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May 28, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-128

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

> Over the 36 hours he spent in brutal house-to-house combat in the eastern Ukrainian city, 11 of the 16 men from Malkovskiy’s group of draftees were either killed or captured, according to surviving soldiers and relatives of the missing. <


Other issues:

Anglo meddling:

U.S. labs in east Europe:

Of interest:

Use as open (not Ukraine related) thread …

Comments

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 13:37 utc | 96
“Spain’s PM calls snap election after conservative and far-right wins in local polls”
“Pedro Sánchez says Spanish people need to ‘clarify’ what they want after ruling “liberal left” suffer losses in regional and municipal elections”
There fixed that for you.
That’s the job of the liberal left after all to move everybody to the right. Get everybody to vote against their own interests in the class war waged from Brussels.
Spain independent ? – Dream on, they are as independent as Scotland is.

Posted by: Derek Henry | May 29 2023 14:23 utc | 101

@ Tom_Q_Collins # 51

“There’s also another condition that is caused by a tick bite and I believe it was first identified in Australia. Some people, in some cases months or years after being bitten, develop an allergy to red meat that can be quite severe. The condition was only recently documented.”

I was apparently bitten by a Lonestar tic six or seven years ago and developed a low grade fever and extremely itchy hives over two, or three days before it dissipated. I don’t have red meat often, so when it occurred a second time i was aware of what was causing my problem, but not why until a friend called with news of the Lonestar tic, which was first found in East Texas, but resides in all the gulf states and every coastal state from Florida to Maine. I believe it was likely Plum island sourced the same as Lyme and Rocky Mt. spotted fever, which is also believed to be caused by tic bites. My dilemma ended after approximately a year.

Posted by: aye, myself & me | May 29 2023 14:44 utc | 102

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 13:37 utc | 96
Why Spanish voters are moving to the right apart from having nobody else to vote for.
https://www.socialeurope.eu/needed-progressive-vision-national-sovereignty
Somebody brave enough to offer the above would win by an electroral landslide. But they would have to follow through on it or the ECB would simply refuse to buy Spanish bonds and crash the Spanish economy in purpose.

Posted by: Derek Henry | May 29 2023 14:50 utc | 103

@ Bartholomew Cubbins | May 29 2023 4:16 utc | 76
thanks bartholomew… i haven’t caught on to listening to audio books – yet.. i spend my listening time, listening to music.. maybe i am too rigid in my thinking… i appreciate your suggestion however..
@ waynorinorway | May 29 2023 4:30 utc | 78
thanks waynorinorway… i can’t read books online… as it is i spend too much time online.. maybe i will change in spending less time online, at which point it would be possible… i wonder if they have any tool like kindle which my wife uses – where you can download these books onto a kindle type device and read them that way?? i am sure someone has thought of this already… it would be a way to take down amazon, lol..
@ Tom_Q_Collins | May 29 2023 5:21 utc | 81
i thought it was quite an interesting read and i am surprised that people in germany are allowed to read these kinds of things! i realize anti-spegiel is not mainstream, but still it is nice to see how some alternative viewpoints do get out..

Posted by: james | May 29 2023 15:00 utc | 104

You are a real obsessive. “Helicopter Money” was a proposal to by-pass the money transmission mechanism and cut out the banks…………
If you don’t think credit expansion leads to inflation you are beyond redemption

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 29 2023 15:36 utc | 105

@Bartholomew Cubbins #75/76
Thank you for introducing me to this interesting volunteer project. There are only 146 audio books/poems in Russian there (compared to 36478 audio books/poems in English), and many are not read that well, but I managed to find one that I like: Pushkin’s Evgeniy Onegin read by Xenium5.

Posted by: S | May 29 2023 15:41 utc | 106

@Walt #80
Great comment. Thank you.

Posted by: S | May 29 2023 15:45 utc | 107

@ Walt | May 29 2023 5:17 utc | 80 with the personal view of China development
Thanks for sharing

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 29 2023 15:50 utc | 108

. . .Let’s celebrate Memorial Day with more memorials. . .s/
​Honor Our Fallen on Memorial Day by Raising Up the Next Generation to Serve

Many Americans will recognize Memorial Day this year with ceremonies, memorial services and cemetery visits to honor military personnel who have died while serving in the United States armed forces. Regardless of the branch of service, members of our nation’s military are a special breed. They must meet stringent entry requirements, complete rigorous and repeated training, endure long periods of separation from their families and loved ones, as well as put themselves in positions where they may pay the ultimate price for their service.
We are fortunate that for the past five decades, our national security has been ensured by an all-volunteer force. The mold for that model, however, is starting to crack. A recent study from the Pentagon showed that 77% of young Americans would not qualify for military service without a waiver due to being overweight, having a criminal record or suffering from mental and physical health problems. This startling statistic is made even worse by the troubling trend that fewer young people are willing to serve in the first place. The net result is that the Department of Defense is experiencing serious shortfalls in recruiting, which only exacerbate our degraded military readiness after two decades of constant war.
While the service members who we recognize on Memorial Day had diverse backgrounds and beliefs, they were united in their total commitment to our national security. Were they still with us today, they would likely be shocked that America’s next generation is either unable or unwilling to support the cause for which they sacrificed all. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 15:55 utc | 109

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Comments roundup
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“Why?”
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Those who say “why can’t Russia do this or that?” are being far too binary and assume a world where everything always works as intended or nearly so, a world where there are never deficiencies, errors, priorities, mistakes, hard choices, anything unexpected, and so on.
Simple as that.
People often tend towards the extremes of assuming things are either much easier than they are or much harder than they are. Understandably so; it’s a dual “super-narrative” reinforced by lifelong experience where the human brain categorizes things in such a way as “works/does not work” to reduce complexity into something manageable. Still despite our simplification the world stubbornly tends towards wobbling around in an entirely different place where very small changes in input has a very high chance of producing wildly different results.
TL;DR: your questions are answered by expanding (and correcting) your comprehension of the actual world.
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Mr. “Wishlist” Zaluzhny
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Don’t really care if he has been “replaced” with ten or twenty other idiot nazis all trying hard to impress and/or defeat/out-compete each other and most successfully suck up to external idiots like Biden and Boris.
Could be a good thing but I’m not convinced the difference is or will be important.
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Spuuks and horsies
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Windmills, purple moms, and green elephants?!
Please stop talking rude about my family 😛
My other boat is a canoe.
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Ford in the fjord
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“It’s so tiny!” (The Drive dot com), only for the picture(s).
That’s 333-whatever meters for ya. Not much.
They’ve left now but they hid it in a cul-de-sac where it was impossible to see from nearly all parts of Oslo and I haven’t seen a single photo of it while it was at anchor or at least not any giving a greater overview of it in relation to its surroundings 🙁
By the way those pictures are from the “less rocky” and “mostly flat-ish” parts of Norway 😀 (although I suppose the large mountain plateau and the far north tundra are somewhat flatter, at least in places and/or on average).
I’ll let the resident norse horde correct me on this 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 29 2023 16:29 utc | 110

@Zet #4
@james #75
@Tom_Q_Collins #81
What a world of difference between Röper and Röpcke!

Posted by: S | May 29 2023 16:32 utc | 111

Derek Henry no. 101
More info here:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/29/kbfv-m29.html

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 16:44 utc | 112

Walt | May 29 2023 5:17 utc | 80–
Thanks ever so much for your reply. I’m just now doing some closer reading about the interplay of Confucianism with basic socialist thinking and evolution of the CPC beginning with Sun Yat-sen’s 1911 vision. It appears that social harmony is being more evenly established China-wide as that’s the fundamental philosophical basis yet is a goal that never ends as “reform” is constantly needed. Have you the opportunity to read into Xi’s Global Initiatives? One last question, Hudson laments the lack of a model and a philosophy to underpin Multipolarism; do you have any thoughts on them?
Thanks Again! Very Beneficial!

