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May 31, 2023
Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 2023-130
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British police detain journalist Kit Klarenberg, interrogate him about The Grayzone
WARNING! Chinese Economic Multipolarity is a ‘SCAM’ – Russia Nears Complete Loss of Economic Independence in Trade With China (look it up)! Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 31 2023 14:02 utc | 4 Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 31 2023 14:03 utc | 5 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7QLwSAcRQAk Posted by: SwissArmyMan | May 31 2023 14:03 utc | 5 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 31 2023 14:08 utc | 7 Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Derek Henry | May 31 2023 14:12 utc | 8 Barflies, Posted by: intelliplay | May 31 2023 14:19 utc | 9 Would you rather have Russians standing in factories working 14 hours a day producing running shoes and plastic toys. Posted by: Derek Henry | May 31 2023 14:25 utc | 10 Why wouldn’t Klarenberg tell them to just arrest him then? I mean unless I was in a position like Julian Assange where I knew that there was likely a secret American indictment on me, so long as I knew for a fact I’d never done anything illegal, why consent to DNA and what charges would he have been arrested for? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 14:27 utc | 11 Running trade deficits is normally a sign you won the wars. See Rome and US for details. Posted by: Derek Henry | May 31 2023 14:30 utc | 12 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 14:27 utc | 11 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 31 2023 14:35 utc | 13 https://transnational.live/2023/05/29/lily-lynch-how-nato-seduced-the-european-left/ Posted by: Paul from Norway | May 31 2023 14:43 utc | 15 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 14:27 utc | 11 Posted by: Paul from Norway | May 31 2023 14:49 utc | 16 https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2023/05/31/authoritarianism-keeps-surging-in-western-free-democracies/ Posted by: pretzelattack | May 31 2023 14:50 utc | 17 “In a downbeat forecast for growth across advanced G20 economies, it said a ramping up of interest rates by central banks on both sides of the Atlantic was expected to weigh on economic growth this year.” Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | May 31 2023 14:57 utc | 18 b@1 Posted by: grunzt | May 31 2023 15:04 utc | 19 @Paul from Norway | May 31 2023 14:43 utc | 15
Remember how the left in Europe used to be socialist an pacifist? Well for sure something happened between the eighties and nineties, when they all suddenly and simultaneously became green and lost all interest in universal peace and social progress. Posted by: Lurk | May 31 2023 15:06 utc | 20 “Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 13:58 utc | 2” Posted by: Comandante | May 31 2023 15:06 utc | 21 @#2…. nonsense. The Russia/China trade is mutually beneficial. China buys energy resources and military technology. Russia buys finished manufactured goods. Nothing wrong with this. It is how they have kept their economy going. Russia/India trade is a bit of a problem. Russia sells India energy resources and gets back??? India is working on that but doesn’t really have enough output to compete with China. India is a long time friend of Russia and Russia wants India as an active participant in BRICS. So Russia just bites the bullet here. The USA is by far the worst trading partner. You sell the US stuff and get pigeon holed into a mafia style financial trap were you run the risk of having everything stolen. Posted by: goldhoarder | May 31 2023 15:10 utc | 22 A propos Zaluzhnyi, and now also Budanov, has anybody seen or heard of “Ayatollah Mike” lately? It’s been a while. I don’t believe a thing about the essentially unsourced retirement stories on the Michael d’Andrea wiki page. Posted by: Lurk | May 31 2023 15:18 utc | 23 CounterPunch recently ran this article: https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/05/26/the-death-penalty-for-homelessness/ which is mostly an okay piece, though it decides to be lazy and misreport the Jordan Neely incident (the man was in the middle of a psychotic outburst and potentially dangerous. I’m not endorsing the use of a chokehold, but there was important context. Or just be lazy and accuse the other guy of being a Nazi, sure, fine. That’s good journalism, right). Posted by: OC Anonymous | May 31 2023 15:30 utc | 24 @Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 13:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Hermit | May 31 2023 15:55 utc | 25 It really is shocking that Kit Klarenberg was treated in this way. Posted by: bevin | May 31 2023 15:59 utc | 26 The Skwawkbox has more on the Klarenberg story Posted by: bevin | May 31 2023 16:06 utc | 27 Posted by: Paul from Norway | May 31 2023 14:49 utc | 16 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 16:08 utc | 28 his personal opinion on everything from the current British political leadership Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 31 2023 16:11 utc | 29 RE: Klarenberg and UK fascist law, to anyone who knows the law in Britain: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 16:19 utc | 30 Thank Big Brother for raising chocolate rations Who needs meat, when we have chocolate!
