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April 19, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-94
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Patriots now apparently confirmed delivered. Likely happened previously. Posted by: NJH | Apr 19 2023 18:02 utc | 1
Posted by: Down South | Apr 19 2023 18:08 utc | 2 Via Glenn Greenwald on Twitter:
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 19 2023 18:29 utc | 3 “On April 4, we insisted that Zaluzhny considers such an offensive to be “suicide.” Posted by: Cerena | Apr 19 2023 18:40 utc | 4 Patriots in probably means an offensive is soon. Ukraine has been told they have until the end of fighting season before they get pushed to make peace. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 19 2023 18:40 utc | 5 @ Down South | Apr 19 2023 18:08 utc | 3 Posted by: gpc | Apr 19 2023 18:41 utc | 6 If both sides decide to try to beat each other to the draw you will have a series of meeting engagements that favours the historical doctrine and force superiority (especially aviation and artillery) of the Russians. Their Cold-War doctrine, forged from WW2 experiences and likely force posture (aggressive mechanised advances) is absent in NATO doctrine, as a result of that organisations different experiential learning from the war, and likely role in any future one. Posted by: Milites | Apr 19 2023 18:43 utc | 7 There is much talk about Ukraine‘s counteroffensive recently. Posted by: Lesjeuxsontfaits | Apr 19 2023 18:47 utc | 8 Kinzhal strike on Lviv NATO bunker likely a hoax
The strike with six Kinzhal missiles happened on March 9, 2023. The above story was published more than a week earlier. The Source is CAIRNS NEWS, “North Queensland People Power News Service” in Australia. I am not sure if “Cossack Colonel Yuri Kominyenko” is a real person. Here is a photo of him, with the flag of the Sakhalin Oblast in the background. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 19 2023 18:48 utc | 9 Ukie D-Day ain’t happening yet! Posted by: LGB! | Apr 19 2023 18:52 utc | 10 Kyiv Independent speaks of ‘complex operations’ of the ‘counteroffensive’now. Maybe in 4 areas. I think Ukraine would probe and see what happens and then declare the offensive on, if there is the least progress. Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 19 2023 19:20 utc | 11 Total destruction here, and definitely it wasn’t an empty field — there are ruins, shells and burnt equipment all over the place:
The question is how is it possible that even after such devastation RU has only advanced by a couple miles in that direction since January…. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 19:23 utc | 12 @9 Posted by: paddy | Apr 19 2023 19:23 utc | 13 Ukrainian rhetoric increasingly hysterical and contradictory. Posted by: Chris | Apr 19 2023 19:29 utc | 14 @Petri Krohn | Apr 19 2023 18:48 utc | 10 Posted by: gpc | Apr 19 2023 19:31 utc | 15 T | Apr 19 2023 19:25 utc | 15 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 19 2023 19:37 utc | 16 @LGB! | Apr 19 2023 18:52 utc | 11 Posted by: gT | Apr 19 2023 19:59 utc | 18 gT – did you mean to reply to Shaddowbanned? My footage was of Russians storming the Ukies trenches. Pretty sure that is real. I think Shadowbanned’s footage is of an earlier strike and not FAB. Posted by: LGB! | Apr 19 2023 20:03 utc | 19 No one on this site or almost anywhere else has predicted the course of this war correctly. Only the Russian MOD knows what lies ahead. But it is clear that Ukraine will lose this war–but only if Russia prevents it from happening. The Ukrainians and NATO have gone all in just to keep the Russians contained in the Donbass. Whether there is a spring/summer offensive or not, Ukraine and NATO will seek to negotiate only after the next-to-last Ukrainian has died and Russia is free to break out clear to the Dnieper and beyond. Ukraine will then hope world pressure will force Russia into an agreement before the latter’s original aims have been fulfilled–a complete demilitarization of Ukraine and elimination of all Azov fascist elements. If that occurs, Russia will have tragically snatched defeat from victory. Posted by: FHTEX | Apr 19 2023 20:04 utc | 20 South Korea is being disingenuous about its involvement on the Ukie side of the conflict as it’s been supplying 155mm ammo and is the manufacturer of Paladin SPA systems along with other military items. RT reports:
Those remarks prompted Dmitri Medvedev to say according to RT: “Moscow could offer advanced weapons to North Korea if South Korea begins to supply military aid to Ukraine.” “The Ukrainian officers who are with their units in Bakhmut believe that this city should have been abandoned as soon as the “Wagner” units reached the key heights.” Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 20:17 utc | 22 Krohn @3, It is Ironic that we in the U.S. are arresting ‘unregistered Russian Agents’ and then pointing the finger at Russia for having ‘Treason Laws’ https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-turns-to-treason-laws-as-putin-extends-crackdown-ba8321b6 Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 19 2023 20:48 utc | 23 The outbreak in Kyiv, preliminary, was the result of a NASA space satellite falling to Earth, the Kyiv city military administration said. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 20:49 utc | 24 Minimum, incomplete, low-ball KIA(only)(FEBA only) 725+ … Translated:
Unfortunately, it is not clear that Russia will win the war. Russia will 100% win if it decides that it really wants to win. But that is where the big question mark lies.
