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April 10, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Leaked Briefings, Holding Roads, Split Training

Apparently some briefing documents about the war in Ukraine for the Joint Chief of Staff of the U.S. military were leaked on the internets. I have so far only seen five pages of those. The total number is supposed to be 53 or 56 pages. If anyone knows where I can find decent copies please let me know in the comments.

I was cautious after the first release was discussed in major U.S. media. The first batch was used to demonstrate that the U.S. is allegedly successfully spying on Russia. I therefore thought that the whole release might be a disinformation campaign. However a second round of files discussed in the media over the last days paints a different picture.

Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism has decent roundup about them:

Again, recall the New York Times was the first MSM outlet to discuss that what turned out to be the first of (so far) two groups of Pentagon slides, focused on Ukraine preparedness, had made their way to a Russian Telegram account. Some had argued that the first set was a US or Russian psyop, but the authenticity of jargon and the amount of unflattering information argued against it. The second batch extends beyond Ukraine and is perceived to be damaging to US interests.

Mind you, as many war-watchers have pointed out, these revelations don’t appear likely to have much impact on the too-widely-anticipated Ukraine offensive. While the level of detail is tantalizing, the broad findings, like Ukraine’s air defenses have been depleted and are only going to get worse, were evident via open sources. Yet some of the claims are bizarre, like 97% of Russia’s forces being committed to Ukraine. Recall UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said that in February, and appeared to be retailing Ukraine propaganda then. Did Wallace get that factoid from these documents?

Nevertheless, this breach will make the US clamp down on distribution of sensitive information, which won’t be helpful so close to the launch of the expected counter-offensive.

At least one slide in this second group bore the label “Secret/NoForn,” which means distribution is limited to US citizens. That would seem to rule out our notion, based on the first batch (widely distributed among US allies, including Ukraine) that a Ukrainian unhappy with how the war is being conducted could have been behind the leak. This marking suggests these documents came from a Pentagon source, which could include contractors.

The page below shows the timetable for training and equipping nine new brigades.


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(Other pages I plugged from twitter are here, here, here and here.)

Those brigades will have too few state of the art tanks and too few artillery to be really effective. There is also a shortage of 122mm ammunition for the artillery howitzers.

If or when that Ukrainian counterattack comes it will hardly be the punch that some seem to expect. Ukraine had also put other units into reserve to prepare for that attack. But some of those have already been used. In a piece about Bakhmut the New York Times writes:

But in farm fields and villages on Bakhmut’s outskirts, Ukrainian military officials say Kyiv’s forces have fought the Russian Army essentially to a standstill in the battle for two key roads, the T504 highway and a route known as the 506.

Six weeks after the start of a Ukrainian operation to reinforce supply lines outside Bakhmut and protect the roads, Ukrainian military officials say they have thwarted, at least for now, a Russian effort to sever those roads and surround the city.

The T504 highway is also known as the M-32. Over the last days the Russian military has moved from the south in Bakhmut to now physically block it. The T-506 (O0506 on the map below) is still open but under constant artillery fire.


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A recently published drone video shows that it is hard to pass:

MilitaryLand.net @Militarylandnet – 8:34 UTC · Apr 8, 2023

📷Destroyed/damaged Ukrainian vehicles, including HMMWVs, BTR-4, M113 and T-72 tank on the road connecting #Bakhmut and Chasiv Yar via Khromove settlement. #UkraineRussiaWar
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I count 16 destroyed vehicles in that video on a 200 meter long stretch of the road.

But Ukraine has used reserves to keep it somewhat open:

In late February, Ukraine was close to losing the battle for Bakhmut, according to an assessment in a batch of what appear to be classified operational briefs prepared by the Pentagon and Joint Staff and leaked on social media this month. […]

At the time, two Russian flanking maneuvers to the northwest and southwest of the city were close to encircling Bakhmut. A single access road, the 506, remained open for Ukrainian forces and the few civilians still in the city, but it was under Russian artillery fire. Ukraine’s commanding general in the east, Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky, called the route the “last breathing tube.”

Ukrainian commanders decided to reinforce the defenses of the roads rather than retreat, according to the leaked documents. Ukraine’s army deployed many soldiers to the fight for Bakhmut that it had hoped to hold in reserve for a counteroffensive anticipated in the coming weeks or months, and its forces have sustained heavy casualties.

The meat grinder that Bakhmut has become continues to do its work.

That is why the Ukrainian army is drafting more and more men:

The men in uniform could show up almost anywhere, any time.

They knock on civilians’ front doors and randomly stop them on street corners, handing out draft papers that can turn lives upside down.

Ukraine needs more soldiers — and fast. Kyiv is preparing for an imminent assault on Russian occupying forces, and while Ukraine does not disclose its casualty counts, commanders in the field have described large losses.

Previously, officials could only deliver draft papers to people’s homes, and some avoided the notices by staying at different addresses than where they are officially registered. But new rules have widened the scope of places where men can be stopped and questioned about their draft status.

Oleksii Kruchukov, 46, a washing machine repairman waiting in line outside a recruitment office in Kyiv, said he was ordered to report there after police broke up a fight he got into on the street. He did not have any valid military exemptions and said he expected that the incident will result in him soon being sent to training, and then the front.

Oleksandr Kostiuk, 52, a road repairman who helped set up barriers against Russian forces around Kyiv last year, recently received his notice via his human resources department at work. He is willing to go to the front if he has to — but fears for his safety. “Now we understand what’s going on, so I’m more nervous,” he said.

