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April 11, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-87

After a long and somewhat lazy phase, which nevertheless killed a lot of Ukrainian troops, someone seems to have given an order to hurry up with taking Bakhmut.

Today's Ru MoD clobber report on Bakhmut / Artyomovsk:

In Donetsk direction, the main forces of the Russian troops were concentrated near the city of Artyomovsk. The Wagner assault groups continued fighting to seize blocks in the central part of Artyomovsk and push the enemy to the western outskirts of the settlement. On the flanks, the assault teams are supported by the Airborne Troops.

Missile Troops and Artillery of the Yug Group of Forces and Operational-Tactical Aviation provide air and fire support to the offensive. Over the past 24 hours, aircraft flew 11 sorties close to Artyomovsk and the Missile Troops and Artillery carried out 48 firing missions for this purpose. The enemy's losses amounted to over 450 Ukrainian troops and mercenaries, three tanks, three infantry fighting vehicles, six armoured fighting vehicles, D-20 and a MSTA-B howitzers, as well as two U.S.-made AN/TPQ-50 radar stations over the past day in this direction.

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Posted by b on April 11, 2023 at 14:37 UTC | Permalink
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Would highly recommend Big Serge’s piece on the leaks and the coming “counter offensive”
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-leak-biopsy

Posted by: leaf | Apr 11 2023 15:02 utc | 1

Wow. That’s a pretty impressive manoeuvre! Looks like the RF Air Force is taking control!

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 11 2023 15:06 utc | 2

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 11 2023 15:06 utc | 2
Once the Russians managed to push majority of the Ukrainians west of the city I would carpet bomb them, as the area has lots of open fields.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 11 2023 15:28 utc | 3

“Be prepared for different news from Bakhmut.”— @Boris_Rozhin
The depressive statements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the prospects of holding the remnants of the city reflect the systemic deterioration of the situation as a result of the actions of the Wagner PMC in the city and the Russian Armed Forces to the north and south of Artemovsk. It has not been possible to unblock the roads to the city or to restore the unproblematic transfer of reserves and ammunition to the city. This leads to the depletion of the AFU grouping in Artemovsk and makes it somewhat easier for Wagner to clean up the city blocks.
At the same time, the expected miracle associated with the counterattacks from the area of Chasov Yar and Rai-Alexandrovka did not happen, both due to countermeasures by the Wagner PMC and the Russian Armed Forces as well as due to the unfortunate weather for these countermeasures.
In view of this, the trends that formed at the end of February in Artemovsk persist and lead to the final loss of the city, which will have to be somehow “sold” to society and the AFU troops, who have been told by propaganda for a long time that “no one can take Bakhmut” and “this is Ukraine’s Stalingrad.”
In the end, there will be another defeat and the loss of a major city. That is why they are already beginning to put down straws, although of course this will not prevent them from defending virtually for some time after the loss of Artemovsk, as they did in Soledar.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41414

Posted by: Down South | Apr 11 2023 15:28 utc | 4

Tv news seems to be preparing the public for Ukrainian defeat. Slowly the narrative is changing from “Ukraine wins” to “Ukraine needs more bullets” to “Ukraine needs more men”.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 11 2023 15:30 utc | 5

Big Serge’s piece is excellent although I am not sure of the relevance of the “leaks” which don’t tell us anything we didn’t know. However, the coming “counter offensive” is very much on the Russian’s wish list. Oh, a golden egg from the Easter Bunny!
As I write here:
https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/will-the-counteroffensive-happen

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Apr 11 2023 15:30 utc | 6

Hi! I posted this at the end of another thread so I’ll repost it here.
A question for the barflies that keep a better track of this stuff. Is the Russian ruble still backed by a fraction of gold that was added in March 2022 in response to U.S. led sanctions? I think at the time is was .005 of a gram a gold per ruble.

Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 11 2023 15:33 utc | 7

Of particular importance is the RF’s increased and effective use of airpower, thanks to new weapons, including electronic countermeasures and new tactics. not to mention degradation of UAF AD systems. Of course, the “leaks” seemed designed to encourage the West to beef up UAF AD systems — not that they can do this in time for a counteroffensive this year. Maybe next year?

Posted by: julianmacfarlane | Apr 11 2023 15:34 utc | 8

Russia mod on the flanks, wagner all in on the 3d battle field of bahkmut.
Faster yes, but it’ll just start on chasiv yar and push up to the last two big ones and start over, if both sides still want to fight that is.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 11 2023 15:44 utc | 9

Reposting what I posted in last thread as new information and new document pics have come to light via Melaleuca’s finding a Chinese Web site with a long article with 38 more pics and a lot of analysis…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 11 2023 13:32 utc | 195
I have copied that article translated to English and all of those pictures along with the original five pictures to a new folder on my Google Drive. The new link is here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Iw78UJipkfRvWEHfE10U4yUnAfR0178V?usp=share_link
That article is very long, there are a lot of pics, and I don’t know that I’m going to bother to try to parse it. I’ll let someone else do that. But for what it’s worth, it’s a mess and I have no idea who the individual is who wrote the article – this “Suyi Control” or what his sources are.
Everyone will have to read the article and pore over the pictures themselves. But if a mere five pictures produced a mess of speculation, I can only imagine what 38 pictures and a huge article will produce here.
If someone wanted this as a distraction, well, mission accomplished!
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 14:09 utc | 206

Also I just used the new Substack Notes feature to post the above link to the Notes community as well as to Sy Hersh.
Also Cryptome has a collection of the pics, but it’s mostly the same ones in my Google Drive with some duplicates.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 15:45 utc | 10

Taking advantage of the Rasputitsa before Orthodox Easter? The season is changing.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2023 15:52 utc | 11

julianmacfarlane | Apr 11 2023 15:34 utc | 8
A big part of Ru airpower now is the addons that turn the FAB range of gravity bombs into precision gliders that can be released 40 to 60 kilometers from the target.
DakotaRog | Apr 11 2023 15:33 utc | 7
The ruble was taken off the gold standard once it had stabilized (somewhere around june 2022) and as far as I know hasn’t been reattached to gold.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 15:56 utc | 12

Big Serge: “The proxy has become a parasite.”
The idea here is that, rather than acting as a large drain on Russian men and material as planned, the VSU or Ukrainian Armed Forces is itself an enormous drain on the NATO alliance. And, while Big Serge does not spell it out, that would include material AND men.
From this point of view, the longer the conflict goes on, the more not only Ukraine is de-Nazified but NATO generally gets de-Nazified.

Posted by: N Hanrahan | Apr 11 2023 16:08 utc | 13

Linked to the initial six classified Docu 6 days ago re AFU counter-offensive forces analysis circa late Feb’23.
Repeatedly advised then Docu authentic.
Advised larger tranche may contain CodeWord material given SK/Iran/PRC/Israel reported summaries …
Latest midsize tranche from Melaleuca confirms what previously advised suspected, the leaks include SCI-CodeWord materiel. Is reported at least 100 Docu, likely much, much, more …
JCS & wider US Intel is severely compromised from Feb’23 possibly as early Jan’23 & they had no idea until it popped up on Russkie Telegram early April. Does not get much worse than this. Snowden didn’t have this level of privileged access …
There is only one level of SCI material graded higher/restricted & that’s direct briefings to the Prez.
The Docu … are Kryptonite … and the implications/consequences of the ‘Leak’/compromise are huge for US Intel.
Out.
PS To all the tumbling in recent trolls & ‘It’s a DisInfo Psy-OP’ variants and the ‘everything, everywhere is lies’, twats. FOAD.

