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April 22, 2023
The Biden Campaign’s Deep State Conspiracy To Discredit The Hunter Biden Laptop

by Debs is Dead
lifted from a comment

Frankly I'm not sure where to post any more as 'not Ukraine' threads age for so long before being replaced that I doubt many but the most assiduous readers get to discover news which is actually vital to comprehending the Amerikan empire decline.
Not to worry I'll stick to the ancient rules & post here.

Which discloses former temporary CIA boss Michael Morell's conspiracy to discredit the Hunter Biden laptop tosh:

An all-time media blackout is in effect. We’re experiencing real-time Sovietization. by Matt Taibbi

It transpires that the infamous incident before the 2020 election in which 50 former intelligence officials signed an open letter declared a New York Post expose about Hunter Biden’s laptop to have the “classic earmarks of a Russian information operation” was instigated at the behest of the Joe Biden campaign. This at least is the allegation in a letter to Secretary of State Anthony Blinken released by Jim Jordan, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, and Subcommittee on the Weaponization of Government.

In that letter, which is not easy to find, you’ll see three snippets of dialogue from questioning of Morell, who appears to have organized the open letter. In the first snippet, he explains that the idea originated with a call from Blinken, then of the Biden campaign, and that absent that call, Morell wouldn’t have done what he did:


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In the second snippet Morell bluntly explains that he did it because “I wanted him to win,” him being Joe Biden.

The snippets are from congressional record. Matt has them, read them through the link above I provided.

Matt calls this the 'Sovietization' of Amerika a metaphor that I'm not particularly comfortable with as Soviet bureaucrats used to claim with some justification that their efforts to control information was in the people's interest. Anyway arguing over history rarely does anything more than cement the debaters to their particular position but Morell's corruption is too recent to be considered history given that Biden is hoping to run again.

Morell can make no such claim his move was outta self interest, he hoped to be appointed CIA director in a Biden presidency.

There is such a naive belief in the alleged worth of the so-called 'Amerikan experiment' which IMO has been corrupt from its outset, that getting out any information at all which discredits this most vicious of all empires is a vital job for those who say "Enough!" even if it is a naively recent dissatisfaction.

Read Taibbi's post and spread it about as far & wide as possible is my recommendation.

Comments

Posted by: Mary | Apr 23 2023 0:32 utc | 99
I couldn’t find anything about the niece in that report I linked up above. I’ll check again, maybe the word search function is broken or something.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:34 utc | 101

“…What did “make America great” was abundant natural resources and an independent, hard-working populace made up mostly of European immigrants who wanted a better life for themselves and their children, along with tariffs that allowed industrial development, after they caused the American Civil War.” Ciaran@72
African slavery and all that it entailed? Junior partner the British Empire, as the main supplier of raw materials, cotton, grain and foodstuffs? Serial genocides freeing up resources for the capitalist class and shattering hopes of unity among the toilers? Generations of stealing intellectual property, copyrights and machinery patents. Plundering Latin America from New Orleans westwards and south… etc etc.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 0:35 utc | 102

@Posted by: Ed | Apr 22 2023 23:20 utc | 87

Most objective observers in the DP know that Biden is a looser in 2024 (unless Trump runs). Kamala Harris is not a contender either. God help us, but the Hillary may well think she has a chance. I doubt it, but she has proven to be one of the most vicious pigs in the Democratic Party pigsty.

The US capitalist elite are more than ready to throw a selected few of their own (or their gofers) under the bus to protect the whole. I can see deals being done with either Kennedy Jr. or Trump to dump the neocons, Fauci (“he lied to us” they will scream) and the Biden family (Joe will suddenly be old and senile and its disgusting to attack an old senile guy, the Reagan gambit after Contragate threatened him). Hunter has lots of nefarious goings on with the Chinese that can be propagandistically exploited and Ukraine will be made to disappear – just like Afghanistan, The hard headed ones will tell the sacrificed to play along and they will be ok in the end, or else bad things will happen to them and their families. Just like Martha Stewart took that insider trading fall to avert attention from the really big dot com era crimes, served some months in a “prison” and is now back in the mainstream and a billionaire to boot.
Tulsi Gabbard would make a great VP to help the elite maneuver and fool the people once again that real change is coming.
Some quiet deal will be done with the Russians, and the US elite will target their shared enemy- the Chinese Party-state.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2023 0:36 utc | 103

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:33 utc | 100
Thank you for doing the research!

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 0:37 utc | 104

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 22 2023 22:03 utc | 72
In addition to bevin’s response, I offer the following reading material.
https://thesaker.is/nations-built-on-lies-how-the-us-became-rich/
Another thing that constantly gets neglected is precisely *whom* “America” was ever great *for* and at what point in its history. Until the 1960s most Black folk would probably say not much was great, unless of course you’re one of those people who thinks that they should be thankful for slavery because…Africa. But then you’d be ignoring the reasons that Africa is what it is. Namely, the continued externalization of the negative effects of Western greed, avarice and disdain for the natural environment.
But leaving that aside, Native Americans, Japanese, Mexicans and poor working class Whites, especially those who made the often fatal mistake of trying to unionize, would all probably also agree that the USA was never really that great at all.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:40 utc | 105

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 0:37 utc | 104
I should have added some clarifying details. Not sure how her affiliation with the Republican party began, but she was a self-described “progressive” in her younger years. Either way, IMO just more proof that once someone like her goes to D.C. they realize quickly what makes for a lucrative, ascendant career there – neocon military policy, embrace of the federal surveillance/security state and neoliberal domestic and foreign economic policy are a must, apparently.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:44 utc | 106

@Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 0:35 utc | 102
A little known fact is that at the end of WW1 the US confiscated 10,000s of German patents, allowing US industry to grow its own massive chemical industries such as Du Pont (which was predominantly a manufacturer of gunpowder until the 1920s), and many other advanced industries. After WW2 they just stole the scientists.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2023 0:45 utc | 107

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 0:21 utc | 97
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But it is true for fascism as well. The word has a meaning, a content, but few understand the basics of that content; they use the term with little thought about what it means. There is good literature about the subject, and I recommend, and keep in my Library the following books, among others.
1. Nazism, Fascism, and the Working Class by Tim Mason.
2. The Anatomy of Fascism, by Robert O. Paxton
I am sure that other well-informed people at MoA know of other well-written and researched titles on the subject as well.
As far as communist and socialist ideas are concerned, Marx, Engels, Lenin are an absolute necessity. If you haven’t read their basic works, then your comments are worth about as much a turd flowing in the sewer. If you get your Marxism from the pro-capitalist media and writers, then you were informed by turds.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 23 2023 0:55 utc | 108

“Make America Great Again” was first coined by Ronald Reagan’s 1980 presidential campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBfzwycHOcY

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:59 utc | 109

” And I am the person accused by you of anti-semitism, read Tom@59 and, perhaps mine @2 again and you will see that you were mistaken.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 21:52 utc | 69 ”
At this point in history, being accused of Anti-Khazarian views is a badge of honor. Why are you so concerned about it ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 1:15 utc | 110

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:44 utc | 106

But leaving that aside, Native Americans, Japanese, Mexicans and poor working class Whites, especially those who made the often fatal mistake of trying to unionize, would all probably also agree that the USA was never really that great at all.

I have a mongrel USA pedigree which I won’t go into. I think people in the US get along pretty well. Internal subversion is an excellent tool to break apart a society. You left out a bunch of other race / ethnicities in the list of USA humans who perhaps have gotten the short end of the slender reed the USA offers the lumpen proles.
The “man” has always been not with “us” in the USA. I know you get that. At least there is a chance here to better oneself, provided one is willing to do a trailerload of work! It worked for my mongrel family, to a certain extent.
Thank you for the additional information!

