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April 14, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-90
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 14 2023 23:06 utc | 65 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 15 2023 10:04 utc | 101 Biswapriya Purkayast @73: “The difference is that the black kids kept pushing your friend up to fight you instead of one of the bigger kids then stepping in to take you on.” Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 15 2023 11:03 utc | 102 I very much appreciate the insights of this former NATO official
Major General Agostinho Costa in CNN Portugal April 15, 2023 Posted by: António Ferrão | Apr 15 2023 11:24 utc | 103 Minimum, incomplete, low-ball KIA(only)(FEBA only) 460+ … Translated:
About leaks and Ukro-NATO Spring offensive. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 15 2023 11:56 utc | 105 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 15 2023 11:56 utc | 103 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2023 12:15 utc | 106 So as we are watching the eventual fall of Ukraine, was it worth it? I feel the US overreached on Ukraine and has destroyed the western economic system. Was it worth the suffering that will happen to the Wests populations as they slide around the drain of irrelevancy and poverty. Biden will be known in history as the President that oversaw the collapse of the west. We cant fight China without putting the final nail in our power projection ability. Will their be a wider war is still unknown at this point as the US will try and avoid it if they can find another country to shoulder it for them against China and Russia. In the end we will have a broken financial system and and a massively depleted military. The US is becoming fascist and will become much worse at home as the world turns away from us. Posted by: Peace | Apr 15 2023 12:24 utc | 107 Gruff @ 10 Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 15 2023 12:28 utc | 108 @ unimperator | Apr 15 2023 12:15 utc | 104 IF Poland steps into Ukraine then I’m pretty sure that Russia will take Odessa (and all the coastal water along the Black Sea that is/was Ukraine). Posted by: rk | Apr 15 2023 13:00 utc | 110 William Gruff’s eloquent metaphor at #54 reminds me of an Andy Capp cartoon. The Brits will know about Andy Capp but not sure others will. Posted by: Vrgates | Apr 15 2023 13:32 utc | 111 I know its not Ukraine but the RFS in Sudan Wagner trained and linked have surrounded 3 airports and taken the presidential palace. Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 15 2023 13:40 utc | 112 Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 14 2023 18:11 utc | 22
No, they always believed the almighty dollar was enough to keep Russia at heel while they prepared for further plunder. They knew well the alternative to Russia’s obedience was a civilisational, existential war, and even the most paranoid among them never thought Russia would take that one-way step out of their twisted global rules based order. But it did, and here we are. There was an almost palpable sense of shock and disbelief when western agencies started to announce that Russia was preparing to invade, they were caught with their bloomers around their ankles good and proper.
I’ve seen nothing to indicate that is true but a lot of the AI stuff is open source anyway and they’re no slouches when it comes to CS work. And oh! What a future awaits – I promise you that when advanced AI, even though it’s not actually intelligence but sophisticated pattern matching and assembly, meshes with some of the up and coming innovations in the world of drones, you’ll see terrors undreamed of. Posted by: Due West | Apr 15 2023 13:51 utc | 113
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17298 Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2023 14:18 utc | 115 Just a quick comment about AI: the West has invested most of its AI development efforts into training AIs to share their delusions. They are trying to create AIs that have the same broken view of the world as white, middle class woketards. Not only does this slow the development of AI in the West, but it results in AI implementations as dysfunctional as the societies they are being developed in. If an insane AI is developed that is bent on destroying the world with the intention of pursuing a warped conception of “equity”, then it will definitely be birthed in the USA. Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 15 2023 14:19 utc | 116