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2023 16:09 utc | 14

@ N Hanrahan | Apr 11 2023 16:08 utc | 13
Well Big Serge is NOT a quick study is he. What a revelation, about six damned months late to the party … pft.
Aberdeen Proving Grounds …

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2023 16:13 utc | 15

Some nazi is being widely quoted on Telegram begging his compatriots not to “build pink castles about Bakhmut.”
I noticed something about Westernaganda on Syria that was also repeated in this current conflict: when the side of good (Syrian Arab Army/Russia) liberates a town, Westernaganda keeps pretending that fighting is going on for days or weeks afterwards, and then quietly memory holes the place; remember Aleppo?
In two months’ time, you can ask any of the blueyellow ragwaggers on Twitter about Artëmovsk, and they’ll blink at you as though they’ve never heard the word “Bakhmut” before.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 11 2023 16:20 utc | 16

Maybe the Russians don’t have the luxury of continuing a long war because of the West’s escalation. Russia knows that soon Western pilots will be flying F-16s into their airspace.
The Russians know the Western time table of coming escalation. Putin knows there is a point that the damage to Russia will become intolerable.
Before that time comes, Russia wants to take and secure all the Donbas. So, they will heat up the conflict in order to make quick advances in the Donbas and surrounding territories.
At the same time Ukraine is anxious to prove more victories to give proof to the West for their continual support which certainly has been wanning lately both worldwide and expecially with the Western populations.
Perhaps Russia will wait for the next Ukrainian large offensive. I think the Russians will be able to effectively destroy this offensive short order. When this happens, there will be little stopping the bear from going to the East bank of the Dnieper River.
At this point Russian has been learning a lot with every battle on the zero lines in Ukraine. Lately, the Russians are using new and more effective tactics. Maybe this is because a lot of their military equipment has been upgraded recently.
Maybe Russia is doing better because after much trial and error the bear has figured out what does and does not work. This does not mean the bear is stupid. It does mean that it had a lot of military growing up to do. And it has done just that in the last year.
Putin’s “Special Military Operation” has accomplished a tremendous improvement within the Russian Forces in the last year. Now the bear will unleash those improvements in many different categories upon the NATO forces in Ukraine.
Putin knows the timeline and is attempting to make sure the Donbas is taken and secure before the West’s escalator of escalation reaches the next level which most likely will be nuclear war.
The bear will launch first to obtain the tremendous advantage that a first strike provides. After this, there will be little resistence left in Ukraine nor in the rest of NATO.
Watch for when Russia takes and secures all of the Donbas.
Watch for Russia warning all NATO nations not to join a combined strike against its territory after the USA is taken down. This Russian warning will be that whomever attacks Russia will join the fate of the USA. Of course these NATO nations will laugh at such warning until they see what the Russians do to the USA.
If you live within the USA or any USA territory, take a long vacation out of these areas as soon as it looks as if the bear is about to take and secure all the Donbas. If your spiritual house in not in order, repent submitting to Jesus Christ as your Lord.
All of us have very little time left before the USA goes down.
The bear is very angry and the West continues to poke the bear. So, don’t think this will end well for the West either economically nor militarily.

Posted by: young | Apr 11 2023 16:21 utc | 17

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 15:56 utc | 12
Spot on. Those big-ass FABs + precision guidance are devastating now that UA doesn’t have enough AD to engage the bombs or the delivery aircraft. I’m guessing they are vulnerable to GNSS jamming but UA must not have enough of that either.

Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 11 2023 16:22 utc | 18

@young 17
There has been no war in history, even one sided ones, in which the “winning” side didn’t have the opportunity to unlearn things taken for granted and learn new military truths. If the opportunity was not taken, the “winning” side usually came off considerably worse in the next conflict.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 11 2023 16:25 utc | 19

The former Ukrainian cities aren’t the immediate goals of Russia. They won’t produce significant war materials until long after the war is over. Most of the civilian populations have already fled. The battles in cities occupied by the Ukrainian military will require most large buildings to be razed and rebuilt later. (Forcing Ukrainian military to use heavy artillery in the cities might make razing and rebuilding the cities easier.)
Securing the roads is more important. Russia has made securing the roads and railroads between cities its priority. For instance, once it had control of the roads around Bakhmut, it didn’t immediately start taking the city because doing that carries a high cost without many benefits. It hasn’t closed the cauldron around the city, either. The Ukrainian military being sent to reenforce the city are walking into a place where they are surrounded with only one escape route that is controlled by Russian artillery fire; they are trapped: surrender or die.
Why would Russia put troops in the precarious line between Bakhmut and the Ukrainian forces built up around Chasiv Yar? They would take fire from both sides. Supplying the troops on that line could only be done from the ends. Two breaks in the line would completely isolate some troops. If the Ukrainian forces abandoned Bakhmut, they would be “mixed” with the Russian troops on that line, which would make using artillery against the Ukrainian forces more difficult.
Russia isn’t closing the cauldrons around several other cities, probably for the same reasons: Avdiivka, Marinka, and Vuhledar. Russia places a high priority on protecting their troops. They don’t have a reason to hurry. The tactics may change somewhat when the transportation becomes easier as the mud dries up and things can be transported over the fields, but the current Russia tactics seem reasonable to me even then.

Posted by: barstool | Apr 11 2023 16:31 utc | 20

Poland has finally publicly stated that it wants to become a financial hub for Ukraine.
Back in October 2022, we described who would benefit most from the Ukrainian crisis, among them Poland, which lobbied in every possible way to cancel the peace agreements and continue the war.
Poland wants to make Ukraine fully controlled and still earn billions for its corporations. Plus, Polish corporations will most likely buy everything in Ukraine for cheap and will be like 400 years ago “panuvats”.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15129
Post from October 2022 referred to above

