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April 7, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-84
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Posted by: Slat1 | Apr 8 2023 15:20 utc | 200
The “leaked” documents were as authentic as a sail boat with nefarious anti-Russia Russians (not associated with USOGA, UKMI6, Ukraine СбУ…..Mind You.) blew up NS1&2.
The only path by the West to win the Ukraine War is via west media. Realty on the ground needs hard work, saliva and keyboards are profitable and lazy work.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Apr 8 2023 15:42 utc | 201
About those “leaked” documents. Most Russian channels are poohpoohing them, Readovka for example. Poorly constructed from open sources with lots of contradictions in them.
Simplicus dissects them and finds they are most likely authentic….
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/major-nato-plans-for-ukraine-leaked
Firstly, despite the absolute authenticity of the documents at first glance, several things should be said as a precursor.
The initial copies which circulated all over Telegram were altered by [presumably] a Russian source who changed (photoshopped) the ‘Losses’ data, however original versions have now been found. (more on this later)
One obvious consideration is that this leak could be a mass deliberate maskirovka campaign by NATO/U.S. to fool Russia with seemingly authentic information on the offensive, which would intentionally steer Russian defenses in the wrong direction, etc.
So bear these considerations in mind. Yes, there is still a possibility that it is basically disinfo. Particularly because the timing of the leaked release so ‘conveniently’ falls right on the eve of the big AFU offensive.
Reuters claims the following:
Russia or pro-Russian elements are likely behind the leak of several classified US military documents posted on social media, Reuters reported.
However, there are certain extenuating circumstances that heavily point to the leaks being real. Which are namely that: there is apparently a much larger trove of leaked data that is floating around, in fact most of it is not even related to Russia / Ukraine and is in fact much more serious and ‘sensitive’ as per U.S. sources, as it pertains to highly secretive internal transmissions regarding China, the Middle East, and more. You can read about it on this new NYTimes article.
And secondly, there are a lot of pieces of info in the leaks which wouldn’t make logical sense in revealing if it was simple disinfo. For instance, revealing how many NATO/Western spy/intel assets are operating in Ukraine, etc. Such things only serve as evidence for Russia of U.S./West’s collusion an secret provocations/escalations, and serve as future legal proof of the West being the antagonist and initiator in the conflict, which gives Russia major legal and geopolitical advantages. That to me is too big of an oversight.
Also, the fact that much of it paints Russia in a favorable light, in terms of the pure numbers. If it was a deliberate leak, one would think they would sneak in some embarrassing or discrediting info about the Russian military, to paint it unfavorably, at least to some extent. Why let the world know how low Russia’s losses really are, for instance?
I’m partial to believing the flipside of the coin, which is that it was leaked on the eve of the offensive by disgruntled internal NATO employees wishing to sabotage the operation. Although it could be ‘part of the plan’, I don’t think the Biden admin would go so hard in trying to scrub the data off the internet if it were a real disinfo campaign.
And lastly, very little in the leak is actually ‘surprising’ or unknown information because much of it very accurately reflects all the projections that those of us who are on the ball have been making, and so it serves more as a confirmation of known facts. If it were true disinfo, I would expect that it would have some ‘surprising’ shocks that we didn’t anticipate, which would attempt to steer our analysis in some deflected direction, but it in fact confirms everything we’ve been seeing and reporting in many significant ways.
The rest of the article analyzes the docs chapter and verse….
I recommend everyone read it in it’s entirety.
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Apr 8 2023 15:46 utc | 202
Surferket @115: “I live in China and Chinese social media are very open about the war in Ukraine. Lots of videos showing grenades dropped on Wagners in trenches. Latest is 3 groups of Wagners entered a building and got blown up when the Nazis detonated the building.”
First of all, I would like to point out there are a number of reasons why Chinese public media is probably the most trustworthy in the world right now, assuming you are the type of person who needs media they can trust so they can consume it unprocessed (unlike those such as our host here at the bar who have skills at filtering out the false narratives from crap media like 100% of what is available in the US and EU to find nuggets of truth).
- A great deal of Chinese mass media, while publicly owned, is not directly under central control. The media control is most often distributed among various organizations, usually centered in large municipalities.
- Chinese mass media does not have “legacy credibility” they can lean on to sell lies like the BBC and the
New YorkLangley Times can. On the contrary, because the CPC, universally maligned by 100% of the global capitalist mass media, remains in the background casting a shadow over Chinese media, Chinese media must be scrupulous in their honesty and earn their credibility with every minute of their programming. - The Chinese don’t have any skin in the game of most issues that western media consumers fixate on. Sure, China would be in deep trouble if the plans by the Empire of Delusions to balkanize Russia succeed, but that remains abstract think tank analysis level stuff that doesn’t really shape the daily media presentation very much.
- Society-wide, Chinese professionals are still in the process of building modern professionalism into their trades. Unlike slack and slovenly, and frankly incompetent, “professionals” in the West who are coasting through their careers using ossified and formulaic work patterns and solutions, the Chinese conception of professionalism is still in its growth phase and must constantly be checked and proven by the professionals themselves. US professionalism peaked long ago and is deep into decline, while Chinese professionalism is ascendant. Of course, this applies to media professionals as well.
- Even assuming the most paranoid notions about Chinese media that has been brainwashed into western media consumers by capitalism to be true, the supposed sinister and subtle disinformation hidden in Chinese mass media would be tailored for the assumptions and prejudices of Chinese audiences, so that disinformation would be powerless against western media consumers.
Thus, for westerners, Chinese mass media is easily the most trustworthy on the planet.
With that said…
Where does Chinese mass media get their basic information to present to their viewers? They have some reporters on the ground, but for the combat videos they are relying on the same TG and Twitter videos as the rest of us.
Keep that in mind as I pursue what might seem like a tangent.
The West has dumped scores of $billions into supporting the Ukrainian Nazis. Only a fraction of that has been in the form of combat weapons and supplies, largely because the West doesn’t really have much more in weapons and munitions to offer. So where has the rest gone?
Sure, a lot of the $billions has “evaporated” into graft and corruption at all levels from Biden himself down to the Nazi officers near the front. But remember the American approach to graft and corruption, which is that it is spread around to keep happy other corrupt powerful entities who might otherwise raise a stink for not getting their “fair share” of the pillaged wealth.
So America doesn’t really have a whole lot of artillery it can give to the war effort, but what industry does America have a lot of that is being applied to the war? Marketing and mass media, of course!
I am sure readers have seen posts on Twitter showing things that are not going well for the Ukrainian Nazis. Naturally, readers have also seen the flood of replies to those posts from paid NAFO (North America Fatties Online?) trolls asserting that the parent post was fabricated in a Soviet movie studio somewhere or other such drivel. Why are they so quick to make assertions that video is being faked? Because the NAFO trolls know that volumes of video on social media are being faked.
Now ask yourself which country not only has the larger marketing/mass media industry by overwhelmingly huge margins, but also has the financial resources (don’t need steel or an industrial workforce, just a bunch of mouth-breathers with some studio equipment… think “White Hats”) to mobilize that industry in the war effort. Unless you are a complete moron you can easily see that it is the US that is investing heavily in fake videos marketing materials for its war against Russia.
Back to the point of this post: While the Chinese are probably trying their hardest to present even handed accounts of the conflict in the Ukraine, and they are doubtless trying equally hard to vet video material they use in their programs, the fact remains that the information space is flooded on the western side with the best fakes Hollywood and Madison Ave can produce and all the bullshit that western corporate mass media can shout in chorus (directed by the CIA at the conductor’s podium waving their “Mockingbird” baton). When you pick the halfway point between utter bullshit and the truth you will always still end up with bullshit, regardless of your intentions.
Again, the Chinese mass media is without doubt the most trustworthy on the planet right now. That doesn’t mean they are right all the time.
Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 8 2023 15:59 utc | 203
@Deplorable Commissar | Apr 8 2023 14:53 utc | 198
Russia China Military Alliance would p1ss off India big-time – key trade asset for RF
All three are in SCO … so Russia to mediate etc or at least keep them in same room …
The India – China border disputes from the lines drawn by the Raj a problem and not recognised …
Brief update here — 16 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HX3gjRmNSE
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 8 2023 16:03 utc | 204
RE: Authenticity of the recent leaked docs queries
Posted by: Slat1 | Apr 8 2023 15:20 utc | 200
The “leaked” documents were as authentic as a sail boat with
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 8 2023 2:26 utc | 111
And et al.
