Why Kim Dotcom Connects The DNC Email Leak To The Murder Of Seth Rich (Updated)
Last week we learned a new fact about the DNC email leak in 2016 and of the events that likely led to the killing of Seth Rich.
A quite aggressive Wikipedia page discusses the Murder of Seth Rich:
The murder of Seth Rich occurred on July 10, 2016, at 4:20 a.m. in the Bloomingdale neighborhood of Washington, D.C. Rich died about an hour and a half after being shot twice in the back. The perpetrators were never apprehended; police suspected he had been the victim of an attempted robbery.The 27-year-old Rich was an employee of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and his murder spawned several right-wing conspiracy theories, including the false claim, contradicted by the law enforcement branches that investigated the murder, that Rich had been involved with the leaked DNC emails in 2016. It was also contradicted by the July 2018 indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence agents for hacking the e-mail accounts and networks of Democratic Party officials and by the U.S. intelligence community's conclusion the leaked DNC emails were part of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Fact-checking websites like PolitiFact, Snopes, and FactCheck.org stated that the theories were false and unfounded. The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post wrote that the promotion of these conspiracy theories was an example of fake news.
Well, that is not what really had happened.
Yes, Seth Rich worked as IT administrator for the Democratic National Committee. He was a fan of Bernie Sanders. During the 2016 primaries DNC functionaries did their best to work against Bernie Sanders and for Hillary Clinton. To make that public Seth Rich collected an archive of all DNC emails, copied it onto an USB stick and looked for someone who would publish them.
UPDATE 20:00 UTC
The former British ambassador Craig Murray said that he was given the USB stick by an intermediary of a disgusted Democratic whistleblower and brought it from Washington DC to Wikileaks which eventually published the emails. The data involved were not only from the DNC but also from Clinton's campaign chair John Podesta:
WikiLeaks made the DNC messages public in July and the incriminating emails from Podesta were published in October. The messages predominantly showed that DNC officials were bent on sabotaging the presidential campaign of Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary Clinton. Murray insisted that the information was leaked and not hacked by Russia.“Neither of the leaks came from the Russians. The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks…leakers were motivated by disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.”
/End Update/
Craig Murray did not mention Seth Rich. Up to last week we did not know if Seth Rich really made contact with Wikileaks.
But we did know that the DNC was never 'hacked' by anything Russia. The date/timestamps of the leaked files were consistent with local copying and inconsistent with an internet transfer. The company Crowdstrike which was hired to protect the DNC's networks and which did an investigation into the case never observed an actual 'Russian' hack or any data exfiltration from the DNC network. As ITwire wrote in May 2020:
The controversial American security firm CrowdStrike, which was called in to investigate the alleged Russian hack of DNC servers in 2016, had no proof that any emails from the system had been exfiltrated despite public assertions that this had occurred, according to the transcript of an interview released by the US Government a few days ago.The transcript was from an interview conducted with CrowdStrike's president of services and chief security officer Shawn Henry by the US House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in December 2017, but only released to the US Special Counsel Robert Mueller who conducted a two-year inquiry into alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 presidential poll.
While the exfiltration of emails from the DNC server has been accepted as a proven fact, Henry's answers to queries from committee members make it clear that this was definitely not the case.
In one typical exchange, Henry was asked, "What about the emails that everyone is so, you know, knowledgeable of? Were there also indicators that they were prepared but not evidence that they actually were exfiltrated?" To this Henry responded, "There's not evidence that they were actually exfiltrated. There's circumstantial evidence - but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated."
PolitiFact, Snopes and FactCheck.org are, unsurprisingly, wrong with their assertions.
But how did the emails find their way to Julian Assange at Wikileaks. Assange has never explained that. But Wikileaks set out a $20,000 reward for finding the killer of Seth Rich. That made it obvious that there was a connection between them but no one gave further explanations of it.
It took until last week for the world to learn more about what really happened. On April 21 some rather pungent NAFO activist, Pekka Kallionniemi, launched a Twitter thread with an attack on a person well known in IT circles:
Pekka Kallioniemi @P_Kallioniemi - 10:09 UTC · Apr 21, 2023In today's #vatniksoup, I'll introduce a German-Finnish entrepreneur, conspiracy theorist and propagandist, Kim Dotcom. He's best-known for his illegal online activities and projects, for his hate towards the US, and for his unwavering support for Putin's imperialism.
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In 2017, Dotcom claimed that he worked with Seth Rich, a US citizen and employee on the Democratic National Committee who was murdered during a suspected robbery.His death spawned..
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..several conspiracy theories stating that he was a whistleblower who had leaked documents damning Hillary Clinton and her campaign manager, John Podesta. The hack-and-leak operation was actually conducted by Russian intelligence service GRU's hacker group called Fancy Bear.
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Who is Kim Dotcom you might ask:
Kim Dotcom (born Kim Schmitz; 21 January 1974), also known as Kimble and Kim Tim Jim Vestor, is a German-Finnish Internet entrepreneur and political activist who lives in Glenorchy, New Zealand.
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Dotcom is the founder and former CEO of the defunct file hosting service Megaupload (2005–2012). In 2012, the United States Department of Justice seized its website and pressed charges against Dotcom, including criminal copyright infringement, money laundering, racketeering and wire fraud. Dotcom was residing in New Zealand at the time; at the request of US authorities, New Zealand police raided his home in 2012 and arrested him. Dotcom posted bail and has been going through legal proceedings ever since to avoid extradition to the United States.
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In 2017, Dotcom played a role in spreading conspiracy theories about the murder of Seth Rich.
In May 2017 the Washington Post wrote:
When Seth Rich’s Gmail account received an alert this week from Mega.com, attempting to start a new account on a website created by the New Zealand-based Internet businessman and convicted hacker Kim Dotcom, his family knew that something was off.Over seven frenzied days, Dotcom had become a leading purveyor of the theory that Rich, a staffer at the Democratic National Committee who was shot dead near his home in Northeast Washington last summer, had supplied DNC documents to WikiLeaks and was killed as a result. Multiple security analysts and an FBI investigation have tied the release to hackers with ties to Russia. D.C. police have said repeatedly that they think Rich was slain in a random robbery attempt.
According to experts and Rich’s family, the emailed invitation from [email protected] appeared to be an attempt to gain access to Rich’s email. Joel Rich, who monitors his late son’s Gmail account when new emails come in, did not click the link. Dotcom had not worked at Mega itself for years, but he was promising on Twitter to prove that the younger Rich had been in contact with WikiLeaks — and Fox News host Sean Hannity was telling his 2.37 million Twitter followers to be ready for a revelation.
Hannity had invited Dotcom to appear on his show for what he said on Twitter would be a “#GameChanger” interview. The implication: that Dotcom would finally offer evidence of his claim that Rich had sent internal DNC documents to WikiLeaks before his death.
All that began to unravel Tuesday afternoon when Fox News retracted a story that had claimed the same Rich-WikiLeaks connection, telling readers that the article was “not initially subjected to the high degree of editorial scrutiny we require for all our reporting.” Fox News did not respond to a request for comment, but Dotcom wrote on his website that he would not speak further about his allegations.
Since then little on the issue was heard from Kim Dotcom. There was no explanation why he was involved in the Seth Rich issue in the first place.