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 1:18 utc | 111

@Tom_Q_Collins 100
“So again, another careerist Swamp Creature that understands it’s all about how much of a chameleon you can be in Washington and that ultimately, at that level, party affiliation is mostly irrelevant”
I sent the video of the Twitter Hearing to friends pointing out that it actually would offer material for a theatre piece.
The staged character of this hearing was so obvious.
At times it made it even difficult for me to actually process the political material discussed there. Instead I was thinking about these characters sitting there and pondering about theirs lives their pasts and how they had become people sitting their pulling this off, without blushing.
Eventually all this to me made only sense in a narrative context, that is theatre, film or TV series.
Because to politically take any of this seriously as of: to discuss it, is just impossible.
So I sought refuge in fiction.

Posted by: AG | Apr 23 2023 1:23 utc | 112

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:40 utc | 105
So what was Central and Southern Africa’s excuse before the evil white people came?

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:24 utc | 113

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 0:21 utc | 97
It’s very hard to define a Communist, because when a nation that practices Communism and calls itself Communist fails, all the Communists claim it wasn’t really Communist after all.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:43 utc | 114

So what was Central and Southern Africa’s excuse before the evil white people came?
Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:24 utc | 113″
The White man was already keeping them down remotely using psychic powers.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 1:49 utc | 115

“It’s very hard to define a Communist, because when a nation that practices Communism and calls itself Communist fails, all the Communists claim it wasn’t really Communist after all.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:43 utc | 114”
And when a Capitalist nation fails.(which is often) They always blame it on the Communist minority faction of that nation.
LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Apr 23 2023 1:50 utc | 116

Longhorn | Apr 22 2023 22:54 utc | 81
“Biden is far-left and far-left people would have voted for him.”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 23 2023 1:52 utc | 117

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:59 utc | 109
Yup, same reason why Trump coined it, both were campaigning to clean up after economic incompetence and waste. Carter legacy though was relatively benign, compared to Obama’s and to a certain extent Bush’s.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:54 utc | 118

So much willful ignorance has shown up, LOL.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:24 utc | 113
Oh, gee, I dunno. Let’s consult the texts or find the transcripts of the oral history given by actual Africans, shall we? In the absence of that, I’d simply ask you how what any other societies around the world were doing in 1442 AD, which is when the first Europeans made it to Sub-Saharan Africa.
Or the other way to answer it is that the history in the time since has rendered what happened before almost completely irrelevant.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:43 utc | 114
LOL have you checked in with Vietnam lately? China?
But let’s focus on the “failing” ones…
How about Cuba, which has existed with a Red White and Blue (TM) boot on their commie necks since the 1950s?
Or what about socialist Venezuela which has dealt with roughly the same for 20+ years now?
Gee, it’s almost as if the United States isn’t capable of leaving them commies alone to either succeed or fail on their own, isn’t it?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 1:49 utc | 115
As noted, Euro-trash got to Africa a helluva long time ago. What has transpired in the roughly 600 years since then is what counts, not whatever the various tribes were doing before “we” arrived and started writing our own version of their history for them.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 1:58 utc | 119

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:54 utc | 118
I wasn’t asking for the Rush Limbaugh version of history. Of course I know what Reagan was going for. The point is that it’s a throwaway, but ever useful campaign line that is meant to evoke the period of ____ to _____ in the memories of their target voters and donors. Namely, well heeled upper middle class to upper class white folks with persecution complexes. And it ignores the experience of the lower classes and racial minorities (who of course were/are mostly lower classes, but who also had to deal with lynchings and segregation). When Trump recycled the phrase, it was of course aimed at the same target audience, but with the “benefit” of 30 years of neoliberal Reaganite austerity having worked its “magic” on the “left-behind” lower middle class white voters who much preferred the strong unions, manufacturing jobs, social safety net (ya know, socialism) and general feeling of comfort borne of geographic isolation from the rest of the world which they got to enjoy without understanding the inconvenient truths about what the USG was doing on behalf of private capital/finance overseas in places like Africa and Vietnam.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 2:03 utc | 120

” As noted, Euro-trash got to Africa a helluva long time ago. What has transpired in the roughly 600 years since then is what counts, not whatever the various tribes were doing before “we” arrived and started writing our own version of their history for them.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 1:58 utc | 119 ”
At what stage of civilizational development would Sub-Saharan Africans be at right now if they never had any contact with Europeans ? Do tell.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 2:04 utc | 121

At what stage of civilizational development would Sub-Saharan Africans be at right now if they never had any contact with Europeans ? Do tell.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 2:04 utc | 121
So you’re asking me to provide “psychic” services free of charge?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 2:05 utc | 122

” So you’re asking me to provide “psychic” services free of charge?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 2:05 utc | 122 ”
No, I’m asking you to use your logical reasoning skills. Or is that too much to ask ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 2:10 utc | 123

well if the fblie arrests the bidens and they all go to jail and all the dimocrats and rinos that are in on all of the corruption are exposed and tried and jailed then then ic can’t use them any more; and their whole con comes tumbling down doesn’t it.

Posted by: ontoiran | Apr 23 2023 2:17 utc | 124

it looks to me like they’re trying to tell biden he’s not running in 2024 and if he wants to keep his family out of jail he should take the hint

Posted by: ontoiran | Apr 23 2023 2:21 utc | 125

An excellent essay on the media and its declining credibility in the Weekly Worker
“Reinforcing state control”
There is a close link between a hegemon’s diminishing role and that of the media, argues Daniel Lazare
“The US monopoly on energy and information is coming apart at the seams. But, the more it does, the more Washington struggles to stitch it back together – with a little help from its friends in the lapdog press.
“This is what connects Nord Stream with the latest Pentagon leaks. Just about everyone knows who blew up the Russo-German gas pipeline on September 26 2023, yet a code of omertà binds the major players to silence. As The Washington Post reported on April 3,
“At gatherings of European and Nato policymakers, officials have settled into a rhythm, said one senior European diplomat: ‘Don’t talk about Nord Stream’. Leaders see little benefit from digging too deeply and finding an uncomfortable answer, the diplomat said, echoing sentiments of several peers in other countries, who said they would rather not have to deal with the possibility that Ukraine or allies were involved.
“It’s like a corpse at a family gathering,” the Post source went on. “It’s better not to know.”1
“Not to be outdone, The New York Times sent a journalist on a grand tour of the Baltic, only to come up with the same answer on April 7: “Is there any interest from the authorities to come out and say who did this? There are strategic reasons for not revealing who did it,” the reporter quoted Danish naval commander Jens Wenzel Kristoffersen as saying. “As long as they don’t come out with anything substantial, then we are left in the dark on all this – as it should be.”2…..
“…. With four out of the five top global social-media companies located in the United States, America exercises immense sway over what people see, hear and read via newspapers, TV and the internet. Its goal, therefore, is to use information to control what people think about its energy monopoly and the extremes to which it has gone to protect it.
“But there is a problem. Immense sway is not the same as total domination, which is why, the more the US attempts to impose conformity, the more the 64% of the globe with internet access opts to compare and contrast the official narrative with other sources.6 Those sources range from Breitbart and QAnon to the Weekly Worker. Although there is no question that the right is predominant in an era of galloping conservatism, what is important is how rapidly control is breaking down. No matter how many times Antony Blinken says the US did not blow up Nord Stream, more and more people around the world believe the opposite.
“Something else is losing steam: the official narrative that the democratic world is standing shoulder to shoulder against a Russian invasion of Ukraine that was entirely unprovoked…..”
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1439/reinforcing-state-control/

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 2:22 utc | 126

At this point in history, being accused of Anti-Khazarian views is a badge of honor. Why are you so concerned about it ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 1:15 utc | 110
you seem to have made habit of turning you cheap self inside out and indulging in anti Jewish drivel, being an East European, make you legitimately vile to commit defecation to the screen with such excrement, it is always racist diatribes about Iranian, Indians , Africans etc.
Suggesting that Germans should forget about HOLOHOX. It wasn’t first time that Germans were committing mass murder on industrial scale, in 1904 German state committed Genocide in Namibia and proudly document it.
The word KHAZAR is a misnomer, and has nothing to do with Jews, Judaism and Zionism,
Khazar is a Persian word that means Caspian, this is the word , type it in Google Translator and see what you get, this word came to use by the Arabs , and after the capture of the Library at Cordoba Spain, it spread to Europe. Khazar refers to Caspian, and any one that lived around that see was referred to as Khazar by Invading Arab armies. Khazar is interchangeable with Khwarazm, where Algorithm comes from.
Caspian خزر
More recent Name: دریای خزر
Caspian Sea بحر خزر(Old Name)

