeles who are testing it right now, but it made a long, bizarre sojourn, where it was stolen by teenagers, it was thrown into a lake, and it was sold to another guy. A month after my father’s death, Cesar sold it to another guy from the Lockheed plant who was retiring and went to Arkansas.

And he told the police he had sold that gun and he told the guy, “This was used in a crime. Don’t ever show it to anybody.”

He told the police he had sold that gun in May before my father’s death, but the guy from Arkansas said, “No, he sold it to me in July of ’68.”

Then a bunch of things happened with that gun, that ended up now with a collector here in Los Angeles.

And then the ballistics do not match. And there were more shots fired than Sirhan had. There are too many conundrums to explain that it was Sirhan Sirhan. It doesn’t make any sense, when you start looking, at even a cursory examination of what happened that night.

The LAPD brought in a special team to do the investigation. It was called the Special Units Center. And that team were all LAPD officers who had been trained at the farm in Virginia at CIA’s headquarters, and then dispatched to duty in Los Angeles, in Latin America for the CIA. And then were brought back to this investigation. Prior to Sirhan’s trial, there were 2,800 photographs destroyed by the police and incinerators. And a lot of the material evidence was also destroyed. It was a very bizarre case.

Any lawyer could have gotten Sirhan off anyway, because the ballistics didn’t match. But unfortunately, Sirhan was given a lawyer who was also the lawyer for [famous American gangsters] Mickey Cohen and Johnny Roselli, who had their own involvement in the JFK assassination. And they provided him with the lawyer who told him to plead guilty.

As I said, the interview is a must read as there's more revelations than the above. IMO, this is the first thing to read before reading any of his speeches or looking at what's been written in his name at his campaign website. I recall soon after the 2000 election Nader said the only way to alter the nation's direction was for an elite to gain control. Well, IMO Trump doesn't qualify as the sort of elite Nader had in mind but RFKjr does. But what's important about his revelation is the fact that the plot to eliminate RFK came from the CIA and its Fascist/Nazi core.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2023 20:03 utc | 25

Speaking of RFK Jr., Russell Brand's site now has up a spectacular interview of him up in which he details how the U.S. Deep State has been behind covid all along. https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1657175672660566016

Posted by: Lysias | May 13 2023 20:33 utc | 26

Inkan1969: I’m inclined to doubt that Marine LePen is a neo-Nazi in any meaningful sense. Her dad, maybe. But it is true, as any perusal of the comments on this site will demonstrate, that there’s no shortage of unsavory types who support Russia.

Meanwhile, Inkan1969, how about the proud Nazi types who support the cause of 404?

Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2023 20:36 utc | 27

Our Nazi terrorist screwballs inevitably bounce back, lately into France...

The two newly jailed Neo-Nazis were reportedly “asked all day” by police following their arrest why they carried military equipment, possession of which is absolutely illegal under French law, into the country. An obvious answer is that the pair were planning to bring the terror of Ukraine’s battlefields back home with them.

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/05/09/neo-nazi-terror-threat-grows-as-ukraine-fighters-jailed-in-france/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 13 2023 20:41 utc | 28

Aleph_Null: Precisely the types Baby Napoleon needs to combat the latter-day Gilets jaunes types. Maybe they’ll be freed and recruited for “la Republique en marche.”

Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2023 20:45 utc | 29

malenkov: It's difficult for me to imagine that the threat Kit Klarenberg describes (in the linked grayzone article) has been unleashed on "the West" unwittingly. My default assumption is that people mean to do exactly what they're doing.

The fear part of fear/uncertainty/doubt. Without Orangeman, the Democrat party (motto: "we're not Orange") would have no reason to exist, would it?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 13 2023 21:00 utc | 30

According to the Amazon site, RFK Jr.'s new book, The Wuhan Cover-Up: How US Health Officials Conspired with the Chinese Military to Hide the Origins of COVID-19, will be out on June 20.

Posted by: Lysias | May 13 2023 21:01 utc | 31

“The fear part of fear/uncertainty/doubt. Without Orangeman, the Democrat party (motto: "we're not Orange") would have no reason to exist, would it?”

