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April 9, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-86

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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Anybody else think that the US “Leaks” on the invasion plans etc smack of getting your excuses in early?
The national equivalent of a soldier shooting himself in the foot so he won’t be sent to the front.

Posted by: Bilejones | Apr 9 2023 13:05 utc | 1

Bilejones@1…1500lb glide bombs be like that.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 9 2023 13:12 utc | 2

Bilejones
The attempts to scrub the data from the internet lead me to 2 conclusions
1. The intelligence services are utterly inept, and don’t know what the Streisand effect is
2. The intelligence services are utterly inept, and are attempting to draw attention to a disinformation attempt

Posted by: Wazdaka | Apr 9 2023 13:14 utc | 3

Continued from the other thread but also a consistent discussion about the US playing a disinformation game and that it really has huge stocks of everything with capability to make more.
Ain’t no way. The whole country is dysfunctional in every way. There’s no evidence that DoD or the MIC is an exception to that rule. It might be one of the worst sectors since it financialized fully and has no checks on stupid behavior. It thought conventional war was over. Tried to close the only tank plant and there aren’t any super secret high explosive factories. It built convoluted supply chains and JIT practices because that’s what the Harvard MBAs say you have to do to maximize profit. And there’s the rub. The MIC and its appendage at DoD is built for share prices and profit, not national defense.
Giving the US government too much credit against all available evidence is just weird.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 9 2023 13:45 utc | 4

Posted by: Bilejones | Apr 9 2023 13:05 utc | 1
Look at their disingenuous attempts to blame the previous administration for the Afghanistan debacle, as a roadmap for their approach to the forthcoming collapse in Ukraine. The Ukrainians will be blamed for not giving an accurate intelligence picture and launching offensives that NATO had advised against. The black market trade in sophisticated weapons will be suddenly ‘discovered’ as a reason for failure and they’ll obviously try to blame the Trump administration for anything else!

Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2023 13:54 utc | 5

Posted by: Bilejones | Apr 9 2023 13:05 utc | 1
In November 2022 Von Der Leyen said:
“It is estimated that 20,000 civilians and more than 100,000 Ukrainian military officers have been killed so far”
Four months later, the leaked documents state Ukrainian military dead are 61,000 to 71,500.
The number of Ukrainian dead decreases over time? Color me sceptic.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 9 2023 13:56 utc | 6

If it’s intentionally dispersed misinformation, who is it meant to misinform?

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 9 2023 13:58 utc | 7

Lex@4…for the US to speed up munition procurement, as in WW2, it would require a Declaration of War to engage the might of the private sector. Russia will never declare war on any NATO affiliate. Should they, NATO, choose to declare war on Russia…….good luck with that.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 9 2023 14:01 utc | 8

@Bilejones | Apr 9 2023 13:05 utc | 1
If there is any realism left, you may have a point. Only time will tell. I suspect “USkraine” is sufficiently trapped by own propaganda that there is no escape.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 14:05 utc | 9

I believe part of the US plan was to have the Russians occupy areas of Ukraine and suffer US supported insurgencies, but:

❗️🇷🇺 One of the activists reported about the presence of a pro-Russian active underground in Kherson temporarily occupied by the Ukrainian Nazis

https://t.me/ZandVchannel/59658

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 14:13 utc | 10

Just saw the dead tree NYT. The column 1 page 1 story (I’m sure as heck not doing more than reading a moment from the newsstand) is about how the leaks show that US has deeply penetrated and compromised Russian intelligence.
They are so hypnotized that Washington could be burnt to the ground, they would insist it was a victory. Oh, Paris is burning. Showed some acquaintances a photo gallery of Paris and they were completely sure this was isolated and minimal. They would have heard of it.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 9 2023 14:14 utc | 11

Bilejones…it makes sense to me that this leak was approved and the information is real (setting aside the casualty numbers, which are garbage) and is being done too lay the groundwork to throw the Kiev regime under the bus once it becomes impossible to gaslight the public any longer about the dire position of Ukraine forces. It’ll be our way of saying, “hey, look, we tried everything to help them but…”.
Lex…I agree, there are no big surprises or wunderwaffen on the way that will turn the tide of the conflict. And yes, the country (US) seems to be coming apart at the seams.
Milites…the black market in weapons is the enormous chicken waiting to come home to roost…huge blowback potential. Rank stupidity.

Posted by: KMRIA | Apr 9 2023 14:23 utc | 12

Part 1
What is wrong with the “secret plan” of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: analysis of the military chronicle
On April 6, photographs of a document detailing the planned Ukrainian offensive emerged. The “leakage” of documents coincided with news that NATO’s Defender 2023 exercise, scheduled for late April, could become a front for an operation to supply and support Ukrainian units. However, a closer look at the document raises doubts about its authenticity.
When did he appear?
Allegedly secret plans to support the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine hit the Internet the day before the statement by US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken about the start of an imminent offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The US Secretary of State said the offensive would begin “within a few weeks.”
What information does it contain?
Leakage of documents of this kind has never occurred since the very beginning of the NWO in Ukraine. It is noteworthy that right now, the published plans included not only data with a schedule for supplying Ukrainian units with NATO weapons and ammunition, but also information about the structure of brigades and battalions allegedly prepared for the offensive.
The document, dated March 1, contains information that for the offensive, the brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine need 253 tanks, more than 380 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 480 vehicles, 147 artillery pieces and 571 HMMWV armored vehicles.
What data is most questionable?
The probable location of Russian units on the map of hostilities (they are indicated in red) is presumably collected from open sources. Several pro-Ukrainian resources for tracking hostilities at once contain almost identical information.
Also, in the “secret plans” that got into the Internet, the ratio of killed and wounded of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the moment was changed. At first, the losses of the Ukrainian side were underestimated and were estimated at about 16.5-17 thousand people. Then (probably for realism) they increased by almost five times – up to 65-70 thousand people. At the same time, the allegedly known losses of the RF Armed Forces in equipment coincide with the data published by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
What else is wrong with the published offensive plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
The frank falsification of data on the readiness of the APU units is striking. The document states that out of nine brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine allegedly trained by March 31 and April 30 according to US and NATO standards, five formations have a zero level of training: these are the 82nd airborne brigade, the 32nd, 117th and 118th territorial defense brigades, as well as 21 I am a separate mechanized brigade.
Even if only two or three companies were trained in these brigades, and the training itself was not completed, there can be no zero level of training. At the same time, the highest percentage of unit readiness was recorded only in the 47th mechanized brigade (40%) and the 46th air assault brigade (60%) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
What is the result?
Also in the offensive plan, an irrelevant amount of military equipment is mentioned.
For example, out of 109 M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles sent by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for some reason only 99 participate in the offensive. Moreover, the vehicles are not distributed among brigades and are enrolled in only one formation – the 47th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not have heavy tanks.
Instead of the Soviet T-72 or T-64BV, this brigade has only Slovak T-55S with 105 mm guns, which are difficult to use in a large-scale offensive.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/40799

