It's good see that nothing has changed in Amerikas propaganda machine. The wsj is just doing what they're told to do by their puppet masters in the Amerikan govt.

Posted by: jo6pac | May 29 2023 17:15 utc | 1

One cannot be vigilant enough if they want to tune out the noise.

I think that "flooding the zone" is a deliberate strategy to keep people confused and divided.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | May 29 2023 17:21 utc | 2

Good read thank you b, investigative journalism at its best.

“We don't know either but it aptly shows what standards Amnesty International and other such propaganda outlets have when making their sensational claims. None. ”

I lost it with AI back in the mid nineties when the Dalia Lama visited its offices. It was quite eye opening. The entourage and internal senior persons who were planning the next Tibet under the cosh bullshit.

It didn’t take long to start wondering about all the other ‘international’ charities, high profile, media backed, highly paid ‘fundraisers’ and their sudden millions to spend.

Cancelled all my direct debits by 2005. Yup it took that long to realise the truth.

Back in the day there used to be ‘quangos’ they were deemed bad and dismantled. They were replaced by NGO’s.

As I posted in my earlier comment on another thread. Let’s get Real about what we believe about ‘good’ international charities.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 29 2023 17:52 utc | 3

Propaganda has become the art of who can assert a fiction first, and loud enough to give it legs to propagate in our corporate unquestioning media. Confusion is the way to create uncertainty, to then facilitate doubt and then create fear for a single purpose to motivate people politically. Bad China Bad! Hey all, has anyone looked at how the Indigenous in Canada are doing lately?

Posted by: Bill Miner | May 29 2023 18:02 utc | 4

And why do the Wall Street Journal and others, who should have higher standards, publish Amnesty's accusation without ever fact checking them?

One compound word: Keith Rupert Murdoch?

Posted by: William Haught | May 29 2023 18:05 utc | 5

My definition of having egg on one's face implies some sort of public embarrassment, which isn't the case in the two stories related by b. Despite the very laudable efforts of alternative media, such as MOA, challenges to stories like the first one are simply not getting any exposure. The sad reality is that the greater public is constantly exposed to a battering of keywords and concepts and it would take a concerted effort to instill some sense of objectivity. I often compare the propaganda noise to Christmas music. Nobody listens but everyone hears it.

As for the second story, I tend to see it as another example of the way the West bullies third partied into taking public position on Ukraine. More precisely, it has forced the Chinese spokesperson to implicitly distance himself from the notions that:
1. Europe is aligned with the US to its own detriment
2. An end to the conflict is desirable
3. Permanent Russian possession of recently acquired territories would be an acceptable outcome

Posted by: robin | May 29 2023 18:06 utc | 6

I just assume everything the MSM says is a lie, gaslighting and propaganda. Every single word. It works quite well too.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 29 2023 18:11 utc | 7

Not that it matters, since a first-published falsehood becomes truth in the public mind, but has the WSJ published corrections of these stories?

Posted by: silence | May 29 2023 18:12 utc | 8

One sees how WSJ journalists get themselves arrested !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 29 2023 18:34 utc | 9

I just assume everything the MSM says is a lie, gaslighting and propaganda. Every single word. It works quite well too.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 29 2023 18:11 utc | 7

Saves a lot of time too. Even if they are not lying at the moment, you know they would, so you still can't believe it.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 29 2023 18:35 utc | 10

bold to assume they're actually embarrassed. I think the process is pretty clear at this point: push the lie out, wait a few days, issue a retraction on page 12 about how you had an error in last week's news report. You get to lie, everyone believes the lie, then pretend you're impartial and objective by doing the retraction. Only the accusers will point this out and everyone will laugh at them. It won't matter what the real story was, it's too late to change anyone's minds by the time the retraction comes.

Posted by: Obert | May 29 2023 18:53 utc | 11

@Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 29 2023 18:11 utc | 7

Not a bad way to go about your business in these times. I wait for the day we can again trust our leaders and the media. Or was there ever such a time... I don't even know. At least it wasn't this bad before.

Posted by: just somebody | May 29 2023 18:54 utc | 12

Amnesty International was always an arm of the American Empire. For example, they never cared about the torture under Brazilian military rule until the military government in Brazil started to have dangerous ideas about economic development that were contrarian to American colonial interests. If the Brazilian Junta just ceded their oil fields to American companies, and didn't try to develop their electronic, spatial, weapons and nuclear industries, probably they would never have cared about the Brazilian dungeons.

Posted by: Marcos E | May 29 2023 19:09 utc | 13

The people running Amnesty, who earn a pretty penny, will be able to move on to the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA or one of the tax exempt Think Tanks that form the Greek Chorus in our current tragedy- The Death of America's Empire.

But Amnesty itself is now completely finished. It has no credibility left. Even its use as a mouthpiece for MI6 etc is dominished almost to the point of having disappeared. It has gone the way of Encounter and the fools who ended their literary careers prostituting themselves for it.

Posted by: bevin | May 29 2023 19:12 utc | 14

I just posted the comment below on the weekly open thread but I think it goes here as well. It shows why the US wants to bad mouth China to have justification for putting nukes in Cuba...er....Taiwan

ZH has an article up with the title

Taiwan Says It's In Talks On Being Brought Under US Nuclear Umbrella

The quote

Giving such a guarantee to Taiwan would mean the US could use nuclear weapons if China invades the island or if war breaks out by other means. According to the SCMP report:

As Washington and Beijing ramp up their military signaling on Taiwan, the self-ruled island has started to discuss what was once unthinkable – to come under the US nuclear umbrella that has successfully protected Japan, South Korea and Australia for decades.
The debate was set off after Taiwanese Foreign Minister Joseph Wu suggested on Monday that the island had been in talks with the United States on the nuclear umbrella issue.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 29 2023 19:50 utc | 15

Factually.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10071-10096.pdf

https://medium.com/@italian4hk/a-web-of-deceit-b9b8af234077

https://i.imgur.com/xIFc3Us.jpg

Posted by: Surferket | May 29 2023 20:04 utc | 16

I'm sure the US$500 million China bashing fund helps alot.

