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April 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-80
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Some background superb music for the bar ….. Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 16:40 utc | 1 Russia interrogates woman captured yesterday for Cafe explosion. Russian war blogger did not survive. Posted by: Dave Oneil | Apr 3 2023 16:47 utc | 2 “Russia has said it will bolster its defences near its 1,300km border with Finland after the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, announced that the Nordic country would formally join the transatlantic defence alliance on Tuesday.” Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 3 2023 16:59 utc | 3 BAKHMUT: Posted by: young | Apr 3 2023 17:11 utc | 4 Andrew Cockburn discussing his book, “The Spoils of War: Power, Profit and the American War Machine” Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 3 2023 17:14 utc | 5 “US expects Kiev to launch counteroffensive in coming weeks” – US envoy to NATO Posted by: rk | Apr 3 2023 17:22 utc | 6 “Russia has said it will bolster its defences near its 1,300km border with Finland after the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, announced that the Nordic country would formally join the transatlantic defence alliance on Tuesday.” Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Apr 3 2023 17:26 utc | 7
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/17147 Posted by: Down South | Apr 3 2023 17:31 utc | 8
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17148 Posted by: Down South | Apr 3 2023 17:32 utc | 9
Posted by: Down South | Apr 3 2023 17:34 utc | 10 Weeb Union a few minutes ago … more advances Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 17:34 utc | 11 One hour ago …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 17:38 utc | 12
As days passes, US orders “to the last Ukrainian” become more and more straightforward. Posted by: W | Apr 3 2023 17:38 utc | 13 If Ukraine initiates an all-out offensive….Will Russia increase their Air Support? Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Apr 3 2023 17:46 utc | 14 Posted by: W | Apr 3 2023 17:38 utc | 13 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 17:50 utc | 15 “US expects Kiev to launch counteroffensive in coming weeks” […] Posted by: Chris | Apr 3 2023 17:56 utc | 16 I hear big numbers mentioned for Zelensky’s futile spring offensive. Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 3 2023 17:56 utc | 17 @ Don Firineach, §12: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 3 2023 17:59 utc | 18 Today’s morning update. Articles from Telegram, Twitter and various news sources on the war and America’s slide into third world irrelevance. Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 3 2023 17:56 utc | 17 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 18:01 utc | 20 For number 1. Takes a break from The Dark Side of Bakmuth .. 43 mins Posted by: angelo | Apr 3 2023 18:05 utc | 21 Posted by: Down South | Apr 3 2023 17:31 utc | 8 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 3 2023 18:07 utc | 22 Man I so love it, when Africans tell their former masters to shove it. Posted by: Roland | Apr 3 2023 18:12 utc | 23 Ukraine survives and fights thanks to the support of the West, both in materials/intelligence as well as cash. If this was not the case, it would have been over long ago. Posted by: alek_a | Apr 3 2023 18:19 utc | 24 https://kyivindependent.com/presidents-office-head-urges-calmly-react-to-fakes-after-wagner-boss-claims-seizure-of-bakhmut-administration-building/ Posted by: Paul | Apr 3 2023 18:19 utc | 25 Russia Ukraine War: Japan Buys Russian Oil | BRICS Challenges US Dollar | Vantage with Palki Sharma
DonbassDevushka Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 3 2023 18:20 utc | 26 Unimperator @ 20 Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 3 2023 18:32 utc | 27 Recall the political goal announced during the Fall of 2022 to move Ukie lines, and particularly their artillery, out-of-range to strike Russian lands. This has yet to be accomplished and thus remains Russia’s current political goal within Ukraine. Yes, great suppression has occurred, but the goal still remains elusive. We’re now into April and the long range weather forecast for the Donetsk area is for 10 days of precipitation spread over the month while high temps climb above 13c to over 16c for the last 10 days of April. There will still be some mud, but fields will be drier and foliage will emerge from the currently barren trees and shrubs. Elsewhere in Ukraine the question becomes will farmers attempt to sow crops? Or perhaps the better question is: Are there any remaining farmers? And if they emerge to try and obtain fuel for their tractors and go to work, will they not be captured by the press gangs and sent to the front? Re: #1 post Posted by: Timewilltell | Apr 3 2023 18:38 utc | 29 @ young, 4
Going back 2000+ years generals already knew that the best strategy for destroying an enemy was to surround them on every side but allow the units one corridor to flee. This was one of Sun Zu’s key lessons. It remains true today. Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 3 2023 18:39 utc | 30 I hear big numbers mentioned for Zelensky’s futile spring offensive. Posted by: jpc | Apr 3 2023 18:48 utc | 32 @ John Marks, 18
