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April 21, 2023

Ukraine Open Thread 2023-96

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Russian President Putin made an unexpected trip to Ukraine.

Video https://twitter.com/AbrahamStein8/status/1649466825074155524?s=20

Posted by: Dave Oneil | Apr 21 2023 17:36 utc | 1

Jens the Jerk appears intent on proving that a NATO Sec-Gen is a Washington sock-puppet. Wonder how long he takes to memorise his lines, assuming he does. A NATO Sec-Gen is by tradition a military ignoramus whose sole duty is to mouth stupid lines written for him nb some 'communications' character. NATO without Uncle Sam is nothing. Witness its limp-wristed record in Afghanistan and Iraq.It would be ... unfortunate if NATO targeting were applied to Jens and the other clowns who visit KIev to mug with Zelensky, the Beggar King. The private residences of defence chiefs and the like would vanish in smoke - a bit like private residences in Libya which had an antenna to receive TV signals considered as a military communications system.

Posted by: DilNir | Apr 21 2023 17:46 utc | 2

Poor Jens. Dude sounds like a talking toy thats broken and mixing up its dialogues.

"Ukraine will join NATO... whatever it takes... slava... beep... rubles... bop.... ammunitions... amunitions.. amunitions... beep.. beep... beeeeeep"

LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Apr 21 2023 17:57 utc | 3

Through the fog of war and deafening propaganda I get glimpses of the truth. The truth I glimpse is that the Russians are slowly winning, and it's driving Washington and NATO ever further into insanity and desperation. Something that does not bode well for anyone.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Apr 21 2023 18:02 utc | 4

To Kike (5)

Only when referring to yourself.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Apr 21 2023 18:05 utc | 5

@Kike

You are welcome to go elsewhere

Posted by: Chris N | Apr 21 2023 18:11 utc | 6

This whole Ukraine war is a waste of money, resources and lives. The US has spent 120 Billion on this fiasco. Let's put that in context-- NIH spends 6 Billion a year on cancer research. The outcomes for metastatic disease are the same they were in the 1980s. What f$%#ing waste. I can't get research money but they spend shit tons on this--why? You could make money treating people with cancer. There is a huge market -- cancer will kill 30% of us.

Posted by: cj | Apr 21 2023 18:17 utc | 7

At the moment, the AFU retains control over no more than 10% of the city: Ukrainian troops are located in the residential districts of Novy and Cheryoma, schools No. 18 and are defending from Chernyakhovsky Street in Khromov. The "orchestra" presses the enemy from the north in the area of Metallurg Boulevard and Alley of Roses, in parallel — on the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who are trying to leave the city in small groups on one or two cars. FAB—120/250 bombs with planning and correction modules (MPC), as well as guided artillery shells "Krasnopol" are actively used for targets both in the immediate vicinity of Artemovsk and in the depth of the AFU defense — Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka and Chasov Yar. This makes it even more difficult and slow down the supply of the group, which cannot hold out without help.

What options do the APU have?

The first option is to throw reinforcements into the city and either continue the defense or cover the retreat. According to preliminary estimates, the total losses of the AFU killed, wounded, missing and prisoners both inside and around Artemovsk, including reinforcements destroyed almost every day, reach 650-730 people per day.

In order to hold the city, the AFU is preparing to send the 93rd mechanized brigade and the reserve of the 117th Territorial Defense Brigade, prepared for a counteroffensive, to Artemovsk. In the western quarters of the city, these troops should strengthen the units of the 92nd OMBR of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, whose losses are estimated at 65%.

The second option is to retreat along asphalt roads. Most of the roads between Artemovsk and neighboring cities are not only shot through by the artillery of the orchestra and the Airborne Forces, but also seriously damaged. Heavy machinery cannot pass over some bridges and crossings. This means that on the other side, the retreating units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must transfer to another transport. It is almost impossible to do this safely.

The third option is to retreat across the fields

It has been raining in Artemovsk for almost the entire past week, and precipitation will continue next week. Because of this, the fields will turn into impassable terrain again. It will be difficult to break through them quickly in such conditions, even on tanks, not to mention pickups and other vehicles. Any stuck APU equipment will almost immediately fall under artillery fire and will be disabled, and after that, the Ukrainian military will have to overcome the five-kilometer section between Chasov Yar and Artemivsk on foot.

The fourth option is a distracting flank counterattack

If the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine feels that control over Artemivsk is finally being lost, 80,000 reserves from the Districts of Alexandrovka, Konstantinovka, Predtechino, Nikolaevka and Dzerzhinsk will probably be brought into battle.

Posted by: Artemovsk trl | Apr 21 2023 18:23 utc | 8

Kike

Who do you think should be the next US Prez ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 21 2023 18:28 utc | 9

,, did any of us ever imagine : Open Borders, Energy elimination [ oil, Gas ] govt. promoted inflation , forced Climate Control Program , eliminating Gas powered Vehicles, Govt. promoting sex change, Govt. promoting trans-men in women sports , some Govt.permitting non US Citizens to vote , Politicized FBI. CIA, Justice Dept.and more ! Looks like a New World ..

Posted by: leocz | Apr 21 2023 18:30 utc | 10

i for one are happy stoltenberg thinks Ukraine belongs in NATO, it can only speed up its own collapse. rules based order will change the same rules, spoken less than 12 months ago that excluded ukraine . ROW watches

Posted by: hankster | Apr 21 2023 18:38 utc | 11

"This whole Ukraine war is a waste of money, resources and lives. The US has spent 120 Billion on this fiasco"

Well, the money is not gone. It's just in someone else's pocket. (and 10 percent for the big guy).

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 21 2023 18:48 utc | 12

I think this this guy definitively proved the NATO leaks, or at least the initial one, was legitimate. It is interesting to see Larry Johnson claim the opposite, then write 2-3 posts gradually backpeddling. https://youtu.be/1Vus6dflXns

Posted by: Bill | Apr 21 2023 18:57 utc | 13

“by: Dave Oneil | Apr 21 2023 17:36 utc | 1”

“Russian President Putin made an unexpected trip to Ukraine.”

No he didn’t. He made an unexpected trip to western Russia, specifically Kherson and Lugansk.

Posted by: Dalit | Apr 21 2023 19:04 utc | 14

Just in case you thought the Ruskies are out of ammo and equipped only with shovels! Well, British "military intelligence" is never wrong (or dishonest), is it?

https://youtu.be/ZUYqnR-FomI

Posted by: Bill | Apr 21 2023 19:19 utc | 15

Elensky: Give us that F-16 Biden my love.
Biden: Why should I give it to you?
It's our birthday and we wantss it.

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Apr 21 2023 19:32 utc | 16

Apollyon @ 13
"This whole Ukraine war is a waste of money, resources and lives.

The US has spent 120 Billion on this fiasco"

They've been pumping money into UKR since at least 2014. Official govt budget for money spent in Afghanistan is 2.3 Trillion - with a "T", the real amount is very likely twice that. At this point The Big Guy is so senile and with no son to act as bagman I'm sure multiple people are stealing his lunch money hand over fist. Lucha libre meets money shower.

No ones going to crash this gravy train, if someone tries they'll be tossed duffel bags of money till they cave in. Not sure why Biden doesn't just go up to Trump and say I'll cut you in for 3% if you pull out of the race! Too greedy of his own good.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 19:36 utc | 17

I still do not understand the Ukrainian fixation on joining the EU and NATO. It’s a cruel joke to keep dangling membership to those who so desperately want it that they destroy their own countrymen by the tens of thousands for the mere hope of being a part of a debt riddled, deeply flawed EU/NATO.

After years of this “hope farming”, you would think a few in Ukraine would get wise to the scam and at least attempt to get leverage to their advantage for a change. Even my dogs get wise to me when I fake throwing the toy for their amusement. I can only imagine they keep thinking that they will be allowed in if they keep throwing their virgins into the volcano of war, only the volcano doesn’t care, and the desired result never achieved. Back to Odessa then to kidnap more “virgins” to throw to their deaths, for America’s interests.

Is it a sickness? Whose, ultimately? Ukraine or the West? I say YES!

Posted by: Fudup | Apr 21 2023 19:37 utc | 18

Our source reports that many in Ukrainian society draw parallels between providing for those mobilized in Ukraine and those mobilized in Russia.

It turns out that the Russians are paying 250,000 rubles (almost 3,000 dollars) to all those mobilized. This is without any conditions, where the mobilized is now, and in Ukraine they introduced a gradation and now 100 thousand hryvnias and additional payments are received only by those who are fighting, and those who are in the rear receive a penny, while 30 thousand allowances were taken away! Nobody from the Office of the President reacts to this situation and there is a certain imbalance in relation to those mobilized in Ukraine and Russia.

Such an attitude towards the soldiers on the part of the Ze-office is a negative factor that affects, among other things, the morale of the fighters. The soldiers see that deputies, officials, the government, members of the supervisory boards and other rear jackals charge themselves huge bonuses and allowances, sitting in warm offices and risking nothing, but the attitude towards the soldiers is "bestial".


https://t.me/legitimniy/15182

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 19:37 utc | 19

Poland no longer hides that it is fully preparing for a full-scale war.