Posted by: Surferket | May 29 2023 20:07 utc | 17

As a kid growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, I remember this old tabloid called the National Enquirer, from which we hear about sensational stories such as Bat Boy terrorizing some small town somewhere. The stories were so laughable that noöne in their right mind would take them seriously. These days, mainstream news sources like the New York Lies and the Washington Compost have developed very much the same reputation.

Posted by: Lucky Joestar | May 29 2023 20:17 utc | 18

The WSJ has descended to the same trash level as the NYT, WaPo, and New Yorker...There are cheaper ways to line your birdcage...

Posted by: pyrrhus | May 29 2023 20:20 utc | 19

Back in the day, the reactionary rag would never have done anything like this. Now they're owned by Murdock. And like the rest of Murdock's "news" properties, has descended into the gutter.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | May 29 2023 20:42 utc | 20

There was once a time when businessmen realized that the people who controlled the Empire (businessmen) needed accurate information to make intelligent executive decisions in the day-to-day running of the Empire. The WSJ was one of the reliable sources for this accurate information. Sure, the articles were coded in businessman (thieves) cant, and were obviously slanted towards helping businessmen rape the Imperial homelands and territories, but they were accurate.

There are no longer such "capitalist tools" anymore. The unhinged delusion in western journalism presstitution has left the oligarchs and their strategists completely unequipped to effectively run the Empire, which is why the Empire has so spectacularly gone off the rails.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 29 2023 20:59 utc | 21

The old Amnesty International, the Human Rights Organisation that would critique Governments for Human Rights abuses, has died long ago.
Not sure what happens, whether there was a hostile takeover by Western Governments, or whether some smart MVAs discovered there is tons of money to be made by selling the reputation for profit.
Still, for me, Amnesty list all credibility when they supported the US governments use of chemical (phosphorus) weapons in Mosul " unless it is absolutely necessary to achieve military objectives" https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2016/10/iraq-use-of-white-phosphorus-munitions-puts-civilians-at-grave-risk/
Amnesty thinks that using chemical weapons is ok as long as it's necessary! Despite knowing, and writing in the same statement that "“White phosphorus can cause horrific injuries, burning deep into the muscle and bone. It is possible that some of it will only partially burn and could then reignite weeks after being deployed,” said Donatella Rovera, Senior Crisis Response Adviser at Amnesty International.

“This means that civilians who flee the fighting around Mosul or residents returning to check on their homes in Karemlesh in the coming days or weeks would be at risk of serious harm even though there may be few visible warning signs.”"

Their report on Ukrainian war crimes was no better: after first reporting (correctly) that the Ukrainian army hides it's weapons, soldiers, artillery positions in civilian buildings while civilians are still present - a war crime under the Geneva convention - they started back pedalling the minute they were attacked for "supporting Putin" by the Ukrainian war criminals and their NATO backers. The story is dead, thanks to Amnesty caving in despite the facts are not disputed!
But then, what can you expect from an Organisation that abandons one of it's most elementary rules established to prevent government meddling: the local Amnesty branch must not get involved! Never!
When Amnesty International was about protecting Human Rights, they would never put Amnesty Ukraine in charge of protecting Human Rights in Ukraine. To prevent exactly what is happening now: instead of fighting for Human Rights, Amnesty International fights for the Rights of Wolodomir Slensky, his Government and it's NATO backers. Fuck Human Rights, Ukraine must win, and Putin must lose.
A worthy cause, maybe. But who stands up for the Rights of victims of the Ukrainian Government? Not Amnesty International, so much is clear.

Posted by: Marvin | May 29 2023 21:01 utc | 22

At least the silver lining in this particular Western MSM storm cloud is that AI and the Murdoch press are leaving the Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai in peace. Likewise, A Abudureheman will have to try to sit out the media storm over his non-appearance at Hong Kong airport.

AI is now no more than just a media outlet itself, if it ever aspired to being a genuine activist organisation fighting for humanitarian issues.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | May 29 2023 21:07 utc | 23

I receive a "Meanwhile in China" email every week. It's always negative on China, no matter how petty.

The most recent:
>Beijing says it wants peace in Ukraine, but is it only on Moscow’s terms?
>The military has become an untouchable nationalist symbol. Artists and comedians are finding out the hard way.
>This 15-mile, $6.7B bridge is a symbol of Beijing's ambitions, and its problems
>G7 leaders gather on Beijing’s doorstep to seek unified response to its threat
>American jailed for spying is a veteran pro-Beijing advocate who rubbed shoulders with senior Chinese officials
>Sexual harassment debate breathes new life into #MeToo movement
>Former NBA star Dwight Howard sparks Chinese nationalist wrath after calling Taiwan a 'country'
>After 1,000 days in detention, family renews call for release of Australian TV anchor Cheng Lei

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 21:16 utc | 24

"Taiwan Says It's In Talks On Being Brought Under US Nuclear Umbrella"
@ psychohistorian | May 29 2023 19:50 utc | 17

It's probably time for China to return the favor and start talks with Russia so as to be put under Russia's nuclear umbrella--not to mention providing some ICBM missile technology to certain other countries that are also on America's hitlist.

Posted by: ak74 | May 29 2023 21:19 utc | 25

That is some egg in the face of the WSJ editors. China bashing in the opinion sections is fine. But fake news, twice in one week, to make some editorial point, is not something that readers are willing to pay for.
Posted by b on May 29, 2023 at 17:09 UTC | Permalink
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Reading wsj on Ukraine easily surpasses that mark both in the 'news' section as well as the editorial page.

I have been banned from commenting two years in a row. I pay them $4 a week and every other week I might take a look at something.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | May 29 2023 21:25 utc | 26

@ 17
re: Taiwan Says It's In Talks On Being Brought Under US Nuclear Umbrella

from State, dejur:
The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means. . . .here

defacto, it's -- we do support Taiwan independence, and we are arming Taiwan to maintain it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 21:30 utc | 27

China's Relations with Central Asian States and Problems with Terrorism - 2001/2002

This report provides an overview of the Muslim separatist movement in China's north-western Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region, China's attempts to stifle activities which it considers terrorism, and implications for U.S. policy. Some analysts suggest that the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism may make it difficult to pressure the Chinese government on human rights and religious freedoms, particularly as they relate to Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.