Poor guys. The will get abused to hold onto land that will be lost anyway.

This though is concerning:

Since early February, more than 5,000 people have applied to join what was formerly known as the Azov Battalion, a controversial former right-wing militia that was incorporated into Ukraine’s national guard. Last year, the battle-hardened group was hailed as heroic for withstanding a months-long siege of the southeastern city of Mariupol.

Then, in February, the Ukrainian Interior Ministry announced that Azov would be expanded into an assault brigade as part of the new Offensive Guard.

Under its rules, Azov only accepts those who sign up of their own accord — not draftees — and it reserves the right to reject people whom it does not believe will be a good fit, which it says allows it to select the most motivated soldiers. Azov has launched a massive recruitment campaign for its new status as a brigade, with many of its men who were captured in Mariupol last year and eventually released now training recruits.

Does selecting its own recruits change a 'controversial rightwing militia' into a 'controversial former right-wing militia'? I have my doubts. Now guess who is training those Nazis:

Meanwhile, at a training camp in the Kyiv region, new Azov recruits lined up at a shooting range, learning to use C7A1 rifles. One of their trainers, a Russian-speaking former American Marine who joined Azov and goes by the call sign Frodo, said that “the majority of these guys a month ago were civilians.” One sat against a wall, studying a translated U.S. military handbook.

That they were motivated enough to sign up on their own means they act more like “warriors than soldiers,” Frodo said.

The training condenses the roughly three-month U.S. Marine Corps basic training into just four weeks, he said. During that time, the troops learn everything from marksmanship and cartography to radios and engineering. It’s possible — likely even — they could then be deployed almost immediately to the country’s hottest front lines.

The basic training the usual draftees get seems not to be of the same effectiveness:

On a recent afternoon outside Lyman in eastern Ukraine, a seasoned enlisted leader vented about the quality of initial training among newly arrived troops, describing it as largely glossing over fundamentals needed in the field that have to be taught when they get to their units.

“They’re taught to sing songs and march” in basic training, the leader said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak with reporters.

Once deployed, the troops need instruction even on the most ancient practice of soldiering: how to dig, the leader said. They do not know how to hold their shovels or fortify trenches and fighting positions. For practice, a group of fresh troops dug their spades into a nearby trench line.

Normal Ukraine's men get send to the front without proper training and equipment. This while the ideologues receive their own special training and Canadian made Colt M16A3 equivalents . The long time consequences for Ukraine from this social split will be horrendous.

There seems to be little of such concerns in the leaked briefing slides. As Yves notes in her piece about the reporting about them:

[G]ood intel becomes less useful when filtered through prior beliefs. As we can see above, the US can’t get over its idea that Russia is out to acquire territory, and not first and foremost destroy Ukraine’s (and now NATO’s) ability to wage war. The articles contain denigrating asides about how Russia has conducted the war. One senses that this isn’t mere media messaging but is well internalized among US and NATO decision-makers. That sort of under-estimation has worked out very well for Russia. And the very solidly build echo chamber in the Beltway means it’s likely to continue.

Comments

John @193 | Apr 11 2023 13:22 utc ; Malaleuca @ 194 | Apr 11 2023 13:31 utc
Considering the docs in question appear to come from an internal US source (noforn) and the numbers in *both* docs are pure fantasy, I wouldn’t be too sure either was doctored at all.
1 set of numbers is acceptable to a ukranian recipient, the other set is acceptable to a NATO or Five Eye recipient.
If i was a sneaky and underhanded bastard (or worked in public relations), I’d just start with 2 docs. 1 for distribution to audience A and the other for distribution to audience B. The simple fact that someone leaked them and now people are actually arguing over the legitimacy of said imaginary numbers is just more gravy.
.. it’s also irrelevant beyond the PR angle since both involved parties know their own casualty rate.
That being said, I haven’t seen original full resolutions of either doc. Just crappy low res and crops.

Posted by: S.O. | Apr 11 2023 13:56 utc | 201

Could the “leak” be intentional, without much strategic value, to in the future blame the predictable future failure of the Ukrainian counter-attack? It would then be used to further crack down of domestic US dissenters and press freedom.
That’s the way that I see it.

Posted by: Bob In Portland, Ore | Apr 11 2023 14:00 utc | 202

from a DOD press briefing April 10…
Q: Chris, can you just explain how it is that this was on the Internet 40 days ago and nobody saw it? And what does it tell you in terms of your retracing? Have you narrowed who may be behind it, since it appeared on a gaming site? It — how is it different from past leaks, whether it was Snowden or WikiLeaks?
MR. MEAGHER:(Public Affairs). . . So this is something that the department is actively reviewing. As I said, this is something that the Department of Justice is investigating as a criminal investigation. As I — as I mentioned earlier, you know, as these documents circulate online, I would like to highlight that they present a very serious risk to national security and have the potential to spread disinformation.
So, you know, we’re being very careful and watching where this is being promoted and amplified and we’re going to continue to coordinate efforts to determine the damage. That’s something we’re still looking into. We’re still coordinating efforts to determine the impact these documents might have on our national security going forward.
So there’s still a lot that we have to review and assess but that review and assessment is ongoing. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 11 2023 14:03 utc | 203

William Gruff | Apr 11 2023 10:39 utc | 181
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Portions of these 4chan pages are laughably wrong, but it is entirely believable for them to be the genuine best efforts of the American intelligence community distilled for presentation to the Joint Chiefs and Biden.
Indeed, American “Intelligence” is unintelligible. Assuming its authentic, the leak is a Kool-aid-drenched muddle of confusion, and thus, an unintended psyop. People studiously read the tea leaves, which prove to be just garden compost.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2023 14:03 utc | 204

BAROTIKI 6 hours ago
BREAKING NEWS:
Who asked for confirmation of the use of new weapons by the Wagner PMC fighters (?) This morning (April 11, 2023), a detachment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine went to storm the Bakhmut direction, more than 6 thousand fighters were heading to the location of the PMC fighters. There were huge flashes in the sky and loud sounds of explosions. About 4 thousand soldiers were destroyed in a few minutes, and those who saw the full power of Russian weapons immediately fled. This morning, for the first time, a weapon was used that had been a secret since 2009.