Indeed, Aleph_Null, indeed. That’s been the Dim Party electoral strategy since the end of the Slick Willy presidency, after sll.

Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2023 21:08 utc | 32

someone might want to archive that wikipedia page for Andriy Biletsky before the script writers for wikipedia clean it up...

Posted by: james | May 13 2023 21:16 utc | 33

What's rather worrying here in Germany [...] that rabid, dogmatic fanatism that convinces them that they alone know what's best for all [...] The hubris is mind-boggling, as is the delusion, and the idiocy. The country goes to rack and ruin and they are basking in their imaginary goodness, righteousness and glory. They even carry their Nazi-past like a crown

Posted by: Katharina | May 13 2023 19:27 utc | 24

So true, Katharina! I wonder how many people understand this... impossible for me to say because all discussions with strangers will never go that far. The most I can achieve when talking to "normal people" is pointing out the hypocrisy, and they may admit it's not good (but of course we have to stand strong against Putin etc.)

I've come to the realisation that academics are the *worst*, statistically speaking. I believe that working people have a clearer picture and less of the hubris you describe. One well-known historical tidbit is that academics and doctors were the strongest proponents after Machtergreifung. Would be nicer if it felt less samey...

Posted by: Konami | May 13 2023 21:20 utc | 34

Konami: In my experience both academics and proletarians are equally hopeless. Worse, they tend to share the same prejudices.

The only hope is to think as a reasonable individual. But then one is alone and despised by all sides. Oh well.

Posted by: malenkov | May 13 2023 21:50 utc | 35

The US/UK used Jihadi in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and hope to use them in Iran. Of course they'll use nazi in Ukraine and elsewhere. There isn't much point in calling it out anymore. Either Russia wins or it doesn't.

Posted by: John W. | May 13 2023 21:53 utc | 36

I would hope that James's reply @ 17 to Lev Davidovich's suggestion @ 4 is sarcastic.

These MSM stenographers / propagandists may be every bit as fanatical as the Nazis they support in Ukraine, especially when they have invested so much time and effort into supporting them and their invidious ideology. Nothing short of a complete brain transplant is likely to change their minds. Trying to persuade the leading writers at MSM outfits like The Guardian, The Independent and the BBC (themselves now mere extensions of the British propaganda industry - and why try writing to Guardian and Independent idiots anyway?) is a waste of time and energy, and at worst may lead to people writing to such writers being identified and coming to the attention of the police and other security forces.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 13 2023 22:05 utc | 37

There seems to be some confusion between political-economies and their underlying isms that have government working with and directing industry to promote the people's wellbeing while avoiding the growth of a Class aimed at using the government for their own purposes, and government aiding industry to advance the interests of industry/finance at the expense/to the determent of the people that promotes a Class of people capable of taking over the government and succeed. As Hudson details, these are the two systems into which the world is being divided, which in some respects it already was. Welfare State systems were created to mollify the public while Capitalists gained control of the government; and when Industrial Capitalists were supplanted by Financial Capitalists, the basic foundations of the Welfare State began to be dismantled where they existed and prevented from arising elsewhere via IMF and World Bank edicts.

IMO, this distinction is extremely important as it shows where Fascism diverges from the sort of Capitalist development anticipated by Marx. And this distinction also shows what went wrong within the Soviet Union--a Class of people was able to gain control of the government to the detriment of the public and ceased caring about the public's interest and thus denied their own political philosophy--an important observation made by Xi Jinping. Thus, the big difference between what happened to the USSR and China in their development.

Russia's initial attempts to eliminate Tsardom and replace it with a republican form of government whose task was to support the people were extremely rocky but were advancing in the correct direction until WW1 interrupted and destabilized the process which allowed it to become radicalized and opened Russia up to one of the first 20th Century attempts at a Color Revolution that was very close to being 100% successful for the Kaiser's Germany. But the attempt was made too late and ended in failure. As Putin indicated during his April 28th speech to the Council of Legislators, the government's purpose is to support the people so the people can make the state strong:

The first Chairman of the Duma, Sergei Andreevich Muromtsev, highly appreciated the potential of institutions of broad popular representation, believed that their main task was to strengthen people's faith "in statehood as a bulwark of their rights and a source of sincere concerns about the people's welfare", and the state as a whole, according to him, should be "the subject of the people's cause".