Posted by: Oui | May 29 2023 21:34 utc | 28

To root out jihadist terror, China adopted the Israel option after 9/11 … made a study in depth.

In case anyone (who can read Chinese) is curious about the way policing theorists in Xinjiang strove to model their treatment of the Uyghurs on the "successes" of Israeli treatment of Palestinians, I suggest you start with this article.

Posted by: Oui | May 29 2023 21:35 utc | 29

The Dzungar Khanate, also written as the Zunghar Khanate, was an Inner Asian khanate of Oirat Mongolorigin. At its greatest extent, it covered an area from southern Siberia in the north to present-day Kyrgyzstan in the south, and from the Great Wall of China in the east to present-day Kazakhstan in the west. The core of the Dzungar Khanate is today part of northern Xinjiang, also called Dzungaria.

Uyghur Freedom Fighters and Kunduz Mosque Attack | Oct. 10, 2021 |

At least 100 people killed in a suicide attack inside Shia mosque in #Kunduz, northern #Afghanistan

Posted by: Oui | May 29 2023 21:37 utc | 30

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Russia is going to make a move while everybody else thinks Ukraine will attack first.

Listening to Weeb union and Dima they are saying Russia have moved a lot of attacking units to the front not defensive ones.

3 months from the time of the announcement of the call up always seemed a bit optimistic for a couple of reasons. Never done it for decades and the deficit spending on the Russian military all things considered over the years has been quite small.

Over 6 months from the time of the announcement of the call up seems a lot more realistic all things considered. Training, getting them used to battle and giving them more time to get the equipment they needed. After ramping up deficit spending on the military.

Russia is going to really start pushing along the Western front. If Ukraine attack down South my guess is the plan is to grab onto them and hold them there. While Russia pushes Westwards and then pivots South to surround them.

Which looks quite clear on the map when you see it.

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=p34bGIptWTw&pp=ygUKV2VlYiB1bmlvbg%3D%3D

My guess is the winter grind is coming to an end. Things are really going to start get going soon. The increased bombing activity over the last 10 days wasn't about bombing the back lines of the Ukrainians to stop their offensive. That it was more about what Russia plans to do next.

Posted by: Derek Henry | May 29 2023 21:42 utc | 31

@ Oui | May 29 2023 21:34 utc | 32
re: "Some analysts suggest that the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism may make it difficult to pressure the Chinese government "

Why?
US-supported terrorism in Xinjiang
. . .from TheGrayZone--

. . .At the heart of this movement is the World Uyghur Congress (WUC), an international Uyghur organization that claims to be engaged in a “peaceful, nonviolent, and democratic” struggle for “human rights.” The WUC considers China’s northwestern Xinjiang region to be East Turkestan, and sees its Uyghur Muslim inhabitants not as Chinese citizens but instead as members of a pan-Turkic nation stretching from Central Asia to Turkey.
As this investigation establishes, the WUC is not a grassroots movement, but a US government-backed umbrella for several Washington-based outfits that also rely heavily on US funding and direction. Today, it is the main face and voice of a separatist operation dedicated to destabilizing the Xinjiang region of China and ultimately toppling the Chinese government.

Headquartered in Munich, Germany, the WUC is an international umbrella organization with a network of 33 affiliates in 18 countries around the world. The WUC and its affiliates — particularly the Uyghur American Association, Uyghur Human Rights Project, and Campaign for Uyghurs — are cited in nearly every Western media report on China’s Uyghur Muslims.

From its inception, the WUC has been backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). With millions in US taxpayer money, the NED and its subsidiaries have backed opposition parties, “civil society” groups, and media organizations in countries targeted by the US for regime change. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 21:54 utc | 32

Recall 1989 Tiananmen incident in China? Lone protester forced a tank column to stop? He was not rin-over!

Recall 1987 Concord Naval Weapons depot incident Vietnam War protesters on RR tracks to block trainload of munitions to VN? Protesters warned officials they would block train. Loco engineer proceded 17 mph and did not slow down Later claimed he was ordered not to stop. Retirned VN combat vet Capt. Brian Willson protesting the war run-over. Lost both legs and much more, but survived.

Americans are not educated. We are schooled with pap and entertained with distractions...then told how smart we are.

Posted by: chu teh | May 29 2023 22:01 utc | 33

...from Global Times......good cop
Chinese mainland to promote peaceful exchange with Taiwan compatriots in more effective, precise way

The Chinese mainland still strives for peaceful reunification with utmost sincerity and greatest efforts, even though the secessionist authorities on the island and foreign interference are disappointing the public in the mainland on peaceful exchanges and cooperation. Experts said on Sunday that in the future, the mainland will share the benefits of development with more Taiwan compatriots and in a more precise way, to more effectively promote people on the island to be aware of the benefits of reunification.
The Graduate Institute for Taiwan Studies of Xiamen University held an academic activity on Sunday in Xiamen, Southeast China's Fujian Province with the theme "Face-to-Face Talks Between Scholars From the Two Sides of the Taiwan Straits."
Experts from the mainland and Taiwan talked about how to promote cross-Straits peaceful exchanges and cooperation and to forge closer bonds between the people of the two sides when cross-Straits ties have been damaged badly by the secessionist authorities and groups on the island, as well as the external forces who try to interrupt China's reunification process. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 22:08 utc | 34

@Derek Henry 35, 37
This is a China thread.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 22:09 utc | 35

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 29 2023 22:09 utc | 40

" @Derek Henry 35, 37
This is a China thread"

Oops..

WSJ is a mile wide an an inch deep. Never read it and will certainly never cherry pick from it, if one day it massages my confirmation bias. Garbage in garbage out.