Business Insider Polska reports that the Polish government is working on a public administration plan in case of war in Poland. The draft resolution is published on the website of the Ministry of Defense of the country. The rationale states that we are talking about ensuring the smooth management of the state, as well as monitoring and minimizing, as well as eliminating the consequences of threats to the security of the state.

One of the most important changes is the expansion of the powers of the prime minister. The head of government will be able to "flexibly form the composition of the national security management system."

The regulation provides for additional training for the main leadership position of the prime minister, president or ministers in a place other than the permanent seat of these bodies. These will be their "reserve jobs". In addition, the document suggests that if the Prime Minister or the President decides to switch to a "reserve job", the Minister of Interior and Administration will be responsible for this, based on the operational plans developed in his ministry.

The resolution was submitted for approval within the government and at the level of governors. If approved, the new rules will take effect within 14 days.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/17391

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 19:41 utc | 20

Looking at our brain dead drive-by troll I think the Langley guys stopped paying even minimum wage, just put up a sign on the lawn: "Work Available, Free Beer & Pizza."

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 19:42 utc | 21

@ Mark2, §10:
R F Kennedy Jr.

Posted by: John Marks | Apr 21 2023 19:50 utc | 22

‼️🏴‍☠️They will come and try to tear us apart, we must be ready: Prigozhin on the imminent counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
▪️NATO can prepare 100,000 soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 3-4 months - this is a lot. 8000 completed and returned home - this is also not bad, although not a very large number. Their losses today are significant. But today we are killing those who were preparing in Ukraine, and these will come from Germany, they will be technologically educated. The West donated 230 tanks and 1,500 other armored vehicles. This is also a sufficient amount to provide serious opposition.
The jokes are over. It is necessary not only to anchor, but to anchor in such a way that it is possible to tear out only with the claws of the opponent.
▪️When will the offensive of Ukraine? Ukraine constantly worries us that it is about to launch an offensive. They are waiting for us to stop taking it seriously and not tense up anymore, but thought they were morons and did not respond to their cries.
▪️Today the offensive does not start for obvious reasons: it is a monstrous slush. Today, even "pickup trucks" do not normally pass through the fields, not to mention the "Urals", heavy equipment, up to tanks. The soil still needs to dry out for 10 days. When will they come? They will make their own decision, but the fact is that they will attack.
❗️ Therefore, we must be ready ten times, so that it does not happen again, as it was in 1941, when they chewed snot and reported to Stalin that everything was in order, there was an agreement with Germany. There is no contract and never will be. They will come and try to tear us apart, and we must resist. Mom will not come, mom died, so now they are on their own, as in an orphanage, for themselves.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/28714

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2023 20:13 utc | 23

People of the free world....

Take a good look at America's finest intellect....

Kike @ 5 & 17

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 21 2023 20:26 utc | 24

Hey barflies!

Don't feed the obvious trolls or you look like one

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2023 20:32 utc | 25

b
not a fan of censorship but perhaps there should ne an age requirement. do we think this is safe space for the very young only just grown out of pooey bum into racist shock words.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 21 2023 20:53 utc | 26

kike @ 29
Well sonny thats all very interesting, but this is the Uraine thread so your off topic.

Maybe wait for the racest scum bag thread or find another planet.

I'l put you down as a trump supporter then.

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 21 2023 21:05 utc | 27

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2023 20:32 utc | 28


Troll Song - Трололо И Trololo Song И Я Очерь Рад, Ведь Я Наконец

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 21 2023 21:07 utc | 28

Several reports that the Wagners have captured some hundreds of meters of the last supply road and that the Ukros are mounting huge counter-offensives to try to push the Wagners back -- time for some FABs and Tulip 260 mm mortars to do some severe damage to the massed Ukro force.

Posted by: chet380 | Apr 21 2023 21:08 utc | 29

Russia Today, today:

"Germany okays Ukrainian strikes on Russian soil

Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has argued that such attacks are “fully normal” as long as the civilian population is not affected"

Beyond brinksmanship. Envision, if only for a split second, Belarus utterly neutralizing Poland. This German "Defense Minister" hasn't thought through what's going on here. Tomorrow does come.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 21 2023 21:08 utc | 30

An interesting take from Masno/TG.

"‼️🇺🇸🇺🇦 The United States has long warned Ukraine about the possible encirclement of Bakhmut, - The Washington Post

The Washington Post, citing secret Pentagon documents allegedly leaked to the Web, reported that Washington persuaded Kyiv to leave Artemivsk because the United States believed that Ukrainian militants would not be able to keep the city.

The publication notes that Washington warned Kyiv in early January about the upcoming encirclement of Artemovsk. A leaked “top secret” document said Russia’s “permanent” advance since November “endangered Ukraine’s ability to hold the city.”

True, Kyiv ignored the warnings, the newspaper writes."
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/28682
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Hmm Ukraine mite be closer to collapse than it seems this is a very bad sign for Ukraine. Media military industrial complex is prepping the western population for the standard narrative to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the annihilation of their proxies. The brave band of democratic freedom fighters that we must support until ultimate victory are going to transform into stupid stubborn ungrateful thieving cowards. The west gave them everything they could possibly need to defeat the useless Russian military/convict meatshields and their drunken illiterate officers.

If the Ukrainians had just listened to the military geniuses that are the Generals that lead the undefeated, ever victorious invincible armies of NATO they would have crushed the Russians like a bug. Russia would no longer exist and Putin would be on trial for war crimes. But no the stupid Ukes just wouldn't listen. Even worse it turns they've been deceiving us this whole TIME!!!!! They haven't been using the money and we sent them they've been stealing it and selling the weapons. Oh poor trusting noble people of the west from the highest president to the humblest nobody have been betrayed again. Why why is it are eternal fate to be fooled over and over again into supporting what we thought were good people but in fact they were preying on our kind and generous nature. They knew that due to our principled morality and our righteous fury we HAVE TO ALWAYS stick up for the little guy across the world. If there is one thing the west absolutely cannot abide its a bully. Just look at the people we called dictators that we killed. Well enough is enough we've spent to much blood treasure on these ungrateful cowardly lying thieves and their shithole country. Well if they aren't willing to fight to the death for their shithole country why should we. If you aren't dead then you don't deserve to be alive period. Well that's it enough is enough we are leaving right now forget the bags leave we've spent to much blood and treasure on these things we can't stay another second.

What no of course you can't come with us you dont deserve to come our great noble countries you stay here where you belong on your shithole. You say if you stay then the people we told you fight will kill you? Well you should have thought of that before you decided to lose despite our best efforts to help you. Oh yes and we will be taking your entire national treasurers and seizing all your foreign assets. You people can't be trusted with money. Oh yeah and food no food for you. OK NATO heroes where to next where are these plucky little guys being oppressed by whoever we've decided are our enemies this week. What? No of course we need to go help. What do you mean you are worried it'll end the same it ended every time of course well win this time and then we will be charge of everything forever. There is no way we can't win we couldn't lose if we tried. How am I so certain of this because I want it. I want it to be true so its true. The end.


Time and time again it continues to be emphasized that the main reason EU/Nato talks bs hopium about Ukraine's status in the "noble west" continues to be to extract full amount of blood, to pay for the debts to western bankers. It works because people are stupid.

US is like "Hey Ukraine, you would have won if only you had followed fully instructions provided by our genius generals and Ukraine. But we are sorry you didn't and now you're not very useful anymore, our paths break here".

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2023 21:22 utc | 31

Bakhmut.

The key to the "ending" of the present fighting, is for the curve of the 506 Khromove road area. With it - the Ukries can continue to get 50-65% of their supplies, without it, they are cut off with only footpaths across fields. (Armour stays where it is). It is heavily fortified. This is the weekend that will see a lot of fighting to solve this one way or another.

The are large forces being sent to Kramatorsk (I think, about 80'000 according to pro-ukie sources). Possible reinforcements?
****

Of course the real hidden news is the rate at which the US dollar is tanking, and the display of individuality by the RoW. Chile nationalizing ALL its Lithium mines is the way the things are going to go. Mexico might follow on. The EU is a "commodity free" area.
The collapse is closer than most people imagine.
****

Dams- one reason to keep them filled is that Zele's crowd might have to use them as bridges. Either for attack or retreat? They have access roads on top. If, by keeping them full, they could pose a threat to the Russians downstream, which will perhaps make the Russians decide NOT to bomb them.
****

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 21 2023 21:26 utc | 32

Fudup @ 20

I still do not understand the Ukrainian fixation on joining the EU and NATO... After years of this “hope farming”, you would think a few in Ukraine would get wise to the scam...

Most people never catch on they just adapt to the facts on the ground and sometimes it looks like they caught on. Ukraine will probably be joined into NATO using some some sort of super secret double special clause Brussels pulls out of its butt. At that point any NATO fence sitter countries, talking the talk but shirking the walk will be forced to either leave NATO or go all in. As Varoufakis said of the EU, it's a Roach Motel, you can walk in but you can't walk out.

I don't think the USA will walk away from this war, in reality this isn't existential, but since the USA has painted itself into a corner it has become existential. With Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq USA wasn't in a corner, it could walk away. Unless there's some deep state palace coup it will go all in against Russia, or at least Europe will have to as the USA will be too busy showing China who's the boss and whose Pacific ocean it really is.