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41955 Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2023 14:22 utc | 117 The leaks don’t reveal much that close watchers of the conflict didn’t already know or strongly suspect. The only thing they really do is undermine the western political narrative. And they have the potential to embarrass the Biden regime … if it was at all concerned with reality. Posted by: Lex | Apr 15 2023 14:23 utc | 118 Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2023 14:18 utc | 113 Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 15 2023 14:24 utc | 119 Watched Terminator Genisys yesterday. Some nice one-liners: T55 “old, but not obsolete” and Terminator falls into liquid metal vat and returns ‘upgraded’, Russia to NATO “Bite me!”, Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 15 2023 14:24 utc | 120 https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/55213 Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 15 2023 14:46 utc | 121 Apparently one of the documents that is part of the leak or maybe leaks is an internal CIA memo, which would never be available to the military. Unlikely that the young guy in Massachusetts had access to many of the documents. Posted by: RB | Apr 15 2023 14:49 utc | 122 Posted by: Vrgates | Apr 15 2023 13:32 utc | 109 Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 15 2023 14:50 utc | 123 Prygohzin is now saying that ending the war here counts as a victory- exactly what I said here not too long ago. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 15 2023 15:28 utc | 124 Down South @ 115
Population of Moldova is 2.6 million with half a million of that in the PMR. It’s maybe the poorest country in Europe, not much work or hope there, never was, probably every family has a relative or friend abroad. The country is poor, corrupt and I’m sure the population cynical as hell. If the country really militarizes like UKR did from 2014 I could see the entire country emptying out except pensioners. Remains to be seen, but I think “training a Moldovan army” is just a cover for building up a large western EU NATO force there. If you’re Moldovan between the ages of 16-55 you would have to have a grave case of dumbass to stick around. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 15 2023 15:56 utc | 125 anon2020 | Apr 15 2023 14:46 utc | 119 Posted by: rk | Apr 15 2023 16:05 utc | 126 The poorest place in Europe used to always be Albania. However, after 2014, the Ukraine fell enough to wrest the title from Albania. As of 2021, a normal monthly take home wage in the Ukraine was around 90€ .that’s Monthly Posted by: Exile | Apr 15 2023 16:06 utc | 127 ” Just a quick comment about AI: the West has invested most of its AI development efforts into training AIs to share their delusions. They are trying to create AIs that have the same broken view of the world as white, middle class woketards. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 15 2023 16:21 utc | 128 Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 15 2023 13:40 utc | 110
The pattern is so predictable … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 15 2023 16:23 utc | 129 @ Arch Bungle | Apr 15 2023 16:23 utc | 127 Posted by: Peace | Apr 15 2023 12:24 utc | 105 Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 15 2023 16:32 utc | 131 This talk of destitute nations reminds me of Peter Falk as Pedro Carmichael in Tune in Tomorrow, saying things for comic effect that could never again be said in any form of media, lol. Spoiler alert, at the climax of the movie an angry mob of the ethnicity* he had just gotten through denigrating couldn’t take it any more and goes to burn down the radio station that was broadcasting the drama that Peter Falk’s character had written the dialogue for. Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 15 2023 16:33 utc | 132 That $1 Trillion yields a “weak” military ought to get everyone responsible fired. Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 15 2023 16:38 utc | 133 Posted by: Outraged | Apr 15 2023 16:31 utc | 128
(This must be where OoohCanada got his propaganda cue from …)
The question really baking my noodle is how the CIA managed to light this bonfire. Who took the paycheck on the RSF or Sudan Army side? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 15 2023 16:49 utc | 134 NATO military base to be built in Moldova Posted by: Marvin | Apr 15 2023 16:50 utc | 135 @ Arch Bungle | Apr 15 2023 16:49 utc | 132 A key advantage of “the swamp dwellers” of the deep state/MIC is that they exist in a swamp, and that makes them hard to replace with good people. Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 15 2023 17:09 utc | 137 It seems that an Ukr airplane from SkyUp was destroyed at Khartoum airport. The boys were doing “business” there. Posted by: rk | Apr 15 2023 17:09 utc | 138 ” Erik Prince, the former head of the mercenary firm Blackwater, is now the CEO of Frontier Services Group (FSG), which provides logistics and aviation services to Chinese companies in Africa. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 15 2023 17:11 utc | 139 @ Arch Bungle | Apr 15 2023 16:49 utc | 132
