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April 17, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-93
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barstool @84 Apr 17 2023 23:56 utc —
In case you missed this, here it is again:
barstool @266 et al–
Thanks for your contributions to the discourse on hypersonics. Back in 2004 when Putin announced their existence, he stated they were based on new physical properties and materials, and subsequent announcements were just as vague. I recall after his 2018 announcement that was accompanied by some video there was quite a discussion here about what those properties and materials might consist of, which of course was all educated conjecture. Now that some have been employed in combat, the conversation begins anew. Recall that cannon balls were initially solid shot designed to destroy castle walls made of rock, whose density/thickness was increased as a countermeasure. Until recently, there was no real increase in the velocity of solid shot, so explosives were substituted, but they too have their limitations. Nuclear weapons usually detonate above the ground to direct their energy downward and out, but generally lack the ability to penetrate. The return of extremely high velocity solid shot is thus an excellent hypothesis. The “magic” appears to be the weapon’s ability to avoid disintegration upon impact, but still its penetrating ability must be limited, so the use of several on the same line arriving in intervals to attain the degree of penetration observed. And of course, some will have explosives since their targets differ from deeply buried bunkers.
About our poor leaker:
And by the way, I believe that all the talk about his interest of weapons was an invitation to him to eigther go on a shooting spree or even better, to kill himself. They gave him a lot of time to consider his options after interviewing his friends about his weapons the day before they picked him up.
Evil, evil empire
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 18 2023 0:57 utc | 102
Peter AU @93 “The Teixeira identity most likely does not exist as a person. A fictional identity.”
You could be onto something there Peter. Wouldn’t surprise me if Kamala Harris is involved too. She has an interest in seeing Biden kicked out.
Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2023 1:05 utc | 103
@ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 17 2023 23:43 utc | 83
As I said a few days ago, any plausible method for Mr. Tex to get the documents can’t hold up.
While he was being arrested, I thought the most likely method was grabbing docs from the classified burn bag. But that requires someone at his local command level to be viewing them in the first place. Obviously that doesn’t happen at NG locations with CIA docs.
But the charges make it sound like he was simply “searching the classified network” and found these documents, then printed them out, and took them home to be photographed, then placed on public internet.
But that doesn’t work on several levels.
As some have said, how does the CIA docs get on the DoD network? And how are they not blocked by simple searches? Public search engines can easily block content from being displayed. A classified network, with different layers of data and authorizations would be easy to do the same, based on the user information and user location. What isn’t said is that using the DoD network, you need layers of authorization specific to that location. Very simple to deny access from terminals that don’t meet your criteria for access. So a NG site probably can’t get files from the Joint Chiefs w/o special permission.
So, for any IT professionals in the room, that story simply can’t hold water.
Once the files were found, they would probably have some obscurity in the naming. Ex: “uforccapsumupdt28” Ukraine Forces Summary Update #28.
Some knowledge of the organization and people actually naming files is required or large amounts of time are spent opening random files. Since the files appear to be generated by 2 or more organizations, the naming conventions would be different. Even more time.
Once the files are found, it is maybe 50-50 that the originator used the std MS password protect feature for opening. The FBI can probably crack that in a few minutes, but not a 21 yr old E3.
Once open, they have to be printed. Getting printer access in a SCIF isn’t easy, again a junior grade would not have his own authorization. In fact very probable a higher up would review docs before handing them to an E3. A folder would be prepared for storage (and a safe location) after use, or placed into burn bag. A senior officer or GS would make certain that everything is taken care of at the end of each work day.
Smuggling the docs out would not be easy. If that location is a TS facility, then there are several hurdles to clear to be able to get 30 or 40 pages out at a time.
So this means that at the very least:
DoD classified network is run worse than many internal commercial networks.
E3 superiors, E5 or E6 and CPT were not paying attention.
SCF civilians (GS12 or GS 13) were not doing their jobs.
Building security guards were not doing their jobs.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Apr 18 2023 1:28 utc | 104
93/98: VPs are often head of the National Security Council meetings which take place once/week.
Posted by: Dulles_Did_Dallas | Apr 18 2023 1:29 utc | 105
Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 0:33 utc | 91
At the moment at think that the documents come from DNI can reasonably be assumed. Bellingcat covers the ground as to how the documents ended up on 4chan servers. The identity arrested supposedly as the leak is a weekend warrior whose unit is actualy part of airforce information warfare sect.
DNI, Bellingcat, airforce information warfare section involvement to date.
Donbass Devushka
@PeImeniPusha
As was revealed yesterday in *The Wall Street Journal* a former colleague, who we will call ‘A Stalker’ to protect their identity, divulged many of DD’s personal details including her name to NAFO.
We are writing to keep you updated. As you have seen here the channel founder DD has been doxxed by NAFO with her personal details leaked online, including images of her daughter, one of her addresses and urgesfor her to take her own life.
……..
I believe Donbass Devushka chanel was deliberatly targeted and there are two sets of the casualty documents, neither being photoshopped or in anyway changed once they had left the point were they were drawn up. Donbass Devushka was targeted with the documents on the 5th and I believe that is were the Document showing higher casualty rate was inserted.
As the documents on 5th appeared on DD telegram only two hours after appearing on 4chan, it is a near certainty DD received a tip
The document showing higher Russian casualty rates may well have appeared on the forth but I suspect DD received a tip off about the documents that went onto 4chan in a separate chat on the 5th.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:30 utc | 106
dh | Apr 18 2023 1:05 utc | 98
With DNI involvement it would seem there is involvement from at least some faction in thge whitehouse.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:32 utc | 107
Peter Au @ 102 I have a high-ranking friend in the US military (retired, alcoholic) who tells me Victoria Nuland is thinking of running for president.
Sorry…I must stop this.
Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2023 1:37 utc | 108
dh
Well I guess if they cant put Biden in the whitehouse, anything possible. I haven’t seen any video of Harris or Nuland shaking hand with ghosts yet.
…………………
Ok, this nails it that DD was set up and with the document showing casualty rates favouring Russia.
https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1647392179730661379?cxt=HHwWhoDS6bGd29wtAAAA
Donbass Devushka
@PeImeniPusha
The initial post that Bellingcat has seized on was – as we have covered – a set of screenshots sent to one of the admins. When I realized what had happened, I deleted the post and the admin who posted them has been disciplined. More importantly we did not alter any documents.
………..
I had stopped reading the twitter account when it was made private ater the incident bujt it is open to the public again now.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:48 utc | 109
typos…
Well I guess if they can put Biden in the whitehouse, anythingis possible. I haven’t seen any video of Harris or Nuland shaking hands with ghosts yet.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:50 utc | 110
Peter AU @ 104
Wait till Harris and Nuland get scrapping. The fur will fly. Bellingcat will be on the case.
Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2023 1:52 utc | 111
Must be past whiskey oclock for me. Try fix typos and create more.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:52 utc | 112
Never forget that there’s a very bitter (and very alcoholic) First Lady who still thinks it’s “her turn”.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 18 2023 1:55 utc | 113
Why would they post docs critical of Ukraine?
1/ They didn’t. The original docs were “Ukraine is winning”.
This was posted on 4chan…. And interestingly, no one in FBI “investigation🤡) is pursuing who or who the 4pages appeared on 4chan.
Remember, the “leaks™️” were in two, perhaps 3 tranches.
The first 4 pages, then the 40-odd pages that kept being removed everywhere, until they were hosted on a) Chinese and then b) Korean sites.
2/ Once the 4chan leak blew up, Bellingcrap stepped in to create chaos, confusion, competing narratives…
So. The altered docs were released.
This then achieved the sheep dipping as “Russian disinfo”.
Donbass Devushka unwittingly stepped right into a steaming pile of BellingcrapCRAP.
Immediately the altered “Russia is winning” docs were posted on DD, two things were achieved.
i) hahahaha putinbots losing so bad. Butthurt so bad, they photoshopped the docs.
ii) corporate corralled stenographers made the claim: “the docs FIRST APPEARED on Russian telegram.
This was obfuscation. The ORIGINAL, unaltered docs first appeared on 4chan
The PHOTOSHOPPED docs, did “FIRST Appear” on Donbass Devushka.
I see Bellingcrap as probably hosting hundreds, if not thousands of discord servers, as incubators for a ready supply of compromised Pat Sehs.
It’s easy to get boys from very young ages to “shitpost” on line.