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 31 2023 16:22 utc | 31 Klarenberg’s work is published on the Grayzone. Aaren Mate. Posted by: Ant. | May 31 2023 16:32 utc | 32 In the interests of open discussion, here is the link to Section 3, Paragraph 23 of the UK Counter Terrorism and Border Security Act, 2019. Posted by: Ant. | May 31 2023 16:51 utc | 33 I am curious, wonder if anyone has familiarity: Posted by: jared | May 31 2023 17:06 utc | 34 Saw Annalena Baerbock on German television today. On the way to Oslo. She wore a long, blue body-hugging dress and walked awkwardly. As if on eggs. It looked as if she had made her boobs. Because of the new size, she probably still had problems walking. Posted by: Shoplifter | May 31 2023 17:20 utc | 35 Anti-Chinese propaganda on YouTube
YouTube has a number of Anti-Chinese propaganda channels, that are heavily promoted by YouTube’s algorithms. I came across one this morning. The latest outburst was about pollution in China. Yes, industry brings pollution. China has industrialized, while the West has deindustrialized. Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 31 2023 17:25 utc | 36 @Posted by: Ant. | May 31 2023 16:32 utc | 32
Its a rules-based order because they cannot be restricted by a law-based order. The rules are whatever the West decides they are, and those rules are only for others not themselves.All just one big propaganda campaign to hide the workings of Empire. A really good discussion of what neoliberalism is in less than 15 minutes, perfect for those friends and family that need such things explained to them. The guy is very good at explaining such things in a very clear and concise way.
That brings to mind a song, Karn Evil 9 (1st impression, part 1), by Emerson, Lake, & Palmer, on an album I first bought on vinyl the year it came out and just listened to again (from a CD I bought over 36 years ago) to make sure I had the lyrics right.
Why does your comment bring this song to mind? Because I have the same reaction now as I had to the same idea you just expressed: that the photographer who has the guts to go there and take photos that you deride as ‘poverty tourism’ is not actually doing anything. You, at least, are doing something directly, so good for you, thank you. But how dare some musicians singing in a nice comfortable studio about a serious social problem heap scorn on the photographers who brought it to their attention, and to the world’s attention? And how dare you do the same today, heaping scorn on people who are working on the same problem you are? Think about this: how did you find out that something needed done, in the first place? I’ll bet you read something, and I’ll bet it included photos that got your attention to read the words.
Posted by: Dalit | May 31 2023 17:57 utc | 39 Re: being detained by state security at the airport Posted by: Exile | May 31 2023 18:22 utc | 40 now their plight is captured in the lyrics of the jackasses for gold records Posted by: Not Ewe | May 31 2023 18:55 utc | 41 Posted by: Hermit | May 31 2023 18:42 utc | 42 Posted by: Ant. | May 31 2023 18:57 utc | 42 I would attend to the starker contrast of Counterpunch relative reknown versus Consortium News being ignored by concerned researchers. This I would attribute to technologies reach. much as that record attempted to exploit. Posted by: Not Ewe | May 31 2023 18:57 utc | 43 Whew! Glad that’s settled! Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 31 2023 18:58 utc | 44 @ pretzelattack | May 31 2023 14:50 utc | 17