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2023 16:54 utc | 113

Joseph Massad has a very good article today on Israel’s demographic dilemma. He puts it in the context of the settlements reached in Algeria with its colons and Zimbabwe and South Africa where minority economic dominance was guaranteed after the ceding of political equality.
“…Israel’s latest census shows Jews to be slightly over seven million people. Palestinians inside Israel are slightly over two million, with three million more living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and more than two million in Israeli-besieged Gaza. While these numbers show a slight but increasing Palestinian majority, the calculation of the number of Jews in Israel is based on considerations of Jewishness on which not all Zionists agree….”
And that is not counting the legitimate claims of millions of descendants of those expelled by Zionist terrorists in 1948. They have a ‘right to return’. And many will exercise it, not least because they are not given citizenship privileges in the countries in which they have taken refuge.
Massad adds, later that many Israelis are now calling for more ethnic cleaning and, by implication, massacres.
“….Even though it would guarantee their colonial economic privileges, many are calling for a “Second Nakba” to avert such a fate.
“That these public calls have multiplied and are echoed by mainstream political figures attests to the feeling of the approaching, if not imminent, end of the settler-colony.
This situation has understandably sounded alarm bells, not only among the Jewish colonists but also among their supporters, in the surviving white settler-colonies around the world. In recent years, Israel’s leaders have expressed much concern about whether Israel will reach its 100th or even its 80th anniversary.
“The threats of another Nakba are desperate measures of a settler-colony that knows its fate is now sealed, even if it will take a number of years before the final collapse. The task facing Palestinians now is to prepare for a post-Israel future. Will it be a future that grants equality to all, a la Algeria, or one that maintains colonial economic privileges, a la South Africa?
“If the matter is left to the Palestinian bourgeoisie, which has shepherded the two-state solution and the Oslo surrender, we can be sure that a variation on the South African option will be imposed. Wealthy Palestinians ever since the beginning of the British occupation that sponsored Zionist settler colonialism in November-December 1917 have always favoured collaboration with the colonial power (a few even collaborated with the Zionists) as some kind of neutral arbiter….”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/why-israels-leaders-call-for-second-nakba

Posted by: bevin | May 29 2023 17:07 utc | 114

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 13:37 utc | 96
Spain is writing history here: the first national government to be toppled in municipal elections.
But seriously, US and EU wanted regime change over there, in Russia and China. Instead, discontent about the economy – people are getting poorer – is toppling governments over here.

Posted by: Passerby | May 29 2023 17:13 utc | 115

M.K.Bhadrakumar- a former Ambassador in Ankara- has a shrewd evaluation of the post electoral position of Turkiye.
“…Indeed, a Turkish company, Baykar Makina, which is owned by a relative of Erdogan, has supplied the Ukrainian forces with its Bayraktar TB2 strike and reconnaissance drones in the early phases of the conflict. There was even talk that the Turkish company was setting up a factory to produce the advanced drone in Ukraine and that the detailed design phase for the plant has been completed.
“Turkiye and Ukraine last year also signed a deal to establish a second manufacturing plant in Ukraine after the two countries deepened their cooperation in the defence industry for the co-production of crucial engines for aerial vehicles and tech transfer. Baykar’s Bayraktar TB2 drones have a proven track record of success in conflicts in Libya, Syria, and Nagorno-Karabakh.
“Ukraine features prominently in Baykar’s supply chain, especially with the new heavy-lifter drone, Akinci, and the unmanned fighter jet, Kizilelma, or “Golden Apple”. Both use Ukrainian engines from Motor Sich MSICH.UAX and from Ivchenko-Progress. Baykar expected to net around $1bn in export revenues last year, about 50 percent higher than in 2021 ($650m), and a further 50 percent growth is expected in 2023. Again, since August last year, Ankara has also been provided Kiev with ‘Kipri’ mine-resistant armoured vehicles to the Ukraine military.
“Yet, Moscow is far from in any threatening mood…”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/erdogans-mediatory-role-on-ukraine-cannot-be-wished-away/

Posted by: bevin | May 29 2023 17:19 utc | 116

This graphic here is interesting for those who want to understand the east-west divide.
cultural differences
west (blue) vs. east (red)
especially “Relative status of the leader”

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 17:20 utc | 117

@james #104:

i wonder if they have any tool like kindle which my wife uses – where you can download these books onto a kindle type device and read them that way??

If you create a free Archive.org account, you can “borrow” books as Encrypted PDF files, which you can read on Android tablets and iPads using the free Adobe Digital Editions app; see “How to download and return a borrowed book,” “Borrowing From The Lending Library” and “Borrowing – Tips & Troubleshooting.”
You can also install Adobe Digital Editions app on your PC to transfer these books to an e-reader; see “Transfer eBook to eReader in Adobe Digital Editions.” Unfortunately, it doesn’t support Kindle e-readers because Amazon uses its own incompatible DRM system.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me will explain how to get these books on a Kindle e-reader.

Posted by: S | May 29 2023 17:41 utc | 118

One interesting facet of Confucianism is the practice of meritocracy, by which the most virtuous and competent people can be elected to serve the public>
Here’s one thought on it, from Mark E. Warren
University of British Columbia, Canada
Abstract . . . (paper has paywall)
Influenced by the example of China, a literature is emerging that advocates a modernized version of Confucian meritocracy, often as an alternative to liberal democracy and even democracy itself. We disagree with these arguments. A critical examination of the Chinese practices of meritocracy within the context of a regime that remains authoritarian is noticeably absent in the literature. This article addresses this gap and, in its findings, argues that political meritocracy, despite first appearances, does not offer a better alternative to liberal democracy. . .
Shall we compare biographies?
>Xi Jinping
After studying chemical engineering at Tsinghua University as a worker-peasant-soldier student, Xi rose through the ranks politically in China’s coastal provinces. Xi was governor of Fujian from 1999 to 2002, before becoming governor and party secretary of neighboring Zhejiang from 2002 to 2007.
> Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
He studied at the University of Delaware before earning his law degree from Syracuse University. He was elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970 and became the sixth-youngest senator in U.S. history after he was elected in 1972, at age 29. He represented Delaware in the United States Senate and served as the 47th vice president.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 17:42 utc | 119

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 28 2023 19:23 utc | 41
Someone who works in automobile software in Germany told me that Mercedes already makes more profit in China than in the West. Western corporates fueled the Chinese miracle growth and seemingly the sanctions will not change that since Mercedes is already fully established within China like many other Western corporates. There may be separation on some levels but on others there is virtually none.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 29 2023 17:48 utc | 120

So that’s my very crude summary, my hypothesis. Let me supply some links in a following post.
Posted by: Grieved | May 29 2023 0:49 utc | 65
1. Interesting how CIA group spearheaded Op Warp Speed acc to RFKJr.
2. Current jabs may be preparing terrain for second generation against which first Gen recipients are especially vulnerable. Pure speculation but…
I believe you are correct to regard it all as part of an overall something or other. And if so it appears global in nature versus US vs China or vice versa. Similarly, SMO is of value for its global ramifications in which context what happens on ground in Ukraine is of relatively little consequence but provides excellent cover for the significant global system and other polity shifts world wide.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 29 2023 18:11 utc | 121