Bait them, egg them on. Put some cheese in a trap.
Some kid posts something stupid…. It’s logged, and he’s stored as a “here’s one prepared earlier” patsy.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 1:56 utc | 114
So on the 4th one lot of documents is posted no doubt a fake 4chan chat. Next day another fake chat is started then then shortly after, that set of docs is sent to the Donbass Devushka team, appearing on their channel two hours after the posting at 4chan.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:57 utc | 117
Leak leaks leaks. Real leaks, doubtful leaks, fake leaks. Offensive leaks, defensive leaks. Counter-offensive leaks, counter-defensive leaks. Psyop leaks, counter-psyop leaks. Pentagon leaks, Whitehouse leaks, WSJ leaks, WaPo leaks. Insider leaks, outsider leaks. I mean, seriously guys … who knows which is which anymore. Ain’t this just the era of information warfare. I’m now suspecting this whole current leaks genre is just a new nomenclature for the ago-old propaganda, disinformation, fake news, gaslighting ops which have gotten more tricky to decipher over the years, and which are designed to give the info more credibility. “Oooh, it’s a leak. It’s gotta be true”.
Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 18 2023 2:00 utc | 118
Now that we know for sure that DD channel was deliberately targeted it is obvious US wanted to get those documents circulating in Russian channels. Why?
I believe there will be information in to try and mislead Ru MoD prior to the upcoming Uki offensive.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:04 utc | 119
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 18 2023 1:56 utc | 111
But this still requires Bellingcat to be part of the original document leak. That requires 1) Bellingcat was provided access to these Top Secret documents, and 2) the subsequent documents contained material critical of Ukraine’s capabilities which supposedly are still provided by Bellingcat.
It just doesn’t hold water. The only logical explanation is someone high up in the Pentagon (either Joint Chiefs or close to them or DIA) or DNI (or someone close to them) with access to both DoD and CIA and State documents released these documents. That they would use Bellingcat to do so makes no sense when they had a patsy like Tiexiera available.
Even if Bellingcat has a motive, say, orders from CIA or the Obama gang, to dump on Biden, this goes counter to Bellingcat’s usual motivation to attack Russia. And again, Bellingcat has no apparent association with either Teixiera or the original document release, but only with the subsequent MSM spin.
Bellingcat is the one manipulating the MSM coverage – not the leak itself.
Again, Occam’s Razor applies. The only people with REAL motivation to release these docs are people opposed to the US policy on Ukraine. And that does not include Obama/Clintons or Bellingcat or anyone associated with the Biden administration policy focus.
So, still not buying it.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:08 utc | 120
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:04 utc | 114
If so, it’s a really stupid idea on the part of the schemers, because Russian intelligence is not going to be fooled by this sort of nonsense. Russia has already dismissed it all as crap and America’s problem, not theirs.
People keep trying to push new speculations as plausible. Well, it’s “plausible” that grey aliens were responsible – but not fucking likely.
As I keep saying, Occam’s Razor – and cui bono – applies here. The ONLY people who benefit from this are people opposed to Biden’s policy on Ukraine. Everything else that is happening benefits ONLY people who want to confuse the actual benefit. That includes Bellingcat.
People fall for this sort of misdirection, confusion, and obfuscation every time. Every new “plausible conspiracy theory” just serves the PTB more.
Things usually are exactly what they seem – until people start speculating about it, then it becomes chaos. And chaos only serves the PTB. We saw this in covid, we saw this in the Biden 2020 election win, and so on. Everything happens as it appeared until idiots with over-inflated notions of their own comprehension of things started speculating and building “connect-the-dots” theories with zero actual evidence.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:15 utc | 121
@RHS #94
In September, during a successful Ukrainian offensive in the northeast, President Putin personally called a local commander to tell him not to withdraw his soldiers despite a looming encirclement, the Wall Street Journal reported.
I can’t call Putin today to confirm, but: bullshit bullshit bullshit.
From everything I’ve seen of Putin since I really started studying him in 2014… he’s scrupulous with chain of command, whether it’s foreign relations, domestic policy or military.
We see him receiving his ministers. He receives recommendations. He acts on those. Him stepping in over Shoigu, Gerasimov, Surovikin….. and the local commander(s)
Bull. Shit.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:16 utc | 122
Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 18 2023 2:00 utc | 113
Or, “it’s a leak – it is true”, but now everything that is said about it is untrue. This is how these things work. The obfuscation comes AFTER the event, not before it. And it is welcomed by everyone because it gives everyone the feeling that they understand the situation better than anyone else, when in reality the exact opposite is true.
And that applies to most of the people here, which is why I’m finding less and less reason to bother with this site as opposed to people with actual experience like McGovern, Johnson and others. The consensus there appears to be congealing around the likelihood that the leak was real, although the alleged source is not, and the reason is opposition to the Biden administration by a faction in the military-intelligence community.
I trust that theory – as far as I trust any, which isn’t far – much more than speculations based on when the stuff showed on 4chan and then extrapolated beyond all evidence.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:20 utc | 123
imo, sounds like the west has been talking to Prigojine. cannot leave a rump state full of natonazis to mass with poland and come back? could be totally wrong.
i would give wagner a break, if possible and also have some real listening at high levels to understand real concerns. i just can’t see full stop unless Russia is spent.
but i’m not getting maimed and killed, so what do i know.
Posted by: polarbear4 | Apr 18 2023 2:22 utc | 124
Any explanation why this kid, the supposed leaker, is being tried in civilian courts?
Posted by: Caveman | Apr 18 2023 2:24 utc | 125
Peter AU @93 “The Teixeira identity most likely does not exist as a person. A fictional identity.”
Uhm, no. There seems no doubt that he exists. The only question is, what is his real job title, what is his real infosec capability, and what was his actual access to what documents? As I’ve stated, all the evidence suggests he simply could not have done this absent some really bizarre and cascading lapses in standard military security.
OTOH, Dick Marcinko demonstrated repeatedly with his Red Cell SEAL Team that “military security” is easily penetrated. I just doubt Teixiera is on the level of Red Cell (which generally didn’t do hacking operations, but usually “black bag” jobs to access government safes, etc.), let alone a truly motivated capable hacker with insider knowledge of military security – if his job classification was really “Cyber Transport Operations Journeyman.”
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:29 utc | 126
Its a pretty sure thing that none of these document are actually working documents, but rather they have been specially drawn up for this operation.
Dobass Devushka confirmed my suspicion that there was two sets of casualty docs put into circulation. That means there were drawn up just for this operation. All the others will be the same.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:29 utc | 127
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Apr 18 2023 1:28 utc | 99
Exactly. As I say, “bizarre and cascading lapses in security”, which would seem very unlikely that they played into the hands of some gamer dude.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:30 utc | 128
Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 0:47 utc | 93
More interesting than PatSeh’s identity…. Is several commentators @ Sonar21 have stated Boy’s step dad is senior military intel.
Do we know more about Step Dad?
The other interesting comment I picked up somewhere was the leak™️ was timed / coincided with Biden being in Ireland.
POTUS being OS is a huge “disruption to The Force”.
Resources stretched, people step up into “acting” or delegated roles while senior people are out of country.
Time differences.
Hoopla of POTUS on the road.
Add an extra layer of chaos and confusion to an already chaotic, reeling administration… bifurcated with intrigue and incendiary divisions.
Everyone is jostling ahead of 2024…
And I repeat… while we here try to make sense of TheLeaks™️, we are not the intended audience. It was a message intended for a small cabal internally.
We’ve been provided with the TV script; for the General Public, it’s case closed; move along, folks…. Here, be distracted with a new series, new season, next episode…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:31 utc | 129
RSH @ 2:08 utc
That may all be so; beats me as to what it has to do with Killary’s WH aspirations.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 18 2023 2:35 utc | 130
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 18 2023 0:49 utc | 95
Where the fuck did I say Zelensky does? Prigozhin has zero military experience. Go look up his bio and see where he has any clue. He runs Wagner as a manager, nothing more, and as I said, most likely a front person for the Russian General Staff or SVR who uses Wagner as an instrument of Russian foreign policy as a “black ops” unit much like Prince’s Academi is used by the US and CIA.
This doesn’t remotely give him access to the ultimate plans of Putin or the General Staff with regards to Ukraine. Not someone who can’t keep his mouth shut for 24 hours.