Indeed, many of your predecessors, the first Russian parliamentarians, fervently and sincerely defended the interests of the people, cared about the people's welfare, sought to benefit their native country, and considered it their highest duty and vocation to live and work for the Motherland.

Such patriotic ideals are important at all times, especially for us, for Russia – a country-civilization, one of the original, sovereign centers of a huge multipolar world.

The values of devotional service to people and their homeland determine the strength and stability of state power, confirm the unity and cohesion of our people, are a key, unshakable guarantee that together we will overcome any challenges, we will consistently and firmly move only forward to the planned high, big goals.

Later in his speech, Putin shifts to the present and its challenges hwich leads him to say:

Another priority is to provide legal support for the full integration of the four regions that became part of Russia on September 30, 2022-the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

It is important to conduct this work carefully and systematically so that people feel that they belong to the common economic, educational, and cultural space of our country. So that the entire system of labor and social guarantees, including high-quality medical care, is fully operational for them, jobs are created and, in general, conditions are created for dynamic economic growth, and infrastructure and life-support facilities are restored as soon as possible.

These are our historical lands and our native people. Many of you have been there. How do they differ from the other part and other parts of our people? Nothing. This is a part of our people. And we must do everything possible to defend and protect their unequivocal choice – to return to Russia.

There's more evidence that can be provided to show Russia is the first type of political-economy described backed by a philosophy with solid moral foundations. Those are traits the RoW sees because their view isn't obfuscated or distorted by virulently false propaganda as it is the Western nations having political-economies of the second type and the immoral philosophy that connected to them.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2023 22:09 utc | 38

Posted by: marmic | May 13 2023 16:47 utc | 8
«1. depicting Russians as historically evil (holodomor, Stalin), even genetically, anthropologically evil, unprovoked aggressors»

There is another theory, that the "orcs" are *culturally* "evil", because russian literature is intrinsically "evil":

https://interfax.com.ua/news/interview/834181.html

“Obviously, the first colophony to be eliminated is the literature of anti-Ukrainian content and propaganda of violence, pro-Russian, chauvinistic politics. [...] As for Pushkin and Dostoevsky, beloved by our librarians and some readers, it should be said that these two authors laid the foundation of the "Russian world" and mestizoism. From childhood, inspired by these narratives, people believe that the mission of the Russian people is not to deal with their lives and their country, but to "write" the world according to their will. This is really very scandalous literature, which can really influence people's attitudes. [...]

Therefore, my personal opinion is that these books should also be removed from public and school libraries. They will probably remain in university and research libraries for scholars to study the roots of evil and totalitarianism. I think that there will be written a lot of scientific research on how the Russian classics influenced the mentality of the Russians and how it indirectly led to this aggressive position and attempted dehumanization of other peoples of the world, including the Ukrainian people.”

Posted by: Blissex | May 13 2023 22:20 utc | 39

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2023 22:09 utc | 39

Welfare State systems were created to mollify the public while Capitalists gained control of the government; and when Industrial Capitalists were supplanted by Financial Capitalists, the basic foundations of the Welfare State began to be dismantled where they existed and prevented from arising elsewhere via IMF and World Bank edicts.

I agree and we've been witnessing this process since Pinochet, Thatcher, Reagan.

I sometimes wonder if the rise of finance capitalism is a sign of weakness (of the owner class) or of strength: one the one hand, I can argue that they don't need the moderating ("social democratic" / welfare state etc.) measures established since Bismarck to prevent bad things like revolutions -- this would mean the capitalists are stronger than ever, perhaps befitting the legendary Warren Buffett quote: “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

On the other hand, western capitalism is clearly losing its tight grip over the world, we're witnessing this for maybe twenty years now. I assume everyone here knows how wars are not human tragedies or errors for these people but intended, gainful and necessary (lucrative even when "lost"). However, I lack the fantasy to see how the measures since 2021 are positive to financial capitalism, and I feel they (and especially their follow-ups) are born from necessity, i.e. weakness.