I despise liars and narcissists. I do not feel any need to apologize for despising Gonzalo Lira.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 29 2023 13:52 utc | 99
I think it more likely he is a ‘limited hangout provider’ sponsored by Intelligence (hence espousing hot button topics to attract the types who identify with such) and things were about to get too messy in Ukraine. He will probably pop up somewhere else soon.
Your comments about Lyme, though presumably well intentioned, were factually way off base. No matter. It’s a minor medical issue for the most part albeit not for the several million in Europe and America who find it debilitating and hard to cure.
Testing. One outfit in NY State is good (cannot recall) and Inxi in California. All the rest in US and Canada useless. Dunno about Europe. 90% of the time something else is diagnosed making the journey long and expensive. Probably 75% of Limeys have not heard of it, as you wrote, and are misdiagnosed due to ignorant doctors and lousy tests.
To whomever above recommended herbs, Bravo. Some Chinese herbologists can handle it well, but most not. Stephen Buhner wrote a fascinating book with herbal protocol specifically for Lyme but his long, detailed explanation about borrelia is a great read. Bacteria are fascinating, the organismic building blocks of sentient life forms.
Lyme Disease was one of the greatest, if also most demanding, teachers in my life, as others who have gone through it also have remarked.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 29 2023 18:39 utc | 122

Posted by: S | May 29 2023 17:41 utc | 118
Libgen dot is has a huge repository of books online, unfortunately some of current works still under cooywrite protection.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 29 2023 18:46 utc | 123

Passerby no. 115
Makes one wonder what we will end up with. When you look at the repression in Germany, France, Uk, things don’t look too good.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 18:59 utc | 124

ZH has a posting up with the title
Taiwan Says It’s In Talks On Being Brought Under US Nuclear Umbrella
The quote

Giving such a guarantee to Taiwan would mean the US could use nuclear weapons if China invades the island or if war breaks out by other means. According to the SCMP report:

As Washington and Beijing ramp up their military signaling on Taiwan, the self-ruled island has started to discuss what was once unthinkable – to come under the US nuclear umbrella that has successfully protected Japan, South Korea and Australia for decades.
The debate was set off after Taiwanese Foreign Minister Joseph Wu suggested on Monday that the island had been in talks with the United States on the nuclear umbrella issue.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 29 2023 19:40 utc | 125

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 18:59 utc | 124
In Europe you have elections, but you don’t have election.
Let’s take France as example: The yellow vests were a series of protests in France. yellow vest statistics
If this happened in Russia or China it would be repeated in every news broadcast.

Posted by: Passerby | May 29 2023 20:49 utc | 126

Don Bacon | May 29 2023 17:42 utc | 119–
Well, we all know the lie of Chinese authoritarianism as the West is clearly a Creditor Oligarchy which is authoritarian by definition. One of the two books I just scored is Confucian Democracy in East Asia written by the Korean Sungmoon Kim, and he’s by far not the only writer on that topic. I’m curious to see if Arch Bungle replied to my questions from yesterday and if Don Firineach has any further comment to my “Lavrov” reply as those go to the core of the political philosophy issue.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2023 22:16 utc | 127

Pepe Escobar posted this at his Telegram:
“Dostoevsky,1881:
“Russians are as much Asiatics as European. The mistake of our policy for the past two centuries has been to make the people of Europe believe that we are true Europeans. We have served Europe too well, we have taken too great a part in her domestic quarrels (…) We have bowed ourselves like slaves before the Europeans and have only gained their hatred and contempt. It is time to turn away from ungrateful Europe. Our future is in Asia.”
I’d like to think some heeded his words as the aims of the 1905 Revolution’s political leaders wasn’t Western Liberalism but a hybrid that promoted the people before business. The reasoning was and remains: To have a strong nation with a strong business core, you must have strong people; make the people strong and the rest will follow. Clearly, this is a bottom->up strategy. The problem rested with Predatory European nations greatly animated by Pleonexia thanks to the Age of Plunder. The context of the times didn’t allow for the slow bottom->up process as some sort of wall needed to be built to keep Predatory Europe out of Russian lands, and building that wall is what Lenin, Molotov, Stalin, and crew focused on doing immediately, which they felt necessitated autocratic methods. To make the bottom->up process work, Russia needed several generations of peace and excellent leadership, but got neither.
Putin’s had one generation of relative peace to advance Russia’s people, and the results are rather dramatic given the hindrances. What I don’t see possibly because hidden is the rising cadre to replace Putin and carry forward his team’s plan. IMO, PM Mishustin is very capable and is only 56, and there are other capable members of the government that don’t get press, although they do get exposure through Putin’s meetings with government members that I read but seldom translate and post. There are also the regional governors. Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin is also very capable but turns 65 next month. And this next generation will be harder than the first since much more is at stake, so the leadership must be equal to the task. IMO, Putin will run again in 2024 but will retire in 2030 at the end of that term. With luck, the geopolitical picture will be much better, but much work and fortitude will still be needed as by 2030 the energy resource problem will be front and center unlike now.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2023 23:07 utc | 128

After writing 128 I went to SCF to see if Crooke’s weekly essay was there, which it was, “Believing Impossible Things”, and its synopsis at the header is perfect:
“The endless bitter antagonism to Putin and to Russia has allowed a self-imagined reality to detach, ultimately becoming a delusion.”
The two items b provided today that are pinned to a series of previous others reflects Crooke’s observations:

For the West, it is ontologically impossible to tolerate their reality being disassembled: to see their society and the world split in two. The narrative reality is so embedded via the well-honed effectiveness of MSM messaging however, that politicians have become lazy. They do not have to argue their case, and have no incentive to hold back on untruths either.
The dynamics are exorable: an over-hyped ‘monolithic reality’ evolves into a Manichaean fight to the death. Any backsliding by ‘principals’ could result in the collapse of the Media narrative ‘house of cards’. (This notion of a monolithic reality is not one shared by most other societies who see reality as multi-faceted).

Western philosophy is grounded on the point that all debts must be paid, and the world is now saying to the West it’s time for you to pay up. The West is looking at the RoW and saying Sorry, but that’s only for you, not for us–Red Queen’s Rules. Well, RoW is going to respond, Bull Shit to your “rules”; take our dollar denominated debts and stuff them where the sun doesn’t shine; we’re out of your “reality.” And what can the West do? Perhaps get with the new reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2023 23:32 utc | 129

1990. China’s economy has come to a halt. The Economist
1996. China’s economy will face a hard landing. The Economist
1998. China’s economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist
1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada
2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune
2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas
2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University
2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times
2004. The great fall of China? The Economist
2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini
2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy
2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME
2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes
2009. China’s hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune
2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini
2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider
2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest
2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge
2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC
2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes
2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist
2017. Is China’s Economy Going To Crash? National Interest
2018. China’s Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning.
2019. China’s Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC2020. Coronavirus Could End China’s Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times
2021. Chinese economy risks deeper slowdown than markets realize. Bloomberg
2022. China Surprise Data Could Spell R-e-c-e-s-s-i-o-n. Bloomberg.
https://herecomeschina.substack.com/p/perennial-predictions

Posted by: daffyDuct | May 30 2023 0:10 utc | 130

@ Scorpion | 122

I think it more likely he is a ‘limited hangout provider’ sponsored by Intelligence (hence espousing hot button topics to attract the types who identify with such) and things were about to get too messy in Ukraine. He will probably pop up somewhere else soon.