Artemovsk isn't going to win it for the Russians, whatever upcoming offensive isn't going to win it for the UKR either, good bet is by fall it'll all be bigger and uglier than it is now. Once the first shots are fired over the Pacific it'll be officially WW3. WW2 didn't really start in 1939, most people in Europe and USA were still going calmly about their business, things didn't really pick up till 1941, two years later. We're not even at Dunkirk yet.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 21:48 utc | 33

BAKHMUT: Looks like the Russians will take Bakhmut within the next couple of weeks.

Where will the more aggressive Wagner forces and others of the Russian Forces go from there?

Posted by: young | Apr 21 2023 21:56 utc | 34

Amazing all the concerns expressed about trolls and then a real knuckledragger
shows up tossing the n word and f word as his whole posts, me thinks its time the bar owner
Pulls out his fungo bat from under the bar and does a little house cleaning.

Posted by: morongobill | Apr 21 2023 21:57 utc | 35

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2023 20:13 utc | 25

I see Surovikin’s latest script has been memorised by the man playing ‘Leader of the mercenaries’. A poster commented that Wagner had physically occupied the 506 Rd, I thought it was the VDV, anyone have the latest news?

Posted by: Milites | Apr 21 2023 22:03 utc | 36

Looking at our brain dead drive-by troll I think the Langley guys stopped paying even minimum wage, just put up a sign on the lawn: "Work Available, Free Beer & Pizza."

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 19:42 utc | 23

Which one? The racist word spewer #5, or the "Trannies are government promoted and taking over with swarthy spics" one, at #11?

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | Apr 21 2023 22:10 utc | 37

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2023 21:22 utc | 36

I’m beginning to favour the rapid collapse scenario now, the agent of which will be interior not exterior forces. I think the Godot offensive strategy is as much to do with shoring up internal support as with operational realities.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 21 2023 22:19 utc | 38

Kike doesn't believe anything he is saying. He is only here to make the sight look bad. He really should be banned from this sight.

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Apr 21 2023 22:37 utc | 39

This is the quality of German Broadcasting ....

Just listen to this x-US General ... Ben Hodges

... a parallel universe. [20 mins ... if you last ]

The next stage of the war in Ukraine: Analyzing Kyiv’s strategy | DW News


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TeLWanYzI

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 21 2023 22:37 utc | 40

@31 Leave Trump out of that moron's mouth. Trying to tie that in makes you look like the monomaniacal hater Kike is.

TRUMP 2024

Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Apr 21 2023 22:39 utc | 41

Call the disinformaion police!

Speaking after a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group on April 21, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said that Russia's war against Ukraine is "not the result of NATO enlargement" but "the cause" of it. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2023 22:53 utc | 42

young @ 39

Where will the more aggressive Wagner forces and others of the Russian Forces go from there?

If the underlining plan is attrition of the AFU then the question is where does the meat grinder move to next, if it does?

My guess is the regular army will move in and prepare for a very serious defense in Artemvosk. The Wagner forces will hopefully get a very well earned very much needed very long rest and recreation. Not at all sure what Wagner's situation is with its six month contracts and new recruitment, this could be Wagner's last hurrah, it did its job buying time for the regular army to train and build its strength and for armaments to be stockpiled.

Wagner may cease to be the front line fighting force that it was never meant to be and go back to being a low profile Spetsnaz as it seems the Chechens did after Mariupol. I get the impression the Chechens have become heavily involved in training. After Artemvosk the war doesn't end, for the RAF it starts.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 23:00 utc | 43

Don Bacon | Apr 21 2023 22:53 utc | 47

propaganda

austin, a consummate 'insider', is running the war clinton/obama/nuland/blinken wanted.

he think kiev air defense are leak proof and that us wunderwaffen work as sold in the original dream called a specification that was never delivered.

figorehead biden on down it is all propaganda and a world view only accepted in the dc salons.

it is atlantic council war!

Posted by: paddy | Apr 21 2023 23:08 utc | 44

TRUMP 2024

Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Apr 21 2023 22:39 utc | 46

https://d1kx0jsb8xwkwf.cloudfront.net/ts/690x388/65/31524

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Apr 21 2023 23:15 utc | 45

@Mark2 Two sides of the same coin. You are obviously both Democrats.

Posted by: JT | Apr 21 2023 23:25 utc | 46

The head of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said that the 33-year-old son of the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov, Nikolai, served as an ordinary artilleryman in his private military company.

a certain creedance clearwater revival song comes to mind

Posted by: hankster | Apr 21 2023 23:28 utc | 47

Hankster #52
Is it 'Fortunate Son'?

Posted by: Diego | Apr 21 2023 23:41 utc | 48



"Initially, I thought we had only shot ourselves in the foot, but now it is clear that the European economy has shot itself in the lungs, and it is gasping for air,"

- Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, a long-time sanctions critic, told public radio in an interview.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/europe-shot-itself-lungs-with-sanctions-russia-orban-says-2022-07-15/

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 21 2023 23:46 utc | 49

LightYearsFromHome - 38

Thank you for the reply. I wonder what, if anything, would change if Ukraine were to be let in NATO or EU?
It won’t make Russia go away, it will not mean more money, the EU already sends $billions$ for the Ukies to steal, nor more weapons. Article 5 could not be invoked, and if it was, it would only lead to a nuclear exchange, which nobody (I hope) wants. All I can see is that it would allow movement of even more refugees into the EU, and the authorities would have to stop the emptying of the country. It would be the same mess.

NATO and the EU would be crazy to let Ukraine in, and ruin the figleaf of “noncombatant” they now enjoy waving at the world presstitutes to proclaim for all and sundry they are not involved in the war in Ukraine.
It’s just base self interest and arrogance, 24/7, 365.

Oh, and the Baltic states really gave me an education in ‘cutting off a nose to spite the face’ in their unthinking hatred of Russia. They act as children each trying to one up the other in outrageous performance art against Russia for their masters approval. Its sickening to see grown humans do this, all the while thinking their NATO “allies” will keep them safe from the consequences of their torrid schemes.

God really does make insane those he wishes to destroy.

Posted by: Fudup. | Apr 21 2023 23:58 utc | 50

Re previous thread about China and American values:

I myself see it said over and over that we all must support Ukranazistan because of "shared values".

So:

What values do I share with a swastika tattooed Hitler saluting Waffen SS pride parading nazi from Lvov who murders prisoners? What values do I share with a rainbow haired liberal freak in California who literally worships a genocidal child droning war criminal and can't define what a "woman" is?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 22 2023 0:06 utc | 51

It costs the bankrupt American regime $2.5Bn per week for their #Asov nazi shit army of conscripted morons who can neither attack or defend just be minced as Ukraine is #Denazifed and the #NATO perverted regimes #Demilitirised.

All the while the #BRICS do the deals and the diplomacy that mocks and humiliates the American empire - the longer their Zelinsky #Banderite slime rot in their own shit the more it’s costs America - there is no rush for the Russians or the Chinese - it’s just pile on the humiliation of the pervert Biden and his #Epstein client list pervert World Economic Forum oligarchy as their financial system is de-dollarised and replaced with the BRICS
alternatives and the futures and the crooked derivatives of the American system becomes worthless

It is when the Americans, like the French recently, have to for their goods in Rubles or Yuan will they suddenly realise and then will come the greatest fire sale as the US Government sells its assets across the globe.

The debt default increases will come across the European Union first, Eastern Europe jumping to BRICS and the collapse of the US treasury bonds as liquidated assets are needed just to stop politicians being hunted and killed. Macron for example is more or less a dead man walking in France that even the imported military can’t save.

Posted by: Timbo | Apr 22 2023 0:24 utc | 52

Its easy to underestimate the difficulties that politcians like Lula and AMLO face in Latin America.

This article, for example shows that Lula's very mild dissent from the NATO consensus on Ukraine- he wamts peace and, though he blames Russia he refuses to send weapons to Ukraine- has already led to barely disguised coup threats.
"Former and current Brazilian President Luiz Inacio “Lula” da Silva’s brief honeymoon with US corporate media hit its first roadblock this week as a minor story repeated in Reuters and AP generated headlines in Brazil’s newspapers, with its largest, O Globo, running an editorial with a thinly veiled coup threat....."
https://fair.org/home/western-outlets-send-warning-to-lula-over-ukraine-dissent/

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 1:01 utc | 53

It is interesting to see Larry Johnson claim the opposite, then write 2-3 posts gradually backpeddling. Posted by: Bill | Apr 21 2023 18:57 utc | 14

I am beginning to think that Larry Johnson is a bit of clown. Like many others these days (especially that idiot Dima at the Military Summary Channel) he is using the Ukraine war to cash in and grab his 15 minutes of fame. I suppose things like that are inevitable, and they aren't the worst thing in the world; but for somebody who markets himself as an intelligence expert straight from the belly of the beast, boy did he ever call this one wrong. Once you combine that with some of the more cringy self-promotional statements he's made, as well as his whining about being mistreated at the Company, it begins to paint a picture of someone who maybe wasn't as good at his trade as he wants us to believe.

