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April 22, 2023

The Biden Campaign's Deep State Conspiracy To Discredit The Hunter Biden Laptop

by Debs is Dead
lifted from a comment

Frankly I'm not sure where to post any more as 'not Ukraine' threads age for so long before being replaced that I doubt many but the most assiduous readers get to discover news which is actually vital to comprehending the Amerikan empire decline.
Not to worry I'll stick to the ancient rules & post here.

Which discloses former temporary CIA boss Michael Morell's conspiracy to discredit the Hunter Biden laptop tosh:

An all-time media blackout is in effect. We’re experiencing real-time Sovietization. by Matt Taibbi

It transpires that the infamous incident before the 2020 election in which 50 former intelligence officials signed an open letter declared a New York Post expose about Hunter Biden’s laptop to have the “classic earmarks of a Russian information operation” was instigated at the behest of the Joe Biden campaign. This at least is the allegation in a letter to Secretary of State Anthony Blinken released by Jim Jordan, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, and Subcommittee on the Weaponization of Government.

In that letter, which is not easy to find, you’ll see three snippets of dialogue from questioning of Morell, who appears to have organized the open letter. In the first snippet, he explains that the idea originated with a call from Blinken, then of the Biden campaign, and that absent that call, Morell wouldn’t have done what he did:


In the second snippet Morell bluntly explains that he did it because “I wanted him to win,” him being Joe Biden.

The snippets are from congressional record. Matt has them, read them through the link above I provided.

Matt calls this the 'Sovietization' of Amerika a metaphor that I'm not particularly comfortable with as Soviet bureaucrats used to claim with some justification that their efforts to control information was in the people's interest. Anyway arguing over history rarely does anything more than cement the debaters to their particular position but Morell's corruption is too recent to be considered history given that Biden is hoping to run again.

Morell can make no such claim his move was outta self interest, he hoped to be appointed CIA director in a Biden presidency.

There is such a naive belief in the alleged worth of the so-called 'Amerikan experiment' which IMO has been corrupt from its outset, that getting out any information at all which discredits this most vicious of all empires is a vital job for those who say "Enough!" even if it is a naively recent dissatisfaction.

Read Taibbi's post and spread it about as far & wide as possible is my recommendation.

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Sputnik has a story:

"There’s “growing frustration” among the FBI as US President Joe Biden’s unruly son Hunter has yet to be charged in multiple felonies and misdemeanor investigations over a year after agents concluded the bulk of their research, US media is reporting.

"Investigators in the FBI “finished the bulk of their work on the case about a year ago,” according to NBC News, which noted that “a senior law enforcement source said the IRS finished its investigation more than a year ago” as well.

"Per the outlet, “the possible charges are two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes, a single felony count of tax evasion related to a business expense for one year of taxes, and the gun charge,” which is “also a potential felony.”

"The revelation comes just two days after a lawyer representing an anonymous IRS employee wrote in a letter to Congress that his client, a “career IRS Criminal Supervisory Special Agent who has been overseeing the ongoing and sensitive investigation of a high profile, controversial subject since early 2020,” is seeking to testify before the legislators as a protected whistleblower.

"According to the lawyer, the IRS Special Agent, who’s reportedly spent over a decade on the job, is seeking to provide information that would "contradict sworn testimony to Congress by a senior political appointee," "clear conflicts of interest" in the case, and specific instances of "preferential treatment and politics improperly infecting decisions and protocols.”

"It’s unclear whether authorities are still considering charging the younger Biden with money laundering and failing to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act as well. But over the past several years, the Justice Department has seriously ramped up prosecutions of alleged FARA violations – though so far they’ve largely focused on those politically opposed to the Biden family.

"In 2018, Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was sentenced to 60 months in prison for supposed FARA violations relating to work carried out in Ukraine. He was hit with a further 30 months for other charges as well....."

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 16:46 utc | 1

I sense that my post#3 is on the verge of promotion.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 16:48 utc | 2

Outrageous concealment of a serious crime has been enabled by law enforcement agencies and MSM's acquiescence.
It's in the open now but will it be totally ignored and play pretend nothing happened and its a right wing conspiracy.
US politics and law enforcement is a joke.

Posted by: jpc | Apr 22 2023 16:49 utc | 3

Posted by: Kike | Apr 22 2023 16:46 utc | 2

I’m going to ignore this hate. I really enjoyed Dame Edna Everidge.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 22 2023 16:53 utc | 4

The story has enough legs to have a posting at ZH with the title

Blinken Busted: Played Central Role In Discrediting Hunter Biden Laptop Story As Election Loomed

I will note that currently ZH is loaded with postings about how bad the Biden leadership is and how much better things would be under GOP leadership.....LOL!

The US money parties are eating each other for lunch and the RoW gets to watch

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2023 16:57 utc | 5

Thanks for this Debs Is Dead. Can we simply call it what it is, corrupt censorship?

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Apr 22 2023 16:58 utc | 6

It's an accurate measure of the arrogance, stupidity and clumsiness of the "Deep State" that Biden was nominated in the first place.

The story that Debs highlights and Taibbi tells has been evident to the sentient world for years.
Biden began it by boasting about his corrupt influence in Ukraine when he used the IMF loan to blackmail the government into firing the prosecutor who had Burisma in his sights.

But he didn't need to boast-Hunter's Ukraine relationship, and those of John Kerry's stepson and others connected with Biden, was well advertised. And the whole world knew that Hunter's expertise would have been adequately rewarded at a dime a millenium, paid up front.
Given that the DNC had dispensed with any rules, or any pretence of following rules (these are the guys who came up with the anarchy of "Rule Based Order") they could have nominated anyone that they wanted without giving the Presidency to 'the Big Guy'.

But they swallowed him whole in the erroneous belief that they could keep the story- even though it had already been published by Murdoch- under wraps.
Its unbelievable until you understand that the people who make up these power structures in countries where popular opinion has no authority so that it has shrivelled up blown away, are incredibly arrogant, stupid and utterly ignorant not only of history but of Greek Drama.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 17:06 utc | 7

The United States is a Totalitarian construct, with a fading facade of a Constitution. There is no Enforcement Clause in the U.S. Constitution nor any Penalty for the Criminal Abusers and by the time a legal challenge works its way through America's Political Legal/Just-us System, the damage has already been done.
The hammer behind U.S. Power, especially internationally is/was the U.S. dollar and the seemingly infinite capacity of the U.S. to print money and control transactions, especially foreign transactions.
The foundation beneath the U.S. dollar was U.S. Industrial Strength, the same manufacturing that floated the Western side in winning WWII.
The U.S. is now a shell of itself, a nation sinking in Financialization of EVERYTHING. Debt upon debt, now contemplating in the dark rooms of Washington, to print "money" to pay the interest on their unpayable debt.
Biden (Little Boots) cruelly, yet ironically, is the personification of the American Nation.
Heck, even RFK, Junior, is in favor of the war mongers, the very people that killed his father and his uncle.
Kike is CIA.

Posted by: kupkee | Apr 22 2023 17:07 utc | 8

This is well worth elevation to a post. It’s a stunning admission.

I’m with Taibbi on the description. It goes way beyond this incident such that if we remove the veneer of ideology I would argue that the best way to describe the US now is “late Soviet” (with American characteristics).

The fundamentals of soviet decline were the development of a nomenklatura oligarchy that steered the state towards serving the interests of the nomenklatura over the interests of soviet citizens. The post war development boom fizzled out by the early 80’s. And in most cases the nomenklatura chose guns over butter because it was easier and more personally profitable. Between an entrenched gerontocracy and then a generation born from the post war boom, the system succumbed to a sort of professional class that should have been an anathema to Soviet ideology. Instead the ideology was adjusted for public consumption.