Posted by: MeFoEpcHc | Apr 11 2023 14:07 utc | 205

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 13:32 utc | 195
I have copied that article translated to English and all of those pictures along with the original five pictures to a new folder on my Google Drive. The new link is here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Iw78UJipkfRvWEHfE10U4yUnAfR0178V?usp=share_link
That article is very long, there are a lot of pics, and I don’t know that I’m going to bother to try to parse it. I’ll let someone else do that. But for what it’s worth, it’s a mess and I have no idea who the individual is who wrote the article – this “Suyi Control” or what his sources are.
Everyone will have to read the article and pore over the pictures themselves. But if a mere five pictures produced a mess of speculation, I can only imagine what 38 pictures and a huge article will produce here.
If someone wanted this as a distraction, well, mission accomplished!

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 14:09 utc | 206

So the kiev regime are to change their counter offensive plans because of the leaked documents.
WHAT BOLLOX
The very reason for the leakage was to give kiev such an excuse to the expectant world awaiting the offensive.
THERES GONNA BE NO OFFENSIVE.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 11 2023 14:11 utc | 207

The US wants to live interesting times. It seems that the GOP seriously wants to invade Mexico. Kurt Schlichter wrote against it but at the same time boasted that they would overrun Mexicans in a few hours.

Posted by: Catilina | Apr 11 2023 14:15 utc | 208

Escobar: “Russia will establish a war crimes tribunal for Ukraine, so sooner rather than later, selected collective West luminaries better take refuge in their New Zealand bunkers.”
….
I respectfully suggest Alaska as a more secure destination as for most the accent will be close to the local parlance.

uncle tungsten | Apr 11 2023 0:55 utc | 104
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Perhaps, but it is rather uncomfortably close to Siberia, which Sarah Palin can see from her backyard. It would make extradition so much easier.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2023 14:18 utc | 209

Here is a URL that has at least 18 documents.
Apparently set up by a guy called John Young. But not sure really.
https://cryptome.org/2023/04/Leaked-Classified-Docs.zip

Posted by: Sc4bs | Apr 11 2023 14:18 utc | 210

Posted by: Sc4bs | Apr 11 2023 14:18 utc | 208
john Young and Cryptome are a well known collection of leaked and official documents. He has the whole collection that he’s collected over many years available for purchase on a DVD. Not surprised that he would start collecting these documents.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 14:26 utc | 211

We wrote that the Office of the President will shift the responsibility for banning the UOC to the regional authorities.
The Volyn Regional Council unanimously supported the ban on the activities of the UOC in the region.
The deputies also recommended that local governments in the region break the lease agreements for the land where the temples of the UOC are located.
The day before, the deputies of the Rivne Regional Council made the same decision. Earlier, the city council of Rivne deprived the UOC of all objects in the city.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17246

Posted by: Down South | Apr 11 2023 14:31 utc | 212

Just looked at Cryptome’s collection, it’s the same stuff as what I’ve added to my Google Drive (although apparently not all of it) from the article referenced by Melaleuca above. There are 18 docs in the Cryptome collection, including one Spotting Scope ad which looks like a mistake, and some of them are duplicates. There are 38 new docs from the Melaleuca-referenced article by this “Suyi Control” person at the Chinese Web site which I’ve also put in my Google Drive folder, translated to English (albeit a crappy translation.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 14:32 utc | 213

Prigozhin on the course of the liberation of Artemovsk.
1. 80% of the city has already been liberated, including the main industrial and administrative facilities.
2. PMC “Wagner” is focused on cleaning up the city.
3. The enemy continues to defend in the western quarters.
4. The flanks of the advancing Wagner units are provided by units of the RF Armed Forces, covering sectors of the front to the north and south of Artemovsk.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41406

Posted by: Down South | Apr 11 2023 14:36 utc | 214

Big Serge provides details of where to find the documents. He was being cautious about publishing them in case they are genuine classified documents. I think the US would jump at the chance to shut down dissident sites providing real insight into what is happening, so I think it is wise to be careful.

Posted by: Yossarian | Apr 11 2023 14:47 utc | 215

The plot thickens:
“Pentagon leak traced to video game chat group users arguing over war in Ukraine
Analysis suggests top-secret documents were first shared on closed gamer chatrooms hosted by Discord”

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 11 2023 14:53 utc | 216

leak and response show the gross ineptitude of the 5 sided wind tunnel in Arlington, va!
I thought the f-35 was inept, the intel division is worse

Posted by: paddy | Apr 11 2023 15:05 utc | 217

today:
“Judge” Napolitano speaks to Alastair Crooke, leaks and Poland vs. EU among others, 26 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGRjJzBO1i8

Posted by: AG | Apr 11 2023 15:15 utc | 218

today:
“Judge” Napolitano speaks to Alastair Crooke, leaks and Poland vs. EU among others, 26 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGRjJzBO1i8