My suspicion is that he will be “released” and then start cawing at the top of his voice about how he and all other Russian prisoners he “witnessed” (the number of which would actually be zero) were treated with great gentility, dignity, and respect during their collective internment.
The reality, of course, is that many Russian prisoners have returned home castrated and/or with other permanent injuries from brutal tortures, while many others have been murdered after capture, with quite a few of the responsible Ukrainians posting videos online gloating about their act.
Oddly, none of that ever seems to make it into the Western press.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 30 2023 1:38 utc | 131

@ bevin | May 29 2023 17:07 utc | 114
The situation in Palestine could be quite explosive, precisely because of the radical settlers, and also many other Israelis as well, to expel all or most of the more than seven million Palestinians who are still in Palestine. This has been a desire of Israelis since the first expulsions of 1948-1949, the Nakbah. They have always been hoping for the cover of a war to do it, but it has become much more difficult to imagine implementing. Hence the frenzied hysteria of the settlers and their supporters.
It might be useful to try to imagine just what such an expulsion effort would look like and do, how it would unfold, and what reactions and results it would cause.
First of all, expelling the Palestinians would not be easy. It wasn’t even that easy in 1948-1949, and now it would be much harder. Then, the world’s media hardly cared about the Palestinians anywhere, whereas now there would be intense coverage of such an effort. Then, the Palestinian populations, accustomed to centuries of relative peace and overall safety in their homes, were extremely vulnerable and unaware of quite how to resist; today, the Palestinians have been inured to decades of Israeli oppression, so that they are much more hardened than their ancestors. Also, they are fully aware that the Israelis want to drive them out and seize their property, so they are ready to resist being driven out and determined to stay in their places. The mere physical effort to remove the Palestinians from a single village will be quite exhausting.
Another question is where they are to be driven out to. In 1948-1949, the population density of the entire area was much less than it is now, so finding space is problematic. The countries of Egypt and Jordan both have peace treaties with Israel that make them unavailable as grounds to dump the Palestinians in. Were Israel to violate those treaties, it would pay a very high price. That leaves the much shorter frontiers of Syria and Lebanon, and neither of those countries would be receptive to more Palestinians being foisted upon them. Trying to force more Palestinians on Syria would invite Russian intervention, which Israel would like to avoid. In the case of Lebanon, the local opposition would be strong and would certainly include a new war with Hizbullah, which humiliated Israel in 2006. And the Palestinians in question, the Palestinians still in Palestine, are huge in number, over seven million, something on the order of ten times the number initially displaced in 1948-1949.
Furthermore, the outer world today is much, much less sympathetic to Israel than was the case in 1948-1949. Opposition to any new ethnic cleansing would be nearly universal, and the threat of alienating US support for Israel is very serious. While the situation seems to show the US continuously kowtowing to Israel, there are limits to it, such as when the Israeli trial balloon to establish settlements in occupied Lebanon in 1982 was quashed by the US. There also would be some opposition in Israel itself, even from some Israeli Jews. The size of this opposition should not be exaggerated, but nonetheless it is something that was hardly present in 1948-1949.
The different Palestinian populations also would vary in how difficult they would be to drive out. The most vulnerable are the inhabitants of the West Bank, because they have no rights, so it is presumably them, or more likely just some of them, who would be targeted first. However, Zionist rage against the Palestinian citizens of Israel is also very serious. But those Palestinians are somewhat protected by their Israeli citizenship as well as their integration into Israeli society, so that their expulsion would be even less popular. The Zionists fear they are facing defeat, as there is a Palestinian majority in the Northern District, which is Galilee, and Palestinians moving into Jewish towns have rendered more of those towns mixed now, which seems to the Zionists like a slide backwards in their project. As for the Palestinians of Gaza, their backs are to the wall, as they can be driven neither into the sea nor into Egypt, and furthermore they are armed at least for guerilla war and would fight back furiously.
So no wonder the Zionist ethnostate is in trouble and is freaking out. This does make it very dangerous, however, and it is likely that it will still cause a lot more misery before some kind of peaceful synthesis eventually emerges.

Posted by: Cabe | May 30 2023 2:34 utc | 132

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2023 16:54 utc | 113
Thanks for your reply and appreciation. I wanted first to briefly observe that Confucianism is not very prominent in the wild, as it were, except of course at his birthplace at Qufu in Shandong where there is a substantial temple complex. Buddhism is however extensively practised and there are many temples thriving all over China both for tourism and religious observance. Many people, my wife’s mother is one, have a little shrine in their homes.
Now, a recent statement of China’s Security Initiative is here:
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/202302/t20230221_11028348.html
I won’t copy it all, just the preamble and subheadings to give the impression and those interested may study it in full.

I.Background
The issue of security bears on the well-being of people of all countries, the lofty cause of world peace and development, and the future of humanity.
Today, our world, our times and history are changing in ways like never before, and the international community is confronted with multiple risks and challenges rarely seen before. Regional security hotspots keep flaring up, local conflicts and turbulence occur frequently, the COVID-19 pandemic persists, unilateralism and protectionism have risen significantly, and traditional and non-traditional security threats are entwined. The deficits in peace, development, security and governance are growing, and the world is once again at a crossroads in history.
This is an era rife with challenges. It is also one brimming with hope. We are convinced that the historical trends of peace, development and win-win cooperation are unstoppable. Upholding world peace and security and promoting global development and prosperity should be the common pursuit of all countries. Chinese President Xi Jinping has proposed the Global Security Initiative (GSI), calling on countries to adapt to the profoundly changing international landscape in the spirit of solidarity, and address the complex and intertwined security challenges with a win-win mindset. The GSI aims to eliminate the root causes of international conflicts, improve global security governance, encourage joint international efforts to bring more stability and certainty to a volatile and changing era, and promote durable peace and development in the world. 
II.Core concepts and principles
1. Stay committed to the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security.
2. Stay committed to respecting the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries.
3. Stay committed to abiding by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter.
4. Stay committed to taking the legitimate security concerns of all countries seriously.
5. Stay committed to peacefully resolving differences and disputes between countries through dialogue and consultation.
6. Stay committed to maintaining security in both traditional and non-traditional domains.
III. Priorities of cooperation
IV. Platforms and mechanisms of cooperation

There are 20 priorities for cooperation and 5 platforms for mechanisms of cooperation. It’s noteworthy that the UN and other bodies are referenced numerous times.
As for Hudson’s lamenting the lack of a model and a philosophy to underpin Multipolarism, this, as they say, is beyond my paygrade. I may be a doctor of philosophy, but I am a mere electrochemist! All I can offer as a laymen’s view is that bodies such as those referenced above must be a starting point and predominantly the United Nations, but it is in dire need of reform. The veto and the permanent seat on the Security Council have to go, as would the ability of a certain nation to bully its subordinates into following its will. Only military and economic defeat would seem to bring that about. Xiwangruci! Is that the source of Hudson’s pessimism?
It was only through researching while involved in Palestinian affairs and spending some time on the West Bank that I learned that the original UN resolution for the creation of the state of Israel was thrown out, and it was only after the USA went around with a big stick that it was passed. Not a lot of people, I suspect, know that.