Ideological propaganda divorced itself from the experience of the common person, hence “no truth in the news and no news in the truth”. What the decaying USSR didn’t scrap though was rigorous education, which meant the people were capable of determining that there was no truth in the news. Though this didn’t stop the nomenklatura from robbing the state blind and then letting it collapse for the next in line to continue the robbery.

The US degraded its educational foundation. Not because it went “soft” with humanities. A good humanities education is rigorous and develops critical thinking. In the US it was degraded because it wasn’t directly profitable. The same reason the post war industrial and infrastructure boom was left to rot or sold off to the Chinese. The quickest buck for the nomenklatura with American characteristics. So now when the US finds itself in a position very, fundamentally similar to the late USSR, it has the “advantage” of a population with diminished critical thinking and so susceptible to ideological propaganda. The apparatchik class in the US is unlikely to withdraw support from the rotten state, actively or passively. It believes there is truth in the news and news in the truth. And it must do so to maintain its realistically precarious social position.

The collapse of the USSR is instructive for the American case. The reality of the US fall is most likely to look a lot like it rather than other historical examples both because of necessities of modernity and structure. Orlov’s early writing is important. But in the US it will probably be much uglier and more violent. After all, it will occur with American characteristics.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 22 2023 17:10 utc | 9

Kike, if you change the tranny and the GOY to the USA and the woman and jew to Nation, your analogy or analogies would read better.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 22 2023 17:14 utc | 10

For what it is worth I like the take by the two Alexanders on The Duran. This is a sign of deep malaise in the USA body politic. For most of my life I have been a supporter of the USA. It may have been the lessor of two evils, but as a European they won three wars for us - WW1, WW2 and the Cold War - all existential conflicts.

However something has gone wrong. After 1989 externally the USA has pursued an opressive agenda, and since Obama came to power, increasingly deploying totalitarian tactics against its own population. Anyone with a fuctioning brain might doubt elections results in the USA. We truly live in interesting times when less than 3 years after an election which was clearly "fixed", the architect of a cover up protecting one candidate can publically state that he did it.

I have a pet theory it is the deep state getting rid of Dementia Joe. But whatever, you do not see any of these characters going to jail. Except maybe Trump who may or may not have paid hush money to a hooker, which is much more serious than swinging an election with lies using the power of the State.

Posted by: marcjf | Apr 22 2023 17:23 utc | 11

I go to youtube to pull up the Charley Rose Morrell interviewer. It has always been easy to find. I put in the search terms hit the search icon and nothing happens. I hit enter and nothing happens. I thought my computer had frozen as it does at times but clicked on another video to test and computer was working fine. The joys of censorship.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 22 2023 17:25 utc | 12

Almost no one reads the news. They gave up on that a long time ago. What they know they hear from that guy at work who keeps up with this stuff. Automatically everything goes to the lowest common denominator. Which has become very low.

A fine grained story about a deception three years ago is not a story at all. They got away with it.

The big exception is the party faithful. They read the news because they are supposed to. Then they believe it. And repeat it.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 22 2023 17:28 utc | 13

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, I’m a moron. Fool me three or more times consecutively, and I’m a voter.”

Said a very wise man

Posted by: Exile | Apr 22 2023 17:36 utc | 14

The gerontocracy,that controls the one-party system, is desperated to avoid another bid and perhaps another term...

Posted by: andy | Apr 22 2023 17:36 utc | 15

..Kupkee stated above that there are no Enforcement Clauses nor penalties for Criminal Abusers of the US Constitution . Well, they all have taken the OATH to uphold the Constitution and defend it . So when one les , disregards any parts of Constitution especially Bill of Rights , they have broken their Oath and have committed perjury. Should they not be tried and removed from Office ?

Posted by: leocz | Apr 22 2023 17:44 utc | 16

#3 Bevin
Right. thanks for bringing up manafort. how come he gets all this jail time and all these other guys that are full on criminals are out walking around. The elections in this country are 100% fraudulent top to bottom. It is not just fraud for the presidential vote it is the entire ballot. If a ballot is scanned and digitized it is easily manipulated as it is just digital information. So you have fraudulent elections therefore you have criminals in office and you do not have a justice system any longer. Justice is owned and paid for by criminals. What I'm saying is that everything down ballot is completely corrupt as well. Mark Warner the criminal from Virginia did not get elected to the Senate fetterman did not get elected to the Senate. They cheated their way in they are cheaters. And we are paying for their bad decisions every day. Let's name the states that allow cheating. California Oregon Washington Arizona New Mexico Nevada Colorado out west. Minnesota Wisconsin Michigan Illinois New York Virginia Pennsylvania Maryland Delaware Georgia Louisiana. Seriously no one wants anything to do with anyone east of the Mississippi. Complete corruption and criminality. You have a criminal that cheated his way into the highest office in the land. Sending billions overseas to nowhere in their money laundering scheme that continues. The mainstream media runs cover for Ukraine. The rights to the national airwaves need to be taken back from the mainstream media because they have been lying to us, if you lie you lose the right to broadcast on the national airwaves, simple as that. Revoke their permit to broadcast on the airwaves. The majority of Americans are not okay with what is going on in this country right now. People from cheating states are not welcome. Everybody else is welcome. This has to hit rock bottom before it gets better, individual states need to start indicting these national criminals, as they have had a quantifiable negative impact on population (murder) of each individual state. An attorney general of any state can bring charges against these national criminals and prove that they have seriously harmed a state's population. Pfizer moderna fauci and any of these drug dealers all criminals. Biden the terrorist and saboteur that blew up nordstream and doubled our gas prices in this state that is a prosecutable offense. Both parties are responsible for this country of criminals. Democrats lie cheat and steal. Republicans are cowards. There is no poison to pick voting is useless and I will keep my disgust for this criminal entity of a country to myself. So run the business in the red and pay no tax is how I vote. I am not alone.

Posted by: Diego | Apr 22 2023 17:44 utc | 17

Thanks for cleaning up the garbage, b: it adds nothing to the discussion and additionally distracts it by eliciting useless responses. I certainly wouldn't think less of you if you banned such behavior but don't criticize you for choosing not to do so.

Posted by: StirThePot | Apr 22 2023 17:48 utc | 18

Hunter Biden isn't the only political person that's deserved arrest, trial, and imprisonment since the beginning of the 21st Century within the Outlaw US Empire. And actually, there were plenty deserving that fate during the 1990s too. This "ability" to be above the law is one very dastardly form of corruption that's increased in frequency and the severity goes all the way to the War Crimes of Aggressive War and murder. By comparison, the Soviet Union's corruption was of a materialistic nature that was petty thievery versus the Grand Theft of the Outlaw US Empire. The public gazes while the level of corruption escalates yet no one's every held accountable despite all sorts of empty rhetoric from both parties demanding it be applied. The public responds by becoming ever more cynical and telling pollsters they have very little trust in Congress and the federal government as a whole. A similar distrust is held towards media for good reason as Taibbi and other credible writers continually demonstrate.

As I've written before, the #1 job of the President is to insure the laws are properly enforced and the Constitution followed properly. That hasn't happened since FDR died (and the last months of his final term saw many illegal acts occur regarding liaison with Nazis), when the Constitution was broken by Truman in October 1945 and hasn't been enforced since. The idea proposed by Nixon that "It's not illegal when the President does it" has somehow become doctrine that now applies to the President's entire administration. Draining the Swamp means arresting most of the previous administration and prosecuting them for their lawbreaking and corruption, but that never occurs. And of course, a majority of the public are aghast and against such behavior--how can we expect average citizens to have any respect for the law when they see it broken and circumvented daily with the criminals stashing millions$$$ away? Today's corruption gives a whole new meaning to Billie Holiday's God Bless the Child.