For my part, I have no problem putting it right out there that I always thought the leak was genuine, the fact that it contains laughably bad misinformation notwithstanding. It is a real leak of the fake information the regime feeds itself, like reading the diary of a coper. That remains my position and I am aware of no fact that would cause me to alter it.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Apr 22 2023 1:12 utc | 54

Robert F Kennedy Jr. sent his son off on safari to murder Russian, and he's proud of it.

The Silver Spoon son was coddled with special protection, lead to a choice location, and given a machine gun and murdered Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainians or Russians (he didn't care which) like some amusement park game.

And Robert F Kennedy Jr. bragged about that, and claimed he was "proud" of his son for fighting for the Nazis and murdering the Russian speaking Eastern Ukrainians or Russians who were trying to stop the Nazis from their 8 years of firing artillery shells into cities in the Donbass.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Apr 22 2023 1:23 utc | 55

So you think "the big guy" is Biden.
I think it might well be Obama.

Posted by: G Wiltek | Apr 22 2023 1:27 utc | 56

@14

"This guy", Ian Kummer, is Reading Junkie, whom the hyperventilating Larry Johnson fans on this forum fell over themselves criticising. He has one signal advantage over Johnson: he isn't playing to an audience with daily posts and so can wait for facts to come in before writing.

As for Johnson, he's just a self promoter. I do not believe he's actively malign, he just wants the spotlight on him. This makes him liable to jump the gun and then double down before he has to reluctantly start admitting reality.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 22 2023 1:57 utc | 57

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 23:00 utc | 48

If the underlining plan is attrition of the AFU then the question is where does the meat grinder move to next, if it does?

My guess is the regular army will move in and prepare for a very serious defense in Artemvosk. The Wagner forces will hopefully get a very well earned very much needed very long rest and recreation. Not at all sure what Wagner's situation is with its six month contracts and new recruitment, this could be Wagner's last hurrah, it did its job buying time for the regular army to train and build its strength and for armaments to be stockpiled.

Wagner may cease to be the front line fighting force that it was never meant to be and go back to being a low profile Spetsnaz as it seems the Chechens did after Mariupol. I get the impression the Chechens have become heavily involved in training. After Artemvosk the war doesn't end, for the RAF it starts.

RESPONSE: Your assessment of what happens to the Wagner forces looks very plausible if Russia is still in the low gear of taking the Donbas.

However, it looks to me that Putin has taken his military out of low gear and is transitioning to a faster gear. Perhaps this is because of the continual ramping up of the escalation by the USA and NATO.

Posted by: young | Apr 22 2023 2:13 utc | 58

" Prigozhin says war is being sabotaged by Russia’s Deep State

Wagner CEO Yevgeny Prigozhin published an article on April 14 in which he made the following claims:

“The strategic role of Bakhmut is not so great. Bakhmut is followed by Seversk, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Konstantinovka, Druzhkovka and Chasov Yar … [T]he capture of Bakhmut itself will not ensure a short-term victory over Ukraine, the road to the Dnieper, or even the capture of Donbass.”


“The US does not need a quick war”. Washington wants to drag the conflict out as long as possible in order to destabilize Russia and “collapse [it] into many principalities”.

Russia’s Deep State, “a community of near-state elites that operate independently of the political leadership of the state”, is actively sabotaging the war effort.

To prevent the Deep State from making concessions to Washington, Russia should announce the successful completion of the “special military operation” and consolidate territorial gains.

To summarize: An oligarch who is spearheading Russia’s only discernable offensive in Ukraine says the war will continue for the foreseeable future, even if/when Bakhmut is captured. Meanwhile, a powerful group of oligarchs and bureaucrats want to negotiate a backdoor deal with Washington that would have disastrous consequences for Russia. "

https://telegra.ph/Tolko-chestnyj-boj-nikakogo-dogovornyaka-04-14

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 22 2023 2:14 utc | 59

Posted by: Fudup. | Apr 21 2023 23:58 utc | 55

"God really does make insane those he wishes to destroy."


RESPONSE: Like your phrase! It is very fitting for what is occurring and what is about to occur.

Soon the bear will arise and devour much flesh (Daniel 7:5). If I am interpreting Daniel 7:5 correctly, this will occur just after the bear has devoured 3 areas on one of its borders. I see those 3 areas to be Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk. I foresee that the bear will arise and devour much flesh very soon after it takes and secures the Donbas.

Posted by: young | Apr 22 2023 2:24 utc | 60

"It costs the bankrupt American regime $2.5Bn per week for their #Asov nazi shit army of conscripted morons who can neither attack or defend just be minced as Ukraine is #Denazifed and the #NATO perverted regimes #Demilitirised."

That is pocket change for the USA. In fact, USA brags that the money it spends making war on Russia using a disposable proxy army is the best investment it could ever make.

This is how sociopaths think. This is how the outlaw empire, USA thinks.

Posted by: Sundance | Apr 22 2023 2:28 utc | 61

Love the censorship here. I just had a relevant comment magically disappear.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 22 2023 2:41 utc | 62

@ Kike | Apr 21 2023 18:03 utc | 5
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Your avatar and your posting went out with the fifties.

Would it be OK if we asked you to behave yourself? Narcissism has its limits.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 22 2023 3:14 utc | 63

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦🤚 Options for the AFU in #Bakhmut - Analysis by Military Chronicles⚡️

🗓 On 20 and 21 April, reports emerged that Wagner PMC fighters, with fire support by the airborne troops, had approached the O-0506 route between #Bakhmut and Chasov Yar. After this, the position of the AFU in #Bakhmut could deteriorate considerably.

🔹What is this Route and why is it so important?

Route O-0506 connected the western stronghold of the AFU in Chasovy Yar directly to the city. It passes through the village of #Khromovo and was used by the AFU directly from Chasov Yar to the western neighbourhoods of #Bakhmut. Prior to the advancement of the Wagner PMCs inside the city blocks, #Bakhmut could also be reached by another route - via the southwestern route T-0504, bypassing #Krasnoye.

Route O-0506 was the last relatively safe road through which supplies and reinforcements could be brought in and the wounded transported out.

🔹What is happening in #Bakhmut now:

As the "Bandwagon" advanced deeper into #Bakhmut, fire control over the AFU supply routes intensified, with the result that Ukrainian forces began to lose up to 90% of the equipment and people sent to #Bakhmut not only from Chasov Yar, but also from #Konstantinovka, #Druzhkovka, and #Toretsk.

At the moment, the AFU retains control of no more than 10% of the city: Ukrainian troops are in the Novy and Cherema neighbourhoods, School No. 18 and defending from Chernyakhovsky Street in #Khromovo. "Orchestra" crushes the enemy from the north in the area of Metallurgov Boulevard and Roz Alley, in parallel - on the AFU units that are trying to leave the city in small groups in one or two vehicles. FAB-120/250 bombs with planning and correction modules (MPCMs) as well as Krasnopol guided artillery rounds are actively used against targets both in the immediate vicinity of #Artyomovsk and deep in the AFU defence - #Konstantinovka, #Druzhkovka and Chasov Yar. This further complicates and slows down the supply of the group, which cannot hold out without help.

🔹What options do the AFU have?

The first option is to throw reinforcements into the city and either continue defending or cover the retreat. According to preliminary estimates, the AFU's total losses in killed, wounded, missing and prisoners of war both in and around #Bakhmut, including reinforcements destroyed almost every day, are as high as 650-730 per day.

To hold the city, the AFU is preparing to send the 93rd Mechanized Brigade and the reserve 117th Territorial Defense Brigade, prepared for a counterattack, to #Bakhmut. In the western quarters of the city, these troops should reinforce units of the AFU's 92nd Mechanized, whose losses are estimated at 65%.

The second option is to retreat on asphalt roads. Most roads between #Bakhmut and neighbouring towns are not only shelled by artillery "banding" and airborne troops, but also severely damaged. Some bridges and crossings cannot be crossed by heavy equipment. This means that on the other side retreating AFU units have to transfer to another vehicle. It is practically impossible to do this safely.

The third option is to retreat through the fields:

It rained almost all last week in #Bakhmut, and rain will continue to fall next week. This will make the fields impassable again. Even tanks, not to mention pickup trucks and other vehicles, will find it difficult to get through them quickly in such conditions. Any AFU equipment that gets stuck will almost instantly come under artillery fire and be disabled, and after that the Ukrainian military will have to overcome the five-kilometre stretch between Chasov Yar and #Bakhmut on foot.

The fourth option is a diversionary flank counterattack:

If the AFU command feels that control over #Bakhmut is finally being lost, 80,000-strong reserves from Ray-Aleksandrovka, #Konstantinovka, #Predtechino, #Nikolayevka and #Dzerzhinsk will probably be brought into the fight.


https://t.me/sitreports/7521

Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2023 3:52 utc | 64

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦🤚 Prigozhin's Answer on a LIVE24 Request⚡️

📃 Dear Evgeny Viktorovich, a meeting of representatives of the Contact Group for Military Support to Ukraine was held today at Ramstein in the Germany, and the following conclusions were drawn up afterwards:

🔷Ukraine's priority now is ground-based air defence systems to provide protection against Russian missile attacks.

🔷Allies will provide training for tankers and air defence operators.