It seems like a video of the surrender of the Egyptian military to the Sudanese special forces TG, vidclip. Deplorable: Prince is a mercenary, a thug who will work for whoever pays him. You didn’t know that? Posted by: malenkov | Apr 15 2023 17:21 utc | 141 Sudan, Follow the time-line. Doug Hillman @131– Russian port by the Red Sea? Sudan says “yes”
@143 Posted by: paddy | Apr 15 2023 18:05 utc | 145 @144 outraged Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 15 2023 18:22 utc | 146 ” Deplorable: Prince is a mercenary, a thug who will work for whoever pays him. You didn’t know that? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 15 2023 18:33 utc | 147 Former NATO troops see ‘disarray’ in Ukrainian military – CTV
Prygohzin is now saying that ending the war here counts as a victory- exactly what I said here not too long ago. … Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 15 2023 18:35 utc | 149 Prygohzin is now saying that ending the war here counts as a victory- exactly what I said here not too long ago. … Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 15 2023 18:42 utc | 150 paddy @145– @ karlof1 | Apr 15 2023 18:44 utc | 151 Poland about to manufacture depleted uranium weapons InfoBRICS.org Apr14’23
@Milites | Apr 14 2023 19:50 utc | 42 Posted by: gT | Apr 15 2023 19:04 utc | 154 @Vrgates, #111: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 15 2023 19:13 utc | 155 Posted by: gT | Apr 15 2023 19:04 utc | 154 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2023 19:16 utc | 156 Alexander Kots (Komsomolskaya Pravda journalist) reports from the centre of Bakhmut Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Apr 15 2023 19:28 utc | 157 @143 There is still the pretense in Washington that the cost overruns and under-performance of new weapons systems are inadvertent. To the contrary, the defense contractors have perfected a form of racketeering that maximizes their profits. Once the Pentagon in on the hook for a project, the contractor can miss deadlines and impose additional costs, running up the profits on the contract. Because the contractors have bought the politicians which “oversee” defense procurement and they have promised the military leaders cushy jobs after retirement, there is no hope of reform. Thus, the U.S. is pursuing a kind of unilateral disarmament through corruption. Posted by: HH | Apr 15 2023 19:34 utc | 158 Komsomolskaya Pravda has a big article on the ‘Dagger’ attack in March on a NATO bunker in Lvov, where 200 NATO officers got killed. There are no videos or photos added. Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Apr 15 2023 19:36 utc | 159
It’s Time to Bring Back the Polish-Lithuanian Union Posted by: Fabrice | Apr 15 2023 19:37 utc | 160 @ Paul Damascene 22: absolutely! Posted by: Anthony | Apr 15 2023 19:54 utc | 161 Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Apr 15 2023 19:36 utc | 159 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 15 2023 20:07 utc | 163
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42009 Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2023 20:17 utc | 164
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42011 Posted by: Down South | Apr 15 2023 20:18 utc | 165 Deplorable: Prince is a rent-a-thug. I doubt he enjoyed any high-level CIA clearance. And if he did, well, the CIA is even stupider than we’ve suspected all along. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 15 2023 20:23 utc | 166 @Outraged #144 Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 15 2023 21:10 utc | 167 @ OohCanada | Apr 15 2023 21:10 utc | 167 Well, just as I thought Germany could not sink any lower then along comes Baerbock foot in mouth without any seeming care about diplomacy, fostering good relationships and, more importantly, without any significant, truthful view about the Ukraine conflict. My God, she’s not only pure vitriol but is so delusional and drunk with power that she can only see herself, nobody or nothing else matters. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 15 2023 21:59 utc | 169 I am so sick of this site’s goddamn filter. I have tried three times now under both of my usernames to get a post explaining Jack Teixera’s job qualifications and I just can’t get it past the filter. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 15 2023 22:37 utc | 170 ” Deplorable: Prince is a rent-a-thug. I doubt he enjoyed any high-level CIA clearance. And if he did, well, the CIA is even stupider than we’ve suspected all along. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 15 2023 22:51 utc | 171 Deplorable: Tell us and we’ll both know. Or ask the Chinese. Myself, I find the matter even less interesting than your cat-and-mouse games. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 15 2023 22:56 utc | 172 ” Deplorable: Tell us and we’ll both know. Or ask the Chinese. Myself, I find the matter even less interesting than your cat-and-mouse games. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 15 2023 23:00 utc | 173 @ Jo Dominich, §169: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 15 2023 23:07 utc | 174 @ Fabrice, §160: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 15 2023 23:13 utc | 175 Alastair Crooke in his al-Mayadeen column puts into words the paradox we’re witnessing, “US’ Rising Anxiety as Russia Survives Attrition by the Entirety of NATO”. Crooke cites a long segment written by the former editor-in-chief of China’s Global Times, Hu Xijin, of which this paragraph is the key outtake:
Crooke believes this provokes a paradox for the Chinese as there appears to be an absence of rationality. I don’t see it that way. I see a massive failure to attain the planned–assured–outcome causing a massive infighting blame-game amidst continued–failed–doubling down on the already failed policy since there was never a Plan B. Accusing China is mere optics/narrative in an attempt to shift blame elsewhere: Instead of Russia’s Fault, it’s now China’s Fault. And to top this massive failure we now have LeakGate that’s yet another attempt to shift the blame with the victim being a proxy for the entire US Military. Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Apr 15 2023 19:28 utc | 157 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 15 2023 23:17 utc | 177 @ Oblomovka daydream, §159: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 15 2023 23:22 utc | 178 Martyanov on Ania’s “Through the eyes of” Youtube channel. For the haters, of course. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 15 2023 23:24 utc | 179 Re drugs leaving Ukraine in coffins: Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 15 2023 23:29 utc | 180 @ karlof1, §176: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 15 2023 23:34 utc | 181 I picked this up from Pepe Escobar’s Telegram:
In so few words, the crux of the matter is displayed. Russia wanted to have peace as did those in Donbas which is why Minsk 1&2. But NATO/Outlaw US Empire didn’t want peace but war as its actions prove and continue to prove. The entire world knows Russia’s willing to negotiate but the Outlaw US Empire forbids any negotiations over Ukraine as Russia must be defeated. Clearly the policy has massively failed, but such failure cannot be admitted; so, the failed policy continues. A poor, likely innocent, young man was framed in an attempt to get the failed policy altered–but note no media has uttered/printed the phrase: “The Ukraine policy has failed.” How many more will be slaughtered for this failed policy. Didn’t John Kerry say something in relation to that back during Vietnam? IMO, even the trolls know the policy has failed utterly. @ karlof1, §182: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 16 2023 0:01 utc | 183 John Marks @ 183
If the DNC was that horrified about Bernie they’ll be even more worried about RFK Jr. Granted RFK Jr. gave his full blessing for his son to go play mercenary in Ukraine. To be cynical I’d say it’s a way to get some military cred in his background while avoiding real militarily service should he ever go into politics. But to be fair from RFK Jr’s interviews the son’s commitment seemed pretty genuine. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 16 2023 0:29 utc | 184 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 15 2023 22:37 utc | 170 Posted by: Milites | Apr 16 2023 0:40 utc | 185 Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 15 2023 23:14 utc | 176 Posted by: Milites | Apr 16 2023 0:50 utc | 186 fresh meat. phone giving co ordinates with background shots of buildings and river. Posted by: duggie | Apr 16 2023 0:54 utc | 187 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 15 2023 17:11 utc | 139
What makes you think nobody finds it troubling? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 16 2023 1:26 utc | 188 karlof1 | Apr 15 2023 23:14 utc | 176 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 16 2023 2:24 utc | 189 Melaleuca @189– Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Apr 16 2023 2:38 utc | 191 karlof1 | Apr 16 2023 2:33 utc | 190 Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 16 2023 2:53 utc | 192 resh meat. phone giving co ordinates with background shots of buildings and river. Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 16 2023 4:24 utc | 193
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42045 Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 4:31 utc | 196
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42066 Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 4:36 utc | 197
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https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/55370 Posted by: Down South | Apr 16 2023 4:43 utc | 198 Quite why Baerbock thought visiting China in casual clothes was a good idea is secondary to her choice of white in a culture which imbues significance to white attire and death Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 16 2023 4:44 utc | 199
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