Posted by: Grishka | Apr 23 2023 2:29 utc | 127

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 2:03 utc | 120
Reagan was an interesting character. A true ideologue. He fought the commies in the 40s/50s in Hollyweird. Head of the Screen Actors Guild. That sounds like a UNION to me! Let’s turn that square into a circle. HUAC and all. He was pretty Birchered-out for the rest of the time. People like to say he was a b-movie actor, but he was a quite successful and a fairly smart cat during his day.
BUT…Thanks to him, we have the degradation of brakes on the pharmaceutical business leading to that which shall not be named.
He was the perfect ideologue to counter his cold war adversaries. It’s a huge joke.
REAGAN = Brezhnev/Andropov/Cherneynko. Gorbachev is a loser who I hope is burning in his hell of the Union of Militant Athiests.
We’re the joke and they’re all laughing in Astana, Brussels, Davos, Delaware, Napa Valley or wherever.
We proles are screwed. Year zero. f em all.
Thanks for provoking a very interesting conversation! I really appreciate everything you write. As well as everyone else, even if we don’t agree.
Let’s sharpen the knives for others!
I have about 13 songs to post, but I will spare you all. And mostly our wonderful host, b. I am saving up dough for the next installment, Sir.
Much love to the crew.
I believe in autuarky. And sortition (my new favorite word) – Big up ZimZum!!

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 2:40 utc | 128

“At what stage of civilizational development would Sub-Saharan Africans be at right now if they never had any contact with Europeans ? Do tell.”
A very silly question-Africans, living above, below and throughout the Sahara have been in contact with europeans for millennia.
What you, as an ignorant racist, are suggesting is that somehow Africans were lucky when Euopean slave traders discovered that, for a wide variety of reasons, not only was the continent a fertile source of slaves for sale but that (see contacts over millennia above) unlike the population of America they were immune to diseases carried by europeans-diseases which had led, together with appalling behaviour by colonists, to the shrinking of the population to the point that labour for plantations and mines was in short supply. They were also immune to diseases like yellow fever which were endemic in C18th America.
It is hard to see any benefits to Africa from the post Colombian contact with Europeans, although generally all sides benefit from cultural exchanges, but it is easy to see what both Europe and America gained from massive (we can leave it to the Reparations commissions to quantify) infusions of African labour.
The sugar and cotton industries were entirely reliant on African slaves. The rice industry in the US was notoriously established by Africans imported for their expertise. Neither Glasgow, Liverpool, Bristol or Manchester would have grown as they did without cotton and sugar. The shipbuilding industries of the UK, the Netherlands and the northeastern states all depended upon plantation produced commodities, including also tobacco and indigo for the triangular trade and the transatlantic connections, both of which were grounded in the slave trade, which also gave a boost to the trade in Bengal cottons and calicos from Coromandel. As to the European arms trade, guns were the essential currency in the slave trade- as well as the magical means of lowering the costs of wquisition.
Perhaps we should be wondering what would have happened to the USA if it had not been built up economically and culturally by sub Saharan Africans.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 2:45 utc | 129

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 0:21 utc | 97
It’s very hard to define a Communist, because when a nation that practices Communism and calls itself Communist fails, all the Communists claim it wasn’t really Communist after all.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:43 utc | 114
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Slavery, Feudalism, and Capitalism did not happen in a day. Socialism/ Communism will also require many trials and errors. Nevertheless, unless you really think Capitalism is the End of History, then some form of collective and cooperative human existence will emerge. It is necessary for human survival.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 23 2023 2:45 utc | 130

Heck, even RFK, Junior, is in favor of the war mongers, the very people that killed his father and his uncle.
Posted by: kupkee | Apr 22 2023 17:07 utc | 8
I have no idea where you got that absurd notion from, kupkee, but from everything I’ve read to date about RFKjr, it sounds like utter bullshit.
Care to substantiate that claim with a link??

Posted by: JMF | Apr 23 2023 2:55 utc | 131

At what stage of civilizational development would Sub-Saharan Africans be at right now if they never had any contact with Europeans ? Do tell.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 2:04 utc | 121
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They would have been where they should have been according to nature and their circumstances. The question is where are they now after 600 plus years of western colonialism, slavery, and the thief and destruction of their natural resources, by white fucks like you.?
Today, they are telling white fucks like you to get the hell of their country.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 23 2023 3:00 utc | 132

” The word KHAZAR is a misnomer, and has nothing to do with Jews, Judaism and Zionism,
Khazar is a Persian word that means Caspian, this is the word , type it in Google Translator and see what you get, this word came to use by the Arabs , and after the capture of the Library at Cordoba Spain, it spread to Europe. Khazar refers to Caspian, and any one that lived around that see was referred to as Khazar by Invading Arab armies. Khazar is interchangeable with Khwarazm, where Algorithm comes from.
Posted by: Grishka | Apr 23 2023 2:29 utc | 127 ”
First: I’ve never said anything about Iranians, you’re just projecting. In fact, non – Arabized Iranians are kin.
” I am Darius the great king, king of kings, king of countries containing all kinds of men, king in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achæmenid, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage. ”
Second: ” It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. ”
– Khazaria: A Forgotten Jewish Empire –
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/khazaria-forgotten-jewish-empire

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 3:05 utc | 133

Posted by: JMF | Apr 23 2023 2:55 utc | 131
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JMF, it is all over the mainstream press and media. It is true, and it is necessary to be a candidate in the two party capitalist system.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 23 2023 3:05 utc | 134

It’s very hard to define a Communist, because when a nation that practices Communism and calls itself Communist fails, all the Communists claim it wasn’t really Communist after all.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:43 utc | 114
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Do us all a favor and don’t define them at all. Concentrate on those capitalist fuckers the Dem’s and Repugs who are waging a war against the people of Russia. That should be enough to keep you busy.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 23 2023 3:15 utc | 135

lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 2:40 utc | 128
My pleasure. Glad to have been of some service Lex. Cheers.

Posted by: ZimZum | Apr 23 2023 3:27 utc | 136

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:59 utc | 109
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Reagan certainly fulfilled his “Mourning in America” slogan.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 23 2023 3:29 utc | 137

Who does the CIA work for?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2023 22:08 utc | 73
Whilst I haven’t direct knowledge of the answer to your question, the history of the agency and its origins have been studied by others. I point to the work of Aaron Good, excerpted below, who argues that we in USA live in a tripartite state where the “overworld” (defined below) wields increasing unaccountable powers. We are now witnessing ( my observation) its tectonic disintegration and possible realignment. The agency was a creation of those interests, which are supranational.

