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April 5, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-81
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Becoming aware that UKR mine-laying, especially advanced electromagnetic(?) mines, as well as capacity for remote detonation, and remote seeding via artillery shells is a major obstacle. Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 5 2023 15:54 utc | 1
A slow, careful advance? In other words, what they’re already doing. Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Apr 5 2023 16:00 utc | 2 Delousing is ineffective if any lice or eggs remain. DeNazification of Ukraine will require Russia to take all of Ukraine, including the Western parts. I think that Russia will honor each region’s Right to Self Determination, so some regions of Ukraine might vote to join bordering countries to avoid being deloused. Posted by: barstool | Apr 5 2023 16:01 utc | 3 Russia says Finland joining NATO has escalated the conflict Posted by: Dave Oneil | Apr 5 2023 16:04 utc | 4 Today: Tass Reports: “Russia, US in hot conflict phase.” I notice commentary about advances being ruled out because they cross empty areas – on both sides. This is the opposite of the way things looked earlier in the war as cities were the hold up. I have to speculate that maybe this changes war forever as surprise is completely missing. Satellites and drones have changed the battlefield greatly. I was skeptical about a stalemate but maybe so. Nobody wants to get caught out in the open. Ukr. tries to use smoke but that doesn’t seem like a big enough deal. Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 5 2023 16:20 utc | 6 Posted by: Paul Damascene | Apr 5 2023 15:54 utc | 1 Posted by: Boo | Apr 5 2023 16:23 utc | 7 Posted by: barstool | Apr 5 2023 16:01 utc | 3. I’m 95% sure that some oblasts will be given to Belarus. given that it is the only former soviet republic ( in Europe) that doesn’t hate Russia, that it was the only republic, along with Russia, to be a net contributor in the 1980s, and that it will form a union state with Russia anyway ( with a possible expansion to other EAEU, so no “vassal” crap, sovereignty preserved) it would be stupid not to. Posted by: Phariah | Apr 5 2023 16:27 utc | 8 Russian Foreign Ministry: Kyiv, with the participation of foreign specialists, is trying to influence Russian civilian communications satellites Posted by: rk | Apr 5 2023 16:27 utc | 9
“Forever” is a very long time, and there is a countermeasure to every measure. If Russia feels like NATO’s satellites are too much of a problem, they will simply take them out. They have the means to do so. Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Apr 5 2023 16:29 utc | 10 In memory of all those needlessly killed on the Eastern Front … Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 5 2023 16:36 utc | 11 @Paul Damascene | Apr 5 2023 15:54 utc | 1 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 5 2023 16:39 utc | 12 Paul Damascene | Apr 5 2023 15:54 utc | 1 Posted by: rk | Apr 5 2023 16:44 utc | 13 Defense Politics Asia Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 16:47 utc | 14 BAKHMUT (ARTEMOVSK) Posted by: young | Apr 5 2023 17:04 utc | 15 The average AFU troop is starting to get wind of the lies and treachery of their own command. None of them wish to become cannon fodder for the Russian troops. Many of them already know that such may soon be their situation. Posted by: Pierrot | Apr 5 2023 17:26 utc | 16 Posted by: Pierrot | Apr 5 2023 17:26 utc | 16 Posted by: young | Apr 5 2023 17:37 utc | 17 Any word on RUS countermeasures / doctrinal adjustments? Posted by: Zet | Apr 5 2023 18:03 utc | 18 “Second, if you listen to Lukashenko’s arguments in the video you are astounded. He is saying that on the front lines the soldiers on both sides understand that they are being sent to their deaths for NOTHING. He says that Ukrainians are warning Russians of attacks about to be launched and Russians are doing the same for the Ukrainians who are maybe 50 meters away from them.” Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 5 2023 18:03 utc | 19 Posted by: Dave Oneil | Apr 5 2023 16:04 utc | 4 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 18:09 utc | 20 Belarus is going to be used to attack NATO with plausible deniability. Not useful to attack Ukraine. Better to hit Lithuania or lure Poland into an attack. Ambiguous strategic scenarios are the ones that will confuse command and control. Permissions must be granted or initiative will be taken at the operational level. That takes too much time. And the more time passes, the more any response appears to be an overreaction. If Belarus nukes a formation of NATO troops in Belarus or Ukraine, would NATO have the guts to then nuke JUST Belarus, knowing that a retaliatory strike could follow? I don’t think so. Western leaders are trifling, greedy dolts. Take it from a guy who lives in an exemplary ‘Western’ city. They’re chickens and weasels.