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 31 2023 18:59 utc | 45 b., Thanks for this report; and pretzelattack @ 17, too, for the link to Caitlin Johnstone’s piece. Posted by: onceandfuture | May 31 2023 19:02 utc | 46 “…I get the impression that there are no Russian (nor Chinese) citizen/residents on Moon’…” jared@34 Posted by: bevin | May 31 2023 19:21 utc | 47 Joe Biden’s former assistant Tara Reade, who accused him of harassment, intends to ask Russian President Vladimir Putin to grant her Russian citizenship. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 31 2023 19:31 utc | 48 “Thats not hedgemony lol thats genocide.” Posted by: Rae | May 31 2023 20:13 utc | 49 So Pepe has some things to say about Erdogan’s re-election: Posted by: Bemildred | May 31 2023 20:36 utc | 50 Posted by: Ant. | May 31 2023 16:51 utc | 33 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 21:04 utc | 51 Bemildred | May 31 2023 20:36 utc | 50– The relevant paragraph and sub-paragraphs:
So up to just about one year in detention (in a standard jail? prison? house arrest?) when you consider the trial (would still like to know more about how these things are tried, or does a judge just make the decision?) and some amount of money. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 21:16 utc | 53 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 21:16 utc | 53 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 21:18 utc | 54 An activist who supported the SMO in the Ukraine found dead in Australia (EurAsia Daily, May 31, 2023 — in Russian)
I assume they are talking about the Facebook group “Aussie Cossack Public Enemy No 1” (“Aussie Cossack” being the nickname of Semyon Boykov). Obviously, we should wait for more information, but it’s not impossible that Ukrainian Nazis have started murdering people outside the Ukraine, too. Posted by: S | May 31 2023 21:27 utc | 55 Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 21:12 utc | 52 Posted by: Bemildred | May 31 2023 21:32 utc | 56 Russia Is Experiencing An Educated Population Exodus! Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 21:48 utc | 57 @ 57 Posted by: Don Bacon | May 31 2023 21:59 utc | 58 This is the issue that will bring down the current german goverment. All try to declare covid is over, but the numbers will haunt them. There is a strong and organized opposition who will not stop to follow this to the bottom. A peer reviewed article counted 100.000 death people over the expected number in 21 and 22 after a normal year 2020. Mostly in age below 60. Actually we look here at millions of healthy life years destroyed by greed. Still there have to be done a lot of cleaning work in courts and ministries but this opposition will not shut up before this dark years will find a conclusion. What me disturb most is this excess death numbers doesnt stop like you would expect after the campaign stoped. There is done a lasting harm to millions of people. Link to Cureus – estimation of excess mortality in germany during 2020-2022 Posted by: rico rose | May 31 2023 22:01 utc | 59 Posted by: Adonis Cirillo | May 31 2023 21:48 utc | 57 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 31 2023 22:03 utc | 60 Bemildred @56– Arms which we sent to Ukraine have been spotted at the US’s southern border. Posted by: Passerby | May 31 2023 22:15 utc | 62 Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 22:12 utc | 61 Posted by: Bemildred | May 31 2023 22:38 utc | 63 Adonis Cirillo @ 2, 57: Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 31 2023 22:59 utc | 64 Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2023 22:12 utc | 61 Posted by: Bemildred | May 31 2023 23:11 utc | 65 Moldova is jumping the shark. Posted by: Derek Henry | May 31 2023 23:41 utc | 66 A pdf of some sort of Grand Jury process which presents evidence about the plandemic. Ostensibly, hundreds of lawyers and doctors world wide have banded together to counter what they see as a world wide threat and this Grand Jury process is one outcome of this collaborative effort.