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:24 utc | 13

What is wrong with the “secret plan” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (part 2): analysis of the military chronicle
In the first part of a large analysis of allegedly secret documents, we noted that the authenticity of the data is highly questionable. In the second part of the oddities with the origin of information turned out to be even more.
What information is published?
The second part of the document examines the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to counter the activity of Russian aviation and cruise missile strikes, as well as the supply of Ukrainian army units with the necessary ammunition for combat operations.
True, on several pages the phrases top secret , hinting at the closed nature of the document, are adjacent to the phrases Based on known contributions, training pathways and projections . This means that the “secret plan” was written on the basis of known data, and not intelligence, which automatically casts doubt on its validity.
What data is most questionable?
According to the report, the SA-10 (S-300) and SA-11 (Buk) systems make up 89% of Ukraine’s air defense. It also contains data that the Ukrainian air defense forces used up the ammunition for the Buk air defense missile systems by March 31, 2023, and the entire ammunition for the S-300 missiles will be used up by the beginning of May this year. At the same time, there is no real assessment of the stocks of missiles for these complexes in the document, and all proposals for supporting the Armed Forces of Ukraine boil down to the need to “re-equip” the Ukrainian air defense forces with such missiles. There is no data on where such missiles will be taken from. The plan also reports the exhaustion of the stock of missiles for the IRIS-T SL and NASAMS air defense systems. The missiles for these complexes were supposed to end at the Ukrainian Armed Forces in February and April 2023, respectively. This might look like the truth, if not for one but.
In some lines of documents, the name of the NASAMS air defense system is misspelled, without the last letter – NASAM, which is unacceptable in documents of this level. Briefings with sensitive data are always checked before publication.
There is another oddity as well. In official NATO documents, the weapons of the USSR / RF are indicated in the NATO codification. There is no uniformity in style in the leaked documents – the text contains a mixture of official code designations and transliteration of names from Russian into English – S-300 / OSA, etc. In addition to spelling errors, there are other inaccuracies.
On the combat duty map of NASAMS complexes in Ukraine, 49 points are indicated where these air defense systems are located. However, in reality, Kyiv uses only two air defense systems of this type. Eight more NASAMS kits are included in the USAI packages: they are ordered from industry, but have not yet been delivered to the customer. It is physically impossible to place NASAMS at 49 points in such conditions.
What else is wrong?
There are inaccuracies in the published structure of the ground forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On numerous videos, training on German Leopard 2 tanks was carried out by tankers from the 4th brigade. However, the leaked documents indicate that the German tanks went to the 33rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This unit was disbanded in 2016 and then re-formed as a reserve. For the offensive, it would be more logical to train already experienced tankers, and not to give scarce equipment to the reserve.
What is the result?
When drawing up such a plan, the command of the US Army in Europe (EUCOM) should not have assumed and taken data from open sources, but should know exactly how many weapons, equipment and people the Armed Forces of Ukraine have.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41086

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:25 utc | 14

Am I the only one finding it utterly bizarre that Western intelligence would believe for a second that 97% of the Russian army is currently deployed and/or dedicated to Ukraine?… The statement, which reinforces Ben Wallace’s February remark, is beyond absurd. Is this pure incompetence, which I seriously doubt, the continuation of a psyop operation to discredit the Russian army?.. I am perplex I reckon….

Posted by: Ajax | Apr 9 2023 14:30 utc | 15

Continued Part 2

When creating this allegedly secret document, the authors did not include in it such protected topics as the number of HIMARS MLRS and other high-precision weapons deployed in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which suggests the involvement of Ukrainian analysts in the work, who are forbidden to write on such topics. In a genuine briefing created by the US military “for their own”, all the necessary data would be indicated.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41087

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:38 utc | 16

Our source in the OP said that Zaluzhny is proposing to launch a double counteroffensive in the spring to stretch out the forces of the Russian army.
One grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should advance in the South, and the second should organize an additional strike in the direction of Severodonetsk in order to capture Svatovo and Kremennaya, creating pressure on Lugansk.
The US/Pentagon, on the contrary, insists on the need for a concentrated strike in the Zaporozhye direction in order to cut the Russian grouping and force it to retreat to the Crimea.

https://t.me/resident_ua/16103

Our source in the OP said that Zaluzhny is considering the scenario of a large-scale counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on 3 sectors of the front, which will allow the Ukrainian army to find weaknesses in the enemy’s defense. Now there are three priority areas:
Svatovskoe/Bakhmutovskoe/Melitopolskoe.
The General Staff is working on several diversionary strikes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the territory of Russia at the time of the counteroffensive in order to cause panic in the ranks of the enemy.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17224

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:42 utc | 17

@ Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:25 utc | 14

There is an ancient dictum in cartography that “when the terrain differs from the map, follow the terrain”.
The minecraft leak tells us more about the cartographers than it does about the cartography.
The leak fits perfectly into a mosaic of inadequacy that has been benchmarked by the provable situation on the ground.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2023 14:43 utc | 18

In respect of the recent ‘leaks’.
As they say, nothing happens in politics by accident. It didn’t smell right from day 1.

Posted by: Ken Tucky | Apr 9 2023 14:49 utc | 19

Has anyone seen any specific information on the supposed “100 other leaked documents” unrelated to Ukraine? I’ve seen only references to their existence but nothing specific on the content – just some very general mention of their subject matter.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 9 2023 14:53 utc | 20

Is there any chance someone simple asked AI what a “leak” about the war would look like, and the result is what we see?

Posted by: Pete | Apr 9 2023 15:00 utc | 21

@ Pete | Apr 9 2023 15:00 utc | 21

Generative AI is backwards looking. It formulates responses based upon training inputs of things that have already occurred and that have been categorized by human trainers.
As such it is particularly useless for predicting new events.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2023 15:08 utc | 22

As Konami noted §307, #84), the American Mafia is sparing no effort propagandizing the proles of European nations – because they, laughingly, still have elections! Tee-hee! We´ll soon fix that.
I´ll give Europe a couple of years at most before it and its cultures and societies are submerged under some such mercantile corporations.

Posted by: John Marks | Apr 9 2023 15:09 utc | 23

@21
good question. And what can we really get to know from behind a computer screen? There is reality enough in the pictures of dead soldiers and burned buildings, but “reality” in all those documents? International politics have become such an entangled mess that nobody finds the exit in case of fire anymore. EG, can anyone still understand the situation in northern Syria? Even serious people (I don’t mean the average US officials who mix up Syria with Sri Lanka or Syracuse) get bewildered. But what strikes me: Russia always remains cool and never shows signs of panic, while NATO is whimpering like a bully driven into a corner.

Posted by: Anthony | Apr 9 2023 15:23 utc | 24

reply to 4
We may need reminders about how truly chaotic US intelligence is. Such as when 6 reports on Afghanistan made no prediction about collapse as they left (WSJ). Or 9/11. Or the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe. Or as in recent headlines about being blindsided by China on Iran and the Saudis. Or headlines about Russia paying the Taliban to kill Americans (Pentagon denied this). Or all of the nonsense about Trump. Or the abject failure of sanctions.
Literally, no one is in charge (including Biden). Congress seems to try to trigger wars weekly (Iran, China, Russia, Syria and whatever they’re doing in Africa).
I ask myself, “Could they really be that stupid or deluded?”. Incredibly, the answer seems to be yes.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 9 2023 15:28 utc | 25

The leak is there to hide Russian successes in their Special Military Operation which is to liberate Ukraine from Fascism and is certainly not a war of conquest initiated because Ukraine has no right to exist as a country independent of Russia.
Once they are defeated in this (definitely not a war and don’t dare call it one) they will realize the advantages of being part of the the Greater Russian Empire and join voluntarily without any coercion.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Apr 9 2023 15:31 utc | 26