American Exception: Hegemony and the Dissimulation of the State
“…These cases illustrate the US strategy of maintaining hegemony and material superiority by allowing US and other allied business interests to systematically expropriate the patrimony of various developing nations. These policies were ostensibly undertaken on Cold War grounds, but they predate and antedate the Cold War… The broad geopolitical strategic arc has consistently evolved along lines first articulated by the Wall Street–dominated Council on Foreign Relations in the War and Peace Studies Project. This hegemonic blueprint was formulated prior to US entry into World War II.66[Shoup and Minter, Imperial Brain Trust]
“If post–World War II foreign policy is taken as a whole, it is difficult to conceive of a more profitable way to pursue US grand strategy from the perspective of corporate executives and shareholders. Wall Street played the key role in creating the CIA and in surreptitiously creating an operations arm which quickly came to eclipse the intelligence gathering role for which the agency was ostensibly established. It is crucial to grasp the influence of the overworld [Peter Dale Scott uses the term “overworld” to describe the highest strata of politically active private wealth] to understand why the United States would rely so heavily on covert violence to promote the primacy of international corporate property rights in the name of anti-communism. The United Nations (UN) Charter outlaws aggression or even threats of aggression against other states. The United States has ratified this treaty. Because the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution establishes that ratified treaties are “the supreme law of the land,” the US government has been acting in a de facto state of exception throughout the Cold War era and up to the present.
“Assessed with a measure of critical detachment, the continuity of the hegemonic project is discernable without reference to the evolving and often ad hoc pretexts. The Cold War and the “Global War on Terror” have served as open-ended emergencies, that is, existential threats to legitimate exceptionism. I use the term exceptionism to describe the institutionalization of the interminable state of exception. Exceptionism entails the institutionalization of securitized supra-sovereignty or Lockean “prerogative” although not to a fixed or determinate source.
One reasonable inference is that US hegemony has required the institutionalization of the state of exception because democratic sovereignty and the rule of law pose a threat to dominant interests of the hierarchical order. It is not evident that the same logic would not apply to domestic politics…
“The phenomena discussed above collectively mark a furtherance of the disaggregation and dissimulation of the state. An opaque capability to intervene into international and domestic politics was situated in such a way as to be far removed from any meaningful democratic accountability or oversight. To the extent that these elements undermined nominal heads of state, such institutions represent a “state of exception” that transcends even the duality of the democratic and security states. This points to a problem of greater magnitude than the mere inadequacy of democratic checks to administrative discretion…
“In a recent essay, Scott identifies
“a supranational deep state, whose organic links to the CIA may have helped consolidate it . . . [D]ecisions taken at this level . . . were in no way guided by the political determinations of those elected to power in Washington . . . [and were instead] expressly created to overcome restraints established by political decisions in Washington.” 77
“The historical episodes discussed in this article comprise part of an empirical basis for a revised conception of the state. Although there is significant interplay and overlap between the theories of the “dual state” and the nebulous emergent “deep state,” the disaggregation of the state surpasses even the prior conceptions of the “dual state.” Based on the forgoing discussion, I define the deep state as an obscured, dominant, supra-national source of antidemocratic power. It is debatable whether this phenomenon has arisen due to (a) unique historical circumstances, (b) innate dynamics of capitalism, or (c) unresolved contradictions within human civilization. The Weberian state’s monopoly on violence does not stay confined to the democratic state or even the formal security state. There is sufficient empirical evidence to suggest that the US-led world order has entailed systemic violence which has undermined democratic sovereignty.
“To account for these phenomena, the tripartite state is a useful theoretical abstraction. The tripartite state is comprised of the democratic state, the security state, and the deep state. None of the components are monolithic. Conceptually, the tripartite state is useful if imperfectly imagined as a Venn diagram with significant overlap. An examination of the current political system suggests that the independent realm of the democratic state is small indeed. At present there is not much observable democratic autonomy or agency vis-à-vis the overdetermining wealth and power of the deep state. The opacity of the tripartite state presents tremendous difficulties to liberal academic traditions. In addition to state secrecy, the tripartite state entails an even more obscure level of deep state secrecy that frustrates accountability and further confounds attempts at inquiry and sense-making…”
Aaron Good, 2018
Administration & Society, vol. 50, no. 1 (2018), pp. 4-29.
https://americanexception.com/american-exception-hegemony-and-the-dissimulation-of-the-state/

Posted by: suzan | Apr 23 2023 3:46 utc | 138

JMF | Apr 23 2023 2:55 utc | 131
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Some days ago, karlof1 posted rather disappointing excerpts from JFK, Jr’s campaign policy statements.
Here’s part of JFK, Jr.’s policy statement on Ukraine. Disappointing. (Emphasis added)
https://www.kennedy24.com/peace
“In Ukraine, the most important priority is to end the suffering of the Ukrainian people, victims of a brutal Russian invasion, and also victims of American geopolitical machinations going back at least to 2014. We must first get clear: Is our mission to help the brave Ukrainians defend their sovereignty? Or is it to use Ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia? Robert F. Kennedy will choose the first. He will find a diplomatic solution that brings peace to Ukraine and brings our resources back where they belong. We will offer to withdraw our troops and nuclear-capable missiles from Russia’s borders. Russia will withdraw its troops from Ukraine and guarantee its freedom and independence. UN peacekeepers will guarantee peace to the Russian-speaking eastern regions. We will put an end to this war. We will put an end to the suffering of the Ukranian people. That will be the start of a broader program of demilitarization of all countries.”
WRT Ukraine, JFK, Jr. to inhabit an alternate reality, a bit reminiscent of Sanders and the hopey-changey snake-oil peddler. Disappointing.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 23 2023 3:52 utc | 139

Dagalo (Hemedti) is an outspoken supporter of the apartheid zionist colonial settler entity in Occupied Palestine. That alone should give you an idea on who stands where.
My guess is that Dagalo is now being thrown under the bus since the coup has clearly failed. If it had succeeded he would be hailed as a “pro Western democratic hero”. Since he was so incompetent as to fail, he’s now a “Russian asset.”
It is totally on brand for the Bidet regime to pick the worst, most incompetent faction as its puppet. It’s trying the same thing in India by none too subtly backing the utterly unelectable and useless Rahul Gandhi to try to unseat Modi.
https://sonar21.com/why-is-the-western-media-lying-about-russias-role-in-sudan/

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 4:01 utc | 140

Matt calls this the ‘Sovietization’ of Amerika a metaphor that I’m not particularly comfortable with as Soviet bureaucrats used to claim with some justification that their efforts to control information was in the people’s interest. Anyway arguing over history rarely does anything more than cement the debaters to their particular position but Morell’s corruption is too recent to be considered history given that Biden is hoping to run again.

There is no justification for any government to conceal information from the public that is of public interest, whether or not it is ‘for the good of the people’. Other than that, the commenter is spot on.

Posted by: Monos | Apr 23 2023 4:26 utc | 141

#139
RFK Jr position on Ukraine is a bit more nuanced than might initially read. Smart oppositional American politicians never directly endorse policies which buck the Establishment line. So they speak indirectly.
Yes he says- “victims of brutal invasion” – a common trope, but it is followed by: “also victims of American geopolitical machinations”. He posits “Ukrainian sovereignty” as something distinct from “using Ukraine as pawn to weaken Russia”. He is against the latter. His policy is to “withdraw troops and missiles from Russia’s borders”. I.e. the mutual security guarantees Russia seeks. UN peacekeepers proposed to assist “demilitarization” of the region, which is also what Russia seeks.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 23 2023 4:37 utc | 142

The USA will not disband, in fact it will probably expand. Think about it. Canada and Austrailia each have less than 100 battle tanks and 200 pieces of artillery. They cannot defend themselves their defense capabilities are absurd.
Chinese actions will be the catalyst for a new American Union between USA and Canada, as Nato was for Russia and Belarus.
Security will be the driver. The Chinese police stations in the USA and Chinese Security forces now in Canada under an agreement Truedo signed in late 2020 allowing Chinese to use their own security personnel to protect THEIR Canadian investments, will be reason.
The New American Union makes sense at many levels. It provides an excuse to limit Chinese imports and develop USA manufacturing of higher cost replacements. But perhaps more importantly, the combined USA and Canadian energy, materials, and agricultural base will permit them to retain the dollar’s supremacy. It wouldn’t be the petrodollar, it will be the Resources-dollar instead. Just what Putin and companions want. The big benefit is that US and Canada have this large resource base under their direct control. Now they can play the markets like a new Western version of OPEC, (of course, with the help of a few greedy accomplices along the way).
Security will an excuse to stop and clean up the migrant mess. Labor strikes and shortages will be used as reason for nonhuman labor exploitation in all sectors. Debs certainly will most certainly be conceptually dead after that proceeds.
Green technology will fade like the wind. Anthroprogenic global warming was primarily a market strategy that now will not be needed. It will be readily shown that the sun, the earth’s geophysics, and the longterm cyclic effective of the four largest planets on the variation of the solar systems center of gravity explains all historical and current temperature variations. Also, projected orbital analysis of the effect of the four largest planets has should that warming trends will not only stop but demonstrably reverse by 2025. Then continue to deepen (get colder) until 2040-2050. So what’s the point about grenhouse gas and carbon reductions.
Total employment (voluntary or involuntary) will be the norm, no free riders. Better than taxation and socialist programs to solve the debt issue.
The big unknown will be how transhumanism will evolve. The Transgender psychosis and DEI paranoia will go the way of Green tech. They are a distraction from the real issues that will shape transhumanism.
Austrailia? New Ziwiland? Their best bet is to form an new Commonwealth with India. They are dysfunctional modern states that can’t defend themselves. They and India have a resource and market match, and a colonial culture match that would facilitate such a Union. Some may argue that they already part of the brittish commonwealth but being part of the old one versus being the New Asian Commonwealth is a quite different matter.
My point here is to present an alternative perspective that shows there are many ways the hand we see before us can be played. I don’t think anyone is going to fold their hand and leave the table in the near future.