Posted by: AG | Apr 11 2023 15:15 utc | 219

Did you wonder why the docs have all been printed in a yellow light? My guess: to render invisible the tracking dots from the printer(s):
https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

Posted by: Helena | Apr 11 2023 15:19 utc | 220

I just used the new Substack Notes feature to post a note about the doc images in my Google Drive. I also posted a comment To Sy Hersh’s Notes about that, in case he’s interested in following this leaks thing.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 15:30 utc | 221

Thanks for the several replies. On the science/mathematical aspects, it should now be rather clear that the Soviet advantage inherited by Russia was never lost, although its funding and momentum was clearly compromised during the 1990s. However, despite the massive depth of penetration made into the works by CIA, etc., the keys were never discovered–not just the advances like hypersonics, but the reason why Soviet science and math was ahead in the first place and remains so. Those fields of study were marked as strategically important before WW1 (one could argue that it began with Peter the Great) and the Tsar’s government supported that part of the education system. That wisdom wasn’t thrown out by the Bolsheviks but was expanded as part of the drive to educate the masses–who can tell where an Einstein or Tesla will emerge from, meaning as many as possible must be given the opportunity to blossom. Yes, the system wasn’t perfect, but despite its negatives it was still better than what existed in the West–and continues to show its superiority.
There’s more to be said about the other distinctions that contribute to Russia’s education system, but that will need to wait for another time, although I’ve certainly mentioned most in past commentary.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 15:46 utc | 222

Concerning & evaluate the
” .. Today’s Ru MoD clobber report on Bakhmut / Artemovsk (Russian: Артёмовск) ..”
That’s always some fake from either “side” still on-going just today …
Or nobody knows what’s ongoing – next weeks ..
Take it as a real actual concern to watch RU/China activities in background, rather than well-smiling on that Wagner’s enhanced slowly “war” actions within Artemjsyosk (or any speeking that Bachkmut town in UKR-lang correctly, Artemovsk (Russian: Артёмовск)?) :
Wagner’s losses are really a good/bad enormously growing, to put out the AFU-Rest ..
Slaughtered on either side – what sense for that ongoing ?
RF may send some Kinzhal shells (after Wagners have retreated) to destroy that town entirely down to its grounds, that would save Wagner’s losses at a minimum next days ..!
But chief Mr. P. of Wagners seems to be always on-ground locally to give “fire on mind” of its Soldiers.
That’s a really bad development, today.
I suggest: Start a very new campaign from Mexico stationed Wagner’s groups, with Snipers well equipped, towards the South barrier of US/Texas ..
So those Biden-ghostly fixed advisers of Pentagon would know where to have to react on a “very new front” locally.

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 17:39 utc | 223

Did you wonder why the docs have all been printed in a yellow light? My guess: to render invisible the tracking dots from the printer(s):
Posted by: Helena | Apr 11 2023 15:19 utc | 220
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Interesting, more logical than my hypothesis, that the original docs had already been dipped in yellow Kool-aid. 🙂

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2023 17:54 utc | 224

Concerning the “Nord Stream I/II” attacks – assumptions till today from any sides/commentators :
Pls forget that discussion here on MoA, unless having some of a lot more detailled/testimoned of of that Mr. Hersh’s publicly leaed infos.
All about further will be a part of speculations, even though the US is defintely the actor of that “Nord Stream -II” explosions – so far – we all know by clear-mind understanding..
Another current sleeping issue is, how will the US/UK further being reacting towards UKR-Strategy (“UKR newly planned Offensives towards Crimea via southern areas Zapa. & Kherson region crossing the Djnepr river .. (have that changed today?) we just do not know ..!
So giving an advice to RF and Wagner’s planning within next days :
Try to open another “War – Accident”, wherever possible to focus CIA/Mi6 to a new “War” issue, that may started within next 3 weeks .. Have time to prepare on that by CIA .. (@Mexico) ?
All best to MoAs- I’m only thinking – but may keep that idea of another newly established “Frontline” against US/UK silently in Your mind. Thanks.

Posted by: spre_truth | Apr 11 2023 18:26 utc | 225

My sender name on last comment was mis-spelled (missing an A) :
Posted by: spre_truth | Apr 11 2023 18:26 utc | 225
must be corrected as:
Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 18:26 utc | 225
Thanks for that correction – but we’ve to wait a long while today what Wagners will ongoing in Bakhmut / Artemovsk, allowed & commanded by the RU MoD – there are different operational issues meanings still today.
So let’s wait, but US/U/EU military support is transferring day-by-day towards UKR-East !

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 18:38 utc | 226

Am so glad the NYT called Azov a former right wing militia incorporated into the national guard rather than a right wing former militia. We all should be as sensitive considering how easy people change their political views these days.