But as it’s well established, I am a concern troll, so what do I know… Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 20:58 utc | 26
There were also two very big mushroom clouds reported in Bela Tserkva south of Kiev. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 21:01 utc | 27 3 more HATO planes demilitarized. Excellent. Posted by: Chris | Apr 19 2023 21:01 utc | 28 @ shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 19:23 utc | 12 Posted by: malenkov | Apr 19 2023 21:05 utc | 29 @shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 19:23 utc | 12 Posted by: barstool | Apr 19 2023 21:13 utc | 30 If one has the advantage of being presented with the opportunity of a duck shoot in one’s back yard, why go beyond the yard searching for 🦆? Posted by: Big Johnny Potatoes | Apr 19 2023 21:22 utc | 31 Bakhmut is being reported as being 90% taken by the Russians. Each week for the last 3 weeks around 5% of Bakhmut is taken by the Russians. This week, the northern sector of Bakhmut is falling to the Russians. Posted by: young | Apr 19 2023 21:23 utc | 32 young: Russia has no desire to launch a capricioys and unprovoked nuclear strike. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 19 2023 21:26 utc | 33 The Bilaya Tserka hit looks interesting. Some people claim it was another weapon depot (very large one). Perhaps it all blew up at the same time, creating the large fireball that rose and dissipated into smoke. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 21:27 utc | 34 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 21:27 utc | 35 Posted by: Chris | Apr 19 2023 21:39 utc | 35 A nation’s first priority is to protect it’s citizens Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 19 2023 21:43 utc | 36 Down South | Apr 19 2023 18:08 utc | 2 “…Zelensky…forced…[to play] Russian roulette…” Posted by: OttoE | Apr 19 2023 21:48 utc | 37 Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 20:58 utc | 27 Posted by: kupkee | Apr 19 2023 21:53 utc | 38 @ NJH | Apr 19 2023 18:02 utc | 1
An ~BDE a day, supplied & equipped ? A Corps(-), 28,000/week ? An Army, 112,000/month ?! Curious. Evidence to support this claim ? @Big Johnny Potatoes 32 Posted by: Big Johnny Potatoes | Apr 19 2023 21:54 utc | 40 Petri Krohn @ #3:
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 19 2023 21:58 utc | 41 Posted by: Outraged | Apr 19 2023 21:54 utc | 40 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 21:59 utc | 42 I would recommand reading this 2019 article by Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 19 2023 21:59 utc | 43 Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 20:58 utc | 27 Posted by: Milites | Apr 19 2023 22:06 utc | 44 @ unimperator | Apr 19 2023 21:59 utc | 43 Posted by: Outraged | Apr 19 2023 20:53 utc | 26 Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 19 2023 23:00 utc | 46 @T | Apr 19 2023 19:25 utc | 14 Posted by: Hermit | Apr 19 2023 23:01 utc | 47 @Down South | Apr 19 2023 18:08 utc | 2 Posted by: gpc | Apr 19 2023 23:08 utc | 48 @ Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 19 2023 20:58 utc | 27 Posted by: Richard L | Apr 19 2023 23:13 utc | 49 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 21:59 utc | 43 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 19 2023 23:38 utc | 50 given its significance i am posting on the possible hoax re kinzal. Posted by: watcher | Apr 19 2023 23:48 utc | 51 @ Babel-17 | Apr 19 2023 23:00 utc | 47 From TASS, Kiev dubs Ukrainian army’s actions in Avdeyevka, Artyomovsk as ‘part of counteroffensive’
