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April 20, 2023
Russia And NATO Agree – The War In Ukraine Will Continue

NATO chief says Ukraine’s ‘rightful place’ is in the allianceAP – Apr 20, 2023

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg defiantly declared Thursday that Ukraine’s “rightful place” is in the military alliance and pledged more support for the country on his first visit to Kyiv since Russia’s invasion just over a year ago.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged Stoltenberg, who has been instrumental in marshaling support from NATO members, to push for even more from them, including warplanes, artillery and armored equipment.

Prevention of Ukraine’s accession to NATO remains one of special op’s goals — KremlinTass – Apr 20, 2023

MOSCOW, April 20. /TASS/. Prevention of Ukraine’s accession to NATO remains one of the special military operation’s goals, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Thursday.

"Of course, because, otherwise, this will pose a serious, significant threat for our country’s security," the spokesman said, answering a question.

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Barflies,
Please take the RFKjr and Norman Conquest discussions over to the not-Ukraine board. Thank you

Posted by: Exile | Apr 21 2023 5:26 utc | 201

Posted by: Milites | Apr 20 2023 23:52 utc | 150
Ah, I get the sense this is probably your 4th or 5th user name here. Keep fanboi’ing Trump if you want, I don’t care. Just don’t accuse us actual lefties of being out of touch with reality.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 21 2023 5:58 utc | 202

@Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 22:50 utc | 134

This Trump as an anti-war President mythology is just that – a convenient fairy tale, or perhaps better put a fairy tale borne of convenience.

Good summary. The re-election was stolen from Trump, but he is no peaceful alternative. I am convinced that no real alternative to the current US hegemonic policies exists within the system. A regime change is required.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 21 2023 6:10 utc | 203

@HERMIUS | Apr 20 2023 23:25 utc | 145

There aint gonna be an offensive.

At best a Twitter offensive. I have never known a counter offensive so well advertised in advance as this one. But these people are crazy and desperate, so you never know what will happen. For sure, Zelensky needs to keep the idea of an offensive alive, or else he is toast.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 21 2023 6:22 utc | 204

I have largely refrained from commenting on Ukraine threads. I still can’t believe that anyone seriously believed that Ukraine, backed by half-assed NATO’s half-baked “assistance”, could triumph over the country which wiped the floor with the Nazi killing machine in WWII.
Has anyone totted up how many NATO members/allies are NOT pro-“Israel?”
Yesterday, after an update on WA’s solar eclipse, abc.net.au switched its coverage to Amnesty International’s anger over Saudi Arabia’s sponsorship of a golf match in South Australia due to Saudi’s “apalling Human Rights record.” I couldn’t help wondering what AI thinks about “Israel’s” HR record and why they’d rather talk about Saudi Arabia than “Israel?” (Nudge nudge, wink wink)

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 21 2023 7:12 utc | 205

The 66-year-old has now been demoted to a backroom role in Moscow leading military sports and patriotic training.
Posted by: Ново З | Apr 20 2023 23:58 utc | 153
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This sounds similar to Western media falsehoods about Surovikin being “demoted” in January when operational command was centralized under Gerasimov. His superior officer and the top ranking Russian military General. They really try so hard to characterize some Russian leadership chaos where none exists in reality.
The last sentence of the post you provided that I’ve inserted above might offer some insight into the development. The guy is 66 years old. Maybe Putin and the General Staff anticipate increased operational activity for the Russian Pacific Fleet given the American provocation of China around Taiwan and wanted a younger, more agile and energetic Naval Chief to meet that challenge? I don’t think there’s anyone in the United States military that is 66 years of age. Even the General Officers have to retire after their 64th birthday or 40 years of service unless the SecDef or POTUS specifically extend them to 66 or 68.
But, this … cough cough analysis … is the kind of rubbish we’ve come to expect from Western “journalists”. The early “Putin the dictator” slur was probably a giveaway of some sort as to the author’s objectivity. Just gotta shake your head at the Western perfidy around this whole affair. Not an honest player in the mob.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 21 2023 7:18 utc | 206

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 21 2023 7:18 utc | 205
Strange really. I should think after 11 years in command of the Pacific Fleet retirement beckoned. He probably stayed on for the Manoeuvres and handed over to someone who will be working much closer with the PLA Navy
Nothing unusual here. We never hear about US rotations and in UK no-one has any idea who is doing anything in the military. Media are better informed about Russian Military rotations than British or German or US