What is wrong with the “Secret plan” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (part 2): ​​analysis of the military chronicle
In the first part of a major analysis of supposedly secret documents, we found that the authenticity of the data is highly questionable. In the second part, the oddities with the origin of the information turned out even more.
What information is published?
The second part of the document examines the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to counter the activity of Russian air and cruise missile attacks, as well as the supply of Ukrainian army units with ammunition necessary for combat operations.
It is true that the top secret sentences, which indicate the closed nature of the document, appear on several pages alongside the sentences Based on known contributions, training paths and projections. This means that the “secret plan” was written based on known data and not intelligence, which automatically raises doubts about its validity.
Which dates are the most questionable?
According to the report, the SA-10 (S-300) and SA-11 (Buk) systems make up 89% of Ukraine’s air defenses. It also contains data that the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces used up the ammunition for the Buk air defense missile systems by March 31, 2023, and all the ammunition for the S-300 missiles will be used up by the beginning of May this year. At the same time, the document does not contain a real assessment of missile stocks for these complexes, and all proposals to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine boil down to the need to “re-equip” the Ukrainian Air Defense Forces with them. rockets. There is no data on where such missiles are taken from. The plan also reports on the depletion of the stockpile of missiles for the IRIS-T SL and NASAMS air defense systems. The missiles for these complexes should end up with the Armed Forces of Ukraine in February and April 2023, respectively. That might seem like the truth, if not for one, but.
In some lines of the document, the name of the NASAMS air defense system is misspelled without the last letter – NASAM, which is unacceptable in documents of this level. Briefings with sensitive data are always checked before publication.
There is one more oddity. In official NATO documents, the weapons of the USSR / RF are indicated in the NATO codification. There is no stylistic uniformity in the leaked documents – the text contains a mixture of official code designations and transliterations of names from Russian into English – S-300 / OSA, etc. In addition to spelling errors, there are other inaccuracies.
On the combat mission map of the NASAMS complexes in Ukraine, 49 points are indicated where these air defense systems are located. However, in reality, Kiev uses only two air defense systems of this type. Eight other NASAMS kits are included in the USAI packages: they have been ordered from the industry but have not yet been delivered to the customer. It is physically impossible to place NASAMS at 49 points under such conditions.
What else is wrong?
There are inaccuracies in the published structure of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. On numerous videos, training on German Leopard 2 tanks was carried out by tankers from the 4th brigade. However, the leaked documents indicate that the German tanks went to the 33rd Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This unit was disbanded in 2016 and then re-formed as a reserve. For the offensive, it would be more logical to train already experienced tankers and not give scarce equipment to the reserve.
What’s the score?
When drawing up such a plan, the Command of the US Army in Europe (EUCOM) should not have assumed and taken data from open sources, but should have known exactly how many weapons, equipment and people the Armed Forces of Ukraine have.
When preparing this supposedly secret document, the authors did not include protected topics such as the number of HIMARS MLRS and other high-precision weapons used in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which indicates the involvement of Ukrainian analysts in work prohibited, on such topics to write. A real briefing, prepared “for themselves” by the US military, would provide all the necessary data.

Posted by: mo3 | Apr 9 2023 15:38 utc | 27

Ayhol there matey!
Some difficult questions about the entire SMO.
Was it not launched because of China’s starch support from the eastern borderlands and security council?
Now China hangs RF out to dry like the U.S. did to Russia 1941-1944.
But will PRC ever enter against NATO and its allies?
While primitives debate “rule” by Anglo Saxons, Han, Slavs, Jews, we all need to rule ourselves in the face of technology. A thimble full of nanobots or viruses can take out humanity, or all life. The advantage of the, “West” is it is a headless rat race with distributed social and industrial command and control.
None of that will matter soon, but cult of personality dictatorship is really wearing thin.
Embarrassing. The greatness of the Chinese people and culture is profoundly diminished by Pooh. The cultural power of the Russian people has been crushed and perverted for a century. Still it glimmers!
The travesty that is the U.S.A., freak beast of the British, German, Dutch, and French Empires, given power by the freedom learned from their abused indigenous tribes, will not be understood by authoritarians. Make believe money, running the cult of eco death, lemmings clutching screens.
Faint hope, all chips on the table, material liberation through quantum AI controlled nano science, or oblivion, or worse.
The RF never gained air dominance over Ukraine. Things have not improved. It is obvious. To save the vast Russian holdings, a complete retreat from Ukraine must happen very soon. NATO/CIA prodding and China backing may have precipitated this debacle, yet RF an still get out before it is way too late, on the razor’s edge now.
Very sad, and hard, yet to be blind to the strategic situation, to only take refuge in nuclear threats, what gain?!?
All PRC fault, making old and isolated Putin move, then making him wait until the ice melted! Neve can the Olympic delay be forgot or forgiven!!! RF may well have taken the entire Ukraine if it had moved two weeks earlier.
The shock is RF’s failure to retreat and reassess.
(Fact! The week before Xi met Putin he had Vladivostok and all other far eastern RF territories renamed to Mandarin on PRC maps. Thus Xi was met by the under secretary of tourism and nothing came from the meeting. Less than nothing.)
I can not bear to watch Russians and Ukrainians being killed and maimed by robots any more. Make this primitive ugliness stop!!!

Posted by: Ayhol | Apr 9 2023 15:38 utc | 28

In response to too scents@22,
I see no reason to believe that these documents can be used to predict anything. Rather, they do appear to mimic figures and scenarios raised in public discourse, the basis of which could very well serve as training material for some automated aggregator.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 9 2023 15:43 utc | 29

One of the main revelations of the response of the West to Russia´s, China´s, Arabia´s, India´s, Brazil´s, etc., etc., independence is drastic unforeseen consequences of Western societies forgoing tobacco.
In a smoke-filled room, Russians and Americans would have sorted this peacefully by now.

Posted by: John Marks | Apr 9 2023 15:46 utc | 30

One of the central problems faced by Russia in Ukraine is the difficulty of overcoming simple, WWI-style trench fortifications. They resist conventional artillery bombardment, but they are not immune to thermobaric weapons. The thermobaric warheads of the Russian TOS-1A MLRS can destroy just about anything, including trench networks, but they have relatively short range and there are not enough of them to deploy everywhere they are needed.
With the advent of the Russian conversions of dumb aircraft bombs to precision-guided glide weapons, there is the opportunity to deliver much more powerful thermobaric bombs by this means. A single large thermobaric bomb can destroy a big segment of trench fortifications or even the strongest concrete high-rise building. The usage of these weapons will signal the total defeat of the Ukrainian army.

Posted by: HH | Apr 9 2023 16:02 utc | 31

The MIC and its appendage at DoD is built for share prices and profit, not national defense.
Giving the US government too much credit against all available evidence is just weird.
Posted by: Lex | Apr 9 2023 13:45 utc
I think that you’re completely correct!
Social and financial engineering are the only areas that the US works on now.
Not much good against peer adversaries.

Posted by: jpc | Apr 9 2023 16:02 utc | 32

Posted by: Bilejones | Apr 9 2023 13:05 utc | 1
Speaking of shooting if foot or feet … European feet … shot:
Clare Daly MEP: Europe has become the tail of the US dog, shot itself in its feet
Interview with Li Jingjing [23 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNy6vcWRiB8

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 9 2023 16:05 utc | 33

Showed some acquaintances a photo gallery of Paris and they were completely sure this was isolated and minimal. They would have heard of it.
Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 9 2023 14:14 utc | 11

Talk to any highly intelligent NPR listening citizen and you’ll get the same reaction.
The shocker is that you can ask this NPR listening citizen about various bald faces lies over the last decades ( Tonkin Gulf, Kuwaiti Baby Incubators, Kabul can not fall, etc etc etc) and they’ll 100% agree that these tall tales were lies BUT Today’s Tall Tales are all TRUE !!!!