But after Pekka Kallionniemi's attack was widely retweeted Kim Dotcom contested it:
Kim Dotcom @KimDotcom - 0:41 UTC · Apr 22, 2023🧵 NAFO bullying exposed
I’m responding to an attempted character assassination by NAFO troll @P_Kallioniemi who prides himself with having attacked over 150 “pro-Russian actors and propagandists.”
His problem is that he picked the wrong guy for his cyber bullying.
Who is Pekka? A research fellow at Tampere University in Finland and a self-proclaimed disinformation expert. Ironic because most of the claims in his attack against me are false. I’m tagging the Dean of Tampere University @SaariJuho to make him aware of Pekka’s NAFO bullying.
First of all I’m in good company because some of the people Pekka has bullied on Twitter are @ggreenwald, @mtaibbi, @rustyrockets & @jimmy_dore. None are “Russian propagandists” or “grifters looking to make some easy money” as Pekka claims. They are truth-tellers, like myself.
False claim 1: Kim was deported from Thailand to Germany.<
Truth: I was never deported from Thailand. I left voluntarily.
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False claim 6: Dotcom claimed that he worked with Seth Rich.Truth: Seth Rich contacted me and offered information about the DNC. I rejected receiving the data personally and forwarded him to someone close to Wikileaks. That’s how Wikileaks got the DNC and Hillary Clinton leaks.
False claim 7: The (DNC) hack and leak operation was conducted by Russian intelligence.
Truth: A forensic analysis of the leaked DNC data by former US intelligence officials proved that it wasn’t remotely transferred. The meta data shows that the files were transferred locally.
The bold part is significant as it is first time that we learn:
- That there was a direct connection between Seth Rich and Wikileaks.
- Why Kim Dotcom had involved himself in the Seth Rich case after Rich had been killed.
You may say that the first claim is not new because many had presumed that. But no one involved had ever actually publicly made the claim. Dotcom's assertion of this connection through him is new.
After contacting Kim Dotcom Seth Rich was pointed to someone else near to Wikileaks. Eventually Wikileaks asked Craig Murray to fly to DC and to bring the files to Wikileaks. The Clinton server emails were published by Wikileaks in March 2016. The DNC emails were published in June and July 2016. The Podesta emails were published in October 2016.
I hope that Kim Dotcom will one day write down the complete sequence of events that are related to Seth Rich and the publishing of the Clinton, Podesta and DNC leaks by Wikileaks.
Posted by b on April 24, 2023 at 17:51 UTC | Permalink
next page »"... It was also contradicted by the July 2018 indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence agents for hacking the e-mail accounts and networks of Democratic Party officials and by the U.S. intelligence community's conclusion the leaked DNC emails were part of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections. Fact-checking websites like PolitiFact, Snopes, and FactCheck.org stated that the theories were false and unfounded. The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post wrote that the promotion of these conspiracy theories was an example of fake news..."
If that doesn't add up to conclusive proof that DNC inspired operatives were responsible for the killing, I can't imagine what would.
Add Kim's information and it's a cinch.
So Julian, who is being held until he 'confesses' that Putin, personally, handed him the DNC emails, can relax: it is now established beyond any doubt that Rich was killed in a vain attempt to prevent him from telling the world haow crooked the Clintonites were.
Ironically, nobody was either surprised or concerned. An attitude confirmed later when a Court accepted the DNC's defense that it is a private club and can do what it likes with ballots in primaries.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2023 18:08 utc | 2
...and the blood-engorged dragon opened its mouth and barfed up some bilious slander that the whole earth is expected to swallow. (somewhere in the book of Rev)
just how much russian interference is there?!?!?!
it's a miracle, an evil one, but a marvel, how anyone, like Lula, could not condemn the evil commie nazi global-putschist putinist vermin in their baseless war of aggression against a hapless, helpless innocent lamb, the Nazis in Kiev.
more signs of chinese aggression.
given US history, should Lavrov be concerned about being lynched?
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 24 2023 18:22 utc | 3
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 24 2023 18:22 utc | 3
"more signs of chinese aggression." i mean that a Lula and a Xi don't ask Uncle Sam's permission to meet.
go lash the ocean, Xerxes! er, um, thru your slaves, that is....
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 24 2023 18:25 utc | 4
Good recap and interesting facts.
Everybody with at least one functioning brain cell knows that Seth Rich was murdered by the Clinton entourage but indeed nobody really came forward.
I like reading Dotcom's comments but didn't see that one yet given there's just so much available content on the internet to go through.
Posted by: xor | Apr 24 2023 18:27 utc | 5
This could be taken as corroborating something that Craig Murray has affirmed numerous times:
“Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, has suggested that the DNC leak came from a “disgruntled” Democrat upset with the DNC’s sandbagging of the Sanders campaign and that the Podesta leak came from the U.S. intelligence community….He (Murray) appears to have undertaken a mission for WikiLeaks to contact one of the sources (or a representative) during a Sept. 25 visit to Washington where he says he met with a person in a wooded area of American University. ….
Though Murray has declined to say exactly what the meeting in the woods was about, he may have been passing along messages about ways to protect the source from possible retaliation, maybe even an extraction plan if the source was in some legal or physical danger…Murray also suggested that the DNC leak and the Podesta leak came from two different sources, neither of them the Russian government.
“The Podesta emails and the DNC emails are, of course, two separate things and we shouldn’t conclude that they both have the same source,” Murray said. “In both cases we’re talking of a leak, not a hack, in that the person who was responsible for getting that information out had legal access to that information…
Scott Horton then asked, “Is it fair to say that you’re saying that the Podesta leak came from inside the intelligence services, NSA [the electronic spying National Security Agency] or another agency?”
“I think what I said was certainly compatible with that kind of interpretation, yeah,” Murray responded. “In both cases they are leaks by Americans.”
(“A Spy Coup in America?”, Robert Parry, Consortium News)
Posted by: WJ | Apr 24 2023 18:37 utc | 6
A flood of troll-bots to arrive slandering Kim Dotcom in three ... two... one ...
Posted by: spamdump_2323@proto | Apr 24 2023 18:41 utc | 7
I remember reading somewhere that lawyers for the 12 Russians, who were not in the US, showed up to court and demanded discovery, the result of which was dropped charges. Anyone know anything more about that, or am I mistaken?
Posted by: Caveman | Apr 24 2023 18:45 utc | 8
Not related, but relevant to MoA & its readers, and so posting here for maximum exposure and not on a 4 day old thread no one will read:
Title:
"Elderly politicians threaten the US system’s ability to perform"
from:
https://www.rt.com/news/575087-politicians-threaten-us-washington-congress/
"The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT."
Solely the views of which author exactly though? Perhaps the RT author ought to have included that these exact views were shared only a few days earlier here by MoA:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/04/the-united-states-of-gerontocrats.html#more
Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 24 2023 18:46 utc | 9
Just guessing, but this tale of eerie ineptitude suggests that the FBI is incompetent and that local police can be bullied into drawing 'convenient' conclusions, by powerful politicians.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 24 2023 18:48 utc | 10
Plenty of little children saying the emperor is naked, yet the brainwashed masses still marvel at the emperors cloths.
A short video on twitter of a Ukroid carrying his dead mate off the battlefield and whinging because nazi's are burning the churches. He will also be dead like his mate because the fool believes Russians are the enemy.
