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April 14, 2023
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🧩🇺🇸🧩 Drain of American documents☝🏻
We analyzed in detail the “leaked” documents, in terms of their possible sources, value, as well as features of interpretation and distribution.
The main conclusion: there is no point in analyzing the documents as some kind of insider, this is all a controlled leak of the American intelligence services 🧩
The main goal of the leak is to hit Trump, but like any other complex intelligence operation, there are secondary goals, for example, to convey the necessary messages to Zelensky, semi-publicly, because. some things they cannot publicly voice, but non-publicly – he ignores.
✅ Jack Teixeira was used in the dark – a favorite trick of scouts.
✅ He was not chosen by chance: white, heterosexual, Catholic, against the escalation of the war in Ukraine, for the right to carry firearms in the USA, i.e. he is the perfect Tempist. If a Trumpist has dealt a blow to US national security, then the Trumpists are enemies, the logic in the social. networks will be something like this.
✅ There is no sensitive leak in the documents at all that would damage the US. The most important news is the very fact of the leak, from the “ideal Trumpist”. Even what at first glance seems toxic is actually beneficial to the White House.
For example, listening to the President of South Korea. At first glance, it is toxic, but in reality everyone knows that the United States is listening to all allies, Korea is not alone, Korea is not in a situation to oppose this. Therefore, this is another signal to the leaders of countries entering the orbit of the United States: do not think of playing on the sly against us, we are listening to you, if you want to live in freedom, and not like the former president of South Korea – in prison, follow in the fairway.
✅ The information in the documents is very different, which cannot be collected in one department or from one contractor. This also speaks in favor of the artificial nature of the leak.
🇺🇦 There is nothing critical in the part that concerns the Ukrainian offensive: the “secret documents” absolutely correlate with the current narratives of the Western press: it will be difficult to attack, the achievement of goals is not guaranteed, it is better to “freeze”, a new plan is needed, etc. Those. these are all hints for Bankova.
🇺🇦 The second main hint is the possibility of eliminating Zelensky. Specialist. US services make it clear that this option is in the arsenal. Politely, neatly, but who needs it, they understood the hint.
🇺🇦 The third hint is as beautiful as the second: China will start supplying weapons if Bankovaya starts shelling the historical territory of the Russian Federation or commits a terrorist attack against someone from the Russian leadership. In fact, red lines have been drawn again, because the United States, after Engels, the Crimean bridge, Dugina and Tatarsky, really doubts that Zelensky will not cross these invisible borders.
Therefore, we read all these documents “between the lines”☝🏻
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17304
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 5:45 utc | 201
🇩🇪 Germany closed the last three operating nuclear power plants in the country this night.
59% of Germans believe that it was not worth abandoning nuclear energy. The decision of the authorities is supported by only 34% of the inhabitants of Germany, according to Infratest survey.
Many respondents are seriously concerned that the transition to renewable energy sources will lead to a further increase in energy prices.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/55382
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 6:11 utc | 202
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 16 2023 2:53 utc | 192
“Who leaked The Leak; what objective? [me: Team Obama. Objective: Back off, buy some time. Come at Russia again in 2-5 years. Post Putin.”
I still think this is a DoD/DIA/CIA/whoever-IC intelligence operation to oppose Biden.
It makes no sense for Obama/Clintons to think Putin will be gone any time soon, or that Russia will be any easier to take on then. In addition, I’d like to see some evidence supporting that notion. Has any of the Obama/Clinton crowd said or done anything to back up that notion? As far as I can tell, all the Dems are on board with this war, and only a handful of Republicans, mostly of Trump persuasion, are critical.
Whereas it makes a lot of sense for someone in the DoD to want to call a halt to this before it goes out of control. And given the leak access required, it would appear only someone in DoD/DIA and/or CIA – or both – would have access to these documents. And I notice there is zero evidence that this patsy being brought forward as any connection to Obama/Clintons, whereas he is being portrayed as a right-winger.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2023 6:40 utc | 203
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 5:45 utc | 201
“the main goal of the leak is to hit Trump”
Trump? Seriously? They’re basing this idiot theory on the simple fact that this Teixera is being portrayed as a right-winger?
How the hell is Trump going to take any hit over this? It’s ridiculous.
Apparently the goal now is for every clown on the planet to come up with his own ridiculous conspiracy theory in order to make sure no one gets to the bottom of the real conspiracy.
This is right out of Robert Anton Wilson’s “Illuminatus” Trilogy…
And everyone will fall for it, just like they did with Covid, the 2020 election “theft” notion, etc., ad nauseum.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2023 6:44 utc | 204
You want rabbit holes, watch Kiefer Sutherland’s new show appropriately entitled “Rabbit Hole”… It’s pretty good, but a lot smarter than some of these idiot theories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_Hole_(TV_series)
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2023 6:45 utc | 205
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 16 2023 2:24 utc | 189
Just read that post.
Your entire Obama/Clinton supposition rests on the DNI being the leaker. Very unlikely. Still less Haines. How long do you think before the Biden investigation turns over who was involved IF it’s from their own team? Haines wouldn’t risk it.