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2023 16:08 utc | 34

Shocking Pentagon Intelligence Leak !!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/intelligence-leak-exposes-us-spying-on-adversaries-and-allies/ar-AA19DplU
Some CNN FP expert was alarmed that the info ‘was not vetted’. Well neither are the rumors, spread by ‘unnamed U.S. officials’, who routinely lie about Russia, China, and Iran. This is an admission by her that the MSM is only their to do the bidding of the U.S. govt.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 9 2023 16:11 utc | 35

“The Ukrainian authorities have begun to take back weapons from the civilian population of Dnepropetrovsk (a large city in Ukraine) that were distributed to citizens at the beginning of the war, fearing that the people would rise up against the corrupt government.
1/2”
https://twitter.com/TVajrayana/status/1644915279594504192
This needs to be seen in context of original US plan in Ukraine. They planned that Russians would take large swathe of territory, and the guns they distributed to everyone would be used against Russian troops from all directions. This plan to a very large extent never materialized, and now they are worried the guns will be used against Zelensky regime.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2023 16:16 utc | 36

@ Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:24 utc | 13

.. What else is wrong with the published offensive plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? ..

There is nothing “wrong” as you questioned, due to that’s only managed for the “Public” audience, as You being one of them “puböics” (pls- excuse, you esp. Your friends are a good, appreciated writers here on MoA, but only ‘on paper’).
Newertheless, some “things” are going ahead – from either side – but nobody nows how&where and by what battalions en-detail to what (meat-grinder, Sniper focused on Z-Piano-Lensky? ..
All just today (Bakhmut, Adjevka OPs, newly arised hidden reserves in Kherson regions) is only an assumption for awaiting a some further weeks to give US/UK/GER media an updated vision of the ‘war’ …
But note, if really a so-called UKR-Offensive will start next week(s) on every side by Ukrainians and US/UK/EU soldiers, flying “some ‘F16 & Tornado etc.” personnaly as US/EU pilots, simultaneously,
The Russians will check that (hopefully they can check for that US/GER-pilots) ..
But than, “time is over” for gaming …

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 9 2023 16:25 utc | 37

@1 yes nato information centers are starting to promote the need to cancel due to information being leaked.
However I’m still inclined its an exercise in palming unannounced weapon deliveries.
They will move on the land bridge towards melitopal. It’s the been neglected by the Russians because of the donbass grinders.
If they don’t, I dunno stalemate for years or Chinese peace plan?
Give war a chance.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 9 2023 16:45 utc | 38

@Eighthman

I ask myself, “Could they really be that stupid or deluded?”. Incredibly, the answer seems to be yes

This is what happens when you treat the rest of the world as a bunch of backwater bozos to be bullied around.
Diplomacy has been abandoned by the west.
I just listened to Mercouris’ latest. A couple takeaways for those who don’t have the time to take it in:
Macrons visit to Xi was a complete debacle
Unconfirmed reports that Bakhmut has fallen now and the UAF is trying to retreat to Chasiv yar.
Last roads have been cut though.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 9 2023 16:46 utc | 39

@37 myself
Sorry, wrong spelling, must replace than by then :
But than, “time is over” for gaming …
So we have to wait .. some days … some weeks .. pls. not more !
The “end” must be declared by either side latest at 01-OCT-2023 !
Otherwise, it will be a war for the next 5 years, as declared by the US Pentagon (someone else here had thoght about 5 angels = Pentagon ?).
No matter today, but there is really a so-called elite “woring” in the background (IWF’s, WOF’s Schwab, and others well known ThinkTanks, the CIA .. Mossad ..blabla ..), that rules the way to have going on !
now that – ok MoA already now that current “tricks” to blend you by MSM or a new war ..
Where would a new war on-ground arise?
Answer: Nowhere – due to US/UK/GER will go out of ground fighting ammo supply of their own ammo manufacturers.
I’ve worked 2 years for Wegmann/Rheinmetall Germany – nothing’s going ahead on new productiion lines!
Belevieve – or not do believe. The UKR-Commanders have been retreated just today and let their “meat” fighting the “Rest of Bakhmut” and Avdevkia”.
That’s it. Thanks for yur reading.

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 9 2023 16:48 utc | 40

In the Ukraine, they would of sold the stolen bible?
‘The antithesis of the Bible’: New NASA official praised for being sworn in on Carl Sagan book
https://www.alternet.org/nasa-official-carl-sagan-book/

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Apr 9 2023 16:52 utc | 41

The leaked document is probably a product of Zelensky ‘s office printed onto copied US official notepaper on April 1.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 9 2023 16:53 utc | 42

Telegram channels were the first to write about problems with air defense shells, but they tried to solve the issue through black market purchases in Asia and Africa, but the volumes are too small.
According to the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / GUR / SBU, telegram channels also wrote that Syrsky threw the best Ukrainian units into the Bakhmutovsky meat grinder, as a result, the city was not surrounded, but most died or were injured. Over the past month, we have lost several units of Alpha SBU, which indicates the high cost of keeping Bakhmut.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17225

Keeping Bakhmut loses its meaning every day, but for the Office of the President it is a symbol that must be kept despite the losses. Decisive battles for the UAF for the city will begin next week, and the loss of 2-3 blocks in the north or south of Bakhmut will be a disaster for the defense.
Our main fortified area is located in high-rise buildings, but the enemy simply levels the area with artillery, and the operational environment continues to play against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we cannot organize a normal supply and transfer of reserves.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17226

About the transfer of “elite” reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which were originally intended to participate in the upcoming offensive, writes The New York Times. According to the newspaper, due to the heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the catastrophic situation of the Ukrainian army in Bakhmut / Artemovsk, it was the transferred reserves that slowed down the fall of the city.
Perhaps they are preparing for a counter strike on the RF Armed Forces in order to recapture the city.
Our next insider was confirmed. Zelensky sent and is sending reserves to keep Bakhmut in order to save his image.
We wrote in March that no one at the general headquarters could convince the President to stop throwing reserves into Bakhmut’s meat grinder. It is the Bakhmut meat grinder that many call the reason why the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be thwarted.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15121

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 17:01 utc | 43

In general: There can be absolutely no question of a total withdrawal of UA from Bakhmut. They brought thousands of new troops into the city in the past hours and days. They want to keep all the areas of the city they currently hold at all costs. It won’t get any easier to conquer Bakhmut, if anything more difficult than it already is.
One should have patience. But west of the rail line, tens of thousands of UA troops are now stationed within the city. That takes time to celebrate greater successes. In any case, the meat grinder glows to a new level. On both sides.

https://t.me/c/1676275372/53810

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 17:04 utc | 44

The leaks are real. I suspect that a faction of the Mossad is the source as it would be the most likely foreign intelligence service that could both access them and would have any reason to make them public. There’s a lot of US-Israeli shenanigans going on. Netanyahu went so far as to accuse Biden of color revolutioning him. And the article about “Russiagate” being an Israeli op looks like someone trying to undermine Bibi, so this could be a response.
I’d say it’s possible the leak came from Ukraine based on known examples of dual loyalty in US institutions (eg Vindeman) and the possibility of feeing like there’s not enough support or it’s waning. But that’s a lot of disgruntled so I wouldn’t call it probable.
And there’s always US internal faction wars that could produce it, but that would only apply to the Ukraine specific files.
The there are info ops related to the front coming from Ukraine it’s probably what kind of units are going to Bakhmut and the talk of sending lots of elite troops. Those are likely being held back for an offensive.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 9 2023 17:19 utc | 45

Video:

American mercenary is captured alive. What is his business in Ukraine?

https://t.me/inessas1992/3599
Passport shows his name is John Arthur Miller

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 17:21 utc | 46

Avdiivka direction
The operation to take Avdeevka into a complete encirclement continues. After the artillery preparation the day before yesterday, our Army again undertook assault actions from two directions:
in the area of Vodyane and Severnoye, as well as in the area of Pervomaiskoye, where our fighters are busy expanding the bridgehead in the western direction—the enemy is driven out to the western outskirts of Pervomaiskoye, despite fierce resistance. 
To the north, in the vicinity of Krasnogorovka, our troops entered Petrovske and pushed the enemy towards Berdychi.
In the Kamenka area, our troops came close to the administrative boundaries of Avdeevka from the eastern side.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41134