The war will continue, Zelensky and his patrons in the West are pursuing their own goals. All our sources in expert circles confirm our insider layout that many Western partners have their own interests in the Ukrainian crisis. And they believe win-win.
Let’s try to break them down:
1. The main goal is the collapse of Russia
2. The secondary goal is the weakening of Russia
3. In the event of Russia’s victory in the war, cutting Ukraine according to the Yugoslav scenario, where the Poles will grab western Ukraine painlessly for themselves, perhaps other neighbors will tear something off on the sly for themselves, part of the country will be a “stub of Ukraine”, the rest will be taken by the Russian Federation.
4. The collapse or economic, industrial and financial weakening of the EU, that is, Germany and France, as the main threat to the dominance of the dollar.
5. Strengthening American / British military concerns.
6. Super profits of American and British gas, fuel and energy transnational corporations.
In any of the options, the Poles (British), as the main beneficiaries of the game to the last in the Ukrainian crisis, leave with the maximum profit. Moreover, now they are making a great profit on it, having “cut” the entire Ukrainian business environment, luring them to them, they have also become a logistics hub, harnessed all their structures to work in the Ukrainian crisis and accumulate as a “hub” all the money allocated for Ukraine.
Also a political plus, the EU stopped kicking Poland for its policies, and the Polish government was able to shift the attention of the internal society to the external case. Also, Poland has become an energy and fuel hub in Europe and now holds Germany for “one place” (the explosions of SP-1,2 and the Druzhba oil pipeline were not just profitable for Warsaw).
The purpose of the Poles, the collapse of the EU and the creation of their union, led by Warsaw.
It is also important for the arms lobby to continue the Ukrainian crisis, as billions of orders are pouring into them. Arms Race 2.0 has begun. Some kind of hybrid cold war.
Western politicians benefit from the Ukrainian crisis, since all the hardships within their countries can be attributed to it. Alas, politicians do not care about the lives of ordinary people, they pursue their personal selfish goals.
The biggest grief in this game is assigned to the Ukrainian people, who became a hostage to the game of big players. It is easy to blame Russia, but if you look at the causal relationship, then in fact – this scenario was a “trap” for the Kremlin, and with every step the scriptwriters lured the Russians into this game. Sooner or later this case would come true.
According to our data, it was prepared for 2024, but Putin decided to get involved in the game before he partially confused the cards at the “gaming table”, but took the image of a historical blow to himself, becoming a kind of “aggressor”.
Alas, the war will bring more grief and devastation, and Ukraine will roll back even more in development for the coming decades. Even if the first option succeeds and the Russian Federation loses and collapses, then Ukraine will be patted on the shoulder and they will say the phrase: “the Moor has done his job, the Moor can leave.” Everything in the country will be owned by TNCs (transnational corporations), the whole country will be in loans and debts (on the needle).
In short, economic slavery, power will be established by foreign corporations, as, for example, in Iraq and African countries, and we will become another resource base where people will live on $1 per day).
In any of the options, Ukraine loses, there are no good scenarios for it. For this, I must say thanks to Zelensky, who now gets everything he dreamed of (world fame, photos in glossy magazines, etc.), but he also understands that he is a “pawn in the game” from which there is no way out for him.

https://t.me/legitimniy/13789

Posted by: Down South | Apr 11 2023 16:33 utc | 21

😡😡😡😡😡🤬
The autocephalous “church” of Ukraine officially confesses the Roman Catholic doctrine!
In the churches of the schismatics they placed the new “Symbol of Faith”. In Ukrainian. Note the eighth article. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son!
The point of all this is to prepare most of western Ukraine to fall under Polish control. The “church” of Ukraine will not be orthodox at all. It will become eastern rite Catholic.
DC

https://t.me/DDMultipolar/54291

Posted by: Down South | Apr 11 2023 16:37 utc | 22

The tactics may change somewhat when the transportation becomes easier as the mud dries up
Posted by: barstool | Apr 11 2023 16:31 utc | 20
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The beginning of the mine season? Mines seem to be something that the AFU still has, even if they lose track of them once layed.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 11 2023 16:46 utc | 23

Russia isn’t likely to stop with Donbass. On the day that SMO began, the wicked-opedea showed that half of Ukraine spoke Russian as their first language. They “identify” as Russians. Russia borders on much of Northern Ukraine. They won’t stop until they have everything East of the River. They will also take Odessa and everything with access to the Black Sea.
I expect that Russia will require as a part of any peace negotiation that every region of Ukraine hold a referendum allowing them their UN charter Right to Self-determination.

Posted by: barstool | Apr 11 2023 16:54 utc | 24

”Putin knows there is a point that the damage to Russia will become intolerable.”
Sure, and that point coincides with the point where London and Washington DC become glowing craters.
Russia is in this fight to the end… the end of NATO and America’s pet Nazis.
How many F-16s getting turned into festive fireballs in the night sky do you think it will take before the NAFO-tards start feeling it is intolerable? I know the Pentagon doesn’t want to find out.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 11 2023 16:54 utc | 25

Posted by: young | Apr 11 2023 16:21 utc | 17
——
I’ve been familiar with the “Russian Bear” metaphor most of my life. But, it might be more apropos today than ever.
There is no animal more resourced to take out (sadly) rabid wolves than the Brown Bear. By and large, it is a peaceful animal most often content to survive on bugs, berries, fresh carrion and migrating salmon in season. But, when cornered and attacked … or when assigned by nature to cull the old and weak who are diseased and threaten the well being of all creatures in its ecosystem … it is the fiercest beast alive.
Anglo-Saxon, Straussian Neocons/libs and their impotent vassals are diseased, rabid threats to everyone they encounter. It’s time for the mighty Brown Bear to do its job. Sadly. But necessarily. As an American, I grieve for our future that has been senselessly compromised for the avarice and hubris of an elitist, Globalist Tribe. Cancers need to be completely excised if the body is to live on. So it shall be.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 17:03 utc | 26

Have just read the Big Serge piece. On the coming US/Nato/Nazi offensive he missed the drones.
There was several articles some time back about “Ukraine” developing new drones to use in large numbers for the offensive. I assume they have been designed and built in the US or Europe and may simply have there wings clipped on in Ukraine.
But whatever their origing, US intends to use large numbers in the coming offensive.
I saw a video a few weeks ago of extensive fortifications/defenses being built in Crimea. Russia is taking it seriously and is creating defenses in great depth.
The Russian lancet has proved particularly effective on armor whereas the US switchblade was little better than useless.
US has also had plenty of time to take readings on Russian EW. When the HYMARS were first in Ukraine, many missiles were getting through. Russian AD could not protect the bridges over the Dnieper and elsewhere around the Kherson area.. I believe the Pantsirs have had two software updates and now they pretty much have a 100% kill rate of HYMARS missiles that come within their range.
The drones/loitering munitions the US will use in the coming offensive is the big unknown but Russian MoD is not taking it lightly.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 17:05 utc | 27

re: young | Apr 11 2023 16:21 utc | 17
you wrote “Maybe the Russians don’t have the luxury of continuing a long war because of the West’s escalation. Russia knows that soon Western pilots will be flying F-16s into their airspace.”
No, the West won’t fly F-16s into Russian airspace because Russia will shoot them down moments after they enter Russian airspace, and if that process begins and continues, Russia will hit the bases from where the planes are flying out of.
If there is a full-scale nuclear war, I rather doubt that taking a vacation will allow anyone to escape for long from its consequences.