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 21 2023 8:58 utc | 207

@ Karlof
Thank you so much for all you post to show us the bigger picture.This is a civilizational war and the planet is heaving…
I do admit that the Kennedy is disappointing, but after all he is conditioned and really not that important in the bigger picture. The rest of the world is over 80% and it is moving away.
For the barflies:
Interview with Putin with Oliver Stone, very interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHvwzsQJbds

Posted by: stranger | Apr 21 2023 9:51 utc | 208

I don’t see either side launching a major offensive in the near future. Certainly not before the fields dry out at the end of May or mid-June. Ukraine’s ability to try and recapture Kherson Oblast and cut Russian’s land connection to Crimea is doubtful. No air cover for the tanks, if they can accumulate enough tanks. The Russian forces are now dug in securely and the 350,000 reserves called up are enough to block any Ukrainian offensive.
On the flip side, those 350,000 are not enough to support a major push to the Dnieper and Ukraine still has a lot of Soviet era and NATO air defence missiles that are preventing the Russian Air Force from overflying Ukraine or supporting a Russian offensive. No Operation Bagration in the near future.
It would seem the Russian leadership has decided to purposely make the war “boring” to the Western media. No big headlines mean the NATO countries lose interest as local issues dominate the headlines and the talking TV heads blather on about domestic matters. The USA in particular is notorious for its short attention span. A few buildings changing hands in Bakhmut or Soledar (wherever THEY are) can’t compete with the latest high school or supermarket shootout on the 6 O’clock TV “News”. Meanwhile Uncle Sam wants to get on with the attack on China before the Chinese navy and air force become too strong, and this Ukraine thingy is getting in the way of Obomber’s “Pivot to Asia”.
Not to mention all that Chinese and Russian diplomacy throwing a wrench into CENTCOM, AFRICOM, and the OAS. Peace is breaking out all over to the horror of the US MIC. There is a lineup to join BRICS and the SCO, both of which are feeding into de-dollarization of trade. That is America’s biggest fear – losing the ability to print “Monopoly Money” and receive real goods in exchange so third world countries can buy US dollar denominated oil and gas.
So my guess is Russia will keep the war on the back burner, slowly defeating Ukraine house by house and village by village while pushing their diplomacy, MIR replacement for SWIFT, and restructuring their pipelines from west to east. Power of Siberia II. Japan decided to stay in the Sakhalin II oil and gas project. They and South Korea need Siberia’s resources, and will be willing to buy them in Roubles if need be. Cars and washing machines to Russia; Oil, Gas, Coal, Forest products, and minerals to South Korea and Japan. It’s hard to resist a Win/Win solution when the option is to shoot yourself in the fool as the EU has done. East Asian countries can see how well that worked out for Germany and France.

Posted by: Saturna | Apr 21 2023 9:52 utc | 209

Was the big bang in Belgorod, as reported in Western propaganda sheets like the former Guardian, actually a Russian missile/bomb gone astray or malfunctioned?
(The Guardian’s coverage is pretty disgusting – inter alia they reported on the attacks on the Lavra as “Ukrainians can celebrate Easter without Moscow’s church”.)

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Apr 21 2023 10:25 utc | 210

Sam F. please understand that your on the spot comment is perfect for case of US, Europe.
The small states of global south without weaponry ambitions would as well fit into. It ‘d be impossible to my view convincing bigger places like India, Brazil, perhaps Nigeria who dont have a true MIC but feel both vulnerable and insatisfied with the precarious defense they re getting by.

Posted by: augusto | Apr 21 2023 10:40 utc | 211

The Black Sea is not the North Atlantic.
Opening up an Atlas from time to time would save us all a lot of money and bloodshed..

Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 21 2023 11:19 utc | 212

Ново З | Apr 20 2023 23:58 utc said:

“… Putin dramatically sacks his top admiral who’s leading ongoing military drill …

Ben Ashton
Thursday 20 Apr 2023 10:59 am”

But WHO is Ben Ashton?
Why should we believe what he’s saying?
Give us THE LINK to the original text!!
And most important — are you REAL “Hobo 3”?
I don’t think so.