Not to mention that, even assuming he’s a big mouth, if he WAS given access to those plans, why would he tell them publicly without being slapped down?
Assuming that anything he says is exactly the same as Putin believes or intends is simply moronic.
I quit discussing this with idiots. If you’re dumb enough to buy into this BS, you’re fucking welcome to it.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:35 utc | 131
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:16 utc | 117
I agree. I didn’t say everything in that article made sense. It was full of the usual misinformation as well. But the Ukrainian soldier testimony agrees with other sources that they’re taking horrendous losses of totally untrained conscripts. That was the point of posting the article – just more confirmation of what we already know.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:38 utc | 132
Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:31 utc | 124
Possibly, though respected potus is usually living in another world anyway.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:39 utc | 133
Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:04 utc | 114
it is obvious US wanted to get those documents circulating in Russian channels.
Why?
Because the “excitement” about the leak was gaining too much interest and discussion.
Once washed through the Russian Donbass Devushka telegram, everything could be jeered, sneered, and smeared as “Russian propaganda”.
Confusion STILL EXISTS as to who and where the original 4pages appeared.
Corporate stenographers were loud with “the docs FIRST APPEARED on Russian telegram” …. It’s been almost impossible to correct this to.
1/ Original “Ukraine is winning” unaltered docs = 4chan
2/ Photoshop “Russia is winning” docs = telegram.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:39 utc | 134
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 18 2023 2:35 utc | 125
Exactly. It’s apparently some people’s theory that Avril Haines did the leak in order to undermine Biden’s run for President, on orders from Obama and Clinton. Other people think it’s an attack on Trump, which makes even less sense.
I don’t buy it. Just more random speculation based on nothing whatsoever. Just contributing to the confusion.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:40 utc | 135
Melaleuca @129
Meet the parents..
https://nypost.com/2023/04/14/who-are-arrested-air-national-guardsman-jack-teixeiras-parents/
Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2023 2:45 utc | 136
RSH: All I’d meant to say is that if Kameltoesand Cookiemonster (!) had presidential aspirations, then one should not forget that there’s another woman who enjoys much more Party support, really wants the job, and has a reputation for ruthlessness.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 18 2023 2:46 utc | 137
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:29 utc | 122
“Its a pretty sure thing that none of these document are actually working documents, but rather they have been specially drawn up for this operation.”
It’s possible, but by no means a “sure thing”. I see no evidence either way. Some of the information in them appears to be true from ordinary news sources, others are unknown. In general, why work up completely bogus docs when you can just modify or use portions of genuine docs? the best lies are based on kernels of truth. Most of these docs don’t appear complete, anyway, just snippets and individual pages. Much easier to use the real thing, except to the degree you want to conceal “methods and sources” that might actually be damaging – or alter them like someone did with the casualty estimates.
We probably can conclude that this is a “limited hangout” – a small section of docs damaging enough to cause a reaction but not enough to cause real damage. Which further points to their being released intentionally rather than at random by some gamer guy who didn’t know and couldn’t know the full impact.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:48 utc | 138
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 1:50 utc | 105
Hate to break it to you. I know how you MoA types love your Russian propaganda, but DD was a psyop. Just like MacGregor, Johnson, Ritter, Martynov.
Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 18 2023 2:49 utc | 139
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 18 2023 2:46 utc | 132
Sure. But she doesn’t have access to those docs, either. So unless she controls someone who does, she’s not involved. Which again reduces to Avril Haines. Also, I find it unlikely that this sort of bizarre operation, which is highly indirect and unlikely to actually change Biden’s nomination likelihood in a year’s time, as compared to the economy and the defeat of Ukraine in the meantime, while exposing Haines to likely discovery due to her position in the Administration, is all that plausible compared to the alternative explanation I and Johnson and McGovern offer.
Again, Occam’s Razor. What is the simplest explanation? Someone in the high office of DoD or the intelligence community is against the Biden Ukraine policy. They aren’t after Biden’s job, they want Biden stopped before WWIII. More likely to be (delusional) Trump supporters than Clinton supporters, but even more likely to be, as Johnson suggests, a “patriot” who wants to save the country from a disaster.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:57 utc | 140
@RHS.
It was the 4chan post on 04/06/23(Thu)01:33:13 that started this.
Bellingcrap used twitter to point to the earlier “leak” on the Thug Shaker Discord server.
It’s the earlier Discord “leak” that Boy is being charged with.
How did Bellingcrap know immediately that there was an earlier leak on an obscure (20member?) Discord?
Why is only Boy being charged?
Why isn’t the 4chan poster being doxxed and pursued?
Also the 4chan leak was only 4pages
Then there was the later, larger leak.
It kept being scrubbed assiduously until it found a home on a Chinese site outside the tentacles of US control.
It’s now also on a Korean site because the Koreans are butthurt about what the leaks showed.
I repeat: The tranche of leaks were *never intended* for us… they were a weapon directed against a faction within the intel/ shadow Obama/ Biden administration(s).
Once “in the wild” Bellingcrap has done what it’s done in MH-17 and Skripals.
= Released competing and conflicting “intel”.
Created confusion, created noise and obfuscation.
The “made for tv” arrest of Boy has wrapped the issue for the public.
Only Sonar21, MoA and Judging Freedom are worrying at this in the way a six year old worries at a loose tooth…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:57 utc | 141
Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 18 2023 2:49 utc | 134
Just like you.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:58 utc | 142
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 2:57 utc | 136
I give up. If you want to believe Bellingcat organized this entire op, including the original leak, have at it.
It’s bullshit, but I’m tired of arguing with people who can’t see the obvious.
I’m done here. This is a complete waste of time.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 3:00 utc | 143
Avril Haines has no fear of exposure.
She’s at the top, connected and protected.
Now Boy has been charged, no one is even looking.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 3:02 utc | 144
These documents serve the purpose of distancing the Ukraibe fiasco which USUKIS stupidly engineered from the perpetrators.
Look we found all this going on through our intelligence networks. Nothing whatsoever to do with us, but we are truly concerned about what is going on and we want to draw the world’s attention , by means of this true Christian truth- seeking idealist young nan , to the awfulness of the Ukranian situation.
Pure Hollywood fiction. Not so.much early
excuses as concrete alibis that none of it is anything to do with them.
Despicable cowards, losers and foot in door con men and women
Posted by: Giyane | Apr 18 2023 3:03 utc | 145
Teixera is back in court on Wednesday I believe. With a lawyer. He will enter some kind of plea. If we’re lucky somebody will ask him how he got hold of the documents. Unless of course the judge is part of the plot.
Posted by: dh | Apr 18 2023 3:06 utc | 146
Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 2:48 utc | 133
Most of it is roughly public knowledge and the may well have some documents that were working documents.
A number of possible targets for this pysop. Preparing the public for the Afghanistan pull out. Biden. The Uki offensive? Air defence is one area that stand out as a possible. Do they have a stash of missiles they are saving for the offensive?
Doesn’t matter if has no effect on the Rus military but I am wondering that’s one reason the docs were deliberately inserted into Rus channels.
They could be targeting a number of birds with one stone or they could targeting just one.
One thing is for sure, all the fake concern over the ‘leak’ is part of the operation. Which reminds me another possible target is the censorship legislation over social media they are trying to push through.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 3:09 utc | 147
Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 3:00 utc | 138
But it is a question worth asking:
How DID Bellingcrap *immediately* know the leak first appeared on the Thug Shaker discord in February ??
Immediately that APRIL 04/06/23(Thu)01:33:13 post on 4chan was made,
Bellingcrap were in action… posting on twitter, alerting everyone to the FEBRUARY leak on a ?20-member? discord.
We know Bellingcrap is UK intelligence.
So we can ask… how did UK intelligence know about the FEBRUARY leak?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 3:11 utc | 148
zelenske is set to deploy hot air balloons
piloted by urkraine’s woke finest, hardened warriors
sprinkling glitter over the battlefield.
that is the spring offensive
Posted by: Dingo | Apr 18 2023 3:14 utc | 149
Larry Johnson was wrong about the leaks and the CIA internal docs not being accessible to an airman, just like I said he was on a previous thread. Now he’s backtracking, slowly, but surely (see his most recent post).
