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Ukraine Open Thread 2023-89
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.
Richard Steven Hack notes:
Hello, Notes! What's going on?
In case anyone has missed this, the current lead story about Ukraine is the leak of alleged government documents about the conflict. Well, I’ve collected several of these documents and placed in a folder in my Google Drive. This also includes an article from a Chinese Web site by someone called “Suyi Control” who posts 38 document images and analyzes them. I have machine translated the article us Mate Translate. The link is here, anyone with the link can access them: https://drive.google.com/..
The current open thread for other issues is here.
Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
@ Melaleuca | Apr 12 2023 23:00 utc | 113
Way to go dementia Joe.
@ Melaleuca | Apr 13 2023 1:06 utc | 145
Quite so. And yet again, for the very slow learners or not paying attention, all Intel product is ~85% open source, only when assessed &/or corroborated by ‘other means’, graded for credibility & reliability re source (per data point/paragraph) does it become, classified. ‘Tis not something magical written on stone tablets presented from upon high on the Mount. Childish. Hello ?
Further, the rot re professional non politicized ‘product’ started to go belly up post ’91, but even from late ’70’s re Iran, Iran-Contra/Ollie North run out of WH (Iran-Iraq War ’80-’88 & Contras, especially so since lead-up to Iraq War ’03 WMDs/Al Qaeda onwards(Including WH/neocon generated false imagery re imaginary Iraqi imminent invasion of KSA). That rot has become embedded due Cheney/Powell/Wolfwowitz/etc, lead-up to Iraq War’03 WMD, aluminum tubes, outing covert agents(NOC) via attacks on diplomat husband, not singing in tune, politicized feedlot Intel Silos, and if the professional analysis & product does not align with the desired end-product from up on high, individuals are sidelined & eventually purged. The intel product to be used by the Neocons is forced ‘pre-shaped’ to justify their delusions, magical thinking & aims/objectives. The same winnowing that occurred throughout USA armed forces over the same period, last 30 years plus. See: ISW, Oryx, BellingCrap, Syrian Human Rights Observatory, Curveball, etc …
PS One of the reasons for enabling widespread ‘Enhanced Interrogation Techniques'(Petraeus(Betray-US)(Iraq/ME, thence Head CIA)) was so as to be able to fabricate pre-determined false Intel via, torture. Hyper-political Brennan re the farce of the ‘Steele Dossier’, Comey, the very creation of the politically controlled overlord of politicized Intel in the form of Clapper(EX Director CIA) re Director of ‘National Intelligence’. To support & enable policy, internally, NOT the other guy (ie Belligerents, Russia, etc). Hello ?
@ Surferket | Apr 13 2023 2:30 utc | 156
@ Surferket | Apr 13 2023 2:35 utc | 158
Quite so, routinely. Selective amnesia & corrupted/faulty recall ?
@ S.P. Korolev | Apr 13 2023 3:08 utc | 163
Regardless, likely misled, indoctrinated, pointless. Sad …
@ oracle | Apr 13 2023 2:59 utc | 162
For an oracle, you missed all the statements in Dec’22 & Jan’23, and again from late Mar’23, re Ukraine cannot win, Ukraine cannot take Crimea, a Ukraine offensive cannot change the course nor outcome of the conflict. An oracle ?
@ JustTruth | Apr 13 2023 3:28 utc | 165
The leaks are to aid the internal factional conflicts/fights re Ukraine & the wider geo policy course & consequences even blind freddy can see & foresee, accelerate disunity re Neocon agenda within US ‘leadership’, secondarily drop a grenade within US/NATO/EU/5-Eyes re maintaining the ‘dictated’ course. They are ‘obviously’ not meant to influence the Russkies in anyway, & certainly will not & never would.
@ Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 12 2023 23:03 utc | 114
Is there any prominent public anti-imeperialist you have not personally repeatedly slandered misusing this forum, yet ? Asking for a friend.
@ Jerr | Apr 13 2023 0:00 utc | 131 & Jerr | Apr 13 2023 2:26 utc | 155
Perhaps change your nic to FUD ? And you have handled tens of thousands of highly classified Docu over decades, inclusive SCI & Codeword ? Drafted, produced & compiled them ? Utilized them ? Served in an Intel capacity to be able to make such FUD declarations based on your extensive personal knowledge & first hand experience. Perhaps your cartoonish colleague FUDD may deign to share some cake with you. FUD & FUDD ?.
@ Elmer Fudd | Apr 13 2023 1:32 utc | 152
As per your usual. Simplified cartoon, Elmer Fudd. And no, classified briefings for the Prez are another, tightly restricted, higher grade of SCI, specifically prepared individually for the Prez. The leaked Classified were prepped for ‘point in time’ daily rolling summaries & briefings for the JCS. All this jibber-jabber yet ignorant of even basic issues & facts ? Hm …
@ Sunny Runny Burger | Apr 12 2023 20:12 utc | 57
Multiple threads … repetitious much ?
As per your previous, previous request, no need to travel to Cuba, please enjoy your, FOAD cake.
Posted by: Outraged | Apr 13 2023 4:02 utc | 173
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