Posted by: Derek Henry | May 29 2023 22:26 utc | 36

should have higher standards

since when? the WSJ has always been a plutocrat rag and the people who read it don't care if the news is "fake" or not. if they did it would be lining the dustbin of history along with the NYT and WaPo. or did someone get suddenly held to account over russiagate or 2008 or crypto/NFTs while i was in the shower?

not to sound like a broken record, but: anyone who still uses legacy media sources and takes them seriously is waaaaaaaay too far gone to waste time on.

Posted by: the pair | May 29 2023 23:43 utc | 37

WSJ is probably using ChatGPT.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 30 2023 0:16 utc | 38

B, I think the point is being missed.
These stories are just two bits of thread in the web of lies being constantly spun. It matters not at all that the WSJ got it entirely wrong. Getting it right was never their intention in the first place
This is how propaganda works and how hundreds of million people in the West are lied to and kept deluded and in grooming them in preparation for war with China.

Posted by: Moses22 | May 30 2023 0:21 utc | 39

@ Tom_Q_Collins | May 30 2023 0:16 utc | 43

WSJ is probably using ChatGPT.

Yup. Disconnected from the web since 2021.

Posted by: whirlX | May 30 2023 0:37 utc | 40

@AK74 @ 29

"It's probably time for China to return the favor and start talks with Russia so as to be put under Russia's nuclear umbrella--not to mention providing some ICBM missile technology to certain other countries that are also on America's hitlist."

It certainly wouldn't hurt, and I believe the defense alliance between the two already implies a direct attack on one obligates the other to consider response in support. But China is already the fourth-largest nuclear-weapons power, and it apparently doesn't like being fourth.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230426-china-pushes-largest-ever-expansion-of-nuclear-arsenal

China expects to have tripled its nuclear weapons arsenal by 2035. Mind you, that estimate comes from the Pentagon, so you can assume it's inaccurate. The trouble is, are they lying on the high side or the low side? The high side is the way to go to wring more defense-budget dollars out of the government, which wants to spend that money anyway, so it's a relatively easy sell. On the low side reassures the public; don't ask me why, because it would take only a half-dozen or so to make it all the way to the target.

The west will not take 'yes' for an answer, and a state of peaceful accord is anathema to its leaders. If the world appears to be getting along, then you must be the last to know there is a plot against you, and you must straightaway start making enemies.

Posted by: Mark | May 30 2023 1:11 utc | 41

I just assume everything the MSM says is a lie, gaslighting and propaganda. Every single word. It works quite well too.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | May 29 2023 18:11 utc | 7

Yes it does!   I also follow this rule: politicians begin to lie when their lips start moving.   Let's say I haven't been disappointed.

Posted by: Ian2 | May 30 2023 2:11 utc | 42

. . .from SCMP
US says China refused meeting of defence chief Li Shangfu and Pentagon head Lloyd Austin
The US had proposed that the two officials meet at the Shangri-La Dialogue that is set to take place in Singapore

The Chinese government declined an invitation from the US for a meeting between the top military leaders of the two countries that would have taken place in Singapore this week, the Pentagon announced on Monday.
“Overnight, the PRC informed the US that they have declined our early May invitation” for Austin to meet Li at the event, which is set to take place from June 2 to June 4 in Singapore, Pentagon spokesman Brigadier General Pat Ryder announced during the US’s Memorial Day holiday.
“The PRC’s concerning unwillingness to engage in meaningful military-to-military discussions will not diminish (the Defence Department’s) commitment to seeking open lines of communication with the People’s Liberation Army,” Ryder said.
The reported rejection appears to confirm expectations by analysts that Li would not meet with his US counterpart as long as he remained sanctioned by Washington.
Li was targeted by Washington in 2018 for violating US sanctions by allegedly helping to transfer Su-35 fighter jets and S-400 air-defence missile systems to China from Russia. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 30 2023 2:48 utc | 43

"The wsj is just doing what they're told to do by their puppet masters in the Amerikan govt. "

jo6pac | May 29 2023 17:15 utc | 1

The WSJ was ahead of everyone in glorifying the funding and financing of self-proclaimed Nazi battalions (including the Azov and Aidar Battalions) by Mr. Kolomojsky, the then President of the Jewish Community of Ukraine.
The Nazification of Ukraine has been dear to the hearts of the WSJ editors for almost ten years. https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-secret-weapon-feisty-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky-1403886665
The fiesty Mr. Kolomojsky calls himself Judeo-Banderite.

Posted by: Cerena | May 30 2023 3:13 utc | 44

What I've learned in my years of living in the matrix, is there's nothing you can believe from the Meme Scream Media or anything that emanates from the Empire. Whatever they say, if you assume the opposite, you'll be right more than not.
In other news, in the land of Mordor, with the baleful eye of Sauron looking on, we mere hobbits cringe at the Evil that pervades our realm.
Derek Henry, thanks for responding. I was trained as an accountant yests ago. My professor taught us how to spot fraud, double books and things. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the fuck is going on with today's financial scene. Mostly shenanigans, I expect. Anyway, cheers and thanks b, for this forum.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 30 2023 3:18 utc | 45

@JustAMaverick | May 29 2023 18:11 utc | 7

Why grant the OMM (oligarch Managed Media) the title of MSM? We are the main stream, and the fact that the OMM target us, the main stream, with never ending sewers of propaganda, does not make them the "main stream". Calling them the main stream media grants to them an authority and gravitas not merely unearned by wholely absent from their role.

Posted by: Hermit | May 30 2023 5:37 utc | 46

We call upon the people
The people have this power
The numbers don't decide
The system is a lie

(Radiohead: The Numbers)

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 30 2023 6:14 utc | 47

Derek Henry, thanks for responding. I was trained as an accountant yests ago. My professor taught us how to spot fraud, double books and things. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the fuck is going on with today's financial scene. Mostly shenanigans, I expect. Anyway, cheers and thanks b, for this forum.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 30 2023 3:18 utc | 45

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Derek posted a couple of links a while back to the only coherent description anywhere of the way the central bank operates. Belated thanks Derek.

Posted by: Tim | May 30 2023 6:17 utc | 48

So according to B & co Xinjiang is a paradise for the local Uygurs, a bit like Tibet is for the locals there: ha,ha,ha.
I find the fairy tales of Grimm more plausible for Germany than this.