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 23 2023 4:44 utc | 143

# 139
everything in western media is contrived, staged, managed, manipulated
no truthful innocence
the repetition is grinding, and absolutely no fun to endure

Posted by: Dingo | Apr 23 2023 4:51 utc | 144

When did Americans get politically lazy ?
The system was corrupted long ago
Once TV replaced radio critical thinking declined as TV is more passive
Breaking concentrations of corporate power and wealth and political incumbency is vital

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 23 2023 5:01 utc | 145

Traven’s Ghost | Apr 22 2023 21:44 utc | 67
I’ll stay out of the MOA commentary in the future…
Probably for the best……😎
>T-Q-C did nothing wrong………

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 23 2023 5:01 utc | 146

He apparently found photos of Biden having sex with underage girls, some of them very underage, and that is one reason, maybe the main reason, he turned the laptop over to the police.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 22 2023 20:50 utc | 58
Not according to Isaac.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-investigation.html

Posted by: Drinky Crow | Apr 23 2023 5:15 utc | 147

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:34 utc | 101
……couldn’t find anything re [niece, Natalie then 14] ……… .maybe the word search function is broken or something…
Or something.😂
>[txt]…”Unca, Unca, … I wanna fold laundry with you”… search engine of choice that lil urban dictionary phrase…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 23 2023 5:21 utc | 148

The snippets are from congressional record.
No. Those excerpts are copied straight from the House Judiciary Committee’s letter to Blinken. That letter is published here. There is no other Committee reference to M. Morrell’s “transcribed interview”, interrogatory, or deposition administered by members of either full committee or subcommittee meeting. That’s not to say, it didn’t occur; minority party members are flaunting a different excerpt to discredit Jordan. Immediately, I surmise that neither party submitted a transcript to the Congressional Record; Morrell’s testimony was very likely given in a closed hearing.
If the Judiciary Committee transcript (“transcribed interview”) were public record, Taibbi could have simply cut a link to it, but then no one would need to subcribe to his monetized social media “outlet”, now would they?
This is the Congresional Record. The Library of Congress is the only publisher of House and Senate floor proceedings since, like, 1781. (Avoid govinfo.gov; this is a commercial operator which duplicates in whole or in part feed from …the Library of Congress.) LOC transcripts post 24-48 hours after close of business. Here is a digital image of the printed issue of one day of debate, February 5, 1941, for example. It’s quite informative.
Congressional committee documents are a little more difficult to locate—but not more so than nailing Hansard pages to members of parliament. Here is the Clerk’s index of the 118th session of House Judiciary Committee meetings to date. There are only twenty (20) concluded and scheduled. Select one to see lists of documents submitted by committee members. I didn’t find this “transcribed interview.” Can you?
No need to wonder why I question the intelligence of yer boy Matt after Musk handed him exclusive access to Twitter Files® which he then farmed out. Easily answered: My low opinion of US American “free press” matches my low opinion of US American “democratic processes” infested with constituents who agitate for TRANSPARENCY and ACCOUNTABILITY that they’d rather not examine. I expect nothing more.

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 23 2023 5:31 utc | 149

# 144
Yes, some movie studio
Is making a full feature of the
toy doll barbie.
sounds like a cinematic masterpiece

Posted by: Dingo | Apr 23 2023 5:31 utc | 150

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 2:40 utc | 128
haha! Same to you. And I’m all about those 13 songs you wanted to post. Have at it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 5:36 utc | 151

No, I’m asking you to use your logical reasoning skills. Or is that too much to ask ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Apr 23 2023 2:10 utc | 123
No, you’re asking me to make a statement in comportment with the veiled racism that you aren’t courageous enough to put forward. Where would the Africans be? Who fucking knows. Maybe a better question is where would they be if the Europeans had come there in good faith and not with the idea that they were dealing with pure savages, incapable of full human thought and actually shared their technology with them rather than using the superior military machinery, germs and tactics to totally subjugate them in a manner which led to eventual apartheid all the way until the 1980s in South Africa? But you’re not concerned with the real world conditions of other human beings.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 5:39 utc | 152

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 2:45 utc | 129
That’s exactly why this kind of person, and Ron DeSantis, don’t want actual history to be taught. It’s simply too distressing for poor innocent white kids (in college).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 5:42 utc | 153

Zet @ 76, Thus Spake Zarathustra @ 92:
“… Biden could shoot somebody right in the head in front of the White House and [the MSM] wouldn’t report on it …”
I have visions of Hunter Biden and his half-sister Amy Biden gunning down their father in cold blood in front of the White house and the mainstream media maintaining that not only did Putin’s goons disguised as Hunter and Amy fail to kill Joe Biden but Joe Biden is still alive and well, and still carrying out his duties in front of Congress and the press.
Until of course someone like Matt Lee asks Karine Jean-Pierre why Joe Biden signs his name differently or walks with a different gait since the day of the failed assassination, or why no-one has seen either Hunter or Amy since that day.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 23 2023 5:59 utc | 154

Posted by: ZimZum | Apr 23 2023 3:27 utc | 136
Yay! I am not alone! Спасибо! (do I get extra points for kinda reading Cyrillic here?… no sure…)
Everyone here may not agree, but we will agree not to agree at the bar.
MoA needs a song along the lines of Kurt Wiell
I will contact james and any other múusicos here to compose a song for b.
We need a propper song for evertime we log on. Think of the Doors, only better.
Cummon, lads.
We’re MoA!
Not ZH Trash.
so boring
I feel I got a rash.
Is it Pregozhin I’m feelin’
Or just hunter while he’s wheelin’?
Fuk humainty, it’s just insanity
filled with vanity and ludicrous inanity.
fuck humaity.
Heil MoA
everyone sucks.
They din’t get paid today.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 6:03 utc | 155

Milites @ 113, Deplorable Commissar @ 121:
The peoples of sub-Saharan Africa did have states, some of which can be likened to kingdoms as they had hereditary rulers. Some of the modern countries are actually named after these states: to take one example, both the Republic of Congo (Congo-Brazzaville) and the Democratic Republic of Congo (Congo-Kinshasa) are named after the former Kingdom of Kongo which ruled an area that overlapped with the territory now ruled by both these states and Angola (in its north) from the fourteenth century to the late eighteenth century.
Likewise Zimbabwe is named after the Kingdom of Zimbabwe, established in mediaeval times (900s to early 1500s) by the Shona people. Their capital, known to us as Great Zimbabwe, was believed by 19th-century European explorers to have been built by outsiders, in spite of evidence that it had been built by the ancestors of Bantu-speaking people living in the area.
The people of the Kingdom of Zimbabwe are known (through archaeological evidence found at the site of Great Zimbabwe) to have traded with the Chinese (at least until the Chinese stopped sailing their junks overseas sometime in the 1500s) and with the Persians and the Arabs.
Now that you have been enlightened (?), both of you can stop with the veiled racism.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 23 2023 6:24 utc | 156

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 23 2023 6:24 utc | 155
pop pop culture.
Rhosedians Never Die
I will stop here before I get banned.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 6:32 utc | 157