Also, the Obama/Clinton team wouldn’t risk damaging Biden at this junction since Biden is unlikely to survive the Democratic nominating process anyway; to do so would simply make Trump/DeSantis the likely next President. Both Obama and Clinton are smart enough to know that, especially Obama, no matter how much they dislike Biden.
The DoD/DIA OTOH can stonewall Biden until the cows come home, however. They can bamboozle Lloyd Austen and Milley easily. No one will ever know who was the leaker if the leaks come from high enough, absent any forensic evidence.
And that’s still the main question: How was it done? These docs could have only come from one of two places: 1) a document folder from a government safe or 2) a printer attached to a computer with access to the digital versions. As to the former, the question to be asked is how many physical copies exists, where are they, who had access, and are they all accounted for? If any are missing, how did they go missing? For the latter option, the question is: how many computers had access to those documents (presumably a fair number), which ones accessed those documents, under whose user credentials were they accessed, were those credentials spoofed, when and where?
The safest way to remove those docs would be to remove the physical documents from a safe, or better, from a folder in someone’s office, with no surveillance cameras or access signins required to identify who was there. You just walk in and take them and walk out. No one sees you, no camera sees you. Next to impossible to get caught that way.
Doing anything by computer risks leaving forensic evidence that even a well-trained computer specialist might not be aware of. Computer forensics is a deep subject. Only trained forensics people and hackers expert in anti-forensics can evade a forensics trail. Most hackers these days don’t even care if they get spotted, as long as they successfully exfiltrate the data they want – and as long as the evidence trail is too weak for court. And there are plenty of anti-forensics tools available. But that’s mostly for corporate-level systems, your average Windows desktop or Windows server, not high-security government systems.
So I lean toward option one: physical removal of documents from someone’s office, either stealthily or, per my theory more likely, with actual authorization from someone who can cover the leak.
Anyway, this is all speculation. We’ll probably never know the truth unless someone comes forward in twenty years and reveals it.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2023 7:10 utc | 206
LOL
The incompetence goes on
After 9 years Russia cannot even protect Donestk on friggin easter!
Ukranian terrorists fired at the center of Donetsk from the Grad MLRS. The arrivals came near the Holy Transfiguration Cathedral during the Easter service.
https://t.me/intelslava/46913
Atleast 1 dead.
Russian army is retarded, the intelligence services is nowhere to be seen!
Posted by: Zonon | Apr 16 2023 7:15 utc | 207
Posted by: Zonon | Apr 16 2023 7:15 utc | 207
You have a point. If Russia has failed to stop ALL truck movements in Ukraine it cannot halt Grad launchers from being active. It is necessary therefore to destroy ALL forms of wheeled and tracked transport in Ukraine. How do you suggest this should be effected ?
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 16 2023 8:12 utc | 208
Anyway, this is all speculation. We’ll probably never know the truth unless someone comes forward in twenty years and reveals it.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2023 7:10 utc | 206
WHY oh WHY do you go off on streams of speculation ? If you do not KNOW there is absolutely NO value to your trying to appear knowledgeable.
YOU have not worked in CIA, White House, Pentagon, nor in GRU or FSB or SVR nor in SIS or any agency which produces or disseminates Intelligence.
YOU have not worked at WaPo or NYT and you do not know how many CIA officers work there with full security clearances. YOU do not even know when MI5 closed its offices inside BBC Broadcasting House……….
There is NO value to speculation NONE whatsoever.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 16 2023 8:17 utc | 209
Posted by: Zonon | Apr 16 2023 7:15 utc | 207
If you make defending civilians one of your primary objectives all your opponent will do is make attacking them one of their primary objectives. You will find yourself having to use your assets defending them, not defeating the enemy and ending the conflict. The end result will, paradoxically, be more civilian casualties. Armies on the offensive have one primary purpose: to defeat their opponents using fire and manoeuvre, anything else is secondary to that goal, not ignored but secondary.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 16 2023 8:28 utc | 210
red, black, white and green. And on each side, having a connection with a part of the “deep state”, you can get into its center——— is that not the Sudan flag?
On April 14, the head of PMC Wagner Yevgeny Prigozhin published his doctrinal article on the processes taking place in the East of Ukraine and in the world as a whole. Below, SouthFront Team provides a translation of this article into English:
Russia from the revolutionary era onwards – red, black, white and green. And on each side, having a connection with a part of the “deep state”, you can get into its center. The Russian deep state is experiencing a serious crisis today.
Many of those who supported the special operation yesterday are in doubt today, or are categorically against what is happening. Representatives of the deep state want to urgently return to their normal life, old habits and comfort. The “deep State” is cunning and quirky, the conversation of Joseph Prigozhin is a vivid example of this. They are ready to mimic anyone. They are like an obsequious, cunning, bloodthirsty chameleon.
They are silent at meetings, they express their doubts. And when making decisions on bureaucratic procedures, certain actions aimed at winning this war are hindered. Since the bureaucracy in Russia today is exorbitantly powerful, it is possible to destroy any decisions of the top management aimed at victory within the framework of the “legitimate bureaucracy”. These are the internal enemies. In the theory of Alexander Dmitrievich Beglov, this is called a “bureaucratic sieve” – a sieve into which you can get, but it is impossible to get out of there.