Posted by: GS | Apr 11 2023 18:45 utc | 227

Boo | Apr 11 2023 11:29 utc | 188
The Donbass Devushka site is back with 64k followers but all the content before today has gone. Tweets still protected.
I had my box on ‘sleep’ rather than shutdown for a few days, and I had simultaneously the ‘old’ DD with 64k followers in one tab, and lots of history, and the ‘new version’, same URL, with 200 followers on a new tab. By this evening the history had vanished from the old version and the two looked identical, as they should with the same URL. I assume the 200 followers on ‘new’ were ones added since yesterday.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 11 2023 18:52 utc | 228

FROM RSH Apr 11 2023 1:51 utc | 116
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As Big Serge and Simplicius and Brian Berletic have analyzed, the alleged Ukrainian forces are not nearly enough to achieve what it is alleged they want to achieve: the cutting of the land bridge to Crimea. They all cover their butts by suggesting not to underestimate Ukraine, but frankly I call bullshit. Ukraine has zero chance of achieving anything except more massive losses.
In addition to the other comments in RSH’s posting, the above observation presents a critical insight into Z’s emphasis on Bakhmut.
The reason the UAF is being deployed to its own destruction in Bakhmut is because the UAF lacks the military capacity to attack at any other location (apart from futile and militarily meaningless pin-prick attacks such as the marine drone attack on Sevastopol, the assorted minor cross border forays into Russian territory, the intermittent long range HIMARS attacks, or the random senseless shelling of civilian Donetsk).
Z’s primary benefactor has convinced itself Z is winning. Z is unlikely to attempt to pop that balloon as doing so runs the risk of turning off the billion dollar Biden spigot and the various rusted military transfers and hand-me-downs on offer from NATOstan.
Z has been needlessly sacrificing his own population in the attempt to maintain the illusion of “success.” The vassal always tells his overlord only what the overlord wishes to hear – no more, no less.
The American “elites” demand the illusion because it fits with their false image of themselves as “indispensable warriors,” “fearless promoters of democracy,” and the godless “American way of life.”
NATOstan, the leaders of the rest of the world, the literate global public, have all been delivered of a Wizard of Oz moment. The “leaker” has acted in the role of Dorothy and pulled aside the big curtain to reveal nothing backstage but octogenarian Biden and his mighty Wurlitzer which spews nothing but lies and endlessly profitable falsehoods.
Once this perception of reality gains traction, the toothpaste will be out of the tube forever. No pleadings by press lord Kirby, or wilful blindness on the part of the MSM, will ever restore the prior delusional mirage. To borrow a catch phrase from the great Dizzy Dean: “You can stick a fork in America. Its done.”

Posted by: S | Apr 11 2023 18:59 utc | 229

Not sure how that happened. Posted without my filling in all the blanks.
karlof1
I was quoting Big Serge. He asked a question that I believe he fully answered in a prior paragraph. Your response post I agree with. I think we are basically of the same view.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 11 2023 19:03 utc | 230

Posted by: GS | Apr 11 2023 18:45 utc | 227

… We all should be as sensitive considering how easy people change their political views these days…

No! “how easy people change their political views these days” depends on Your daily info come-in by any of Your’s used media ..
So, be aware about what’s Your daily info channels might be (YouTube, Google News, Microsoft MSN News, DK, Swedish, Finnlande, France, German or Hungria, Estonia, or even US-like CNN, CNBC “Online news” ?
Please, You may be a little bit careful, before relying on those above mentioned INTERNET channels here for discussing the “War” in Ukraine. The US/UK is starting now the worst civilian slaughter OPs that You could imagine ..! That’s going on in UR, just now…
So I’ve given an advice to the Wagner’s Groups Chief : There is a very good possibilty to switch now and earn some more “money” as in today’s fighting in Bakhmut/Artemovsk with heavy losses on-ground on high located buildings, by-Mined that High-Buildings, so keep distance from that approach further on !
@Mr. P. – Wagners Chief:
You can go on to some Mexico’s South borders areas (in front of US-Texas) or elsewhere You (Wagners), but not agaimst Ukraine/NATO equipment, if supported next year ..
But Mr. P., pls. do not “continue” Your battle of Your soldiers as a waste where it makes no sense !

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 19:12 utc | 231

@Don Bacon | Apr 11 2023 14:03 utc | 203

MR. MEAGHER:(Public Affairs) I would like to highlight that they present a very serious risk to national security and have the potential to spread disinformation.

Is Mr. Meagher suggesting, that the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community is feeding disinformation to the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
…or does disinformation simply mean “facts we do not want the public to know?”

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2023 19:13 utc | 232

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2023 19:13 utc | 232

.. Is Mr. Meagher suggesting, that the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community is feeding disinformation to the Joint Chiefs of Staff? ..

I mean, the matter of planned & distributed “disinformation” is always a “good” measure to be spread for the “Unnown people”.
That’s an old story & an old strategy by the US-Americans & the UK remaining Intels – since when (1989.. before) about more than 100 years ago.
So, what is remaining just now hearing from US/UK media, today ?
Nohting about the fact that they are just declining worldwide, everywhere ..
So let’s wait. The TAIWAN street is the next goal, after “solving” the UKR-Conflict.
The China has nowadays “big power” shown in “its” street between its mainland and the “Isle”.
The US is firing a lot of new provocations on that TAIWAN Street (Military Atomic suported Cruisers crossing in TAIWAN Street) ..
Double-Front war making by US/UK/Australia won’t work just todays.
But that’s the aim of US+Partners and the TAIWAN provocation target that is focused by the current USA-Government, plus CIA & adjacently involved Biden-like Thin(k)Tanks …
These Tanks are very Thin, but not “Thinking” as they should do ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 20:06 utc | 233

Note beside:
A number of “horrible” online videos have been posted since 3 days the latest, that showing the waste of either UR and Wagner’S soldiers.
That’s not a really good “taste” on the “War” in Uranian regions.
The only thing is, instead, to fight that NAZI-Selensky piano-cock-show player to leave to Israel on his 3-Million assets there.
What the succesor of Mr. Elendsky migth be, is determined by a US/CIA-Officials decision.
What Mr. Scholz’s healthy and his lovely Miss Baerbock (Foreign Minister) futures might be .. I do not know now ..
But above mentioned 2 persons should be aware of the fact, that they are further “aims” of an attack – either by words – or an assasination .. (sorry, only my personal mimd) .

