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May 22, 2023
Media And Politicians Throw So Much Bullshit At Us That It Is Difficult To See Through It

Western media are feeding us bullshit. It is so strong that even western politicians, like the public, seem to believe in it. The reason is that it is increasingly difficult to detect the bullshit because there is just too much of it.

Gilbert Doctorow takes on the Western disinformation campaign especially with regards to the fall of Bakhmut:

[I]t is these censorious states and the mass media that carry their messages with stenographic precision into print and electronic dissemination who are the ones that day after day feed disinformation to the public. It is cynically composed and consists of a toxic blend of ‘spin,’ by which is meant misleading interpretation of events, and outright lies.

The many months long battle for the provincial Donbas city of Bakhmut, or Artyomovsk as it is known in Russia, has been described variously from on high in Washington, London and Berlin. When the likely outcome was unclear, the defense of Bakhmut was called heroic and demonstrative of the brave fighting spirit of the Ukrainians.

Casualty figures issued by Kiev and then trumpeted from Washington suggested that the Russians were stupidly throwing away the lives of their fighting men by using WWI style human waves of attackers who were decimated by the defenders. Russian lives are cheap was the message. The fact that Russian artillery on site outnumbered and outperformed Ukrainian artillery by a factor of five or seven to one was freely admitted by the Western propagandists as they pleaded for increased supplies to Kiev. They, nonetheless, issued casualty reports for the Russians that inverted the force correlation. It was assumed, obviously with reason, that the public was too lazy or too uninterested to do the arithmetic.

I had earlier taken on the nonsensical casualty claims:

The Russian forces fire ten times the number of shells the Ukrainians can fire. In a modern war artillery fire causes 65+% of all casualties. It is thus impossible that Ukraine is losing less soldiers than the Russians.

The total ratio may well be 7 to 1 but it will certainly be to the advantage of the Russian forces side.

The reporting on the alleged not-fall of Bakhmut in mainstream media is similar nonsensical:

The New York Times writes:

As Russia Claims Victory in Bakhmut, Ukraine Sees Opportunity Amid Ruins

Russia’s capture of Bakhmut would be a powerful symbolic success for Moscow. It would represent the first Ukrainian city it has seized since Lysychansk last summer, and be a setback for Kyiv, which expended precious ammunition and sent some of its most capable forces to try to thwart Russia’s devastating monthslong assault on the city. Thousands of troops from both sides are believed to have been killed in nearly a year of intense fighting there.

Bakhmut has fallen. Why then is the NYT writing in the subjunctive 'would'? It does not make sense.

The Washington Post does likewise:

As hold on Bakhmut slips, Ukrainian forces push to encircle city

Ukrainian forces have been reduced to small footholds in the devastated eastern city of Bakhmut, which despite its limited strategic importance has emerged as the war’s bloodiest battlefield. But they have made gains on the Russian flanks, in a move to encircle the city and extend the fight there, according to Ukrainian officials and military personnel in the field.

Ukraine still holds slivers of the city, including the area around what has become a landmark of Ukraine’s last redoubt: a destroyed sculpture of a Soviet MiG fighter jet, according to multiple military personnel involved in defending the position, which Russian forces continue to contest.

No. Ukraine does not hold 'slivers of the city'. Videos published yesterday evidently prove that:

Ukraine Control Map @UAControlMap – 10:50 UTC · May 22, 2023

46/48 Wagner flag raise in south west Bakhmut near the destroyed MiG statue
Coordinates: 48.57570907, 37.96475216
Map view: Google

'Encircling the city' is likewise a dream.

Situation in Bakhmut on May 8

Source: LiveUAmapbigger
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Situation in Bakhmut on May 22

Source: LiveUAmapbigger

The scale of the map is on the bottom right. From it we can tell that the Russian forces, under attack, have moved back some 1 or 2 kilometers from the difficult to defend fields towards better suited positions after Ukrainian forces wasted their lives to open a corridor for the troops fleeing from Bakhmut. That attack happened on May 11. On the following day the Russian Defense Ministry said that the Ukrainian side, during the last 24 hours, had lost 1,725 men, 9 tanks and 55 armored combat vehicles. That was so far the biggest reported daily loss in this war. The lines on the flanks of Bakhmut have since been stabilized.