Stop writing China when it is actually the CCP: they dominate their territory by far the most total of any other nation elite.

Posted by: Antonym | May 30 2023 6:38 utc | 49

Below is the latest lie about China from Reuters

Small investors are souring on China's recovery

The last great hope for China's faltering post-pandemic rally is fading as the nation's legion of small-time investors turns bearish on equities to double down instead on safer assets amid a stuttering economic recovery.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 30 2023 6:40 utc | 50

Posted by: Antonym | May 30 2023 6:38 utc | 49

It's closer to paradise than the hell Indians have created for Muslims in Kashmir.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 30 2023 7:06 utc | 51

Posted by: Antonym | May 30 2023 6:38 utc | 49

Stop writing China when it is actually the CCP

China is the CCP.

The CCP is more democratically representative of China than the US Congress is of the American people.

Moreover, without the CCP, China would be a festering hellhole, just as the West would like it to be.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 30 2023 7:10 utc | 52

But fake news, twice in one week, to make some editorial point, is not something that readers are willing to pay for.
Posted by b on May 29, 2023 at 17:09 UTC

Don't worry about "readers". Somebody will pay.
AI or HRW or BCats are just the first reference needed to build a circular reasonning.

Since May 28, all the french MSM are based on WSJ ( "Notre estimé confrère...."). In other words, that can't be false, it was printed in WSJ.

China can't be a reliable broker...
China supports Putin...
Russia's bad, so is necessary China...
Prepare for War....

They don't even nead "readers". It's just the making of a world of circularity. Building usefull circular references to hide circular reasonning
it is not necessarily so that a circular reference is of no use

there is no reason to accept the premises unless one already believes the conclusion, or that the premises provide no independent ground or evidence for the conclusion.
Circular reasoning is closely related to begging the question, and in modern usage the two generally refer to the same thing.
Circular reasoning is often of the form: "A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true."

Circularity can be difficult to detect if it involves a longer chain of propositions.

Posted by: La Bastille | May 30 2023 7:12 utc | 53

Posted by: La Bastille | May 30 2023 7:12 utc | 53

They don't even nead "readers". It's just the making of a world of circularity.

Sounds like a job for chatgpt...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 30 2023 7:16 utc | 54

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French print media receives Government subsidies in France, Sweden and several other EU countries. In Germany the Government has journalists and broadcasters on secret payroll.

In UK much the same - funnily enough when someone commented on Amnesty International I did some reading and discovered the founder quit in 1966 having suspected British Intelligence operatives in key positions..........ironically the IRA man Sean McBride who ran the place later had been a GRU agent - but later received CIA largesse

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 30 2023 8:17 utc | 55

It is about time such deliberately fraudulent misinformation was criminalised with minimum 3 years jail for both NGOs and those pretending to be "journalists", where they cannot conclusively prove due diligence. The criminalisation should apply jointly and severally to both perpetrators, their bosses/editors, and employing organisation.

Such fraudulent misinformation is an intrinsic part of regime-change operations, which can cause DEATHS - naive victims deceived into protesting based on deliberate misinformation, innocent bystanders, and innocent victims who are deliberately targeted.

Where regime-change operators deliberately plan activities that they intended to lead to deaths of protestors (the Hong Kong riots, for example), punishment should be commensurate with that for premeditated murder.

Posted by: BM | May 30 2023 9:17 utc | 56

Derek Henry, thanks for responding. I was trained as an accountant yests ago. My professor taught us how to spot fraud, double books and things. For the life of me, I can't figure out what the fuck is going on with today's financial scene. Mostly shenanigans, I expect. Anyway, cheers and thanks b, for this forum.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 30 2023 3:18 utc | 45

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Derek posted a couple of links a while back to the only coherent description anywhere of the way the central bank operates. Belated thanks Derek.

Posted by: Tim | May 30 2023 6:17 utc | 48

Guys, you are very, very, welcome. That's why we are all here to cut right through the bull shit. To learn from each other. Debating is healthy.

There's no ideology or politics in balance sheets it is just assets and liabilities. That reveal the truth and how things really work.

Posted by: Derek Henry | May 30 2023 9:19 utc | 57

Article in Die Welt by former German Ambassador to Moscow - Ruediger von Fritsch.

I am astounded that Germany could appoint a relative of the Head of the Heer under Hitler as Ambassador

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_von_Fritsch

especially as he was killed in 1939 during the invasion of Warsaw !!!

It is beyond belief that Germany could engage in such provocative behaviour - I believe he was also in the German Embassy in Warsaw !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 30 2023 9:22 utc | 58

Immaculate deception:

You probably already know this. If not give it a try.

It's just debits and credits

https://new-wayland.com/blog/its-just-debits-and-credits/

Why mainstream macro can't see it:

https://new-wayland.com/blog/why-economists-cant-see-mmt/

Hope that helps...

Posted by: Derek Henry | May 30 2023 9:44 utc | 59

THEY DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO CONTACT THE SAID INDIVIDUAL BEFORE ATTACKING A SOVEREIGN STATE. A STATE THAT HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY SMEARED.
this is the level of credibility of so called human rights organizations in the west

Posted by: A.z | May 30 2023 12:10 utc | 60

100 year old eggs

Posted by: Giyane | May 30 2023 12:12 utc | 61

when your a international intelligence agency cover ioeration, with the prerequisite intell actors within the media complex organ of said intell agency, then you basicaly have the tools to do anything, create anything, lie and obsfucate, develop entire false narratives out of any and all whole cloth, your overlords who control everything already, desire to be created in irder to maintain control over the world.
There then everything we are allowed to see and percieve is generally exactly what we are permitted, or not, and everything, everything we are told to believe is a lie.
Indeed.
Furthermore, the creation of confusion and contradictory perceptions is an integral componant of this intelligence agency, which runs free across our planet, unchecked, arbitrary to any concept of law natural and manmade, keeping everyone intentionaly confused and misdirected is an essential element of mass intelligence and surveillance of everyone.