But disabling NATO ISR was too escalatory and not to be done… Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 5 2023 18:20 utc | 22 I’m really getting tired hearing from Military Summary and many others that Ukraine is going to begin a counteroffensive in the near future. IT AIN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Apr 5 2023 18:23 utc | 23 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 18:09 utc | 20 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Apr 5 2023 18:30 utc | 24 A very interesting article in yesterday’s Covert Action Magazine by Valeriy Krylko. Posted by: Ed | Apr 5 2023 18:40 utc | 25 Another hit on Shkolny air base in Odessa, which is part of the supposed support infrastructure for the supposed attack across the Dnepr river. I think Simplicus had some details of this attack in his recent article, several hundred drones could have vanished and additionally those that were in final assembly in that location. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 19:16 utc | 26 Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Apr 5 2023 16:29 utc | 10 Posted by: Blissex | Apr 5 2023 19:27 utc | 27 Recently released documents demonstrate how the US won the two gulf wars more than with weapons with the suitcases of money with which they bought all the Iraqi armed forces, from the rank of Major up, so that when they went on the attack the opposing army melted like snow in the sun. Posted by: mauro | Apr 5 2023 19:43 utc | 28 Odessa (Ukraine). A massive explosion is reported on Tairova Street. Presumably, there was an ammunition detonation after a Russian Geranium attack on an AFU depot. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 19:48 utc | 29
https://t.me/rezident_ua/16399
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17178 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2023 19:48 utc | 30
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/40436 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2023 19:50 utc | 31 The upcoming UKR offensive assumes larger and larger proportions. Now it’s 200k forces and 2000 armored vehicles. What gargantuan size will it be tomorrow? Will the brigades magically turn into divisions? Posted by: Oh | Apr 5 2023 19:53 utc | 32
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/40493 Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2023 19:59 utc | 33 Nato has allocated around 160 tanks (incl. 32 Leopard variants and 14 Challengers) and something like 760 AFV and IFV for an offensive around Zaporozhye, per their leaked OOB. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 20:01 utc | 34 reply to 31 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 5 2023 20:02 utc | 35 Posted by: mauro | Apr 5 2023 19:43 utc | 28 “..Vladimir Zelensky in Warsaw said that in the future there will be no borders between Ukraine and Poland: “In the future, there will be no borders between our peoples—political, economic, and—very importantly—historical.” But for this, you still need to win. To do this, you need to go side by side a little more. Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2023 20:05 utc | 37 Dima has suggested the possibility that a reconstituted Poland/Lithuanian empire might once again move in, at Zelensky’s invitation if and more probably when things go awry for the Azov, and take over Kievan Rus …. well, there is a bit of history there… Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 5 2023 20:10 utc | 38 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 5 2023 20:10 utc | 38 Posted by: mo3 | Apr 5 2023 20:14 utc | 39
Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2023 19:50 utc | 31 Posted by: West of England Andy | Apr 5 2023 20:19 utc | 40 “Not that it probably matters too much these days, but such a move by Poland would put it in breach of its Treaty of Accession to the European Union.” Posted by: mauro | Apr 5 2023 20:21 utc | 41 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 5 2023 18:03 utc | Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2023 20:24 utc | 42 Posted by: West of England Andy | Apr 5 2023 20:19 utc | 40 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 20:27 utc | 43 Poland Posted by: mo3 | Apr 5 2023 20:51 utc | 45 “Becoming aware that UKR mine-laying, especially advanced electromagnetic(?) mines, as well as capacity for remote detonation, and remote seeding via artillery shells is a major obstacle. Posted by: Surferket | Apr 5 2023 20:52 utc | 46 #1: “Becoming aware that UKR mine-laying, especially advanced electromagnetic(?) mines, as well as capacity for remote detonation, and remote seeding via artillery shells is a major obstacle.” Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 20:58 utc | 47 Maria Zakharova displays her acerbic wit during today’s weekly briefing Ukraine portion of her report, here:
Maria then switches to the attacks against the Orthodox Church and attacks the seemingly same silence “heard” from the Collective West:
No, I didn’t provide the entire Ukraine update. After Ukraine, Maria attacks the Outlaw US Empire over Syria. And in that she’s almost as biting as what I provided above. My description of Outlaw fits her accusations perfectly. And after Syria, it’s the absurd “Democracy” Summit. Yes, there’s more but it will wait for my next comment. It fits perfectly with the fact that the only progress is made by Wagner and Chechens, perhaps the only soldiers the President can trust. Posted by: Ed | Apr 5 2023 21:06 utc | 49 Just the fact I’m picking out the news completely conflicting stories. Posted by: Scot1and | Apr 5 2023 21:08 utc | 50 200,000 troops and 1,000 armored? Bullshit. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 5 2023 21:09 utc | 51 Military summary analysis: Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 21:13 utc | 52 @ karlof1 | Apr 5 2023 21:03 utc | 48 with the latest Maria Zakharova briefing quotes…thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2023 21:18 utc | 53 Posted by: Surferket | Apr 5 2023 20:52 utc | 46 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2023 21:18 utc | 54 51: “”NATO is behind and with a crashing economy will remain behind for the foreseeable future, i.e., the next one or two decades.” Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 21:23 utc | 56 Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 21:26 utc | 57 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 5 2023 21:09 utc | 51 Posted by: Milites | Apr 5 2023 21:29 utc | 58 @mo3 | Apr 5 2023 20:14 utc | 39
Really? Poland was partitioned in 1795 by Russia, Austria and Prussia and disappeared as a state until 1918. The Polish national anthem “Poland has not perished while still we live’ dates from this time. The Poles were hoping to regain their freedom by fighting for Napoleon. Posted by: cirsium | Apr 5 2023 21:30 utc | 59 Craig Murray on the
So the land of the free, home of the brave is a fraud. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2023 21:35 utc | 60 Several weeks ago, I provided the announcement by Russia’s MFA of its new online, which is officially titled “WHITE PAPERS of crimes committed by Western states and their allies”. A new paper’s been published that will soon be added, “Losses for Iraq’s cultural and historical heritage from the US-led invasion in 2003”. Given the clearly premeditated assault on Iraq’s artifacts and unique historical treasures, the Outlaw US Empire as ringleader is clearly guilty of Cultural Genocide, a crime it continues to commit everywhere it invades–ask the Syrians and Ukrainians. Such premeditation indicates a policy exists very similar to Plan Ost, and that the roots of that policy date to the time when North America was a British Colony when the Natives were the Genocidal victims. Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 5 2023 21:37 utc | 62 Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 5 2023 21:48 utc | 63 Alex from Black Mountain Analyses interview with Scott Ritter asking his community questions. One of those more tilted toward “must watch”. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 5 2023 21:54 utc | 64 Finlands joining of the NATO would have happened anyway. It’s in the wests plan. Its been brought forward because plans for Ukraine have gone awry. The plan was for Russia to lose the conflict in Ukraine. Once done, there wd be no opposition at all to NATO expansion. Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 5 2023 21:55 utc | 65
Her analysis, as usual, is breathtaking. Thanks for sharing it. Posted by: David Levin | Apr 5 2023 21:55 utc | 66 Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 Posted by: West of England Andy | Apr 5 2023 22:01 utc | 67 The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Avdiivka seems to be falling, and that was the main source of terrorist attacks on civilians in the Donbass. Once Avdiivka is liberated, we truly can raise our glass here (and I would if I could offer some really ages old delicious brandy to all the good commentators here, and well, a tumbler of waste water to the trolls…). Posted by: Anton Ysewyn | Apr 5 2023 22:04 utc | 68 psychohistorian @53– karlofi@48 Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2023 22:07 utc | 70 Posted by: cirsium | Apr 5 2023 