If some of it is inaccurate or deliberate disinformation, no doubt good information is in there as well as any bad. The devil, as always, is in the details. The Grand Jury page which previews the case and lists all the witnesses to be called: What Moldova will never understand is what BRICS is trying to fix. Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 1 2023 0:09 utc | 69 For those who expressed interest in my descriptions of life in China (Jared @34, where were you yesterday!) and would appreciate something visual, here is a link to the first of a series of roughly half hour films I have made over the past ten years. Posted by: Walt | Jun 1 2023 0:15 utc | 70 @b #1 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 1 2023 0:17 utc | 71 @Petri Krohn Posted by: Rufus Arrr | Jun 1 2023 0:19 utc | 72 Kit stuff … Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 1 2023 0:28 utc | 73 Lula screams for a currency union in South America. Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 1 2023 0:29 utc | 74 Lula – ” I don’t understand money so let’s start a currency union” Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 1 2023 0:35 utc | 75 Returning to ‘The Bridge’ and …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 1 2023 0:59 utc | 76 I’ll confess that I pirate quite a lot of “content” like movies. A long-time Bit Torrent site with ties to both Russia and Ukraine suddenly and without warning simply closed up shop overnight. See their reasons:
Imagine what kind of energy bills manufacturing is dealing with in Europe, including Eastern Europe. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 1 2023 1:00 utc | 77 Whoops. Shouldn’t have included the link. Previous post was disappeared. I’m sure it’s on many blacklists.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 1 2023 1:02 utc | 78 https://panafricanvisions.com/2022/04/a-potential-game-changer-for-trade-in-africa-with-papss-mike-ogbalu/ Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 1 2023 1:42 utc | 79 Holding their feet to the fire Posted by: farm ecologist | Jun 1 2023 1:56 utc | 80 Holding their feet to the fire Posted by: farm ecologist | Jun 1 2023 2:02 utc | 81 The Institute for Statecraft and Integrity Initiative will NEVER forgive Kit Klarenberg for gatecrashing their party. And MI6 and its branches will forever pursue him as they supply the funding to those two quaint organisations. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 2:03 utc | 82 https://vimeo.com/286354627 Margaret Kimberley always has something interesting to say: Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2023 2:26 utc | 84 Perhaps of relevance to past and future US elections. I posted some of this report relevant to the Ukraine thread but this is of broad relevance and barflies who keep away from Ukraine Liberation thread might appreciate it.
Perhaps this explains the flawed Patriot missile system in more ways than we could have imagined. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 3:18 utc | 86 @ Dalit | May 31 2023 17:57 utc | 39 Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 1 2023 3:22 utc | 87 G7
G7 is nuthin but [7 liars], an extension of [five liars] tracing right back to the 8NA.
OUch !
Sure the gardenist want Indians for their perenial sepoys, thats all, as for G7,
G7
heheheh Posted by: denk | Jun 1 2023 3:53 utc | 88 posted on Open thread …. 17 min interview with Kit on Redacted Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 1 2023 5:16 utc | 89 Australia has the yellow submarine blues as the USA reneges on the deal.
Virginia class… the ones that bump into sub sea mountains… trash cans of history. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 1 2023 5:36 utc | 90 @Rufus Arrr #72 Posted by: BillB | Jun 1 2023 6:09 utc | 91 I consider ELP to be a peace/antiwar/maybe pro-pirates rock and roll band. Given the prior achievement of The Nice’s America (instrumental protest song) and the lyrical content of Crimson’s Schizoid, much respect for the simple and effective efforts like Lucky Man, and of course the ethics of the time, which are hard to reproduce these days, but if you are old enough, hard to forget. Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 1 2023 7:07 utc | 92 … but in the end, the corruption police made sure that compliance was universal. … Posted by: anon2020 | Jun 1 2023 7:27 utc | 93 If someone has an up-to-date blacklist or whitelist for MoA helper, could you consider posting? Posted by: Passerby | Jun 1 2023 7:47 utc | 94 Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 1 2023 0:35 utc | 75 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 1 2023 7:55 utc | 95 See – sometimes it is worth having a gander at mainstream media. I’ve just taken a quick look at Australia’s Sydney Morning Herald in the hope of garnering information about the death of James Walters, a chap who was found dead who had been loudly protesting about Australia’s support for Ukraine war criminals, who had been threatened by ukies resident in Oz for some time. Posted by: Debsisdead | Jun 1 2023 9:01 utc | 96 the mistake in Europe was to introduce Notes and Coins Posted by: too scents | Jun 1 2023 9:12 utc | 97 Why wouldn’t Klarenberg tell them to just arrest him then? I mean unless I was in a position like Julian Assange where I knew that there was likely a secret American indictment on me, so long as I knew for a fact I’d never done anything illegal, why consent to DNA and what charges would he have been arrested for? Posted by: Mary | Jun 1 2023 9:36 utc | 98 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Jun 1 2023 7:55 utc | 95 Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 1 2023 9:45 utc | 99 ” US exports in US dollars and exports inflation ” Posted by: Derek Henry | Jun 1 2023 10:05 utc | 100 |
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