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April 30, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-103
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Russia Minister of Defense Shoigu Posted by: Dave Oneil | Apr 30 2023 14:22 utc | 1 Is ‘Euro-Vision’ (song contest) covered in US and RoW? Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 30 2023 14:44 utc | 2 Sorry tired grammar. By “propagandists here” I meant the BBC propagandists in the linked article. Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 30 2023 14:48 utc | 3 I read on here yesterday, I can’t unfortunately remember the posters name. I apologise to the poster for that, rude of me. Posted by: Ken Tucky | Apr 30 2023 14:59 utc | 4 MOD clobber report has a mention of another missile strike (most likely with several missiles) in Konstantinovka on 24th mech brigade reserve concentration near Konstaninovka. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 15:00 utc | 5 Shoigu: “The US is purposely provoking China and Russia, it is their plan for world domination.” Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Apr 30 2023 15:03 utc | 6 SO THIS IS IT THEN ON EVE OF MAY 2023 The counteroffensive starting point was clear from the beginning and it’s getting confirmed now. Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 30 2023 15:05 utc | 7 The Russian MOD says they hit a train in Kramatorsk destroying up to 200 tons of ammunition Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 30 2023 15:17 utc | 8 Bahkmut is all but lost to ukraine now so it would make sense to start fighting elsewhere so as to reduce the negative impact of that news. Fighting it at the eastern edge of the city, then ukraine can fight the glide bombs from their trench systems outside the city along the supply routes. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 30 2023 15:18 utc | 9 Thank you Barflies for your interesting answers to my question regarding peace negotiations. Lots to digest. Posted by: Exile | Apr 30 2023 15:27 utc | 10 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 30 2023 14:44 utc | 2 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Apr 30 2023 15:49 utc | 11 “weapons can’t be purchased with sanctions in place can they?” Posted by: kupkee | Apr 30 2023 15:50 utc | 12 They concluded that in the event of a severe defeat of the Ukrainian army Western Ukraine would effectively be folded into a Polish-Ukrainian Confederation Posted by: too scents | Apr 30 2023 15:55 utc | 13 For the heavily propagandized: Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 30 2023 16:00 utc | 14 Wagner’s Prigozhin Issues Most Dire Warning Yet Ahead of Ukrainian Counterattack It’s certainly not the sort of thing I hear from McGregor, Ritter, and Larry Johnson. Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 30 2023 16:07 utc | 16 NATO is Raging and Crying! The Liberation of ‘MARYINKA’ may Take Place in the Next Few Days! Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 16:07 utc | 17 Sober view on Prigozhin: Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 16:14 utc | 18 Thanks so much for the cascade of views Barflies. I know how much you love Victoria “Fuck the Eu” Nuland: hard to tell if prigozhin is reciting a script or telling the truth, who am i to know. Posted by: A.cagliostro | Apr 30 2023 16:35 utc | 20 After watching pretty much all of the Russian media coverage via Posted by: Oberbayer | Apr 30 2023 16:39 utc | 21 @Jams O’Donnell | Apr 30 2023 15:49 utc | 11 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 30 2023 16:57 utc | 22 Re: Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 30 2023 16:00 utc | 14
Yes, I’ve wondered this myself. Posted by: Julian | Apr 30 2023 16:58 utc | 23 Victor Orban has got it figured out Posted by: lapin | Apr 30 2023 17:00 utc | 24 @ Geraint ap Iorwerth | Apr 30 2023 15:05 utc | 7 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 30 2023 17:02 utc | 25 From Remylind 23 telegram channel…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Apr 30 2023 17:07 utc | 26 Prigozhin’s has sold you all a silk purse…that is actually a sow’s ear! Posted by: donten | Apr 30 2023 17:09 utc | 27 @Longhorn | Apr 30 2023 16:00 utc | 14 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 30 2023 17:13 utc | 28 It’s game over for ukraine … poland ‘the hyena’ is waiting on the sidelines… Posted by: AI | Apr 30 2023 17:19 utc | 29 Russia has been hit hard from sanctions they absolutely need to sell to India, people in Russia need to eat. Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 30 2023 17:19 utc | 30 @Oberbayer | Apr 30 2023 16:39 utc | 21 Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 30 2023 17:22 utc | 31
Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 17:25 utc | 32