The Seth Rich stuff, Bernie the sheepdog, the very obvious soft coup in the last US presidential election....
Here in Australia, it is inevitable that remaining a US lapdog, we will attack China. Those around me say evil commie aggressors. Like the Ukroids, when that occurs, they will be killed off. Anglo American death cult.
We watch the destruction of not just Ukraine, but Europe as well. Seth Rich just a tiny blip on the screen. Assange tossed in a british dungeon where he will most likely end his days.
And I watch those about me, friends and family. US pysops at its finest. I suspect there is more thinking power in a flock of sheep than a flock of humans.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 18:57 utc | 11
Craig Murray is "close to Wikileaks":
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html
Posted by: Mark | Apr 24 2023 18:57 utc | 12
Wouldn't the NSA all-inclusive monitoring have shown whether the files were exfiltrated or downloaded internally and by whom?
Posted by: chet380 | Apr 24 2023 18:58 utc | 13
Hoarsewhisperer @10”... local police can be bullied into drawing 'convenient' conclusions, by powerful politicians.”
The bullying comes from the CIA. It’s a big part of what they do.
The FBI is incompetent whenever the CIA needs them to be. They’re incompetent other times too, of course, but they definitely look the other way and whistle when the CIA shows up these days.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 24 2023 18:59 utc | 14
"absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Olestra salesman and another prickly shoot off the Poison Ivy League, Don Rumsfeld.
take a walk on the dark side and manufacture evidence, as needed.
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 24 2023 19:07 utc | 15
Just guessing, but this tale of eerie ineptitude suggests that the FBI is incompetent and that local police can be bullied into drawing 'convenient' conclusions, by powerful politicians.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 24 2023 18:48 utc | 10
Local police do not require bullying to be arseholes. I assume the mindset required is the same in the US as is becoming prevalent here in Australia.
The tattooed punk that came around to see me the other day, then yesterday a hammering on my door - my body clock does not match day and night so I ignored it and went to sleep. There was a letter in the letterbox. The punks were back at it again. Very much moving into the realm of harrasment.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 19:10 utc | 16
part of the psychology of the salesman, the neurolinguistic self-programming, is that no one will believe your BS if you don't.
so much deception going on. maybe the US Willy Loman is about to have an auto "accident"?
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 24 2023 19:12 utc | 17
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/865571158862811136
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 24 2023 19:13 utc | 18
dead finks don’t talk
brian eno
the low-life, grime-balls
from arkansas have to protect
their dignity with mafia executions
Posted by: Dingo | Apr 24 2023 19:18 utc | 19
In all this Anglo American propaganda, a clear marker is the use of GRU. GRU is internal intel service similar to FBI. SVR is external or foreign intel service.
Propaganda for kiddies. The imperial propaganda scribes are so dumb they don't even name the correct intel agency. But I guess it doesn't matter as the sheep they are preaching to are even dumber. The scribes could write KGB and the sheeple would bleat in agreement.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 19:22 utc | 20
This additional piece of news gives the DNC motive to kill Rich, for sure.
But we need more evidence, and with the FBI on the case, you can be sure that none will ever be found. Any evidence inculpating someone connected to the DNC or Hillary has been destroyed, for sure.
Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2023 19:22 utc | 21
1) Any competent forensic investigation of the transferred files would have drawn the conclusion that they were downloaded locally direct from the host. The timestamps on the transferred files confirm this fact and exclude the potential for "hacking" or remote access to the server.
2) The fact of a local download and transfer imples there had to a person with local access to the server at the date and time the file transfer took place.
3) Server rooms are typically restricted access locations. Access is made by key card or similar device and all access is logged. It is therefore relatively easy to narrow the range of suspects.
4) Server rooms are not filled with personnel. There is typically only one administrator on duty Such minimal staffing facilitates a lone administrator undertaking a covert file transfer. Rich's work hours were known. Minimal effort would be required to identify a correspondence between the date / timestamps of the downloaded files and the hours worked by Rich.
5) Almost all server operating systems maintain a series of logs. These capture the credentials of any logged in user. Even if the server is accessed locally that access must have an associated credentials either those of Rich or another admin account (i.e. SUDO). Forensic examination of these logs would confirm the date and time of local access and the credentials associated with that access.
6) Given the nature of Wikileaks operations I suspect all associated communications are heavily monitored. It is therefore highly likely members of the intelligence community were aware of an approach to Wikileaks in real time.
7) Given what is presently known of the suppression of information, the deceptive and misleading "fact checkers," the fact senior civil servants were willing to knowingly cover for HRC, failed to prosecute her for criminal activity identical to that for which a 21 year ANG enlistee is to be prosecuted, and actively engaged in creating the "Russian Hoax" and the undermining of a lawfully elected president of the Unite States, I see no reason not to doubt that some member(s) of the non-existent "deep state" acted to eliminate Rich.
Were Rich to remain alive the entire chain of evidence would point to him, his defence at trial would likely speak to the manipulations within the DNC and the concerted DNC destruction of Sanders' campaign. These revelations would be unwelcome. As would any revelations about the money paid to the "big guy," the family involvement in selling political access, the truth about his drug addict son and his paid remuneration derived from corrupt Ukrainian politics.
Posted by: Sushi | Apr 24 2023 19:24 utc | 22
thanks b… no grass growing under your feet.. and no writers block either..
aside from supporting @ 14 william gruffs comment, at what point does the average american realize whenever they say russia did it, it is just the opposite.. just ask blinken and the 51 intel folks who said this about hunter bidens laptop.. does the cia work directly for the dnc? or am i reading too much into these growing coincidences?
it seems to me pat lang was right.. the cia needs to be reigned in, or shut down.. until that happens, we will be told the russians are { always } at fault…
Posted by: james | Apr 24 2023 19:33 utc | 23
Dotcom's reply is worth reading in full. He notes that "Some of the false claims that Pekka made are criminal under Finnish law. I’m a citizen of Finland and I can press charges or sue him for defamation", and indicates that he is taking legal action against Kallioniemi.
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1649721491154673665
Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 24 2023 19:36 utc | 24
Sushi | Apr 24 2023 19:24 utc | 22
Excellent summary. Computers and internet are very public places. Everything is logged, everything is remembered. That garbage about a kid accessing CIA internal files, alarm bells would have been clanging and red lights flashing.
Rich may well have been like Snowden, Manning and other whistle blowers.Young men who got in over their heads
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 19:37 utc | 25
farm ecologist | Apr 24 2023 19:36 utc | 24
Finland is now part of Nato. National interest is the trump card in a court of so called law. Dotcom reminds me of the other Kim a bit. Fending of the Empire machine. He won't be able to go to Finland as he will be arrested and thrown in a dungeon with Assange. He'd best stick to trolling the clowns.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 19:47 utc | 26
Long ago I noticed the strange Wikipedia definition of "reliable sources", which essentially promotes false info from established organizations such as WaPo while kiboshing facts that are ignored by those same mainstream publications but described elsewhere, i.e., if it ain't in the mainstream media, it didn't happen.
I have since realized that this is not a bug, but a feature...
Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 24 2023 19:50 utc | 27
farm ecologist
wikipedia is one of the wests many propaganda tools.. they have a lot of them!