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 11 2023 17:06 utc | 28

Gonzalo Lira currently live on The Roundtable with Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern.
The Roundtable #51: Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern, Discussing The Leaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRs8pAWIxjk

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 17:08 utc | 29

The leaks were just waiting to come out. They just happened to come out after Finland had joined NATO a few days earlier.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 11 2023 17:19 utc | 30

Tv news seems to be preparing the public for Ukrainian defeat. Slowly the narrative is changing from “Ukraine wins” to “Ukraine needs more bullets” to “Ukraine needs more men”.
Posted by: Passerby | Apr 11 2023 15:30 utc | 5
Where I live in natostan the msm message isn’t different. Same begging, same dreams of some offensive. Explains the anger in this sad boy that cancel culture is not yet available at a press of a button:
James Rubin, the special envoy and coordinator of the US State Department’s Center for Global Engagement – “We wouldn’t want to see Russia Today or [other] Russian media anywhere in the world. We want them shut down”

Posted by: rk | Apr 11 2023 17:21 utc | 31

Outraged | Apr 11 2023 16:09 utc | 14
I haven’t read the leaked docos. Reading through the Big Serge piece, what struck me was that There was exact numbers and position of Russian forces a very vague on the Ukraine forces. That was something that made me think it was a limited hangout.
If what you say about the docs being authentic is correct and I assume it is, that means the US gender bender military is taking all its intel from Ukraine without questioning or verifying it.
I guess I should find out if the force disposition and losses docs were for US only or for sharing with vassals. If was for sharing with allies that would explain the propaganda numbers but if it was for US eyes only…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 17:24 utc | 32

@Young | Apr 11 2023 16:21 utc
> Russia knows that soon Western pilots will be flying F-16s into their airspace.
An F-16, even block 60 has the radar cross section of a bus. (OK, maybe a short bus)
Even an old 30N6 will see it at a range of about 200 nm and kill it. There’s nothing the ’16 driver can do about it. Magic terms like “F-16” don’t change physics no matter how much hollywood trains people.

Posted by: S.O. | Apr 11 2023 17:27 utc | 33

Dakota Rog @ 7
Ruble is pegged at 5000 to a gram of gold. Less than totally formally linked but may as well be. For some months the Central Bank tried to keep ruble at 60 to a dollar. Not worth the trouble. Who cares what the dollar market imagines. Current price of ruble may be calculated from price of gold. Some math to get from dollars to ounce to grams, it is spot on.
At official prices it is very hard for someone with dollars or euros or pounds to locate any gold availalble for sale. If you have rubles or yuan there is plenty of gold. Both currencies are significantly undervalued by markets that are terminally manipulated and never do price discovery.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 11 2023 17:43 utc | 34

People wondering why that fount of disinformation the NYT would publish on the leaked documents – groups of reporters from other venues were on it and the Times was in danger of being scooped and they would have been late to the party. The bottom line rules in this case.
Should Poland’s wet dream come true, and they receive control of western Ukrainian territories, the dream will quickly become a nightmare in my estimation. The Ukrainian nationalist groups will have a new target. The nationalists can live with Russia taking control of eastern Ukraine as it was full of ‘closet Russians’ anyway, but for the Poles to take control of their traditional homeland would be unforgivable. That’s how I see it. Let them try to swallow that poisonous toadstool.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 11 2023 18:01 utc | 35

b supplies a link to the “clobber reports” in his SITREPs but the link always goes “Error 403” on me. I use a VPN. Is that my issue?

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 18:05 utc | 36

SouthFront has an interesting article/video up titled “Ukrainian Border Guard Reveals Secrets Of Ukrainian “Patriots”” – an interview with a Ukrainian border guard who talks about the state of things on the western border. It was first posted a day or two ago.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 11 2023 18:10 utc | 37

Have just been watching the Lira roundtable with McGovern and Johnson.
They have slightly different views on the why of who of the leak but they both believe there is factions trying to prevent a wider war in/around Ukraine. Add that to peace breaking out in the middle east and the sudden flurry of countries doing deals to trade in national currencies , the destruction of the petrodollar via the Gulf Arabs selling oil in other currencies….
The US house of cards is now collapsing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 18:18 utc | 38

@Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 17:08 utc | 29
Ta. D.

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 11 2023 18:24 utc | 39

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 15:45 utc | 10
Thank you for finding & sharing the docs, Richard!

Posted by: Zet | Apr 11 2023 18:34 utc | 40

Western Ukraine provides an energy and influence corridor to the Balkans, castrates Poland and Romania providing a staging area for their demilitarization therefore no NATO rump state. It’s important for Sweden to join NATO like Finland in order for them to pay war reparations(northern Scandinavia) when Russia wins in Ukraine.

Posted by: NewWorldDisorder | Apr 11 2023 18:37 utc | 41

Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 18:18 utc | 38
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“The US House of Cards is now collapsing.”
And not soon enough, however ‘stressful’ for Americans and the collective West, which includes the Land Down-Under.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2023 18:44 utc | 42

@ Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 18:05 utc | 36
Depends on the country you choose – I guess.
In Switzerland for example the page is not restricted.

Posted by: NoName | Apr 11 2023 18:51 utc | 43

South Korea really p1ssed off with US – as noted yesterday – NYT today
Leaked Documents and Accusations of U.S. Spying Spark Outrage in Seoul
The reaction to the leak in South Korea is perhaps the strongest so far as the Biden administration scrambles to contain the damage from apparent spying on allies.
[…] Another document showed senior presidential aides ​in Seoul concerned that President Biden would call Mr. Yoon to pressure him to ship ammunition to Ukraine or that the artillery shells South Korea was selling to the United States might end up in the war-torn country despite export controls. The aides also discussed the possibility of selling 330,000 artillery shells to Poland, with Warsaw “being called the end user” yet sending the ammunition on to Ukraine anyway.
[…] When asked if the conversation captured in the documents was accurate, Kim Tae-hyo, a deputy national security adviser to Mr. Yoon, said “No” to reporters at the airport on Tuesday, according to the national news agency Yonhap. Mr. Kim was departing for Washington to prepare for Mr. Yoon’s summit with Mr. Biden on April 26. [OUCH!]
Mr. Yoon’s office would not comment beyond Mr. Kim’s remark. In the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Poland has emerged as the biggest buyer of South Korean weapons, agreeing to purchase multibillion dollars’ worth of South Korean tanks, howitzers, missiles and aircraft.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/11/world/asia/south-korea-leaked-pentagon-documents.html

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 11 2023 18:53 utc | 44

the pessimist | Apr 11 2023 18:01 utc | 35
There is no nationalism there. They will feel at home if they become part of Poland. Poland likes bandera now. Duda even had clothes in hitler’s style when he met zely last time

Posted by: rk | Apr 11 2023 19:01 utc | 45

For a revolution to take place, it is usually insufficient for “the lower classes not to want” to live in the old way; it is also necessary that “the upper classes should be unable” to live in the old way;

V I Lenin, 1915
Alastair Crooke on Strategic Culture Foundation, April 11, 2023

The consequence to such a moment of epochal ‘in-betweeness’ has been characterised historically by the irruption of disorder, the breakdown of ethical norms, and the loss of a grip on what is real: Black becomes white; right becomes wrong; up becomes down.

We are Closening to a Move Through the Cycle – But First Will Come Disorder

Posted by: António Ferrão | Apr 11 2023 19:03 utc | 46

NoName | Apr 11 2023 18:51 utc | 43
Clarification: hmm, but sometimes the page can not be reached. It then says: the page can temporarily not be reached.
But usually it works…

Posted by: NoName | Apr 11 2023 19:04 utc | 47

@rk | Apr 11 2023 19:01 utc | 45
There seems to be affection because the merger is only theoretical at this point. It will turn out the same as the collaboration with Nazi Germany did. A marriage of convenience soon annulled.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 11 2023 19:12 utc | 48

The Roundtable #51: Larry Johnson and Ray McGovern, Discussing The Leaks.
Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 17:08 utc | 29
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Thank you, Richard! Excellent discussion by Lira with two intel greats — smart, seasoned, honorable men of good humor. Informative and entertaining.
I’m so glad you’re not back.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2023 19:46 utc | 49

b supplies a link to the “clobber reports” in his SITREPs but the link always goes “Error 403” on me. I use a VPN. Is that my issue?
Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 18:05 utc | 36

My country of residence has a 403 block on the RU MOD. On your VPN, use Vietnam as your proxy country, worked for me.