See this from Larry Johnson who is adamant the docs are authentic.
https://sonar21.com/new-leaks-of-u-s-nato-military-intelligence-documents-alarms-washington/
NEW LEAKS OF U.S./NATO MILITARY INTELLIGENCE DOCUMENTS ALARMS WASHINGTON
Washington, you have a problem. News broke late today that a new batch of classified documents have hit the internet and the Biden Administration is scrambling to put a band aid on a sucking chest wound[.]
Let me state up front what I believe — these documents are authentic and the leak probably did not originate from the NATO countries. Why? Because several are marked “NOFORN”, which means those documents with that marking are for U.S. eyes only. In other words, not to be shared with foreigners, such as the UK, France, Germany and, especially, Ukraine. Here is one example of a NOFORN document:
[doc]
Look at the section in the lower left hand quadrant. The date of this document is 1 March 2023. It provides a list of the allied countries that are providing training to Ukrainian forces on a variety of weapons systems and other military skills. I was surprised to learn that Germany is doing the bulk of the training, according to this document.
Some have speculated that this is a deliberate leak by the U.S. to “confuse” the Russians. Sorry kids, that is nonsense. The information revealed in these documents is not going to be accepted at face value by Russian intelligence analysts. They will contrast and compare with their own robust stores of intelligence in order to corroborate or flag as disinformation. [.]
L J is a veteran of the 3-letter groupies that you never ever leave.
Read his several replies to comments within.
Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 8 2023 16:04 utc | 205
Re. Post by: JessDTruth on Apr 8 2023 14:32 @ 196
Thanks for the insight. I was a subscriber for many years in the ’80’s and after Cockburn died let my subscription lapse. No regrets as St. Clair was always tits on a boar, writing about the environment or things that I had no interest in. I kept my subscription to the AVA for many years until they stopped the print editions. Bruce Anderson was at least informative and entertaining.
Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Apr 8 2023 16:05 utc | 206
for b, Germany and Russia, nice views of the Hermitage Museum :
Till Lindemann – Любимый город
God help us.
Posted by: Fabrice | Apr 8 2023 16:07 utc | 207
@113 outraged
I think its too soon to talk about munition stockpiles. As someone else said it’s virtually certain the west is lying about what they send.
There’s going to be far more than the leaked document says. It must be all lies. 100-200 tanks always seemed dumb, it was never going to be enough and everyone knows it.
I surmise their Air Defence must be getting better, planes are still getting shot down,and missle strikes are now closer to the front.
More reality tested information is needed to draw better conclusions though.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 8 2023 16:13 utc | 208
many great and insightful posts.. thanks guys and gals…. special shout out to a few here – @ 204 william gruff – @ outraged – all posts.. @ norweigan, @ unimperator, @ down south, @ JessDTruth
i probably missed a few.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Apr 8 2023 16:15 utc | 209
“i remember posts in a similar tone from the syrian war. I think that these things require complex production processes and having reverse engineered technically information is not always as useful as it seems.”
Posted by: Cresty | Apr 7 2023 20:12 utc | 36
Perhaps you should tell the Iranians that, so they don’t go wasting any more time on reverse engineering that US drone they electronically inveigled into landing safely in their territory.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 8 2023 16:30 utc | 210
Guys – apply some critical thinking.
The leaked docs could be authentic AND deliberately leaked by the CIA/NSA.
I have not done a deep dive but nothing I’ve read yet seems that TOP Secret. Maybe a little embarrassing. So what if it’s a deliberate psy-op to kill two birds with one stone?
Make Russia overconfident or create a distraction (more of a bonus)
Ensnare a bunch of high profile bloggers in handling classified data and also catch internal leakers (honeypot)
Now if something really damaging comes out, maybe that means we have a mole.
It would need to be something juicier that Ukraine is running low on wunderwaffen. Maybe battle plans for a surprise attack involving US Marines or Biden has AIDS.
Posted by: Chris | Apr 8 2023 16:56 utc | 211
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Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 8 2023 17:25 utc | 212
many great and insightful posts.. thanks guys and gals…. special shout out to a few here – @ 204 william gruff – @ outraged – all posts.. @ norweigan, @ unimperator, @ down south, @ JessDTruth
i probably missed a few.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Apr 8 2023 16:15 utc | 210
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This does not sound like James. ????
Posted by: Ed | Apr 8 2023 17:33 utc | 213
Translated by Telegram
Crime and Punishment.
The schismatic of the OCU died during the capture of the church by the canonical UOC.
The situation occurred in the village of Lipovets, Kyiv region. According to eyewitnesses, the man became ill after he took away and threw away the cross from the priest. The attacker fell and died on the spot.
The Union of Orthodox Journalists of Ukraine writes that the deceased is the former mayor of the city of Kagarlyk, Ivan Semtsov, who organized the seizure of the church together with the village headman.
Throughout Ukraine, representatives of the schismatic OCU are expelled from churches by priests of the canonical UOC.
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Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 8 2023 17:34 utc | 214
From and Martyanov:
About This “Leak”…
… of Pentagon “documents” related to VSU. OK, I am not going to beat around the bush here–the only real interest in those “documents” is their “origin” in purely internal American game of shells with the catastrophe it is getting, when their plan was to triumph and humiliate Russia. Period. In terms of valuable military information those “documents” contain none, other than confirmation of Pentagon being at a complete loss while facing the facts of SMO. Peskov’s response to this “leak” is right on the money.
“We don’t have the slightest doubt about direct or indirect involvement of the US and NATO in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine,” Dmitry Peskov told CNN in a statement. “This level of involvement is rising gradually,” he added. “We keep our eye on this process. Well, of course, it makes the whole story more complicated, but it cannot influence the final outcome of the special operation.”
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 8 2023 17:37 utc | 215
Posted by: Thim | Apr 7 2023 20:38 utc | 42
Wow. No one would have expected *another* poster with a carefully crafted non-jewish looking nickname from hell aviv. We’re flabbergasted. Baffled!
Posted by: Mike | Apr 8 2023 17:39 utc | 216
What is likely to happen??
All i know is predicting Russian moves is somewhat frustrating. I never got a single thing right ever since they got into the syrian mess. Good thing so far is, they always decide on something better than i could imagine.
So many permutations. Now the Americans want a polish lithuanian union. How about throwing Latvia and Estonia in too?
Polish-baltic-Galician Union strikes Russia. Russia loses kaliningrad but finally gains the baltics and all the pro Russian areas in Ukraine. The baltic people and the Russians in kaliningrad exchanged.
All I am sure of is, the war is much more than about Ukraine and that the moves by India China Iran and even the Saudis were all pre planned.
Just not sure why the Americans seem to do everything that the Russians would wish them to do. Is it related to the choreographed covid moves?
Posted by: chola3 | Apr 8 2023 17:51 utc | 217
“Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev believes that no-one in the world needs Ukraine, therefore it will cease to exist.”
“Ukrainian state is not needed to Europe, the US, Africa, Latin America, Asia, Russia and, finally, Ukrainian people themselves.”
Poland has been trying to annex the Western parts like Hitler’s Germany did Austria in the “Anschluss” in 1938.
https://tass.com/politics/1601631
Of course, Russia is likely to accept many of the soon-to-be-former regions of Ukraine into Russia.
Posted by: barstool | Apr 8 2023 17:54 utc | 218
Outraged | Apr 8 2023 1:14 utc | 94
You are without a doubt the biggest dipshit on this site. But good for a laugh. Probably have a small dick as well.
Posted by: Beth | Apr 8 2023 17:58 utc | 219
I get the impression that Ukraine grows tired of being used as meat-hammer. Hence the leak. Not that I would accept the leak as authentic, but on the possibility that it is.
Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2023 18:21 utc | 220
Another estimate of UA counteroffensive force. Note speculation of drones to replace air support.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/27291
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/27292
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/27293
On the expected AFU offensive:
The main offensive fist is suppose to be made up of 9 Brigades that have or are undergoing Nato training and equipped largely with foreign equipment.
Based on some open source info they will have
— 253 Tanks
— 381 IFVs
— 480 APCs & other light armoured vehicles
— 147 Artillery of variuos types
Depending on how fully manned these units are and there will also be several Ter-Def Bgd added as support, the numerical strength is estimated at 20 000 men + another 10 000 in reserve and support units
Deployment map with 3 main offensive groupings marked.
🇺🇦Tanks for the “Spring Offensive”
By the end of April it’s expected the AFU will have the following Tanks available:
43 Т-64
38 Т-72
31 PT-91 Twardy
28 Т-55S
32 Leo-2А4
14 Leo-2А6
14 Challenger 2
14 АMX-10.
Another 53 tanks of unknown type are also expected in this time period…perhaps Leopard-Is will be delivered.