Posted by: LongCovid | Apr 21 2023 11:30 utc | 213

The Bakhmutovskaya meat grinder is coming to an end, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only a small part of the city and the “death” route, where every third person dies on the way “to” or “from a meat grinder.”
Now the Western press has confirmed our and colleagues’ January insiders that the United States demanded that Zelensky leave Bakhmut, but he did the opposite, throwing many, many things into the meat grinder.
We, as colleagues, insided out that Zaluzhny was against it, but keeping Bakhmut at any cost is a political decision by Ze/Yermak.
One of the reasons for the postponement of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the high losses in the Bakhmutovskaya meat grinder.
At the same time, Zelensky began a new blackmail of partners with the demand for aircraft, air defense, and missiles.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15178

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 11:54 utc | 214

Our source says that if the West publicly announces today in Ramstein that it is transferring long-range aircraft or missiles or precision bombs, new air defense to Ukraine, then this will mean raising the stakes in order to accelerate the development of events in the Ukrainian crisis.
All our sources are sure that the West does not need a protracted war, it incurs more costs than profits, so it is important for them to add fuel to the fire in order to provoke activity.
There is information that the United States is ready that tactical nuclear bombs will fly across Ukraine. On the contrary, it will help Washington in its global financial geopolitical game to maintain control over the world and dollar dominance. The sanctions case will be strengthened against the Russian Federation, as well as against China, etc.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15179

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 11:56 utc | 215

Night raids by kamikaze drones hit fuel tanks intended for the army, as well as warehouses / hangars. It is known about at least 6 hits in 3 different objects. It is known for sure that the arrivals were in the Vinnitsa, Poltava and Kyiv regions.
At the same time, the Office of the President did not publicly report this, indicating that they allegedly shot down all the kamikaze UAVs.
The purpose of silence is to keep the masses in an information vacuum by telling them everything is great.

https://t.me/legitimniy/15181

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 11:58 utc | 216

Politicians say the darndest things, even those aspiring to be politicians. RFKjr could not run on the Dem ticket without pretending to be pro-war. MSM is already condemning him as an anti-vaxxer, etc. Eugene McCarthy or George McGovern, redux? Unlikely. I am with Scorpion on elections.
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Conor Kennedy “talked his way into” the Ukrainian unit, despite a lack of military experience, which would have disqualified him, and served on a front with little action.. IOW, it was a political stunt.. Posted by: pyrrhus | Apr 20 2023 19:37 utc | 74
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I’m not saying he’s that devious, but clearly he’s not a fool and has taken on some very big corporate adversaries in the court room, I gather, and often come out on top. So he very well might be.
That said, I agree with someone else here who said that America’s ills cannot be fixed in any election. It’s way too far gone for that. That said, cultural-societal realities – being mainly mental constructs – can change rapidly depending on how they are perceived. The Republic is still technically there and could still somehow be rescued if it were vigorously claimed and held. I don’t see it happening, but alot can happen in the next 12 months or so making far more radical changes not only possible but imperative.
Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2023 19:51 utc | 81
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The act by his son isn’t the issue; it’s what RFKjr said about that act that’s THE issue.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 19:56 utc | 85

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 21 2023 11:58 utc | 217

The authorities decided to gradually clean up the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, no one is waiting for judicial review, although his decision is already clear to everyone.
Representatives of the Ministry of Culture and the police sealed another building of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, the press service of the UOC reports.
The territory of the monastery itself is allowed only with passports.
As reported, law enforcement officers came after the start of the service and closed the gate leading to the Life-Giving Temple (building No. 44).
“The parishioners who did not have time to enter remained behind the fence,” the UOC reports.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17374

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:00 utc | 218

Our source in the OP said that now there is a headquarters at which they are discussing the withdrawal of troops from Bakhmut. Syrsky reports losing control of the main life road to the city, and there are two weeks of rain ahead, making it difficult to use the fields.
The commander of the ground forces admitted that his plan with a counteroffensive near Bakhmut failed, due to the use of climate weapons by the Russian troops, two months of rain played a role against the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17382

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:02 utc | 219

Zelensky fired the head of the Center for Counteracting Disinformation due to the failure of working with Western media and politicians.
For the last two months, the enemy has been using private information companies to discredit the Ukrainian government/Ukrainian Armed Forces/politicians and has achieved significant results, and the JRC have not been able to reorganize their work and determine the directions of Russian propaganda in time.
The Office of the President is trying to change the situation and intensify the work in the cognitive war with the enemy.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17384

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:04 utc | 220

While our allies impose restrictions on Ukrainian grain, dangerous information has emerged that Russia will not renew the grain deal. As Politico writes, citing a letter from Russia to the Joint Coordinating Committee of the Black Sea Grain Initiative, the Kremlin warns that it cannot guarantee the safety of ships carrying Ukrainian exports after May 18 and that registration of ships will continue only until that date.
It also appeared to be a veiled threat that the Russian military might launch attacks on commercial vessels in the Black Sea after that date, no longer bound by the safe passage rules provided for in the agreement.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17387