Posted by: james | Apr 24 2023 19:58 utc | 28
james @23:
It’s more accurate to say the DNC works for the CIA. The CIA is higher in the Establishment hierarchy, but they had to kill a President to get there. Other than Trump, who was an outlier, every President since Reagan was a full and willing agent of the CIA.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 24 2023 19:59 utc | 29
PeterAU1 @20
“ GRU is internal intel service similar to FBI. SVR is external or foreign intel service.”
Correction: GRU is military intelligence, which nothing like FBI.
Posted by: nwwoods | Apr 24 2023 20:00 utc | 30
nwwoods | Apr 24 2023 20:00 utc | 30
Checked up on that. You are right and I am wrong.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 20:05 utc | 31
I have since realized that this is not a bug, but a feature...
Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 24 2023 19:50 utc | 27
There was an article in Business Insider right before the 2016 Election that featured a Hillary Clinton fanboi schmuck in New Jersey who had made 2300 edits to her Wikipedia page over a nine year period - excising anything negative written about her longstanding corruption and criminality. Wikipedia is fine for overviews of scientific matters but anything political is hopelessly tainted and protective of the UniParty and Deep State "Powers That Be."
Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 24 2023 20:10 utc | 32
The whole American establishment stinks. It's annoying to see that many people remain stupid and continue to believe the US establishment.
Posted by: Steve | Apr 24 2023 20:11 utc | 33
LoL NAFO
Never before in the history of humanity has such a collection of fat obnoxious talentless losers been as relevant as this group of rejects are today.
Humanity has such promise tgese days. LoL
Posted by: Comandante | Apr 24 2023 20:11 utc | 34
https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/865571158862811136
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 24 2023 19:13 utc | 18
Look at the second comment under that tweet: the one instantly cried Fake News in 2017 and is now part of NAFO… it’s all one big swamp of CIA/NAFO Ukro trolls/bots…
Posted by: Zet | Apr 24 2023 20:13 utc | 35
What we have here is an Arkanicide, or more commonly a suspicious suicide. Two bullets to the back? Clintons involved? Nothing suspicious going on. Just like Epstein. Move along. Move along.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Apr 24 2023 20:15 utc | 36
"Look at the second comment under that tweet: the one instantly cried Fake News in 2017 and is now part of NAFO… it’s all one big swamp of CIA/NAFO Ukro trolls/bots…
Posted by: Zet | Apr 24 2023 20:13 utc | 35"
That is one dedicated troll
LoL
Posted by: Comandante | Apr 24 2023 20:23 utc | 37
These NAFO trolls are really scum of humanity. Most of the time they turn out to indeed be some kind of losers or rejects of society, who suddenly found a calling purpose.
Pretty much all western "Russia experts", quite the contrary, know nothing about Russia. They have substituted lack of knowledge or understanding with their personal opinions, influenced by the stories they have been grown up with (namely: Russia bad, orange man bad, US good, Israel more good, China bad etc.).
Unfortunately Finland is in the stage where they try to show their masters how good they are at sucking and doing the bid of US state deprartment, which pretty much means that clown will never be admitted to be wrong and creating defamation of Kimdotcom.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 24 2023 20:35 utc | 38
Comandante | Apr 24 2023 20:23 utc | 37
The amount of western troll factories that were set up "to combat ISIS on social media".... When western media was constantly quoting Amaq. I had the ISIS Amaq website bookmarked and would look at it from time to time.
Now we have the NAFO trolls. Send in the clowns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L6KGuTr9TI
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 20:42 utc | 39
I remember reading somewhere that lawyers for the 12 Russians, who were not in the US, showed up to court and demanded discovery, the result of which was dropped charges. Anyone know anything more about that, or am I mistaken?Posted by: Caveman | Apr 24 2023 18:45 utc | 8
Here's what I recall reading about one of the Russian-owned firms in question, Concord Management and Consulting (or is it Concord Consulting and Management?). I'll call it "Concord."
Concord lawyers showed up in court (in New York City, I believe) to defend their client. The prosecution at first claimed that those lawyers had no standing to act on Concord's behalf, but the judge rejected that argument. Then the prosecution dropped the charges, claiming that it no longer served the interests of the US government to pursue this case.
Let's review. The US government supposedly gathers sufficient evidence to file charges against a firm, after which it shouts this to the rafters. But when the firm shows up to defend itself, the government abandons the case, thereby depriving the defendant of clearing its name in court.
This seems to be just one of numerous incidents illustrating how the US executive branch has been infested by individuals who are lower than dogsh*t.
Posted by: David Levin | Apr 24 2023 20:45 utc | 40
List of people who say Seth Rich is the DNC leaker
I have maintained a list of people who say Seth Rich is the DNC leaker.
- Guccifer 2.0 via Robin Young
- Kim Dotcom
- Seymour Hersh (unconfirmed)
Rod Wheeler- Anonymous federal investigator who spoke to Fox News & OANN
- Anonymous whistleblower via Lin Wood (May be same person)
- James Lyons
- Ed Butowsky
- Ellen Ratner according to Ed Butowsky
- Bill Binney
- Mark Dougan aka BadVolf (unreliable)
- Julian Assange strongly suggests but does not say so. As does his mother.
Two other people claim that they know first hand that the data came from a leaker, but do not mention the leaker's name.
- Craig Murray
- Ray McGovern
The claim by Kim Dotcom is old. Originally he said that "Seth" contacted him using an alias. ("Panda" something). Kim Dotcom infers that "Panda" and Seth Rich are the same person, but he may not have definite proof.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 24 2023 21:01 utc | 41
Haven't gotten past the part about Craig Murray and the two separate tranches of emails that were published. For one thing, there is no way they both were on the same USB stick as 4+ months passed between when the DNC emails were published and Podesta's, IIRC. Further, I believe that the personal emails were in fact "hacked" by way of a "spearphishing" attack, whereby he clicked on a malicious piece of code embedded within an email sent to him.
While this article hews to the standard "Russia did it" line, it does provide a technical explanation for what happened on a high level.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 21:03 utc | 42
Petri Krohn | Apr 24 2023 21:01 utc | 41
Wikileaks posting a reward speaks loader than words.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 21:06 utc | 45
loader ... louder. my typos are frustrating to me let alone anyone else.
I guess moor booze is the answer. Cures all ills.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 21:12 utc | 46
Finnished reading the whole article. Maybe someone with knowledge of the history can enlighten me on something. In my own experience on Twitter (under the same handle as here, no "blue check" LOL) NAFO toads are overwhelmingly Americans and Finns. The more rabid and persistent ones I've encountered are Finnish. What is the deal with Finland and Russia - is the old USSR invasion still something that they associate with non-communist modern Russia? Or is Finland just more infiltrated by NATO personnel and propaganda than other Western European/Scandinavian/Baltic countries?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 21:13 utc | 47
More on Kim Dotcom and Seth Rich
This is all the information on Seth Rich and Kim Dotcom we have collected on the ACLOS site.
- I knew Seth Rich. I know he was the Wikileaks source. I was involved, Kim Dotcom to Sean Hannity on twitter, May 20, 2017
- On May 23, kim.com issues a statement (without specific URL) on his website which reads:
I know [that Seth Rich was involved in the DNC leak] because in late 2014 a person contacted me about helping me to start a branch of the Internet Party in the United States. He called himself Panda. I now know that Panda was Seth Rich. Panda advised me that he was working on voter analytics tools and other technologies that the Internet Party may find helpful. I communicated with Panda on a number of topics including corruption and the influence of corporate money in politics. [...]