None of these actirs are andwerable to any thing notmal in the sphere of our lives, they are all part and parcel of the dark criminal elite masters and money changers who have controlled everything for eons, whole bloodlines who have reigned over civilization. It certainly appears if the circular hostory of these overlords is an indication, are facing maybe for the first time threats existential to their power and existance, if anything sbout this is true, we are about to see the underpinnings of life on this world altered beyond our current conceptions and beliefs.
Something totally fundamental has been changed in their world, we sre getting closer every day to finding out what has taken place, but for now the only clues are things we can not readily see have changed dramaticaly, it is the effects of causes and consequences which we see.
And we will see. Because something is in the air and it does not look goid for those who believe they rule with impunity over us all. Just look how many public figures just quietly are no longer among us, look at all the untoforeseen new influnece agents and pundents we have never seen before telling us what to believe these days. Somethings up. Something Big.

Posted by: mtnforge | May 30 2023 13:20 utc | 62

Circular reasoning
Posted by: La Bastille | May 30 2023 7:12 utc | 53

Vinay Lal demonstrates this sort of logical fallacy by tracing uh generative language of the "Black Hole of Calcutta". Rather than reveal the specific lecture, I encourage MoA patrons to listen to History of British India in its entirety. Before succumbing to another fit of ill-informed "geopolitical analysis" of contemporary "political economy" formed by an abrupt partition of the sub-continent, you will then be able to answer Lal's question: "What is it you suppose that made it possible for the British to rule India for so long?" (1601-1947).

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2023 13:31 utc | 63

Posted by: the pair | May 29 2023 23:43 utc | 37

The MSM rarely lies openly, unless in time of war - as now.

Instead they rely on those two well tried methods, suppressing the truth ('suppressio veri' as the ancients knew it) and suggesting falsehood ('suggestio falsi').

Our controlled media feeds lots of "see the bumbling Russians run from Ukraine missile strikes!" stories day after day, so Mr Normie thinks Ukraine are winning. Repeating "Russia's unprovoked invasion" in every news story. That's suggestio falsi.

They also rigorously suppress stories about Ukrainian atrocities, what happened to Donbass 2014-2022, what happens to pro-Russians or even Russian speakers in Ukraine, the attacks on Orthodox churches and Ukrainian defeats. Suppressio veri. This goes as far as banning Russia Today and Sputnik from both TV and even the internet. I have to use the Brave TOR option to see RT from the UK, though for some reason TASS isn't blocked.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 30 2023 13:38 utc | 64

Circularity can be difficult to detect if it involves a longer chain of propositions.

Posted by: La Bastille | May 30 2023 7:12 utc | 53
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That is exact the point of pulbishing this type of bold-faced lies and mis/disinformation to smear China ("authoritarian commie regime with no regard of human rights", blah, blah) in the mind of average Joe to pre-condition the normal people in the Western to willling support a war with China.

Thanks to b, readers of this website come to realise just how debased the Western MSM, Amnesty International & Co really are! They are just popaganda tools for destruction.

Posted by: lulu | May 30 2023 13:44 utc | 65

Craig Murray sheds some insight on the peculiar spectacle of, a rapidly shrinking, Britain puring weaponry into Ukraine, screeching insults at China and generally insisting that, appearances notwithstanding, it leads the world in vicious and silly policies.

"...the UK is hated. Lots of countries would like to see it broken up....

"....the UK’s reaction to this isolation was a series of increasingly wild moves to try to gain relevance.

"The UK was out in front in declaring China a threat and an enemy, which FCO professionals view as neither justified nor of obvious benefit. The UK is indulging in peculiar, and almost entirely unprovoked, military threat towards China with its declared US/UK/Australian alliance and extraordinary reorientation of UK defence strategy to the Pacific.

"As if the UK has any ability whatsoever to constrain China’s growing world pre-eminence.

"On Ukraine, too, the UK sought to be noticed, by trying to be the most “out there” country in promoting the war, wanting to be the always the first to push the next weapons escalation, with depleted uranium shells, with long range missiles, with battle tanks.

"It all amounted to a policy of shouting “Me, me, me” loudest, with zero substance behind it...."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/05/missing-the-soprano/

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 13:52 utc | 66

Where regime-change operators deliberately plan activities that they intended to lead to deaths of protestors (the Hong Kong riots, for example), punishment should be commensurate with that for premeditated murder.

Posted by: BM | May 30 2023 9:17 utc | 56

Yes, I have always found the idea that "free speech" means being able to lie to everybody in harmful ways with impunity to be a recipe for social disfunction, and boy does the USA make that case.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 30 2023 14:00 utc | 67

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 13:52 utc | 66

Last competent British Foreign Secretary was Douglas Hurd but then again he was a diplomat........because of him John Major steered well clear of Serbia/Kosovo until the hubristic neophyte Blair stormed in like the 1906 Liberal Government with a big majority hell-bent on reversing British foreign policy of steering clear of European factionalism

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 30 2023 14:04 utc | 68

Just in case anyone did not know, Allan MacLeod, looks at Tik Tok:

"..For all the talk of digital influence operations emanating from Russia or other U.S. adversaries, the United States is surely the worst offender when it comes to manipulating public opinion online. It is known, for instance, that the Department of Defense employs an army of at least 60,000 people whose job is to influence the public sphere, most of whom serve as “keyboard warriors” and trolls aiming to promote U.S. government or military interests..."

https://www.mintpressnews.com/tiktok-chinese-trojan-horse-run-by-state-department-officials/284353/

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 14:07 utc | 69

@ bevin | May 30 2023 13:52 utc | 66
re: . . .military threat towards China with its declared US/UK/Australian alliance

Australia is easing up on China, in contrast to the US & UK.

from Bloomberg, May 11:
China, Australia Trade Ministers Have ‘Candid’ Talks in Beijing
Meeting was the first in-person trade talks since 2019
Australia aiming to remove barriers on agricultural exports

from VOA, May 11
Sydney — Australian Trade Minister Don Farrell arrives in Beijing Thursday to urge China to ease sweeping import restrictions.
Human rights and national security disputes prompted China to impose trade strikes on a range of Australian exports in 2020. Farrell will ask China to lift those sanctions on billions of dollars of imports from Australia.

from AlJazeera, May 4:
Australia’s exports to China hit record highs as barriers ease
Exports of Australian goods to China hit $12.71bn in March, up nearly one-third from year earlier
Australia’s exports to China surged to record highs in March as the Asian giant sucked in more iron for its steel industry and lowered barriers to thermal coal shipments amid thawing diplomatic relations.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 30 2023 14:12 utc | 70

The MSM rarely lies openly
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | May 30 2023 13:38 utc | 64

That's not a true statement. Ask yourself, "SELF, when is the last time that the free democratic press published either a bill number or title reference for independent review of reported of content—summarily presentd as "take-aways," opinions of persons "familiar with the matter," or GRAPHIC data visualization of appropriations?

