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April 30, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-103
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@Norwegian | May 1 2023 6:28 utc | 171
It turns out not to be a joke:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/59221 Posted by: Norwegian | May 1 2023 11:09 utc | 201 Posted by: William Gruff | May 1 2023 10:59 utc | 205 Posted by: unimperator | May 1 2023 11:13 utc | 202 There is some good news
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/59225 Posted by: Norwegian | May 1 2023 11:14 utc | 203 rk #178
Well, he has had supply issues ever since Ghislane Maxwell jumped in on his racket, took advantage of her papa’s media connections then ratted out the Bishops and Cardinals. IMO he is likely filching much Eastern Orthodox booty to stash in the Vatican vaults while he is at it. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2023 11:15 utc | 204 Wagner wasn’t prominent in Ukraine until much later in the conflict. When Mariupol was taken where was Wagner, when Severodonetsk and Lysychansk were taken where was Wagner? Never heard of Wagner with regards to the advances in Kherson, Zaporizhya or Kharkiv. First I heard of Wagner was when Soledar was taken, and then of course now with Bakhmut. But that was after Russia’s retreat and the gathering of the 300’000 troops specially for the SMO. Sure seems like Wagner was involved with 10% of the operations but is involved with like 90% of the talk with regards to the fighting. Posted by: gT | May 1 2023 11:21 utc | 205 Norwegian #209 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2023 11:23 utc | 206 The UN Population Division’s World Population Prospects (WPP) Report – a biennial – was released in mid-2022. Posted by: Yashuo | May 1 2023 11:38 utc | 207 @ Lev Davidovic, §2: Posted by: John Marks | May 1 2023 11:43 utc | 208
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17552
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17547 Posted by: Down South | May 1 2023 11:58 utc | 209 @unimperator 210 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 1 2023 12:06 utc | 210
Larry Johnson is a clown. His “analysis” is slapdash and jocular, and rife with personal complaints and vendettas. The only reason people are listening to him is because he’s not a raving neocon and he seems to be on the right general side of things, which just goes to show you how desperate people are for the truth. If people like Johnson, or that raving idiot Dima from the Military Summary Channel, can attain to minor celebrity status due to the sheer fact of not being bought-and-paid-for neocon shills, that is an important revelation about our day and age. Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | May 1 2023 12:16 utc | 211 Where was Wagner in 2022?
I was long suspicious about the very existence of “Wagner” and especially of Prigozhin’s claimed role in it. At first I thought “Wagner” was just a collective name for Russian military contractors.
In the spring of 2022 Wagner forces were working their way through Popasnaya, much in the same way as they are now working through Soledar and Bakhmut. Capturing Popasnaya enabled Russia to lay siege on Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. The fight for Popasnaya was depicted in the film Best of Hell, that was later filmed on site. Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 1 2023 12:25 utc | 212 Posted by: William Gruff | May 1 2023 10:59 utc | 205 Posted by: anon2020 | May 1 2023 12:37 utc | 213 I have to say that all the trumpeting of counter-offensive (with land offensives implied) reminds me a lot of the build-up to the 1991 attack on Iraq which had CNN and such like going on about amphibious landings ad nauseam. When the dust cleared, it was a sprint across open desert from positions in Saudi Arabia that was the strategy, and all Iraq’s preparations to defend against a massive attack from the sea were for naught. The build-up to that turkey shoot took several months. Posted by: BillB | May 1 2023 13:03 utc | 214 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 1 2023 10:50 utc | 204 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 1 2023 13:09 utc | 215 “There was no justification for the US in Iraq just as there is no justification for what Russia is doing in Ukraine.” Posted by: Cerena | May 1 2023 13:44 utc | 216 There was no justification for the US in Iraq just as there is no justification for what Russia is doing in Ukraine. Posted by: xiao pignouf | May 1 2023 14:38 utc | 217 @ 215 yashou, Posted by: james | May 1 2023 14:43 utc | 218 Posted by: xiao pignouf | May 1 2023 14:38 utc | 225 Posted by: irish al | May 1 2023 14:43 utc | 219