Posted by: Waltw | May 30 2023 2:48 utc | 133

Well, the conspiratorially thinking individual as I am, what immediately springs to mind is again what Scorpion also noted and what was in the link I posted in my message. That is, that they’re making the West look bad and the East the good guys. This would play exactly into that. They want you to see them as the good guys. If you look at China, they have a god damn social credit score system that’s straight from 1984. Does that sound very good to you? Your every move is being watched over there.
I think they’re playing us. Make us think they’re good, when in reality they’re everything but. If China is so virtuous and innocent, why do they have such a social credit score system as they do? Even Schwab is praising China and saying others should follow their lead. Think about that for a moment..
Posted by: just somebody | May 28 2023 17:52 utc | 31
—————-
Chris Floyd

The state of unwitting confession to monstrous crime has been the default mode of the U.S. establishment for many years now. Government officials routinely detail policies that in a healthy atmosphere would shake the nation to its core, stand out like a gaping wound, a rank betrayal of every hope, ideal and sacrifice of generations past. Yet in the degraded sensibility of USAss, such confessions go unnoticed, their evil unrecognized – or even lauded as savvy ploys or noble endeavors. Inured to moral horror by half a century of outrages committed by the “National Security” complex, the establishment, along with the media and vast swathes of the population, can no longer discern the poison in the air they breathe. It just seems normal.

Exhibit A

Biggest bang for our dollar, the Russkies are dying. !
‘What a beautiful sight to behold, that fire in HK’

Wow
The three Gorges are crumpling
China is collapsing
whoopee !
Their aircraft carriers are cracking !
Any crisis in China is a blessing for us !!!
We’r prepping the ground to do a UKraine on the chicom and not a peep from the plebs
heheheheh

Tip of an iceberg
BUt but…
According to the ‘wn’

Its the gawd damned joos , they just wanna make us look bad. [sic]
Dont forget the gawd damned chinaman, they’r gonna force their hideous SCS shit down our throat and make us a dystopian nightmare just like them !

Rings a bell ?
The scorpion

The fate of America is being made in China, our role model for all things dystopian.
An economic and political powerhouse that owns more of America’s debt than any other country and is buying up American businesses across the spectrum, China is a vicious totalitarian regime that routinely employs censorship, surveillance, and brutal police state tactics to intimidate its populace, maintain its power, and expand the largesse of its corporate elite.
Where China goes, the United States eventually follows. This way lies outright tyranny.

Come on, together now…

We dindunuthin, its the joos, its the chinaman

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/05/chris-floyd/hideous-kinky/

Posted by: denk | May 30 2023 3:12 utc | 134

Cabe @ 132
Thank you for your informative commentary on Massad’s excellent article.
It is important that views such as yours should be heard.

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 3:17 utc | 135

Passerby no. 126
Statistics “address could not be found”
But i know what you mean. Raids across Germany recently of climate activists.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 30 2023 8:39 utc | 136

Passerby
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/27/wkye-m27.html
Article on crackdown in Germany

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 30 2023 8:46 utc | 137

psychohistorian @ 125

Taiwan, the self-ruled island has started to discuss what was once unthinkable – to come under the US nuclear umbrella that has successfully protected Japan, South Korea and Australia for decades.

Not picking on you ph you’re just highlighting this news.
But, successfully protected from whom??? This nonsense begs incredulity, problem is it works, people parrot it everywhere you go, even among very well educated liberal friends, not that the uneducated and usually savvier ones are any better on geopolitical issues.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 30 2023 9:49 utc | 138

Waltw | May 30 2023 2:48 utc | 133–
Thanks again for your reply. What I see is the Way, the Path, is the Model, and China understands not all paths can be the same, but they can follow some general principles which are embodied in the Global Initiatives Xi and the CPC have announced.
In your opinion, is it possible for Chinese society to develop the sort of chauvinism existing in the West or does their fundamental philosophical outlook–values–prevent that? What I see is China wants its strength to be rejuvenated but also desires to remain humble in its relations with all others since that generates harmony? Is that an accurate assumption or should it be modified?
Thanks again for the window you provide. Even since I read Edgar Snow’s Red Star Over China, I’ve wanted to visit and explore.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 30 2023 16:03 utc | 139

Here’s one that almost got away, “We morally, emotionally support India’s decolonization: Global Times editorial”:

In recent years, the Modi government has devoted itself to presenting an image of a rising India that engages in decolonization and emphasizes independent confidence. India has also undertaken large-scale actions to remove symbols of colonialism, including renaming and remodeling iconic buildings, changing budget practices associated with colonial history, decreasing the official use of English and increasing the use of the Hindi language. As a society that was also bullied by Western colonists and is dedicated to achieving national modernization, China can clearly empathize with India’s desire to uphold national dignity and pursue a more independent status.
India was colonized by Britain for nearly 200 years, and the traces of colonial influence in India are both extensive and profound. It can be imagined how colossal the task of decolonization is.
In 1968, the Indian government removed the statue of King George V, located in front of India Gate, a prominent landmark in New Delhi. Then, on September 8, 2022, the Modi government renamed the “Rajpath” in front of India Gate to “Kartavya Path” on the day of Queen Elizabeth II’s death. The process of decolonization has spanned half a century but continues to progress slowly, with a long road ahead.
For India, the most challenging part lies ahead – removing the remnants of colonialism from culture and the hearts of people, which is undoubtedly more difficult than changing names or removing labels. The extent to which decolonization can be achieved remains uncertain. We wish India success in achieving its goals with the least possible cost. Additionally, we would like to offer a friendly reminder to remain vigilant against the geopolitical manipulation by the West, which carries new forms of neocolonialism while eradicating the remnants of old colonialism. This reality has become quite prominent.
The Britain at that time was able to implement nearly 200 years of colonial rule over India, which had a large area and population, through divide-and-rule tactics that were far from noble. Now, the West, particularly the US, attempts a more concealed form of “divide and rule” on a larger scale. They concoct and emphasize the concept of “dragon-elephant rivalry” and engage in sinister psychological manipulation between China and India. The West no longer has the power to subdue China and India through overt means, so they resort to creating rifts between the two to fish for benefits. In a sense, this is also a form of “persistent colonialist mentality.”
Nowadays, in order to drive a wedge between China and India, the West has repeatedly flattered India, deceiving India to “replace China.” It takes sides in the border issue between China and India, even inciting India to stand up against China and shouting slogans like “standing with India.” The West seems to be coaxing India in every way, but this cannot conceal its arrogance and exploitation toward India. It should be pointed out that this is exactly the trap for India’s pursuit of the path of an independent and powerful country. If India wants to truly get rid of the colonial imprint, this ultimately depends on the development of its national comprehensive strength and strategic clarity and independence, rather than various tricks and awards from the West.
India’s decolonization should truly demonstrate the unique logic, philosophy, and imagination of a civilized country, and should not fall into the geopolitical trap centered on Western power politics. Like China, India is a country with a civilization different from Western civilization, hoping to achieve national rejuvenation, and that’s something the West cannot truly appreciate. China advocates promoting the construction of a community with a shared future for mankind, and India also advocates “One Earth, One Family.” Both sides have Eastern wisdom in viewing regional and international situations, and it’s believed they will not re-embark on the old path of Western “zero-sum game.”

India is very complex with a multitude of the same divergences that enabled Britain to rule it so long still in existence. IMO, India’s major challenges are within itself as it not only needs to rid itself of the colonialism exerted from outside, but also must rid itself of the sort of colonialism that exists within its internal culture; otherwise, India will never become harmonious and reach its full potential.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 30 2023 16:45 utc | 140

Here’s one that almost got away
Posted by: karlof1 | May 30 2023 16:45 utc | 140
Good catch karlof1. We need more of that kind of analysis. Thanks.
(Antonym, you here? Or rather, you hear?)