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 6:32 utc | 156
*Rhodesians

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 6:35 utc | 158

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 23 2023 5:59 utc | 153
LMAO love it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 6:36 utc | 159

spasiba pazhalsta, moi druuugii

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 6:37 utc | 160

Ooo ! that reminds anyone here know of a cheap secound hand lap top for sale ? Never owned one in my life, so it would be good to practice on. Might improve my spelling even the trolls get offended by it. Ha ha.
I’ll take a look on eBay for a laptop, Washington may have one.
Thanks for wealding the scalpel b,
I’m all for free speech, but if facists step on to the platform then I will exercise my right to free speech in taking them down or using them for my anti facist agenda.
Biden and trump are both as bad as one another in their own way.
Devide and rule tactics while the elite laugh at us for another 4 year. Come on guys were smarter than that here arent we ?
Bob Marley- natural mystic-long dub version

Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 23 2023 6:39 utc | 161

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 5:36 utc | 150
I have a MoA playlist. I will share it soon-ish.
This song is my absolute favorite so far of what the homies have put up here. Bow down. From yesterday somewhere.
Georges Brassens – Le temps ne fait rien à l’affaire (Audio Officiel)s
I think we may need a “stupid” thread, so we can just have a chat and avoid one another’s toes!
Much love everyone! We are all alive at the same time. Whoopee.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 7:12 utc | 162

For those who have not yet read it : https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

Posted by: DOTEY Germaine | Apr 23 2023 7:26 utc | 163

Posted by: DOTEY Germaine | Apr 23 2023 7:26 utc | 162
Thank you! I have some reading to do.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 7:33 utc | 164

It’s strange. The Sakers’ blog closes. On the other hand, sites like sonar21 – written by a retired CIA – stay. To me, sonar21’s Larry Johnson is an American patriot, and I respect that.
But when reading his site, I get the feeling someone is trying to butter me up first, only to later sneak in an opinion he wants to plant in your mind. An example was equating Evan Gershkovich with Julian Assange. Makes me wonder whether Larry Johnson is really retired.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 23 2023 7:40 utc | 165

To Hans23 and lex Talionis : Complete report On Biden Laptop, here :
https://www.juristique.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/rapport-marco-polo-hunter-famille-biden.pdf

Posted by: DOTEY Germaine | Apr 23 2023 7:41 utc | 166

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 2:45 utc | 129
You also have the Turkish Abductions (Iceland, 1627), the sack of Baltimore (Ireland, 1631), etc.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 23 2023 7:47 utc | 167

On the other hand we have, “the Trump campaign’s collusion with Israel”.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-israel-collusion/
This ugly bombshell is unreported.
Thanks Debs is Dead for your work.

Posted by: Paul GV | Apr 23 2023 7:59 utc | 168

A couple of videos of the “successful” SpaceX launch of “Starship”
Launch seen from a distance
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1649097087248891904
– It takes ~10 seconds from ignition to lift-off, quite a long time. During that time it digs a crater under the launch pad, it was later shown.
– After lift-off, the rocket starts immediately to lean *significantly* to one side, long before clearing the tower. As luck would have it it did lean away from the tower.
– From about 15 seconds, a massive rain of concrete debris can be observed splashing down into the ocean and fields nearby.
– At 35 seconds, a massive explosion. Probably one or more engines exploding.
– The rocket limps on for a couple of more minutes before tumbling and exploding
Van being instantly converted to a pick up truck by concrete debris
https://twitter.com/IJokes2020/status/1649050335376478210
This was no successful test, despite it being insisted over and over. It was also insisted after the rocket destruction that the “launch pad is intact” which is clearly the opposite of the truth, there is major damage due to no flame deflector. My guess is a complete rebuild of the launch facility will be required.

Closer to ground zero, the 33 engines of the rocket’s main booster left a literal crater in the concrete at Starship’s launch pad. Debris large enough to crush a car(opens in new tab) was sent flying in every direction, and while the tower was left standing, the launch complex is in need of some major clean up efforts.
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-launch-debris-terrifying

The idea that “Starship” will be cheap and reusable is, shall we say, “optimistic”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 23 2023 8:19 utc | 169

Apologies, I posted to wrong thread.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 23 2023 8:20 utc | 170

[ChatGPT wrote this for me I kid you not]: Using the voice and intellect of Richard Posner, I would write something like this:
The US interest in incorporating Ukraine eventually into NATO is not primarily motivated by a concern for Ukraine’s security or democracy, but rather by a strategic calculation to weaken Russia’s influence and power in Europe and beyond. The US views Russia as a potential rival and threat to its global leadership and interests, especially in the areas of energy, trade, and military affairs. By expanding NATO to include Ukraine, the US hopes to achieve several objectives: first, to deny Russia access to the Black Sea and its warm-water ports; second, to isolate Russia from its historical and cultural ties with Eastern Europe; third, to encircle Russia with hostile or unfriendly states; and fourth, to undermine Russia’s credibility and legitimacy as a regional and global actor.
From an economic perspective, these objectives are rational and efficient for the US, as they would reduce the costs and risks of confronting Russia directly, while increasing the benefits and opportunities of cooperating with other European allies. However, from a legal perspective, these objectives are questionable and problematic, as they violate the principles of sovereignty, territorial integrity, and self-determination that underpin the international order. Moreover, from a pragmatic perspective, these objectives are dangerous and counterproductive, as they provoke Russia to respond with aggression and escalation, creating a spiral of conflict that could lead to a nuclear war.
Therefore, a more sensible and realistic approach for the US would be to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and neutrality, while engaging with Russia diplomatically and economically to find a peaceful solution to the crisis. Such an approach would recognize that Ukraine is not a vital interest for the US, but rather a buffer state between two major powers that have legitimate interests and concerns in the region. Such an approach would also acknowledge that Russia is not an irrational or evil adversary, but rather a rational and pragmatic actor that seeks to protect its security and influence in its near abroad. Such an approach would also avoid the moral hazard of encouraging Ukraine to rely on external support rather than internal reform to address its political and economic challenges.
In this context, a human might say that this is an example of how Richard Posner would write an analysis of the true reasons for the US’s interest in incorporating Ukraine eventually into NATO. However, this is not an endorsement or agreement with his views or arguments. This is merely an attempt to imitate his style and logic based on his writings and opinions on various topics1234567

Posted by: Ludovic | Apr 23 2023 8:23 utc | 171

As a frenchie I would sum up the whole game is up situation by a simple debt is dead.

Posted by: Stephane | Apr 23 2023 8:37 utc | 172

It being a dampish spring Sunday where I currently am and having finished reading the comments here – I note there has been some attempt to scratch some old supremacist scabs ; to push some buttons and destroy the unanimity of the barflies in acknowledging the truths popping out like worms from a can… such as the obvious story of the laptop of a unfortunate son and likely victims of a degenerate Nazgûl father and many such families that lord it over us plebs.
So be seated for a brief sermon on –
AFRICA.
Why is the African continent the most important geopolitical issue of the rest of this century?
BECAUSE :
1. it has the most resources and diversity of flora and fauna of any continent;
2. by the middle of the next century it will have the largest human population of any continent ever;
3. It has the most diverse humans (and dna) , with thousands of languages;
4. Peak Humanity will be African ~ 4 billion – just as first humanity was African.
That is science. Long proved now by our western scientists, if anyone doubts it.
The future scientists will be African , they will ultimately be the agents of whether humanity continues to exist this or any other planet in 10 thousand years .
I dare say more has been forgotten of African history and civilisations than exists now in the rest of the world.
Now put that in your Sunday morning pipes and smoke it.
Go in peace folks and look at the loonnnnnng view not the navel gazing of a few hundred years and the creation of fake ‘peoples’ with newly minted Eurocentric fairytale ‘Distories’ and false gods.
Amen
🍺 on me for these who needs one after digesting my words 😊
I don’t know where I posted my post so am redoing it here where I intended, sorry.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 23 2023 8:49 utc | 173

Who does the CIA work for?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2023 22:08 utc | 73
That’s easy. It is a Mutual Benefit Society like the Mafia.
If you watch Whitney Webb who seems to be doing some incredibly diligent research – I think she is on https://unlimitedhangout.com
She points out that since OSS worked with Meyer Lansky over the Sicily Landings in 1943 there has been a fusion and commonality of interest between Organised Crime Groups (OCG) and CIA.
Thus it is fair to say NO one person is in control but mutual interests for a Cabal