Dotcom would be willing to give details only to "the authorities" as his lawyers advised him, the statement continues. - On May 25, Dotcom releases an open letter to the Rich family asking them not to repeat allegations, whose preposterous nature he outlines to them, originating with the Washington Post of him having tried to hack Seth Rich's email account.
- SETH RICH – A TALE OF TWEETS - May 28, 2017
- Kim Dotcom Approaches Special Counsel, press release by Kim Dotcom, 30 May 2017
(says he has relevant information, does not provide details on information itself, only on his legal situation) - On the Consortium News Live show of September 20, 2019, Joe Lauria plays parts of an interview he did with Kim.com and discusses it with guest Bill Binney. The new information seems to be that after Kim communicated with "Panda" first over twitter and then encrypted messenger, including specifically about "Panda"'s work for the DNC and his frustration with their methods against Sanders, Kim decided that it was too hot for him to be involved with, given his own struggle against extradition to the US. He then brought "Panda" in contact with someone apparently from the hacker scene who had been working with wikileaks in the past, and from there the story developed without further involvement of Kim.com.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 24 2023 21:19 utc | 48
Posted by: chet380 | Apr 24 2023 18:58 utc | 13
The NSA would be able to confirm a direct transfer over the Internet from the DNC to either Wikileaks or to any alleged Russian recipient.
What NSA could not monitor would be a local wireless access to the servers or wireless transfer from the servers to a wireless recipient in the local vicinity. DNC almost certainly has wireless access to its network, and wireless access is notoriously poorly controlled.
That's how I would have done it. Forget about physically penetrating the server room - although that is relatively easily accomplished by trained physical penetration testers. Depending on Rich's level of IT access, he probably didn't need to do that, but if needed, he probably could have done it. So server room security is mostly irrelevant.
So the fact that the NSA has never officially confirmed such a transfer is like Sherlock Holmes' "the dog didn't bark" situation.
The DNC leak consisted of 20,000 emails. Depending on the size of email attachments, that is not a large file and probably could be transferred quickly either locally or wirelessly and that likely faster than any Internet connection.
The point to remember about the time stamps is not that they prove a local copy directly from the DNC, but that they reduce the probability that the official story of a transfer by Russian agents over the Internet either to a Russian server or Wikileaks directly is correct. Also, while a transfer from the DNC server to another server over a high-speed Internet connection is possible, despite the relative rarity of such connections outside large corporate and government offices, the time stamps more closely fit the profile of a local download. The only thing they actually prove is that a local copy was done at some point in the transfer process, probably either during the initial download or more likely a transfer from a computer to a portable media such as a flash drive.
The other problem is the whole affair with Duncan Campbell, a British journalist who attempted to establish that the date stamps on the files had been altered. This led William Binney, the ex-NSA IT administrator who was involved in the initial investigation, to back off from claiming the date stamps proved anything at all, as they may have been compromised. However, Binney later retracted that back-off IIRC.
What needs to be investigated is the claim made by Fox News and Ed Butowsky, which Sy Hersh was interested in investigating (he called Butowsky, who released the audio of the call), that the Washington police and FBI had searched Rich's PC in his apartment and found emails connecting him to Wikileaks, and that this had been covered up. Hersh subsequently backed away from what the audio tape of his call had seemingly indicated that he had already heard this report from someone inside the government. However, if you read Hersh's denials he never actually says that he didn't say anything recorded on the audio tape.
The allegation that the FBI covered up the most damning evidence of Seth Rich's involvement in the DNC leak is what needs to be investigated - but probably never will be. President Trump through intermediaries once offered Assange a pardon if he could clear up the alleged Russian involvement, according to Assange's lawyer, but that fell through. Another negotiation allegedly occurred between the US Department of Justice and Assange which also fell through.
I have a ton of articles from the period 2016-2019 and beyond on the DNC leak. It's a nightmare to go through it all and come out the other end with any clear understanding. But the probabilities suggest 1) DNC leak was just that, not a hack; 2) Russia was not involved; 3) Russiagate was BS; and 4) Seth Rich had something to do with it all.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2023 21:22 utc | 49
OK, yes so there were three batches of emails. The first two may have been on the thumb drive allegedly handed to Craig Murray in Washington D.C. But I know for a fact that the third batch from Podesta was in fact hacked using a "phishing" attack via his personal or work email. However, Murray only references two batches in the Daily Mail article which also corroborates the "phishing" hack of Podesta's.
The Clinton server emails were published by Wikileaks in March 2016. The DNC emails were published in June and July 2016. The Podesta emails were published in October 2016.
So not all three of these were on the same thumb drive. Murray told the Daily Mail that he got the drive in September (I assume of 2016 since the revelation was made that December). Also given the pretty much accepted cyber-forensics on the Podesta hack (not done by CrowdStrike, but a different firm called SecureWorks*) I'd appreciate if anyone can point me to a more detailed explanation for how all three of these batches of emails could possibly have ended up on the same thumb drive when they were each obtained in a different fashion. I find it hard to believe that the Podesta emails were on that thumb drive given the drastically different way they were obtained and the timing of Craig Murray's statements and of the releases.
*Apparently SecureWorks has subsequently partnered with CrowdStrike for an un-unrelated project, which I thought was their competitor at one point.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 21:25 utc | 50
Patroklos | Apr 24 2023 21:04 utc | 44--
It's important and adds to what IMO is a very important historical chain that as Gruff notes goes back to Reagan/Bush and Neoliberalism's massive escalation coinciding with the escalation of the Drug Epidemic within the USA and Cartelization within South America. And at about the same time, 1980, corruption within the MIC and Congress also escalated. One of the major results from that time was the forging of the Duopoly ruled by Neoliberals that allowed for the infiltration of Neocons into senior policy making positions. Reagan actually introduced it with his cryptic "Morning in America" description--no better figurehead IMO could have been produced than him. NSC's Project Echelon was outed in 1978 but nothing was done to curtail this very unconstitutional agency and its behavior. In other words, this revelation's important because it provided yet another genuine dot in the long trail of dots that detail the rise of the domestic aspects of the Totalitarian Outlaw US Empire. 1992's election that saw H. Ross Perot swung the election from one CIA asset to another, which killed the future for Third Parties as the Duopoly now reigned supreme. Just eight years later in 2000, media was already onboard the Duopoly project and Nader couldn't buy any time or get any recognition unlike what Perot was able to get even in 1996 when he tried again.
With the massive falsification of history being done by the Outlaw US Empire, it's now highly important to get the genuine narrative properly recorded. Thanks to b for his efforts in putting this article together.
IMO one of the final straws that broke the camel's back on an indictment for Assange was the reward money for information pertaining to Seth Rich. As we all know, Assange and Wikileaks have a well known reputation for not divulging their sources. Which makes the following tweet somewhat contradictory and out of character:
WikiLeaks has never disclosed a source. Sources sometimes talk to other parties but identities never emerge from WikiLeaks. #SethRich
— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) May 22, 2017
It emerged in court* during Assange's extradition hearing that Donald Trump was directly involved with and aware of the looming indictment; something that not even the king of prosecuting whistleblowers and leakers, Obama would do, citing the New York Times precedent as the reason he wouldn't indict him. This is another confusing element of the saga for me, since Trump himself tweeted about Rich several times and was clearly a believer in the theory. But his administration's DOJ was the one to indict Assange and if what was said in court is true the President was 100% for doing so.