Posted by: Drifter | Apr 11 2023 19:57 utc | 50

Lots of speculation about Poland taking Western Ukraine but this would contradict every the West has said about the sanctity of borders and the sovereignty of nations etc. And Russia wouldn’t allow it to happen because for them Western Ukraine is leverage so why would they give that up? That leverage could be the key to a future uncontested permanent settlement which could be a trade. That trade would be Russia offering Western Ukraine to Poland and the West and officially recognising the new border in exchange for the West officially recognising the new borders of Russia for all eternity thus bringing this conflict to a permanent conclusion accepted by all. A real win win of sorts though probably only grudgingly accepted by the collective West but reality on the ground would ensure that they accept its finality.
Also, I think it’s important that the optics of any settlement must show that both sides have taken something out of all this. Russia can’t be seen as having taken everything against the West losing everything and gaining nothing. Let them proclaim that the Western Alliance has grown bigger and stronger and their unity has prevented Russia from achieving all its aims.

Posted by: John G | Apr 11 2023 19:58 utc | 51

Doug Hillman | Apr 11 2023 18:44 utc | 42
Yep. I’m not sure how hard this collapse will hit Australia but, but the average Australian lives in the same world of delusion as the average US citizen AKA anglo supremacy and trades on the US dollar. The five-eyes deal means Australia is totally controlled by US assets.
Russia’s military technical means…. that move into Ukraine – for some time I have been describing it as a catalyst. War as an extension of politics. SMO. It cannot bee separated from the Russia China joint statement early 2022. I have stopped reading or listening to western ex military types who look at the Ukraine operation as some stand alone thing. If Poland officially steps in, sure Russia will rag doll them.
How Australia will fare in the collapse of the US empire? We sailed through the 2008 crisis due to our trade with China. The current government whatever its fault and foibles seems to be trying to repair ties with China. But whatever the conditions are, the collapse of the American empire and anglo supremacy will be a rude slap in the face for most Australians.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 20:01 utc | 52

What is happening in the conflict zone according to the Russian version of events – From the summary of the Ministry of Defense of Russia on April 11, 2023

Posted by: Rob | Apr 11 2023 20:05 utc | 53

In response to
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Also, I think it’s important that the optics of any settlement must show that both sides have taken something out of all this. Russia can’t be seen as having taken everything against the West losing everything and gaining nothing. Let them proclaim that the Western Alliance has grown bigger and stronger and their unity has prevented Russia from achieving all its aims.
Posted by: John G | Apr 11 2023 19:58 utc | 51
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I call BS John. Your optics are over 2K years out of date. Humanity is in a civilization war over public/private finance…try to keep up.
Russia has made it quite clear that its goals include NATO roll back to 1997 incursion lines and that effects Poland……. sovereign or otherwise one of the yipping dogs on leash of empire…which is it? Does it matter where the empire lines overlap the concept of sovereign nations?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2023 20:07 utc | 54

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast at no. 19
“There has been no war in history, even one sided ones, in which the “winning” side didn’t have the opportunity to unlearn things taken for granted and learn new military truths. If the opportunity was not taken, the “winning” side usually came off considerably worse in the next conflict.”
RESPONSE: Biswapriya, very good observation. This is exactly what has been happening to Russia since Februay 24, 2022 when their “Special Military Operation” began.
Russian Forces are a different force to reckon with than they were a year ago. The better Western militaries are fully aware of this and are cautious. The political leaders are not so careful and will lead their militaries to a soon defeat with the bear.
The upcoming defeat will be the end of the West as we know it today. This defeat will mark the beginning of the time referred in the Bible as the “time of Jacob’s trouble”.

Posted by: young | Apr 11 2023 20:07 utc | 55

Posted by: Drifter | Apr 11 2023 19:57 utc | 50
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No, my servers are in the US. Probably some douchebagurey towards them from the Usual Suspects.
Shit is out of control right now.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 20:09 utc | 56

FYI
Judge Napolitano – Judging Freedom
Shifting World Powers & Ukraine Russia War w/ Alastair Crooke

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 11 2023 20:10 utc | 57

Posted by: John G | Apr 11 2023 19:58 utc | 51
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Let’s be honest: Who in their right mind would want to be governed by the Poles? lol
There’s a reason the stupid jokes for DECADES always involved blonde women and Polish men.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 20:11 utc | 58

the pessimist | Apr 11 2023 18:01 utc | 35

Should Poland’s wet dream come true, and they receive control of western Ukrainian territories, the dream will quickly become a nightmare in my estimation. The Ukrainian nationalist groups will have a new target. The nationalists can live with Russia taking control of eastern Ukraine as it was full of ‘closet Russians’ anyway, but for the Poles to take control of their traditional homeland would be unforgivable. That’s how I see it. Let them try to swallow that poisonous toadstool.

Absolutely !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 11 2023 20:13 utc | 59

Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 18:05 utc | 36
I am not able to access Rus MoD website from here in Australia. VPN did not help. Rus MoD telegram is not an issue though It suddenly changed and I found I needed to have a desktop account to view it. A pain. First I had to have a telephone account to get a desktop account.
Set up telegram account on your phone and download the TG desktop app. To kick the desktop off you put in your phone number and a code will be sent to the telegram phone app which you then type into the box on the desktop app.
After writing all that I went to Ru MoD telegram to get their addy and I no longer have to open it in telegram https://t.me/s/mod_russia
EN version though still has to be opened in the TG app it seems.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 20:18 utc | 60

Posted by: Drake Schroeder at 26
“I’ve been familiar with the “Russian Bear” metaphor most of my life. But, it might be more apropos today than ever.
There is no animal more resourced to take out (sadly) rabid wolves than the Brown Bear. By and large, it is a peaceful animal most often content to survive on bugs, berries, fresh carrion and migrating salmon in season. But, when cornered and attacked … or when assigned by nature to cull the old and weak who are diseased and threaten the well being of all creatures in its ecosystem … it is the fiercest beast alive.
Anglo-Saxon, Straussian Neocons/libs and their impotent vassals are diseased, rabid threats to everyone they encounter. It’s time for the mighty Brown Bear to do its job. Sadly. But necessarily. As an American, I grieve for our future that has been senselessly compromised for the avarice and hubris of an elitist, Globalist Tribe. Cancers need to be completely excised if the body is to live on. So it shall be.”
RESPONSE: Drake, very well written! Thanks for your insightful input on the nature of the bear. I had to read what you wrote several times and think about it.
The Russian bear has been appointed to take out the diseased wolves of the West. This is outlined by the prophet Daniel in his writtings of Daniel 7. It has been written. Nothing will change what is about to happen.
I grieve also! Yet, I know what is coming and have taken the precaution to get out of the USA. There is no need to attempt to live through what is about to come upon the USA. It’s a whole lot better to go elsewhere in the world especially when you have little ones that depend upon you for their survival.