I've compared the Outlaw US Empire's behavior to that of Mafiosi's, and at the domestic level it's almost as bad. When the government becomes a criminal enterprise, there's really only one remedy, but the public despite its agreement on the level of corruption is currently incapable of coming together to apply that remedy, and thus it continues to worsen. And that's why many of us barflies think to only way to break the Empire is via outside forces forcing it do obey International Law and fulfill its obligations under it, which will infiltrate into our domestic life.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 22 2023 17:49 utc | 19

Nothing really new except he admitted it. Amerikas cia thinks nothing of over throwing govts. in the world and here in Amerika. Then there's killing leaders don't don't fall in line.

I would like it stop but I don't that happening any time soon.

Posted by: jo6pac | Apr 22 2023 17:51 utc | 20

Thank you Debisdead, b, and Matt Taibbi!

To me we are experiencing the exposure of the contradictions inherent in a corrupt “Democracy of the Super Rich” vs a “Democracy of the Autocracies”.

Over at Naked Capitalism they posted a particularly concise history of antiquity by Michael Hudson that exposes the striking similarities of our current situation to the confabulations of the declining Roman Empire.

His historical explanation also explains why 70% of the Chinese populace consider their government a democracy.

Posted by: Michael.j | Apr 22 2023 17:52 utc | 21

Please, can anyone tell me what is the central point of the laptop? Admittedly, i have not pursued this story. The only pertinent detail i am aware of, is the laptop was left in a computer repair shop. Is there something revealing on the laptop? Thankyou.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 22 2023 18:06 utc | 22

Rest of the story. CIA GIFT to 9/11 story. CIA GIFTED 9/11

Posted by: Dennis Szilak | Apr 22 2023 18:26 utc | 23

where can i download the complete laptop content ?

Posted by: hans23 | Apr 22 2023 18:27 utc | 24

@ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 22 2023 18:06 utc | 22

Is there something revealing on the laptop?

Hinter Biden having sex with Lady Gaga. Hinter Biden smoking crack cocaine and having sex with Malia Obama. Or at least this is what the photographs appear to show.

But all this "revealing" stuff only came out after the elections. When the New York Post started publishing the contents before the elections, they concentrated on emails about potentially corrupt business dealings in Ukraine and China. This is what Blinken and Morell tried to censor.

I have collected sources here: Hunter Biden's laptop

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 22 2023 18:28 utc | 25

The funny part is that if b lived in the States, he would have voted for Biden, same for most of the posters here.

Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 22 2023 18:31 utc | 26

@hans23 | Apr 22 2023 18:27 utc | 24

where can i download the complete laptop content ?

You can't! If you did so in the US, you might be arrested for possession of child pornography.

You may find the most revealing photo shots in British tabloids. Try Daily Mail and Mirror Online.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 22 2023 18:32 utc | 27

It isn't called the Empire of Lies for nothing. Everything of any real worth or value is already lost as the very foundations of our society and government crack and crumble all around us. All that remains as far as I can see is the greed, arrogance, and incompetence of the Sociopaths and worse who are in charge, and a population divided against itself lost in illusion and delusion, ignorance and propaganda.

Never thought I would live to see it. This coming from a life long cynic. Collectively, it amounts to a society and a government gone insane. I see nothing less than a civilizational train wreck, which has already begun.

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Apr 22 2023 18:46 utc | 28

The United States has been corrupt from the begining. The Letters between Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Abigale Adams have been CENSORED since 1900. Search for the volumes of those letters printed before 1900 and the Family NAMES of the corrupt will be available. A Lot of the people writing and reading here are not in the U.S. you may be able to find old copies of these Vollumes of letters that have not be removed from circulation. The Names and other incriminating evidence was EDITED out of editions printed after 1900. Many of the Same crooked Families are still in Power and wish to remain anonymous. During the very first Congress of the newly formed Government Legislature called the "Assumtion Bill" was passed. This was financial legislation designed to stablize the economic situation in the new Nation and making the Depths of the Loans from Foreign Banks to the States a Federal responsibility for payment. The real reason is the Congress wanted to keep secrets. Within the Legislation a Cabal of 27 Senators placed a "rider" that would make the IOU'S given to State Militia member Soldiers of the Revolutionary Army redeamable at 100% of face value in three years. The Cabal of 27 senators had been buying up the IOU certificates for pennies on the dollar from the distute and improvershed Soldiers. The legislation passed and the Cabal made MILLIONS. I believe it was Senator Callhoon from South Carolina who stated, "To hell with the Poor Soldiers this bill must pass!" He of course was in on the scam and the Congress has never stopped stealing since. Adams and Jefferson were inraged but overwhelmed by the corruption.

Posted by: Stritchplatte | Apr 22 2023 18:47 utc | 29

Posted by: JustAMaverick | Apr 22 2023 18:46 utc | 28

I think it's more a US train wreck. the ripples of this will extend far and wide, but I don't think it's going to be some kind of general collapse of civilization.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 22 2023 19:02 utc | 31

...and since Obama came to power, increasingly deploying totalitarian tactics against its own population...

Posted by: marcjf | Apr 22 2023 17:23 utc | 11

Why Obama? What about RR and Waco in the 90's, and the Patriot Act of 2001?

And there has been election shenanigans for decades, probably longer - October Surprise, anyone?

Posted by: JMW | Apr 22 2023 19:05 utc | 32

We truly live in interesting times when less than 3 years after an election which was clearly "fixed", the architect of a cover up protecting one candidate can publically state that he did it.
Posted by: marcjf | Apr 22 2023 17:23 utc | 11

IANAL, but it seems 100% legal. In the USA, the president is elected, not by citizens, but by an electoral college. Once the electoral college has voted a president in office, irregularities in the citizens' voting process no longer matter.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 22 2023 19:08 utc | 33

Posted by: JMW | Apr 22 2023 19:05 utc | 32

which Biden helped cover up around 1990 or so.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 22 2023 19:16 utc | 34

Alternative explanation: CIA appointed Hunter Biden to the Burisma Board of Directors. Kinda stupid of them to use someone with lousy judgement and a nose candy habit, but it's their style. They wouldn't have to trust Hunter with any sensitive info; he may not even have known who he was really working for (probably thought he got the job based on connections, which made a fine cover story too). CIA - which was then still transitioning from a half-century as a GOP patronage haven - might have figured they could even use the cover story to keep Joe from running for President.

But Trump made a big stink about it, and Congressional Republicans wasted a bunch of time "investigating" Hunter, which threatened to expose CIA involvement. Same thing happened with the Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Hearings, which exposed CIA work moving weapons & jihadis between Syria & Libya.

CIA began to view GOP political witch-hunts as dangerous to The Company. Trump's erratic behavior and "policies" were even more dangerous to the organization and whatever it views as its mission these days (maintaining and expanding Wall Street's global hegemony?).

The old Big Money wing of the GOP had close ties with the CIA (see "Bush", "Casey", et-f-c), but the Trumpists weren't in on the deal, and as they became the face and heart of the GOP, the CIA had to distance itself from its traditional cozy relationship with the GOP.

As the Big Money wing struggles to regain control of the Mob it created, a new cohort of Trumpist "Republicans" in Congress actually take Trump's Tweet Storms seriously, madly chasing whatever enemy he points them to. This is no way to run a country, and even moreso, no way to run an Empire. The CIA [rightly] doesn't trust the New GOP, and certainly doesn't trust Trump, so of course they did what they could to block Trump's re-election.

When right-wingers bleat about CIA shenanigans, I just laugh. OTOH, I'm not the kind of Liberal Democrat who imagines that the CIA are the Good Guys now that we have a Democratic President; but I'm not gonna apologize for indulging in some schadenfreude over the GOP losing control over the National Security Bureaucracy.