🔷Some 25,000 Ukrainian soldiers are already undergoing training in Germany, some 8,000 have already completed it and returned home.

🔷The West has transferred more than 230 tanks and 1,500 other armoured vehicles to Ukraine to equip nine armoured brigades.

🔷Ukraine has been given the green light to cooperate with NATO's procurement agency, the NSPA.

🔷Partners and allies are ready to support Ukraine for as long as necessary.

How do you assess the results of Ramstein-11 and when, in your opinion, will the Ukrainian counteroffensive begin?

💬 "Let's talk about Ramstein-11: the supply of air defence systems is the first thing. Yes, indeed, it is important for Ukraine to protect its strategic facilities, including, domestically, where we are launching strikes. The effectiveness of these strikes needs to be assessed, but they will protect nonetheless. The second thing is that the allies are training and will continue to train, which means that, as Germany has said, 25,000 Ukrainian military personnel are training right now. That suggests that they have 25,000 places. So it could just be a flow, and they could probably easily multiply that by a factor of 3-4.

So the simultaneous training will be 100 thousand. Three or four months at 100 thousand is a lot. Eight thousand completed and returning home is not bad either, although not a very large number. Their losses today are significant. But today we are killing those who were trained in Ukraine, and these people will come from Germany, they will be technologically educated. The West has handed over 230 tanks and 1,500 other armoured vehicles. This is also enough to provide serious opposition.

The "green light" to buy through the NSPA means they will borrow as much as they want from whoever they want, America will pay for everything. And the last one is that the Americans, Europeans and the NATO alliance are ready to support them and this is not good for us either. The statement that all NATO members are waiting for Ukraine to join NATO is not good either, which means that we must be defensive. The jokes are over. We must not just anchor ourselves, we must anchor ourselves in such a way that we can only pull out with the claws of our rival. The second point: when will Ukraine attack? Ukraine is constantly stirring us up that it's about to launch an offensive.

This chip is called "The Boy in the Lake". The boy shouted and shouted and shouted that he was about to drown, pranked his mum and dad, and when he started drowning, they didn't come. They are waiting for us not to strain any more, but to think they are morons and not react to their shouting. Today the offensive is not starting for obvious reasons: it's a monstrous slush. In the territory today, even the "pick-up trucks" cannot get through the fields properly, not to mention the Ural trucks, heavy equipment, up to and including tanks. It will take another ten days for the soil to dry out.

When will they attack? They will probably decide themselves, I am not informed. But the fact is they will attack. Therefore, we have to be ready ten times, so it will not be the same as it was in 1941, when we were chewing our snot and reporting to Stalin that everything is all right, there is a treaty with Germany. There is no treaty and there will not be one. They will come and try to tear us apart, and we have to hold our ground. Mum's not coming, Mum's dead, so now we're on our own, like in an orphanage, on our own."

📜 Prigozhin's Hat; 21 Apr 2023, 22:17


https://t.me/sitreports/7524

Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2023 3:54 utc | 65

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 21 Apr 2023⚡️

⚡️ Overnight, Russian kamikaze UAVs Geran-2 attacked Ukrainian army facilities in #Poltava and #Vinnitsa regions.
➖ According to some reports, the targets of the attack were large oil depots in these regions.

🔹#Bryansk Region:

▪️ In #Klintsy, a Ukrainian drone fell on a private property, partially damaging a house, with no casualties.

🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction:

▪️ Despite some claims, the Ukrainian grouping in #Bakhmut has not been surrounded. Fierce fighting continues in the town itself and on the #Bakhmut - Chasov Yar road section.

▪️ In the northern part of the city, Russian forces advanced with fighting along Chernyakhovsky and Tolbukhin streets towards the Olympic School.

▪️ To the south, fighters of the Wagner PMC, overcoming enemy resistance, managed to reach Grigory Skovoroda Street.

🔹#Donetsk Direction:

▪️ The Ukrainian terrorist formations continue shelling the #Donetsk agglomeration, the DPR capital, #Makeyevka, #Gorlovka and the surrounding settlements came under attack.

▪️ In #Maryinka, there is fierce fighting near a Fire Station and the Local Dental Clinic on the west side of Druzhba Avenue.

🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:

▪️ The situation on this section of the front remains steadily tense, with both sides conducting reconnaissance and exchanging strikes.

🔹#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront:

▪️ In the vicinity of the village of #Kindiyka north of #Alyoshki, the enemy is conducting sabotage and reconnaissance activities, attempting to divert (https://t.me/rybar/46079) and mislead the Russian military before a possible counterattack.

▪️ Artillery duels continue along the entire line of contact. Russian forces hit enemy concentrations in #Kherson, #Dudchany and #Zmiyevka.
➖ The Ukrainian terror formations, for their part, shelled the civilian infrastructure of Novaya Kakhovka, #Gornostayevka and #Kardashinka on the left bank of the #Dnieper River.

🔸Political and other Events:

▪️ Following another Ramstein meeting in Germany, the US and its European allies announced a new military aid package, as well as the need for additional deliveries of air defense equipment and missiles to them.

▪️ Due to problems with auctions with European operators by energy company Ukrenergo, #Ukraine has suspended electricity exports to #Slovakia and will not be able to send electricity to #Hungary.
➖ The company said that the problem arose due to the absence of the necessary regulatory framework, which was denied by the Ukrainian authorities.
➖ Experts believe that Ukrenergo is unwilling to share revenues with European operators according to #EU regulations.

▪️ Zelensky has signed a decree on introducing a mandatory constitutional, history and state language test to obtain Ukrainian citizenship.


https://t.me/sitreports/7525

Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2023 3:56 utc | 66

Zelensky signed a law on the "decolonization of toponyms" - it prohibits assigning names associated with Russia to geographical objects and streets

Zelensky, adhering to his Russophobic course, signed the law on the “decolonization of toponyms” - it will enter into force three months after publication. After that, all local governments and military administrations will have to vacate the entire public space of the square from the "symbols of the Russian world" in six months.

The Kiev regime has long looked ridiculous in the eyes of its own people, fighting either with Orthodoxy or leveling all the merits of people for using the language of the “occupier”. For him, all methods are good - and he will not be ashamed to spit on people, and he will not pay attention to the state of respected people, albeit in the past.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42823

Posted by: Down South | Apr 22 2023 3:58 utc | 67

This came in on one of my email lists:

Aaron Lee assesses Russia’ economic and military capacities (summary posted below the links)
https://aaronlee.substack.com/p/one-trillion-dollars-in-2023-how?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

https://aaronlee.substack.com/p/one-trillion-dollars-in-2023-how-9d4?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

https://aaronlee.substack.com/p/one-trillion-dollars-in-2023-how-74e?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

VII. Conclusions
Like the unraveling of a suit by pulling a single thread, we have interrogated GDP figures for Russia and discovered:
2023 Russia GDP: 138 trillion Rubles @ 26/$: $5.307 trillion Industry: $1.356 trillion, Military Spending (18.144% of Russian GDP): @ 26/$: 25.039 trillion Rubles / $963 billion, Military Industry: $427 billion
- The Russian economy is much bigger than conceived. Third biggest in the world. One quarter the United States, so about the same size as the USSR during the Cold War.
- The Russian industrial base is much bigger than conceived. Half of the United States.
- The Russian military spending and military productive capacity in Dollar terms is equal to the United States or will be at some point in 2023.
- The Russian economy shows an ability to sustain this spending for the foreseeable future. It uses Rubles and exports more than it imports. It trades with China which gives it a secure supply line.
- The sheer scale and diversity of Russian productive capacity has been distorted by bad Dollar conversions
- Russia's cost is in devalued Rubles, but its productive value can be measured in Dollars. We see this effect on the battlefield.
- Accusations of Russian weakness are psychological projections or psyops by NATO powers. Psyops target domestic audiences, in order to garner support for a disastrous war.
Great Power Rankings, 2023:
USA GDP: $23.3 trillion, Industry: $2.648t, Military Budget: $801b
China GDP: $17.4 trillion, Industry: $5.837t, Military Budget: $293b
Russia GDP: $5.307 trillion, Industry: $1.356 trillion, Military Budget: $963 billion
Japan GDP: $4.298 trillion, Industry: $892b, Military Budget: 6.8 trillion Yen / $51.5 billion
Germany GDP: $4.273 trillion, Industry: $761b, Military Budget: $56b
India: GDP: $1.873 trillion, Industry: $389b, Military Budget: $76.6b
UK: GDP: $2.975 trillion, Industry: $242b, Military Budget: $68.4b
France: GDP: $2.516 trillion, Industry: $220b Military Budget: $56b
This table shows there are three superpowers: The United States, China, and Russia. The USA has the largest GDP, China has the largest industrial output, and Russia spends the most on military. Russia spends more than the three biggest NATO members combined: USA, Germany, and the UK. We can also see that Russia's military industrial base at some point in early 2023 exceeded China's entire military estimated budget.
Our model of Russian military production seems to accurately depict the material circumstances of the war. Russia is prepared to fight a war of attrition using its own massive military industrial base and is capable of sustaining it. It is possible that it entrapped NATO with effective maskirovka operations and has engaged the alliance in a war of production. If that is the case, then a cease-fire is unlikely, except on Russian terms. It seems more likely that Russia is prepared to fight for an unconditional victory. NATO appears to have made a fatal, but avoidable error. Ukraine's government clearly serves NATO more than the interests of its own citizens.
If this analysis is to be of any value, it should have predictive ability. Given the calculations made, we expect Russia to mobilize a huge offensive of a scale unseen since World War 2. Russia should have thousands of new tanks, hundreds of new aircraft, hundreds of thousands of newly mobilized troops (6 months from the October 2022 mobilization will be April 2023). They aren't massively mobilizing to maintain the status quo in the war, they're in it to win it. Russia will destroy the bulk of NATO hardware absolutely in a crushing war of attrition. Eventually, NATO will need to capitulate and Ukraine in its current form will be no more: probably by the second anniversary of the war, 2024.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 22 2023 4:52 utc | 68

I still do not understand the Ukrainian fixation on joining the EU and NATO. It’s a cruel joke to keep dangling membership to those who so desperately want it that they destroy their own countrymen by the tens of thousands for the mere hope of being a part of a debt riddled, deeply flawed EU/NATO.