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 30 2023 17:05 utc | 141

Posted by: karlof1 | May 29 2023 23:32 utc | 129
I find Crooke’s piece, though eminently reasonable, entirely unbelievable as well. Too many are depicting the Western elites as deluded. It could be so but they have been in the drivers seat for a long time with far more successes than failures.
A simple metric proves that assertion: the percent of total world wealth owned by richest tenth of 1%. Has been steadily trending in their favor for a very long time and no evidence yet of any substantive change in that regard. I think it’s around 50% in US right now. Would be interested to compare with other powers including Russia and China.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 30 2023 21:06 utc | 142

From John Helmer’s intriquing review of Turgenev’s Fathers and Sons:

Odintsova, according to Turgenev’s epilogue for the surviving characters, “has recently married again, not for love but out of conviction (that it was the reasonable thing to do) a man who promises to be one of the future leaders of Russia.” Turgenev then itemizes what he projects to be the characteristics of the future leaders of Russia — “a very able lawyer possessed of vigorous practical sense, a strong will and remarkable gifts of eloquence. He is quite young still, kind-hearted and as cold as ice.”
It cannot escape readers that in the 162 years since Turgenev wrote that, there has been only one leader of the Russian state to have fitted this bill.

https://johnhelmer.net/reading-turgenev-in-time-of-war-against-russia/#more-88044

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 30 2023 22:10 utc | 143

Another observation that would be great if it’s content differed, “The US should not conjecture China’s space ambitions with skewed mindset: Global Times editorial”. Here’s what I mean:

Not all countries share the same level of vision as China. While China’s aerospace industry is rapidly advancing, the US, on one hand, has closed its doors to space cooperation with China. It not only excludes China from the International Space Station but also imposes technological restrictions on China. On the other hand, it goes even further by introducing more militaristic elements into space.
According to a report from the Guardian, Brigadier General Jesse Morehouse, the deputy director of strategy, plans, and policy at US Space Command, recently made a chilling statement regarding China’s vision for space development and the so-called “provocations” by Russia. He said, “If someone was to threaten the United States of America, or any of our interests … we are ready to fight tonight.” This statement inadvertently reveals their true intentions.
Indeed, the US military is ready for the militarization and weaponization of space, posing a substantial threat to the peaceful use of space. The US Space Force’s budget request for the fiscal year 2024 reached $30 billion, a year-on-year increase of 15 percent. This is the largest budget request ever made for this branch and continues the trend of significant growth in recent years. It is ironic that the US lacks genuine interest in peaceful space exploration. Even the Apollo moon landings in the 1960s and 1970s were driven by the desire to compete with the Soviet Union. When it found that the cost-benefit ratio of maintaining US hegemony was not favorable, Washington immediately turned to the more aggressive “Star Wars” program.
After the end of the Cold War, the budget of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) was repeatedly slashed, and its exploration of space seemed to lose momentum. It was not until China’s aerospace advancements raised concerns in Washington that the budgets of NASA and the US Space Force began to increase year by year. What does this indicate? It shows that the initial intentions of US space exploration were misguided, and now they are using this same skewed mindset to assess China’s space ambitions.
In December 2022, the 77th session of the United Nations General Assembly passed two resolutions jointly proposed by China and Russia: “No first placement of weapons in outer space” and “Prevention of an arms race in outer space.” On the occasion of the launch of the Shenzhou-16 spacecraft, we once again call on the international community, particularly the US, to reach a consensus on negotiating relevant treaties as soon as possible.
Neil Armstrong’s words after landing on the moon, “That’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind,” still resonate with us, evoking both admiration and respect. However, it must be said that the subsequent actions of the US in space exploration have betrayed and disappointed these words.

IMO, it ought to be remembered that in 1969 Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Vietnamese, and many other people weren’t considered part of “mankind” because they lived within nations having different political-economies and were to be eliminated. Not much has really changed in that regard.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 1:53 utc | 144

IMO, DeSantis is very wrong to conflate “leftism” with “woke ideology” as RT reports:

“I will defeat leftism in this country and leave woke ideology on the dustbin of history [sic],” the Republican candidate promised in response to a question from one of the hosts regarding why he didn’t simply wait until former president and Republican frontrunner Donald Trump finished what his supporters assume would be an easy second term to win without the Florida governor’s interference.
Boasting about his “ability to win huge swathes of voters that Republicans typically can’t win while also delivering the boldest agenda anywhere in the country,” DeSantis vowed to not only triumph over incumbent Joe Biden but to serve two terms in office as president.

But isn’t DeSantis invoking “woke ideology” here:

He also referenced his lawfare crusade against Disney, reminding his hosts that Trump had taken the side of the entertainment giant
and declaring, “A multibillion-dollar company that sexualizes children is not consistent with the values of Florida.”

Isn’t the aim of “woke ideology” to divide and rule by escalating all aspects of the Culture Wars? If so, then DeSantis is a hypocrite, which isn’t at all unusual for a US politico.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 2:22 utc | 145

In your opinion, is it possible for Chinese society to develop the sort of chauvinism existing in the West or does their fundamental philosophical outlook–values–prevent that? What I see is China wants its strength to be rejuvenated but also desires to remain humble in its relations with all others since that generates harmony? Is that an accurate assumption or should it be modified?
Posted by: karlof1 | May 30 2023 16:03 utc | 139
This is a very tough one to explore as even while embedded into Chinese society I am still in reality an outsider looking in. While my Chinese is good enough to get me by in most situations I still have great difficulty in deciphering spoken language. Partly I think because Shenzhen society is largely immigrant and your taxi driver might be speaking Cantonese or a dialect from Hunan, Sichuan or Shanghai. I can give some more of my impressions of Chinese society which may go some way to elucidate.
China is a very peaceable society. In 16 years I have never felt threatened (although pickpocketed twice long ago), no gun violence (no guns!). No bar room brawls. The police are not in any way aggressive – I was asked once politely to delete a photograph I had taken in a sensitive area. The concept of Face is very important which essentially means you do not cause embarrassment to another in the presence of third parties. I am afraid my wife has found me guilty of this on a number of occasions. I can see that concept being valuable in a diplomatic context. And there is that endearing mannerism of always handing something to you with both hands which is important to remember to reciprocate.
Family is still overwhelmingly important, I think generally more so than in England, but is guess there is a spectrum of attitude in both countries so it is difficult to generalise. I am accepted as laowai, one of the family and experience no racism there or in any other context.
China is routinely described in the west as “authoritarian”. I would prefer to call it “nannyist”. The authorities cannot see a bare wall without wanting to plaster “do not” signs on it. I have a photographic collection of some I find particularly unnecessary and amusing: for one example, in the swimming pool I used to visit there is one banning “fighting”. This tends to bring out the anarchic streak in the locals and I have a glorious photo at a beach which shows such a sign with at least four pointless rules being broken in the background.
On the other hand it can be annoying: routinely in apartment blocks there are signs telling people not to jam the fire doors open, I fought a losing battle at my last address and by the time I left it was not necessary to put a plug of cardboard under the door as on every single one on 32 floors the closing mechanism was broken. Queue jumping used to be rife but the miscreants would often be politely put in their place. The standard of driving can be poor but it must be realised that the western concept of right of way does not carry much weight and nobody starts hooting when the lights turn green and cars stream across your path from the other side, or a vehicle decides to move from the kerb in front of you. I touched on the scourge of electric bikes last time. There are truly millions in Shenzhen, they are not supposed to be used on the road and many are inconsiderately driven at dangerous speeds on the pavement while the rider (often a delivery rider) is looking at a phone. I have been struck three times but friends have suffered considerably worse injury. I feel it is more carelessness and thoughtlessness rather than aggression.
Approval of government is very high, over 90% as I have seen, especially in regard to foreign threats, whereas the western governments struggle to exceed half of that, and it must be borne in mind that these surveys are independently carried out by US organisations such as Pew and Harvard. China has three or four levels of government which as I understand it are all elected level through level (no unelected head of state, prime minister or upper chamber as in the UK, hence there is an effective and trusted form of democracy here). The local community level office is always a short distance away and is approachable and responsive to problems at the local level.
I don’t know whether this answers your question. But it is good to have a conversation here, all too often one sees a string of points put up with no response, as if we are all alone and shouting in the dark, and I was on the point of giving up.
On a change of tack here is a Dongsheng piece this morning analysing the housing situation in China.
https://dongshengnews.org/en/is-china-housing-market-in-trouble/
Interesting fact: In 2019, China’s urban home-ownership rate reached 96%, one of the highest in the world, compared to the US’s 64.2% and Japan’s 61.9% in 2017.