Posted by: young | Apr 11 2023 20:22 utc | 61

RU MOD clobber report always gets blocked – “403 Forbidden”. Does that happen throughout the US?

Posted by: westly | Apr 11 2023 20:32 utc | 62

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2023 16:09 utc | 14
So, you’re saying all these Russian analysts some of them with military background, Russian journalists some of them also with military background, and bloggers such as Martyanov:
https://smoothiex12 .blogspot.com/2023/04/lol-and-change-of-plans.html?m=1
are twats and stupid?
I’m yet to find a single Russian telegram channel (and I’m subscribed to 50+ of them) that takes anything in this “leaks” under consideration, anything. Not sure where your confidence comes from.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2023 20:37 utc | 63

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2023 20:37 utc | 63
“Counter Offensive”

Posted by: Macpott | Apr 11 2023 21:12 utc | 64

Boo | Apr 11 2023 20:37 utc | 63
I am somewhat uncouth so will refrain a bit. What Russian ex intel sites do you read. Military ex intel/KGB/FSB/VSR? Martyanov has been in soviet staff planning but not intel.
Several very good links to western ex intel have been put up here RHS with the lira round table with Johnson and McGovern and the Judging freedom link with Crooke.
“are twats and stupid?” The Russian TG are focused on a small war and have zero understanding of the larger world ande what Russia is doing in that world. I don’t bother reading them anymore, not because they are twats or stupid. Many Russians are being killed in eastern Ukraine (I don’t bother with the bullshit of Russian speakers). In there position I would most likely be the same.
But we must also look at the Russian proposed mutual security agreements, the Russia China joint statement. The Russian tg’s are more often often than not fixated on a tiny regional war whereas Russia fully understands it must defeat the US or be destroyed.
This is not some poxy proxy conflict. It is a great power war to the death in the nuclear age.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 21:13 utc | 65

The rest of Nato is completely irrelevant, some Nato expansion in Finland or Sweden is utterly irrelevant. Nato as a whole, is to be defeated inside Ukraine. US obviously has no exit ramp – they simply cannot leave. The fate of the euronato is decided in Ukraine.
Either Nato must commit MUCH more stuff or they will get lose. Pre-emptively destroying Ukie-Nato offensive potential goes a long way in destroying Nato, since they can’t change tactics and abandon land.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 11 2023 21:23 utc | 66

@ Boo | Apr 11 2023 20:37 utc | 63
“…anything in this “leaks” under consideration…”
True. I do not think that leaked info is relevant at all.
Firstly, it is a month-old document concerning ever-changing dynamical event. Things change a couple of times a day.
The only thing that is interesting is a way things are presented and how superficially it appears to go in depth, but tells really nothing apart from few pages with troops and weapons numbers which is just remotely interesting. Also inking the tradition and continuity of spying on, so called. ‘allies’.
But we know all that, and it is just for amusing masses and MSM zombies.
How they are going to take Ukrainian defeat and amazing Ukrainian losses is another question.
So there, the sole purpose might be a prep for it.
I read a couple of smart guys analysing it (Simplicius, Schryver, Johnson, Martyanov etc.) and apart from how battalions are organised and how some numbers there do not add up was all I got from there.
It seems that for some people, an excitement is in how mystical and magical those docs are.
For the USA it is a crying narrative ‘someone stole our unobtanium!’, while for RF it is ‘Is there something we do not know? No. Move on.’
Some years ago there was some CBS journo-star woman interviewing Putin on hacking, claiming proof in some secret documents from CIA and Putin just calmly said: ‘Yes, I have seen those, but in there is nowhere the proof that Russia did it. Such things can be altered.’
She asked how did he get to see those documents when such reports are top secret?
And he just lifted eyebrows and smiled. She was obviously briefly embarrassed there.
What is funny to observe is how reality and the true state of the things are now doctored and adopted in the USA and Combined West to fit their current ‘holy cause and a crusade on Crimea’.
It is actually a pretty brave move to be deliberately blind to all the consequences and very bad fall-outs that will certainly follow.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 11 2023 21:26 utc | 67

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 21:13 utc | 65
The usual bunch – Kots, Poddubny, Bezsonov, Zergulio, Olderthanedda (starsheeddi) Ramzai (Shurigin), Medvedev, Readovka, Povernutye na Z voine, Artamonov, the gang around Solovyev(Vitiazeva, etc.), and these are the top ones (Rogers/Pelevin/Dolgareva/Prilepin/Prizrak NovoRusii/etc. as well). Add Gurulev (current MP in Duma), Reshetnikov (ex-general) who was the first guest on Scott Ritter’s show. I’m yet to see anyone of them argue that the leaks are worth chasing. I’ll describe the opinions as hostile or at best indifferent and the usual response is that its nothing that concerns Russia, that it does not contain anything that Russians don’t know anything about it and is rather a “pathetic attempt” (Readovka) to control the narrative even in the Russian news cycle.
In fact, Glen Greenwald just dropped his system update latest on the leaks several hours ago and he’s asking the same question: how are these documents called “leaks” if they don’t divulge anything substantial?
So far, I have not described my position either, just that from reading the Russian tg channels and news sites their synthesis is that there is nothing important in these leaks – concerning Russia and Ukraine, of course, not claiming things about South Korea here.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2023 21:28 utc | 68

@young | Apr 11 2023 16:21 utc | 17
Your antipsychotic medication is in urgent need of titrating.

Posted by: Hermit | Apr 11 2023 21:30 utc | 69

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 20:01 utc | 52
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Peter, you Aussies are great warriors but it is beyond stupid to accept submarines from any American bribe/extortion. Hey, the Great White Sharks are gonna still be there … OH???? Chinese are gonna be there too. Forever! It’s about the Americans turning one more “ally” into their destructive provocation of China? Yep. That’s what it IS.
Australian citizenry, and their economic flourish and security, rely on an honest, trustful relationship with … CHINA. They’re the manufacturing and finance behemoth in your Hemisphere, and they aren’t interested in sending Warships to your shores. They want to reel you in economically and into geographical proximity. True that! China wants the best terms on EVERYONE in their Hemisphere .. but Toward what end? To do deal with the cultural rot you’re importing from the United States??? To deal with your Gen Z’s who aren’t sure who is a boy or girl? No! They don’t want your culture, they want your economic preference and trust.
Translated Ji Xinping talking to beta-boi Albanese: “Ah yes, yes … Steve Irwin … yes … stepped on bad fish and died, correct? Ha Ha. You go now!”
You Aussies NEED to disconnect from this Straussian Jew DISASTER doing damage in the USA or you’re sinking too. China doesn’t want to dominate you, they want to do business with you – yeah, knowing they’re in the catbird seat – in a World where dangerous shithead, violent NeoLiberal Jews are in ATTACK MODE! Who??? Well, like SOROS, Kagan, Yellen, Sients, Klain, Blinken, Schwab, Sullivan, Matheney, Nuland, Haines, Power, Burns, Sherman, Garland, Myorkis, Abrams, Leo, Bolton, Bloomberg, Kristol, super-ugly kid Soros, Schwarzman, Malpass, Fink, Solomon, Schwartz (Loral), Schumer, Zuckerberg, Brin, Sulzberger, Zucker, Rucker, Rosenbaum, Vindman, Rubenstein, Albright, Berger, Perle, Adelson, Wolfowitz, Krauthamer, Podhoretz, Boot, Frum, Levin, Brooks and most all of the WSJ, WT and NYT. All the Plaintiff Bar, all the Lincoln Project. They want to destroy … kill if needed … anyone that isn’t … them. Easter is a bad time for them. They gave up and sacrificed Jesus the Savior. The “good times” for them are bad times for the World.
Sorry, b. This isn’t “anti-Semitism”. Most of these people have ZERO time at the Temple. This is what we are facing. This is a War of entrenched secular Jews vs. the World. It is. In my opinion, lol.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 21:31 utc | 70