Posted by: elkern | Apr 22 2023 19:24 utc | 35

The USA political system has become so viciously partisan and tribal that any "revelations" will be immediately filtered through such lens and be considered truth or lies accordingly. This will be the overarching reality until some sort of large scale crisis or disaster prompts a collective reality check.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 22 2023 19:24 utc | 36

You shouldn't intentionally misspell words in articles that are intended for adults ("Amerika"). It's just childish. I'm sorry, but it is. It's one step away from using a "z" at the end of a word that should end with an "s".

Posted by: RNSAKAANA | Apr 22 2023 19:25 utc | 37

oh, a spelling concern troll. that's novel.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 22 2023 19:30 utc | 38

To bring in Soviet Union or Watergate appears an exaggaration in order to get heard.

In that Taibbi is a part of the machinery.

Evoking the evils of Russian realities and instrumentalize them, which he likes to do (e.g. referencing the fate of his old friends in Moscow killed or threatened, during the Twitter House Hearing / comparison with Soviet propaganda system which is so different on so many levels) - and yet claiming that Russiagate is hysteria towards Russia is sort of hypocritical.

(Watergate has per se been an exaggeration all long by the MSM to picture the MSM as heroic. Since, as Taibbi correctly points out, those "crooks" were in fact just incompetent morons.)

All in all Taibbi appears a bit contradictory right now stuck between the realm which once helped him make a career and now trying to position himself in a new surrounding that has become way more corrupt since and yet keep to his ideals.

Anyway. That said - it is astonishing that English Wikipedia refers to these matters still as "conspiracy theory".

In Europe I get the impression all of this goes by completely unnoticed.

So yes, everyone here will spread the story.

p.s. I hope Taibbi will involve enough people so he has a public shield. Not that something bad happens.

from "Analyze This". This is funny. And then its not.

-He committed suicide
-He stabbed himself in the back four times and threw himself off a bridge

Posted by: AG | Apr 22 2023 19:32 utc | 39

btw here the response from the Dems to the Jordan letter:

Posted by: AG | Apr 22 2023 19:46 utc | 40

"Matt calls this the 'Sovietization' of Amerika a metaphor that I'm not particularly comfortable with as Soviet bureaucrats used to claim with some justification that their efforts to control information was in the people's interest." @ Debs is Dead

Agree Debs.
Not to take away from the point of the article but I don't understand why Taibbi chose to use the word sovietization for his article. I generally appreciate Matt's journalism but this feels like red baiting to appeal to US anti commie sentiment.
I really hate this kind of comparison since it is part of that movement that seeks to make the Soviets into the "more evil" bad guys of history in order to demonize Russia today.

Posted by: K | Apr 22 2023 19:49 utc | 41

as to the Democrats´ rebuttal of the Jordan letter - the last long response by Morell is really funny because it inherently devalues the entire strategy of the foregoing democratic argumentation just by the sheer style of Morell´s he calls the now SoS "Tony". Which, sry, makes any claim for official procedure totally unbelievable.

Not smart.

Posted by: AG | Apr 22 2023 19:55 utc | 42

Petri Krohn no. 25

Thankyou for that. I didn't open any of the links, but as far as i can see from the headlines, he hasn't done anything else that any other "elite" or politician has done. It's all a load of bollocks really.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 22 2023 19:57 utc | 43

"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say." Tyrion Lannister.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Apr 22 2023 20:04 utc | 44

Furthermore, when the Framers of the Constitution began to rewrite the Articles of Confederation, which was beyond the stated goal of revision, they blacked out all the windows of the building they were in and swore not to reveal any of the discussions. Notes of the secret proceeding were not published until 1838 when all the Framers had already died. The European Union finds itself in a similar dilemma as created by the Articles of small country can derail the plans of all the others. Hence the plans to change EU rules to remove unanimity in decision-making which will allow the same creeping consolidation and centralisation of power that has happened in the US, thus even further cementing control of the US and EU in the hands of financial elites and the military, political, and social minions who perpetuate that control and benefit thereof.
Oh USA...born in secrecy at the behest of bankers, businessmen, and imperialists...whither will thou wander?

Posted by: Objective Observer | Apr 22 2023 20:13 utc | 45

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 17:06 utc | 7

Yes, it's been obvious to us sentient folks for years, but there really aren't that many of us. A lot of what may pass for sentient on the basis of a single "issue" turns out to be total crap when you scratch the surface and find the "Save the Children" or "Muscovite Jewish Mafia" posts in their social media.

I'm with elkern | Apr 22 2023 19:24 utc | 35 inasmuch as I too am enjoying a little bit of, probably ultimately stupid, schadenfreude watching Republicans bitch and moan about losing what they perceived as their grip on, or at the least their cozy relationship with and ability to steer the intelligence/surveillance/security federal LEAs. Years of Red baiting, witch hunts, lies and deceptions have dulled my empathy for anyone on the right that ends up being targeted by them. Not that this is really what's happening, of course, since it was 4 Black leftists charged by the corporate right wing Biden administration.

To your points, however, bevin, Biden is and always has been the Democrats' front man for Wall Street/FIRE sector empire to include warlike foreign policies in service to capital. They don't call them "Delaware Corporations" for nothing, ya know. But seriously looking at his history, he has voted and governed like a Reagan Republican. His best friend was that segregationist, he's voted for every war I can remember, and he's the perfect personification of the phrase "The Democrats are the Republicans' bulwark against the labor-left." At this point in history, party names, mascots and colors are essentially meaningless.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 20:20 utc | 46

Some interesting discussion on the USSR, the US's 'strengths' and US-Soviet comparisons.

Look, the Democratic Party has two wings, and the Corporate wing is viciously opposed to the Sanders/social democrat wing gaining power. Biden was the compromise there - their candidate, our agenda (well, more or less our agenda - look what happened when the "left" tried to tax Corporate America, or criticize the war in Ukraine).

Biden II? He's already bumbling about trying to find staircases. Please, no.

The Democrats had PLENTY to hit Trump with in 2019: from the environment to work safety regulations to Labor and the list goes on. Problem was, they didn't want to give the Left any ammunition on the *economic* issues. So they threw themselves on the 'insurrection' and 'Russiagate' and 'Ukraine'. And, of course, hushed up Hunter's role over there because you know, only the GOP can be Corporate bad guys (newsflash: Corporate Dems, Corporate GOP, the methods change, the objectives do not).

Trump as savior? 2020 a 'stolen election'? Please. Beating a dead horse there. Or maybe Shapiro stole the election from Mastroianno in Pennsylvania a couple months ago? Maybe the Dems stole GA from MAGA a second time around, too? Cmon. The asshole got beat fair and square. Which, if you look at how the elections work on a Federal level, actually meant that a disproportionate number of people had to vote for Biden over Trump, because states with runt populations like North and South Dakota, Idaho, etc., get as many electoral votes as Democrat-leaning states ten times their population. So if you *really* want to talk about what is unfair...

As for what 'made America great' - it was imperialism, pure and simple. Last guy standing without massive internal damage following WWII, first one out scooping up the colonies. 'We' supported apartheid. 'We' supported every petty dictator from South East Asia (South Korea, Vietnam) to Africa to Central and South America. And the billions poured in. The same people who ran that ran off to China to break Organized Labor, in the 1980s. Repubican (Reagan) and Democrat (Clinton) alike. You folks are sore because you feel betrayed by the same people who shafted your daddy and his daddy before him. You don't want something different - maybe a world where everybody gets dignity - you want what your parents had: three hots and a flop, and if that means shilling for Corporate America butchering other peoples across the world, oh, well, right?