So where please is the 'encirclement'? The maps show no attempt of one.

Yves Smith points out that the disinformation allures have seemingly turned into the believes of those who issues them:

US Geopolitics: Believing Impossible Things

In corporate America, there’s a decent risk that fakery will get caught out by competitors, short sellers, whistleblowers, and just plain careful reading of audited financials.

By contrast, in politics, reality avoidance is routinely the key to a long and successful-looking career, witness Eurocrats’ fondness for “kick the can” strategies. And that propensity is particularly dangerous when leadership groups have become both selfish and short-termist. There really was once upon a time some people who went into government service for the service part, and not for the revolving door and networking.

But now, the well-honed effectiveness of propaganda has encouraged politicians and their media amplifiers/allies to go hog wild with selling Big Lies. And the worst is there are no consequences for the perps.

The wee problem with the war in Ukraine and the escalating US eye-poking of China is neither is going very well, to the degree that the propaganda started fizzling out very quickly in the Global South and is losing its potency in the West. It’s hard to keep up the pretense of a great inevitable Ukraine victory with Ukraine losing Bakhmut, after Zelensky made it the centerpiece of his Congressional love-fest last December. Oh, but Ukraine is still trying to deny it is lost, as they did for Mariupol and Soledar until well after the fact.

The believe into impossible things is not only with regards to the war in Ukraine but also with the bigger view towards China:

Similarly, US officials may have told themselves that much of the world regarded China with suspicion due to its often-overheated rhetoric and hypersensitivity to slights. But these self-comforting beliefs about China’s position on the world stage got a big wake up call with China brokering a normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran, and then Syria. Now China is making more trouble by wandering into America’s back yard, as in Europe, and talking up its napkin-doodle Ukraine peace plan.

The extreme hostile G7 communique on China is simply another expression of western delusion:

According to the Financial Times, the G7 has issued its strongest condemnation of China, and most of the other international mainstream media also highlight that it "amps up pressure on China." It seems that the only way for the G7 to catch people's attention and show its sense of presence is to speculate on the issues related to China.

As a "rich countries' club" that once accounted for up to 70% of the global economy, the G7 has been facing a serious existential crisis in recent years as its economic weight has been declining, coupled with a decline in global population share and perceived attractiveness.

The louder the anti-China rhetoric from the G7, the smaller its actual impact will be, as this is a natural law. This is because it would mean that G7 serves the strategic interests of the US rather than the welfare of the international community, making it difficult to receive any "assistance" but more difficult to make progress. It is very likely that in the end, the G7 will find that it has expended a lot of effort, but the result is only spinning its wheels.

The Hiroshima summit seems to have given the G7 a sense of "shaping history," but this illusion will soon be blown away by the winds of reality, since without internal prosperity and development, external displays of strength are only superficial.

Unfortunately many people in the west  believe the bullshit their politicians and media are throwing at them. As Caitlin Johnstone observes:

The problem that underpins most other problems in modern times is that human minds are highly hackable, and that the science of hacking them at mass scale has been advancing since Bernays over a century ago. This is what keeps people consenting to the destructive and exploitative agendas of the powerful against their own interests.

Many people, maybe even most people, are to some extent aware that our entire civilization is bullshit. Relatively few are able to describe exactly how and why it’s bullshit, though, because there’s so much bullshit it’s hard to get a clear view of how the bullshit is happening.

It’s hard to understand how and why our civilization is bullshit exactly because our civilization is bullshit. It’s rife with lies, the teachers feed us lies, the algorithms feed us lies, and we’re trained to look for information in areas that will turn up lies.

In a civilization that’s made of bullshit, it’s rare to gain solid enough footing and high enough ground to be able to look around and clearly see how all the bullshit is happening. Everything here is geared toward preventing us from gaining that footing. It takes hard, diligent work, and more than a little luck.

Unfortunately her conclusion is right.