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 20:38 utc | 234

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 14:09 utc | 206
have copied that article translated to English and all of those pictures along with the original five pictures to a new folder on my Google Drive.
Cheers RSH.🏆

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 21:18 utc | 235

Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2023 19:13 utc | 232
Is Mr. Meagher suggesting, that the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community is feeding disinformation to the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
That’s *exactly* my hypothesis as to why Jake Sullivan and his coterie of “intel” hit the panic button on this.
They care naught what we see or think….but the leaks expose the piss-poor (err, disturbingly wrong) intel being circulated internally.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 21:26 utc | 236

John Helmer has a delightful and amusing take on the leaks:
https://johnhelmer.net/the-writing-on-the-wall-as-revealed-by-the-pentagon-papers-leak/#more-87795

Breedlove is an air force general who didn’t quite make it to USAF chief of staff; because of that he couldn’t reach upward as far as the Joint Chiefs. Instead, he was promoted out of Washington and out of the post of Vice Chief of the USAF into European and NATO commands, rising to become Supreme Allied Commander Europe, and that’s where he stopped. Breedlove ended his career as the superior to Germans, British, Poles, and Slovenes, but he remained subordinate to Americans.
The two ex-fighter pilots Breedlove and Brown are gunning for wars they can win, so long as they can minimise the risk of getting shot down. Breedlove’s official biography claims he flew 3,500 hours on F-16s, but never faced hostile fire in combat. Brown’s official biography claims he has flown “more than 3,000 flying hours”, including 130 “combat hours”; these appear to have occurred in Korea against an unidentified adversary or target which did not fire at him.
Until now their promotions have depended on not losing wars they say they want to fight. Now on the Ukrainian battlefield they are in a war they say they want to fight, but it’s one they know they risk losing more decisively than any combat engagement either of them has ever faced in their careers. Brown has much more to risk still than Breedlove.
All of this is on display in the qualifiers, conditionals, counterfactuals, and cautions of the new round of Pentagon leaks to the newspaper.

But there is much much more so go there for a chuckle and good information and links.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 11 2023 21:31 utc | 237

Melaleuca, Don Bacon, Petri Krohn, and others–
…or does disinformation simply mean “facts we do not want the public to know?”
That reminds me of the Pentagon Papers that were (mostly) facts the gov didn’t want its citizenry to know, which is why they were leaked. Some of the PPs facts were already in the public domain, somewhat similar to this leak, but is such a comparison, as S implies, warranted?

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 21:41 utc | 238

My comment to RSH from dregs of last thread:
Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 14:09 utc | 206
have copied that article translated to English and all of those pictures along with the original five pictures to a new folder on my Google Drive.
Cheers RSH.🏆
And:
Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2023 19:13 utc | 232
Is Mr. Meagher suggesting, that the Pentagon and the Intelligence Community is feeding disinformation to the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
That’s *exactly* my hypothesis as to why Jake Sullivan and his coterie of “intel” hit the panic button on this.
They care naught what we see or think….but the leaks expose the piss-poor (err, disturbingly wrong) intel being circulated internally.
@ Outrage: … the leak first appeared on 4chan, then rapidly to Donbass Deshuva.
Once on Russian telegram it was *of course* dismissed and denigrated as “Russian” disinformation.
But as Petri Krohn, myself, and others think… it’s actually internal US intel disnfo …
I say, from one cohort, such as Nuland-Sullivan-Blinken. They’ve been caught out providing wrong intel and this will feed the incendiary internal battles within State, Pentagon, CIA, and the alphabet soup of agencies.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 22:02 utc | 239

THE HILL:”Dwindling weapons, leaked Ukraine-Russia docs raise pressure on US government ”
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3943174-dwindling-weapons-leaked-ukraine-russia-docs-raise-pressure-on-us-government/
This view may explain the reason for the leak. So that it did not happen quite so accidentally and improperly for the Falcons.

Posted by: Johnny | Apr 11 2023 22:06 utc | 240

karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 21:41 utc | 238
Comparison to Pentagon Papers?
Not really.
The PP were a shock to a naive and trusting US public in a more innocent time.
As I said above ^
This leak has ripped the cloak away from intel that’s being circulated *internally*, and exposed why the USNATO Ukrainian conflict is a shitshow.
Presumably on ground and in country assets are providing realistic (bar fog if war) assessment. And this info is hitting the Nuland ISW, Blinken, Sullivan clique, and being “adjusted” and fabricated.
Sullivan doesn’t care what a disengaged US public think about Ukraine, but he’s terrified he’s been discovered providing blatantly wrong intel, and this is being used to conduct the war.
PP had US troops dying. The US public were directly affected and disturbed at the flag draped coffins. No one gives a fuck about Ukraine.
To the last Ukrainian yeeeeehaaaa. ! If it takes 10 Ukrainians to kill one Russian, in an “Albright” world- “it’s worth it”. Because a dead Russian is a good Russian.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 22:12 utc | 241

Just to clarify: comment #229 by “S” was actually written by Sushi, who experienced some technical difficulties, which led to his/her username being cut off after the first character.