How to reconcile?

IMO, this distinction is extremely important as it shows where Fascism diverges from the sort of Capitalist development anticipated by Marx.

I know how especially US capital fostered the rise of the Nazis in the 1920s but I don't see the divergence you mention: I understand Mussolini's statement about (his) facsism as "corporatism: the merger of state and corporate power". Isn't that a logical end point of capitalism by itself?

Similar to how crashes resolve tensions in market capitalism (and are thus unavoidable, as everyone who's following the news can observe), can I see fascism as the natural step to keep up profit rates in a changed landscape? Perhaps no coincidence that neoliberalism started with Pinochet, and interesting to watch where Thatcher and Reagan got their countries...

You're used to this but anyway: many thanks for your contributions!

Posted by: Konami | May 13 2023 23:00 utc | 40

@ Refinnejenna | May 13 2023 22:05 utc | 38

nah.. i wasn't being sarcastic, and yet i can acknowledge what you say for the most part.. i am an idealist and a dreamer.. i always leave out hope that others can change their ways... i have written to different writers at the cbc or globe and mail and also submitted letters to the editor... i would prefer this then to accept a much darker world where nothing i do can change anything... if we have reached that point where alternative viewpoints are silenced or reported to the intel agencies, well then i think more of us need to be doing this too!

and at the same time i hear what you are saying and acknowledge there is truth to what you say too.. cheers..

Posted by: james | May 13 2023 23:01 utc | 41

"Fascism must, I repeat must, be heavily defeated this time.
Despair is not an option - Russians saved us from fascism once at huge cost -
... they must do so again.
Posted by: Don Firineach | May 13 2023 17:14 utc | 12"

Try this on for size:

Killing Hope
U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II
by William Blum
Zed Books London

Killing Hope was first published outside of North America by Zed Books Ltd, 7
Cynthia Street, London NI 9JF, UK in 2003.
Second impression, 2004
Printed by Gopsons Papers Limited, Noida, India
www.zedbooks.demon.co.uk
Published in South Africa by Spearhead, a division of New Africa Books, PO Box
23408, Claremont 7735
This is a wholly revised, extended and updated edition of a book originally published
under the title The CIA: A Forgotten History (Zed Books, 1986)
Copyright © William Blum 2003
The right of William Blum to be identified as the author of this work has been asserted by him in accordance with the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.
Cover design by Andrew Corbett
ISBN 1 84277 368 2 hb ISBN 1 84277 369 0 pb
Spearhead ISBN 0 86486 560 0 pb
2
Contents
Introduction

6
China 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid? 20
Italy 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style 27
Greece 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state 33
The Philippines 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony 38
Korea 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be? 44
Albania 1949-1953: The proper English spy 54
Eastern Europe 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor 56
Germany 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism 60
Iran 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings 63
Guatemala 1953-1954: While the world watched 71
Costa Rica mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally, part I 82
Syria 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government 84
The Middle East 1957-1958:
The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America 88
Indonesia 1957-1958: War and pornography 98
Western Europe 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts 103
British Guiana 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia 107
Soviet Union late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing 113
Italy 1950s to 1970s:
Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism 119
Vietnam 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus 122
Cambodia 1955-1973:
Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism 133
Laos 1957-1973: L'Armee Clandestine 139
Haiti 1959-1963: The Marines land, again 145
Guatemala 1960: One good coup deserves another 146
France/Algeria 1960s: L'etat, c'est la CIA 148
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25. Ecuador 1960-1963: A textbook of dirty tricks 153
26. The Congo 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba 156
27. Brazil 1961-1964:
Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads 163
28. Peru 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle 172
29. Dominican Republic 1960-1966:
Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy 175
30. Cuba 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution 185
31. Indonesia 1965:
Liquidating President Sukarno ... and 500,000 others
East Timor 1975: And 200,000 more 194
32. Ghana 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line 199
33. Uruguay 1964-1970: Torture—as American as apple pie 201
34. Chile 1964-1973:
A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead 207
3
35. Greece 1964-1974:
"Fuck your Parliament and your Constitution,"said the
President of the United States 215
36. Bolivia 1964-1975:
Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat 221
37. Guatemala 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution" 229
38. Costa Rica 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally, part II 239
39. Iraq 1972-1975:
Covert action should not be confused with missionary work 242
40. Australia 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust 244
41. Angola 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game 249
42. Zaire 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven 257
43. Jamaica 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum 263
44. Seychelles 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance 267
45. Grenada 1979-1984:
Lying—one of the few growth industries in Washington 269
46. Morocco 1983: A video nasty 278
47. Suriname 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman 279
48. Libya 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match 280
49. Nicaragua 1978-1990: Destabilization in slow motion 290
50. Panama 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier 305
51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991:
Teaching Communists what democracy is all about 314
52. Iraq 1990-1991: Desert holocaust 320
53. Afghanistan 1979-1992: America's Jihad 338
54. El Salvador 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style 352
55. Haiti 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest? 37056. The American Empire: 1992 to present 383
Notes: 393
Appendix I: This is How the Money Goes Round 452
Appendix II: Instances of Use of US Armed Forces Abroad, 1798-1945 454
Appendix III: U.S. Government Assassination Plots 463
Index: 465
About the Author: 470