Comments

Debsisdead | May 23 2023 2:52 utc | 100 who ended with

These idjits simply didn’t know history, not ancient history – modern history all from less than 100 years ago. They are just not going to be able to keep up the bullshit as they do not know enough to be able to make plausible bullshit.

Agreed and thanks
People are comparing the political BS with reality more and more but in America it seems to be putting them in a daze. They do not know what to do and are angry at people like me that they now know have been telling them the truth for an extended period.
It is one thing for the psychopaths to continue to double down but just folks are not going down that path. I think some serious anger will come out but there is enough example of adults in the global room to not let things get out of hand again…..especially if Russia can continue to eliminate military equipment from all over empire….and then insure it is never replaced.
What a time to live through even a piece of what is happening.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23 2023 3:12 utc | 101

thanks b… fascinating thread and many quality posts – too many to respond to.. thanks everyone..
@ 99 bevin… i too agree with you on that.. not sure how karlof1 will respond to your overview, but i believe it is realistic one..
@ debs… thanks..

Posted by: james | May 23 2023 3:29 utc | 102

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23 2023 3:12 utc | 102
“It is a rough road that leads to the heights of greatness.” – Seneca

Posted by: lex talionis | May 23 2023 4:07 utc | 103

Here I am near the end of the thread again, with my great or maybe not-so-great comments that no one will read. Maybe B though? That would be cool.
I sent a professor friend some links, consortium news and such, plus Caitlin Johnstone. He declared, whatever he happened to read, that it was too conspiratorial, so I sent him the new Harper’s Ukraine article instead. But really, jumping overboard from the corporate state media (CSM) lands you in a whole sea of conspiracy theories. Some of them are surely true, but which ones? So many to choose from, even at MOA. I have a conspiracy theory of conspiracy theories, that many are propagated specifically to distract and discredit the unbelievers. Sadly, you can’t just believe the opposite, except maybe the Ukrainian casualty numbers. For example, if you think the vaccines were NOT safe, effective, and a social good, which alternative media rabbit hole do you go down, and how far? Clot shots? Genocide death jabs? Lab escape? Chinese bioweapon assault? Ft. Dietrich cover-up? Big pharma money grab (my personal favorite)? It’s vaccines that cause diseases, viruses aren’t real? A local, very effective activist went down that one and likely will never recover his reputation.
So indeed, spread the bullshit so deep and wide that ordinary people either need to cling to the floating island of trash that is CSM (fascist) media or drown.
I am a big fan of Johnstone, not because she and Foley are some kind of deep political theorists (though she’s improved greatly since her early blogs) but because she’s identified this sea of bullshit as THE major challenge to human progress and survival. She writes for a wide audience, not just academics (especially not), like a Patrick Henry for the 21st century.

Posted by: TM | May 23 2023 4:19 utc | 104

Redpilling someone takes many many years. Start slowly and gently. First plant some little seeds – usually with something from the distant past that is no longer debated for example;
Tonkin Gulf
Kuwait Baby Incubators
Sudanese Aspirin Factory
Libyian Viagra Rape Camps
There are other example also:
Sterilizing Negro Women 1920s
Germ Warfare Tests over SF 1950s/60s
It’s vital when Red Pilling to also not fall into the trap of only mentioning evil Democrat or dastardly Republican crimes. Be patient.

Posted by: Exile | May 23 2023 4:47 utc | 105

Sabby Sabs is calling out campaign bullshit in the USA.
Smells like Hilary old team lurking in the background and manipulating campaigns.
Marianne Williamson’s Staff RESIGNS & RFK Jr. Staff ANNOUNCEMENT

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 23 2023 5:22 utc | 106

Below is the title to a piece from The Register about another component of the tools to know what bullshit to construct
FBI abused spy law but only like 280,000 times in a year
America has been taken way over the cliff and bouncing off the walls on the way to oblivion by the global money mafia cult. Will they take all of us with them as they go?

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 23 2023 5:33 utc | 107

I especially hate the leading editors at Guardian, NY Times, Politico, WaPo, and NPR who KNOWINGLY work hand in glove with the CIA and U.S. State Dept hacks like Nuland and Sullivan et al to spread bald faced lies about the Ukraine war, China, Afghanistan, etc. How these assholes can live with themselves, or even look in the mirror in the morning knowing how much death, damage and misinformation they’ve spread to millions is beyond me. “Boy, I sure did a great job writing that article totally turning reality on its head about how the Ukrainians have encircled Bakhmut and victory is immanent!” You really have to be totally morally and ethically bankrupt, to actually get gratification from lying to the public for a living.