Posted by: S | Apr 11 2023 22:31 utc | 242

@ Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 22:02 utc | 239
Am aware of the distribution chain, posted such. Have been pointing out there are internal factions opposed to the conflict continuing since Dec’22, especially so DOD/DIA. ‘Disinfo’ ‘internal’ to US agencies/Depts is one thing as opposed to the fatuous & widespread assertions the documents are not authentic. Authentic/legitimate does not necessarily mean wholly accurate nor so in detail. Have posted on the consequences re the compromised Docu re internal & inter-allied Intel & consequential political consequences when first leaked. These issues are being deliberately conflated & misrepresented to confuse & dismiss by obvious posters, including targeted personal attacks, along with the usuals …
The compromised shaping of Intel for higher political factions purposes started with the Persian Gulf War ’91 & was on full display re Iraq War ’03, re WMDs, Al Qaeda, babies & incubators, aluminum tubes, Curveball, etc, by neocons silo cells force-feeding politicized/fabricated shit into the system. And this has somehow not continued, gotten worse, in the two decades since ? See, ISW, BellingCrap, Oryx, Obama/Trump/Biden, etc …

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2023 22:41 utc | 243

Authentic/legitimate does not necessarily mean wholly accurate nor so in detail.
^ABSOLUTELY agree. And share the frustration.
These issues are being deliberately conflated & misrepresented to confuse & dismiss by obvious posters, including targeted personal attacks, along with the usuals …
And ABSOLUTELY agree.
It’s been simultaneously fascinating and frustrating here and a few other blogs.
Say, Larry Johnson. Reading his first column from a few days ago, it was obvious he knew *nothing* about who, where, why of the leak. His only “usefulness” was being able to give a 98-2% chance the docs were authentic as they seemed to look like work product he was familiar with.
It’s been (is *amusing?*) the correct word? To watch the swarm to “authority” on this… Johnson, Yves Smith, Lira….. and none of them knew where or why the docs had entered the wild.
All sorts of theories and second guessing and assertions …. and the 4chan post was a pure ego-rush by a spleeg.
Now. Where the 4channer originally accessed the 4pages…(the original leak) (the extra pages came a day or so later, taking cover from the noise of the first 4 pages) .. that’s what’s got Nuland+ ISW++++ panicked.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 23:11 utc | 244

Outraged @242–
I suggest watching this @25 minute interview of Alastair Crooke by Judge Napolitano which I commented upon on the current Ukraine thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 23:18 utc | 245

@ karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 23:18 utc | 244
Good short summary, though little new to those paying attention. Stated many times Classified Docu comprise ~85% open source. Knew & stated they were legitimate day one. Been briefing re AFU Theater status in detail for six months, re Formations/ADS/Munitions/Materiel. Frankly anyone strenuously decrying the leaked Docu as fraudulent/manipulated/Disinfo Psy-OPs to mislead Joe Public, is either deluded/ignorant or acting on behalf of Empire.
US/NATO/5-Eyes unity is cracking. The Proxy Ukraine War kinetic outcome was determined 6-8 months ago. All this is accelerant on the bonfire of Empires collapse.
As you know, what he refers to re disenchanted service members is why one exited. Very far from alone given last 30 years. Obama was the knife in the heart of constitutionalists in service, following on from Cheney, Wolfowitz & Co. All the accumulated Blowback coming to the fore, into play.
Yes!
@ Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 23:11 utc | 243
All good. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 12 2023 0:08 utc | 246

karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 23:18 utc | 244
Watched
Worth the 30mins
Thanks

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 12 2023 0:32 utc | 247

Posted by: S | Apr 11 2023 22:31 utc | 241
Just to clarify: comment #229 by “S” was actually written by Sushi, who experienced some technical difficulties, which led to his/her username being cut off after the first character.

Apologies for any confusion caused.
Sushi

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 12 2023 1:10 utc | 248

@TG ” but hear me out: maybe the reason that the Russians are having such a hard time taking Bakhmut, is because there is nobody there!”
I have wondered exactly how hard they are trying. If you accept for a moment that the reason they are fighting the Ukrainians is to destroy Ukraine’s military and neutralize a threat, as opposed to over territory, they are letting the Ukrainians come to them so they can be killed. I have no idea what sort of loss ratio is acceptable to the Russians but this may explain a lot.

Posted by: ian | Apr 12 2023 2:27 utc | 249

S | Apr 11 2023 18:59 utc | 229
Here we can by bags of pilchards for fishing. Ukraine is nothing more than that.
If I move to another analogy, then US has grabbed a tiger by the tail.
Take care S. This is the war of the worlds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2023 2:50 utc | 250

Sushi | Apr 12 2023 1:10 utc | 247
Well you just totally fucked my last comment. Keep on keeping on Sushi. There is nothing like honesty.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2023 2:54 utc | 251

karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 23:18 utc | 244
“I suggest watching this @25 minute interview of Alastair Crooke by Judge Napolitano”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGRjJzBO1i8
Those fools that still post here with a woke agenda…. I am not up to expanding on this. Perhaps I am foolish but I believe all people were born with a brain.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 12 2023 3:06 utc | 252

In short: these “leaks” – a mediocre attempt to throw in disinformation (regarding the “Ukrainian counteroffensive” for sure) by American warmongers. Boring. Can’t they come up with something more interesting? CIA and other NATO propagandists – do your best, try harder.

Posted by: alaff | Apr 12 2023 9:59 utc | 253

I am a bit puzzled by the drip-drip character of those “leaked” documents. Nobody has seen them yet we see the NY Times with yet another disclosure.
M is not the only one who would like to see those documents. Most newspapers and lots of people want the same. So the moment you would expect them to be widely distributed the moment they become available.
So I wonder whether there is someone who “owns” those documents and is slowly distributing them.