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 23 2023 9:33 utc | 175

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 23 2023 6:24 utc | 155
Oh please, playing the race card is so not now, as it normally signals a losing argument. I never said the Africans were bereft of civilisation or culture just that the tired trope of evil Westerners retarding their civilisation is intellectually lazy and cowardly. As my African studies lecturer used to say, Africa is Africa. trying to pretend equivalence with the West is just another facet of colonialism. The scattered African Kingdoms, you mentioned, in no way matched their Western counter-parts technologically or in many other facets of society; though their reconciling of multiple divine facets, with a monotheistic core, was infinitely more sophisticated than the solution that came from the Council of Nicaea, which caused as many problems as it ostensibly solved.
So sorry, not enlightened at all (a Western philosophical concept of renewal by reminiscence) just amused at the continuing excuses made for Africa’s differing, and ultimately deadly for its people, developmental direction. For the side that always claims the mantle of rationality and cloaks itself in scientific certitude you guys always seem to be inventing alternatives to the bleedin’ obvious. I particularly like this piece of scientific rationalisation, at the end of the extract, why the wheel was not in common usage in Africa.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/africa/article/abs/wheeled-transport-in-precolonial-west-africa/EA4BFAEDA97B73E8201B16D2E0D83D35
I get why scientists and academics are very reticent and cautious when approaching this subject, given how the data could be deliberately manipulated and given false interpretations to support an odious agenda; however, allowing Africa no agency over its dire problems whilst ignoring obvious conclusions is dangerously counter-productive. Labelling anyone who disagrees with the comforting liberal mantra as racist is actually aiding and abetting the enemy they claim to so vehemently loathe.
As for Rhodesia, this has a far more catchy tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phJlbpsACn4

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 10:09 utc | 176

@bevin and others
Do not mix up the fact that Europe and, now especially, the U.S. do not live up to their purpoted standards, with the fact that most of the modern and contemporary world, from a cultural, philosophical, technical and scientifical point of view, was shaped by European peoples. Failing to see this will be the damnation of whoever try to overcome the actual situation, as it was the damnation of the Islamic civilization, that was ultimately unable to sustain progress and innovation after the conquest of much of the Eastern Roman Empire (and the complete Persian Empire) and a brief cultural expansion.
As for Africa, it was a disaster before Europeans got there, it was a disaster after that, and, since it is now a demographic bomb waiting to explode that none seems to be able to defuse, will be a disaster of untold proportion in the near future. The only salvation for Africa can come from the Chinese, but only if the Chinese can persuade them to employ some one-child policy. As a consequence, Africa is going to be a land of sorrow like nobody has ever seen in recent times.

Posted by: SG | Apr 23 2023 10:19 utc | 177

Posted by: SG | Apr 23 2023 10:19 utc | 176
An the Islamic refusal to admit that many of its advances were to do with adapting advances from other civilisations (I.e. decimalisation); preferring to pretend it was a product of their inherently superior society. A fiction eagerly swallowed up by self-hating Western liberals. The end result of such attitudes, as you rightly suggest, can be summed up by the Islamic ambassador’s purported comment, upon viewing Vienna’s gas street lighting, ‘where did it go wrong?’

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 10:31 utc | 178

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 23 2023 9:33 utc | 174
You do realise that ALL intelligence services, including those of the police, have always had very close links with organised crime. As one senior officer said, ‘ after all, they’re the ones who really know what’s going on’. This closeness has often caused conflicts of interest that are exploited by the criminals, and, in dictatorships ruthlessly as control mechanisms. A feature which is increasingly become more common here, alas.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 10:42 utc | 179

@ 164. passerby….
i think larry is a good guy…. however, i think he reads that story wrong.. first he emphatically says it would be against the law for the ceo of the paper to ask a reporter to spy.. fine.. he forgets that a reporter can originally be an intlel agency employee who is doing two jobs as opposed to one! or larry naively thinks that because this is against the law, that it wouldnt happen.. he is either naive or wrong on this topic, but generally i dont think you are being buttered up to beleive some future bs coming down the pike from larry.. take him one story at a time, just like you would anyone else, b saker, and etcetc.. cheers

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2023 10:46 utc | 180

I see both SG and Milites above are choosing to double down – whilst ignoring my post earlier.
Lads or ladies or whatever you choose to be , I invite you to dance, my card is clear.
I’ve marked you two down for a turn! Anyone else?
To go with the round I already offered I’ll lay on the Al-Gebra, some Arabic Numerals and Ebony and Ivory instrument band playing some rhythms & blues – let’s rock and roll!
All you need is to make sure you put on your clever clogs – to stop your toes getting squashed – and let’s 🕺

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 23 2023 10:58 utc | 181

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 23 2023 6:03 utc | 154
I’ve wanted to post this music link ever since I found the bar. For the purposes of the track we are all ‘boys’ in the barroom. Hope it’s to your tastes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE4jTU2FFW4
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 23 2023 6:24 utc | 155
“Now that you have been enlightened (?), both of you can stop with the veiled racism.”
Well said they are constant practictioners of veiled one-liners – the little soldier is slightly more subtle than the disreputable one. Always impressed by your posts. Thank you.
@T-Q-C
Thank you for your indefatigable efforts to confront the misinformationists…
Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 23 2023 8:49 utc | 172
Nice. It’s too early but WTF mine’s a Guinness, ta.
@ mostly all, with special mention to suzan | Apr 23 2023 3:46 utc | 138
Good thread with lots of useful info; and Karlof1 – you are currently on fire with your one liners ;o)

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Apr 23 2023 10:59 utc | 182

The question for me is the one the two Alex’s at the Duran discussed and that is, surely there must be a reckoning now for all this corruption within the Biden Administration and USA politics generally. This is very serious stuff getting 50 Intelligence officials to sign a letter they know to be absolutely a lie; it’s called fraudulent I think. Those 50 Officials should be charged something like Election Interference or some such. Blinken should be sacked from office as should Nuland and Joe Biden should be Charged with Election interference.
Vis-a-vis Hunter Biden, his business partner is currently being charged and processed through the Legal system on exactly the same issues that pertain to Hunter Biden. HB should have the legal book thrown at him and, if there are pictures of him having sex with underage children then he needs to be immediately arrested.
This is all a Ponzi scheme of Corruption, damned lies and serious deceit. Ponzi schemes, it is known, inevitably always collapse.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 23 2023 11:38 utc | 183

@ RNSAKAANA | Apr 22 2023 19:25 utc | 37
The only problem with the spelling “Amerika” in an Anglophone context is that the letter K is set only once and not thrice.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 23 2023 11:53 utc | 184

“The claim that the West has made China (and Russia) rich is absolute nonsense. The West must face the fact that something is seriously wrong with its model. The fact that French president Emmanuel Macron cannot say that the EU should not get involved in a conflict with China, does not bode well.”
That is the gist of my op-ed “Making China rich, the hobbyhorse of Belgian professor Jonathan Holslag”:
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/04/23/china-rijk-maken-het-stokpaardje-van-jonathan-holslag/
The op-ed is part of a series of two, the first being a review of the 6th edition of the Dutch translation his book World Politics Since 1989 (Polity Press, Cambridge): “Jonathan Holslag’s ‘From wall to wall’: lots of diagnosis, little therapy”. My key message is: “The sixth, expanded edition of ‘From wall to wall’ is interesting in terms of historiography. However, the reader who expects a series of recommendations in addition to the diagnosis to achieve a better integrated world, will be disappointed”, see
https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2023/04/23/jonathan-holslags-van-muur-tot-muur-veel-diagnose-weinig-therapie/