@Down South
“The autocephalous “church” of Ukraine officially confesses the Roman Catholic doctrine!”
Thanks for the link. Does that mean it confesses the Nicene creed? And has the Vatican expressed a view?

Posted by: begob | Apr 11 2023 21:48 utc | 71

Urgh you antisemitic pervert.

Posted by: Squeeth | Apr 11 2023 21:51 utc | 72

Drake Schroeder | Apr 11 2023 21:31 utc | 70
Thinking is the same throughout the western world. -US and its vassal states.
China, spheres of influence. That is a bullshit term in what is emerging as the multi-polar world. A much better term is spheres of interest. For us here in Australia, our sphere of interest is in the countries just to the north of us where the bulk of our trade is conducted.
For Europe, Ukraine their sphere of interest is Russia with whom they could trade on good trade terms that allowed them to be financially viable.
US neo-con terms are spheres of influence. Multipolar world terms are spheres of interest.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 21:52 utc | 73

Gonzalo’s roundtables on youtube get better and better, today’s with two ex spooks was enormously entertaining. I too believe the leaks were one faction vs another.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 11 2023 21:53 utc | 74

Boo | Apr 11 2023 21:28 utc | 68
Those Russian TG channels are passionate and I fully understand and support their motives but I no longer bother to read them.
The big picture. I gravitate towards those that commentate on the big picture.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 21:59 utc | 75

The current online available docus of fighting in the Artemovsk (Bakhmut) & Advievka regions is possibly only as a proclaiming encircled areas that are a fihthing men-against men, without any sense or success on either side, today.
If UKR soldiers are slaughtered/burned by-life in Artemovsk (Bakhmut), that’s not a real strategical access by RF, as shown by some currently up-todate vids.
That’s not celebrating an Easter.
Once more – guys – have a more focused view nowadays to the Asian region (China, Japan, North/South-Korea and TAIWAN ‘issues’.
There remain the hottest stuff, as can imagine just today.
UKR war (Artemovsk (Bakhmut)) fights meat-grinder won’t repeat on Asian conflicts !
ASIAN conflicts will only be “resolved” by a NAVY and/or strong submarine MISSILE stries war – against USA & Australia (UK may be very happy if not stroken at London).
As previously mentioned, The Wagners should search for “another game” to play by means of their own $$-Incomings, esp. once-more in Africa/Syria or better directly involved near USA-Borders, like on Mexico, Cuba, etc. !).

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 21:59 utc | 76

Oh | Apr 11 2023 21:53 utc | 74 “entertaining”
I would use thew word ‘informative’.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 22:01 utc | 77

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2023 21:28 utc | 68
I haven’t carefully read any of these docs, but so far I don’t see how they change anything with regard to the big picture. I’m still waiting around for the US response to losing yet another proxy war, will it be a humiliating retreat? armageddon? the us government will voluntarily depose itself and we can elect somebody that represents us? I’m sure it won’t be the last option.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 22:07 utc | 78

Boo | Apr 11 2023 21:28 utc | 68
As Big Serge wrote, there is no actionable intel in the leaks. As for military targeting and so forth.
As Ray McGovern states, it was most likely put out to help prevent a wider war.
I don’t demean the Russians with tg channels but it really is a little pond view vs big pond view. They are frogs in a little puddle. Putin has to deal with the world. McGovern, Johnson, Crooke – they also have that world view.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 22:17 utc | 79

Just an FYI for everyone posting the leaked docs.
Distributing US classied material is highly, highly illegal. Its the kind of thing that can get this site in trouble – like the kind of trouble that could get the site owner 10 years in prison kind of trouble.

Posted by: James Hendrickson | Apr 11 2023 22:22 utc | 80

at naked capitalism the water cooler had a brief discussion about the us’ $45 billion in cash to ukraine is about spent and congress needs to get together for more. the split between parties and the upcoming 2024 elections are in play.
the leaks in a rational world, not the extant usa, would call into question more free $$ for kiev!
and the usa does not seem to think their ‘death by a thousand cuts’ would not spur russia’s version of mutual assured destruction….
time us progressives get off the neocon/neolib bandwagon!

Posted by: paddy | Apr 11 2023 22:36 utc | 81

pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 22:07 utc | 78 “elect”
I find it amazing how the word democracy keeps people walking up the ramp like lambs following each other into the slaughter house. If you want democracy in the west, in the US, you will need a gun to fight for it. The people that think voting will change anything here in the west especially in America. Total suckers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 22:42 utc | 82

Posted by: James Hendrickson | Apr 11 2023 22:22 utc | 80
Once it’s in the public domain there’s little they can do. Otherwise anyone who ever looked at or shared a Wikileaks link would be in potential trouble.
Re: the 403/503 error people are getting from the Russian clobber list – It’s the Russians blocking access from certain countries, not the other way around. I’m reasonably certain that it’s their web server returning that error code, not your ISP. Probably a defense against potential DDOS and other attacks.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 11 2023 22:44 utc | 83

I’m running off topic. This thread is about ukroid carcasses.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 22:45 utc | 84

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 22:42 utc | 82
with the current us government out of the way, it’s possible, but not without that step. it’s rotten to the core.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 22:46 utc | 85

“If you live within the USA or any USA territory, take a long vacation out of these areas as soon as it looks as if the bear is about to take and secure all the Donbas. If your spiritual house in not in order, repent submitting to Jesus Christ as your Lord.
All of us have very little time left before the USA goes down.”
The USA is not “going down”, at least not militarily. There is no winning a nuclear exchange…none. If USA attacks Russia with nuclear weapons, USA and Russia will be glass parking lots. If Russia attacks USA with nukes, Russia and USA will both be glass parking lots.
You can mix and match any way you like, but a nuclear exchange by one or the other will lead to the other also be turned into a glass parking lot.

Posted by: Sundance | Apr 11 2023 22:50 utc | 86

with the current us government out of the way, it’s possible, but not without that step. it’s rotten to the core.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 22:46 utc | 85
You nailed it but US deep state cannot be removed by voting. As US collapses it will go through much turbulence. A polite term for death and destruction. I am not a fortune teller, I simply read history.
The Russian move into Ukraine has brought all this stuff to the fore. A well planned, well thought out move that has quickly moved to a point where a child says “The emporer is naked”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 23:01 utc | 87

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 22:07 utc | 78
Ref: Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2023 21:28 utc | 68

.. I haven’t carefully read any of these docs, but so far I don’t see how they change anything with regard to the big picture. I’m still waiting around for the US response to losing yet another proxy war, will it be a humiliating retreat? armageddon? the us government will voluntarily depose itself and we can elect somebody that represents us? I’m sure it won’t be the last option. ..