Posted by: OhhCanada | Apr 16 2023 8:39 utc | 211
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 16 2023 6:44 utc | 204
I find your desire to discern the real truth, not the ‘official’ narrative, at odds with your last paragraph, which castigates anyone for not believing the official version of those events.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 16 2023 8:42 utc | 212
The situation near Krasnoye (Ivanovskoye). (SW of Bakhmut)
To the west, near the forest area, the VDV were able to force the Ukrainian forces out of the forest area, using TOSs and BMPT “Terminator”. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are located along the main road and are trying to prevent further offensive actions. Aviation works on Ukrainian positions.
In the center, the Airborne Forces managed to gain a foothold on the outskirts of the city, which actually blocks and complicates the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. With the recent advance, supplies from Konstantinovka are having difficulty making their way to Krasnoye Selo.
In the east, the Wagner group is making little progress so far. The Ukrainians base their defenses on a large industrial area in the area.
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In the Khromovo area, Wagner made some progress along the upper residential area. The whole village is now a gray area, as the artillery of the Wagner group covers the entire village. All vehicles entering the village are under fire. The village itself is almost destroyed.
In Bogdanovka, Wagner fighters entrenched not far from the center of the village. There are intense battles inside the village, but the main task of the Wagner group is to physically gain a foothold on the main road. Wagner have made significant progress in the fields and are now shooting at vehicles on the Death Road.
In the Grigorovka area, Wagner PMCs entrenched themselves on the road near the village. They were also able to take the heights above the village, but the Ukrainians also have a number of hills overlooking the village, which makes it difficult to advance in this sector. In the near future, this sector will be reinforced by DPR special forces from Alchevsk.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/28102
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Doubtful that they could take Ivanovske (west of Bakhmut, along Chasov Yar – Bakhmut highway), but as a supportive operation it is working well disrupting supply to Bakhmut, and prevents sending reinforcements and/or significantly increases costs of sending any reinforcemenets, or withdrawing out of Bakhmut.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 16 2023 9:03 utc | 213
The EU is in favour of a multicultural society, and against discrimination of minorites. But when the minority is ethnic Russians, things are different. In Ukraine, regions that identified as Russian were shot at for eight years, and there was no EU protest. The EU countries just sent observers. And when talking about ethnic Russian minorities in EU countries – Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania – the EU does not mind discrimination at all. In Latvia and Estonia you even have the concept of “non-citizens”. Just imagine how the EU would react if unaccompanied minors that arrive on Italy’s shores would be given the legal status of “non-citizens”.
Posted by: Passerby | Apr 16 2023 9:12 utc | 214
A new trend is gaining momentum in the EU, the fight against the Ukrainian agricultural sector, which remained able to work in the conditions of war. It is worth considering an interesting factor, if Russia does not sign the grain deal further, then Ukraine will not be able to export food at all. Here is a gift from our neighbors and allies.
Hungary, following Poland, banned the import of a number of agricultural products from Ukraine
“The government is committed to representing the interests of Hungarian farmers, even in the absence of effective measures from the EU,” said Istvan Nagy, Minister of Agriculture of Hungary
The ban will last until June 30, 2023.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17305
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 9:12 utc | 215
Our source at the OP said that Zelensky was unhappy with Svrsky’s report, in which he cites the weather as the reason that prevented him from implementing his plan with a counteroffensive near Bakhmut.
The commander of the ground forces provided the President with an analysis of weather data for five years, on the basis of which he draws a conclusion about the anomaly of April 2023 in Bakhmut.
In 2018: snow on April 1, rain on April 5, intermittent precipitation on April 19, thunderstorm on April 28,
2019: April 3 short-term precipitation, April 14 rain, April 28 rain.
2020: April 4 intermittent precipitation, April 16/17 rain, April 22 rain, April 27 intermittent precipitation.
2021: April 3 rain, April 7 light snow, April 23/24 rain.
2022: April 2, intermittent precipitation, 14 intermittent precipitation,
This year, March and April are abnormally rainy, and next week again in thunderstorms with heavy precipitation near Bakhmut. Syrsky’s plan again cannot be implemented and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be forced to attack the enemy along the roads, without the ability to organize large-scale breakthroughs.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17306
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 9:14 utc | 216
GG – On the recent comments of Kadyrov
Let me start out by clarifying something that must be made clear. I do not speak for SLG and I do not represent SLG. These comments are my own.
For those who consider Kadyrov’s commentary on the recently exchanged Chechen POWs to be abhorrent, I would like to clarify them.
I myself am a Terek Cossack and a former American infantryman. I was born in Vladikavkaz and my family fled to the US during the fall of the Soviet Union while I was still extremely young. As such, I grew up in the US under a Caucasian family and a Cossack father. I have been brought up to think as a Cossack, a Caucasian, and then taught myself to think as an infantryman.
Disney’s “The TV show “The Mandolarian” has a line that goes something like this, “Weapons are a part of my religion.”