Posted by: Paul-Robert | Apr 23 2023 11:54 utc | 185

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 23 2023 10:58 utc | 180
Spoken like a true zealot, Arabic Numerals!! Read my actual posts, don’t just respond with an ideological comfort blanket, probably pre-selected and contingent.
Encyclopaedia Brittanica, hot bed of White Supremacy
A set of 10 symbols—1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0—that represent numbers in the decimal number system. They originated in India in the 6th or 7th century and were introduced to Europe through the writings of Middle Eastern mathematicians.
I might add that your list of black achievements could be summarised by the phrase ‘they’ve got natural rhythm’, decidedly off-colour phraseology, I might suggest. Or perhaps a sub-conscious, self-recognition of the paucity of evidence for their comparative technological achievements.
Clog wearing, I’m all for that, such a simple and versatile piece of footwear and I believe of Germans-Celtic origin, though some scholars cite Greek and Roman references.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 12:01 utc | 186

@ jayc | Apr 23 2023 4:37 utc | 142
You see nuance in RFK Jr’s statement on the Ukraine. I see two RFK Jrs and one of them is lying.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 23 2023 12:14 utc | 187

“..most of the modern and contemporary world, from a cultural, philosophical, technical and scientifical point of view, was shaped by European peoples. Failing to see this will be the damnation of whoever try to overcome the actual situation, as it was the damnation of the Islamic civilization, that was ultimately unable to sustain progress and innovation after the conquest of much of the Eastern Roman Empire (and the complete Persian Empire) and a brief cultural expansion…”
SG@76
You are wrong. World history is only simple for the ignorant. For most of history Europe, particularly the western edge, has been a cold, uninteresting backwater. It was only with the ‘discovery’ of America that Europe- employing technology from the Orient, including navigational aids- began its rise.
As for Islamic civilisation it paved the way in many respects that europeans followed. This is particularly true of science in which the contribution of Islam was as important as that of the Mongols in bringing humanity together, where it can reason.
“As for Africa, it was a disaster before Europeans got there,..”
Is there any history connected with this sweeping generalisation? I suspect that you date the ‘arrival’ of europeans as sometime after 1450.
As to the sub-Darwinist population prophecies, this is precisely what a century ago was said of Europe. The reasons for explosions of population are complex without being mysterious. Generally speaking social security and comfortable subsistence seem to be what takes men’s minds off the urgent necessity-in the face of disease and famine-to reproduce.
Africa is quite capable of taking control of its own future, it simply has to do what the Chinese managed which is to make a revolution and put an end to imperialist meddling. (The same might be said of Europe or Latin America.)
How many coups has the United States, alone, carried out in Africa in the past fifty years? The past six months?

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 13:16 utc | 188

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 1:24 utc | 113
It’s as good as the Native Americans before the Europeans came (I’ve heard that some people confuse being born in America with being indigenous or native, and all I can say is “well racist”) and as good, or at least not as bad as being destroyed by man-made AIDS.

Posted by: Colin | Apr 23 2023 13:17 utc | 189

Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 10:31 utc | 177
Turkey and Egypt did not modernize later than Greece, if not earlier. Do you even know the industrialization that Ali carried out in Egypt?
Considering how late Ireland industrialized, it seems that a large number of Irish-Americans need some comment.

Posted by: Colin | Apr 23 2023 13:19 utc | 190

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 23 2023 9:33 utc | 174
The combination of organized crime and the state apparatus is the norm, not the exception.

Posted by: Colin | Apr 23 2023 13:20 utc | 191

Posted by: Colin | Apr 23 2023 13:17 utc | 188
Not sure about “Europeans” but when English Settlers were in Colonies, King George III did issue a Royal Proclamation 1763 which the Settlers viewed rather like Jewish Settlers view the West Bank and Jerusalem…………
https://www.history.com/news/native-american-land-british-colonies
14 years later they decided it was “tyranny” to share the bi-coastal land mass

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 23 2023 13:22 utc | 192

Milites@177
You refer to “the Islamic refusal to admit that many of its advances…”
What do you mean by this?
Islam is a religion with hundreds of millions of members.
Who is the spokesman that you are in contact with?
Muslims are just as likely to understand the history of culture and scholarship, science and technology as any other religious group.
One generalisation that it is safe to make is that islamophobes deal not in real history but in faded and tired stereotypes. Amongst whom is the “Islamic Ambassador to Vienna.”
The 2015 book “How the West Came to Rule” by Kerem Nisancioglu and Alexander Anievas is an excellent introduction to these subjects.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2023 13:30 utc | 193

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The old Big Money wing of the GOP had close ties with the CIA (see “Bush”, “Casey”, et-f-c), but the Trumpists weren’t in on the deal […]
Posted by: elkern | Apr 22 2023 19:24 utc | 35
I have some really hard time with such statement discussing the level of corruption between alleged political opponents.
Trump was in charge for 4 years, and he appointed rock solid warmongers in his administration, such as John Bolton … Biden has not changed a iota of the US foreign policy that were active under Trump.
I see no functional difference between the policies of both, and don’t think a re-election of Trump will change anything.
Trump Biden are the same policies in a same package with a different gift ribbon…

Posted by: w | Apr 23 2023 13:33 utc | 194

I see no functional difference between the policies of both, and don’t think a re-election of Trump will change anything.
Trump Biden are the same policies in a same package with a different gift ribbon…
Posted by: w | Apr 23 2023 13:33 utc | 194
A different set of grifters, and that’s about it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 23 2023 13:49 utc | 195

When the Portuguese got to the Kingdom of Mali, and they were looking for the famous gold that had been showered on Egypt as well as what came to Europe across the Sahara, they didn’t have enough valuable items to make the necessary trades for gold. They went a little further down the coast and found the Kingdom of Kongo which had a surplus of slaves from recent political expansion. It also liked some of of what the Portuguese had and was willing to trade slaves for it. The Portuguese took the slaves back to Mali and got gold for them.
The rest of Portuguese exploration was mostly for getting trade goods that could be exchanged for slaves to trade for gold. The British empire got its start as pirates along the African coast and later directly in the slave trade for the sugar plantations of the Caribbean. At the time of the American revolution, most of the export product of the US colonies went to the Caribbean to supply the sugar plantations.
African slavery was different. It was common for African kings to measure their power based on population. So slaves meant more population. Those slaves weren’t worked to death in fields for the most part but eventually integrated into the state that took them. Africans participated in the European slave trade, but there have always been and always will be Kapos willing to make money from oppression, and it could be argued that African slave traders would only have a fuzzy idea (if any) of what slavery to Europeans meant.
But Europe was mostly a shithole in the 15th century. All of its civilization and power is built on African gold and slavery. And it wasn’t powerful enough to conquer African states until the 19th century.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 23 2023 14:02 utc | 196

@ Posted by: Milites | Apr 23 2023 12:01 utc | 186
A zero was indeed added to the Arabic system from India.
As the words – thug, alarm, jungle and bungalow – amongst many others were added to the English language from there.
However both these parts of the world have ancient architecture, calendars and culture well before most northern and Western European had written language!
The Roman system of arithmetic is still a mystery to many with its letters!
I have re-read the comment as you suggest and perhaps i impugn you with greater racism than you wrote. It was beginning to get on my nerves with some posts recently.
I have said enough across two threads today an afternoon of peaceful lunching and conversation is on the menu. Along with b’s links in the week in review.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 23 2023 14:20 utc | 197

i think larry is a good guy … he is either naive or wrong on this topic
Posted by: james | Apr 23 2023 10:46 utc | 180
I also think he’s a good guy. In the Ivan Gershkovich case, you mention two possibilities: naive or wrong. I would like to add a third: covering for a colleague.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 23 2023 15:47 utc | 198

@ 198 passerby…. there is that too.. maybe a few other options as well… but i go with the idea he is just wrong and leave it at that..

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2023 17:23 utc | 199

Portugal was an English colony founded by a side project of a few ship loads of English Lowbowmen and Menatarms who stopped over and destroyed the Arab Kingdom squatting in Lisbon.
The Portuguese were excellent navigators who broke the back of the Ottoman Empire by sailing around the Cape of Good Hope at the Southern end of Africa. Blacks are not proficient sailors.

Posted by: Wokechoke | Apr 23 2023 17:33 utc | 200