This highlights a problem with conspiracy theorists. They shoot their mouths off with certainty because they want something to be true to confirm their paranoid beliefs, but their info is distorted, one-sided, outdated or just plain wrong. Just because you don’t understand how something could happen doesn’t mean there is a sinister plot behind the events. It merely means that you’re not the know it all genius you portray yourself as being. Humility and common sense are in short supply these days and there is a surfeit of stupid ideas and babbling experts on the internet, all trying to carve out a niche as truth tellers and reveals of hidden knowledge. It’s like a cult.
Posted by: Eric Newhill | Apr 18 2023 3:18 utc | 150
Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 3:09 utc | 142
The altered docs were fed to Donbass Devushka so everything pertaining to the leaks could be dismissed as “Russian propaganda”.
Anyone in the great swill of hoi polloi showing interest in the leaks could be blasted with “hahahaha you’re swallowing Russian bullshit”.
It’s a “shut it down” technique.
Also, it opened an opportunity to target DD as the account was attracting too many eyeballs and posting material countering the corporate controlled media narrative.
They were waiting for a chance to attack the account, and by publishing the altered “leaks”, she/they stepped full-foot into the trap.
I’ll post the comparison between the original and altered docs again
https://files.catbox.moe/zpa2dc.mp
And yes. The Restrict Act (TicTok) act is a way to shut down private discords like Thug Shaker and their 10,000+ cousins
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 3:21 utc | 151
Age of new Psy Ops Who is behind the US intelligence leaks?
Scott Ritter Show 43 m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4PnNPTYfw
Posted by: suzan | Apr 18 2023 3:42 utc | 152
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 3:21 utc | 146
That one took me to Ukraine aka 404.
I have seen two separate comparisons and in each the opposite one looked to be the fake. It more just an issue of where whoever matches the the docs source them. In that one in your stash that I saw, the one on the right, Ukraine was a bit fuzzy
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 3:50 utc | 153
That what Larry Johnson has said that a friend still in the service told a CIA officer is stationed at the military bases and can access all the documents so DNI not necessarily involved.
Watching the Ritter and Johnson video, Johnson said that some information would be gleaned from them as to how US obtained its intel as regards anything on Russia. Johnson said that a few days ago which is why I think many or all have been produced specifically for this op.
They could well have been written up not long before appearing on 4chan and backdated.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 4:11 utc | 154
Simply handing the docs to an innocent 21 year old is a very hit and miss way to get those docs out into the public if that was the purpose.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2023 22:28 utc | 69
The explanation that comes most easily for me is that they want people to know that the guy was set up. Thus they pick up (or set up) somebody who is an unlikely suspect. Why they would want to do that is a matter of speculation.
I know of another situation where the motive was more obvious. The cops picked up the suspect to a murder that did not even remotely match the eye witness description of the real killer. Why would they do that? The apparent reason was to send the message out that they were not really looking for the killer. The killing an act of intimidation by the authorities. And then after things chill out and it is no longer newsworthy, let the guy go. The case remains unsolved.
Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 18 2023 4:21 utc | 156
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Strengthening of the AFU Grouping in #Kharkov Region⚡️
The situation on the border with #Belgorod and #Kursk regions is deteriorating every day. The number of shelling of nearby settlements is increasing. Civilians in Russian towns and villages are under regular strikes from artillery and kamikaze drones.
🔹Why is this happening?
Increased attacks on Russian regions (#Bryansk, #Kursk and #Belgorod) became possible after Russian troops withdrew from #Chernigov, #Sumy and #Kharkov regions – this opened access for the AFU to the border with #Russia.
“Freezing” of the front allowed the AFU to strengthen the northeast, especially in #Kharkov region, where fire positions have been deployed, the approaches are mined, and the training of mobilized takes place at training ranges.
🔹What else happen on in #Kharkov Region?
▪️ About 3,000 men from the 3rd Separate Tank Brigade, National Guard and Territorial Defence are concentrated in #Volchansk district. There are artillery crews near the border settlements.
▪️ On 15 April, another 1,000 men were moved to #Kharkov by rail to reinforce the grouping. Also, Toyota and Mitsubishi pickup trucks equipped with ATGMs were unloaded at the railway station.
▪️ Three HIMARS MLRSs, operated by Americans, have been deployed in #Kharkov and residents say the sick and wounded are being urgently discharged from hospitals in preparation for renewed fighting.
▪️ North of #Kharkov, a Battalion of the 17th Separate Tank Brigade, withdrawn from #Bakhmut due to heavy losses, is being rehabilitated in the Zircons. There also operates 67th Mechanized Brigade unit, relocated from #Kupyansk.
🔹So what are the AFU planning?
Information spreads among border region residents that the AFU are preparing to attack the #Belgorod region in early May to coincide with the Victory Day offensive.
However, despite the theoretical possibility of such a scenario, it is unlikely. Last December we wrote that an attack on the #Belgorod region would not bring the desired result for the West.
Strikes on populated areas of the old Russian regions are needed by the AFU to create panic among the civilians and to promote the thesis that #Russia is unable to ensure the safety of the citizens.
❗️In the Context of AFU Activity in the #Kharkov region, attention should be drawn to the concentration of forces in the #Kupyansk and #Svatovo sections. Along the #Oskol River, movements of equipment convoys have been observed – mainly the 14th and 92nd Mechanized Brigades.
These two formations have practically not taken part in battles in the #Starobelsk direction since autumn and have been undergoing supplementary manning and training. Now the reserves have been replenished, and units of the two brigades have reappeared at the frontline.
West of #Kupyansk, the forces of the AFU’s 23rd Separate Tank Battalion, not previously engaged in combat, have been noted.
🔹What is the Concept?
The Ukrainian command intends to launch an attack on #Svatovo from #Kupyansk and move south and east along the LPR towards the DPR with simultaneous frontal attacks on the #Soledar, #Donetsk, #Zaporozhye and #Kherson directions.
In order to accomplish this task and support the offensive potential, resources are being concentrated in the #Kharkov region. And #NATO satellites are imaging cities in #Belgorod region and the LPR.
Meanwhile, sorties in #Belgorod, #Kursk and #Bryansk regions are possible, but rather to stall attention and cut supply routes for Russian troops in the LPR.
📌 Even by the Standards of the Ukrainian authorities, the plan looks grandiose, and success in such a campaign depends not only on the AFU, but on how ready the RF Armed Forces soldiers are for unexpected maneuvers. In the summer, underestimation of the enemy resulted in the loss of #Izyum, #Kupyansk and #Liman.
Expecting any options, even unrealistic ones, and the complete destruction of the enemy on the battlefield will stop the shelling of Russian cities.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 4:28 utc | 158
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 17 Apr 2023⚡️
🔹#Russia’s Border Areas:
▪️ In the #Bryansk region, there was an attempt to illegally cross the state border near the village of #Zapesochye by #Ukraine – the violator was blown up on a mined defensive line.
▪️ In the #Belgorod region during the night, Ukrainian drones attacked 330kV substations in the villages of Blizhnyaya Igumenka and #Dragunskoye in the Belgorod district, causing a fire at the facilities.
➖ The AFU terrorists struck residential buildings and infrastructure in #Krasnoye village, Lozovaya Rudka farmstead, as well as #Murom and #Spodaryushino villages, civilians were not harmed.
🔹#Starobelsk (#Svatovo) Direction:
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector of the front, the situation has not changed significantly. Mutual reconnaissance and artillery duels continue along the line of contact.
➖ Russian Aerospace Forces struck enemy positions between #Rakov and #Masyutovka with FAB-500 precision bombs with planning and correction modules.
▪️ In the #Liman sector, positional fighting continues in the #Serebryanskoye forestry and near the Balka Zhuravka.
🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction (MAP):
▪️ In the #Lisichansk sector, units of the RF Armed Forces broke through the AFU defence south of #Belogorovka. Currently, fighting is taking place on the southeastern outskirts of the settlement.
▪️ In the northern outskirts of #Bakhmut, fighters of the Wagner PMCs are storming the enemy strongholds on Pobedy Street.
➖ In the central part of the city, the “Wagnerians” have dislodged the AFU from the area of the Artyomovsk elevator and are also fighting for control over the railway station.
➖ At the same time, Russian units are advancing towards garages in the Poselok area.
🔹#Donetsk Direction:
▪️ In #Avdeyevka sector, soldiers of the RF Armed Forces, supported by artillery and tanks, continue their operation to encircle the AFU grouping in the city.