After years of this “hope farming”, you would think a few in Ukraine would get wise to the scam and at least attempt to get leverage to their advantage for a change. Even my dogs get wise to me when I fake throwing the toy for their amusement. I can only imagine they keep thinking that they will be allowed in if they keep throwing their virgins into the volcano of war, only the volcano doesn’t care, and the desired result never achieved. Back to Odessa then to kidnap more “virgins” to throw to their deaths, for America’s interests.

Is it a sickness? Whose, ultimately? Ukraine or the West? I say YES!
Posted by: Fudup | Apr 21 2023 19:37 utc | 20

Ukraine is the extreme embodiment of the peculiarly Russian phenomenon of self-hatred.

That's what it boils down to in the end.

It is also the most fundamental reasons why the war has to be fought to the end (the end being the end of Ukraine as a state and as an idea). Aside from all the deep geostrategic reasons, at the bottom of it all we have that factor.

There has been a split-personality thing going on for a very long time in Russia (and other Eastern European countries too, but Russia being the largest and most powerful, it is most relevant there), where you have the sections of society who are proud of what they are, what they have achieved, and what they will achieve in the future, and then those who absolutely hate the fact that they are Russian, and desperately want to not be Russian and to be "European" (whatever that means).

It kind of goes back to the fact that Russia missed the Renaissance. By a historical accident -- Northern Europe as a whole was late to it, but England and the Germanic lands caught up fast in the 16th and 17th centuries. In contrast, around that time Russia was still reconsolidating after the Mongol conquest, what it got as influx of new ideas was thousands of Orthodox scholars from Bulgaria, the Byzantine empire, Serbia, etc., and the fact that it actually acquired tremendous positives from the Mongols (who served as conduits for Chinese governmental practices and culture, which were much more advanced than the barbaric condition of Europe around that time) was quickly forgotten, because the Mongols weren't Christians. Then Russia expanded very fast towards Siberia, but to the West it faced the barrier of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which was about to start a precipitous decline in the 17th century, and in the end of all of these developments, there was no real Renaissance in the 16th and 17th centuries.

Then Peter The Great comes and realizes he needs to catch up technologically, so he launches a large-scale such program, but that also involves cultural Europeisation of the elite.

And it has been like that ever since -- Russian elites have had this deeply seated inferiority complex and their utmost wish is to be accepted as equals to the Europeans. It was even more extreme in the past -- as is well known, they tried to speak French, not Russian, for a very long time.

That trickles down to the rest of the population -- if the rich and powerful are trying to be European, then an association is naturally established between being a poor backward peasant and "Russianness". And being a poor backward peasant is never cool.

In the end, the USSR fell apart in large part for that reason. Notice how it took Georgians from the mountains to actually stand up to the West. Because they didn't have that inferiority complex -- they were Georgians, not Russians (and Stalin was trained an Orthodox priest on top of it, meaning he had the training to look past the trivial material trappings of life). Then the subsequent leaders were of Ukrainian and Russian descent and they surrendered it all without a fight.

What was one of the first things that Khrushchev did? He went on a trip to the US where he was drooling after the consumerist lifestyle and decided to emulate it. Never mind that they were fast catching up militarily, that they were ahead in the space race, that they were also ahead in what was then called cybernetics and we now call AI, etc. etc. A lot of the disastrous decisions of the 1960s derive from that dismissal of local achievements leading to subsequent refusal to invest in them and instead follow Western patterns of development (as the two most egregious examples, the USSR refused to develop its version of the internet, which would have placed it well ahead of the West if it had been worked out, and they decided to copy Western chips instead of investing in local designs, which ensured they were always behind).

In the latter years of the Soviet Union there was a cargo cult towards everything Western, which was considered vastly superior to local versions, with complete disregard to the actual properties of the items. Of course you are going to lose the Cold War with that kind of mentality.

Ukrainians happen to be the most extreme manifestation of that self-hatred, for obvious geographic and historic reasons. They just had the most contact with the West.

I myself have wondered how it is possible for them to be so blind -- Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltics are right next door, and one should be easily able to see what catastrophic impacts 15-20 years in the EU have had on those countries (deindustrialization, depopulation, de-everything that makes you an advanced civilized country, which they were in the 1980s). The citizens of those countries had the same illusions prior to joining the EU, but now we have the actual results. But then you notice that these are the same people who are now trying to speak in broken Ukrainian and you recall what 10-15 years of total propaganda gegenpressing can achieve, and it is not that strange any more.

That is why Ukraine needs to be eradicated as a state and as an idea if Russia is to survive in the long run. It's the Hyde to the Russian Jekyll, the self and the anti-self, etc. If that cancer is allowed to continue to fester, it will kill the whole organism.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 22 2023 5:19 utc | 69

Jens the Jerk appears intent on proving that a NATO Sec-Gen is a Washington sock-puppet.

Posted by: DilNir | Apr 21 2023 17:46 utc | 2

He wouldn't occupy his position if he weren't a Washington sock puppet. Europe is infested with politicians wanting to be DC sock puppets. It's how they pump up their little bantustans to try to be something they're not, on the world stage. It's like the little ugly guy trying to be a big shot by standing next to the good-looking stud at the prom. From what I've read, when Jennifer steps down in a few months, his successor will by Van der Lyin, another Nazi midget trying to be somebody.

Posted by: KellenCramer | Apr 22 2023 5:43 utc | 70

Down South | Apr 22 2023 3:58 utc | 71

Re the quoted "Zelensky signed a law on the 'decolonization of toponyms'", wow. Just wow.

Gosh, I'm trying to think of something more important Z might be spending his time on than toponyms, but well, I just can't think of anything. Can you?

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Apr 22 2023 6:04 utc | 71

I still do not understand the Ukrainian fixation on joining the EU and NATO.

Really ?????

Look at Turkey........for decades EU Commission pumped money into front organisations to promote EU membership; hired academics; sponsored events; funded "spokesmen" and "reports" and "think tanks" and presentations in schools, courses for teachers, and packages for TV media..........

That is how the EU functions - it buys the ruling elites - if offers them global careers.......

You might have been adrift as a Candidate Member of Communist Party Central Committee in Czechoslovakia after the Velvet Revolution - but when Slovakia split you could be reincarnated as Maroš Šefčovič.........and you would have authority over:

Leading on inter-institutional relations, better policymaking and strategic foresight.
Ensuring the Framework Agreement between the Commission and Parliament is respected.
Implementing the Inter-institutional Agreement on Better Lawmaking.
Coordinating work on better regulation, ensuring Commission proposals respect subsidiarity and proportionality, and developing the 'One in, One out' principle to reduce red tape.
Steering work to develop the annual Commission Work Programme.
Leading inter-institutional discussions on annual and multi-annual planning.
Producing the yearly Foresight Report to improve priority-setting, underpinned by forward-looking actions in policymaking.
Coordinating the Commission’s work on the European Battery Alliance.
Contributing to the Conference on the Future of Europe.
Coordinating the Commission's work on parliamentary resolutions requesting legislative proposals.
Overall responsibility for relations with national parliaments, advisory bodies and the European Ombudsman.
Chairing the REFIT/'Fit for the Future' Platform of Member States and other stakeholders to look at improving existing EU legislation.
Representing the Commission at the EU General Affairs Council and in discussions on cross-cutting issues in the European Parliament.
Co-chair and represent the European Union in the Partnership Council, established by the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement
Relations with Andorra, Iceland, Monaco, Norway, Liechtenstein, San Marino and Switzerland


and you could tell the British Government what you thought should be done in Northern Ireland without ever consulting the people there........


The prospect for Ukrainians of getting to decide what future awaits Germans or Italians or even British is alluring

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 22 2023 6:11 utc | 72

@b
@Kike | Apr 21 2023 20:22 utc | 26

Posted by: Hermit | Apr 22 2023 6:15 utc | 73

Great Power Rankings, 2023:
USA GDP: $23.3 trillion, Industry: $2.648t, Military Budget: $801b
China GDP: $17.4 trillion, Industry: $5.837t, Military Budget: $293b
Russia GDP: $5.307 trillion, Industry: $1.356 trillion, Military Budget: $963 billion
Japan GDP: $4.298 trillion, Industry: $892b, Military Budget: 6.8 trillion Yen / $51.5 billion
Germany GDP: $4.273 trillion, Industry: $761b, Military Budget: $56b
India: GDP: $1.873 trillion, Industry: $389b, Military Budget: $76.6b
UK: GDP: $2.975 trillion, Industry: $242b, Military Budget: $68.4b
France: GDP: $2.516 trillion, Industry: $220b Military Budget: $56b

These figures are of course meaningless.