Posted by: Myke Simonian | Apr 22 2023 20:21 utc | 47

Of a piece with today's talk about the Constitution's original sin: The US Constitution is a Plutocratic Document

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 20:23 utc | 48

Adams and Jefferson were inraged but overwhelmed by the corruption.

Posted by: Stritchplatte | Apr 22 2023 18:47 utc | 29

Do you know of a good book or article that goes through that history well? I've always assumed that America was a mixed bag from the get-go but that along with ordinary greed and immorality was a genuine attempt to create something different and better.

I also know that during the 1800's many other countries were looking at America as an example of how to structure and run countries better, various luminaries in Europe - including a Tzar - and further afield in Asia. America represented a huge sea change in how republics might manifest and how dynamic they could be and that the whole world could move forward in a similar uplifted fashion.

Was it all a sham from the get-go? Or was there a genuine pushme-pullyou as I believe? Perhaps it doesn't matter, but the present is built on the foundations from the past which in many ways continue to dictate the future. Once the Money Power has captured a polity and can continue in power unchecked and unaccountable, how can such a polity be restored? It seems to me that only an extremely genuine movement from the people with a better than 70% majority and a clear sense of mission and purpose could effect such a thing. Otherwise tinkering with this, that or the other is just further enabling.

Well done, debsisdead and b for publishing. But I don't get something. What about this is news? It was obvious back in October 2020 that the letter from all those professionals was BS. Also that the laptop was real and had seriously incriminating evidence. And that nothing would be done. And things like this are ongoing every day, just one lie or betrayal after another. What about this story is special or different or more significant than, say, the recent reveal that the FBI was involved in 9/11.

It's been clear they were involved in the false flag Jan 6 insurrection of 2020 but so what? Nothing happens. Narratives don't change. Innocents still rot in solitary awaiting trial. This just seems like more of the same. What am I missing?

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 22 2023 20:25 utc | 49

Posted by: Myke Simonian | Apr 22 2023 20:21 utc | 47

Don't forget the faux DEI woke corporate identity politics that the Wall Street/Silicon Valley/MIC owned Democrats have put forth as the *main* plank in their platform since 2016. Killary thought she could get away with not campaigning in the so-called rust belt states and Midwest by relying on the woke messaging and claiming anyone on the left who didn't support her, a woman, were sexists and the like. Also cue up the clip of Sanders being shouted down at one of his own rallies by a group of Social Justice Warriors® attempting to reframe the key class-economic issues as strictly about race. Then recall that in the 2020 primary season, Sanders was looking like he had a healthy lead up to the primaries in states with large African American populations like South Carolina. Never mind the fact that no Democrat would EVER carry one of these states in a General Election. Doesn't matter. Creepy Uncle Joe and the corporate Democrat machine steamrolled Bernie again with a lot of help guessed it, the "left-wing liberal media" and their "Cultural Marxism" /sarc.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 20:29 utc | 50

@ Posted by: marcjf | Apr 22 2023 17:23 utc | 11

“It may have been the lessor of two evils, but as a European they [USA] won three wars for us - WW1, WW2 and the Cold War - all existential conflicts.”

Oh dear… oh dear … how many bridges have you bought?

Do you know the saying history is written by …????

Anyway some pointers.

The First WW was entered by them at the end, once most of the killing and dying had been done , the old European imperialism had been set to self destruct, the oil wells of the Middle East and the main target Russia was supposedly opened up by the destruction of its Royal family by the Bolsheviks, who they also funded, and the Zion project in the Palestine was ‘legally contracted’ with a fast written Balfour Declaration that allowed the Brits to borrow from the Fed!

WW2 was won by the Russians. Full stop.

In the only existential war of all the belligerents.
It was attacked by a proxy army masquerading under the Germans as Nazis which also was fully financed by the same Bankers as the ones who did WW1.
They also took the British Empire to bits and gained even more control of the Blqck Gold resources and set the latest Western Empire and Reserve Currency underway.

The Yanks only put boots on the ground to stop the Red Army marching all the way
to the Atlantic and Mediterranean. And then proceeded to be an occupying force ever since! And are still here with all their nasties, having taken control of all our politicians, public services and corporations.

The Soviet Union was bankrupted but Russia survived - yet again - and the Bankers have yet again organised a proxy Nazi army in next some deluded fools to attempt a taking it again. Your ‘lesser of two evils’. Lol.
They have failed yet again.

If you still believe your fairytales , come back , I have some bridges you can have real real cheap.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 22 2023 20:30 utc | 51

The USA is rotten to the core. The Bidens are just one small, yet very visible, segment of the total corruption.

That is why it will be severely judged by the Judge no man can buy off. That is the Heavenly Father.

Russia will take and secure all the Donbas. Soon after that, the bear will launch a nuclear first strike against the USA. The USA will be destroyed within one hour.

That time is not very far away. Get out of the USA while you easily can.

You really don't want to be a part of what is coming to the USA. If you want some idea of what is coming to the USA, read Jeremiah 50 replacing the word "Babylon" with the "USA". This shows what will happen to the USA and the peoples found therein.

Posted by: young | Apr 22 2023 20:31 utc | 52

WTF! People asking about the contents of the laptop even now?
I am simply astounded that so few people, even now at this late stage have seen the contents of the laptop when they were released in full and uncensored in Hong Kong and Taiwan around 2 years ago.
These people who have not seen the full contents are likely Americans and British where the censorship was so extreme, but there is really no excuse as the Hong Kong and Chinese Alt Media ran the entire contents during COVID and all you had to do was search outside English language media.
Asian Alt Media released all the sick images of Hunter with the little girls, the Chinese Whores, the Disney Actress, the needles and the powders.
The sick pics of him shooting over the screen, getting head from a very young looking girl, the pre teen pole dancer, and the general naked stuff in hotel rooms, and much more.
The videos and pics were in addition to the documents.
I am astounded that so few people have bothered to research the Hong Kong and Taiwanese alt media where this story broke first and where the now infamous 10% for the big guy phrase was popularised.
They ran it as it exposed the links between the Chinese and US elite which they objected to.
There was evidence that Hunter was getting favours from China in the form of more than money.
Come on guys, the alt media is not just a US thing.
Do the leg work and learn.

Posted by: Laptop Contents | Apr 22 2023 20:32 utc | 53

Regarding the post by "Lev Davidovich" (which I understand the meaning of) @4: I was taken aback by your seeming claim by "bevin" @2 that he labeled himself as "Kike". I don't know how this slipped by b's censor, if he has one; but this is NOT ok. I don't know if that post is slander, but it's certainly antisemitism. This was repeated by "Eion Clancy @10. What's up with you guys? Don't do that - ever. And no wisecracks to the effect of "who appointed me censor?".

Posted by: Traven's Ghost | Apr 22 2023 20:37 utc | 54

Laptop Contents @53 - I guess I'm one of the victims of censorship. Doesn't come as a surprise at all. Do you have any links to said materials? I'd definitely like to take a gander (hoping that any child pron has been culled, of course).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 20:38 utc | 55

So, from what I gather in the material presented here, Michael Morrell, a civilian who is a retired CIA career professional, promoted a letter in favor of Joe Biden, the candidate whom he supported in the 2015 presidential campaign, and he encouraged other retired intelligence officers to sign on to it. And this letter was promoted by Anthony Blinken, a civilian who formerly served in President Obama's administration, and who was working for the Biden campaign. And Mr. Blinken suggested that the information which was provided by an unscrupulous computer repairman, who chose to reveal the private contents of Hunter Biden's hard drive to the notoriously unscrupulous New York Post, was of questionable reliability or quality. And that the computer repair technician transmitted this information by way of Republican party operatives, who had a clear interest in damaging the campaign of Mr. Biden.