▪️ In #Maryinka, both sides are engaged in fierce fighting in the area of Druzhba Avenue. Russian artillery is targeting enemy positions on the western outskirts of the town.
▪️ In the #Ugledar section, Ukrainian units attempted a counterattack: Russian forces detected the enemy’s advance and dispersed it with heavy artillery and aviation fire.
▪️ Ukrainian terrorist formations continue shelling settlements in the #Donetsk agglomeration with barrel and rocket artillery. Residential buildings in the Petrovsky and Kuybyshevsky districts of #Donetsk have also been hit.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ The situation in this section of the front remains steadily tense, with both sides conducting reconnaissance activities and exchanging artillery strikes.
🔹#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront:
▪️ Artillery duels continue along the entire line of contact, with Russian forces hitting enemy concentrations in #Kherson, #Kazatskoye and #Lvovo.
➖ Ukrainian formations, for their part, shelled settlements on the left bank of the Dnieper River.
🔸Political and other Events:
▪️ #Slovakia has followed #Poland and #Hungary in temporarily banning imports of Ukrainian agricultural products.
▪️ The #Ternopol authorities have deprived the UOC MP of the right to dispose of land plots in the city.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 4:29 utc | 159
▶️The long-awaited online premiere of ‘Vostok’ Battalion Brotherhood is here. The film shows several days from the lives of fighters at the front lines. The enemy is only 300 metres away.
These guys are used to constantly being surrounded by danger, but they find happiness in little moments that remind them of peaceful times: a cup of coffee or a piece of candy. They’re fighting against the Ukrainian armed forces while dreaming about returning home to their families.
Watch RT’s new film ‘Vostok’ Battalion Brotherhood to get a peek into the daily lives of fighters at the firing lines.
Video compressed by Sir Cheburashka, Slavyangrad
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42341
Video is 52:59 long
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 4:33 utc | 160
The five countries of the “nuclear club” of the G7 have agreed to end Russia’s dominance in the global nuclear energy markets. This is stated in a message posted on the website of the British government.
Britain, the US, Canada, Japan, and France have formed a nuclear alliance that aims to strike at Rosatom and push Russia out of global uranium supply chains. “The five countries will use the resources and capabilities of their civil nuclear sectors to undermine Russian control over supply chains,” the UK government said.
Despite a record number of Western sanctions against Russia, the state corporation Rosatom remains the world’s largest exporter of reactors and fuel, Bloomberg emphasises.
The United States and its European allies have been weighing the possibility of imposing tough sanctions on the Russian nuclear sector for more than a year. However, blocking the supply of nuclear fuel from Russia can be extremely painful from an economic point of view
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42356
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 4:36 utc | 161
Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 4:11 utc | 150
Thanks. Take a look a bit higher where it says regular, reserve, auxiliary. You can see the same speckling there.
I went back and had a look at the pair I saved, I think from your collection, possibly from somewhere else but both have that same speckling. I don’t think it has been changed.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 4:36 utc | 162
President Putin visited the headquarters of the group of troops “Dnepr” in the Kherson region:
“In the headquarters of the group of troops “Dnepr” in the Kherson region, Vladimir Putin listened to reports of Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky, commander of the airborne forces, Colonel General Oleg Makarevich, commander of the group of troops “Dnepr,” and other military commanders.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42364
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 4:38 utc | 163
🇵🇱Mobilization check in Poland will affect 230 000 people
Polish Defense Ministry: the mobilization check that has begun will affect 230 thousand people
The mobilization check has begun in Poland, it will affect 230 thousand people, according to the Ministry of National Defense of the Republic.
There is no compulsory military service in Poland, but the military from time to time clarifies mobilization capabilities.
“Military qualification (mobilization check – ed.) has begun, which will cover about 230 thousand people,” the message says.
It is specified that the check will affect men born in 2004, as well as men born in 1999-2003, who have not yet been assigned a category of fitness for military service.
In addition to them, persons who were temporarily unfit for service by medical commissions last year and two years ago will be re-examined.
The military “qualification” in Poland replaced the draft in 2009. Then compulsory military service was suspended in connection with the transition to a professional army. Now the purpose of such subpoenas is to collect information about the state of physical and mental health of citizens for their fitness for military service.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/55564
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 4:39 utc | 164
@ Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2023 22:28 utc | 69
@ Adam Troy | Apr 17 2023 22:29 utc | 70
@ Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 3:21 utc | 146
The first docu & the next five, on Ukraine, prepped for CJCS/JCS & Staff are still available on Telegram (Ukraine Open Thread 2023-83 – April 06, 2023) now 11 days later, they have not been scrubbed & there is no apparent genuine effort to do so other than opportunistically re DD as part of subsequent leak hijack narrative, which DD wisely did promptly delete.
The Docu (~47) are authentic, the damage is real re credibility re the Ukraine conflict & propaganda narrative & Policy & inter-agency/military/allies/States. BellingCrap & subsequent are narrative hijack damage control IMV.
DOD/DIA or DNI/ONI or CJCS/JCS or NSC … one or more individuals from, do not want to trigger thousands of mushroom clouds or see the US war machine comprehensively defeated & the foreseeable follow-on consequences(Loss of retirement payola, MIC gravy train extinction, opposed to Constitutional overreach, Biden & cabal venality & policies, whatever).
Everything else is “Look over there. A Squirrel!’ to obfuscate, deceive, misdirect & downplay.
@ Eric New Shill | Apr 18 2023 3:18 utc | 145
Deliberately misrepresenting re the kids access & concurrently slandered LJ, ye ex of ‘Navel’ Intelligence, pft. The content, structure & nature of your brief history of posts clearly identifies your way over-the-top, low grade purpose here.
Your second paragraph reads like a projection, of self. lol
Melaleuca I didn’t relise it was a video. Some clown having a bit of fun.
Ichecked the twin pics I saved put a match head on the numbers on each to compare – a match head is just a bit smaller than the numbers compared hiegt of the black box, the one for the Russia winning document same size as Ukraine numbering.
I made a mistake the other day thinking in the fussy looking document could be either Ukraine Russia depending on who matched them up. The Russia winning document has been deliberatly photographed slightly out of focus.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 5:04 utc | 166
@_unimperator_ | Apr 17 2023 20:58 utc | 45
Agree regarding the Leopard crew. Not a happy scenario.
Thanks for the note on the Kinzhals entering the air conditioning shaft! If I get the time I will check out Martyanov’s statements on it.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2023 5:06 utc | 167
@Outraged
@RHS
@PeterAu
@Karlof1
& @MoA barflies who are still intrigued by the “Leaks™️”.
DONBASS DEVUSHKA:
Here’s a fascinating piece on “Donbass Devushka”.
Who she is, her previous employment in the US Navy(!)… worth reading the whole article.
I have no idea about the credibility of “Malcontent News”. But parts of the article were lifted by Nexta and posted on twitter, without attribution, which prompted a tweet of ire from Malcontent News:
https://malcontentment.com/a-russian-disinformation-empire-in-oak-harbor-washington/
It’s a somewhat lengthy article.
I too will post some extracts.
But with attribution:
>[Donbass Devushka]… “The person behind the social media account made incongruous claims. They were born in Russia. They were born in the Ukrainian city of Luhansk during the Soviet era. They were born in Gaza. They immigrated to the United States at a very young age. None of it was true.”
> “Things started to unravel for Donbass Devushka when reputable members of the pro-Ukrainian online movement “NAFO” collaborated with reporters from Malcontent News.
Our investigation into Donbass Devushka included analyzing open-source material, conducting interviews with multiple sources, and obtaining public records.
We confirmed the true identity of the mysterious woman born in three places: former United States Navy Legal Clerk Sarah Bils.
She was recently released from active duty.
Bils was born not in Russia, Ukraine, Gaza;….she was born in the US….
Bils now lives in Oak Harbor, Washington, in the shadow of Naval Air Station Whidbey Island where she once served.
According to public court records, she legally changed her name to the more Russian-sounding “Lyudmila Mikhailova Karakova” on March 31.
Bils could not be reached for comment at the time of publication.
>…Bils enlisted with the United States Navy in November 2009, according to the Department of Defense’s Manpower Data Center (DoDMDC).
In November 2022, her active duty status with the Navy ended, but the DoDMDC did not list a discharge date.