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 17:26 utc | 47

If it’s intentionally dispersed misinformation, who is it meant to misinform?
Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 9 2023 13:58 utc | 7
The braindead natostan population. If nato can’t win in real life, they will win in msm, movies, wikipedia, twitter, youtube etc. and now they win in powerpoint presentations too.
And something very funny today: international affairs committee of Verkhovna Rada said bad things about China, that they have “no legal claim to Taiwan”, it’s just a “communist delusion”

Posted by: rk | Apr 9 2023 17:28 utc | 48

Time to repost this gem from a B. article –
Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie.
I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories; and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened.
I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’.
George Orwell, Looking back on the Spanish War, Chapter 4

rest of article
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/the-media-war-on-truthful-reporting-and-legitimate-opinions-a-documentary.html

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2023 17:30 utc | 49

Posted by: Ayhol | Apr 9 2023 15:38 utc

Very sad, and hard, yet to be blind to the strategic situation, to only take refuge in nuclear threats, what gain?!?

Even if everything you said is verifiably true, this statement right here seems to miss the point. Russia DOES have 6k nuclear weapons and it can use them any time it wishes. It will NOT be pushed back for the simple reason that the Donbass and Lugansk areas are now a part of Russia by LAW. And Russian doctrine calls for defense by all means including nuclear weapons to defend its borders.
For Russia to leave, they would have to change the law. Also, such a move could also see Putin removed and with his restraint gone, nuclear war could very well be the next step. There are a lot of leaders in Russia who have openly spoken of kinetic actions vs the western powers.

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Apr 9 2023 17:31 utc | 50

RELEASED “SECRET DOCUMENTS”
Recently a NATO center within Ukraine was missiled by the Russians. Maybe during the cleanup of this facility, these “secret” documents were found, hidden, and sold.
I have not heard that these plans had any specific deployment dates or locations. There were some weather reports that indicated when an offensive might be viable regarding road and field conditions.
Maybe these plans are entirely fake to mislead the Russians. If they are a fake, a lot of detailed information was defined therein. Enough details are found within these documents for the Russians to be able to determine if they fake or real. This makes me think that the plans may be authenic.
Whether these documents are real or fake, it will shake the morale of the Ukrainian troops to know that the plans of their command may be compromised. The last thing that a trooper wants is for the enemy to know when and where he is coming. Even though these plans did not define specific mobilization dates and locations, they did define specific date windows for mobilization.
Regardless of their source and regardless if these plans are accurate or not; overall it will hurt the Ukrainian efforts the most. They will hurt in the morale of the AFU to some degree regardless if they are or if they are not authenic.
If they are fake, I am sure the Russians will figure it out before any Ukrainian offensive is launched.

Posted by: young | Apr 9 2023 17:33 utc | 51

Re: Leaked documents
From what I have been reading over the last few days, opinions seem to be split between those who believe that the documents are fake and those who claim that they are authentic. There is another possibility that does not seem to get sufficient attention. I believe that these were genuine documents that have been partially and selectively altered and deliberately leaked. The Russians are right to suspect a major disinformation attempt. Also, it is remarkable how the whole story has been picked up and regurgitated by the ‘independent’ American media quite unlike the silence surrounding the Nordstream story. To top it all, the Pentagon is looking for the ‘culprits’ for the leak and the ‘European allies’ are concerned… All elements of a typical soap opera for the brainwashed seem to be present. I fear the epicenter of the so-called Ukrainina’counter-offensive’ may be completely different from what has been publicly announced and debated. I will not be surprised to see a direct attack on Russian territory or some really bloody terrorist activities.Something very sinister is being cooked up by the monsters in Washington and the ‘leak’ is part of it.

Posted by: Dr M | Apr 9 2023 17:39 utc | 52

Quiz question, do you think the situation has got better or worse, in NATO countries, since 1999? Bearing in mind the UK was one of the only countries to contribute the agreed 4% of its budgetary spending on defence.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/274/27405.htm
Better or worse, under 16 years of Democrat cuts and the Republican focus on the GWAT?
https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1708&context=parameters

Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2023 17:39 utc | 53

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 17:01 utc | 43
by Ref. of some Telegram:

.. It is the Bakhmut meat grinder that many call the reason why the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be thwarted. …

Now, the AFU in city of Bahkmut – new name on CNN-TV ever heard? – (whereever there might be still sitting as a “duck” , or what else) is concentrated/compressed about 10-15 thousands soldiers in a small Western region of that town!
What does that mean, today?
The Bahkmut – better as declared now the RU-name of Artewsmosk (sorry dont know the right spelling) –
will going to be encircled and cut-off of retreating by available roads, any may its 10-15.000 young registered UAF-soldiers sent to the “grinder” – what do “YOU” think the UKR-Mothers in Uraine will state about their sons about an crazy junky Mr. President of UR Z-Elendski could do for “ME” with or wothout a full “white nose” agaimst that?
Assumed: Mr. Z. will either be blown-up next wees (eg. in Kiew as in St.Petersburg), or being saved by any CIA security towards the Kaiman, Mexico, areas ..).

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 9 2023 17:49 utc | 54

If Russia continues to destroy significant concentrations of troops and materiel, it will not have mattered whether the leaked documents are genuine or fake.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 9 2023 17:51 utc | 55

If we ever hear of black market weapons traveling from Ukrainian warehouses to be used to kill American soldiers in Syria, that would be a sign of the Biden administration having its off-ramp in place. Same thing if such weapons were said to have been used against Israel, or claimed to have been used by the “peasants who are revolting”* in Paris.
Regarding the supposed leak, the truth becomes almost irrelevant when the media works hand in glove with the administration, and allows for having things both ways, except for when they allow every which way. A month from now history will get written to explain the documents in a manner that is the most convenient to the moment. It can be, as needed, “We saw this coming”, or instead, “It was a cunning plan**”.
*Paraphrasing Mel Brooks in History of the World, Part I.
**As cunning as anything Black Adder and Baldrick ever cooked up.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 9 2023 17:53 utc | 56

Or Aelenskiy could be made to appear to be having been killed while actually not, as he is whisked away. However, he becomes a liability quite easily at any given time. His usefulness is fast wearing out.
My how they’ve propped him up and made a sensation of him. Quite an unbelievable spectacle. I mean, literally unbelievable. The olive drab pants and t shirts and fresh haircuts.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 9 2023 18:15 utc | 57

NYT tweet saying leaked documents include elements of Mossad encouraging anti-government protests and even Mossad participation. To me that makes the leak look even more probably Mossad, loyal to Bibi and for the purpose of embarrassing the shit out of DC and warning.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 9 2023 18:21 utc | 58

Posted by: young | Apr 9 2023 17:33 utc | 51

.. Maybe these plans are entirely fake to mislead the Russians. If they are a fake, a lot of detailed information was defined therein. Enough details are found within these documents for the Russians to be able to determine if they fake or real. This makes me think that the plans may be authenic. ..