If you look at Marginal Capital Output Ratios in Western economies you find that it takes increasing levels of capital to generate a unit of GDP and increasingly disproportionate levels of DEBT. Most Western economies are dependent on high levels of Government Spending ironically.........without $950 bn in "defence" spending US economy would be flat on its back.......it has since the Reagan Era been a War Economy importing Consumer Goods and focused on MilSpec.

UK has been drowning in Debt since the Thatcher "Miracle" - how many people know UK never had double-digit interest rates until 1972 and that was the last time it had a Trade Surplus..........

Germany was rescued by Anschluss with GDR - it acquired 17 million customers, removed competing businesses - (GDR had been a de facto EEC Member through "Inner German Trade Protocol to Treaty of Rome 1957 ). "In reality the GDR trade profited from the EEC. A special annex of the Rome - Treaties guaranteed the inner-German trade (“Interzonen-Handel”) to be partof the “Common Market”. Through this, East Germany got access to the
Customs Union created in 1968 and became a secret member of the EEC "


So if you look at GDP you must set against it the levels of Debt which generated it and the Debt Servicing Costs which sustain it

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 22 2023 6:56 utc | 74

and of course the Balance of Payments position and Budget Deficits........

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 22 2023 6:57 utc | 75

No one is afraid to attack Russia in its internationally-recognized territories anymore.
https://rt.com/news/575139-german-defense-minister-ukraine-strikes-russia

Posted by: Rime | Apr 22 2023 7:28 utc | 76

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-will-struggle-to-win-the-war-and-russia-will-struggle-to-lose-increasing-pressure-for-a-negotiated-solution-12862683

Finally as predicted the exit news on the filth MSM we knew was coming. Let the uneducated sheeple down gently first then exit claiming some victory.

Posted by: Scot1and | Apr 22 2023 7:51 utc | 77

The deranged level of Western media is quite something to see. This is Foreign Policy, which I always understood to be one of the most heavyweight and 'insider' Washington publications.

Note: I initially misread the writer's name as Franz-Stefan Gadfly. Just about sums it up. Absolutely delusional. I can't recommend reading it, but if you do, I think you'll agree with me.

"Ukraine’s Longest Day"
"The first 24 hours of the expected counteroffensive will likely be decisive"

If you really are a masochist, read his other piece about Taiwan: a total pile of twaddle which doesn't say anything about Taiwan really.

Posted by: JulianJ | Apr 22 2023 7:54 utc | 78

I am beginning to think that Larry Johnson is a bit of clown.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Apr 22 2023 1:12 utc | 59

I lump all these ex-something-or-others in the same Limelight Deprivation Syndrome, Nobody Ever Listens To Me Anymore Basket ... Ritter, McGregor, Martynov, Naplolitano, et al. Sure *SOME GOOD ANALYSIS* some of the time. But mostly repetitive, opinionated hot air. But they are treated like holy oracles.

The Alt-Ukraine fraternity, here are elsewhere, is a bit of an echo chamber.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 22 2023 8:13 utc | 79

75 - De-Russification is a cultural priority for them. Anyway, wasting time on that stuff might be psychologically satisfying when news from the front is less so.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 22 2023 8:36 utc | 80

83 - I don't know about the others but Martyanov is definitely a waste of space.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 22 2023 8:37 utc | 81

81 - Surprisingly candid analysis. Whether it means a policy change I don't know. Negotiating would be the smart thing for them, sure.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 22 2023 8:44 utc | 82

Re “kike”

The only correct response is to call for DR DIDE.

Don’t Read.
Don’t Interact.
Don’t Engage.

———————

There is so much good work going on in this bar daily it must be driving some mad.

Stay loose folks , see you later for a bevvy.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 22 2023 8:46 utc | 83

"Look at Turkey........for decades EU Commission pumped money into front organisations to promote EU membership; hired academics; sponsored events; funded "spokesmen" and "reports" and "think tanks" and presentations in schools, courses for teachers, and packages for TV media.........."

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 22 2023 6:11 utc | 76

Nothing like a bit of wild over-exaggeration. The Germans were always against Turkish membership of the EU, so the "pumping" of money must actually have amounted to a few thousand a year, a few million over the decades you mention, about as much as the UK pays for its cultural policy in countries around the world. No, the enthusiasts for Turkish membership of the EU were the Istanbul elite of Westernised Turks, who lost out to Erdogan, not the EU. That's all pretty well known.
But sure, Ukraine wants the subsidies that EU membership would give, but that's post-entry not before.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 22 2023 9:08 utc | 84

If the underlining plan is attrition of the AFU then the question is where does the meat grinder move to next, if it does?
LightYearsFromHome | Apr 21 2023 23:00 utc | 48

Only if there is a third well trained army that can work in very small numbers, like Chechens and Wagners, and also willing to inhale DU. Zee German guy said that attacks inside Russia are needed. Israel wants to plant in Ukr a missile defense system this summer. Repair factories were announced in Poland and Romania. If there are no changes in the retarded smo, everything will go back to 2014, just replace word Donbass with Russia+Belarus and add more terrorism. The main problem is that Russia failed with both economic and military means to prevent nato to impose their will. They had no power to prevent the coup in 2014, no power to stop years of attacks and a very large amount of weapons, still no power today to win by force. The Ukr offensive is a story for msm like the offensive they were preparing for the azovs last year. No one remembers today. Ukr will attack if possible, but it won't end the war if it fails once or 10x. When Russia will reach Donbass borders it won't end war either because nato "is guaranteeing Ukraine the right to self-defense" (Defence Minister Guido Crozetto), which is a forever war and all they really want.

Posted by: rk | Apr 22 2023 9:14 utc | 85

I think the bar is the place to discuss RFK Jr’s candidacy as a democrat President. He is talking openly about the things that get discussed here. He has said he will speak the truth. He is talking diplomacy and bringing troops home and rebuilding the US. Problems that have been obvious to the outside world for decades. Already though one can see that his son’s foolish escapade in Ukraine is and will be a dead cat that follows him around. Does he pretend for his sake that it was an ok thing to do? I do not wish the US working class ill as will be their lot with Biden or Trump again.

Posted by: Inki | Apr 22 2023 9:22 utc | 86

which is a forever war and all they really want.

Posted by: rk | Apr 22 2023 9:14 utc | 89

Indeed.

People don't really appreciate the fact that the major reason Western Europe, and especially the UK, conquered the world while Russia and Eastern Europe fell bar behind is that the former was insulated from major invasions while Russia was repeatedly destroyed. It's not because superior human beings inhabited Western Europe as their descendants like to imagine.

E.g. the last time war was fought on the British Isles was 370 years ago, and prior to that the War of The Roses 550 years ago.

Meanwhile no place on Earth has been more devastated by wars than European Russia. The list is very long, and it in fact goes back to way before there was even Russia. Much of Ukraine was actually only settled in the last 250 years because prior to that it was just impossible to physically survive in the open steppe.

What that means is that you can't accumulate capital over time as it gets repeatedly destroyed in wars. Europe has all these castles, cathedrals and various other buildings dating back to many centuries ago, Russia has almost nothing, because whatever was accumulated during times of peace was then destroyed again and again in various wars, and they had to start all over again.

So if the Anglo-Saxons manage to create a permanent highly destructive war, even if they don't crush Russia outright, that's still a major win.

Why the Kremlin refuses to act in accordance with the magnitude of the threat is the major question...

Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 22 2023 9:34 utc | 87

88 - Correct.
Compared to other countries, it is striking how few Turks have a functional level of English. This is not just due to deficiencies in the education system - only a small minority are really Western- or EU-oriented.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 22 2023 9:34 utc | 88

What options do the APU have?

The first option is to throw reinforcements into the city... Daily losses of the AFU killed, wounded, missing and prisoners both inside and around Artemovsk, = ~ 650-730 effectives.

To hold the city, the AFU is preparing to send the 93rd mechanized brigade and the 117th Territorial Defense Brigade, prepared for the counteroffensive, to Artemovsk.

The second option is to retreat along asphalt roads. It is almost impossible to do this safely.

The third option is to retreat across the fields

It has been raining in Artemovsk for almost the entire past week, and precipitation will continue next week. Because of this, the fields turned into quagmire again. Any APU equipment will almost immediately fall under artillery fire and will be destroyed. The Ukrainians will have to traverse the five-kilometer section between Chasov Yar and Artemivsk on foot, while under nearly continuous bombardment.

The fourth option is a flank counterattack, which the Russians are prepared to repel.

If the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine chooses this option, 80,000 reserves from the Districts of Alexandrovka, Konstantinovka, Predtechino, Nikolaevka and Dzerzhinsk would be assigned to this, completely depleting the force assembled for the much announced counter-attack.