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2023 14:16 utc | 71

Bemildred@67
Fee speech for individuals engaged in public discussion or debate is one thing. Publicly funded, governmental campaigns of mendacity are another and those involved in carrying them out should be subject to ounishment.
In law they are but they act with impunity, with, it would seem, the approval of a general public that doesn't mind being lied to, misled and manipulated.

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 14:22 utc | 72

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 30 2023 14:12 utc | 70

I don't know about that. Albanese and Penny Wong enjoy a deep back bench.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2023 14:22 utc | 73

@ 66
re: the US military threat to China--

. . .from Responsible Statecraft
Since Nixon ended the draft after the disastrous Vietnam war and the Army was in shambles trying to get young men to enlist, this is a damning insight. But it may not be far off the mark, as the Army experienced a shortfall of 25 percent in enlistments in the last fiscal year, and the other forces — Marines, Navy and Air Force — barely made their quotas. By all reports, it’s supposed to be worse this year.//

The Pentagon is relying more on citizen-soldiers, with activated National Guard units present in several countries including Ukraine (past) and Syria.

There are more women in the US military, leading to "parental leave." from the Pentagon:
The expansion provides parental leave to Active and Reserve component Service members (on active duty for 12 months or more) who have given birth, adopted a Child or had a Child placed for adoption or long-term foster care with them. Birth parents will be granted 12 weeks of parental leave following a period of convalescent leave and non-birth parents will be granted 12 weeks of leave following the birth of their Child. Adoptive parents and eligible foster parents will also be granted 12 weeks of parental leave. The MPLP is designed to allow members to care for their Children while balancing the needs of their unit.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 30 2023 14:25 utc | 74

Paul Greenwood, the Foreign Secretary that the Foreign Office staff loved-though I do say so myself- was Ernie Bevin.
And none liked him more than the most fervent Tories for whom he represented, that fabulous creature from the privileged childhood, the paternal butler or perhaps even Head Gardener, honest, kind and understanding.
George Brown, another Transport and General product, was almost equally approved of.

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 14:28 utc | 75

Amnesty International was always an arm of the American Empire.
Posted by: Marcos E | May 29 2023 19:09 utc | 13

Has this realization affected your appreciation for Peace Corp deployment since 1961?

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2023 14:29 utc | 76

bevin @66

Thanks for posting the link and those excerpts! I think Murray is being a bit disingenuous here. In Canada, the most oft referenced action by the UK is their intent to join the CPTPP (or whatever the exact new moniker is for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, Canada conveniently providing the Atlantic-Pacific link, no pressure). I think the UK is motivated by economic, not foreign policy, considerations, but must package its moves into the Pacific region very specifically in order to get past… well, the dominant player there. Remember when that arrest of Meng Wanzhou forced Trudeau to appoint Dominic Barton (LSE grad, former leader of McKinsey) as ambassador to China??

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 30 2023 14:32 utc | 77

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2023 14:22 utc | 72

Yes. It all starts with corruption in the courts, resulting in impunity for the select. The current court is as bad as any we've had here. We have laws about fraud on the books, among other things, but only petty criminals are ever held to account. Big time liars are glorified. They get to be President.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 30 2023 14:34 utc | 78

UK openly says that British are bringing war to Putin's doorstep and Russia has been sitting letting England run the war and propaganda against Russia with no danger of counterattack to English pirates
Shame on Lazy Russians and on Putin

Posted by: Sam | May 30 2023 15:01 utc | 79

@ Archie Bunker | 51

Can the CCP hold a next G20 meet in Xinjiang like India just did in Kashmir? Others might get a glimpse of that paradise such.

Does Xinjiang have long easy borders with a Jihadi sponsoring state like India has with Pakistan? No, still repression is 99%.
Don't believe CNN but neither believe CCTV.

Posted by: Antonym | May 30 2023 15:26 utc | 80

@ Sam 79

Oh my God, hypocrisy in the British Governent! Does the world know this shocking news? Britain doesn't rule the waves any more, are slaves, are liars, and are occupying the lowest of the lowest low ground alongside Nazis, terrorists, and Zionists.

And worse still , after being forced by Russia to eat their own vomit of supporting Islamist terror in Libya and Syria, they are just about to be forced to eat their own vomit and admit to supporting, sympathising and actually being Nazis themselves in Ukraine.

All very embarrassing to be sure.

Posted by: Giyane | May 30 2023 15:31 utc | 81

CPTPP (or whatever the exact new moniker is for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, Canada conveniently providing the Atlantic-Pacific link, no pressure). I think the UK is motivated by economic, not foreign policy, considerations, but must package its moves into the Pacific region very specifically in order to get past… well, the dominant player there.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 30 2023 14:32 utc | 77

CP-TPP (2018 FTA): AU, BN, CA, CL (2022), JP, MY (2022), MX, NZ, PE (2021), SG, VN, UK (2023), CN*, CN-tw*, EC*, UY*, TH*, CR*, PH*, KR*

Yes. CP-TPP is the successor of the TPP from which Don Cheeto withdrew. AU took over shopkeeping—what with all the "global Britain" disturbance, not least of which UK withdrawal from EU delegation at WTO— generated by BREXIT. Between 2021 (end of "transition period") and 2023, Her Majesty's Crown in Parliament hastened to replace EU market power with bi-lateral trade agreements with former third-countries and, failing that, petition for voting membership in (if not Commonwealth domination of) oriental regional bodies such as ASEAN (1967 FTA)...