Well, in real life, that would be the Caucasians. Weapons are almost quite literally a part of our religion. I was taught to strip and clean handguns at around age 3-5, they were to me what “legos” are to Americans, and then trained to safely handle and fire these firearms starting from around age six and up, with my father holding my own hands around the pistol to handle the recoil.
There is a code passed down from father to son for generations. Each varies, but these are the core rules:
Never threaten unless you intend to follow through on it.
Never draw a weapon unless you intend to use it.
Never insult an undeserved action, and if they deserve it, give them chance to make it clean, or be prepared to follow through yourself.
Above all: you are responsible for your words and your actions. Everything you say and do holds consequence.
Father to son – the father teaches the son, the son becomes better than the father. If the son fails, it is the fault of the father for not having taught his son properly. Most importantly, an understanding of violence.
If one is not in the right, they cannot pursue violence. Yet if one is in the right, and violence is the outcome, then they must pursue it.
Therefore, if one chooses to go to war, you have chosen to enact violence and therefore claimed that you are in the right in doing so. If one then surrenders, they admit that they were not in the right, and never should have gone to war in the first place. This is ultimately shameful.
Therefore, these captured Chechens – comes down to a simple question. Where they captured whilst wounded? Or were they captured by surrender?
If they surrendered, then they should never have gone to battle in the first place, for they were deceitful in doing so by entering a battle they could not win.
If they were captured honestly, now they have been given a chance to redeem themselves for failure in combat.
Kadyrov is not insulting these men, he is not punishing these men, but giving them a way to save face and regain their honor.
Kadyrov himself has seen war. He knows what it is. This is not some politician who sends young men to die on his behalf. Every Chechen fighter is a volunteer and I guarantee you that these wounded men are itching to return to the battlefield and clear their family names of shame.
There are a great many cultures on this globe we share that anyone reading this cannot comprehend. If they do not make sense to you, perhaps it would be better to try and learn them rather than to lash out against them.
On a further personal note, I do find it interesting that the average Westerner glorifies and romanticizes the Samurai of Japan. Yet, when looking at a very similar code of honor in the men from the Caucuses, it suddenly vaporizes and they decide to insult what was frankly, from my point of view, an extremely polite message from Kadyrov.
~ГГ
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42078
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 9:17 utc | 217
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The EU is in favour of a multicultural society,
What EU ? The Council of Ministers ? The European Commission ? The nation states inside the EU ? What are you talking about ?
I have ZERO evidence the EU has a policy on any such thing – it simply used Mission Creep under Single Market legislation and Free Movement of Labour to expand its judicial overview through the European Court of Justice into Social Policy.
When it tried to impose a Working Hours Directive on UK the Major Government vetoed it……..it then cut a deal with Germany which wanted the Working Hours Directive…………the deal was UK to recognise Croatia in return for Opt-Out on “Social Chapter”
Germany of course never implements EU Directives until years after introduction and is constantly fined or prosecuted ………but the “Wertrational” looks so so good.
Likewise when Blair wanted Gays in the Military or Gay Marriage it let the EU introduce it and when challenges went to the ECJ the British Government put up ZERO resistance so it could introduce it as an EU Regulation by-passing parliament as Enacted Law
So if Estonia and the Baltics are playing Ethnic Persecution Games it is with blessing of USA which seeks any provocation of Russia. EU is nothing more than an Economic Subcommittee of NATO and does as US demands.
What is bemusing is how the charismatic Biden has European politicians following instructions like lapdogs whereas they vociferously opposed the uncharismatic Trump……………
That suggests the puppet is irrelevant and the Deep State instructs the Minions what is to be done – Oppose Trump – Obey Biden
At least WE know who makes policy
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 16 2023 9:22 utc | 218
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 16 2023 9:22 utc | 218
This is why many Americans are calling the intelligence, the Fourth Branch, the real government. Using the leverage provided by their operations they can promote, reward, punish and destroy any one in power, or those who aspire to power. They use this power to steadily increase their influence, happy to live in the shadows whilst people rush about reacting to their commands. This, historically has always been the trajectory, but the revolution in personal computing power, available to the average citizen, super-charged the process. Dreams of netizens, using unparalleled knowledge to allow real democracy were smothered at birth.
How we deal with these shadow-barons, and their increasingly feudal designs, will be the key determinant of our likely fate this century.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 16 2023 10:27 utc | 219
Anybody know what happened to the Donbass Devushka Telegram channel? Hacked? Sold? It was a nice enough resource at times the web interface to Slavyangrad wasn’t working, but now they seem to post only garbage
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Apr 16 2023 10:33 utc | 220
How we deal with these shadow-barons, and their increasingly feudal designs, will be the key determinant of our likely fate this century.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 16 2023 10:27 utc | 219
Much easier than you imagine.
Change the narrative to Trust Busting like TR.
Simply block Trusts like Gates Foundation from having an Investment Trust attached which benefits from policies promoted by the Gates Foundation.