The main Artillery types
M-109 SP Guns + a smaller number of AS-90s
The rest are towed guns: M-777, FH-70 and D-30s (although 122mm ammo is aparently in short supply)
Also various MRLS
The lack of any major air-support, they plan to make up with a mass deployment of drones. They’ve reportedly have about 5000 drone operators
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 8 2023 18:26 utc | 221
Just not sure why the Americans seem to do everything that the Russians would wish them to do. Is it related to the choreographed covid moves?
Posted by: chola3 | Apr 8 2023 17:51 utc | 218
The “Americans” if you study them a bit, are very predictable, and obstinate in maintaining the correctness of their views too.
For example, “Americans” always (95%+) double down on failed policies rather than give things a re-think. Hence the demand for a new “offensive” for another PR “win”, which will be a “game-changer” this time, rather than look into cutting ones losses now.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 8 2023 18:34 utc | 222
❗️🇺🇦 Destruction of the hangar with the HIMARS MLRS in Orekhovo
Today at 17.30 artillery units of the 58th Army of the Russian Armed Forces attacked the hangars on the territory of the Orekhovskoye elevator near the railway station in Orekhovo in the Zaporozhye region.
In warehouses located closer to the football field, there were two HIMARS MLRS launchers, one M777 155-mm towed howitzer, several unidentified armored vehicles, and artillery ammunition.
As a result of the impact with a package of 300-mm Smerch multiple rocket launchers and 20 shells of the 152-mm towed gun “Hyacinth”, the hangars for storing weapons and equipment were completely destroyed, and the glow from the detonation was visible for many kilometers from Orekhovo.
With a high degree of probability, weapons, and military equipment were transferred to Orekhov in preparation for the offensive to provide fire support for ground forces during the assault on Russian positions, and their loss will significantly affect the combat capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye region.
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Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 8 2023 18:36 utc | 223
The Armed Forces continue to lose control over Bakhmut despite the transfer of significant reserves, less than 10% of the city remains under our control. Syrsky at the beginning of the week warned Zelensky about a negative scenario for the Ukrainian army and asked him to start an information campaign on the need to leave positions in Bakhmut, since the city had fulfilled its strategic importance.
The only question that remains is what prevented politicians from recognizing this a month ago and saving thousands of lives of Ukrainian soldiers, hundreds of pieces of equipment, no one can say the confidence of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in victories.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17214
Posted by: Down South | Apr 8 2023 18:46 utc | 224
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦🤚 The Situation in #Bakhmut⚡️
🔹District Internat:
It is almost completely under the control of Wagner PMC units. Assault squads have already approached the Elevator area, having reached the fork in the railroad tracks.
🔹District Zone:
PMC ‘Wagner’ took the Metallurg Stadium and approached Kuznechnaya Street. The advanced positions of the “musicians” are located in the Upper Park area. The railway station and the Church of All Saints are still under enemy control.
🔹Avangard Stadium Area:
The alignment of the front line along Bakhmutskaya and Rozhdestvenskaya streets has been completed.
🔹Fighting Continues in the areas of Poselok, Vodokanal and Samolet, as well as near the suburbs of #Khromovo and #Ivanovskoye (#Krasnoye).
📌 Contrary to the reports of a number of media and Telegram channels, the AFU continue to offer fierce resistance. No one retreated from the strong point between Korsunsky and Chaykovsky streets either. The supply route from Chasov Yar has not yet been physically cut. Reports of the fall of #Bakhmut are, to put it mildly, premature.
The fighters of the Wagner PMC are doing their job well, but there is no need to run ahead of the locomotive.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 8 2023 18:49 utc | 225
Beth | Apr 8 2023 17:58 utc | 220
please keep that kind of language for your near & dear.
Posted by: @vec | Apr 8 2023 18:55 utc | 226
Latest from Weeb Union YouTube channel:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpJzGjCBvI
Posted by: Chris | Apr 8 2023 19:16 utc | 227
@anon2020 | Apr 8 2023 18:26 utc | 222
A strange thing about drone operators: they emit radio signals. How long will it take RF to target them? Will the 5000 be located in groups in bunkers, or deployed near the troops? Either large numbers could be eliminated at once, or they will pinpoint other operations. Aren’t the operators are more valuable targets than the drones?
Posted by: barstool | Apr 8 2023 19:21 utc | 228
“Anything written by the MSM is false. So if the MSM is telling you Ukraine is out of shells it means they have surpluss. If they are leaking stories about an attack in the sount, the attack is going to be in the north.
Posted by: steve | Apr 8 2023 14:40 utc | 197”
Agree.
This pertains to the leaked docs, also. If the docs contain some legitimate data, that could be deliberately included to make the docs appear authentic. A gigantic psyop. The NYT even lifted its paywall to maximize exposure.
“On one of the Solovyov affiliated channels (Evstafiev/Vityazeva) I read this interesting hypothesis about the coming operation. That the offensive will be aimed deep into Russian territory as much as possible – Moscow, Saint Petersburg, the border areas. The ukrops and their AS minders know this to be one of the weak points of the Russian society regarding the war.
Posted by: Boo | Apr 8 2023 9:46 utc | 163”
Aligns with what’s been said elsewhere: that the plan involves missile and terror attacks throughout Russia–to demoralize, create confusion, divert attention. As others have noted, it is highly likely the US and UK have secretly provided Ukraine with every type of missile, etc.
Why does anyone believe anything from the MSM? Or anything Milley and the other psychopaths say in public? The US’ long-term project is to destroy Russia. It’s going to throw everything at it. Every moral individual wants Russia to prevail and to break the US’ kneecaps, so to speak. Let’s hope Russia has the intel, equipment, forces to definitively crush Ukraine, NATO, the U.S.
Posted by: MG | Apr 8 2023 19:51 utc | 229
@ Norwegian | Apr 8 2023 18:36 utc | 224
Although news on such de-weaponizations are cool, I still have serious doubts that NATO is running low on its stocks and publicly pretends it is in trouble with supplies.
As in ammo, as well as in tanks and all the other hardware.
Never trust NATO acting as a major supplier of Ukraine ever since 2014 and even before is now suddenly whining – it is exactly the opposite.
I think they are loaded.
But to destroy such big or important ammo/weapon dumps is gradually a trend that is going to be observed more often now.
In general those Ukrainian numbers of tanks and vehicles that are known to us, if true, are simply not enough to do any serious impact on the battlespace, at all.
Maybe with many rotary wings and attack planes in a support of ongoing assault on a certain ‘pressure point’, but Ukraine is simply not able to do that and RF will obliterate every such attempt of combined warfare.
NATO forces also stand no chance there with all their bells and whistles.
What NATO’s ‘ninja move’ could be is to stockpile its best to avail equipment in the West of Ukraine, but not for Ukrainians, but more for their combat personnel to move quickly in positions when they do.
And eventually NATO will move in openly to Ukraine at some point.
Will that be in shape of a Polish and Baltic militaries helped with additional US/NATO troops, it remains to be seen.
Posted by: whirlX | Apr 8 2023 19:55 utc | 230
@ whirlX, §231:
If Poland and, say, Lithuania go into the Ukraine and Russia retaliated, would they (Pol. & Lith) be able to trigger Art 5?
My understanding would be “No” since they weren´t attacked: they did the attacking.
Posted by: John Marks | Apr 8 2023 20:17 utc | 231
@ Ed | Apr 8 2023 17:33 utc | 214
hey ed.. yeah – that was me.. thanks.. i tend to say very little on these open ukee threads..
Posted by: james | Apr 8 2023 20:21 utc | 232
The leaked documents come out at the same time as the report on the failed withdrawal from Afghanistan. It seems to me that the US is planting scapegoats. If and when the spring offensive turns out to be a flop, the US can blame the leaks and whomever it says is behind the leaks, probably the Ukies themselves.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 8 2023 20:22 utc | 233
@ Norwegian | Apr 8 2023 18:36 utc | 224
that is certainly good news…
Posted by: james | Apr 8 2023 20:23 utc | 234
Gonzalo Lira just claimed on Twitter he has some sources according to which the leaked Pentagon document is authentic. If that data in them is authentic, namely running out of S-300 and BUK-M1 missiles shortly, which are still most important part of air defense, and very low fill and training ratios of the new 12-13 brigades, things ain’t looking too hot for Nato.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2023 20:31 utc | 235
Does anyone have a link to the leaked documents, including the ones about China? It seems the pentagon is not happy and I would like to read for myself what has them so up in arms. Not behind a paywall or any sign in site please.
Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Apr 8 2023 20:51 utc | 236
❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Destruction of the hangar with MLRS HIMARS in Orekhovo
Today at 17.30 artillery units of the 58th Army of the Russian Armed Forces attacked the hangars on the territory of the Orekhovskoye elevator near the railway station in Orekhovo in the Zaporizhia region.
In warehouses located closer to the football field, there were two HIMARS MLRS launchers, one M777 155-mm towed howitzer, several unidentified armored vehicles and artillery ammunition.
As a result of the impact with a package of 300-mm Smerch multiple launch rocket system and 20 shells of the 152-mm towed gun “Hyacinth”, the hangars for storing weapons and equipment were completely destroyed, and the glow from the detonation was visible for many kilometers from Orekhovo.
With a high degree of probability, weapons and military equipment were transferred to Orekhov in preparation for the offensive to provide fire support for ground forces during the assault on Russian positions, and their loss will significantly affect the combat capabilities of the AFU in the Zaporizhia region.
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Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2023 21:17 utc | 237
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 8 2023 18:26 utc | 222
Resorting to compensating for a lack of capability, by inferior platform substitution, to achieve equivalence’s of outcome is a key indicator that Ukraine is in the mid-late stages of her death spiral. Drones are as much a substitute for conventional aerial platforms as a panzerfaust armed soldier is to an assault gun (itself a substitute), or an Me 163 to a Fw 190.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2023 21:28 utc | 238
Today I returned home from a trip with my family to Weimar (Germany), to walk in the footsteps of Goethe, Schiller, Herder and Wieland.
Right in front of the “Deutsches Nationaltheater” there is the famous statue of Goethe and Schiller. And right behind them – at the balcony of the theater – there is a sign saying “Diplomatie! JETZT! Frieden” meaning “Diplomacy! NOW! Peace”.
You can see it here live via this webcam:
https://www.thueringer-webcams.de/kunden/mdr/weimar/livebild-pal.jpg
I found that quite interesting in the light of the fact that “diplomacy” is kind of a shunned term in Germany, at the moment. At least regarding Ukraine and Russia.
But at least as interesting was our visit to the house of Friedrich Schiller. There is an ante room in the Schiller museum, which circles around the topic “Europe” and the European anthem “Ode to Joy”. It also shows a short movie of a musical concert to show “solidarity” with Ukraine, some time ago, in front of the mentioned theater. In this video clip the sign “Diplomacy! NOW! Peace” is also visible. But the camera very quickly shifts to the right, away from the word “Diplomacy!” – leaving only the words “NOW! Peace” on the screen.
Honi soit qui mal y pense…
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 8 2023 21:34 utc | 239
[ Album ]
“Hell near Kherson”: Russian Aerospace Forces inflict massive strikes with “smart bombs” at places of accumulation of equipment and militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Summary from local resources:
▪️“Right now, Russian SU-35s are attacking the Kherson region, along the front line. There’s hell…”
▪️The military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine report that there is a threat of launching aerial bombs in the Kherson region.
▪️ Explosions in the Berislav region.
▪️Airplanes re-fly to the launch lines, more launches are possible
▪️More launches.
▪️Continue to run.
▪️ After the arrivals, the light went out in the suburbs.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/27892
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2023 21:56 utc | 240
@Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 8 2023 21:34 utc | 240
‘…in the footsteps of Goethe, Schiller, Herder and Wieland.
Great thinkers in the German tradition … and from Kant onwards … Frankfurt School, Habermas, and many others …
Yet, present German leadership is not acting in the best interests of the German people … more like tame pussy-cats at beck and call of its master …
… I have huge respect for the German intellectual tradition and its contribution to West European philosophy and culture … but the present lot are a disgrace … nor am I a fan of German Ordoliberalism which screwed Ireland, Portugal and Greece post 2008 ..
How do I explain it? I can’t … I’m at a loss … I feel let down …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 8 2023 22:07 utc | 241
@unimperator | Apr 8 2023 21:56 utc | 241
Might have something to do with that long range rocket [400km] apparently launched from near Odessa and intercepted to the east of Crimea … as reported by Dima a few hours ago …
… with such rockets the Kerch bridge can be taken out …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 8 2023 22:12 utc | 242
Hit in Berislav looked like the explosion of the Tsar bomba, on the infrared camera. Ammunition dump.
“The most powerful explosions: “Smart bomb” flew into the ammunition depot of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region
During a massive strike, the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed an enemy military facility in the Berislav region, where the Armed Forces of Ukraine concentrated equipment and ammunition.”
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/27897
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2023 22:19 utc | 243
Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 8 2023 9:36 utc | 162
Thanks Alex. I wrote a follow-up that addresses your concerns. https://aaronlee.substack.com/p/ruble-vs-yuan-part-2
@JustAnotherAussie | Apr 8 2023 20:51 utc | 237
Does anyone have a link to the leaked documents, including the ones about China? It seems the pentagon is not happy and I would like to read for myself what has them so up in arms. Not behind a paywall or any sign in site please.
The leaked documents were first uploaded onto some “Minecraft server”. They were then shared by someone named “MrLucca” on March 2, 2023. MrLucca had 16 followers yesterday, when he deleted his Twitter account. (archive)
Originally at least 107 pages were leaked. The US document on Ukraine has at least 37 pages. I have found 15 of them. The best source was the /chug/ subthread on the /pol/ board on 4Chan. You can find a collage of 14 of the pages on these two posts:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/422794365#p422801578
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/422794365#p422801130
To find the originals, you can go to yesterday’s subpages of the subthread. Start with this page and go backward following the “previous” links.
Telegram only allows low resolution photographs. 4Chan has several of the pages in higher resolution. The page that is missing from the 4Chan collage is a detailed table of the depletion rate of Ukraine’s air defense missiles. I only found it on Twitter.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2023 22:26 utc | 245
“Outraged | Apr 8 2023 1:14 utc | 94
You are without a doubt the biggest dipshit on this site. But good for a laugh. Probably have a small dick as well.
Posted by: Beth | Apr 8 2023 17:58 utc | 220”
A little projection me thinks, you psych ops troll!! Outraged must be over target and they need to attack. The psych ops minions seem fascinated with penises. Probably a not suppressed envy…
Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 8 2023 22:28 utc | 246
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2023 22:26 utc | 246
Thanks for the page on A/D missiles. Based on those two pages alone, I’m gonna call it and say that no one would make such detailed stuff just for decoy purposes. Everything that’s written there sounds very realistic, the assesment of capabilities and even how SA-11 running out increase burden on SA-10, which will then run out faster. Etc. You just don’t make that stuff up to fool someone.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 8 2023 22:34 utc | 247
More stuff from 4Chan: An interesting collection of Ukraine video. No previews, but all downloadable.
https://rentry.org/7rspn
▶NEW CLIPS
M109 Lanceted
https://files.catbox.moe/yy5c3x.MP4
Front Line Poem from Russian Soldier
https://files.catbox.moe/bu2qnu.mp4
Bakhmut Road of Death
https://files.catbox.moe/pjsst2.mp4
Wagner dumping RPG’s during urban battle
https://files.catbox.moe/3v59og.mp4
Assault on Vodyanoe by Donetsk guys (long)
https://files.catbox.moe/pnqtnz.MP4
+ 50 more pages…
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2023 22:36 utc | 248
A Ukrainian offensive?
Imagine Operation Barbarossa minus the Wehrmacht, just the SA the SS, the Rumanians etc…
Posted by: bevin | Apr 8 2023 23:16 utc | 249
@ Neofeudalfuture | Apr 8 2023 16:13 utc | 209
Okay, Baghdad Bob.
@ Chris | Apr 8 2023 16:56 utc | 212
@ Likklemore | Apr 8 2023 16:04 utc | 206
Material classified Top Secret is not what you likely perceive/imagine it to be. The truly ‘interesting’ classified material, from your perspective, would be TS Codeword(Single or multiple)(NOFORN, AUSCANUKUS(The core 4 of the 5-Eyes(+3))), & then, SCI. Serial over-classification means most TS material since 2000’s, certainly now, would have only been classified Secret 60’s thru 90’s.
As have pointed out before, materiel is excessively, way over classified far & wide on an industrial scale, and 85% of classified data ‘content’ re collection & analysis comes from open source, the difference being, once corroborated and assessed for credibility & reliability becomes, classified.
The Docu are authentic.
@ Ed | Apr 8 2023 17:33 utc | 214
‘Tis james.
@ Beth | Apr 8 2023 17:58 utc | 220
Ah, our resident impostor & provocateur is back. Banned Sean_UA.
@ MG | Apr 8 2023 19:51 utc | 230
Everything, everywhere, all at once, it is all a lie and cannot be believed ? Sad. 🙁
@ Milites | Apr 8 2023 21:28 utc | 239
Quite. Briefing it for months … obvious from start Dec’22.