* The transcripts or whatever can be found at Consortium News and at Craig Murray's blog.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 21:35 utc | 52
farm ecologist
wikipedia is one of the wests many propaganda tools.. they have a lot of them!
Posted by: james | Apr 24 2023 19:58 utc | 28
Good lies have a small amount of truth.
Mind that small amount of truth seems not necessary these time's.
Any vacuous hyped press releases will do.
The mushroom program.
Keep them in the dark and feed them plenty of BS is front and centre from all MSM's feeds.
Unapologetically on all fronts.
Posted by: jpc | Apr 24 2023 21:46 utc | 55
@bevin | Apr 24 2023 18:08 utc | 2
[Wikileaks citing PolitiFact, Snopes, FactCheck.org, NYT, WaPo and the Los Angeles Times]If that doesn't add up to conclusive proof that DNC inspired operatives were responsible for the killing, I can't imagine what would.
I will only believe it once 51 former intelligence officials confirm it is false.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 24 2023 21:47 utc | 56
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 24 2023 21:41 utc | 53
Gotta love that filter.
I'm beginning to think b should move off Typepad and on to Substack like everyone else. Or host his own Ghost server (same as Substack but can be locally hosted.)
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2023 21:49 utc | 57
Tom_Q_Collins
The american lapdogs surrounding Russia will be killed off.
Trump? Far from being a do-gooder but not part of the Anglo deep state. I watched many interviews going back to the early eighties where he said "take the oil". I guess Trump is old school empire. You invade a country to take its resources.
I guess he is realistic - pragmatic. Not a nice person but agreement capable. But no matter. Inmates now run the asylum. There can be no other ending for them than what we see in Bakhmut.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 21:49 utc | 58
Posted by: David Levin | Apr 24 2023 20:45 utc | 40
Thanks for your reply. That is exactly what I was talking about. Damage done, I suppose. Much like the 'Russians paying Afghans bounties for dead Americans' story, no need for anyone in the press to follow up once the first story is published. Damage done. And even if follow up reporting is done, it is nowhere near as visible as the initial story. The first story is already embedded in everyone's minds.
Posted by: Caveman | Apr 24 2023 21:53 utc | 59
Fucking waste of 45 minutes.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 24 2023 21:41 utc | 53
The joys of the information highway. I was a late comer to the internet but it truly was an information highway even then. Now there is much roadworks occurring, many roadblocks.
For any newbie now, it is an awe inspiring task to get to the guts of geo-political matters.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 21:58 utc | 60
The only way to make big money is to lead the rest of the world up the garden path.
The Clinton email """" hack """, , the Russian """ aggression """" Ukraine, and now the US administrations ( purple mix ) threatening China , are all fine examples of full spectrum deception.
The common denominator of these three massive whoppers against Russian interests is that the Democrats want a massive chunk of the Silk Road profits to replace their massive profits from Sea freight of Chinese goods. Kicking Russia is just mafia intimidation , in other words politics.
Personally I find the accumulation of vast profits by lies and criminal intimidation a deeply tedious subject of conversation, specially when it involves shooting people in the back , genociding brainwashed proxies, locking people up indefinitely through the totally corrupt Keir Starmer at the CPS.
I make things for a living. It satisfies my creativity and pleases my customers. I don't particularly want to create a perpetual afterlife for myself in the fire of hell.
But , stupid is, as stupid does.
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 24 2023 22:01 utc | 61
I've had many long comments disappeared over the years here and at other TypePad based blogs. I started using a word processor/text editor to write my longer comments and those with several links, and then copying and pasting here before hitting "Post" or "Preview."
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 22:01 utc | 62
Want to go in a deeper and related rabbit hole? Dive in the Anthony Weiner laptop story..
Posted by: Lozion | Apr 24 2023 22:01 utc | 63
"...I will only believe it once 51 former intelligence officials confirm it is false." Petri Krohn@55
You're a purist. That would be the letter of the law.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2023 22:11 utc | 64
"Hello, suicide hotline. How may I help you?"
"This is Hillary Clinton. I'd like to place an order."
Posted by: Pessimist | Apr 24 2023 22:12 utc | 65
Well well well ….
B finally wakes up to publish a decent piece on the House of Cards … that those who have been awake for the longest have understood since Julian Assange made the clear statement that individuals had risked their lives to pass on information to Wikileaks.
Everything that followed…all the Russiagate bs was just a smokescreen to hide the crimes & throw shit at the opponent while they ran for cover.
The DNC never submitted their servers for a forensic examination & experts like William Binney were telling the world this Russian hack thing was a total canard years ago.
It looks like someone just caught up & sniffed some Java.
Posted by: Per Terram | Apr 24 2023 22:16 utc | 66
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 22:01 utc | 61
I go the other way. I type it into the comment block, then copy it to an editor to save it, then hit post. If the post fails, I still have the document to rework.
But when I do a Substack post, I do it all in LibreOffice Write, then copy it to the Substack editor. The Substack editor sucks.
That's another thing this site needs: an edit button for posts so corrections can be made without making a new post or to add additional updates.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2023 22:19 utc | 67
It's very interesting, and is new. But I would just say we don't KNOW your points 1 and 2. We know that Kim asserts them. It's something. But don't overcook it. I'd also add that it would hold a lot more weight if Dotcom had shown proof.
Also, I'm wondering why Dotcom comes out now? Also, Dotcom has a history of promising things and teasing the Twittersphere and not delivering. Let's see the proof, first.
Finally, Dotcom is incorrect about the forensic evidence showing a local download occurred. That's a common trope in this corner. But it's just an oft repeated error. See Steve McIntyre's posts on this. Of course the download MIGHT have been local. But we do NOT have evidence of it being impossible to DL remotely (timestamps could have been altered well after the extraction, for instance...even just by something like an innocent second file transfer before the "in the woods turnover of the USB".) When I see Dotcom touting points like this it does not make me feel good. Comes across as LARPerish.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 24 2023 22:20 utc | 68
And we care because...? Patroklos@44
That the Russian government was responsible for Hillary's defeat was a major pillar in the dangerous manufacture of russophobic public opinion in the US and elsewhere.
That sort of xenophobia deliberately drummed up to produce a lynch mob mentality and create support for warmongerers was a major part of the manufacturing of consent for the war in Ukraine.
If it succeeds, without being discredited, it will be used again to build up momentum behind a war with China.
Anything that brings us closer to nuclear war is worth bothering about-as you know well.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2023 22:24 utc | 69
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2023 22:19 utc | 66
Since I don't do it that often, I can't say I'm able to experience the difference in putting it in a text editor first vs. here, but I can envision a scenario where your browser crashes mid-post or, for whatever reason, you accidentally hit refresh here before committing it to the word processor. Seems like my way might be safer, but YMMV.
Agree about the need for an edit feature. It would also cut down on the number of extraneous posts such as my own where I forget to add something and then have to do a separate comment that adds unnecessarily to the thread. At sports sites I use, they've adopted an edit 'window' and you have 5 minutes to make edits after initially hitting "Post." I'd be fine with that here as well.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 22:26 utc | 70
Based on Petri Kohn (41 and 48), it appears this info is NOT new. And that Dotcom is speculating. He might even be right. But he's speculating. Sigh.