Stop Foundations sponsoring Travel Budgets, Parties, and make them pay TAX……..simply cap their tax benefits
Same goes for Bertelsmann Stiftung in Germany which has a fascinating loophole of owning the Corporation outright as a tax-advantaged “Charity” interfering in politics
Set a SuperTax on Wealth to “Build Back Better” say 15% annual Levy on all fortunes above $500 million
Set a SuperTax on Income of 80% on all incomes over $3 million annually
Cut Defence Spending
Cut subsidies to Big Pharma
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 16 2023 10:56 utc | 221
Donetsk Catedral shelled during Easter services.
100% of all targeting is done by Americans.
What rabid culture produces the target team? What culture lionizes these “warriors”. America reduced to a pack of rabid dogs.
Yes, RF has, in part, failed here. They need to learn they are not defending against humans.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 16 2023 11:29 utc | 222
Posted by: Passerby | Apr 16 2023 9:12 utc | 214
The EU is not what it purports to be, never was, and is now the opposite. A bunch of states turning into tyrannies, the same as the US, Canada, Australia, New Zeland. Multiculturalism is rarely mentioned because it became extremely unpopular, and loathed, in the last two decades and a half. Foreigners, “aliens” are not wanted and the domestic ethnic and religious minorities are discriminated and widely disliked. Take The Netherlands, where I live. Discriminations is systemic, and has been found and proved to be so. The Moroccans, the Turks and other non-white CITIZENS of NL are disliked and discriminated. These are the third and fourht generation Dutch citiznes! They is even a separate term for them, allochtone (alien). I am also allochtone, but I am white, so less affected. This kind of distincition, two categories of citizens, was always a violation of EU law but sat squarely in Dutch law and public discourse for decades. It is starting to disappear, thank goodness. Immigration is a constant topic fuelled by the ideology that Europe is a white Christian domain which must be protected (‘the garden’). The “hordes” are coming and they will soil and ruin “our (white ,Christian) way of life” – is the call around which gathers all the hatred, the ignorance, as well as the superiority complex that lives in every Dutch person.It’s part of their upbringing.
Posted by: JB | Apr 16 2023 12:01 utc | 223
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Observers of this war have noted the way Ukraine has covered itself in dishonour. The history books, should history still exist, will tell the story for the rest of humanity’s existence. If Ukraine is not led by neonazis, why does it act like neonazis?
No need to LOL about it. That’s on your soul.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 16 2023 12:09 utc | 224
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 16 2023 11:29 utc | 222
While there is some clarity in Russian motives and actions, there’s also a lot of obscurantism.
It’s possibly a case of holding back from avenging hundreds. or even thousands, in order to preserve millions, possibly billions. There’s probably an understanding that these attacks are intended to provoke a response to which there will then be a following escalation so it’s just a trap to be avoided and Putinism is legalistic so two wrongs don’t make a right. One thing Russia hasn’t done is spook the allies it does have, nor dissuade new ones from coming forward, by overreacting.
Whole thing still sucks.
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 16 2023 12:11 utc | 225
One thing that is certain. Shelling defenseless civilians, while no doubt satisfying the bloodthirsty Nazi sadists ruling Ukraine, will not bring victory. On the contrary, it will bring everlasting opprobrium.
And if the sedate masses of the West ever have the scales fall from their eyes, the bastards that helped perpetuate these vicious crimes might face a type of justice unloooked for and from an unexpected quarter.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 16 2023 12:17 utc | 226
The US target team appears to still be following the original sanctions pressure play, which through magical thinking Putin is going to be internally deposed. Killing civilians is to increase the pressure on Putin. It’s completely fucking stupid of course with no chance to succeed but the people in charge have even less imagination than they have brains.
The fact that if Putin were to go his replacement would likely be even more hardliner vis a vis Ukraine appears to have escaped their self declared genius.
It takes a lot but these Easter attacks repulse me. There are no words for this kind of barbarism. Terrorism diluted by American overplay. They’re fucking scum is what they are.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 16 2023 12:26 utc | 227
@Ma Laoshi | Apr 16 2023 10:33 utc | 220
Anybody know what happened to the Donbass Devushka Telegram channel? Hacked? Sold? It was a nice enough resource at times the web interface to Slavyangrad wasn’t working, but now they seem to post only garbage
How many times must we prove that this false rumor is indeed … false?
Donbass Devushka
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 16 2023 12:33 utc | 228
Mr. B. and others,
I hope this passes the strange internet borders.
I am very grateful to all the barflies for their comments and I have learned a lot.
Recently I was disappointed about all this hysteria regarding the ‘leaked docs’, who is to blame, blah blah….Another psy-op, and all the alt sites bite into it and get into a circle of dis-info. As wanted.
Most of the guests in this bar are from the west, thus can access only the western sites in their language. Very limited.
Remember that over 83% of the world is functioning outside of your world view, and outside of your lies and [psyops.
We are fed up of you.
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Posted by: stranger | Apr 16 2023 12:38 utc | 229
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-738940
But they aren’t Nazis. It’s just tongue in cheek. 😉 😉
Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 16 2023 12:41 utc | 230
@JB | Apr 16 2023 12:01 utc | 223
Not to pick on the Netherlands in particular, but I saw this
On April 15, Ukrainian refugees held a protest rally due to poor living conditions at an army base in the center of the Netherlands, the regional public broadcaster Omroep Gelderland reported.