Posted by: AntiSpin | May 14 2023 0:04 utc | 42

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2023 20:03 utc | 25

karlof1: Sincere appreciation for that Tablet Magazine, "The RFJjr Tapes" link. I hadn't seen that one previously, and was delighted with its sheer depth of detail. Though it's undeniably "extensive", I never grew tired of it; it's just that good!

Being nearly the same age as RFKjr, I felt as if I were re-living many of those events. And I can attest to the truthfulness of his narrative as well as the interviewer's opening remarks. (His description of the ideological decline of the Democratic Party is just as I remember it.)

---------

b: Excellent, as always. Our MSM is doing a fine job of propagating Goebbels' axiom: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." And that progressive obfuscation is indeed glaring, as you so aptly presented it.

Posted by: JMF | May 14 2023 2:18 utc | 43

Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2023 20:03 utc | 25

karlof1: Sincere appreciation for that Tablet Magazine, "The RFJjr Tapes" link. I hadn't seen that one previously, and was delighted with its sheer depth of detail. Though it's undeniably "extensive", I never grew tired of it; it's just that good!

Being nearly the same age as RFKjr, I felt as if I were re-living many of those events. And I can attest to the truthfulness of his narrative as well as the interviewer's opening remarks. (His description of the ideological decline of the Democratic Party is just as I remember it.)

---------

b: Excellent, as always. Our MSM is doing a fine job of propagating Goebbels' axiom: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." And that progressive obfuscation is indeed glaring, as you so aptly presented it.

Posted by: JMF | May 14 2023 2:18 utc | 44

I've said this before, as have others: scratch a capitalist and you find a fascist. The history of the 20th century would have been largely fascistic were it not for the extraordinary path taken by FDR who got Big Labor and Big Industry to agree at the same table. To understand this we need only look at France's path in 1940: the bourgeoisie preferred Hitler to the Front National. To its credit the old North in the USA remained committed to a democratic modernity that was inimical to fascism even if there was quite a bit of support for the NSDAP (this was not the case in the UK where the aristocracy was mostly pro-Hitler). But above all that was the surge in the radicalisation of the American working class. FDR managed to substitute a social democrat USA for one potentially riven by class war. We know too that this was bought by the promise of empire, a promise that was honoured. By waging war against global fascism rather than siding with Hitler against communism FDR pulled off a counter-intuitive move that shaped the rest of the century.

This ran the 20th century against the tide of history. What we are seeing in b's article is thus the normal fascistic posture of the ruling class when they're threatened. The difference is that the working classes and poor middle class in the USA are as dumb as dogshit, fed on social media pap and will never ever be politicised to the extent of the 1930s. They are therefore ripe to be harvested for right populism. It remains to be seen whether the USA would ever become Nazi, but it can be balkanised into parts that lend itself to it. And wokeness is a strange kind of fascism, so anything's possible.