21:30 utc | 59 Posted by: mo3 | Apr 5 2023 22:08 utc | 71 On Global Times today: Posted by: Anthony | Apr 5 2023 22:23 utc | 72 Excellent condensation of our times at Strategic Culture: Posted by: Wilhelm | Apr 5 2023 22:32 utc | 73 From Xinhuanet is the next step by the Good Cop Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2023 22:41 utc | 74 Pychohistorian #47 there is no good cop they are trying to lean on China and they have the president of Taiwan at a meeting in America at the same time. They have not figured out the larger countries are not listening to threats anymore. The EU thinks allowing China to sell them things they desperately need is a privilege for the Chinese Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 5 2023 23:06 utc | 75 Minimum, incomplete, low-ball KIA(only)(FEBA only) 580+ … Translated:
Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55
( Presumably, a “bum” is some poor soul with no money, terrible clothing, little awareness and no friends ?) Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 5 2023 23:34 utc | 77 Bill Clinton regrets he pressured country 404 to sell the only remaining stock of nukes for one cent in the air dollar in 1994. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Apr 5 2023 23:36 utc | 78 Ukraine Theater basic & negligible Intelligence Staff work & Analysis … update. Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 21:20 utc | 55 & Co ? West of England Andy | Apr 5 2023 22:01 utc | 67
Yes, yes, they would ! Arrogance is blinding ! And no, they don’t ! Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 5 2023 23:44 utc | 80 @78 Posted by: paddy | Apr 5 2023 23:55 utc | 81 So, everything is going swimmingly and you all will soon be vacationing in Berlin? Just like the big winter offensive went so well, right? Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 23:58 utc | 82
@ karlof1 | Apr 5 2023 21:03 utc | 48 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 6 2023 0:06 utc | 83 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Apr 6 2023 0:29 utc | 84 Aleph_Null @83– Re: Maria Z’s “Everyone is silent. Everyone from the world community is so comfortable.”…. Posted by: Trubind1 | Apr 6 2023 0:56 utc | 86 Posted by: Blissex | Apr 5 2023 19:27 utc | 27 “Most satellites can simply be nudged out of their orbit,” Posted by: Response2 | Apr 6 2023 1:00 utc | 87 mines and agriculture dont mix , just ask cambodia, they have a mine museum showcasing the worlds contribution to their nation if you need a day off from seeing temples Posted by: hankster | Apr 6 2023 1:01 utc | 88 RUSSIAN FIGHTERS AVENGE TERRORIST ATTACKS WITH VICTORIES ON THE DONBASS FRONT
Courtesy Sputnik Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 6 2023 1:03 utc | 89 @Wilhelm | Apr 5 2023 22:32 utc | 73 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 6 2023 1:07 utc | 90 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 5 2023 21:09 utc | 51 “They already ran a war game themselves showing their army annihilated in five days” Posted by: Response2 | Apr 6 2023 1:11 utc | 91 reply to 84 Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 6 2023 1:14 utc | 92 A noteworthy update on Russia’s SMO by Simplicius the Thinker:
Posted by: HeyHeyHey | Apr 6 2023 1:15 utc | 93 Today’s Security Council Meeting featured a report on restoration work being done in the new territories that will certainly irk NATO, which is likely why it’s not classified. ” Really? Poland was partitioned in 1795 by Russia, Austria and Prussia and disappeared as a state until 1918. The Polish national anthem “Poland has not perished while still we live’ dates from this time. The Poles were hoping to regain their freedom by fighting for Napoleon. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 6 2023 1:56 utc | 95 Posted by: Fnord73 | Apr 5 2023 23:58 utc | 82 Posted by: HERMIUS | Apr 6 2023 2:29 utc | 96 Very interesting if I say so myself. Is a “compromise” about to be made ? Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 6 2023 2:44 utc | 97 china appears to up the ante with a naval inspection of vessels. set to be only for a 3 day exercise, its a definite start of further escalation. usa is neutered as to a corresponding response to that. Posted by: hankster | Apr 6 2023 2:56 utc | 98 Tucker Carlson on that $300 billion dollar steal, weaponization of the dollar, and its consequences for the dollar reserve currency …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 6 2023 3:02 utc | 99 @psychohistorian | Apr 5 2023 21:18 utc | 53 Posted by: Hermit | Apr 6 2023 3:04 utc | 100 |
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