No privacy, poor education for the children and poor sanitation. There is dissatisfaction in the reception center for Ukrainian refugees in Harskamp. The dissatisfaction has even run to such an extent that the refugees today protested in front of the reception center for better living conditions.
Link (“>https://www.gld.nl/nieuws/7922557/protest-vluchtelingen-harskamp-privacy-en-onderwijs-niet-goed).
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/1212
When will people realize that the EU is a system of exploitation and nothing else? It is soon 30 years since we had the second referendum in Norway on EU membership (the first one was in 1972). I had figured it out in 1994 and voted NO, because I suspected a fascist development dismantling democracies… I was not wrong.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 16 2023 12:42 utc | 231
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I’m afraid coherence isn’t your strong point. As in no one can determine what you are trying to say.
Try your native language, you might be surprised to learn les autres can also speak other languages. Crazy, right?
I’m being genuine by the way. I think you may be a bit lost.
I thank B who is no propagandist for helping keep alive the light of truth and reason in the face of overwhelming darkness. Never has propaganda been so brazen, never has Western sadism been so apparent.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Apr 16 2023 12:47 utc | 232
@Norwegian | Apr 16 2023 12:33 utc | 228
Nothing to do with a rumor, https://t.me/s/DonbassDevushka did indeed become garbage, I see it with my own eyes. Thanks for pointing me to DDGeopolitics; probably the change was announced somewhere but I didn’t see it.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Apr 16 2023 12:51 utc | 233
I am bitter,
and agree with Microbiologist and others saying that this psyop is going to enforce more control of normal citizens, so Restrict act is going to happen.
I am in the South Europe, they the govt have introduced the law when we are to be punished with exorbitant penalties for speaking our minds, too much to pay for us, and then they take our properties and make us homeless.
Posted by: stranger | Apr 16 2023 13:00 utc | 234
@ stranger | Apr 16 2023 12:38 utc | 229
Recently I was disappointed about all this hysteria regarding the ‘leaked docs’, who is to blame, blah blah….Another psy-op, and all the alt sites bite into it and get into a circle of dis-info. As wanted.
Most of the guests in this bar are from the west, thus can access only the western sites in their language. Very limited.
Some of us, Westerners, are also multilanguage or multinational and can have good insight on what is going on significantly broader area than our own turf.
You are right in saying that it was a psy-op, but not as successful as they hoped to be.
20+ years ago a fat neo-con bastard from Bush administration lamented something about the USA creating new realities. And while the World comments and is blindly focused on a recent particular reality, empire is already a step in front of everybody else and creates yet another reality.
This is how they operate, and one learns how not to be drawn to the ever-changing actual point of empire’s reality.
This is how I see it. Also, I am checking left and right, up and down news from everywhere, and apply own developed filters.
There is no need to denigrate and divide people on those who know and do not.
Both East-West still have many smart people.
Across many countries that I have friends in that are most all well-educated and fluid in politics, technology, and economy.
Not one believes in a current Western narrative, while also many are clever enough to take Russian narrative closer to their beliefs after comparing the two sides.
Indian minister said it beautifully, along the lines of European problems that are World’s problems, but World’s problems fail to become European ones.
Hopefully that will change with multipolar mindset.
Posted by: whirlX | Apr 16 2023 13:10 utc | 235
“Nothing to do with a rumor, https://t.me/s/DonbassDevushka did indeed become garbage, I see it with my own eyes. Thanks for pointing me to DDGeopolitics; probably the change was announced somewhere but I didn’t see it.
Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Apr 16 2023 12:51 utc | 233″
Seems she got doxed and threatened by those nafo dog turds. They even posted pics of her daughter and tell her to kill herself.
Again. We are all being monitored. And by AI too. Hi, AI. So be careful.
Safe interneting…
Posted by: Comandante | Apr 16 2023 13:11 utc | 236
It occurred to me that we have now reached the point where the goals of Ukraine (presuming that the spirit of the people still lives and hasn’t been completely exterminated yet) and the goals of the neocons running the show in DC and London diverge.
And in a way that is no longer able to be hidden.
For the first year it was possible to cloak the neocons goals in the “freedumb” hurrah. This is manifested by the blue and yellow flags everywhere.
Well, we’re now getting at least some public recognition that The governments of UK and US are just fine if this war drags on for another 7 years. Killing off just about every Ukrainian citizen is fine to them as long as it hurts Russia.
However, people cannot be fooled all the time. More and more it seems that the average man in the street can see the duplicity and evil that their governments do.
I don’t know what this has to do with the leaks, maybe nothing. But it could be that even zelensky realized he’s being led to the slaughter and wants no part of it. Hence the counteroffensive that got canceled.
Posted by: Chris | Apr 16 2023 13:13 utc | 237
Richard Steven Hack @206:
Normally you are quite logical, if a bit hotheaded, but this post makes no sense.