In short, when the SHTF for the ruling class they will form their own Azov units without hesitation. And we will praise them or die.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 14 2023 3:48 utc | 45

@Mike | May 13 2023 18:07 utc | 19

Be that all as it may, you gotta respect (in the sense of: take seriously) the effectiveness of the jew-fascist alliance, "We're all going after Russia now" (for the time being!). You need both parts: one cannot sell Banderism to the USA without jewish media clout, and the jews cannot get the pogroms against the orthodox church they so fervidly desire without Banderist street muscle. It's all nice and well to point out the internal contradictions of this "kosher fascism", but it's not a movement dispassionately looking for truth; rather, it pushes its agenda, with tons of arms-industry etc money backing it up.

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | May 14 2023 5:16 utc | 46

Quite refreshing to have an intelligent discussion without trolls today...

Posted by: Anthony | May 14 2023 7:06 utc | 47

Posted by: james | May 13 2023 23:01 utc | 41
“i would prefer this then to accept a much darker world where nothing i do can change anything... if we have reached that point where alternative viewpoints are silenced or reported to the intel agencies”

"The nail that stands out will be hammered” is what the great USA middle classes want, not just the USA upper classes. An author said that your actual rights depend on how popular you or your category are.

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/307

A. de Tocqueville, "Democracy in America: Chapter XX", 1834:
“When a man or a party suffers from an injustice in the United States, to whom can he turn? To public opinion? That is what forms the majority. To the legislative body? That represents the majority and obeys it blindly. To the executive power? That is appointed by the majority and servers as is passive instrument. To the public police force? They are nothing but the majority under arms. To the jury? That is the majority invested with the right to pronounce judgements; the very judges in certain states are elected by the majority. So, however unfair or unreasonable the measure which damages you, you have to submit.
A striking example of the excesses which the despotism of the majority may occasion was seen in Baltimore during the war of 1812. At that time the war was very popular in Baltimore. A newspaper opposed to it aroused the indignation of the inhabitants by taking that line.
The people came together, destroyed the printing presses and attacked the journalists' premises. The call went out to summon the militia which, however, did not respond to the call. In order to save those wretched fellows threatened with by the public frenzy the decision was taken to put them in prison like criminals.
The precaution was useless. During the night the people gathered once again; when the magistrates failed to summon the militia, the prison was forced one of the journalists was killed on the spot and the others were left for dead. The guilty parties, when standing before a jury, were acquitted.»

Posted by: Blissex | May 14 2023 9:06 utc | 48

people ask about Rus setting up partisan groups....could be so easily infiltrated by Ukr to turn back on suppliers...identify supply lines ..expose relatives to SBU...big exposee to the world of sabotage that would detract from the "moral" message of SMO.

"Insufficient " attacks Ukr mil and ammo dumps etc ..needs intel to be gathered to then evaluate is target worthwhile now or going to be better later to send a missile...is a little time necessary to identify supply routes and suppliers- cos often west says something will come but is already there.Part of the message is getting the message to the west you are well bankrupting yourselves militarily economically and certainly increasing civil orotests against selves cf Rus civil support...and exposing their immoralities. And Rus is happy to expose the Empire of lies---including the so called west values and re awakening neo faschism.

Gathering intel within Ukr by personnel who know on the ground ..very risky stuff for such peoples. Yes civilians and even just suspected or betrayed persons just cos they still have remnants of russian cultural values send info to Russia but at huge risk and have been dealt with.Intel peoples at risk of being even just conscripted by Ukr....captured interrogatedand tortured by SBU . Would Rus mil intel do anything like this as last resort or most likely use no personnel methods as much as possible.

Then priority lists of targets will be assessed and matched up with supply lines and appropiate means of most effective coordinated destruction and rescheduling of resupply..evaluation of targets hit then comes into play.Surely? Takes time.

Probably my very naive assessment....anyone else suggest how on the ground intel is gathered and confirmed?

Posted by: Jo | May 14 2023 10:03 utc | 49

Journalist:

- Just one last question Mr. President. What were you doing just before this international summit?

V. V. Putin:

- Sorry? Well... I just fed my dog and patted its head.