Posted by: Artemovsk trl | Apr 21 2023 18:23 utc | 9

Sounds like the last gasp 5th army counterattack to relieve Berlin in 1945.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Apr 22 2023 9:37 utc | 89

Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 22 2023 5:19 utc | 73
That is why Ukraine needs to be eradicated as a state and as an idea if Russia is to survive in the long run.

free drinks to celebrate a significant narrative that explains how historical, social and economic processes developed into a Russian self vs anti-self; superior west vs inferior East psychosis. Great job!

Posted by: snake | Apr 22 2023 10:33 utc | 90

Question: will NATO (or Parts thereof, i.e. “coalition”) be openly entering the wider theater (formally recognised Ukraine) boots on the ground? I can think of 4 scenarios:

A. As part of the offensive, e.g. to free troops in the west, to bring NATO operated supply and support hubs closer to the front, to secure Odessa via amphibious landing, to support air defense/strikes with NATO systems/planes.

B. After the offensive to deter a Russian counter attack, I.e. to minimise territorial gains by Russia and to secure whatever Kiev/NATO holds in “peace negotiations”.

C. Never. NATO and Russia will freeze the conflict along the lines of contact in summer/fall.

D. Never. NATO and Kiev continue their resistance for another year or two on the current trajectory until their whole enterprise collapses. NATO writes off its invests but leaves Russia with a Novarossija and rump state Ukraine which (in NATO thinking) Russia will be unable to pacify for generations to come - so keeping all its attention and resources tied to this one task and territory whilst NATO will consolidate, rearm and refocus in order to pose an even more serious challenge another 5-10 years from now.

Posted by: Arminius | Apr 22 2023 10:38 utc | 91

Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 22 2023 9:34 utc | 91

What that means is that you can't accumulate capital over time as it gets repeatedly destroyed in wars. Europe has all these castles, cathedrals and various other buildings dating back to many centuries ago, Russia has almost nothing, because whatever was accumulated during times of peace ...

Very well put.

But it's different now.

Technology has changed the game completely.

The initial advantages accorded to the Anglo-Saxon world through their ability to exploit the results of the industrial revolution have now percolated to much of the rest of the world.

To emphasize with yet another cliche':

The playing fields have been levelled.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 22 2023 10:47 utc | 92

Neither of those. "...NATO will consolidate, rearm and refocus to pose an even more serious challenge another 5_10 years from now" . How much you want to bet NATO won't exist within 5 years?

Posted by: Phariah | Apr 22 2023 10:50 utc | 93

So Prigozhin is saying that NATO is responsible for Ukraine being able to mount counter-offensives - more than a year into the war.

This constitutes an admission on his part that Russia's military, although it is several times the size of its opponent, is bogged down and lacks the resources to advance, and that Russia did not make any provision for the notion that Ukraine might hold out long enough for NATO and other Western powers to intervene in the first place.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Apr 22 2023 11:02 utc | 94

CoCa:

How General Climate defeated the AFU.

1. In recent weeks, the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has increasingly stated that the success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk was prevented by the climate, or rather by Russia's "use" of climate weapons. Like, if it wasn't for that, we would have shown everyone there.

2. These statements try to justify both the successes of the Wagner PMCs in the Artemivsk direction, and the failures of the AFU in attempts to counterattack north and south of Artemivsk, as well as the tough defense of the APU in the city itself.

3. Indeed, the fighting in the area of Artemovsk is complicated by the mudslide, which affects the course of hostilities. But as it is not difficult to guess, it is more difficult to attack in the conditions of a thaw than to defend, because the defender in prepared positions is much less faced with the problem of moving equipment outside of paved and highways than the attacker.

4. Since during the fighting near Artemovsk, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Wagner PMCs were constantly advancing, the problem of rasputitsa had a greater impact on them than on the APU. Serious problems for the AFU began when, as a result of the offensive of our troops, key paved roads to Artemovsk were taken under fire control, which forced the use of primers and fields to supply the Artemovsky group. After that, there was whining about rasputitsa. While the APU controlled the roads, they did not complain much about the thaw.

5. With the counteroffensive at Artemovsk, the same story. Its necessity stems from the situation of operational environment and loss of control over paved roads. But the thaw naturally prevents us from advancing across the fields. But this is already a consequence of the current operational situation, not the reason. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine knew perfectly well that there would be a strong thaw in the Artemovsk area in the winter and spring (the special department of the General Staff deals with weather issues when planning operations), but hoped that due to tough defense, our offensive would slow down and our troops would suffer more from it, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine would be able to keep supplies on paved roads. They couldn't. And now they are trying to blame everything on the weather.

6. In general, the AFU, in the style of the Germans, are trying to blame the reasons for the defeat on the climate, and not on the actions of our troops, who drove the APU in Artemovsk into a difficult situation, which actually exacerbated the problems of logistics and rasputitsa.

Posted by: IT3UT | Apr 22 2023 11:05 utc | 95

Phariah | Apr 22 2023 10:50 utc | 97

How much you want to bet NATO won't exist within 5 years?

Nothing as chances are even. If you ask me for 15 years, I‘d bet all I have.

If it is not NATO, it will be a Western European coalition under Germany. Full fledged reenactment of the last crusade. Western financialized Oligarchs are not finished yet and, again, war against Russia is the only lifeline they see for partly the same, partly newly emerged reasons than 90 years ago. Basically using the preparation of war against Russia as a catalyst for the rearrangement of their economies (green and arms) and societies (repression and propaganda) back home. Destroying a major geopolitical and ideological obstacle to braking any resistance by major classes/strata back home as well as unruly “jungle” nations abroad! The goal is to prevent a democratic multipolar breakthrough for another three generations (100 Years) so that they and their parasitic offspring can live well into their hundereds by quite literally soaking our blood.

Posted by: Arminius | Apr 22 2023 11:17 utc | 96

Inki | Apr 22 2023 9:22 utc | 90

Re RFK Jr.’s bid for US presidency:

While this is a side issue to the US/NATO war with the RF, it may serve to cut through the ignorance of the US populace, who are more concerned about domestic issues similar to the US populace’s condition in 1940.

Of note, RFK’s speech this week contained several overt references to his Uncle Jack’s brief presidency, during which the US MIC several times were refused JFK’s approval for a First Strike against the USSR. JFK instead chose a back path of dialogue with Kruschev while also maintaining a public posture of military strength. Based on RFK’s long history of legal support for working class people against environmentally destructive corporations, his formative years being deeply affected by the CIA’s assassination of both his father and his uncle, and his brilliant and deeply researched exposure of the 35 years of lies by federal agencies and Big Pharma that resulted in illegal gain of function research and, ultimately, the worldwide Covid debacle, one can reasonably assume that he is both well-informed and well-intentioned.

As there has been no one in US politics for the past 30 years that has exhibited either of those traits, RFK Jr.’s candidacy is a very good thing for the world. It remains to be seen whether he has the strength to actually accomplish anything in the US if elected.

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 22 2023 11:50 utc | 97

IT3UT @ 99

If the Ukes actually believe RF has weather weapons, has wrested control of the heavens from The Almighty -- perhaps they should pick a fight somewhere else.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 22 2023 12:03 utc | 98

Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Apr 21 2023 22:39 utc | 46
TRUMP 2024

A large percentage of barflies are clear eyed that power centers throughout the most recent global empire attract sociopathic, narcissistic types-- fill in the blank with name here-- who do their makeovers and try to sell themselves as Luke Skywalker. Funny to watch through that lens but deadly serious as we "participate" with our popcorn from our couches in the West.

Trump was a spoiled rich kid, a hedonistic follower of Roy Cohn, Hugh Heffner and other trash as he pranced through his younger years, appearing on Howard Stern's-- "show me your titties"-- show more than any guest in the late 90s bragging about pussy and cheating at golf. His skill set developed in constructing casinos, high rises and brothels, not much in the political centers. He got in over his head. He wasn't supposed to win. He tried to fit in by picking guys from the in crowd-- Pompeo, Elliot Abrams (Vicky Nuland's evil twin), bowing down to Israel-- but he wasn't consistent and lacked the skills of a Dick Cheney/Barak Obama (Nuland worked for both).

Running for president of the US is like running for leader of the Latin Kings: they are mafias. You make it in and you do what they tell you and you do it with skill or you are fired.

bottom line, resist the temptation to jump on Trump's RFK's, or anyone's train. The stakes are high. Do not power the evil empire's trip.

Posted by: migueljose | Apr 22 2023 12:11 utc | 99

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 22 2023 11:50 utc | 101

RFK
Kim Iverson, Sabby Saabs and others whom I watch are taking a look at RFK jr. Much of what he says resonates with me. However, his portrayal of Ukraine is one step away from neocon, probably in line with Obama. And... his son apparently put on his Luke Skywalker suit and flew into Ukraine to burnish his image as a Foreign Legion freedom fighter which garnered huge respect from RFK even while they disagree on Ukraine.

I would not consider RFK without hearing a convincing, detailed account of Ukraine's history over the past 30 years along with Russia's struggles and actions. And U.S. imperial actions including NATO since 1990.

Posted by: migueljose | Apr 22 2023 12:27 utc | 100

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