And that the revelations of the computer technician, based upon his unauthorized sharing of his client's data, did not have the anticipated effect of damaging Mr. Biden's campaign for the presidency. T.hereby disappointing Mr. Trump's supporters, including Jim Jordan.

And I am supposed to become irritated or annoyed by this? Or surprised? On the contrary, I am irritated and annoyed that anyone would suppose that any of this is more significant seeing than an empty Cheetos bag blowing down the street.

The fact that Republican Jim Jordan is leading the investigation of this molehill is annoying. And the fact that a wrestling coach with IQ of a possum and the instincts of a bedbug is a Senator is much more disturbing and irritating than any of the jaywalking allegations against the Biden campaign.

Yes, Biden turned out to be a jerk and he is walking us to the brink of Armageddon, thanks to his neoconservative State Department. And no, he is not worse than Trump, under whom we would already be burnt toast or else starving in nuclear winter. The US is thoroughly screwed up, as we might expect at the end times of capitalism. Forget about looking for a savior. We are on our own now. The best we can do is to be kind and gentle to one another. Which is pretty much the same as it's always been.

And Namaste to all (I honor the divine within you). Have courage and be not afraid.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Apr 22 2023 20:41 utc | 56

PeterAU1 - did you mean this one?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 20:42 utc | 57

Thus Spake Zarathustra @ 22:

As far as I'm aware, Hunter Biden left his laptop with the technician for quite a long time (several months? a year even?) so the technician apparently decided to check and run some of the files to see if he could find Biden's contact details. He apparently found photos of Biden having sex with underage girls, some of them very underage, and that is one reason, maybe the main reason, he turned the laptop over to the police.

Of course there would have been all the incriminating emails about Hunter Biden being on the Board of Directors at Burisma and Biden himself complaining how his father wanted a cut of the money he (Hunter) was making from his position there. Not to mention references to Joe Biden's pressure on former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to sack the Ukrainian Prosecutor General if that fellow insisted on pursuing an investigation of Burisma's activities. But I think all of that came later after The New York Post began reporting on the laptop.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 22 2023 20:50 utc | 58

Posted by: Traven's Ghost | Apr 22 2023 20:37 utc | 54

LOL you misinterpreted what happened. Someone calling themselves "Kike" must have made the first two posts. I'm sure they were wildly offensive and b deleted them. bevin's comment that currently resides at #1 would have been #3 at that time, so he was saying - prior to b's deletions - his #3 post would soon be 'promoted' to #1. Turns out he was right.

Then Lev Davidovich (Leon Trotsky) saw the thread while at least one of "Kike's" comments was still visible and his comment @ #4 was addressed to that person, not bevin.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 20:51 utc | 59

Should they not be tried and removed from Office ?

Posted by: leocz | Apr 22 2023 17:44 utc | 16

Sir, with respect to enforcing, filing, convicting, sentencing American Deep State Scum and traitors, I suggest you look up the song, "There's a hole in the bucket."
It is a map for enforcing Criminal Charges for U.S. Insider, Card-Carrying Members of the U.S. Deep State (the Mob).


Posted by: kupkee | Apr 22 2023 21:00 utc | 60

excellent.. thanks debs, b and taibbi.. some grest posts here too! lex@9 and marcjf@11…
did b delete some eric newhill comments? whatever…

longhorn.. quit being an idiot, or is that the role you want at moa?

i agree strongly wth lex @ 9 last paragraph…

Posted by: james | Apr 22 2023 21:16 utc | 61

Refinnejenna no.58

It just begs the question WHY would ANYONE leave a computer ANYWHERE for repairs with sensitive material on it. I'm no fan of any of the bidens, but logic asks, are they that fucking dumb? (Or that poor?)

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 22 2023 21:21 utc | 62

Morbid curiosity and boredom got the better of me and I dug up this pretty comprehensive report on Hunter's laptop. (Trigger warning - Pics are partially censored, but view at your own discretion)

That's a link directly to the "Sex Crimes" section. Of note, I couldn't find anything about underage girls other than a brief mention of a Romanian webcam operator who *may* have been using them given that country's propensity for such things. The vast majority of this section depicts prostitute after prostitute and conversations and payments to them and their pimps. I didn't get through the author of the report's legal justifications for the allegations of criminal activity (other than hiring prostitutes where it's illegal and in some cases soliciting across state lines), but again I don't see any legit accusations of paedophilia.

Looking at other sections of the report, it appears that the real criminal activity wasn't related to sex, but rather business and corruption, including in Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 21:23 utc | 63

Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 22 2023 18:31 utc | 26

So the general election was legitimate, then?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 21:24 utc | 64

From my side of the pond it looks like the USA has the best Constitution that money can buy...

Posted by: West of England Andy | Apr 22 2023 21:34 utc | 65

I viewed the entire contents of Hunter’s laptop in October 2020.
That election year’s “October Surprise”
I read all the emails between Hunter and Devin Archer re Ukraine and their mutual business with Burisma.
The sex stuff, while real, and certainly of prurient interest, is not why the laptop is “kryptonite” to Biden, Pelosi, John Kerry and the Cabal.
So many roads lead to Ukraine.
But the laptop is a freeway.
Anyone wanting an “off ramp” from Ukraine can use the laptop to explain why $150b+++ USD has been poured into Ukraine in a year.
Biden and the Cabal are hiding their corruption.
Trump is in trouble, not for fucking a hooker, but for trying to paying a hooker to STFU.
Biden and the Cabal kept doubling down on Ukraine to cover their “business” there.
Including biomedical labs with research into… COVID-19.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 22 2023 21:44 utc | 66

Tom @59:
I didn't grasp what the former did to the latter, or the latter did to the former. If I were in the inner loop of your wisdom I would have known. All I saw was a couple of references that should not have been there. I won't get in pissing matches with clowns or antisemites, so I'll stay out of the MOA commentary in the future.

Posted by: Traven's Ghost | Apr 22 2023 21:44 utc | 67

ICH, which deserves support, has this story on the matter.

"Spy letter about Hunter Biden shows how Dems are undermining democracy"
By James Bovard

"In the days leading up to the election, 51 top intelligence officials claimed the Hunter Biden laptop was disinfo.

"Politico remains silent on changing ‘Russian disinfo’ Hunter Biden laptop story headline
State Dept. stays silent on Blinken arranging ‘spies who lie’ letter
Hunter Biden laptop letter was the real disinfo all along
In the closing address at last month’s Summit for Democracy, Secretary of State Antony Blinken piously proclaimed, “As President Biden has said, democracy doesn’t happen by accident.

“It requires constant effort.”

"Or in the case of the 2020 election, it required deceiving American voters.

The House Judiciary Committee revealed that Blinken, then a top Biden adviser, orchestrated the letter from 51 top intelligence officials claiming that Hunter Biden’s laptop was nothing but a Russian disinformation campaign.

"Blinken contacted former acting CIA chief Mike Morell, who swayed scores of other former top officials — including three ex-CIA chiefs — to sign that letter to debunk the biggest threat to the Biden presidential campaign.

"In the final presidential debate on Oct. 22, Joe Biden invoked that letter from former intelligence officials to deflect Donald Trump’s attacks on Biden family corruption.

"Polls show that Biden would have lost the election if the media had accurately reported the contents of that laptop.

"Biden pretended that letter arose spontaneously from the patriotic sentiments of former officials.

"But the letter was “triggered” by Blinken’s call to Morell, who then contacted his former colleagues.

"Former CIA director Mike Pompeo summarized his agency’s motif: “We lied, we cheated, we stole. It was like we had entire training courses.”

"Blinken’s ploy may have swayed Biden to appoint him secretary of state.

"The media are mostly ignoring or downplaying the revelations of Blinken’s machinations.

"If the roles were reversed, cable news and front-page headlines would be screaming about a villainous Trump operative pulling official strings to whitewash the Donald.