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 24 2023 22:26 utc | 71
And we care because...?
Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 24 2023 21:04 utc | 44
And you are…?
Posted by: nwwoods | Apr 24 2023 22:36 utc | 72
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2023 22:26 utc | 69
You're right, your way is safer. I doubt the browser will crash, that rarely happens, more likely it will lock up which allows for copying. But I do hit post sometimes accidentally. It's just that I'm lazy and immediately starting the post in the post block is quicker. And most posts go through fine. It's the long ones I take more care with because I've been burned by this site too often.
The most common problem is my post gets blocked simply because the filter decides to hate my name again or it decides the post is too long (despite much longer ones in the same thread) or the filter doesn't like a URL which was fine earlier.
It's the randomness of this filter that is most irritating. There is no consistency. It's utter crap.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2023 22:54 utc | 73
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2023 18:57 utc | 11
Here in Australia, it is inevitable that remaining a US lapdog, we will attack China. Those around me say evil commie aggressors. Like the Ukroids, when that occurs, they will be killed off. Anglo American death cult.
Perhaps a small comfort, Peter, but you seem to have at least a kind of public discussion and even dissent, at least according to this report. I wish I could say that for Germany. For the whole piece machine-translate or try some hours later. Usually there's an english version shortly after.
https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/9220
To look at the implications of a possible war against China for its own country, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), Australia's public broadcaster, recently interviewed four experienced insiders who have each held senior positions in the country's political-military hierarchies during their careers, been involved in military operations and had access to papers at all levels of secrecy. They are Professor Hugh White, a former assistant secretary of defense for strategy and intelligence; Admiral Chris Barrie, commander in chief of the armed forces from 1998 to 2002; Allan Behm, once head of the international policy and strategy divisions at the Department of Defense; and Professor Clinton Fernandes, ex-military intelligence officer. All four are firmly convinced that the United States would insist on Australian involvement in the event of war against China, and that the government in Canberra would not avoid it. Behm explicitly laments a "fundamental strategic pathology" of the Australian establishment to "support U.S. interests at the expense of our own."
[...]
None of the four Australian experts indicates approval of a possible war against China. White categorically states that he believes it would be "a mistake" to enter into a war over, say, Taiwan. Barrie judges that "talk of the international rules-based order" that Beijing allegedly does not fully comply with is "indoctrination and intimidation" where instead efforts to resolve differences are called for, especially since Australia's governments also defy the "rules-based order" when necessary. This applies to all in the West. "Australia should use all means at its disposal to avert war against China," the former commander-in-chief of Australia's armed forces demands. Behm, in turn, criticizes Australia for never hesitating to "participate in American adventurism".
Posted by: Moses | Apr 24 2023 23:03 utc | 74
Murder by assassin should not be any surprise to anyone within the West and perphaps throughout the world.
Just look at all the assassin movies that have been made glorifying the assassins.
Money buys influence and murder and just about anything else except true love. It can and often does buy longer life especially for those who are willing to undergo some self discipline on diet and exercise. And there are those illegal operations where vital organs are "harvested" from the captured and transferred to the wealthy. There are Western movies about this topic.
Just look at the movies in the West and you can clearly see how far away from any decency the West has travelled. Yet, the West is always talking about the "rule of law". The law that they are always spouting is the "rule of law" they formulated and continually break within their own ranks.
There is a cure for all this lunacy. That is to truly repent before a Holy God. But the Western peoples are not going to do that. They are too caught up in going their own ways of iniquity. Another cure for the lunacy is to hold those whose hands are guilty of assasination accountable to the Heavenly Father. Go to Him that is truly just and ask Him for His justice for the justice of man fails.
There is increasing less justice coming from man and his governments. Yet, the Heavenly Father is always just. Vengence is mine says the Lord. Instead of counting on corrupt man for justice, there is an increasing need to go to the Heavenly Father for justice. But, the people will not do this either for they are also responsible for their own injustices
So, bring on the lastest John Wick movie where with one murder after another. For most there is no concern that the theme is about more murder. Of course, most of those that are killed by John Wick are of the same defunct and evil profession he is a part of.
There is an end to the lunacy of the West. And it is coming in the form of nuclear war just after the Russian bear takes and secures the Donbas. That may not be too many more months away.
When the nukes fall upon the USA and NATO, the time of Jacob's trouble begins. This will be a most difficult time for the white races. Yet, they brought it upon themselves for they have sinned against the Lord.
Posted by: young | Apr 24 2023 23:04 utc | 75
Posted by: Caveman | Apr 24 2023 18:45 utc | 8
Posted by: David Levin | Apr 24 2023 20:45 utc | 40
18 USC 2,371, 2349, 2028A, Feb 18, 2018 commentary
Full text of incictments here or here. Not the first and not the last of FARA adventures.
Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2023 23:07 utc | 76
Very strange this article comes out after Seth Rich is suspected tie to the Israelis Intelligence and the Trump campaign was promised help during his campaign election in exchange to recognize Jerusalem. It almost seems like a diversion article.
Posted by: DonaldRayW | Apr 24 2023 23:19 utc | 77
It wasn't Russian interference that enabled President Trump to win the 2016 election. I began a grass roots campaign to remind people of this campaign slogan:
https://www.chisholm-poster.com/posters/CL24354.html
WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS MAN.
I then showed people photos of Hillary Clinton and asked them:
WOULD YOU BUY A BLOW JOB FROM THIS WOMAN.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Apr 24 2023 23:24 utc | 78
@Moses 73
buuut at leat there is also this:
German publicist Richard David Precht calling ALB an "accident" of an SoS
Posted by: AG | Apr 24 2023 23:30 utc | 79
I see Faux fired Tucker Carlson, so eliminating the only mainstream media person who was not in the zioneocon corner unreservedly. So I don't think that this will have the slightest effect since except the few who get their news from the "alt" media, which is itself under threat, the Amerikastani voters aren't going to get to hear about it.
Also, Faux probably just threw the RipUpThePublican chances of victory in the 2024 selection under the bus.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 24 2023 23:40 utc | 80
You quote and endorse: "The meta data shows that the files were transferred locally." This is NOT true. The article that you refer to concerns a July 5 copying operation which did not involve the DNC emails. Metadata for DNC emails show that exfiltration took place on May 23 and May 25 at a slow rate that is not inconsistent with hacking exfiltration. This argument should not be used.
Posted by: Stephen McIntyre | Apr 25 2023 0:31 utc | 82
There is no particular reason to believe that Seth Rich is dead. Every detail of his final night is totally hinky. So why believe the big takeaway? The takeaway the DNC and MSM want you to believe.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 25 2023 0:36 utc | 83
I cross-referenced this article to Craig Murray’s blog this morning. Unfortunately it was ruled off-topic and has been consigned to the discussion form.
Meanwhile on his blog he announces that he is taking a case to the UN Human Rights Committee over the handling of his trial which led to his imprisonment, and the fitting up of Alec Salmond, given that some of the people central to that conspiracy are now themselves under police investigation. You can read it here:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/
The action is well worth supporting as it has implications for journalistic freedom given that during his trial he (and consequently other bloggers of note) were ruled not to be true journalists.