• UK Joins ASEAN as Dialogue Partner, Looking at Joining CPTPP Asia-Pacific Free Trade Agreement;
• ASEAN-UK Dialogue Partnership: plan of action 2022 to 2026; and
• ASEAN, UK reaffirm commitment to strengthen dialogue partnership

... said by INDOPACOM planners to be held hostage by CHINA's "sphere of influence".

In March of this year, UK presses announced infiltration of CP-TPP with some dubious embellishment to the UK's purposes and anticipated value-added to the north Atlantic island's "strategic autonomy".
UK joins Asia-Pacific CPTPP trade bloc that includes Japan and Australia

The government said the deal, which will cut tariffs on exports of food, drink, and cars, would generate £1.8bn of extra income once it had been up and running for 10 years, which is about 0.08% of the UK's annual gross national product (GDP). Unions condemned clauses in the deal that will allow large companies to sue the UK government behind closed doors if they believe their profits have suffered from changes to laws or regulations.
[...]
As the first non-founding member [FALSE] of the bloc, the UK is expected to set the template for other applicants to join, including Costa Rica and Uruguay. China, which applied to become a member in 2021, several months after the UK, is likely to face significant pushback from members, including the UK, that will argue Beijing should be blocked unless it complies with existing [LOL!] international trade rules. The trade secretary, Kemi Badenoch, said the deal reflected newly acquired "post-Brexit freedoms to reach out to new markets around the world and grow our economy".

The U.K.'s membership, cleared in principle Thursday night, means it will have a vote on whether new applicants should be able to join. China launched a formal bid to join CPTPP in 2021.
[...]
"Now we are in CPTPP we should do our utmost to work with the others to veto China joining," the (other) former Conservative leader said. "We should persuade the U.S. to join as well." The United States ditched CPTPP in its early stages under [Obama and] Donald Trump."

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2023 16:16 utc | 82

Derek, thanks for responding so kindly. Yes, I know about double entry accounting. But, I also know how they can cook the books and present a rosy picture. Especially with buybacks, deferred payments, etc. Any company that doesn't actually produce a product can live on fumes and loans for quite a while before the shareholders ever know what's going on. And by then? The brass sell their shares and skate to the next debacle. And that's not even talking about derivatives. What a mess. Cheers mates!

Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 31 2023 4:16 utc | 83

Murdoch who once employed a Private Detective hacker - in the UK - who got his head split in half with an Axe , - leaving a pub - gives you an idea of form . No arrest . No conclusions after numerous enquires . But Moloch Murdoch once owned a MEDIA COMPANY IN RUSSIA in the 2000/s ! ‘News Outdoor Russia ‘ that country’s largest billboard - Outdoor Propaganda unit ! It grew because the opposition competition for minds and booty , was eliminated by assassins . One important ‘News Corpse ‘ executive in Russia running the ‘neon signs ‘ was Sergei Zheleznyak . After cutting his teeth , with Rupert , became Deputy Chair of Putin’s State , Duma ! Was so good at it , he became Speaker of the House . Anyway - Mr Honest Murdoch - bought WSJ - not for the prestige and to promote ‘Penny Dread ‘ Stocks - ( and credibility ) but because - of fear . Fear that J. Kwitny - and old investigative journalist, had files and files on him , a la , ‘ THE CRIMES OF PATRIOTS ‘ ! Perhaps the fear of truth , might of left something in the old WSJ Archives (( you think you - know IRAN / CONTRA ? America ? - )) . How well do Americans know Murdoch- Moloch ???? $$$$$$$$$$$$ A Patriot indeed .

Posted by: George Plethon | May 31 2023 9:27 utc | 84

There is no egg on their face. The western media holds all of the eggs. Western media knowingly and intentionally spreads lies because they know that by the time the truth comes out, the desired propaganda effect on the narrative has already been solidified. Anglo-Saxons may be third or fourth rate when it comes to weapon design and production, but they are the undisputed champions of propaganda and information warfare.

Posted by: FVK | Jun 1 2023 13:48 utc | 85

So this guy is claimed to be detained by police and interrogated yet he still is able to text this to a friend? Another NGO act of interference 8n Chinese affairs by playing the Uyghur card once again. Let me put on my hip boots again.

Posted by: WT Baker | Jun 1 2023 21:34 utc | 86

This video brings clarity to the role of Amnesty in Hong Kong. I have always felt comfortable in Hong Kong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uASqc_nHu48

Follow the money.

Posted by: Paul GV | Jun 2 2023 0:40 utc | 87

Posted by: George Plethon | May 31 2023 9:27 utc | 84

There is a book on the subject of Murdoch's and News Corp's cyber hacking, Murdoch's pirates:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16161258-murdoch-s-pirates

"...News of the World is not the first Murdoch company to be accused of skullduggery. Murdoch's Pirates is about the dark deeds of a secret division of News Corp, based in Jerusalem, operating in a combustible world of ambitious ex Scotland Yard men and former French and Israeli secret service agents, who have one thing in common - they have all left their previous employment under controversial circumstances.

NDS produces smart cards for use by pay TV operators; this is a fiercely competitive field and one of the ways you get business is to demonstrate that the smart cards produced by your rivals can be easily pirated. Unless you are very careful, sometimes those pirated versions make their way out into the real world, where they can really damage your competitors' businesses..."

Ordinary people would have law enforcement investigations and possible prosecutions for these activities by their employees. It has become hard to find this book. The cloned cards resulted in a number of company bankruptcies. That's one way to destroy the competition, capitalism #101.

Posted by: Paul GV | Jun 2 2023 4:02 utc | 88

Just because there is so much anti-Chinese racism, it does not follow that we should not be wary of Chinese imperialism and violence, which are also real. Take fishing:

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/04/08/illegal-fishing-and-physical-violence-life-aboard-china-s-devil-vessels-revealed-in-new-re

Posted by: Marian Ruccius | Jun 5 2023 14:16 utc | 89