Posted by: Lalita | Apr 8 2023 6:44 utc | 148
Still ratios with the US GDP at 1/4. Not exactly ‘discrediting’ myself there.
@natokraine @karlof1
Now 14 for Oregon. Must be something in the water. Or not in the water, like fluoride, which all right-thinking people have…
Posted by: Boris Badenov | Apr 9 2023 0:02 utc | 252
Jim Kavanagh, on precariously towering hypocrisy…
Everybody knows who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline, and everybody knows who engineered the ICC’s arrest warrant for Putin. The former explosion destroyed the infrastructure of Russian-European economic relations. The latter is a deadly shaped charge that demolishes the remnants of a credible international justice system.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 9 2023 0:10 utc | 253
archive.is not working?
Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2023 22:26 utc | 246
The leaked documents were first uploaded onto some “Minecraft server”. They were then shared by someone named “MrLucca” on March 2, 2023. MrLucca had 16 followers yesterday, when he deleted his Twitter account. (archive)
The archive link was missing. Here it is:
https://archive.is/https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com/MrLucca/with_replies
For some reason I am unable to access archive.is today. The browser complains about ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH. This may be related to the leaked NATO material on the server somewhere.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 9 2023 0:15 utc | 254
@ Petri Krohn | Apr 9 2023 0:15 utc | 255
Archive.today(is, md, etc) & your link are accessible. DNS Poisoned ? HTTPS/Cert interception ?
Certificate is valid & current:
Common Name archive.is
Not Before Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:10:16 GMT
Not After Fri, 09 Jun 2023 22:10:15 GMT
DNS Name archive.is
DNS Name blog.archive.is
DNS Name http://www.archive.is
Suggest try alternate DNS
Those ever-wise Ukrainians summon themselves their Gleiwitz moment.
https://t.me/Z_memes/26978
“Poles, those bastrards and treacherous bitches, conspire to steal out city of Lviv! I call all the nationally-aware Ukrainians living in Poland to rise up!”
Of genius. In 2023 – of double-genius.
Posted by: Ariоch | Apr 9 2023 0:41 utc | 256
FYI
Ukraine’s Coming Offensive: Leaked NATO Plans + Lack of Arms Brian Bertelic, The New Atlas, 52Mins ago, Youtube 57m46s
Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for April 9, 2023:
– US arms shipments have drastically dwindled, the majority of weapons pledged require contracts that will take weeks, months, even years to fulfill;
– The NYT admits arms shipments may not be adequate for the upcoming Ukrainian offensive expected to begin within 2-3 weeks;
– Leaked NATO plans regarding Ukraine may have been fabricated by NATO and leaked through authentic means to reinforce other ongoing deceptions;
– 2013 US government-funded polls regarding Crimea and Ukraine indicate that the nation was divided, many favored Russia or had affinity for Russia and the Russian language was at least as widely spoken nationwide as Ukrainian; + refs links
@ Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2023 22:26 utc
Thank you for that. I shall troll through those 4chan threads to see if I can find more.
Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Apr 9 2023 0:51 utc | 258
@ Ariоch | Apr 9 2023 0:41 utc | 257
Brave, heroic, rabid little Nazi, safe in Poland, where he fled as a refugee, so as to avoid mobilization, and having to don a uniform & fight. Pft.
@ JustAnotherAussie | Apr 9 2023 0:51 utc | 259
Would be appreciated, did a brief dive & navigating 4chan(?) was cumbersome & unfamiliar, let alone the constant offense & affront to my delicate sensibilities. 😉
Most interested in the non-Ukraine leaks, suspect that’s almost certainly much more damaging for Empire …
Peace
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 8 2023 21:34 utc | 240.
Right in front of the “Deutsches Nationaltheater” there is the famous statue of Goethe and Schiller. And right behind them – at the balcony of the theater – there is a sign saying “Diplomatie! JETZT! Frieden” meaning “Diplomacy! NOW! Peace”.
Many thanks for sharing, Helmuth! We have no real chance of knowing how many Germans object to their state’s policy. I am sure we are many. Like you say, “peace” and “diplomacy” have become negatively connotated words, exemplified in statements like “peace talks only after Russia withdraws troops behind February 2022 borders” (this seems to be the official government point of view).
During our trip to the old home over Christmas, we noted a LOT of street painting saying “DAS IST NICHT UNSER KRIEG” (“This is not our war”) and by painting I mean up to 1 meter high letters, paint on stone — not sprayed. These were all over the place, at least in Eastern Berlin. I’ve been looking for media coverage, and it was very sparse. Here’s an article from Swiss Weltwoche, starting with a photograph of what I’m talking about.
Posted by: Konami | Apr 9 2023 1:24 utc | 260
It’s all speculation as to the great spring ukie counter-offensive with many, many contesting opinions as to what form it will take when it will happen and even will it happen?
For me, it is difficult to believe it won’t happen at all, as amerika’s domestic audience the one which matters above all else to amerika’s politicians, would have to pull a huge alternative rabbit outta their hat to maintain credibility for ongoing support of ukraine if there were to be no spring offensive at all.
The only scenario that really concerns is the offensive kicks off, is trounced from the word go by what the west says & somehow shows are dreadful inhuman Russian tactics, that provides some type of excuse for nato forces to become directly, overtly involved.
That is a tough scenario to envisage, especially one with sustainable and credible Russian inhumanity because levels of trust in the ptb even by Jo/Joe Bloggs corporate media consumers are at an all time low.
War is war but even with that cliche, Russia has been working very hard sometimes to their side’s detriment to ensure atrocities, especially civilian casualties have been kept to a minimum.
Sustaining a false flag atrocity in the current environment would be difficult, even if it were just for the couple of weeks the empire believes it would take to put down Russian forces.
In addition, putting sufficient nato forces on standby beforehand, let alone transporting them close to the warzone would be impossible to achieve without leaks, a lot of leaks, as it would take much more than combined special forces squads to effect change to the conflict’s momentum IMO.
However there is one area where I reckon that citizens of the west and hopefully (if yer a natofanboi) Russia, has been successfully fed a line of total bulldust and that is the repetitive coming from all angles claims that the Ukies are critically short of ammunition, especially artillery and air defence ammunition.
Frankly that belief is spread so far and wide, from so many sources, that I’m increasingly convinced that it is a crock.
eg Christoforou has reported that the ukies have recently even gone to Cyprus, tiny Cyprus begging for ammo.
Why?
There is no way in the world that even if Cyprus were dumb enough to give the Ukies everything they had – which they didn’t they outright refused any ammo at all, that every bullet of Cyprus’ ammo would run for more than about 10 minutes before it was consumed.
It seems to me that this visit was more about making sure that word got back to the RF – don’t forget that even after Cyprus cracked down on Russian ‘oligarchs’, there are still many Russian expats living on Cyprus – so the ukie minister of defence for this week turning up in Cyprus may be just a way to step up the misinformation about the state of ukraine’s parlous ammo situation, in the hope that Russian forces will be less concerned about any pending counter offensive, that in fact the ukies have plenty of artillery and AD ammunition.
Don’t forget that the ukies pleading poverty on this will also mollify their own forces who have been deliberately starved of ammo while a huge stockpile for the spring rush is consolidated. That is very easy to believe given the casual attitude that the Kiev parasites have displayed towards their own casualties thus far.
So I reckon the ammo shortage is just a furphy put out to deceive. Of course only time will tell, but whatever the outcome will be, Russia would be foolish to believe there is any truth in claims that ukies will be hard pressed for ammo anywhere along the line of contact if/when the counter-offensive kicks off.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 9 2023 2:01 utc | 261
@ Konami | Apr 9 2023 1:24 utc | 261
thanks for the link to that article… here is one of a number of comments that give me some hope that the people of germany are not in favour of this war… i wish it was the same here in canada, but i am not so sure..
“The (still silent) majority of German citizens do NOT want this war! Whether left, right or straight ahead. This is the war of our politicians and their paid propaganda media. Their “opinion polls” are also paid for. I very much hope that the Europeans of other countries will not fall for this lying propaganda. That would be fatal!”