How long do you think before the Biden investigation turns over who was involved IF it’s from their own team? Haines wouldn’t risk it.
The Democrats are in full tribal mode right now. Circle-the-wagons and all of that. Any internal malfeasance or incompetence would be aggressively covered. If the leak came from within the Biden Admin there is no risk of exposure from any internal investigation.
…the Obama/Clinton team wouldn’t risk damaging Biden at this junction since Biden is unlikely to survive the Democratic nominating process anyway
Yes, Biden is unlikely to survive any primary that isn’t fully fixed, but that makes him disposable. “It was all the kiddy-sniffing old white guy’s fault! I told you we should have gone with Clinton!” That kind of narrative is completely in line with the woke-tardation that half the country remains deeply in thrall to. Some fake “Mea culpa!” and bogus shallow soul searching (no more than a single news cycle or two) and the loyalty of the `tards will be cemented for the next election regardless of who the DNC shoved down their throats. Butt-gig, perhaps? Too early for him. They need a woman in the White House first to salvage original plans, but getting rid of Biden before the elections and giving Kamala’s ass just enough time to warm the throne might be sufficient. A couple news cycles to celebrate “The first EVAR!!” would probably do the trick, yet be brief enough to keep her from doing much damage.
Furthermore, the Establishment believes they have Trump under control now with the show trials. They will keep those alive until after the next election before letting those farces fall apart with some Mueller-esque mumbling.
This whole “leak” show was orchestrated by someone with access to printed documents (indicates high level) from multiple different very much compartmentalized intelligence agencies (indicates VERY high level), and Melaleuca’s supposition that it was Avril Haines certainly fits there.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 16 2023 13:36 utc | 238
@ Doctor
I speak fluently 3 languages, my own mother tongue plus english and arabic and somewhat french. I can read all in the print without problems.
I did not want to disturb anybody, but there is a major fu…k up going in EU, and we, the plebs should be aware of it.
The lies are too much, while our govts are pillaging us and even killing us, yes.
Posted by: stranger | Apr 16 2023 13:52 utc | 239
Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 9:12 utc | 215
I recently read that Ukrainian wheat purchased by European countries is being destroyed due to unacceptably high levels of pesticide.
Posted by: Mike R | Apr 16 2023 14:09 utc | 240
@ stranger | Apr 16 2023 12:38 utc | 229
Many posters here are bilingual or even multilingual, and there are frequent links to non-English sites trusting in the miracle of computer translation.
But please tell us what vast informative just and superior linguistic political and cultural sphere you hail from so we can examine, admire, and advertise it.
Mars?
Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 16 2023 14:14 utc | 241
@whilX
‘Across many countries that I have friends in that are most all well-educated and fluid in politics, technology, and economy.
Not one believes in a current Western narrative, while also many are clever enough to take Russian narrative closer to their beliefs after comparing the two sides.’
Thank you for your thoughtful comment, and i agree with everything you say.
Us Slaves who do speak English as a second language use it as our own language – in a very much direct way and into your face.We tailor your language to our use.We are very direct when speaking.
Watching your modern woke movies I often get frustrated with a language which is so careful, says nothing…
Posted by: stranger | Apr 16 2023 14:32 utc | 242
Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 16 2023 14:14 utc | 241
I understand you and my intention was not to act like an uppity b..stard.
However, you get very easily offended you westerners when one does not comply to your agendas.
I know this very well as my best friend is from UK, and I have learned that he gets very pissed off very easily when he is told some truths about you, in spite he is the loveliest and kindest human I know.
There is something drummed into you, even the lowliest of you, that you are better then the others, via your education.
This is being corrected now, as your lieing govt. has turned upon you the citizens, as they ran out of other victims in the world
When, however, you are out of your territory, you receive a major brainmelt solution and realize that your govt is out there for you. You will panic. Good luck.
Posted by: stranger | Apr 16 2023 15:01 utc | 243
Norwegian | Apr 16 2023 12:42 utc | 231
When will people realize that the EU is a system of exploitation and nothing else? It is soon 30 years since we had the second referendum in Norway on EU membership (the first one was in 1972). I had figured it out in 1994 and voted NO, because I suspected a fascist development dismantling democracies… I was not wrong.
Akkurat, min venn!
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 16 2023 15:25 utc | 244
Quoted by Down South @217: “Kadyrov is not insulting these men [exchanged prisoners], he is not punishing these men, but giving them a way to save face and regain their honor.”
This is something many in the West cannot wrap their heads around. Since the end of WWII western populations have been facing intense indoctrination with a different conception of identity and the foundations of one’s self-respect. Prior to this, society was based in “Honor Culture”. To build or maintain one’s self-respect in an honor-based culture one must be honest. One must not lie or cheat or steal. One’s word is one’s bond, and one must defend that bond with one’s very life. This is very much like portions of Japan’s “bushi-do” and China’s conception of “face”.