Japan is currently ruled by an exclusive, perennially re-elected clique of men who are descended (only by two generations!) from the WWII-era war criminals who gave the U.S. its bio-weapons program courtesy of mass mutilations of Chinese and Koreans (among others), all in the name of “Der Emperor!” Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 3 2023 18:48 utc | 33 Hi alek_a Posted by: Paul | Apr 3 2023 18:52 utc | 34 Re: Zambia Opposition leader remarks, Posted by: Tapio | Apr 3 2023 18:58 utc | 35 It’s quite a coincidence that Musk choose his dog as the new Twitter logo. The same breed of dog that is also the NAFO mascot. The same Musk that would re-instate Twitter to its core values again… whatever that would have meant. Meanwhile one after the other Twitter user a bit too critical on the NATO war effort against Russia gets banned. The same Musk who’s Starlink is actively used by the Ukrainian proxy army and NATO rear troops in the field disguised as mercenaries for communicating, targeting and navigating NATO missiles and a variety of drones to Russian targets… . The most effective evil is the one you don’t recognize. Posted by: xor | Apr 3 2023 19:00 utc | 36 In a article in todays Counterpunch, Roger McKenzie, a reporter for the Morning Star, and the general secretary of Liberation, one of the oldest UK human rights organizations, writes a fairly decent commentary about the stated United States policy since 1997, known as “Full Spectrum Dominance (FSD).” Posted by: Ed | Apr 3 2023 19:04 utc | 37 … a new 500k mobilization … but maybe a short-lived one. Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 3 2023 19:12 utc | 38 I would appreciate your perspective on this story, written by Russell Bentley, an American who has been living in Donbas since 2014. He is sharply critical of the way the Russians have conducted the intervention, expresses deep concerns for the possibility of a Russian defeat, and seems to have a very different take on Ukraine’s capabilities than the one I have mostly been reading. Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Apr 3 2023 19:23 utc | 39 @Martin Holsinger | Apr 3 2023 19:23 utc | 39 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 3 2023 19:34 utc | 40 anon 2020 @ 38 Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 3 2023 19:35 utc | 41 Roland no. 23 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 3 2023 19:38 utc | 42 It would be interesting to get some numbers of US tank, AFV, artillery and Himars production. Does anyone have ideas or guesstimates where to look for? Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 19:56 utc | 43 @ Pacifica_Advocate, §33: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 3 2023 19:59 utc | 44 Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Apr 3 2023 19:23 utc | 39 Posted by: Chris | Apr 3 2023 20:10 utc | 45 Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 3 2023 18:39 utc | 30 Posted by: Jerr | Apr 3 2023 20:10 utc | 46 It would be interesting to get some numbers of US tank, AFV, artillery and Himars production. Does anyone have ideas or guesstimates where to look for? Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 3 2023 20:12 utc | 47 @ Ed, §37: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 3 2023 20:22 utc | 48 “…Japan will do a deal with Russia: return of the Kurils in exchange for…” That won’t happen, Russian Constitution explicitly forbids selling or giving territory. Posted by: Phariah | Apr 3 2023 20:32 utc | 49 is richard steven hack on a holiday? maybe he has writers block too… Posted by: james | Apr 3 2023 20:44 utc | 50 I wonder if b has a chance to do some meta analysis on his clientele? I’m finding it v interesting 🧐 Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 3 2023 20:50 utc | 51 @46 Posted by: Anthony | Apr 3 2023 20:51 utc | 52 ……”The Democracy of the United States was stolen long time ago, Bill”…….. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Apr 3 2023 20:52 utc | 53 @ Phariah, §49: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 3 2023 20:52 utc | 54 Posted by: John Marks | Apr 3 2023 20:22 utc | 48 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2023 21:04 utc | 55 Martin Holsinger @39– There will be no Ukrainian counter offensive. Once Artyomovsk is completely liberated, the Ukrainian frontline will collapse very quickly. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Apr 3 2023 21:06 utc | 57 And when it comes time to invade Finland, it will be a pushover just like 1939. Posted by: Mike | Apr 3 2023 21:09 utc | 58 @Timewilltell #29 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 21:09 utc | 59 @ james | Apr 3 2023 20:44 utc | 50 Posted by: natokraine | Apr 3 2023 21:11 utc | 60 How could 80,000 Ukrainian troops, without air support and with inferior arty, do what 200,000 Russians can’t with superior firpower and air superiority? Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2023 21:12 utc | 61 Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Apr 3 2023 21:06 utc | 57 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 21:15 utc | 62 Posted by: Mike | Apr 3 2023 21:09 utc | 58 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2023 21:16 utc | 63 Anthony | Apr 3 2023 20:51 utc | 52 Posted by: Jerr | Apr 3 2023 21:18 utc | 64 Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 3 2023 21:06 utc | 56 Posted by: Mexicana | Apr 3 2023 21:20 utc | 65 @ Ed | Apr 3 2023 19:04 utc | 37 Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 3 2023 21:20 utc | 66 Everyone has their own opinion on these bridges over Dnieper, but I tend to agree to the extent that laws of universe dictate that the further west Russia goes to fight UAF, less logistical advantage they will have. The same applies in reverse for Nato-Ukraine. That’s a fact and most likely one that hasn’t been omitted in planning. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2023 21:27 utc | 67 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2023 21:12 utc | 61 Posted by: alek_a | Apr 3 2023 21:33 utc | 68 A few weeks ago Ukraine announced a new 500k mobilization over 4 months. This is to replace losses and build up 1st wave cannon foddet for offensive. It most likely will be temporarily enough to achieve a surge in troop numbers, but maybe a short-lived one. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Apr 3 2023 21:34 utc | 69 [ Album ] Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 21:37 utc | 70
No Russian leader in his right mind will ever return the Kurils. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 3 2023 21:40 utc | 71 @Jerr Posted by: Callmelennie | Apr 3 2023 21:41 utc | 72
The main complaint is that precisely because this is such a serious foe, the war should be fought accordingly, i.e. much more actively and seriously, and it is not. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 3 2023 21:42 utc | 73
Could have learned that from what people were writing a century ago. It was all there. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 3 2023 21:44 utc | 74 #1 Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 3 2023 21:46 utc | 75 Posted by: alek_a| 68 Posted by: Arcticman | Apr 3 2023 21:48 utc | 76 The Russian Armed Forces began to destroy the rear areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine: the video shows hits of missiles (or planning bombs) on the Balashovka railway station in Kharkov. It is she who is viewed on the video from the side of the automobile bridge along the street. Plekhanovskaya. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 21:52 utc | 77 Could it possibly be that we are in the middle of Zelensky’s spring offensive, but no one noticed ? Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 3 2023 21:55 utc | 78 @ shadowbanned, §71: Posted by: John Marks | Apr 3 2023 21:57 utc | 79 @Apollyon | Apr 3 2023 21:46 utc | 75 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 22:03 utc | 80 Feck the Fascists …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 22:10 utc | 81 @Don Firineach Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 3 2023 22:11 utc | 82 https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/z-blogger-assassinated-by-bomb-in
I don’t know what is up or down in Ukraine/Russia etc. But am increasingly of the view that regarding everything to do with the Outlaw US Empire is irredeemably wicked and everything to do with Russia and China as angelically pure is extremist thinking, therefore bound to be quite wrong. ⚡️ Ukrainian sources report explosions in Druzhkovka and Konstantinovka (under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces). An air alert has been declared in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine . Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 22:24 utc | 84 alek_a | Apr 3 2023 21:33 utc | 68 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 3 2023 22:24 utc | 85 Who are those two dancing on the bar …. must see this one … it is music night Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 22:26 utc | 86 James @50 Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 3 2023 22:27 utc | 87 james@50….troll shock, not unlike shell shock, except one must force oneself to stop banging one’s head against the wall. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 3 2023 22:28 utc | 88 Thanks for the responses. We’ll see what happens! Posted by: Martin Holsinger | Apr 3 2023 22:33 utc | 89
It wasn’t a pushover in 1939. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 3 2023 22:40 utc | 90
1956 was before SLBMs and modern ship-launched cruise missiles. Posted by: shadowbanned | Apr 3 2023 22:44 utc | 92 Don@80. Wow, what an extraordinary rendition of this song. Bordering on angry I would say. Brings home the true horrors of war. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 3 2023 22:52 utc | 93 In response to Pacifica_Advocate@30, Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 3 2023 22:55 utc | 94 @ John Marks, 44 Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 3 2023 22:55 utc | 95 Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 3 2023 22:55 utc | 94 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 3 2023 22:59 utc | 96 The pro-NATO MSM propaganda narrative in UK continues unabated. Posted by: Engineer-John | Apr 3 2023 23:05 utc | 97 Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 3 2023 21:06 utc | 56 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 3 2023 23:18 utc | 98 In response to unimperator@96, Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 3 2023 23:23 utc | 99 @ Jo Dominich | Apr 3 2023 22:52 utc | 93 & Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 3 2023 23:24 utc | 100 |
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