Posted by: james | Apr 9 2023 2:28 utc | 262
@ Debsisdead | Apr 9 2023 2:01 utc | 262
The critical munitions shortage across the board is no ‘furphy’, especially AD missiles & ex-soviet 122mm & 152mm shells & Grad 122mm rockets which are by far the more numerous platforms, tubes & launchers still available to the AFU. It’s real, and as a consequence US/NATO is being disarmed/demilitarized as a secondary effect of the RF strategy re Ukraine conflict, Slow-SMO. Suspect you’re unlikely to be convinced, yet here is the latest DOD drawdown(withdrawn from existing service stocks(US formations Armories/Arsenals)(via Prez authority)) & contract issuance(offers, not necessarily accepted or even fulfilled subsequent) for desperately needed production which will take months thru years. Note concealing quantities implies embarrassingly deficient:
Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine April 4, 2023
…
The Presidential Drawdown is the thirty-fifth such drawdown of equipment from DoD inventories for Ukraine that the Biden Administration has authorized since August 2021.
The capabilities in this package include:
Additional munitions for Patriot air defense systems;
Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
155mm and 105mm artillery rounds;
120mm mortar rounds;
120mm and 105mm tank ammunition;
25mm ammunition;
Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
Approximately 400 grenade launchers and 200,000 rounds of ammunition;
11 tactical vehicles to recover equipment;
61 heavy fuel tankers;
10 trucks and 10 trailers to transport heavy equipment;
Testing and diagnostic equipment to support vehicle maintenance and repair;
Spare parts and other field equipment.
Under USAI, the DoD will provide Ukraine with:
Additional munitions for National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS);
Nine counter-Unmanned Aerial System 30mm gun trucks;
10 mobile c-UAS laser-guided rocket systems;
Three air surveillance radars;
30mm and 23mm anti-aircraft ammunition;
130mm and 122mm artillery rounds;
122mm GRAD rockets;
Rocket launchers and ammunition;
120mm and 81mm mortar systems;
120mm, 81mm, and 60mm mortar rounds;
120mm tank ammunition;
Javelin anti-armor systems;
Anti-armor rockets;
Precision aerial munitions;
Approximately 3,600 small arms and more than 23,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
Seven tactical vehicles to recover equipment;
Eight heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers;
Armored bridging systems;
Four logistics support vehicles;
Trucks and ten trailers to transport heavy equipment;
Secure communications equipment;
SATCOM terminals and services;
Funding for training, maintenance, and sustainment.
Unlike Presidential Drawdown, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry rather than delivering equipment that is drawn down from DoD stocks. The announcement of this USAI package represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional capabilities to Ukraine’s Armed Forces.
…
@Outraged | Apr 9 2023 0:39 utc | 256
Suggest try alternate DNS
I am using an alternate DNS.
I use Cloudflare’s US-based DNS server at IP address 1.1.1.1 to bypass EU censorship of Russian news sites.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 9 2023 2:41 utc | 264
@ Petri Krohn | Apr 9 2023 2:41 utc | 265
Okay. Brief abbreviated advise in order of ease/minimal effort, try the following:
DNS 1.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.4.4.8
From Public DNS Server List, India & Switzerland are a good start … of course foreign nation DNS servers will be slower to resolve …
TOR Browser
Portable version of Opera browser for your OS (Device ?)(Includes free VPN(Browser traffic only))portable edition is a full-featured version.
A subscription to a true VPN, using the VPN providers DNS via app.
Good luck.
@ Petri Krohn | Apr 9 2023 2:41 utc | 265 … followup:
If trying TOR, ‘configure connection’, ‘advanced settings’, ‘configure how Tor browser connects to the internet’, Port 443 only. Of course TOR is dramatically slower & of questionable provenance …
Speculative, insufficient info … if in EU, DNS resolution req/Cert request may be being intercepted & blocked/blackholed/poisoned by SPI/DPI …
Such requires a secure encrypted VPN connection & DNS(SEC)to bypass. Double good luck.
Happy Easter
The first part of my three – or more – part update to my Ukraine coverage from back in April, 2022, has just gone live on my Substack:
https://richardstevenhack.substack.com/p/update-on-the-ukraine-conflict?sd=pf
Enjoy – or not. I don’t give a shit. 🙂
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 9 2023 3:58 utc | 267
[240] von Moltke
That awning in Weimar is typical of the sanctimonious twaddle at that building. Diplomatie was Minsk Agreements which Germany seemed to view a bit like Hitler‘s Non-Aggresion Pacts – conveniently ephemeral.
That building was destroyed by US bombers as it was a Siemens munitions factory and rebuilt by DDR which nevertheless turned the Bach House into a car park for Hotel Elephant
That statue of Schiller from Stuttgart and Goethe from Frankfurt was cast in Bavaria I
Goethe Schiller Cult was created by Sauckel the Gauleiter of Thuringia who built Buchenwald KZ and whose villa is now a Training Centre for Agentur fur Arbeit.
Sauckel was organiser of Slave Labour in Reich and his driver during elections was Martin Bormann – Thuringia being first state Nazis came to govern
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 9 2023 4:58 utc | 268
Instant karma:
According to local witnesses, Semtsov was one of the organizers of the raider seizure of the church. During the conflict Semtsov snatched the cross from the priest and threw it on the ground, after this incident he suddenly suffered a stroke and died on spot.
https://twitter.com/MissJacque_line/status/1644837914231312385
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2023 5:26 utc | 269
⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts in the Evening of 8 Apr 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
🤚 It is reported that the “Orchestrators” have cut the AFU supply line from Chasov Yar, thus depriving it of the ability to maintain supplies uninterrupted. Meanwhile, the enemy is moving reserves to the western outskirts of #Artyomovsk to prevent a collapse of defences in the city. In addition, there are reports of abandoned equipment and retreating fighters, but it is too early to speak of the enemy’s flight, as the fighters of the Wagner PMC still meet serious resistance on their way.
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts for the past Day
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya Direction:
▪️ The RF Armed Forces continue their offensive in the #Serebryanskoye forestry from the side of #Shipilovka. Also ours attacked the militants’ positions in the areas of #Terny and #Nevskoye.
🔹#Artyomovsk (#Bakhmut) Sector:
▪️ Fighters of the Wagner PMC have taken full control of the Internat area and have approached the Elevator area. Fierce fighting continues in the area of the Railway Station, and our troops have also liberated the Avangard Stadium, the Pedagogical School and School No. 7. In addition, the “orchestrators” are fighting in the districts of Vodokanal and Samolet.
🔹#Donetsk Direction:
➖ The Russian army is advancing in the #Avdeyevka sector, aviation is active.
➖ Ours attempted to attack in the area of #Keramik, as well as to advance towards #Severnoye and #Pervomayskoye.
▪️ Fierce fighting continues in the western part of #Maryinka.
😇 Today an Object launched from 404 was shot down over #Feodosiya. Consequently, the target was 250-275 km away, which is a record for the AFU. The question is what exactly broke the record. Probably Soviet UAVs or Neptune SAMs, but the two most realistic versions involve either US ATACMS missiles, which have not yet been officially delivered to the Kiev regime, or the new Ukrainian “Wunderwaffle” of the Grom-2, whose missiles have already been shot down by our air defences.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 6:16 utc | 270
In Kamenetz-Podolsky, the police came to the defense of the Orthodox community, which defended its Alexander Nevsky Cathedral. Zelensky postponed the eviction of monks from the Pechersk Lavra until a court decision
All this became possible because the Orthodox resisted, and to many in Ukraine its anti-Christian essence became obvious. All together, we put pressure on Bandera and they stopped. No, they did not change their plans, they just realized that they could not do everything in one fell swoop, they overestimated their strength. You need to remember the phrase of the war criminal Filatov: promise them anything you want, and for the hanging, we will hang them later.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41013
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 6:20 utc | 271
What we write about comes true later. So it is with the Bakhmut meat grinder as well. Another video has appeared, which demonstrates that during the transfer of units and supplies of Bakhmut, there is a loss of personnel and equipment.
We wrote back in March that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are losing about 30% of equipment and soldiers, only at the time of logistics.
This is the price of Zelensky’s political decision, who was afraid of a drop in his rating due to the fall of the Bakhmut Fortress.
https://t.me/legitimniy/15119
Same video on Twitter
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1644611131728699393
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 6:25 utc | 272
Sisters of Doom
https://twitter.com/kambrone64/status/1644761133725761537
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 6:31 utc | 273
Petri Krohn | Apr 8 2023 22:26 utc | 246
Yep. I made a similar post 24hrs or more ago with the 4chan source / thread and chronology.
Some guy who has/[*had*]access got into a dick measuring contest on an anonymous image board… and whoopppssshhhhheeeet the post was away.
As I have previously posted, the photoshopped leaks appeared about 2hours later and the paid propagandists went all out with diversion and disputes over which of the versions were “real” or “fake”.
Why some in the Agencies and Pentagram want obfuscation is because the “real” docs show the poor /wrong intel that is being pushed “up”.