MSM:

Sochi Summit: Putin Denies Having Starved & Beaten His Dog

Posted by: Leuk | May 14 2023 10:49 utc | 50

Konami @34:

I've come to the realisation that academics are the *worst*, statistically speaking. I believe that working people have a clearer picture and less of the hubris you describe. One well-known historical tidbit is that academics and doctors were the strongest proponents after Machtergreifung.

There is Reality - the natural world, and humanity's efforts to carve an existence from that natural world. There is an interface between humanity and the natural world; farming, mining, and then manufacturing to turn the resources from those more foundational human activities into physical artifacts to sustain and grow humanity. The further one's lived experiences are from that interface; the more "insulation" one's lifestyle provides between that interface and the natural environment, then the more distance one's worldview can develop from reality.

It is humanity's drive to distance itself from that natural world because that natural world is a harsh place. Winters can be cold and summers hot, so we need warm clothes and heat sources as well as air conditioners. These insulate us from the natural world. Producing food is also a difficult and laborious process, and though we may try to simulate that process with hunting and sport fishing and backyard gardening, the truth is that we rely for our survival on industrial scale agriculture, aquaculture, etc., and this industrial scale food production buys a portion of the population distance from nature's harsh reality. This distance allows those who enjoy it to develop delusional worldviews and false notions of how the world works.

"Oh, how terrible! That poor cute little bunny is getting ripped apart and eaten alive by that mean wolf! I'll become a vegetarian so I won't be like that terrible wolf, and then cute little bunnies won't be harmed."

And then the grains you survive off come from fields tilled by large machines that are unknowingly driven over burrows full of cute little bunnies, shredding them and turning them into fertilizer. But at least you can console yourself with your virtuous but ignorant concern for bunnies. In other words, you can escape into delusion while you munch your organic corn flakes.

Paradoxically, while traditional academia largely busies itself with studies of the natural world, it exists at a level of society most distant and most insulated from the reality of that natural world. Is there anything more artificial than a classroom? A lecture hall? A library? Less traditional academic paths like what most students today pursue are even further divorced from the real world, and many have no commonality with anything in the natural world whatsoever. Such academics exist in a world of pure delusion, where expanding their delusions themselves become the object and purpose of their studies.

[Cue gender studies professor: "Let's get in touch with nature today! We'll have the lecture out on the quad!" smh]

It is because of this structure in society that working class people have the sharpest view of reality. Their lived experiences put them closest to it. It is also why academics, middle managers, and other PMCs can afford to wrap themselves in comforting delusion. It is why an elderly farmer can be stunningly perceptive, while a senior academic can be equally stunningly clueless.

(Disclaimer: I have more college degrees than all the trolls in this forum combined, but unlike those trolls I've also labored in that messy interface between the natural world and human society)

Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2023 11:58 utc | 51

@AntiSpin | May 14 2023 0:04 utc | 42

Appreciate that response. And what a substantive response .... Thank you!

My understanding of Adorno's despair has deepened in recent times ....

... and the more one knows and understands the more difficult it is not to sink into the pit and accept what appears to be the near total engineered commodification of what used to be known as 'human' ...

Yet, resist one must - otherwise why bother ...

Posted by: Don Firineach | May 14 2023 13:40 utc | 52

As an addendum to the above, China’s Cultural Revolution went a fair way towards curing their society of the problem of extreme delusion in their middle class, which is largely why the Chinese middle class has so far failed to take over in China and hand their society over to delusional western “liberalism”.

”But the Cultural Revolution was sooo mean! They forced elite gender studies professors to move out into dirty villages and get their delicate hands dirty helping those crude and savage villagers!! It was like genocide!

It was a character-building experience, and lots of people in academia could benefit from that.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2023 13:43 utc | 53

Not mentioned important is US, racist country still today.
They try. Ok, some nice. But the wording suspicious sometime confusing like long contract paperwork.

Ok,I toasting bar:
Nazi
words!

(Pounds glass) Or- old slave contract terms still used today? Yes!