Posted by: Walt | Apr 25 2023 0:39 utc | 84
Posted by: Stephen McIntyre | Apr 25 2023 0:31 utc | 81
"Metadata for DNC emails show that exfiltration took place on May 23 and May 25"
Which is AFTER CrowdStrike installed their whiz-bang software that was supposed to detect such exfiltration.
"at a slow rate that is not inconsistent with hacking exfiltration."
It is inconsistent with the official story that the files were directly transferred over the Internet from the DNC to either Wikileaks or Russians, regardless of whether said Russians had "staging servers" or not.
As an aside, "hacking exfiltration" can happen in any number of ways, including parceling the data into various protocols. That would be slow - too slow to look like a local transfer to external media. But the official story is the Russians hacked the DNC server directly and transferred the files out of the server over the Internet either directly to Wikileaks or via a Russian "staging server" in the US. Nothing was said about any fancy protocol hacking - if for no other reason than as CrowdStrike has admitted under oath THEY HAVE NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE EXFILTRATION TOOK PLACE.
Neither was there ever any confirmation of same by the NSA which could undoubtedly reproduce every byte that left the DNC servers over that period from their records.
Go back and read all the Forensicator articles, the Alex Carter stuff, and the back-and-forth between them, the VIPS people, and their critics (which includes Scott Ritter, by the way, who like most people misses the point of the forensics.)
In the end, it comes down to who do you believe? The fucking US intelligence community, which has never done anything but lie about everything - or Wikileaks and Craig Murray, who haven't ever been accused of lying by anyone except the US IC.
It's a no-brainer to believe Assange and Murray. And the forensic evidence supports them, not the IC.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 25 2023 0:56 utc | 85
Well done again, b! As I'm always inclined to post when confronted with the radically propagandistic term "conspiracy theory":
"The Senate has confirmed: Caesar was killed by a lone knifeman!"
Posted by: JMF | Apr 25 2023 0:59 utc | 86
@Walt 83
same with me. But them are the rules. Which is ok.
And yes: Murray´s court action should be covered by as many outlets as possible!
(Including financial support by those who can afford it.)
Posted by: AG | Apr 25 2023 1:16 utc | 88
Seth Rich must have really loved Bernie Sanders.
Anyway, the Dems can't afford to lose in 2024.
Posted by: kerdasi amaq | Apr 25 2023 1:22 utc | 89
Petri Krohn # 48
You wrote
"Kim decided that it was too hot for him to be involved with, given his own struggle against extradition to the US. He then brought "Panda" in contact with someone apparently from the hacker scene who had been working with wikileaks in the past, and from there the story developed without further involvement of Kim.com."
I wonder, need to check the timing but could this be the hacker that Kim directed Rich to contact? There are TED talk featuring Kamphuis btw. Excerpt from article linked below "A large-scale investigation has been launched by Norwegian police after Dutch citizen and associate of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, Arjen Kamphuis, mysteriously disappeared.Kamphuis, who worked closely with Assange, went missing after leaving his hotel in Bodø, Norway on August 20 according to a Twitter post from Wikileaks.
https://neonnettle.com/news/4969-julian-assange-s-close-associate-mysteriously-disappears-police-investigating
Posted by: Willow | Apr 25 2023 1:45 utc | 90
I simply wonder - who needs conspiracy theories when reality is worse than any theory….
Posted by: Lubica | Apr 25 2023 1:58 utc | 91
I remember Kimble from a different time. He earned his "reputation" as a stool pigeon by working for the infamous lawyer Gravenreuth (also known as "Tanja") from Munich.
Basically cashing in on teenagers in the name of copyright law (yeah yeah, it was "German politics sucking the dick of the companies, don't blame the players blame the game", yadda yadda). Because of this greedy bastard and his accomplice quite a number of people had their homes searched by the police and had to pay hefty fees for a bunch of copied disks. (You British people may remember similar times as fondly.)
Gravenreuth put a gun to his head when his "career" ended the usual way a couple of years later. At that time Kimble should have exited the same way. Don't trust stool pigeons. End of story.
Posted by: Brocken | Apr 25 2023 2:20 utc | 92
Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2023 23:07 utc | 75
Thanks for those links. Only briefly had a chance to skim the filings. Prighozin’s name popped right out at me though. People been after him for a long time it seems. I’ve only become aware of him much more recently. Although I think I remember hearing his name when the IRA was in the news every day.
Posted by: Caveman | Apr 25 2023 3:05 utc | 94
Somebody posted a picture of the gravemarker of Seth Rich from the graveyard he is supposed to be buried, no record of him being buried there, and the photograph was CGI. ELA jpeg analysis etc.
Posted by: Beyond the pale and | Apr 25 2023 3:19 utc | 95
Just FYI,
The FBI has Seth's laptops, work and personal, and is fighting a FOIA to disclose their contents. Ty Clevenger is the lawyer pursuing the FAOI. Here is his blog:
And here is a link to the case: Huddleston v. Federal Bureau of Investigation (4:20-cv-00447)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17211651/huddleston-v-federal-bureau-of-investigation/
The judge has ruled that the country's interest in the contents outweighs the privacy of the dead man:
September 29, 2022, U.S. District Judge Amos Mazzant ordered the FBI to produce all records related to Seth Rich’s laptop within 14 days.
But the FBI appealed and 6 months later the case is still in court.
The fact that the FBI has the laptops and doesn't want to release the data tells you everything that you need to know.
Caveman | Apr 24 2023 18:45 utc | 8
……lawyers for the 12 Russians, who were not in the US, showed up to court and demanded discovery, the result of which was dropped charges.…
Lol. Yes.
chet380 | Apr 24 2023 18:58 utc | 13
…NSA all-inclusive monitoring have shown whether the files were exfiltrated or downloaded internally and by whom?
Yep. Which it is only presstitutes who say “hacked”.
Repeat a lie often enough…
rjb1.5 | Apr 24 2023 19:07 utc | 15
manufacture evidence, as needed.
Oh. We’re well past that now. Just have your presstitutes SAY there’s evidence…. And viola, evidence there is.
§ What is this evidence?
>What are you, a Putin loving …. Yadda yah. ?
As I once used ask, way back in the day…” Russians “meddled” in the US election”- . How ? Define this “meddle” ….. ?
>What are you, a Putinpuppet?
David Levin | Apr 24 2023 20:45 utc | 40
The old saying: you can indict a ham sandwich…..
?Prosecute and convict? Slightly more challenging. (-Only slightly-)
Often the indictment is enough.
Presstitutes can scream for ever after…. Name was *INDUCTED* for whatever. Failing to mention the charges were dropped…
Petri Krohn | Apr 24 2023 21:01 utc | 41
Yep Seth Rich was “panda”. And very soon after his murder, someone connected within the DNC tweeted (now deleted) that pandas should STFU, (can’t recall the exact comment, but that’s close enough)
Elmer Fudd | Apr 24 2023 23:24 utc | 77
Huh? Bill had his “oral” outsourced. …
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 25 2023 3:45 utc | 97
Here is a link to the court docket:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17211651/huddleston-v-federal-bureau-of-investigation/
Really interest...
B, your settings won't let me post a link to the lawyer's blog, or even the URL spelled out with name dot com. But you can find it with this search:
https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=law+blog+ty+Clevenger+&lr=20845&msp=1
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Assume the worst and likely you will be correct. Like with everything else....
Posted by: JustAMaverick | Apr 24 2023 18:05 utc | 1