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/17524 Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 17:28 utc | 34 unimperator | Apr 30 2023 16:14 utc | 18 Posted by: extremebuilder | Apr 30 2023 17:28 utc | 35
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17525 Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 17:29 utc | 36
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17527 Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 17:32 utc | 37 Can you imagine if any of these latest Natzo claims re a Wagner CEO interview are true? And *still* Russia is defeating and demilitarizing Natzo? Then Putin was understated when he said “we really haven’t even started anything yet”. Posted by: natokraine | Apr 30 2023 17:37 utc | 38
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17530 Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 17:37 utc | 39 @ Longhorn, #14 Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 30 2023 17:40 utc | 40
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/43912 Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 17:43 utc | 41 Pepe Escobar provides a different interpretation of the Xi/Zelensky phone call, “What China Is Really Playing at in Ukraine”. The appetizer:
Pepe also mentions the SCO Defense Minister’s meeting that just took place in India which has gone unnoticed here. Being currently based in Moscow has allowed Pepe access to important sources that didn’t exist for him before. He’s been on RT several times, a guest on The Great Game TV program twice, and a participant in the Online Global Multipolar Conference. And his Telegram has become another information portal far better than two months ago. Longhorn @ 14 Posted by: young | Apr 30 2023 18:22 utc | 43 “Ah yes, I remember Biden giving a speech in which he claims that Russia has no historical right to exist as a sovereign state…” Posted by: line islands | Apr 30 2023 18:23 utc | 44 @16 Longhorn Posted by: Leonardo | Apr 30 2023 18:28 utc | 45 Russia isn’t selling oil to the west. India and Singapore and the Saudis, etc are buying Russian oil and oil products. They’re selling those products on to the west and making a profit doing so. Those making the profit are growing accustomed to it and to working with Russians. It’s called soft power. Posted by: Lex | Apr 30 2023 18:35 utc | 46 I notice the perplexing ‘news’ contradictions regarding the musicians. Posted by: Robert Hope | Apr 30 2023 18:36 utc | 47 karlof1@42 Posted by: bevin | Apr 30 2023 18:36 utc | 48 Prigozhin is on the ammo warpath…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Apr 30 2023 18:38 utc | 49 re Prigozhin. after the UK Sun , UK Defense Ministry and NAFO , why not do some grade A trolling. im suprised he didnt go as far as saying he will rip putins cancerous liver out if he doesnt get what he wants. Posted by: hankster | Apr 30 2023 18:39 utc | 50 Has putin not yet expired? Posted by: Robert Hope | Apr 30 2023 18:51 utc | 51 Posted by: kupkee | Apr 30 2023 15:50 utc | 12 Posted by: Response2 | Apr 30 2023 18:53 utc | 52 @bevin Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 30 2023 19:12 utc | 53 I can see many people of troll identity waiting for Putins demise, the simple fact is if you got your wish , I think most will agree a stronger harder replacement will be there in the wings as a new leader with the full on intent to completely destroy Ukraine and the west. It can be Akin if somebody killed Joe Biden. Any reason to blame Russia/China\ Iran or whoever is on this weeks sanctions list. Neocons are obsessive which will be there downfall. Posted by: Scot1and | Apr 30 2023 19:27 utc | 54
This gets to the heart of the matter. Russian nationalist patriots inside the military/corporate/finance/media/bureaucracy complex are few. The likes of Vicky Nuland have an army of minions handing out bribes so people will commit small acts of treason disguised as incompetence. Unless Russians depose their globalist elites and their middle management minions, they are finished, same as the west. The front lines are not in the Donbass, they are in Moscow and St Petersburg. Posted by: Drifter | Apr 30 2023 19:31 utc | 55 Pavlograd railway area hit heavily. huge fires light up the night sky. large men and machinery transfers destroyed of the AFU. Posted by: hankster | Apr 30 2023 19:44 utc | 56 Happening: “Ukrainian telegram channels report the presence of fourteen Tu-95MS strategic bombers in the air” Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 30 2023 19:55 utc | 57
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/43994 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2023 20:00 utc | 58 More FUD, particularly the latter–Distortion–from today’s crop of trolls. Their desperation increases at the same pace as Ukraine’s losses. I wonder when they’ll switch to China, whcih they know even less about.