Called EEO. Equal opportunity a US Federal law! But it's racist to me. Explain,?See 3 questions employer asks, all three ask if you Hispanic!? Are you Hispanic, are sure not Hispanic? Then job ask if my race Hispanic, which is confusing what about US citizens that Hispanic, guess they Michael Jackson bleach hair face skin to work no good for people born there look Mexican.

Not to include equal opportunity for all bs, it lets company no hire he's Hispanic! Legally. let's company them be racist and the law.
Anybody who looks dark suntan legal discrimination all States cause Federal law. Sad. Bless

Posted by: Miguel | May 14 2023 14:24 utc | 54

@karlof1 | May 13 2023 22:09 utc | 39:
"There's more evidence that can be provided to show Russia is the first type of political-economy described backed by a philosophy with solid moral foundations. Those are traits the RoW sees because their view isn't obfuscated or distorted by virulently false propaganda as it is the Western nations having political-economies of the second type and the immoral philosophy that connected to them."

This is the seed of our information-war victory: to make the people at large in nations whose current political system does not have their best interest at heart aware that they are being lied to, that their illusion that their government does have their best interest at heart is false, that they are being propagandized. Their resources (and tax monies) could be way better spend (in particular to benefit the poor). They need to be made aware of a parasitic class of ultra-rich people that is getting richer while the rest of the country is getting worse off. This is the new global revolution that needs to sweep the globe. It will need a compelling ideology (with a sound morality) and a solid 'system' that utilizes the (internet-)connectedness of people to preclude anything going off... (Let a new Marx arise and describe it!) In a way, the new 'marxism', but with a good name that will allow the connected citizens to live in a utopian world. Something like it has happened before, it can happen again.

Posted by: pepa65 | May 14 2023 14:42 utc | 55

Left-wing, anti-nationalist Jews in the US foreign policy establishment prop up Jewish leaders in Ukraine so they can pursue a war that destroys nationalist Russia and grinds up gentile, fighting-age men in both countries. But the consensus view here is that the driving problem is renascent "fascism." Puerile.

People like Blinken, Nuland, Applebaum, Frum, Kristol, Soros, the Vindmans, the Kagans (really the list is endless) eagerly feed Azov and their like into the slurry processor because it kills two birds with one stone. Actually, to them, it's the same bird: Right-wing, nationalist gentiles who appear to neocons like a vestige of the the ancien régime, which they thought they killed off last century.

Jewish leftist see Putin's Russia not as a continuation of the Soviet Union, but as something like a return of Czar and Church. They will use Ukr neo-Nazis to destroy this old enemy because they hate it even more than Nazis. Same reason Israel aids ISIS-adjacent Sunni fundamentalist rebels in Syria: they're disposable, caveman shock troops who can help take down an even worse enemy.

The GAE (US) foreign policy establishment is extremely hostile to nationalism, even (or particularly) in America, its host country. If you think ret*rd-tier Nazis are the main problem, and not the people arming, funding and directing them, then you don't even begin to understand what you're observing.

Posted by: Siberian | May 14 2023 15:40 utc | 56

Will humans discuss our existing forms of social organization and make decisions about how to evolve as a species? No adults in this room it seems.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 13 2023 16:29 utc | 5

Or else we're too adult ...
You put your finger on something. We may be the only species yet to exist that is able to influence its own evolution. The current narrative ignores that, as if all the destruction is somehow natural - just part of "human nature." It assumes that the most we can do is slap those of us who are just a bit too greedy on the wrist. No one ever raises the issue of taking control over our own evolution - as if it will take near-extinction for anything to change. It sees the future as some sort of natural phenomenon over which we have no control. And yet the causes of the approaching extinction are evident and undeniable.
Just my 2c worth.

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 14 2023 16:09 utc | 57

Posted by: Patroklos | May 14 2023 3:48 utc | 45

You mean the Front Populaire, not the Front National.

Posted by: Gene Poole | May 15 2023 3:13 utc | 58

Excellent and important artice b, well done.

The scum media must be held to account.

Posted by: GT Stroller | May 15 2023 14:19 utc | 59

So, Wikipedia is next on the list?

Posted by: Max | May 15 2023 18:21 utc | 60