You know – as most of MoAs here know – that a so-called “Leak” publicly set on Twitter/Facebook or whereever .., and signed originally by ‘The Pentagon’ and/or its sub-contractors to give any reference about, is completely a fake.
Sorry, against other above mentioned “words” I’ve registered that crazy to my own personal mind.
Not more – Okay?
All MoAs are sure that China will going ahead to establish a so-called “Multi-Polar” World.
You – MoA’ guys + guys-innen – may laugh hereto, but the sense is and that remain that Chinese is not a no-one.
Think about – RF has understood – weapons going under the table – but for 1 goal as known known …
Be sure .. thanks for reading ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 9 2023 18:29 utc | 59

Russian missile and drone strikes beyond the front line are daily, all the way from Karkov to Odessa.
The results of these strikes never appear on the MOD reports.
But fires and internet outages due to cleaning are
real.
In addition, Russia now has an air strike force without precedent in this war, air superiority is preponderant if she’s not countered.
The rotation of such a device on several aerodromes is
absolutely overwhelming.
NATO engages its best men and equipment for a fast game over.
If Ukraine does not solve its problem from sky other than by plundering churches, the churches will not save her.

Posted by: la bouteille | Apr 9 2023 18:38 utc | 60

Posted by: Lex | Apr 9 2023 17:19 utc | 45
Bibi: it’s America’s fault!
i don’t think anything today will make me laugh more with genuine glee.
everything is about him, too, isn’t it? who does that sound like?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 9 2023 18:42 utc | 61

ZH has a posting up with the title
NATO To Hold Its Largest-Ever Air Exercises In June
The quote

The exercises will mark the largest US air forces deployment to Europe for NATO drills since the alliance was founded in 1949.
The purpose of the drills is to simulate what the US would have to do if the war in Ukraine spread into NATO territory.
“This is now putting the alliance together quickly, with a credible force, to make sure that if Russia ever lines up on the NATO border, that we’re ready to go,” said Lt. Gen. Michael Loh, the head of the Air National Guard. “We’re going to defend every inch.”
The drills will take place from June 12-23 and will stretch from Iceland to Romania, with most flights taking place over Germany and the North Sea. The massive show of force is a clear message to Russia and comes as the US and NATO are escalating support for their proxy war against Moscow in Ukraine.
Finland, which formally joined NATO on Tuesday, will participate in the drills. By admitting Finland, NATO has more than doubled its territory on the Russian border, a region that will now inevitably be further militarized.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 9 2023 18:47 utc | 62

The end result of taking Bakhmut/Artyomovsk is going to be hardened elite shock troop training.

Bakhmut: Some UA sources report that ours breached the railroad tracks. Yes, that’s true, but they haven’t been able to attach themselves to the other side until now. That’s why I haven’t written anything about it yet. You have to wait a bit here now, as soon as they could hold their territory on the other side I will write more about it. The fact is: the station area is boiling. Unusually fierce battles rage on into the night again. In this area Wagner fights hand in hand with RU special units against Ukrainian elite units.
763 views Rémy Lind, 19:42

https://t.me/s/remylind21

Posted by: too scents | Apr 9 2023 19:15 utc | 63

Our source in the OP said that Zaluzhny is proposing to launch a double counteroffensive in the spring to stretch out the forces of the Russian army.
One grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should advance in the South, and the second should organize an additional strike in the direction of Severodonetsk in order to capture Svatovo and Kremennaya, creating pressure on Lugansk.

Prigozhyn “Prigozhin
The founder of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, estimated the number of Ukrainian troops for the counteroffensive at 200,000 and said that the enemy should not be underestimated.
“They have collected about two hundred, according to some sources up to four hundred thousand personnel, this cannot be underestimated,” Prigogine said.
By the way, think over personal security measures in advance: according to intelligence, before attempting a “counterattack”, the AFU will create a barrage of fire in all directions to disorient our troops.
Of course, the main targets for shelling will be locations, fuel and lubricant depots and b / c, transport interchanges, and other military-strategic targets. However, knowing the fascist scum, chaotic artillery strikes on the civilian population cannot be ruled out.”

Before any offensive can commence, tons and tons of fuel, lubricants, ammo, and food must be amassed… Impossible to hide….
Ditto, Trucks etc to transport the gear….
Ditto, fuel to power the whole shebang….
Impossible to hide….
AND……
Exactly where did the bodies come from???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Apr 9 2023 19:16 utc | 64

Re: NATO Air Force exercise
All part of prep for the glorious (sic) counter offensive in 2024 or 2025.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2023 19:21 utc | 65

Posted by: Dr M | Apr 9 2023 17:39 utc | 52
I said the same thing about these so-called “leaked” documents 3 days ago.
Meanwhile, Poddubny on his channel is following up on the analysis by military chronicle posted above with his opinion (peri-phrasing from Russian): these “leaked” docs are so dumb they must come from IPSO only. Also, the fact that new york times is tooting its propaganda horn on them as well.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 9 2023 19:33 utc | 66

Re: the “leaked” documents. While I agree that there is something rather fishy about the timing and some of the information contained, as others pointed out last night (here in US time), Simplicius the Thinker broke down the Ukraine-related documents at his Substack and found that they mostly agreed with his previous analysis. There is talk in his comments about this “leak” perhaps, then, being mostly real and possibly even designed to expose Ukraine’s massive weaknesses heading into the so-called spring offensive. IF this is the case, then it’s possible whoever “leaked” them wants the plug pulled on this whole thing here in the West, meaning “time to negotiate, we can’t send you enough weapons for you to win anymore.”
That’s just one theory, though, and I agree with the sentiment expressed here by others that it might be nice to see what’s in the *other* non-Ukraine related documents allegedly contained in the “leak.” Someone referenced South Korea up-thread. I stopped reading at that comment, BTW, so if someone else has already posted a link to some of the other files/docs, I’ll have a look and potentially revise this comment w/ an addendum.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2023 19:37 utc | 67

Posted by: young | Apr 9 2023 17:33 utc | 51
Frankly, if they are in fact real, yours is as good a theory for how the documents have entered the public domain as any others I’ve seen. It could well be possible that USNATO didn’t actually want them exposed but that the Russians destroyed some facility or the other in Ukraine where copies were stored. That’s something I’m willing to invest some time investigating.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 9 2023 19:40 utc | 68

I believe part of the US plan was to have the Russians occupy areas of Ukraine and suffer US supported insurgencies
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 14:13 utc | 10
Agree. Something like: Allow the Russians to take Kiev, and then shoot at patrolling Russian tanks and helicopters with Us-supplied anti-tank and manpads.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 9 2023 20:02 utc | 69

I’m wondering if the leaking of the documents might have been initiated by elements in the Pentagon, who used an intermediary to facilitate its release. Several months ago I read an article (now ‘disappeared’ from the internet) about growing strains between the amateurs in the Nuland clan and officials at the Pentagon, over their ignoring military advice, whilst promoting increasingly dangerous rhetoric and policies over Ukraine. The Pentagon though could do nothing because the neo-cons had the President’s ear. What better way, therefore, to embarrass the neo-cons than to try to wrest the initiative away from them, by sabotaging their plans for a big offensive, whilst also revealing publicly, the true, dire state of the UA.
Whatever the truth about the provenance of this ‘leak’, the Russian’s cannot risk their current plans by reacting to them. If the data, contained in the leaked documents, alight with their own findings it will be a useful validation tool for their ISR operations to measure their efficacy against.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2023 20:05 utc | 70

Macrons visit to Xi was a complete debacle
Unconfirmed reports that Bakhmut has fallen now and the UAF is trying to retreat to Chasiv yar.
Last roads have been cut though.
Posted by: Chris | Apr 9 2023 16:46 utc | 39

I would say von der Leyen (VDL) visit was a complete debacle. Some have noted that she got dumped by Macron where he later met with Xi elsewhere far from VDL. Macron did manage to get business contracts signed for Airbus and purchased some LNG tankers from China. I see Macron’s faux pas during their joint press conference was to appease VDL and her handlers.

Posted by: Ian2 | Apr 9 2023 20:12 utc | 71

I recall the time when the function of newspapers was to reveal what the powerful wanted to keep hidden. These days it seems that their purpose (and social media is a sort of newspaper too) is to broadcast the narratives that the powerful want promulgated. I’m looking at the “leaks” in that light.

Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Apr 9 2023 20:16 utc | 72

Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 14:25 utc | 14
Alternatively, distributing sensitive documents with unique ‘mistakes’, to determine the identity of a potential leaker, is common practice amongst many organisations. Differing weapons nomenclature could also be as a result of multiple sources being cut and pasted. I attended a presentation by an aviation engineering company, specialising in modernisation programmes for civilian and military platforms where the opening PP slide had, ‘Pathways to sucess’ written on it., and a close friend of mine, received advertising copy from a major auto manufacturer’s agency, for a massive promotional campaign, that had the vehicle’s model name spelt incorrectly. Unacceptable, yes, but all too human I’m afraid.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2023 20:21 utc | 73

@Guy L’Estrange, #72:
A cogent comment!!! Thank you.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 9 2023 20:22 utc | 74

Prigozhin’s statements are not easy to fathom. It’s not only his irony (which goes deep), but also the way he describes relations between Wagner on one side and the Russian army and officials on the other. Whether it is obfuscation, or a real frustration with a remaining fifth column I personally can’t say. But any fifth column there could be, seems headed for expulsion (if not execution if Putin’s successor is more Stalinist). The early twentieth century is being replayed, on many fronts. Only the West doesn’t have the big guns exclusively anymore.

Posted by: Anthony | Apr 9 2023 20:24 utc | 75

@Milites, #53:
Thanks for pointing out that UK has, since 1999, devoted 4% of its budgetary spending to defense spending. I didn’t know that has been the case, and I wonder what have they bought for that money spent. I for one can’t see anything useful. The sense I get is that UK is slipping badly in the eyes of the world, economically as well as militarily, since the 1970’s.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 9 2023 20:27 utc | 76

Ajax | Apr 9 2023 14:30 utc | 15
Number of Russian combat troops before the SMO was 1.2 million. I assume that covers all those who man some form of weapon system. That is without the volunteers and the 300 thousand mobilized. Putin issued a degree some time ago to take the number of the standing army combat troops to 1.5 million.
According to the Pentagon, Russia before the mobilization used 140 BTG’s for the Ukraine theater. Perhaps 100 thousand men depending on numbers in each BTG. On top of that would be air and naval assets plus missile forces.
In the east there is US occupied Japan, in the south there is Georgia and perhaps Kazakhstan, and in the west there is the Nato front. Russia maintains a standing army that is equivalent or sufficient to whatever possible threat it sees on its borders. 140 BTG’s was the force they allowed for the Ukraine front, and they were sufficient to destroy the first/original Ukraine army. At no time did or has Russia pulled forces from other areas for Ukraine.
At the time Russia pulled back in Karkov, there was a 50 or 60 thousand man exercise in the east. Instead Russia took its time and mobilized an extra 300 thousand. The bulk of them as far as I can make out are still being held in researve.
There is also the 80 thousand volunteers that signed up and were well into their training when the mobilization occurred. At the time of the mobilization, Shoigu said they were now fighting Nato. That was the second army Russia face at the time of the Kherson and Khakov offensive. That is when Ukraine frontline radio traffic became all forign language. Polish English ect. Still plenty of Ukraine cannon fodder but large numbers of foriegn forces dressed in Ukraine uniforms. Now the Russians are dug in and waiting for the third and probably last Nato/Ukraine army and that too will be destroyed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 9 2023 20:27 utc | 77

Leaks are meant to OBFUSCATE …
Whatever they indicate … or not.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 9 2023 20:45 utc | 78

@ #50
Fellow human, as I asked, “to what gain?”
In ten minutes. Shanghi London Beijing Moscow DC New York L.A. Norfolk Reykjavik, Balaklava, Vladivostok, etc… etc…
Then, nuclear winter.
How much food do you have handy?
What a delightful exercise on our glorious earth.
So, what gain?
Love all.

Posted by: Ayhol | Apr 9 2023 20:51 utc | 79

reply to 71
Damn ! According to IntelSlava, Macron has gotten the message ! Ditch the dollar. Stop being vassals of the US. Sovereignty (of the EU) is important. Mr. Macron had a ‘come to Jesus’ moment, apparently.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 9 2023 20:59 utc | 80

Oriental Voice @76 “I didn’t know that has been the case, and I wonder what have they bought for that money spent. I for one can’t see anything useful.”
Well they have 2 new aircraft carriers both in dock with propeller shaft problems.

Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2023 21:11 utc | 81

Here’s this commenter’s current take on the military situation in Ukraine:
The US and allied leadership has been very open about wanting to weaken Russia. It’s clear that this weakening is in both military and economic terms. The goal of the weakening is apparently to destabilize the Russian government to the point of “regime change”.
On the military front, it seems like the tactic is to prevent any large-scale maneuvers by the Russian forces. To that end, the US and allied leadership is apparently providing targeting data to the Ukrainian forces, especially for 1) any Russian armor concentrations beyond a certain size, and 2) Russian air forces. It’s clear that the point is to compel the Russian forces to only make frontal assaults, which are normally far costlier in terms of soldiers and materiel.
The Russian leadership clearly understands the above, which is why they’re heavily emphasizing the use of artillery and preferentially using non-regular forces (e.g. Wagner PMC) in frontal assaults. These both have conservation of forces as their aim. However, it’s a mistake to believe that the Russian leadership has undertaken these tactics purely on their own. Instead, they’re trying to optimize their efforts within the constraints imposed by the US and allied leadership.
The result of this interplay of forces is a race to see which happens first: Russia becoming destabilized to where “regime change” occurs, or the Russian leadership achieving their objectives of the SMO within the severe constraints summarized above. This commenter’s money is on the latter.

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 9 2023 21:15 utc | 82

One more aspect of the leaked documents affaire is quite interesting. The leak happened the day before Blinken officially confirmed that an Ukrainian counter-offensive should happen in the coming weeks. On the one hand, the leaked documents seem to confirm that Ukraine is not prepared for such an offensive because of lack of ammunition, equipment, etc. On the other hand, after the Blinken’s statement, Ukraine is put in a position where it must launch an offensive of some sort. Some have been tempted to assume that the leak affaire was an attempt at disinformation aimed at the Russians. But what if the target was Ukraine (whose dire situation is publicly exposed) or even the European sheeple (aka allies) who have been heavily invested in supporting Ukraine. Could this be an attempt at blackmailing the one or the other into doing something extremely desperate and stupid? Any thoughts on that would be appreciated.

Posted by: Dr M | Apr 9 2023 21:17 utc | 83

Happy Easter to all!
From the point of view of an infantryman in the current conflict, I would be interested to know what pragmatic means could be used to detect these small drones that reconnoitre or drop grenades.
Apps exist for smartphones.
I am not aware of range and self-danger when using mobile phones (with or without sim) on the front line.
https://www.sir-apfelot.de/drone-scanner-app-dronetag-45911
https://aaronia.de/drohnen-detektor/
Something like that would already help to make everyday life easier.
Combating it is another issue. But at least for drones from the normal trade, everyone should at least have a “beep detector”.

Posted by: 600w | Apr 9 2023 21:17 utc | 84

@Milites, #53:
Thanks for pointing out that UK has, since 1999, devoted 4% of its budgetary spending to defense spending. I didn’t know that has been the case, and I wonder what have they bought for that money spent. I for one can’t see anything useful. The sense I get is that UK is slipping badly in the eyes of the world, economically as well as militarily, since the 1970’s.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 9 2023 20:27 utc | 76
No, its only been 2%

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 9 2023 21:19 utc | 85

Well they have 2 new aircraft carriers both in dock with propeller shaft problems.
Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2023 21:11 utc | 81
No. Only HMS Prince of Wales is in dock, at Rosyth.