Posted by: Walt | May 31 2023 2:52 utc | 146

The Cradle has a posting up with the title
Iran cenbank chief headed to US capital for talks with IMF
The quote

The IMF expects Iran’s economy to grow by two percent in 2023.
Iran’s bright economic outlook comes despite unrelenting economic sanctions imposed by the west, as the nation has been able to bypass the punitive measures and significantly boost its oil sector and non-oil trade.
As part of this strategy, Tehran has been leading the charge toward the de-dollarization of international trade to negate western sanctions.
Last week, the Iran-led Asian Clearing Union (ACU) – a group of nine central banks, including those of India and Pakistan – agreed to launch a new cross-border financial messaging system as an alternative to the main western financial network SWIFT.
“The [ACU] countries decided to have a customized system for themselves, considering that SWIFT is not available to all countries and given that it has its own costs,” the CBI deputy governor said following an ACU summit in Tehran on 24 May.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 31 2023 3:07 utc | 147

they’re making the West look bad and the East the good guys. This would play exactly into that. They want you to see them as the good guys. If you look at China, they have a god damn social credit score system that’s straight from 1984. Does that sound very good to you? Your every move is being watched over there.
Posted by: just somebody | May 28 2023 17:52 utc | 31
—————-
G7 .

To leave decisions about the world economy ‘to officials somewhere in Africa or some Asian capital is not a good idea’
It would be better for serious decisions to be made by ‘the sort of people sitting around this table
We need a vehicle where we can find solutions for these challenges [the growth of China and India] together—so when these monsters arrive in 10 years, we will be able to deal with them’.

RINGS A bell ?
The ‘wn’ mantra

The yellow peril is gonna overrun us some day !

Exhibit A
scorpion

Watch up for the Indians/Chinaman.
Especially China, who might turn out to be just another monster.

See, if there’s one unifying factor in USAss, it must be the yellow peril,.
Its bi-partisan, across the board, bottom up from the grass root.
In come another we dindunuthin ‘wn’ shithead,

But, but , those gents dont mean what they say really, its the joos who wanna make us look bad.
Fact is, our leaders learn all that bad vibe from the gawd damned chicom’ !

Posted by: denk | May 31 2023 3:12 utc | 148

IMO, it ought to be remembered that in 1969 Russians, Chinese, Cubans, Vietnamese, and many other people weren’t considered part of “mankind” because they lived within nations having different political-economies and were to be eliminated. Not much has really changed in that regard.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 1:53 utc | 144
A bit of clarification on that, with respect, karlof1. 1969 cold war issues were being directed not at Russia per se, but at the Communist regime. There were many cultural efforts in process which gained strength as time progressed. The Russian people themselves were not under direct attack. Rightly or wrongly it was the regime that was the enemy. Rightly or wrongly, the perception was that of a great people under extreme limitations.
1969 was the year of my own little church beginnings, and it was a Russian church with a Russian priest. I can remember a famed Russian cellist who had given concerts all over the US, in a later year coming to our church and being welcomed – and we surely remember the movies and books which began to be part of classical literature – “Dr Zhivago” in the late ’50’s and “The Master and Margarita” late ’60’s.
1969 was also the year I first studied in depth Dostoievski’s “The Brothers Karamazov,” so I know there was no suggestion then of eliminating Russian or any other element of ‘mankind’ being part of general USofA propaganda, though who knows what the much less powerful oligarchy had in mind — I will grant you that.
What is happening today is a horse of a different color and only the elite and those duped by the elite are riding that horse. They used communism but championed the faith that had been suppressed, then used the faith to appear trustworthy and have done double disservice to the Russian people. We were a much better educated public back then, even on the elementary level. And we knew our government was in trouble. We just didn’t know how much trouble it was really in.
Thanks to David F back on the first page – “The Idiot” is really a must – beautiful connections to Dostoievski’s own experiences entering Siberia’s pre-Gulag exile, and it might shed some light on “The Demons” as well, being a ‘prequel’ to “TBK”, which is really for me the crowning work as it helped me see Christianity in a new light.

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2023 3:36 utc | 149

“But it is good to have a conversation here, all too often one sees a string of points put up with no response,
as if we are all alone and shouting in the dark, and I was on the point of giving up.”
Posted by: Walt | May 31 2023 2:52 utc | 146
Well, that is most appreciated Walt. I give you my heartfelt thanks – with both hands:) – for taking the time to put that together.
Parsing a spoken foreign language at an advanced age is certainly difficult. Here in Norway it is required for immigrants to take 300 hours
of language class before gettting a residence permit. That is waived for those over 55. I wish you better results as time passes as it
is a very important, as you must be keenly aware, for full assimilation.
Anytime you want to write more I’m sure it will be welcomed here. And the know-it-all knowlittles can just pound sand.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 31 2023 3:54 utc | 150

In response to

Interesting fact: In 2019, China’s urban home-ownership rate reached 96%, one of the highest in the world, compared to the US’s 64.2% and Japan’s 61.9% in 2017.
Posted by: Walt | May 31 2023 2:52 utc | 146

Thanks for the China perspective Walt
Please define “urban home-ownership rate” in relation to overall home-ownership rate….thanks….it sounds too high for overall but I would be happy to be wrong
Thanks

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 31 2023 4:28 utc | 151

Walt | May 31 2023 2:52 utc | 146–
Thanks again for your reply. Your answers and descriptions work for me. I’d say the rapidity of urban life makes it hard to stay mindful. The housing article was very good. China needs to be very careful and mindful in opening its finances to the world as most global players are accustomed to Wild West Casino Financing with very little regulation.
What about other distractions like professional sports? I know basketball is big there, but what of others? China’s Olympic level athletes are very good and improving, and I know outdoor Winter sports got a big boost from the Olympics.
As for conversations, I hope others chime in with their own queries.
Thanks again, Walt!

Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 4:41 utc | 152

psychohistorian | May 31 2023 3:07 utc | 147–
Thanks for that report. An Iranian of that sort was issued a visa?! Wow.
The article Walt linked was good and might have the answer to your question.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 4:44 utc | 153

@ Walt | May 31 2023 2:52 utc | 146
Please keep posting. Conversation is very much harder now at MoA, in the snarl of traffic. Threads are so long that people have trouble checking in to respond to others.
But as waynorinorway @150 makes clear, your comments are priceless, and greatly appreciated by many.
And as following comments show, a conversation is a prized event.