A good question: What is the “big picture” ?
To ‘still waiting around for the US response’, as you say, is not a good solution to plan another strategy, but what may “we” (as Yours capable) do to avoid ‘another proxy war’?
“We” can’t do anything not yet just now – except hiring some Snipers sponsored on our own money – to avoid a further up-rising “Proxy” or “Direct” war between US/UK MIC deep state and the RoW, powered by the upper guys/women trained by the 5-Pentagon esoteric power a la Nuland and Hillary C. (“We came, we saw, He died”), Note those expressions by USA deep state fanatic persons, that would help to recognise and to fight on them.
Happy Easter.

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 11 2023 23:04 utc | 88

LightYearsFromHome @57–
Thanks for linking the rather important Crooke video. Crooke’s despair over Europe IMO is quite genuine. Judge Napolitano says the leaker’s a hero undeserving of any punishment given the truths that needed to be revealed. It’s that last bit that’s so important as it does seem the parallel I made on the other thread of this leak to the Pentagon Papers is correct. The Judge makes the point that “American boys are shooting at Russian boys without any Congressional approval” whatsoever which has the potential to lead to disaster. The Judge blames the current crisis on Biden, but there’s far more blame to go around that goes back many more years. So, what we’re really seeing is those who were gung-ho about the Anti-Communist Crusade finally getting their opportunity to wage war on Russia even though it’s no longer Communist. In Fact, this is enforcement of the Wolfowitz Doctrine and GHW Bush’s New World Order, although my intent here isn’t to absolve Biden as he’s up to his neck in this too.
The Judge hopes to have Alastair return to the program next week. Crooke’s latest at SCF was linked earlier; I want to point to Declan Hayes’s item for today where he writes as a hawk, “Gerasimov’s Call”:
“Though Russian general Valery Gerasimov has some very hard and immediate choices to make, this is what he has been training for his entire life. First off, Gerasimov must finish the Ukrainian war on Russia’s terms and then he must turn his attention to Finland, as well as to the NATO fifth columnists operating throughout Russia itself. Then there are also the pimple Baltic states, Poland and similar nuisances to deal with in the short, medium and longer terms.”
I know Hayes has a big ax to grind with UK and NATO, but Russia’s demographic issue is a big deal and the further wastage of good young men on tasks that aren’t existential won’t be done.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 23:05 utc | 89

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 23:01 utc | 87
well, i didn’t mention anything about removing it by voting. I favor general strikes, I figure as the country collapses we will eventually reach that point, but I’m not optimistic.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2023 23:05 utc | 90

@ outraged 14
Only too happy to FOAD if the CIA has been compromised. Collapse of the main mast might be a sign of rats leaving the ship.
The level of lies around this war has finally come back to bite them.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 11 2023 23:06 utc | 91

the pessimist | 35

Should Poland’s wet dream come true… the dream will quickly become a nightmare in my estimation. The Ukrainian nationalist groups will have a new target…

Indeed. Think of the Poles reclaiming the property of their ancestors, and rightfully so. Entire city districts to be vacated in compliance with the legitimate demands of their heirs, real and fake. Ukrainian nationalism with its historical enemies: Poles, Jews, and Russians. Its situation has hardly been more dramatic: Russian meat grinders in the east, Polish entrapments in the west, Jews on top in the center… Oh, irony!

Posted by: Nomad | Apr 11 2023 23:07 utc | 92

Sundance | Apr 11 2023 22:50 utc | 86 “If your spiritual house in not in order, repent submitting to Jesus Christ as your Lord.”
Jesus F Christ. So many people so scared of death.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 23:13 utc | 93

@ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2023 17:08 utc | 29
Fascinating interview. Thanks. I am happy to see that older CIA analysts agree that the top echelon at the White House is basically a bunch of stupid ignorants.

Posted by: Richard L | Apr 11 2023 23:14 utc | 94

karlof1 | Apr 11 2023 23:05 utc | 89
Crooke. I find these interviews/round tables far more informative than than the those as individuals writing at a blog or putting up a video presentation. Very much off the cuff, speaking their thoughts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 23:21 utc | 95

@ Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 17:24 utc | 32
See reply to Melaleuca in previous Sitrep thread.
@ Boo | Apr 11 2023 20:37 utc | 63
Do not strawman me. Your repeated posts & ‘take’ over previous week are more than obvious … Twats & stupid. WTF would you or partisan bloggers know, 50+ or otherwise … Russian officials have their own agenda, and they are in lockstep discipline, ’cause, existential kinetic War.
Pathetic attempt to control the narrative ? Yep, you curiously keep pushing that. LOL.
There is a larger picture, Boo-hoo, in this case internal to US/NATO/5-Eyes Mil/Intel/Political alliances, co-operation, trust, cohesion & diverging interests.
@ whirlX | Apr 11 2023 21:26 utc | 67
Try January. Suggest bothering to review the larger cache of Docu ?
@ Giyane | Apr 11 2023 23:06 utc | 91
The compromise is multi-agency & inter-allied up to the JCS. There is an even larger cache & almost certain more Docu to be discovered/further leaked. And the leaker/s ? Re rats, yup, See reply to Melaleuca in previous Sitrep thread. CIA is always referenced, yet does only modest collection/analysis, their priority/focus on covert OPs & Actions, off books black ops, etc.

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 11 2023 23:22 utc | 96

@ Hermit | Apr 11 2023 21:30 utc | 69
Yes. But do keep in mind that this user bases his geopolitical analyses on his interpretation of the Book of Daniel; it’s just that he’s finally grown clever enough to realize he shouldn’t, umm, “divulge his source.”
BTW I always look forward to your comments.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 11 2023 23:23 utc | 97

Don’t know if anyone else has posted this interview between Judge Napolitano and Tony Schaffer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmc_Of3c-8
He strongly suspects this is a Nuland clan leak to try to get more support for Ukraine, by changing the narrative from they’re winning, to freedom’s on the line.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 11 2023 23:36 utc | 98

Outraged | Apr 11 2023 23:22 utc | 96 “See reply to Melaleuca in previous Sitrep thread.”
A few links would be good. My gut ceased functioning over a decade ago. Now I drink copious quantities of whisky.
I haven’t been following comments here for last few months as I was getting too angry. Scrolling though the comments now, the trolls and fuckwits are gone.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2023 23:36 utc | 99

I have seen a couple reports that the Bio labs have been set up again somewhere in Ukraine. This quote is from RT today:

“The US is using Ukraine to manufacture components for biological weapons, the commander of Russia’s Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Defense Forces briefed the State Duma on Tuesday. Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov says the Russian military found ample evidence of this in Donetsk, Lugansk and Kherson.”

I think it is obvious where the next Kinzhal missile strikes will be.

Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Apr 11 2023 23:39 utc | 100

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