Posted by: deschutesmaple | May 23 2023 5:52 utc | 108

Kim Dotcom calls bullshit!

In Bakhmut, a restaurant owner and 60,000 prisoners destroyed an army that NATO had been preparing for nine years. Reminds me of the peasants in sandals who kicked the U.S. out of Afghanistan. The US government spends a trillion dollars a year on an army that can’t win anything. Waste of money!

That’s a good way to describe the Ukraine debacle.
https://t.me/sonar_21/3348

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 23 2023 6:20 utc | 109

re uncle tungsten | May 23 2023 6:20 utc | 110
I’m a bit cynical about dotcom whose sole real preoccupation is dotcom. He really messed up the only genuinely left indigenous people’s political movement by involving in the Mana Party here in Aotearoa/NZ in the hope he could leverage a block to his extradition.
I agree that extradition should have been kyboshed years before but not only did he not get that he screwed up Mana in the process.
He likes to make splashy tweets but some of them are dodgy.
For example in this tweet he claims that Wagner PMC has 60,000 prisoners fighting in Artyomovsk when in fact it had 26,000 fighters all up there in its force, most of whom were not convicts.

Posted by: Debsiddead | May 23 2023 6:43 utc | 110

In response to comment #31 above about “some humans want to be slaves,” there is literally an article out on Vice dot com right now about a 35-year-old married man EMPLOYED AT VICE as a “journalist” who forced ChatGPT to dictate every minute of his life for an entire week.
Opening paragraph is literally “I’m tired of thinking for myself.”
Spoiler alert: his non-slave wife gets pretty angry 🙂

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | May 23 2023 7:07 utc | 111

Proscription – ancient Roman notice – will be needed upon the high, mighty and their shadowy existences, as the final remanent of that Old Empires long dead claws are ultimately removed from their millenia long choke hold upon Humanity.
This means lists, a mirror of their microverts obscenity.
It would feature their current crimes, their historical crimes and their FUTURE crimes.
The last will be the most important because they do what they do now not only because their forefathers did what they did, but for their sons,daughters and dynasties they are promised will forever go on and have a Seat At The Table of the Gods they Serve.
It is only that begetting narratives’ ultimate dissolution that will finally release the true Human Potentials and change Life on Earth for the better. For humanity , for animals, for the environment. For Ever.
The reality of a successful meritocratic progress will be in off earth space bases in a century or two , peopled by representatives of the most populace and successful humans then existing.
They will mostly be African of many ethnicities , followed by Chinese Asians and handfuls of Aryan types, probably mostly represented by some still industrious Slavic types. Of course the odd Aryan type will have retained some semblance of progress and thought that would be useful in that new scientific , technological age….
The rest of us will have been reduced to being mere servants and entertainers and the once mightiest of alls heirs will be the least employable, capable and reliant on existing on their Universal Basic Incomes – happily or unhappily – it won’t matter because they will just be as few as today but with zero power and so a lot less dangerous.
So … who’s collating that list?

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 23 2023 7:32 utc | 112

http://infobrics.org/post/34026/
Interesting blog post adding extra characters to the Biden Crime Family operations in Ukraine with Naftogaz
Amazing how accepting the US public is of the Clinton Crime Family (Mena, Air America, CIA) and the Biden Syndicate……..even allowing them to wage world war to cover it up…….
Then again – Sarkozy got Cameron and Obama to join him in killing Ghadaffi so he would not spill the beans on $20 million given to Sarkozy to fix his election……….
At least Helmut Kohl shredded the documents linking him to kickbacks from Mitterand through Elf-Acquitaine buying the Leuna Refinery and no-one asks questions………except Merkel did blackmail Kohl into letting her take control instead of Schauble

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 23 2023 7:47 utc | 113

Media And Politicians Throw So Much Bullshit At Us That It Is Difficult To See Through It
Yes, my friend, they did the same thing with covid, and fooled many, including you, unfortunately.
And to those who believe the Russian government is at odds with the global agenda, you have also been fooled.
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled, has never been truer, and now dangerously so, alas.