"MSNBC would be howling about the death of democracy, and CNN hosts would be sobbing hysterically about the dirty deal.

"But when Team Biden does it: nothing to see here, move along.

"How many presidential elections can Democrats seek to dishonestly rig without suffering any penalty flags from media scorekeepers?..."

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 21:45 utc | 68

Traven's Ghost@67
You are being overly sensitive- an insult to the memory of that robust and courageous revolutionary who wrote under the name of B Traven.
And I am the person accused by you of anti-semitism, read Tom@59 and, perhaps mine @2 again and you will see that you were mistaken.
Plenty of antisemites visit this site, they are unwelcome but, provided that they are civil, their nonsense is displayed where they put it. In the end it rots away like the carrion that it is.
Free Speech is what we believe in, pearl tearing is frowned upon.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 21:52 utc | 69

Thus Spake Zarathustra @ 62:

If you knew anything about Hunter Biden's lifestyle and state of mind at the time he surrendered his laptop to the computer technician, you'd wonder why he was even allowed to have a laptop in the first place.

Tom Q Collins @ 63:

I do not dispute what you say in your comment. It may be possible though that the evidence of business corruption and Joe Biden's involvement in it was not the original reason the laptop was handed over to the police. The evidence may have come out later once the police started investigating all the files on the laptop's hard drive.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 22 2023 21:58 utc | 70


Pearl Clutching. that is.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2023 22:01 utc | 71

Just to reinforce Diego’s point (# 17)

It is a matter of record that conservative populist Pat Buchanan won every Republican Presidential Primary in 1996 in which paper ballots were used and came in last or next to last in every Primary in which electronic ballots were cast. Just a coincidence?

Answer to Myke Simonian (#47): “As for what 'made America great' - it was imperialism, pure and simple. Last guy standing without massive internal damage following WWII, first one out scooping up the colonies.”

Not at all—that was what made America evil. Nature abhors a vacuum. It would have taken heroic national virtue to not step into the power vacuum after WWII, and the Dulles brothers, Eisenhower, and others didn’t have it.

What did “make America great” was abundant natural resources and an independent, hard-working populace made up mostly of European immigrants who wanted a better life for themselves and their children, along with tariffs that allowed industrial development, after they caused the American Civil War.

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 22 2023 22:03 utc | 72

Below is a ZH posting title showing the CIA is potentially complicit in more perfidy

Court Filing Suggests Troubling CIA Links To Two 9/11 Hijackers

Who does the CIA work for?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2023 22:08 utc | 73

Posted by: Myke Simonian | Apr 22 2023 20:21 utc | 47

Why do you insist on talking about people voting for Biden in 2020, a majority sent in ballots, big difference.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 22 2023 22:14 utc | 74

Posted by: Clever Dog | Apr 22 2023 20:41 utc | 56

Desperate attempt to whistle in the graveyard, your nervousness about his investigations into institutional weaponisation, including the FBI’s role with the laptop, is obvious.

‘IQ of a possum’, at least Jim Jordan knows he’s in Congress, not the Senate! Have a Bud-Light on me, not so clever dog.

Posted by: Milites | Apr 22 2023 22:28 utc | 75

In Europe I get the impression all of this goes by completely unnoticed.

Posted by: AG | Apr 22 2023 19:32 utc | 39

Yes, more or less: there were two articles at Der Spiegel for the Twitter files but not mentioning anything specific, no real content just bla bla Musk, bla Twitter, Right-Wing liberal buh bad, Musk exaggerating freedom of speech bla bla, nothing to see, move on. Same for the laptop, no contents, just depicting it as a smear campaign etc.

Biden could shoot somebody right in the head in front of the White House and they wouldn’t report on it.

Posted by: Zet | Apr 22 2023 22:30 utc | 76

Longhorn is an obvious shill for the western 3 letter word agencies, I usually skip his posts albeit I noted he stated that barflies would vote democrat...was worth a serious guffaw, insinuating that barflies are just as gullible.

Posted by: Arcticman | Apr 22 2023 22:44 utc | 77

Thank you very much for the link Debs, great post !

I share your feeling about the "not Ukraine" thread. It would be nice If B could go back to a more balanced serie of posts between Ukraine and not Ukraine. Still have Ukraine's posts in this blog, but not that much. IMHO. But It seems B is trying to do just that since he came back from his short "need some fresh air" absence.

Posted by: F | Apr 22 2023 22:48 utc | 78

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 21:23 utc | 63

Whoa, dude.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 22 2023 22:50 utc | 79

Clever Dog @ 56 wrote:

"And that the revelations of the computer technician, based upon his unauthorized sharing of his client's data, did not have the anticipated effect of damaging Mr. Biden's campaign for the presidency. Thereby disappointing Mr. Trump's supporters, including Jim Jordan.

And I am supposed to become irritated or annoyed by this? Or surprised? On the contrary, I am irritated and annoyed that anyone would suppose that any of this is more significant seeing than an empty Cheetos bag blowing down the street. "

Amen brother!

A person has to be as gullible as the followers of Kim Kardashian to believe that whole idea that the Hunter Biden's laptop means anything at all.

It is obviously an invented story. That does not mean the characters in the story are not real. They are every bit as real as Kim kardashian...

What the phony story means is:
There is a massive attempt to lead people around by the nose.

And what is truly sad, is to watch so many following like sheep.

Posted by: jinn | Apr 22 2023 22:51 utc | 80

So the general election was legitimate, then?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 21:24 utc | 64

No, it was rigged in Biden's favor. I am just noting that Biden is far-left and far-left people would have voted for him.

Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 22 2023 22:54 utc | 81

The US money parties are eating each other for lunch and the RoW gets to watch

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 22 2023 16:57 utc | 5

I have always said that the two-party system in the US is not a democratic system because it doesn't serve the interest of the majority of the working and toiling masses. Hoverer, from the time of its inception on March 4, 1789, (234 years ago), it has been mistaken for a democracy due to the ferocious struggles between the various elements within the minority ruling class, and while the inter class struggles of the capitalist can be vicious, and often quite bloody, the working class, once it has seized state power, is expected to behave like choir boys abe ever so democratic about All issues.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 22 2023 22:57 utc | 82

the fact that this information is being released now can only mean that senior Democrat party figures (Obama and Hillary most likely) are moving to get Biden to step down and not run for a 2nd term. The Question is will Hillary try to squeeze herself into the run or will they let Kamala have her turn to crash and burn?

Posted by: Kadath | Apr 22 2023 23:05 utc | 83

No, it was rigged in Biden's favor. I am just noting that Biden is far-left and far-left people would have voted for him.

Posted by: Longhorn | Apr 22 2023 22:54 utc | 81


If you think Biden is left, much less FAR-LEFT, then you need to have your horns removed because they are growing into your head and making you talk cow shit. What the fuck is the matter with you Trump monkeys. Biden is, and always has been, prowar right wing Neo-Liberal and a Neo-Con. If he were a Republican, you would love the bastard.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 22 2023 23:06 utc | 84

who even cares about this when DC is rotten and corrupt from top to bottom? Why even talk about when it's obvious everyone else in that city is a corrupt snake? you're screaming about one rock on a mountain.

Posted by: grom | Apr 22 2023 23:08 utc | 85

Posted by: jinn | Apr 22 2023 22:51 utc | 80

A person has to be as gullible as the followers of Kim Kardashian to believe that whole idea that the Hunter Biden's laptop means anything at all.

It is obviously an invented story. That does not mean the characters in the story are not real. They are every bit as real as Kim kardashian...

What the phony story means is:
There is a massive attempt to lead people around by the nose.

And what is truly sad, is to watch so many following like sheep.