Let’s hope this doesn’t herald a discussion about what the definition of “is” is. Posted by: David Levin | Apr 20 2023 0:07 utc | 53 @ LGB! | Apr 19 2023 18:52 utc | 10 Posted by: Ново З | Apr 20 2023 0:09 utc | 54 Novo – here is the abbreviated version – main shootings happen from about 1 minute in: Posted by: LGB! | Apr 20 2023 0:20 utc | 55 PlatoIAmNot: The West doesn’t embrace western values; why should anyone else? Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2023 0:24 utc | 56 At around 1:50 on this video, the Uke are shooting at a few Russians from the meat wave who are already down. Is this a war crime? Posted by: LGB! | Apr 20 2023 0:25 utc | 57 Posted by: Outraged | Apr 19 2023 23:55 utc | 53 Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 20 2023 0:32 utc | 58 Reasonable speculation by Gaius Baltar posted today on Larry Johnson’s blog regarding RF’s actions at the beginning of the SMO. Worth reading. Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 20 2023 0:35 utc | 59 Ukie D-Day ain’t happening yet! LoL its hilarious that they have to announce and clarify that this IS THEIR COUNTEROFFENSIVE. Posted by: Comandante | Apr 20 2023 1:31 utc | 61 Abrogard – I agree, pucker factor high in this one. From what I understand, they are near (defending?) the ‘Road of Death’ into Bakhmut. I will check to see if it has been geolocated yet. Posted by: LGB! | Apr 20 2023 1:31 utc | 62 young | Apr 19 2023 21:23 utc | 33 “It looks like Putin is planning to have Bakhmut in its hand by the end of the month.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2023 1:33 utc | 63 Interesting bull shit: Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Apr 20 2023 1:36 utc | 64 Anyone know where I can view more revelatory stuff like that? Posted by: LGB! | Apr 20 2023 1:36 utc | 65 @ David Levin | Apr 20 2023 0:07 utc | 54 Reasonable speculation by Gaius Baltar posted today on Larry Johnson’s blog regarding RF’s actions at the beginning of the SMO. Worth reading. Posted by: osi | Apr 20 2023 1:54 utc | 67 Ciaran @ 61 Posted by: dh | Apr 20 2023 2:21 utc | 68 Thanks for that link, @61 Posted by: Chris | Apr 20 2023 2:39 utc | 69 William Schryver has a new post up on his substack based on a Twitter feed. Well worth a view. Posted by: morongobill | Apr 20 2023 2:53 utc | 70 young #33
BS. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2023 3:03 utc | 71 Mr. Simplicius The Thinker has posted yet another fine Sit-rep, “Dark Clouds Roll-in” that eventually cites a statement made by Russian Duma member and former General Andrei Gurulyov:
His statement along with Simplicius’s prompted me to write the following long comment about that issue–the End Game and its timing:
My paraphrase: We will stop those striving for world domination because that’s what Russian’s do, and we will again do it now; and we won’t stop until we’re done. ” At around 1:50 on this video, the Uke are shooting at a few Russians from the meat wave who are already down. Is this a war crime? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 20 2023 3:26 utc | 73 @10 – that was intense; also quite sad to see that after more than a century, trench warfare is still with us. Obviously the Ukrainian army is not out of ammo, at least in that small sample size. Posted by: LGB! | Apr 20 2023 3:38 utc | 74 Looks like a Ukrainian tug boat damaged a US warship…..no, wait, looks like it was Russian, no, wait, no, it’s a US tug boat…..maybe a market for long range tug boats opening up….hmmm. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2023 3:40 utc | 75 Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 19 2023 18:48 utc | 10 Posted by: spudski | Apr 20 2023 3:42 utc | 76 Kiev must be targeted when the spring offensive begins. That will disrupt Ukraine’s plans and many units will rush north. Bust Ukraine’s bridges on their path. Target bottlenecks that build up near damaged bridges and other choke points. Posted by: Jason | Apr 20 2023 3:47 utc | 77