Posted by: Native Thinker | May 23 2023 8:41 utc | 114

Native thinker @ 115
True true I couldn’t agree more.
Except… Do you ever consider that it may be you who were fooled not us.
You may wish and hope your better than us.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 23 2023 9:07 utc | 115

@Mark2 | May 23 2023 9:07 utc | 116
For the Covid-stories Native Thinker is right, for sure. About “…the Russian government is at odds with the global agenda, you have also been fooled.” I am not sure about this.

Posted by: Hausmeister | May 23 2023 9:30 utc | 116

From Youtube comments of Russian channel interviewing Scott Ritter.
TL;DR Four quite beautiful female anchors bombarding Scott with super intelligent questions. Impossible to see or even imagine such conversation would happen on any Western MSM, where Christianne Amanpour alike clones are the norm.
Scott was looking for bridges between the two peoples, but in the end he himself became this bridge.
That guy is, give or take his too optimistic rah-rah views, very valuable.

Posted by: whirlX | May 23 2023 10:09 utc | 117

@bevin | May 23 2023 1:51 utc | 99:
In Russia, “the economy, from the Central Bank to the gigantic resource based corporations, is not under state control. And that the decades of neo-liberalism have corrupted institutions in Russia, just as they have everywhere else, weakening it and hobbling its choices.”
That makes total sense, thank you for highlighting that. Your comments in general are excellent.
As to “conspiracy theories”, they really are non-mainstream narratives that have superior explanatory power in helping to understand the world at large. We are all called to establish the truth as best as we can, and the current disinformation environment does not make this easy. All false narratives, whether MSM or non-mainstream, need to be discerned. Reliable sources of narratives need to be found. MoA has been instrumental for me to make more sense of the world as a whole, and I am grateful for all the sincere contributors (especially if they are also right!)

Posted by: pepa65 | May 23 2023 10:30 utc | 118

Hausmeister @ 116
Thanks for your reply,
I noticed the sweeping statement that was why I reacted. Oversimplified, making a very complex subject too simple. Covid devided us into many groups all with our own entrenched views.
Yet were wrong and fooled but he/she is right. No.
Didn’t recognise the nick name.
Chalk up as bellingcat troll.
Covid ? Don’t go their or we’ll be on it for another 6 months…
Bellingcat would like that.
Cheers and my respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | May 23 2023 10:50 utc | 119

Mark2 @ 115
How I would prefer it to be so, my friend, but all I see is the continuing war against the populations of every country, perpetrated by their bureaucrats, and marching in near lockstep.
Judge them by their actions, against us, everywhere, and not their empty platitudes to satiate grannies who watch tv.

Posted by: Native Thinker | May 23 2023 13:08 utc | 120

Scott was looking for bridges between the two peoples, but in the end he himself became this bridge.
That guy is, give or take his too optimistic rah-rah views, very valuable.
Posted by: whirlX | May 23 2023 10:09 utc | 117
Totally agree. I watched the whole program – thank you for that link. Learnt much about Scott’s background and the reality of the Cold War to him. He was seeking understanding and dialogue, and warning of the consequences if there was not pull back by the USA. He is totally correct, but in my view there is a very narrow path which avoids catastrophe. There can be no quick resolution as the West must economically decline and fragment, and this will take time. In the meantime Russia must hold its nerve and absorb continued provocations and continue defeating Western arms shipments.