Posted by: Grieved | May 31 2023 4:51 utc | 154

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 31 2023 3:54 utc | 150
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 31 2023 4:28 utc | 151
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Posted by: Grieved | May 31 2023 4:51 utc | 154
Thanks for your comments, quite overwhelming, it’s good to have the time now to spend in such celebrated company as a contributor and not just as a lurker. I do get the impression that most of us here such as having the time to do so are of advanced years. Age does seem to flower into wisdom!
Sport: not much in evidence around here, in the schools there is football and basketball but the Philippines is the place for the latter. Even the smallest village has a basketball court. Often minus a roof owing to the typhoons but they carry on. The block I am in now in Shenzhen has a swimming pool three floors down. I am usually the only occupant. The Chinese don’t seem to be much into swimming, again at the beach I am the only one swimming and the rest are just splashing around in the shallows.
Home ownership: all I can tell is that they account for urban and rural differently. I must say I find that urban figure surprising because there is a lot of social housing around here and whole blocks subsidised for government employees. But the cheapest stuff, older six floor blocks without lifts and even older slums in the urban villages may be making up the numbers.
Threads. Ah yes. I tend to stick to this one which is less frantic, less troll-intensive. As in the old English pubs I see this as the Saloon Bar with carpets, comfortable seating and polite conversation, whereas the Ukraine is the Public Bar with sawdust on the floor and occasional brawls.

Posted by: Walt | May 31 2023 5:39 utc | 155

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 29 2023 18:59 utc | 124
This is a summary of those killed and maimed in the Yellow Vests protests in France:
Yellow Vests
This is not fundamentally different from a repressive dictatorship.

Posted by: Passerby | May 31 2023 5:42 utc | 156

Thanks to karlof1 for the encouragement to go follow Walt’s link which I did and is the source for the quote below

Among the home-owning households in China, 58.4% owned 1 property, 31% owned 2 properties, and 10.5% owned 3 or more properties.

If I remember the article correctly, about 65% of the China public is currently “urban” and so the overall home ownership rate is significantly lower.
That said, I am in agreement with the efforts that China is making to try and manage that complicated sector of the social safety net and economy (people housing, store of value/savings, construction/maintenance, and associated finance) with the public as the beneficiary more than those at the top….which brings me to the quote I included above that shows the existence of 10% that can afford to own multiple homes and 40+% that are renters.
I have watched the rich get richer and the poor get poorer in the US over my lifetime and only hope that China continues to manage and integrate individual success so that a class of oligarchs doesn’t develop that have undue ongoing influence over social safety net scope and general provision.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 31 2023 5:51 utc | 157

@ juliania | May 31 2023 3:36 utc | 149

Threads. Ah yes. I tend to stick to this one which is less frantic, less troll-intensive. As in the old English pubs I see this as the Saloon Bar with carpets, comfortable seating and polite conversation, whereas the Ukraine is the Public Bar with sawdust on the floor and occasional brawls.
Posted by: Walt | May 31 2023 5:39 utc | 155

That’s a right-on comment Walt, and my feelings exactly. I’m happy to see Juliania hasn’t packed up and left yet, so will put forth this thought in an effort to bribe, convince, entice, persuade her to hang in here. – We should consider the Open Threads as the ‘Juliania Room’.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 31 2023 6:35 utc | 158

The following is from the independent Australian MP, Andrew Wilkie [Tasmania]:
“Julian Assange
I was proud to stand beside Stella Assange in Parliament House to call for the Australian Government to ramp up its support for her husband Julian Assange, who is currently incarcerated in Belmarsh Prison and facing the very real possibility of spending the rest of his life behind bars in a United States prison, simply for exposing hard evidence of US war crimes, corruption and human rights abuses. The political persecution of Julian strikes at the very heart of media freedom, as his extradition would set a frightening precedent for all journalists that they too are at risk of being locked up, just for doing their job.
There has been growing support for Julian in Australia, and that was highlighted with politicians from all parties attending a briefing from Stella and Julian’s lawyer, Jennifer Robinson. They agree that the persecution of Julian has gone on too long and must be brought to an end.
In Question Time, I asked Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to meet with Stella to discuss what can be done to bring Julian home. Disappointingly he didn’t agree to a meeting, but it was heartening to hear him once again express his concern that Julian’s incarceration has gone on long enough.”
Wilkie has guts and his electorate agrees.

Posted by: Paul GV | May 31 2023 8:16 utc | 159

Grieved | May 31 2023 4:51 utc | 154
Conversation is very much harder now at MoA, in the snarl of traffic
Yep, the dreck, the trolling, the imposters, the war porn, and the impractical, long tranches of cut & paste, have rendered good conversation pretty much moot.
Meanwhile, at the European Parliament at the International COVID Summit III, Dr. David Martin has something important to say.

Posted by: john | May 31 2023 9:30 utc | 160

Walt # 2:52 utc | 146
Thank you for your peek into China. Really welcome and so too was the link to Dongshengnews.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2023 10:13 utc | 161

john # 9:30 utc | 160

Meanwhile, at the European Parliament at the International COVID Summit III, Dr. David Martin has something important to say.

Thank you. Trust a patent attorney to be as blunt as the back of an axe. I love that guy and he has been hard at it for some while.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 31 2023 10:18 utc | 162

Posted by: juliania | May 31 2023 3:36 utc | 149
Juliana, I wish I could agree with you but communism disappeared while hate for all things Russia only grew and keeps on growing, I guess you’re aware of the declarations by some S. Caroline senator about money well spent killing Russians. Take a look at this article about Bulgakov the author of Master and Margarita, use a translator, a memorial in honor of Bulgakov in Kiev stained with red paint and the museum where it is located refuses to clean it, a Kiev born writer he like Gogol committed the great sin of writing in Russian. They’re taking their hate to an absurd level, today in our “paper of reference” El País an article about a campaign to culturally fight anything Russian like renaming works of art, for instance Degas painting “Russian Dancers” from now on it is “Ukrainian Dancers”, with this header, “Degas’ Russian dancers were Ukrainians: Russia loses a cultural battle”
To tell you the truth, they’re not only full of hate but imbecility as well, since that way they recognize that Ukraine always was a part of Russia.
https://theins.info/news/262126
https://elpais.com/internacional/2023-05-31/las-bailarinas-rusas-de-degas-eran-ucranias-rusia-pierde-una-batalla-cultural.html

Posted by: Paco | May 31 2023 10:45 utc | 163

uncle tungsten | May 31 2023 10:18 utc | 162
Yeah, unlike the European Commission President, Ursula von der Leyen, he doesn’t mince words.

Posted by: john | May 31 2023 10:48 utc | 164

Posted by: Paco | May 31 2023 10:45 utc | 163
I think you do agree with me, Paco, for I agree with you. Probably I was too garbled in trying to present my argument. I was describing the US public’s attitude towards Russia in 1969. Indeed I am not surprised (but sad) concerning what you post about the treatment of Bulgakov’s legacy in Ukraine — I would say it further calls into question the Ukrainian roots of those involved.
Posted by: waynorinorway | May 31 2023 6:35 utc | 158
waynorinorway, flattery will get you everywhere – or it would needed I to be persuaded — but you lovely people can more than hold your own; b has a great group here.
Let’s just say it’s obviously hard to stay away. I have to come and read when I can, and as Poirot says “Time and the little grey cells, these will always catch the criminal.” Hah! you caught me! Just keep on keeping on.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 1 2023 3:21 utc | 165

@ S | May 29 2023 17:41 utc | 118
sorry to be late in seeing this, but thank you for these ideas on how to do that! i have saved your post for future reference…. thanks..

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2023 5:11 utc | 166