An archive of her LinkedIn page listed her Navy Occupational Specialty (NOS) as Legal Clerk, but did not provide her specialist code or additional details.
Update – A reader shared documentation that shows in Fiscal Year 2021, Bils was promoted to the rank of Chief Petty Officer with a NOS of ATC – Chief Aviation Electronics Technician. We have been advised this role would still require a security clearance.
>…, ……”Bils created multiple personas on Twitter and, starting in April, added Telegram.
By the summer of 2022, despite only having an audience in the tens of thousands, she started hosting a podcast that included Jackson Hinkle, Scott Ritter, Garland Nixon, and Russian state media journalist Fiorella Isabel as guests.
Some of the interviews occurred while she was still on active duty with the Navy and would have required a foreign contact disclosure.”
>……social media users alleging she has misappropriated solicited donations to help support Russian causes for her own use, she insisted on April 15 she never made any financial requests and disclosed what little money was collected was for herself and her work.
Yet numerous posts across her social media profiles show requests to transfer money to her through cryptocurrency, CashApp, and Buy Me a Coffee so that she can donate the funds to support Russia.
We cannot confirm any allegations of financial misconduct on the part of Bils nor if any money was transferred to Russia.
>……… “US government alleges that hundreds of secret and top secret documents were shared by Airman First Class Jack Teixeria of the Massachusetts National Guard on his Discord server, Thug Shaker Central. Teixeria, who federal officials arrested on April 13, appears to have shared the documents to chase Internet clout, despite knowing up to a dozen members of his private server were foreign nationals – including from Ukraine, Brazil, and Russia.
It is unclear which individual or individuals leaked the information from Thug Shaker Central to a broader audience, and at least two people who are among his inner circle are cooperating with federal authorities.
>… An investigation by Bellingcat traced the spread of the documents from Teixeria’s Discord to 4Chan, Telegram, and Twitter.
—— >>>>>… “Dueling versions of key documents were circulating, with one showing Russian losses far exceeded Ukrainian losses, and the other, poorly edited version showing the opposite.
Bellingcat alleges the doctored versions originated on the Donbass Devushka Telegram channel, a claim Bils denies.
>………”Experts we talked to said that if federal agencies investigate Bils, they will likely look at when the* [leaked™️]* documents were acquired, her role in the distribution, and her broader connections in the anti-American and pro-Russian information space.
There is no evidence of any direct links to Teixeria.
The above ^ are extracts. Read the whole article for more details and fuller context from where the extracts were “extracted”…
https://malcontentment.com/a-russian-disinformation-empire-in-oak-harbor-washington/
_____
barflies/ with insight as to who § what “Malcontent News”…???
Malcontent News tweet:
>…”We deeply appreciate the story being amplified, but if you’re going to use large pieces of our content word for word – attribution would be appreciated”
https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/status/1647821837165002758
The Nexta tweet:
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1647729855587385347
>>… (Skimming comments … there’s some interesting stuff among the chaff. )
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 5:29 utc | 168
Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 5:04 utc | 161
I didn’t relise it was a video. Some clown having a bit of fun.
No. No. No. No.
(I’m starting to share RHS exasperation with all this.)
No. The two docs. The *original* and the photoshop were both *docs*.
And BECAUSE there was so much chatter and bullshit about which one was *original* and which one *”Russian disinformation”(ie the photoshop) someone compiled them into a file to show them side by side flick, flick flick to *clearly* show what the original looked like right up alongside the photoshop.
The Russia winning document has been deliberatly photographed slightly out of focus.
Yes.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 5:04 utc | 161
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 5:36 utc | 169
@Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 2:04 utc | 114
Now that we know for sure that DD channel was deliberately targeted it is obvious US wanted to get those documents circulating in Russian channels. Why?
I believe there will be information in to try and mislead Ru MoD prior to the upcoming Uki offensive.
My guess is that the main goal was to discredit a successful source of information: the Donbass Devushka Telegram channel (note: Donbass Devushka is now https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/ )
I don’t think the Ru MoD is mislead by this stuff, and we have not seen much useful info in the ‘leaks’ that we didn’t already know, have we?
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2023 5:41 utc | 170
RE: Czechs give Moroccan T-72 tanks given to Ukraine without permission.
https://www.military.africa/2023/01/moroccos-t-72-tanks-were-sent-to-ukraine-without-permission/
I don’t have any special insight into this. I tried finding something in Arabic or French on Moroccan news sites but failed.
This, however, argues in favor of Moroccan agreement.
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/04/us-approves-potential-750m-sale-of-himars-jsow-other-arms-to-morocco/
If Morocco is buying HIMARS then it is playing ball with the US.
@ Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 5:29 utc | 163
Why are you posting all this dross ? What purpose does it serve ? It is black propaganda narrative vomit.
Could not give a damn about anything, anything at all that Bellingcrap says or ‘publishes’, other than confiormation that it’s manipulative BS.
Malcontent News, is not a news service. It’s an obvious agency run(joint MI6/CIA ?) front propaganda outlet run by obvious agency run(joint MI6/CIA ?) front:
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With articles such as: PMC Wagner High Recruiting Standards Include Chronic Masturbators
Nexta, same same, filled with NAFO shit.
Good grief Charlie Brown.
Age of new Psy Ops | Who is behind the US intelligence leaks? | Scott Ritter Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC4PnNPTYfw
From the description:
27,675 views Streamed live 12 hours ago
On episode 30 of the show we are joined by Larry C. Johnson, an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management. Johnson worked as an analyst in the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and in the State Department’s Office of Counterterrorism. He is the CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, an international business-consulting firm that helps corporations and governments manage threats posed by terrorism and money laundering.
And from Larry’s latest post on Sonar21 after the above interview…yes, some AF bases do have SCIF rooms with CIA agents and therefore access to CIA documents…
More Discussion About the Leaked Intelligence Documents
https://sonar21.com/more-discussion-about-the-leaked-intelligence-documents/#comment-127657
Everyone has apparently decided that this whole op was designed by Bellingcat to discredit some random pro-Russian blogger.
Bullshit. I’m done with this whole thing. I’m not posting any more on it.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 6:13 utc | 173
Outraged | Apr 18 2023 4:58 utc | 160
Thanks for your input.
RSH upthread had the good sense to depart in a fit of pique and exasperation.
The MoA cumbersome format doesn’t help, along with people not reading threads + poor/lazy comprehension [I’m guilty as charged] + plus those here for deliberate obfuscation….
…The first docu & the next five, on Ukraine, prepped for CJCS/JCS & Staff are still available…|~ … not been scrubbed…
Interesting. Huh.
The Docu (~47) are authentic…
Also. These are a seperate, distinct and likely unrelated leak.
This tranche of 47 docs came 24/48/56?. hours later.
There were only 4pages originally leaked to 4chan.
Bellingcrap stepped in and pointed to the Thug Shaker discord.
The larger tranche were not easy to find. Even here b put up a request to source. I spent (wasted) most of a day scouring the interwebs looking.
Most places were also calling: “Anyone got those *100*pages?” (As the gossip-mill at that time had claimed there were 100-pages in the wild).
I found sites and links that all went 404.. until I hit the Chinese site.
The difficulty in finding the 47-pages (as opposed to the 4-chan/4-pages), is a “tell”.
“They” don’t care about the 4pages [as our trolls have repeatedly chided us: they say nothing new for those who’ve been paying attention outside the corporate controlled narrative].
The 47-pages are different. As you say:
the damage is real re credibility re the Ukraine conflict & propaganda narrative & Policy & inter-agency/military/allies/States. BellingCrap & subsequent are narrative hijack damage control IMV.
Yes.
IMVVHO, the leaker of the 47-pages is not Jack “Boy” Pat Seh.
The leaker of the 47-pages used the cover of the hoopla about the 4-chan-4-pages to do a dump. (Dump =both meanings).
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:15 utc | 174
Hello Barflies and Trolls,
My 2 cents or less is, Prigozhin’s comment on ending the SMO, so War can be declared now that the armed aggression is on Russia proper and not separatist provinces.
Easter has been very, very busy with President Putin meeting Chinese Defense Minister Gen Li on Sunday no less.