Posted by: Marduk | May 23 2023 13:13 utc | 121

There’s been a lot of consolidation in the media industry in recent years, leaving just six big media companies in charge of most of mass media consumption and distribution. Some estimates claim as much as 90% of U.S. media is controlled by just six companies. The big six media companies currently– Comcast, Walt Disney, AT&T, Paramount Global, Sony, Fox. . . .The Motley Fool, Apr 21 . . .here
So State sends out their email every Friday on what the party line is, and any deviations are not allowed. We wind up with all the media parroting the party line, China bad, Russia bad, etc.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 23 2023 14:02 utc | 122

I witness in India that people is still connected to very old folk and family values. It means they act upon a sense that comes not from media, is not an elaboration of media facts. To be cristal clear they keep 1 sense of God, Europeans had (george Sand for instance) till 1850. The first trolls are the lawers who were in cahrge of the american and French Revolutions.
In the countryside people used to decide according to old human beliefs.
There has been a huge unbuilding, tje woke trend exacerbates in incredible
measure.
The absence of old center makes everything moving. Elaborating our value from medias makes us victims of their constant motions.
In 1936 in France the people were gathering on Left value, in big groups, but in 1941 the resistance started on isolated and silent individuals.
Writing (like Giono, Char, D’Astier) permits to keep its iwn sense o things (no borrowed values or beliefs). What bartenders do here, writing and thinking save them from confusion. May be one conscious out of 10.000 is enough. “A man of good holds a whole street” wrote Rousseau.

Posted by: Baile | May 23 2023 15:18 utc | 123

I thought that I should share the third part of that series here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/23/why-the-durham-report-matters-part-3-durham-did-not-touch-the-julian-assange-and-dnc-hack-claim-more-silos/
This isn’t directly related to Ukraine, but the usurpation of Presidential authority by the Deep State bureaucracy has created the crisis in Ukraine. The same techniques of propagandizing the populace that was so effective against President Trump has enabled the current regime with Senile Sock Puppet President Biden as a figurehead to delude many people into believing that the war in the Ukraine is winnable.
BTW, the American news reports this morning that Ukrainian troops have surrendered Russian troops in Artyomovsk and their annihilation is imminent.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 23 2023 18:38 utc | 124

Debsiddead # 6:43 utc | 110
I fully agree with your scepticism of Kimdotcom. Opportunist louse is the term that comes to mind. But I did enjoy his pisstake on the UkraineUKUSA of yet another defeat on the path of the Russian liberation.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 23 2023 21:26 utc | 125

b
‘Media And Politicians Throw So Much Bullshit At Us That It Is Difficult To See Through It’
———————–
From bottom looking up, its all assholes.
From top looking down, its all shitheads.
https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2016/4/20/1461180538692-1447950018766_att00035.jpg
One more time…
Most barflies aint shitheads,
but most gardenists aint barflies !
gardenists = anglo/euro

Posted by: denk | May 24 2023 3:00 utc | 126

A more polite term is “Bovine Scatology.”
General Norman Schwarzkopf explained this term three decades ago.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | May 24 2023 19:15 utc | 127

@ denk 126
Gardenists = anglo/euro
The gardensphere has one very fundamental error, that a human being, of human limitations , has usurped the power of God.
The sheer monstrosity of that fallacy outweighs all.of the other poisoned products the garden factory produces, the lying MSM, the inflation of House prices through banking interest, and continual oppression of and theft from colonial countries.
The head of the snake is this stupid concept that just by disbelieving in God you cancel God, and all that God insists on in human behaviour. The fantasy that news is what you tell the people, and that Commpanies are immune from accountability except to their shareholders and profit.
Denial of God in no way cancels Truth.
Nuclear weaponry is the pinnacle of lack.of accountability, a massive sledge hammer threatening anything or anybody that would puncture the illusion that us garden dwellers don’t have to abide by God’s Rules.
The entire Christian world defines all those that believe in God as Pagans to
garden rules, the totally corrupt system of rape and pillage we call the Rules based order ( which has no Rules.)
One could sum up Christianity, the cancellation of God’s omniscience and substitution of controlled fake narratives, as a massive pile of Stygian shit that the RoW will never be able to clear up. In fact much of RoW want to wallow in it.

Posted by: Giyane | May 25 2023 4:44 utc | 128

Posted by: Giyane | May 25 2023 4:44 utc | 128
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Posted by: denk | May 26 2023 3:02 utc | 129

Asserting that it is all lies, all bad; is no better than asserting that it is all true, all good. It is the two sides of the same depth of thought.

Posted by: Jmaas | May 28 2023 19:08 utc | 130