There have been active efforts to dismantle “Honor Culture” in the West and replace it with “Victim Culture”. This replacement has been most successful among the college educated middle class, though in particular the non-STEM educated (STEM education tends to be much more rigorous and rarely leaves sufficient time for full indoctrination into nonsense). Others who are enamoured with Utopian dreams and worship nebulous “liberal ideals” also get caught up in the “Victim Culture” worldview as they imagine it to be a kinder and gentler way of life than the harsh realism of “Honor Culture”.
So what exactly is “Victim Culture”? That would be a dissertation-level discussion, but briefly it is the worship of victimhood. Individuals and groups within “Victim Culture” achieve status by demonstrating how they have been victimized. Community-wide or society-wide recognition/acknowledgement of one’s victimhood affords the greatest social status to individuals in “Victim Culture”. Lying, cheating, stealing, and other behaviours that would cause one to lose “face” in “Honor Culture” are perfectly acceptable in “Victim Culture” if those behaviours are attributed to victimhood. The Irish, Greeks, Italians, and what have you who immigrated to the US were all victimized by discrimination upon arrival but did not wallow in self-pity over it. Such self-pity was not a route to status for them. On the contrary, it would dishonor them, their family, their name, and their ethnicity. They did not exhibit “Victim Culture”.
I often use the most extreme examples to illustrate the ludicrous depths that contemporary western culture has descended to and I will do so again in this discussion. Here we are talking about the claims of being victimized by “reverse discrimination” made by some white males in the West. This is to be entirely expected in “Victim Culture”. After all, how else are white men to achieve social status otherwise? Declare themselves to be gay? Women? In “Honor Culture” your personal misfortunes are your own to bear and you achieve status despite them by being honorable. White guys complaining about the very real “reverse discrimination” in contemporary western culture are just trying to find their place in “Victim Culture”.
Recall Elon Musk recently calling out the BBC for lying. Within “Victim Culture” the BBC was faultless for their lies, and in fact Musk was seen as a “bully” for calling attention to their craven dishonesty. By being ridiculed (“microaggressioned”) the BBC’s status as a victim actually went up among those mired in self-pitying “Victim Culture”.
So perhaps one can see that by being victimized the Chechen prisoners had attained status as “Victim Culture” people would view things. The Chechen prisoners having to recover their honor is as meaningless to “Victim Culture” people as the need to showcase their victimhood is for people adhering to “Honor Culture”.
This divide in worldview is real and stark in the West.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 16 2023 15:39 utc | 245
stranger | Apr 16 2023 15:01 utc | 243
I understand you and my intention was not to act like an uppity b..stard.
However, you get very easily offended you westerners when one does not comply to your agendas.
I know this very well as my best friend is from UK, and I have learned that he gets very pissed off very easily when he is told some truths about you, in spite he is the loveliest and kindest human I know.
There is something drummed into you, even the lowliest of you, that you are better then the others, via your education.
This is being corrected now, as your lieing govt. has turned upon you the citizens, as they ran out of other victims in the world.
C’est la même chose ici, en France, et mes copains/ines en Italie, Autriche, Espagne et l’Allemagne sont trop souvent pareils !
I have hit the same, er, problem with italian:spanis, german; austrian etc friends … !
It seems to most prevalent in the de-educated, not just the youth but those denied access to information !
(” You will never achieve what you want until you leave what you desire, and you will never reach your goals until you have patience with what you hate.”
Every hopeful person continues seeking, and every fearful one runs away.
– Imam Ali)
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 16 2023 17:14 utc | 246
@ stranger | Apr 16 2023 14:32 utc | 242
@ stranger | Apr 16 2023 15:01 utc | 243
You have no idea of my “agenda.” I barely do.
Let me close this unpromising “hands across the water” session by recommending a recent rough but highly-amusing facepalm-wise movie, Aliens, Clowns and Geeks (2019).
Not suitable for work, school, children, the delicately-nurtured, or the professionally-offended.
Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 16 2023 18:53 utc | 247
Avril Haines?
Isn’t she the lawyer who didn’t let her legal training, judicial principles, or oaths of office dissuade her from legalizing extralegal assassinations (as the legal council for Obama’s Disposition Matrix, for example)?
Why yes, I believe she is.
Highest clearances for the most malleable minds. I believe she’s also been very adept at sanitizing regime torture, so this latest leaky commotion should be a breeze.
***
On the bright side…
Posted by: john | Apr 16 2023 19:45 utc | 248
William Gruff @245–
Standing Ovation!! The Honor Culture vs Victim Culture issue is something I’ve wanted to address for years but never seemed to find the right time or issue to do so. Honor Culture is deeply buried within Traditional Conservatism while Liberalism accepted various degrees of corruption into its ism long ago that has undermined it to the point where Victim Culture is lauded. You can see Honor Culture at work within Russia’s political-economy and its restated Foreign Policy Concept, and its tenets are repeated continuously, particularly by Putin. Clearly, Honor Culture was the dominant POV is constructing the UN Charter, which is the main reason Stalin agreed. But that was immediately junked when it came into power as the West sought to depict itself as the Victim of Communist Aggression, and thus Victim Culture was reborn and rebuilt. Controlling such a culture via Divide and Rule is much easier as we’ve witnessed as lies are allowed to flourish and justified by twisting Cultural Relativism into knots.