https://t.me/legitimniy/15172 Posted by: Down South | Apr 20 2023 4:17 utc | 78
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42627 Posted by: Down South | Apr 20 2023 4:25 utc | 81 spudski | Apr 20 2023 3:42 utc | 78 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2023 4:54 utc | 82 Karlof1 @74 Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 20 2023 4:56 utc | 83 I posted a link to the actual article up thread. Cairns Australia dated the 1st. Easy enough to find using what PK quoted as search term. Posted by: spudski | Apr 20 2023 5:05 utc | 85 peter@AU1 @ 86 Posted by: emersonreturn | Apr 20 2023 5:06 utc | 86 Can’t help get the feeling that the Ukraine probes searching for weak points on the front line will only find what gaps the Russians have left to allow them to enter the Killing Zone. Posted by: ZimZum | Apr 20 2023 5:07 utc | 87 Petri Krohn #3 Uhuru – African People’s Socialist Party was raided in 2 cities last year. Dancing with Bears John Helmer (I believe) interviewed them after the raid. Early Jan they were stating they expected indictments. https://www.theburningspear.com/2023/01/FBI-ATTACK-UPDATE-indictments-of-Uhuru-Movement-members-expected-early-2023 Posted by: paxmark1 | Apr 20 2023 5:08 utc | 88 emersonreturn | Apr 20 2023 5:06 utc | 88 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2023 5:13 utc | 89 An LGBT troll has hit the bar. Posted by: Ново З | Apr 20 2023 5:14 utc | 90 peterAU1 @ 91 Posted by: emersonreturn | Apr 20 2023 5:24 utc | 91 Ново З | Apr 20 2023 5:14 utc | 92 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2023 5:29 utc | 92 Paul Damascene @85 Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 20 2023 5:43 utc | 93 One cannot help but think, and this is out the box thinking, that following the Brexit event where the U.K. left the #EU and was being treated as a minor nation the British Empire manoeuvred the world into this war to destroy Germans (again), milk the American stupid morons for cash and equipment sucking them into a war (again) and ensure western oligarchy (of perverts) is maintained against Russian influence (again)… Posted by: Timboz | Apr 20 2023 5:49 utc | 94 Timboz [96] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 20 2023 5:59 utc | 95 @NJH | Apr 19 2023 18:02 utc | 1
A Patriot act as good as any. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2023 6:09 utc | 96 Wet weather in eastern Ukraine and an occasional dry but cloudy day for the next fortnight. Slush and sloppy roads dont suit panthers let alone leopards. You can count on the Siberian Tigers to keep up the pace. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2023 6:10 utc | 97 Interesting times. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Apr 20 2023 6:13 utc | 98 The Ukraine at this point can talk but not walk. The “offensive” — if they try it – will be a death sentence for the Banderites, with the whole house of cards falling. So all this talk is just propaganda. The problem is there is so much of it in eh mainstream media. Most of us still read the MSM, or watch TV –or Google. And constant repetition works. Especially when we get it from friends and family. Universal literacy is both a blessing and a curse. Edward Bernays was quick to point out that education is also a medium for propaganda. Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Apr 20 2023 6:14 utc | 99 I don’t see it mentioned much, but it seems to me that in an existential war, Russia might not “win”, but they simply cannot “lose”. The reason is that massive pile of nukes. Same for China and USA. Maybe France, not sure. Posted by: Boris Badenov | Apr 20 2023 6:26 utc | 100 |
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