Sorry, but I disagree. USA citizen here. We suck. Totally agree. I'm sure we agree on the finer points, as well.
Ukraine, Bidet, Giuliani, laptop actually kinda matter a bit when one looks at 404 and USA support. Even if that support is from the sheep. Or perhaps I am just chasing a djinn with this post.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 22 2023 23:18 utc | 86

the fact that this information is being released now can only mean that senior Democrat party figures (Obama and Hillary most likely) are moving to get Biden to step down and not run for a 2nd term. The Question is will Hillary try to squeeze herself into the run or will they let Kamala have her turn to crash and burn?

Posted by: Kadath | Apr 22 2023 23:05 utc | 83

Now Kadath, you are saying something that makes sense. Lenin said that Bourgeois politics is nothing but a pigsty.

Most objective observers in the DP know that Biden is a looser in 2024 (unless Trump runs). Kamala Harris is not a contender either. God help us, but the Hillary may well think she has a chance. I doubt it, but she has proven to be one of the most vicious pigs in the Democratic Party pigsty.

Posted by: Ed | Apr 22 2023 23:20 utc | 87

gotta be impressed that they think of going after hunter on tax fraud but the many other epsteinesque crimes on that laptop are untouched . youd think posting drug use is a given , then theres underage stuff.

Posted by: hankster | Apr 22 2023 23:25 utc | 88

Well wasn't Gary Glitter convicted years ago because of his PC contents when he send it in for repairs?
So how stupid can you be, entrusting a laptop with highly compromising material to an IT shop?
It's not only Biden Jr's depravity, but also his utter stupidity that makes this world head for a disaster. The Biden family, oooh God help us!

Posted by: Anthony | Apr 22 2023 23:28 utc | 89

Posted by: Anthony | Apr 22 2023 23:28 utc | 89
Sorry. I can't help myself. I promise I won't post any R Kelly. Please forgive me everyone.

Gary Glitter - Do You Wanna Touch Me (1973)

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 22 2023 23:33 utc | 90

Posted by: Traven's Ghost | Apr 22 2023 21:44 utc | 67

No wisdom required. Just an understanding of how comments get numbered here, including what happens to subsequent comments when previous ones get deleted.

No need to refrain from posting as it's obvious to most of us who the real anti-semites are and which are just anti-zionist.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 22 2023 23:53 utc | 91

Zet no. 76

"Biden could shoot somebody right in the head in front of the White House and they wouldn’t report on it."

Let us hope it's someone of significance then.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 22 2023 23:56 utc | 92

before reading a single comment, i did a quick search on 3 words on this page here at MoA, w/zero hits:
canada, israel, france

as far as labor action goes, these same 3 words have been blacked out of the NYT for more or less the last two weeks. other stuff, yes, there is some coverage, e.g., Macron in China.

people going on strike, hell the hell no, not worth noticing. the "full spectrum total information awareness dominance" in the US is in full swing.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 22 2023 23:59 utc | 93

Related, RT reports that a D-party witch hunt is being conducted for Matt Taibbi:

Democratic congresswoman Stacey Plaskett threatened Twitter Files journalist Matt Taibbi with prosecution for perjury, accusing the independent journalist of deliberately misrepresenting the partnership between the social media giant and various US government agencies during his testimony before Congress last month, independent journalist Lee Fang revealed on Thursday.

Fang, who obtained and published a copy of the letter from the Virgin Islands representative, pointed out that Plaskett based her allegations largely on claims made by MSNBC journalist Mehdi Hassan during a recent confrontational interview between Hassan and Taibbi - accusations Fang had already debunked in a recent piece published on his Substack blog.

Plaskett’s claim that Taibbi had deliberately mixed up CISA (the Homeland Security subsidiary, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency) and CIS (the Center for Internet Security) in order to falsely depict an unconstitutionally cozy relationship between the Department of Homeland Security and Twitter was based on a single tweet, which Taibbi had deleted upon realizing his error and which was unrelated to his March 9 testimony before the House Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government.

As Taibbi pointed out to GrayZone journalist Aaron Maté on Friday, however, that comment referred to just one of many well-documented connections between DHS, its contractors (like CIS and the Election Integrity Partnership), and Twitter, and the Twitter Files ultimately revealed the platform was working with both CIS and CISA in the same manner.

Plaskett, who denounced Taibbi as a "so-called journalist" during the subcommittee hearing and accused him of posing a threat to people who disagreed with him, rounded out her letter with seven questions, demanding answers by this past Friday on the penalty of prosecution for perjury, which carries a five-year prison sentence. However, Taibbi claimed he did not even receive the message until the deadline had already arrived. Analyzing the document, Fang revealed it was co-written by staffers for House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and former House Judiciary Committee chair Jerry Nadler.

All the crap shares the same rectum--the D-Party. How many people have brazely lied to Congress and never faced the penalty? All too many. IMO, Plaskett ought to watch her own mouth before she gets nailed for libel. The best media covering the ongoing shit-show is based in Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 23 2023 0:05 utc | 94

who even cares about this when DC is rotten and corrupt from top to bottom? Why even talk about when it's obvious everyone else in that city is a corrupt snake? you're screaming about one rock on a mountain.

Posted by: grom | Apr 22 2023 23:08 utc | 85

I don't care if you don't care. I call it bull shit and there is not an electoral antidote for this corruption. This requires an all-out anti-capitalist movement to drain this swamp. These bastards control every aspect of our life, and the bastards call themselves Democrats and Republicans. For people like Longhorn, the R and the D somehow make a difference, but from Longhorn's silence, I think he got the message: What about you Mr. grom?

Posted by: Ed | Apr 23 2023 0:06 utc | 95

It's no coincidence that the Hunter (what kind of person names his spawn Hunter, anyway?) Bidet laptop story just started getting prominence again. Bidet, Big Man Joe, that is, is supposed to announce in a few days whether he'll run again. If he does, even with massive voter fraud he might not "win" against a resurgent Trump this time. This is all a ploy to blackmail him into announcing that he won't run. Then the laptop will be memory holed as quickly as it was revived.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 0:16 utc | 96

@Ed 84

To Trumpets, the DayMockRatIck tribe is "communist" and they don't even know or can be made to read enigma to understand what a Communist is.

The Trumpet cartoonist Ben Garrison, who draws Trump as an Aryan Superman/God hybrid figure, keeps blathering on about "commies in the White House" and so on. I asked him to define "communist", whereupon he blocked me.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 0:21 utc | 97

Enough, not enigma

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 23 2023 0:22 utc | 98

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 22 2023 18:06 utc | 22

Video of Hunter smoking crack while getting a foot-job by his underage niece.

Also emails detailing 10% for the big guy

Posted by: Mary | Apr 23 2023 0:32 utc | 99

Re: Stacey Plaskett

I did some reading on her when I saw the abject stupidity lurking in the words of her letter to Matt Taibbi. Turns out she's a typical neocon/neolib swamp creature, but one without an actual vote due to the fact she quasi-represents the occupied colonies that Uncle Scam calls the U.S. Virgin Islands. That place is crawling with feds and spooks for some reason.

Anyway here's the short Spookipedia version: Until 2008, when she was appointed by George W. Bush to the Department of Justice (not sure what role), she was a registered Republican. Her father was an NYPD pig and her mom was a clerk in the prosecutor's office. Got a law degree, became a prosecutor herself, moved to D.C. to join the swamp and was given the appointment. She did one or two decent things like suing Phillip Morris, but otherwise seems to have constantly existed in the DOJ and FBI ecosystem including a stint with James Comey.

So again, another careerist Swamp Creature that understands it's all about how much of a chameleon you can be in Washington and that ultimately, at that level, party affiliation is mostly irrelevant.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 23 2023 0:33 utc | 100

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