And today, President Putin is on one of the front-line HQ with Group Commander Col. Gen Makarevich, Commander of Airborne Force Col. Gen Teplinsky (apparently dismissed in Jan 2023 according to UK MoD) and surprise, surprise, Col. Gen Lapin, currently Chief of Staff RGF (apparently sacked for being talentless and “losing” Lyman)
Don’t forget, both Prigozhin and Kadyrov blamed Lyman on Col. Gen Lapin. Proof that free speech is well and truly alive in Russia and what both this 2 men or others “elites” have to say are their own personal opinion and do not equate to official Russia policy or Russian General Staff strategies.
Your serve, Trolls.
Posted by: Suresh | Apr 18 2023 6:15 utc | 175
Outraged | Apr 18 2023 6:06 utc | 167
Why are you posting all this dross ?
I know the sources are shit.
But. Are the claims against Donbass Devushka valid?
Who is she?
Just because I spent a year being derided as a Putin-loving-Russian propagandist, doesn’t mean I am one.
I want as close to the “truth” as can be ascertained.
If Donbass Devushka is not who she claims to be.
Fuck her.
Yes. The telegram channel has been useful.
But why did she create a fiction ? If the claims against her are valid???
I want sunlight and transparency. I’m not going to shy away from discovery that Donbass Devushka is bullshit. If it’s bullshit.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:24 utc | 176
RE: What Prigozhin knows.
It is not what he knows. It’s what he says. Prigozhin is well known for trolling. He made a video where he announced his intentions to run for the Ukrainian presidency. His campaign platform? If elected he would end the war.
And if you read between the lines, what he is saying is that the Russian people have a good understanding of why the war started, and why it is necessary, but not where it will end. Specifically, what exactly needs to be done to declare victory?
Does Russia need to take Odessa or Kiev? Not the overarching strategic goals, but the specific and tangible objectives that need to be ticked off the list. Putin hasn’t said exactly what needs to be captured and Prigozhin is playing to that crowd that want certainty and clarity.
Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:24 utc | 171 “Who is she?”
Its in the twitter channel which is again open to the public. She is a Russian woman that moved to the US some time ago. She is the owner of the twitter account but it is a team behind it and as far as I know, some of them are Russians living in Russia.
A former colleague has has put her name up plus her daughters name and photo. The info was given the so called NAFO. Empire’s twitter troll factory. She is disappearing for a while and the others will continue operating the channel.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 6:32 utc | 178
Norwegian | Apr 18 2023 5:41 utc | 165
You could be right, though if that was the aim it wont succeed. I see the specifically targeted the woman hat owns the twitter account to the extent of making her name public, put up a picture of her daughter and setting NAFO onto her.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 6:38 utc | 179
OK after reading many (informed or not) commentaries about the Jack “smuggled out the docs” narrative, I have to say the whole story doesn’t seem to fly. Many questions remain unanswered as to the origines of this potpourris of secret docs. A mixed bag of unrelated intel material looks like a dump, not a leak.
Just my 2 cents…
Posted by: Adam Troy | Apr 18 2023 6:43 utc | 180
”Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, and Konstantinovka were hit by dozens of glide bombs today. At least 10 Slavyansk alone. These are 500s and 1500s.”
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 18 2023 6:43 utc | 181
Richard Steven Hack | Apr 18 2023 6:13 utc | 168
Everyone has apparently decided that this whole op was designed by Bellingcat to discredit some random pro-Russian blogger.
Bullshit.
1/Everyone………
MoA is a very large virtual bar. Never, ever does *everyone* agree on anything, ever.
2/ …decided that this whole op was designed by Bellingcat to discredit some random pro-Russian blogger.
Speaking for my own posts. Bullshit.
I have asked:
How did Bellingcrap know the “leaked docs™️” were hosted on the Thug Shaker discord? That said docs had been there since Feb?
>…IMO Bellingcrap (as British “intelligence”) hosts hundreds of discord servers to entrap juveniles… gamers, loners, weirdos, whatever… get them to shitpost on discord. A catalog of Useful Idiots is established.
^ That’s how Bellingcrap knew about the docs allegedly uploaded to Thug Shaker in February.
Now we arrive at the April 4 4chan post. Who made this post?
How and when did this “anon” gain access to the 4pages?
Why is this component of the “leak” being ignored?
Donbass Devushka.
This account posted the *photoshopped* images showing “Russia winning”.
The *original* 4chan docs had “Ukraine winning”.
IMO Bellingcrap sent DD the photoshopped docs. Once DD posted… the obfuscation was unleashed.
The photoshopped 4pages were now “FIRST POSTED ON A RUSSIAN TELEGRAM “, and thus *everything* about the docs could be discredited.
It’s a large polevault from …. Bellingcrap washing the photoshopped leaks through Donbass Devushka to ….
“*Everybody* thinks the *whole thing* was an op designed specifically to take out DD.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:47 utc | 182
Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 6:32 utc | 173
Donbass Devushka………
She is a Russian woman that moved to the US some time ago.
Is she?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:52 utc | 183
@ Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:24 utc | 171
Not accusing of any such thing, compadre.
The doxxed female former CPO is part of an international team of ~15 that run DD. Simply do not see the point of repeating such material given why & by whom for whom it was manufactured & put-out. Especially threats to life, daughter & tweason. Relevance ?
Anyway, need to crash, so I’m out. Cheers.
Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:47 utc | 177
There are two different 4chan chat threads. One on the fourth and I assume that had the Ukraine doc and another completely separate chat thread on the 5th.
I assume both chat threads were spooks, both pro Ukraine and pro Russian side. No doubt just the one person.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 6:56 utc | 185
Gentlemen,
Gotta bail. Dog won’t walk himself. (He’d actually prefer to, but)…
Daylight fading fast…
/out…>>>
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 7:03 utc | 186
Melaleuca | Apr 18 2023 6:52 utc | 178
They do podcasts and roundtables with the likes of Brian Berletic and others. The whole crew are genuine.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 7:04 utc | 187
Donbass Devushka track record vs bellingcrap track record….
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 7:09 utc | 188
“There are reports that a massive air strike has been launched against the Ukrainian armed forces in Kupyansk direction
Presumably, FAB-500 bombs with planning and correction modules (PPC) developed by the State Research and Production Enterprise “Bazalt” were actively used against the positions of the 14th Mechanized Brigade between Rakiv and Masiutivka.
An air alert was not declared in these areas, which indirectly confirms the dropping of the bombs beyond the range of the Ukrainian army’s air defence systems.
According to preliminary reports, the headquarters of the 2nd mechanized battalion, positions of the 3rd mechanized battalion, as well as hangars with equipment of the 10th battalion of the 3rd tank brigade were hit.”
Tg / Masno
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 18 2023 7:19 utc | 189
Melaleuca
Scroll down through this bellingcrap article until you get to the screen shot of of DD telegram then keep scrolling until you get to the 4chan screen shot. There is a block of three the down a bit more the is a screen shot of a single comment. Have a think about why the image thumbnail and the par at the top that gives the size of the image ect has been cropped. Read the comments as to the fictional argument and in particular read the last one that has been cropped.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/04/09/from-discord-to-4chan-the-improbable-journey-of-a-us-defence-leak/
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 7:22 utc | 190
unimperator | Apr 18 2023 7:19 utc | 183
Sounds like the shit is hitting the fan for the Ukrainians. Perhaps Russia believes the mobilized forces now have sufficient training and its time to make a move.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 7:26 utc | 191
Melaleuca I meant to add note the dates on DD telegram and on 4chan.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 7:28 utc | 192
Syrsky is sure that the Russian army began to use one and a half ton bombs in Bakhmut to intimidate the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after such strikes only a pile of stones remains from high-rise buildings, which means that using them as a fortress is irrational.
British intelligence warned the General Staff about this method, and some decisions are already being made to withdraw soldiers. The situation is complicated by the fact that there are no civilians left in the western regions of Bakhmut and now it is being razed to the ground.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17329
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 7:49 utc | 193
🇬🇧⚡️ There is information that a massive air strike was inflicted on the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of Kupyansk.
Presumably, the positions of the 14th mechanised brigade between Rakov and Masyutovka are actively used by FAB-500 bombs with planning and correction modules (MPK) developed by GNPP Bazalt.
No air raid alert was announced in these areas, which indirectly confirms the dropping of aerial bombs outside the range of the Ukrainian army’s air defence systems.