Posted by: Down South | Apr 30 2023 20:05 utc | 60 I wondered when the first deep fake would be used as a weapon of war .perhaps its this one!! Posted by: WRFB | Apr 30 2023 20:07 utc | 61
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/44002 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2023 20:10 utc | 62 young @ 43 Posted by: Dferg | Apr 30 2023 20:13 utc | 63 Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 30 2023 14:44 utc | 2 Posted by: Passerby | Apr 30 2023 20:16 utc | 64 @55 it is true and not particularly welcome to say here. Russia has a big problem with wanna be Europeans 5th columnists especially in the central bank and military. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 30 2023 20:18 utc | 65 Number of aircraft increasing still
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/62509 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2023 20:18 utc | 66 Posted by: Drifter | Apr 30 2023 19:31 utc | 55 Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 30 2023 20:32 utc | 67 Missile attack in Pavlohrad that appears to have destroyed UKR AD Posted by: Gengar | Apr 30 2023 20:39 utc | 69 Here is the long version of the Ukronazi execution of the Wagner troops that Prigozhin mentioned the other week. Barbarians, and they (or someone) are trying to fundraise off the video. Posted by: LGB! | Apr 30 2023 20:46 utc | 70 “Prigozhin is on the ammo warpath…. Posted by: osi | Apr 30 2023 20:48 utc | 71 Anyone know why Russia hasn’t taken out the RR lines in Ukraine? Over 1 year into the “SMO” and Ukraine can still import weapons via rail and move them around Ukraine. Maybe they just want Dementia Joe to visit Zelensky once a year? Posted by: Dulles_Did_Dallas | Apr 30 2023 20:48 utc | 72 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2023 20:00 utc | 58 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 20:49 utc | 73
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https://t.me/ZandVchannel/62512 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 30 2023 20:50 utc | 74 ” Russia Minister of Defense Shoigu Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 30 2023 20:51 utc | 75 “Air defence in Pavlograd mostly gone 😁” Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 20:54 utc | 76 Anyone know why Russia hasn’t taken out the RR lines in Ukraine? Over 1 year into the “SMO” and Ukraine can still import weapons via rail and move them around Ukraine. Maybe they just want Dementia Joe to visit Zelensky once a year? Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 30 2023 20:57 utc | 77 BTW, Zelensky just came out saying the CounterOffensive™ needs to be postponed due to the leaked documents in the US like a month ago or something. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 21:02 utc | 78 ” Russia has been hit hard from sanctions they absolutely need to sell to India, people in Russia need to eat. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 30 2023 21:03 utc | 79 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 30 2023 21:03 utc | 79 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 21:07 utc | 80 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 21:07 utc | 80 Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 21:08 utc | 81 Offensive this, counteroffensive that, ad infinitum. Boring! Posted by: Fudup | Apr 30 2023 21:09 utc | 82 ⚡️Unprecedented attack on enemy air defense by 10 Russian TU-95MC Heavy Bombers. A number of Ukrainian S-300 systems were destroyed at a railway junction in Pavlograd. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 21:29 utc | 83 Dulles_Did_Dallas @ 72 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 30 2023 21:29 utc | 84 “In Kiev, Major General Volodymyr Oleinik, who commanded the territorial defense units, was shot dead near his home.” Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 30 2023 21:45 utc | 85 “The Ukrainian media are reporting dozens of Russian ships, submarines, and strategic bombers, which should launch a powerful volley of hundreds of missiles at targets on the territory of Ukraine any minute. Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 30 2023 21:53 utc | 86 @ LightYearsFromHome | Apr 30 2023 21:29 utc | 84 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 30 2023 21:57 utc | 87 Dunno if the news of 16 S-300 launchers (two divisions?) is true but that is irrecoverable loss for Nato. They simply have nothing of the quality or numbers to come anywhere near replacing them. Posted by: unimperator | Apr 30 2023 22:01 utc | 88 Don Firineach @ 53 Most important write up of the day, maybe the month, maybe the year. Sides are being drawn up, less and less gray area, soon it’ll be black and white, and world war. That how it always goes. Maybe with a little luck this time it’ll go different, this time one of the sides is coalescing to avoid war. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 30 2023 22:04 utc | 89 @ Apollyon | Apr 30 2023 21:53 utc | 86 Posted by: whirlX | Apr 30 2023 22:11 utc | 90 I speculated, but definitely didn’t predict today’s mass effort by Russia. Ukraine couldn’t begin its well-publicized major offensive until the ground dries, which looks likely to happen soon. The longer that Russia waited, the more NATO equipment that will have been delivered and waiting to be destroyed. Finishing clearing Artemovsk freed one of their urban-warfare forces. (I’ll try to not call it Bakhmut any more since it is back in Russian hands.) Posted by: barstool | Apr 30 2023 22:13 utc | 91 Oh, yea, the early that Russia shows the obvious inability of Ukraine to win, the more it hurts the pro-Ukrainian candidates for US President. Posted by: barstool | Apr 30 2023 22:17 utc | 92 barstool: but all of the candidates are pro-Ukraine. Trump is, at best, neutral…until he appoints more Pompeo and Bolton types. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 30 2023 22:37 utc | 94 @LGB! | Apr 30 2023 22:40 utc | 95 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 30 2023 22:44 utc | 95 LGB!: One of the good things about Trump is that he’d rather cut deals than conform to ideologies. I just hope that Trump is no longer interested in (or feels compelled to) cutting deals with the Deep State. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 30 2023 22:46 utc | 96 the pessimist: true dat. At some point, however, blind self-interest is more likely to intersect with the survival of humanity than Derp State imperialism. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 30 2023 22:49 utc | 97 hmm…is “derp state imperialism” a typo or a Freudian insight? Posted by: malenkov | Apr 30 2023 22:51 utc | 98 @ Posted by: barstool | Apr 30 2023 22:13 utc | 91 Posted by: BroncoBilly | Apr 30 2023 22:56 utc | 99 @malenkov | Apr 30 2023 22:37 utc | 94 Posted by: barstool | Apr 30 2023 23:00 utc | 100 |
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