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 9 2023 21:23 utc | 86

Last week Congress tried to push through an extremely repressive law, aptly named the RESTRICT Act, which would allow the censorship-industrial complex to use the criminal justice system to shut down free speech, instead of just relying on the cancelling and banning they have been using for the last 7 years.
Rand Paul blocked the attempt to fast track it.
So this week Top Secret documents were released about war plans in Ukraine.
Now the self-identified “legitimate” media is going bonkers screaming about all the harm that has been done, and the Pentagon has announced that it is going after the bloggers who printed it.
As if the Ukrainian military was doing fine before someone leaked the plans.
As if the Russians read bloggers to find out military strategy.
Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 9 2023 21:33 utc | 87

@Cynica | Apr 9 2023 21:15 utc | 82
Well said, although I would add, Russia has been preparing for a war in Ukraine since at least 2014.
What the war they may have imagined and the war they got looked like is apparent to see. Initially they enacted their plan well but then everything began to change. Russian retreats whether from Kiev, Kharkov, or any other such places were gamed out well in advance. It’s not all US action and Russian reaction, when your plans abd contingencies allow for such things.

Posted by: Spinworthy | Apr 9 2023 21:40 utc | 88

Eighthman | Apr 9 2023 20:59 utc | 80
here is a link to the article.. thanks for the heads up!
Europe must resist pressure to become ‘America’s followers,’ says Macron

Posted by: james | Apr 9 2023 21:44 utc | 89

@JohninMK, #86:
2% of GDP, 4% of government budget. I reckon UK government spending amounts to 50% of GDP?

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 9 2023 21:46 utc | 90

Russian intelligent assets and surveillance is very sophisticated….they know exactly what is going on….any leaks authentic or fabricated are irrelevant to Russian operational plans. The Ukrainian grandiose plans are designed for public consumption and are fabricated. If the information was credible it would be accurate. The casualty figures are the litmus test in my opinion. I also suspect the plans are contrived by some narcissist online influencer blogtard using common sense and open source information and U.S is trying to capitalize on the confusion and public distraction..or hastily released by Ukrainian sources to form an viable excuse not to conduct the ill fated offensive operations they are being compelled to initiate.I think the general rule of thumb here still stands true…don’t believe a word coming out of U.S NATO or mainstream medias mouth..or side of mouth. The actual war is being waged against the Western public in conjunction with operations against Russia….we in the west have just had the largest PSYOP operation unleashed on us in the last few years and the misinformation war is continuing. Western supplied weapons systems will not only show up in Syria and Lebanon but also on the Mexican black market…they will come across the U.S border in time… asymmetrical warfare

Posted by: Joe | Apr 9 2023 21:47 utc | 91

“Now China hangs RF out to dry like the U.S. did to Russia 1941-1944.”
per AyHol.
Utter nonsense. Roosevelt had thousands of planes flown to Russia via Canada/Alaska/Siberia. And Studebaker sent thousands of American made trucks via Iran, especially 6 by 6’s to make the Russia army mechanically mobile instead of traveling by foot.
China needs Russia, especially Russian Military technology, but especially energy and resources.
And Putin and Xi have mutual respect for each other. Whereas NOBODY, not even amongst the so-called Western Allies, has any respect whatsoever for Dirt Bag Biden.

Posted by: kupkee | Apr 9 2023 21:47 utc | 92

To be clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emf4agOD6xY

Posted by: Lalita | Apr 9 2023 21:49 utc | 93

JohnMK @ 86 Thanks for the correction. So Queen Elizabeth carrier is fit and ready for action. British taxpayers must be proud.

Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2023 21:58 utc | 94

Posted by: Ian2 | Apr 9 2023 20:12 utc | 71
From what I heard in Mercouris’ video, and with the caveat that I have no idea how Alex got his readout, Macron committed the cardinal son of diplomacy by refusing to take “no” for an answer when badgering Xi on Ukraine.
Mercouris also made the point that Macron managed to piss of both the Chinese and the neocons who control Germany and the Uk (I prefer to call them war whores.)
Macron failed to accomplish any geopolitical objectives although as you pointed out he may have made progress in economic ones.
Again I have no idea how accurate this readout is, but I tend to like Mercouris and he seems quite intelligent if garrulous.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 9 2023 22:03 utc | 95

@95 correction – cardinal son= “sin”
Wish we could edit comments. That does bring its own set of issues.
Just to add my own thought on Macron, why is it that the French, who have a history of showing some spine toward the hegemonic empire, put such a poodle in power? Chirac or certainly DeGaulle showed that it is possible to stand up to Uncle Sam. We seem to be cursed with this set of leaders and they keep getting worse.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 9 2023 22:11 utc | 96

Sanctions, what sanctions?
“Russia’s oil sales notched a new record last week, despite western sanctions and promises of reductions in output. Russian oil exports rose to 4.13 million barrels a day in the last week of March, up 1 million barrels a day from the prior week, according to Bloomberg data”.

Posted by: Paul GV | Apr 9 2023 22:15 utc | 97

Posted by: Chris | Apr 9 2023 22:11 utc | 96
I don’t believe it’s a curse Chris, I think it is by design.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Apr 9 2023 22:15 utc | 98

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Am I the only one finding it utterly bizarre that Western intelligence would believe for a second that 97% of the Russian army is currently deployed and/or dedicated to Ukraine?… The statement, which reinforces Ben Wallace’s February remark, is beyond absurd. Is this pure incompetence, which I seriously doubt, the continuation of a psyop operation to discredit the Russian army?.. I am perplex I reckon….

Good question – All here MoAs want to know an answer for that –
But, You do not have an answer – just like me – today- so I cannot contribute facts today, rather than having from current vids shot by Wagners and MoD Officials ..
But may think once more this fact :
This is not only a war on Ukrainian grounds, but “this” is a more likely a war among “West vs. East”, the EU (even Macron) between..
The more the US/UK will start a new provocations delivery of Uranium-spec ammunition, the more the “East” will react to those announcements. That’s for sure. How it would look that respnse, You have to discuss pls. here further ..
Fazit:
The best way is:
1st: Kill UR Soldiers and Mercs from Poland/GER/UK/CAN etc. as many as you (RF) can
2nd: Be further very calm to safe on your (RF) men-powered machines, but strengthen your (RF) AV and SAT capabilities!
Ok – just have done – but US recon is not asleep .., ref last drones attacks on Crimeria Bridge .. !?
Best – Have a Christ like Easter ..
Posted by: Ajax | Apr 9 2023 14:30 utc | 15

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 9 2023 22:21 utc | 99

Last week Congress tried to push through an extremely repressive law, aptly named the RESTRICT Act, which would allow the censorship-industrial complex to use the criminal justice system to shut down free speech, instead of just relying on the cancelling and banning they have been using for the last 7 years.
As if the Ukrainian military was doing fine before someone leaked the plans.
As if the Russians read bloggers to find out military strategy.
Coincidence? I think not.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Apr 9 2023 21:33 utc | 87
Thanks, this is the most intelligent and obvious interpretation of this event so far. It’s the USA behaving exactly as it always does.
Everything it does geopolitically is always for internal consumption and politics. I can’t stand to follow US politics anymore but you’ve just demonstrated how useful it is to be aware and to connect the dots and see how banal and self interested the US deep state (of any faction) truly is.
And yes anything leaked by the prime instruments of disinformation and slaves of the MICIMAT is not worth anyone’s time and it amazes me how much traction it gets even here.

Posted by: K | Apr 9 2023 22:22 utc | 100