All of Ulraine east of the Zhytomyr-Vinnytsia line is core historic Russian territory. Posted by: shadowbanned | May 1 2023 14:47 utc | 220 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 1 2023 14:47 utc | 228
Here are a couple of things for – Noam A. Larkey | May 1 2023 8:51 utc | 187 – to read. This is from New York’s Village Voice, so perhaps it may make it through Noam’s Overton window. Posted by: lex talionis | May 1 2023 15:07 utc | 221 A little more Mykola Lebed for Noam. Lebed – Harvard Ukrainian Research Institue Posted by: lex talionis | May 1 2023 15:16 utc | 222 [187] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 1 2023 15:18 utc | 223 Yashuo @ 215: Posted by: Paul Spencer | May 1 2023 15:21 utc | 224 Posted by: BillB | May 1 2023 13:03 utc | 222 Posted by: Milites | May 1 2023 15:30 utc | 225 Posted by: William Gruff | May 1 2023 10:59 utc | 205 Posted by: Milites | May 1 2023 15:37 utc | 226 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 1 2023 12:06 utc | 218 Posted by: Milites | May 1 2023 16:16 utc | 227 Posted by: William Gruff | May 1 2023 10:59 utc | 205 Posted by: Inkan1969 | May 1 2023 16:34 utc | 228 https://t.me/yurasumy/8471 Posted by: la bouteille | May 1 2023 16:46 utc | 229 @ Posted by: Inkan1969 | May 1 2023 16:34 utc | 236 Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 1 2023 16:48 utc | 230 Biswappriya Purkayast @196 Posted by: stranger | May 1 2023 16:55 utc | 231 @la bouteille | May 1 2023 16:46 utc | 237 Posted by: the pessimist | May 1 2023 17:00 utc | 232 Posted by: unimperator | May 1 2023 9:20 utc | 190 Posted by: sln2002 | May 1 2023 17:06 utc | 233 Inkan1969 @ 236
Yes, and good gracious, sometimes the bar worries me. It’s not going to be an invasion force paddling across the river. The kayaks will be used to get squads of elite forces across the river at night to clear landing areas for a larger strike force pouring across in fast boats at first light. The Pentagon might well have calculated for a extremely high attrition rate to achieve the valuable beachheads, so, lots of kayaks. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | May 1 2023 17:16 utc | 234 Hearing (at last) lots of rumbling for Ze’s mortal dethronement. Posted by: Elmagnostic | May 1 2023 17:16 utc | 235 Wagner Troops Posted by: Jmaas | May 1 2023 17:33 utc | 236 Posted by: shadowbanned | May 1 2023 14:47 utc | 228 Posted by: Membrum Virile | May 1 2023 18:04 utc | 237 @ Membrum Virile, §245: Posted by: John Marks | May 1 2023 18:10 utc | 238 That is why I follow Karloff1, thank you so much for all your unselfish contributions. Posted by: stranger | May 1 2023 18:34 utc | 239 Posted by: John Marks | May 1 2023 18:10 utc | 246 Posted by: Membrum Virile | May 1 2023 18:37 utc | 240 What Russia’s recent missile and guided bomb attacks have revealed is the how and why Ukraine’s counter-offensive is going to fail. Russia is closely monitoring how Ukraine is accumulating its forces into large units, and it’s tracking the deployment of those forces, both the men, and their heavy equipment, including their vehicles. Posted by: Babel-17 | May 1 2023 19:00 utc | 241 Honestly barflies, and am not a silly concern troll.Pro Russian.From 2014, understand all the situ. Posted by: stranger | May 1 2023 19:50 utc | 242 If you take a stroll through Prighozin’s admittedly very colourful career, you will notice right away that he has no military service in his background. But suddenly everyone wants to hear from the CEO of Wagner Group, and he must be listened to for his priceless strategic insights. I find it dreadfully suspicious that Prigozhin has got his name in the UK and US papers and TV. We know that the press in the west omits characters at will, focuses in on silly stories as distractions and like to build up strawmen and surrogates as their players. The Russians themselves, do they discuss Prigozhin much? Is Navalny a serious factor etc? Posted by: Wokechoke | May 2 2023 3:38 utc | 244 BillB Posted by: Wokechoke | May 2 2023 4:43 utc | 245 #233 Posted by: Jmaas | May 2 2023 13:02 utc | 246 stranger Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2023 13:14 utc | 247 Gaddafi vs biden. https://twitter.com/REVMAXXING/status/1653373164204830722?cxt=HHwWhMC92cCI-_EtAAAA Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2023 13:19 utc | 248 Today is the gruesome anniversary of the Odessa killing of many ( 50 at least) in a fire set on Union Trade Building. Posted by: stranger | May 2 2023 14:59 utc | 249 @ Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2023 13:14 utc | 255 Posted by: fnord | May 2 2023 15:53 utc | 250 |
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