There’s a cohort of intel who know how badly this is going for Ukraine.
But this is being choked before it reaches the top levels.
Decisions to keep doubling down are being made at the top, based on this fraudulent internal intel.
The obfuscation and concerted well poisoning isn’t for our benefit…. It’s to arse-cover within the intel community.
——-
Why would someone with access to classified info post it on 4chan to win an argument. ….. Because that’s actually how things do unravel in real life.
Like.. an acquaintance went to a great deal of trouble to conceal his ex-marital affair. All sorts of subterfuge and deception.
Then he is away with his side-piece …. fails to yield at a roundabout… proves his point by giving a nasty brake check to the following motorist….
No big deal. Doesn’t give it a thought… he “won” that encounter…. Except it’s uploaded to a dashcam channel… it’s seen by his wife….and .. one brutal divorce later…
Same here… someone wanted to “win” on the internet…. And holy fuck, look what happened..
It’s not the Russians the US intel guys are trying to hide stuff from… they don’t want it known internally how fucked it actually is for Ukraine…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 9 2023 6:49 utc | 274
re Outraged | Apr 9 2023 2:31 utc | 264
You’re correct I remain unconvinced, no matter whether 404 had enough ammo or didn’t have enough ammo & wanted to spread the word that they had insufficient the amerikans would have put more ammo for ukies on their drawdown. Two thirds of that list is for Materiél which doesn’t exist yet -all the stuff under ‘Under USAI, the DoD will provide Ukraine with:’ is an undertaking to provide those items after they let a contract, collect them from manufacturers, they will then pass it on to Ukraine i.e. it is all irrelevant to the spring counter offensive ,as – if this thing is gonna kick off in two or three weeks even the stuff in the top third, logistics will struggle to supply any of it in time.
If anything that list is evidence that the ukies already have what they believe is sufficient to get them through to Melitipol or wherever. Sure they will need to re-up eventually as any military at war does.
Russia would be crazy to operate under any assumption other than that 404 is ready & equipped.
Anyway, as I said time will tell.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 9 2023 7:00 utc | 275
@ 262.
Both things can be true, Ukraine can be chronically short of ammo and stockpiling at the same time.
By trying to squeeze as much as they can out of donors whilst starving troops fighting defensively on the Donbass front of anything but the bare minimum of ammo supplies.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Apr 9 2023 7:03 utc | 276
German Polls show Wagenknecht (the peacenik) would garner 19% of the vote – which is austounding given regimist media slamming her.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 9 2023 7:10 utc | 277
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 9 2023 4:58 utc | 269
Goethe Schiller Cult was created by Sauckel the Gauleiter of Thuringia
I usually agree with all of your postings, but I don’t know what to make of this one. Goethe and Schiller were famous even as they were still alive and the cult around them existed already in the first half of the 19th century (their statue is from 1857).
And what’s bad about the fact that Goethe and Schiller weren’t born in Weimar as well as the fact that their statue was cast in Bavaria?
And I still find it interesting that a sign showing a slogan contradicting the published opinion remains so long at such a prominent place.
But a small anecdote on the side:
The house I grew up in, and where my parents still live, was bought by my grandfather in 1948 from a former captain of a merchant ship. He was a good friend of Fritz Sauckel, who also was a sailor in the merchant navy when he was younger. Therefore Sauckel visited this house several times. Old neighbours told me that he unsuccesfully tried to convince that captain to join the NSDAP for quite some time.
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 9 2023 7:39 utc | 278
Posted by: Konami | Apr 9 2023 1:24 utc | 261
During our trip to the old home over Christmas, we noted a LOT of street painting saying “DAS IST NICHT UNSER KRIEG” (“This is not our war”) and by painting I mean up to 1 meter high letters, paint on stone — not sprayed. These were all over the place, at least in Eastern Berlin.
Yep. I live in a quite rural area of (former Western) Germany, where usually few political street paintings of any kind can be found. But when I come to the nearest bigger cities, I saw such slogans, too, a couple of times.
Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 9 2023 7:44 utc | 279
According to Turkish sources, a column of a 🇺🇦brigade, which approached the fortifications NE of the Ugledar line as reinforcements, was hit yesterday by Russian fighters who dropped FAB-500 and UPAB-1500 glide bombs from a distance of up to 60 km.
Most of the column was destroyed or scattered.
Note: this report was published on Friday
/Militarist TG Channel/
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/27402
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 9 2023 7:53 utc | 280
@Exile | Apr 9 2023 7:10 utc | 278
German Polls show Wagenknecht (the peacenik) would garner 19% of the vote – which is austounding given regimist media slamming her.
The most surprising thing (if true) is that such polls may be published. I hope it is true, since Wagenknecht is the only German politician I have heard of recently that is not insane.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 8:00 utc | 281
“Guys – apply some critical thinking.
The leaked docs could be authentic AND deliberately leaked by the CIA/NSA.
I have not done a deep dive but nothing I’ve read yet seems that TOP Secret. Maybe a little embarrassing”
That’s a possibility but imagine how LOW the DC-mafia has gone in 15 months. Remember the original 2014-2022 goal was to arm Ukraine to the teeth, send the yellow-blue boys invade Donbass and commit ethnic cleansing. Then Putin would have lost militarily or politically and Russia would have been humiliated for decades… and potentially ripped to pieces.
April 2023 : the DC-mafia toys with a bunch of Powerpoint files hoping the Russian army will be put off balance by the leak.
Pitiful…
Posted by: Nanker | Apr 9 2023 8:23 utc | 282
Posted by: barstool | Apr 8 2023 19:21 utc | 229
No idea if the numbers are accurate and no sources are given, which is unfortunate, but the claim of using drones to compensate for lack of air support is logical enough.
5k operators sounds maybe a little high. Could be 5k drones with 10 per operator or completely made up numbers.
If there are lots of operators I doubt RF could knock out the operators or the drones quickly. The same could be said of jamming. If UA has drones that are more jam resistant or longer range than normal it would take time for RF to adapt, by which time the attack might have caused the death and destruction that was the purpose of the exercise.
If 5000 drones and / or operators is correct, lower cost FPV kamikaze drones with operators closer to the front lines seems more likely (but not guaranteed), basically operating in a reconnaissance-sabotage, infantry support capacity.
The more capable / valuable the drone the more likely it is to be operated by expert crews based ever further from the front lines but any high level drone operation centre in UA would be a juicy target.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 8 2023 21:28 utc | 239
Agreed, this can’t be the formula for a conventional counteroffensive, just a bloodletting on both side of the LoC with UA’s sponsors cheering from the sidelines. Texas Bentley suggested that UA might be hoping to break through and capture civilian area as hostages, which is a plausible enough goal for them and their sponsors.
I think we should be wary of discounting modes of operation on the ground that they don’t meet usual credibility criteria. Empire is indifferent to UA casualties, is plausible seeking the depopulation of Ukraine and the elimination of Ukrainians. Inflicting political damaging human and property loses on RF is the obvious goal of Empire.
The solidly good news of the moment is the streaky stream of fuel, ammo and equipment stores that RF is demolishing. Beyond a certain point it won’t even be worth UA firing off what they have left.
Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 9 2023 8:25 utc | 283
@ Paul Greenwood | Apr 9 2023 4:58 utc | 269
All true. Hotel Elephant has a locked room with the balcony and a yellow statuette. Weimar was the most visited German city by Hitler, and guess what? That balcony and the room were his favourite.
Buchenwald was an invented name by Nazis, since the real name of the area is Ettersberg.
Thuringia is since the fall of the Wall one of the most neo-Nazi infested German states with a great influx of neo-Nazis from the West that took place during 90s to radicalise the youth. West Weimar being pretty much the neo-Nazi ghetto and the nest.
Surrounding villages, even more so.
However, in Weimar there is a huge left-wing(ish) student population not only local, but also international. So events and signs of an anti-war and anti-everything are shown, but locals in the centre are almost non-existent. Those who are mostly living in the centre and adjoining streets are students.
In general, the Eastern German population is more inclined towards RF since, for many, good old GDR times. Leipzig, Dresden are also more inclined towards RF. They have never seen Soviet occupation as an ‘occupation’ such as USA style occupying Western Germany.
But those areas are pretty much unimportant, as the real fat capital is in the West Germany and Wessies are ruling Germania. Ossies do not really like it, as it is.
If anywhere and anybody in Germany starts any serious resistance against NATO/US and current German Government, that might very well be ‘former’ East Germany folk.
Forget Berlin, as it is just not coherent enough, being gentrified very quickly through and through.
Posted by: whirlX | Apr 9 2023 8:40 utc | 285
Our source reports that a lot of leaks began at the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Office of the President. This was not the case even in 2022.