According to preliminary data, the headquarters of the 2nd mechanised battalion, the positions of the 3rd mechanised battalion, as well as the hangars with the equipment of the 10th battalion of the 3rd tank brigade were hit.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 7:56 utc | 194
🇪🇺🇺🇦🇭🇺 Quarrelling in the European Union over Ukrainian grain
No sooner had the authorities of Poland and Hungary introduced a ban on the import of grain from Ukraine, that Brussels had already criticized this decision with the wording “unilateral actions are unacceptable.”
▪️ Last year, as a result of an excess of Ukrainian products on the European market, the incomes of farmers in Poland, Hungary and other countries of Eastern Europe fell sharply.
▪️ Over the weekend, the Hungarian Minister of Agriculture said that “in the absence of significant measures from the EU”, his country, following Poland , will limit the import of Ukrainian grain until the end of June.
▪️ The reaction from Brussels was not long in coming – already on Sunday, a representative of the European Commission said that trade policy is within the “exclusive competence of the EU”, and “unilateral actions are unacceptable.”
🔻 This is not the first time that the government of Viktor Orban goes against the political course set in Brussels.
Thus, Hungary became one of the few countries in Europe that refused to join the anti-Russian sanctions in the energy sector. In Budapest, they actively opposed the introduction of restrictions on the supply of Russian oil, and the embargo affected only sea supplies.
▪️ Despite pressure from Brussels, last week the Hungarians also extended the agreement signed in the fall with Gazprom on additional gas supplies. Viktor Orban has repeatedly made it clear that he will block the spread of sanctions to nuclear energy as well.
❗️However, for such “wilfulness” the members of the bloc are already facing “punishment” from Brussels. When Viktor Orban blocked the approval of the sixth package of sanctions, which was clearly contrary to the national interests of his country, the Deputy President of the European Parliament , Katarina Barli , proposed depriving Hungary of the right to vote in the EU.
🔻 Even more indicative in this regard is the situation with legislation in the field of restricting LGBT propaganda among children. For introducing a ban on the demonstration of same-sex love in schools, the Hungarian government was deprived of funding for 7 billion euros.
As colleagues from the @prosto_magyar channel note, European officials, pursuing the interests of certain groups, are leading the economies of the states included in the bloc to inevitable collapse.
Are they doing this on purpose or is the system truly in agony, that is the real question.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 7:57 utc | 195
Our source reports that the massive illegal mobilization in Ukraine played a cruel joke on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
It seems that the number of soldiers remains the same, although there are huge losses, but the quality of the fighters is many times lower, and how is their motivation.
Many fear that by throwing this “crowd” on the offensive, it will encounter Russian resistance and begin to “crumble”.
Everyone is already predicting that the Office of the President can arrange a huge massacre, where the losses will be colossal. Therefore, Zelensky and the Office of the President began to simulate the “blame of the West” in advance, which gave little weapons.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 7:58 utc | 196
From Ukrainian channel, Strana:
Regarding Putin’s trip to the Kherson and Luhansk regions.
1. The trip to the south is most indicative – where, as expected, there may be the main blow of the Ukrainian troops during the announced offensive. It is possible that with his visit, Putin wanted not only to strengthen the morale of the troops stationed there, but also to stop the periodically arising rumors about the preparation of a “treaty agreement”, according to which the Russian Federation leaves the occupied part of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions (as it left the right bank of the Dnieper in November last year ) in exchange for maintaining control over Crimea.
Although, as Strana already wrote , the reliability of these rumors looked extremely doubtful before, given the importance that the preservation of the land corridor to Crimea has for the Russian Federation. And given the problematic nature of the defense of the peninsula, in the event that Ukrainian troops reach its borders and the Sea of Azov.
2. The emphasis on the personalities of Russian generals made during Putin’s trip is also noteworthy. A native of the Donetsk region, airborne commander General Teplinskiy (who is considered one of the most capable Russian military leaders) reportedly reported to Putin on the situation on the southern front. This indicates that Teplinskiy, in one capacity or another, is responsible for this site. Earlier, we recall, there were rumors that Teplinskiy was actually removed from the command of the Airborne Forces due to disagreements with Gerasimov and returned to service quite recently.
The same story (removal with subsequent return) was with General Lapin, who is now designated as the commander of the Vostok group in the Luhansk region. Only a group competing with Gerasimov – Kadyrov and Prigozhin “played” against Lapin.
Finally, the commander of the Dnepr group in the Kherson region, Oleg Makarevich, also mentioned in the Kremlin’s report, according to Russian military correspondents, was considered at the beginning of the year as Teplinsky’s replacement as commander of the Airborne Forces. Thus, Putin, focusing on the personalities of the generals with whom he met, may be trying to show that the contradictions that took place within the Russian command have already been eliminated or, at least, do not play a serious role.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42383
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 8:01 utc | 197
Down South | Apr 18 2023 8:01 utc | 191
1. The trip to the south is most indicative – where, as expected, there may be the main blow of the Ukrainian troops during the announced offensive. It is possible that with his visit, Putin wanted not only to strengthen the morale of the troops stationed there,
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Most pooh pooh the coming US/Ukie offensive, but there are so many indicators that the Russian side knows that the US is amassing weapons and men for the coming offensive.
Defensive positions right back into Crimea is a big tell.
Much happening now. Nato headquarters bunker busted, the leak, peace in the middle east. And just befor that banks starting to go down. Its all happening.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 18 2023 8:15 utc | 198
At Bankovaya, they are trying to stop the informational negativity from the intelligence leak in the United States, which created a negative image for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The “Pentagon leaks”, although heavily diluted with disinformation, revealed many unpleasant things. There are not enough reserves – because of this, active mobilization continues.
Ukraine has again lost its superiority in manpower, the elite units have been destroyed, and the mobilized ones are replacing them. Problems with shells and equipment, only the visible part of the controlled drain, which was carried out by our partners.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17330
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 8:30 utc | 199
Ukrainian channel Strana:
Ukraine may face another Maidan, Politico newspaper writes. The publication cites President Volodymyr Zelensky as one of the reasons, “because he has become part of the problem – a leader with authoritarian tendencies.”
This opinion was formed by the author of the article, Jaime Dettmer, who visited Kyiv and talked with a number of Ukrainian politicians.
In particular, with People’s Deputy Inna Sovsun from Golos, who “suspects that another political coup is on the way,” since “the 10-year milestone is approaching when we tend to organize revolutions” (the previous Maidan began in November 2013).
A similar opinion was voiced by an unnamed Ukrainian ex-minister: “You know, the Maidan may happen again.” “The war has raised great hopes and people will look forward to change. They will want money, justice and the completion of the reforms they demanded back in 2014, and they will want them quickly,” the source said.
The newspaper notes that the current war “forms a strong sense of nationhood and gives rise to great hopes for a better future – expectations that will be difficult to justify.”
It will be especially difficult for Zelensky to do this, Politico believes. The newspaper believes that after the war his 84% approval rating will drop “as soon as the existential threat disappears.” Just as it happened before the war, when “his support at some point fell to only 11 percent”, but immediately jumped after the start of the war.
Then “the Ukrainian president was accused of becoming increasingly autocratic and breaking the law by issuing presidential decrees on sanctions against enemies, all in the name of fighting Russian aggression, but, according to some critics, also with an eye to undermining his political opponents.”
The publication also recalls the offshore scandals around Zelensky. And also about what happened on the eve of the war: “After the guns fall silent, questions will arise regarding the events leading up to the war – why Zelensky ignored clear warnings from Western intelligence about the high probability of a Russian invasion and could not transfer Ukraine to a military footing much earlier.”
The newspaper writes that “from time to time these questions are raised even in the midst of the war.”
The publication also writes about the negative effect of “global flattery” against Zelensky. “He thinks he is the number one politician in the world and that Joe Biden is much, much lower than him, and even lower are leaders like Macron and Scholz,” the former minister told the paper.
At the same time, the corruption scandal in the Ministry of Defense showed that in many respects the old system remains. “We haven’t seen significant enough efforts to fight corruption,” a former US diplomat told the newspaper.
He said that in recent meetings with Ukrainian opposition and civil society leaders, he was struck by how, “on the one hand, they really appreciate Zelensky’s strength as a military leader,” but “deeply concerned also about corruption and his authoritarian style.”
“In their opinion, as soon as the war ends, there will be retribution,” the diplomat added.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42391
If the Russians don’t get Zelensky first his own side will take him out. Either which way the war ends he is screwed.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 18 2023 8:35 utc | 200