Posted by: Wim | Apr 12 2023 10:05 utc | 254

(You, Too, Can and Should Be an “Intelligence Analyst”)
Ray McGovern wrote:
Consider, for example, the daring recruitment in mid-2002 of Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister, Naji Sabri, who was successfully “turned” into working for the CIA and quickly established his credibility. Sabri told us there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
My former colleagues, perhaps a bit naively, were quite sure this would come as a welcome relief to President George W. Bush and his advisers. Instead, they were told that the White House had no further interest in reporting from Sabri; rather, that the issue was not really WMD, it was “regime change.” (Don’t feel embarrassed if you did not know this; although it is publicly available, our corporate- owned, war profiteering media has largely suppressed this key story.)

Gabriel Kolko wrote:
It is all too rare that states overcome illusions, and the United States is no more an exception than Germany, Italy, England, or France before it. The function of intelligence anywhere is far less to encourage rational behavior–although sometimes that occurs–than to justify a nation’s illusions, and it is the false expectations that conventional wisdom encourages that make wars more likely, a pattern that has only increased since the early twentieth century. By and large, US, Soviet, and British strategic intelligence since 1945 has been inaccurate and often misleading, and although it accumulated pieces of information that were useful, the leaders of these nations failed to grasp the inherent dangers of their overall policies. When accurate, such intelligence has been ignored most of the time if there were overriding preconceptions or bureaucratic reasons for doing so.

Posted by: john | Apr 12 2023 10:20 utc | 255

Wishful thinking (and lies. bluffs, double-bluffs, and believing your own propaganda) is as old as mud. Happened in Korea, in Viet Nam (famous for it), WWII and WWI, and most likely played a part when the Gruds defeated the Thogs 😛
Nothing new and perhaps only ever so slightly easier to identify now than before (or maybe not).
The “leaks” and the hoopla surrounding them (one doesn’t endlessly jabber on about stuff one wants to keep secret) looks like garbage to me and it also looks like they’ll continue to be garbage no matter if they grow to 500 or 5000 pages. That’s just me though. It seems nothing of particular interest has been revealed so far except maybe a small rumor or two but considering the source (the US) it’s worthless.
However in case it’s a real attempt at a leak it should be applauded and encouraged, it’s not a genuine leaker’s fault if the source material is rubbish rampant with delusions and idiocy 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 12 2023 11:16 utc | 256

I’ve been of the view that the same someone who tipped Sy Hersh on the NordStream act of war may just be the leaker of the 100 pages and is pissed MSM has ignored Hersh. I recall reading Sy mentioned “SCIF.” a person in the know. And as Sy promised his first revelation on the details, may not be the last — there’s much more.
Biden and his handlers should be, well, looking over their shoulders — to 1963 a date certain.
New from Sy Hersh:
Nord Stream Sabotage Led to ‘Total Breakdown’ Between White House, Intel Community – Seymour Hersh

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – The sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines and lack of strategic planning with regard to Ukraine have caused a growing rift between the White House and the US intelligence community, investigative journalist Seymour Hersh said in a new article on Wednesday, citing an intelligence official.
“There is a total breakdown between the White House leadership and the intelligence community,” the intelligence official was quoted by Hersh as saying.
The alleged rift dates back to the covert operation last fall to blow up Russia’s Nord Stream pipelines, a move that was purportedly ordered by President Joe Biden.
“Destroying the Nord Stream pipelines was never discussed, or even known in advance, by the community,” the official said.
Another issue dividing the Biden administration and the intelligence community is the lack of planning on Ukraine. The official highlighted Biden’s decision to deploy two brigades a few miles from the Ukrainian border in response to Russia’s special military operation.
The actual manpower of the 101st and 82nd airborne divisions could total more than 20,000, but there is still “no evidence that any senior official in the White House really knows what’s going on in” the brigades, the intelligence officials told Hersh.
“Are they there as part of a NATO exercise or to serve with NATO combat units if the West decides to engage Russians units inside Ukraine? Are they there to train or to be a trigger? The rules of engagement say they can’t attack Russians unless our boys are getting attacked,” the official said.
The official said that while the White House lacks clarity on its policy in Ukraine, the Pentagon is somewhat optimistically preparing for an end to the conflict. Two months ago, the US Joint Chiefs tasked members of the staff with drafting an end-of-war treaty to present to the Russians “after their defeat on the Ukraine battlefield,” Hersh said, citing a source.[.]
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230412/seymour-hersh-nord-stream-sabotage-led-to-total-breakdown-between-white-house-intel-community-1109392166.html

Yes, What if Russia is not defeated, what then? 1964, Vietnam, US boots suckered in Or should I write, more US troops suckered into UKR?

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 12 2023 15:13 utc | 257

Wow Likklemore that is/would be a terrifying level of self-deception by the US Joint Chiefs. What happens when reality hits home?
Or is it a result of something much worse already taken as a given? Planned use of bios or nukes?
Either they’re insane …or they’re insane 🙁

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 12 2023 16:19 utc | 258

Everyone seems to have forgotten about when the generals admitted they were lying to Trump (Commander in Chief) on Syria because “they knew better” (sic) At this point ever part of the bureaucracy can be lying to all the others about nearly everything for their own gain.
And that “doc” looks like a cheap colorful corporate bullshit pitch powerpoint. So it’s probably genuine.

Posted by: Bottomfeeder | Apr 12 2023 22:16 utc | 259

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 6:25 utc | 159
Go be a weenie somewhere else
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 11 2023 6:39 utc | 161
I don’t think you know what the word means.

Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Apr 13 2023 9:11 utc | 260