Many attribute this to the fact that the elites began a quiet rebellion against Zelensky’s attempts to monopolize power by creating his own dictatorship.
As the source explains, in order to weaken Zelensky, it is necessary to take away the only trump card from him: “military successes”, then everyone will see that the king is naked.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 9:01 utc | 286
🇺🇦 Former US military intelligence officer: The Ukrainian Armed Forces have already lost more than 300,000 dead.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have lost more than 300,000 people who are dead or missing, former US Marine scout Scott Ritter said.
📝 “Ukraine is trying to underestimate its losses, but the fact is that they are much higher than the official figures,” Ritter noted. According to Ritter, Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhnyi, during a conversation with Pentagon Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milley, said that 250,000 Ukrainian military personnel were killed.
🔹 At the same time, about 83,000 AFU troops are missing, and of those, about 60,000 are likely dead, the former intelligence officer noted. This, he said, gives an approximate death toll of 315,000.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41027
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 9:04 utc | 287
🇺🇦An angry mob of Ukrainian Pro-Zelensky satanists charge into the Khmelnytsky region’s ☦St Michael’s Cathedral to the approval of Zelensky’s police and government agencies.
😥Orthodox monks observing the pre-easter fast have only seconds to say goodbye to the holy altar table…
👔Zelensky will be burn in hell for this🔥
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41037
Same video on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1644780007359754241
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 9:07 utc | 288
☦️The UOC holds a service on the occasion of Palm Sunday on the street on the territory of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, while the service of the schismatic OCU is going on in the Refectory Church of the monastery.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/53736
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 9:12 utc | 289
Bakhmut Morning: The situation is extremely dynamic. The front line gradually runs along the railway line in the city. Wagner + RU forces have already reached the line at many points. Heavy fighting is now taking place especially at the main train station and bus station. Wagner wants to break through here promptly and with all his might. Truly hellish battles rage on in this area day and night.
In the SW, UA regained some positions on their counterattack, but not all. The pressure around the aircraft monument is therefore still high. Battles take place near it.
In the NW, UA was unsuccessful in their counterattacks, on the contrary Wagner + RU forces advanced a good 100-150 meters to the south overnight.
The flanks are stable. Near Chromovo, Wagner + RU Forces managed to capture a few positions and have held them until now. To Ivanivske a back and forth. Orikhovo- Vasylivka and Bohdanivka fights take place in the villages. Few changes.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/53743
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 9:14 utc | 290
Former US military intelligence officer: The Ukrainian Armed Forces have already lost more than 300,000 dead.
If correct, that means ~750 dead per day on average since February 2022. Most likely, the daily average these days are much higher. A complete disaster for the Kiev regime.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 9:14 utc | 291
one thing suprises me constantly is how seamlessly the laat 70 yrs has been forgotten and painted over like it never existed. nazis dont exist even though they wear and hold flags etc of the symbols. the new ukraine army purposefully paints their emblem now as nazi war machine with normies and msm oblivious to it. no one cares even when its mentioned. in fact msm says it breaches their policy and censors any comments . im sure most readers here were brought up to know nothing was worse than the nazis but here we are. Godwins theory is dead.
Posted by: hankster | Apr 9 2023 9:50 utc | 292
George Soros – on the collapse of the global system, the need to weaken the dollar and the rise of China in an interview in 2009: [If America doesn’t take an active role in overhauling global finance, what happens? What is your nightmare scenario?]
The Chinese will go the bilateral route. They’re already doing that. They already have an agreement with Argentina, and I think they’re working with Brazil as well. And you will find that there are more and more bilateral agreements. So the dollar will remain the main international currency, but its use will decrease. I think a world of bilateralism is less desirable than the continuation of a multilateral system.
But the system we have now has actually broken down, only we haven’t quite realized it. So you have to create a new world. It’s time to do that. [How worried are you about the U.S. budget deficit, and maybe the possibility of inflation?] The decline in the value of the dollar is necessary to compensate for the fact that the U.S. economy will remain quite weak, will be a burden on the world economy. China will be the engine replacing the U.S. consumer. And, of course, it is a smaller engine, because the Chinese economy is much smaller.
So the world economy will have less movement, and it will move forward more slowly than it has in the last 25 years. But China will be the engine pushing it forward. And the U.S. will actually be the brake, being pulled along by the gradual decline in the value of the dollar. So there will be a slow decline in the value of the dollar, a manageable decline. And that will be the adjustment that needs to be made.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/41059
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 10:21 utc | 293
I live in China and Chinese social media are very open about the war in Ukraine. Lots of videos showing grenades dropped on Wagners in trenches. Latest is 3 groups of Wagners entered a building and got blown up when the Nazis detonated the building.
Of course these Chinese social media also show the Nazis getting slaughtered. But on the whole the reporting is quite balanced.
Posted by: Surferket | Apr 8 2023 2:54 utc | 114
I would like to see links to some of this if possible…
Bakhmut Morning: The situation is extremely dynamic. The front line gradually runs along the railway line in the city. Wagner + RU forces have already reached the line at many points. Heavy fighting is now taking place especially at the main train station and bus station. Wagner wants to break through here promptly and with all his might. Truly hellish battles rage on in this area day and night.
In the NW, UA was unsuccessful in their counterattacks, on the contrary Wagner + RU forces advanced a good 100-150 meters to the south overnight.
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/53743
Posted by: Down South | Apr 9 2023 9:14 utc | 291
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so despite the learned opinions of everyone up to and including Doug Macgregor Bakhmut is not a killing field where the Allied forces simply take their time and enjoy slaughtering the enemy, in no particular hurry to end it… ?
very good to know. could we ask the ultimate source for these facts by way of adding some certitude to them?
@ Konami | Apr 9 2023 1:24 utc | 261
During our trip to the old home over Christmas, we noted a LOT of street painting saying “DAS IST NICHT UNSER KRIEG” (“This is not our war”) and by painting I mean up to 1 meter high letters, paint on stone — not sprayed. These were all over the place, at least in Eastern Berlin.
The Polish football club “Shlensk” was fined 15,000 zlotys because fans displayed a banner saying “To nie nasza wojna” (this is not our war) with Bandera symbols crossed out at a local match on 28 February. I saw a photograph of the incident. I also saw a brief clip of a Polish farmer throwing eggs at the public meeting of the Polish government with representatives of Czechia and Lithuania. He was protesting at the import of cheap Ukrainian grain.
Posted by: cirsium | Apr 9 2023 10:51 utc | 296
hmmm.. after posting about the Bakhmut haste or lack of it I found this which suggest the whole front line is going to ‘freeze’
https://t.me/legitimniy/14280
a fact of enormous significance, I think, if true, isn’t it, wouldn’t it be? The
Allies still don’t even have the Donbas cleared much less made any invasion into Kiev territory, despite every poor dying Kiev Ukrainian soldier believing he’s fighting to defend ‘his’ land. And Odessa remains firmly marginalised….
Surely such a significant fact, if that’s what it is, would have corollary ‘evidence’ all about the place for the knowledgeable and discerning to find for us?
“A leaked Pentagon memo alleges that the Mossad – Israel’s foreign intelligence service – spurred their own spies and the country’s citizens to participate in the mass demonstrations against the Netanyahu government’s judicial overhaul, according to The New York Times and The Washington Post.” – Haaretz
Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 9 2023 11:05 utc | 298
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 9 2023 6:31 utc | 274
Sisters of Doom
https://twitter.com/kambrone64/status/1644761133725761537
Nuland appears to get more ugly every time I see a picture of her, similar to Madeline Albright, Hillary Clinton. I think it’s the hate more than the weight. My prediction for Kamala, the same.
The boys have it too. Look at Biden.
Posted by: migueljose | Apr 9 2023 11:36 utc | 299
I’m wondering if this whole situation, regarding offensives, has another WW2 parallel, other than a synthesis of the Citadel and the Wacht am Rhine operations. The Second battle of Kharkov in 1942, for the dominant role airpower played, in halting any initial advances, and also raising the possibility that any planned Russian offensives will be launched well before any Ukrainian effort bogs down.
I’m also struck that a supposedly NATO trained army has such poor camouflage discipline, especially regarding aerial observation; perhaps another indication that their training programme is extremely limited and generic, not theatre specific. The lips of trenches and earthworks are often littered with highly conspicuous, often reflective detritus and vehicles seemingly make no effort to conceal or remove evidence of their passing. Just watched a Lancet strike on a Gvozdika SPG that was in a hide, but it’s track marks clearly showed where it was hiding.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 9 2023 11:36 utc | 300