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:06 utc | 221

The Pentagon did everything possible to prevent American tanks from taking part in the upcoming counteroffensive.
At the end of May, 31 Abrams tanks from the United States will go to Germany – about 250 Ukrainian soldiers will be trained on them for 10 weeks.
At a meeting of the heads of European defense departments at the Ramstein airbase in Germany, it was decided that at the end of May 31, the Abrams tank would go to the Grafenwehr training ground in Germany, where about 250 Ukrainian military personnel would train, writes Associates Press. The training will last at least 10 weeks.
These training combat vehicles will not be transferred to Ukraine, however, instead of them, as soon as they are ready, modernized M1A1 tanks will go to Kyiv in the amount of 31 units.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/17388

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:08 utc | 222

Good afternoon and evening to you all (there are no good mornings).
The news is dead silent, even my exterior sources are quiet, and even aggregator channels are now quiet.
This is usually a sign to me that something significant is taking place.
We know that Ukraine has been probing the lines at Kremmenaya front, and we’ve had reports of attacks along the line of contact in Zaporizhye front since around 18 hours ago.
What this silence means, I cannot know – but my intuition tells me that significant events are taking place in real time and the news is now quiet as it tries to parse this information before reporting.
So, best case scenario – everybody is sleeping at the same time.
Worst case – somebody finally opened the box and observed Schrodinger’s counteroffensive and so it is now taking place as I type this.
Maybe nothing is happening and there is a lull, but my gut tells me something significant is taking place at this moment – we’ll have to wait around 20-28 hours to hear reliable word.
For the doomers, relax. Nothing will come of it.
For the mirror images of Strelkov, also relax, there is no coming counter-steamroll this week.
With that said, I wish you all an easy day and night, and sign off .
I’ll be in chat until sleep finds me.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42764

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:14 utc | 223

Unconfirmed‼️ 🇷🇺🇺🇦 PMC Wagner have surrounded (encircled) the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk
 Advisor to Acting Head of the DPR Denis Pushilin Yan Gagin: Wagner PMC fighters went to the Artyomovsk-Chasov Yar road, which was used to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Several hundred meters have been taken under control, which makes it impossible to supply the AFU’s Artemovsk garrison . Thus, the lid of the cauldron, in fact, slammed shut.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42773

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:16 utc | 224

VP and VZ are both WEF PUPPETS. They’re all in on it together.

Posted by: Seth Friedman | Apr 21 2023 12:25 utc | 225

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚓️ The AFU Bridgehead on the Left Bank of the #Dnieper – is it there, and what does it mean?
🗓 Last Night (20-21 Apr 2023), reports appeared on the web that the AFU was able to establish an unhindered presence near the village of #Kindiyka, north of #Alyoshki. Among other things, the authors cited the obsolete system of reports, which is characteristic of peacetime, but not wartime, as the reason for the current situation.
🔹Is the Bridgehead itself really there?
The enemy does carry out sorties to the left bank using small boats supplied as part of US military assistance. The large length of the coastline and inability to physically control the coastal areas due to regular shelling plays in the AFU’s favour.
However, as a rule, the AFU does not go further than the #Dnieper coast due to supply problems, which in the current conditions are only possible with the help of small boats. In order to move further inland, constant replenishment of ammunition and armaments is required, which is simply not feasible at present.
In practice, the AFU have attempted to advance further 👉 earlier on – near Bolshoy Potemkin Island and the village of #Dnepryany near Novaya Kakhovka. But all of them ended in the destruction of the assault units, which were cut off from ground logistics. Therefore, the presence of positions on the left bank does not guarantee the success of the AFU in existing realities.
🔹What could be the Problem?
Nevertheless, a dangerous trend is already visible. If previously the AFU carried out sorties at night or in conditions of poor visibility, now Ukrainian detachments safely cross the #Dnieper from #Kherson during the day. This is indicated by recent footage from open sources.
Coordinates:
➖ Boat Mooring Location: 46.661271, 32.696745
➖ Russian Artillery Strike: 46.661045, 32.697896
This indicates either a lack of regular fire impact on the enemy, or demonstrative actions by the AFU aimed at deliberately drawing the attention of Russian troops to this section of the front.
🔹Bureaucratic “Red Tape” does exist in the units on the frontline even after almost 14 months of the SMO. We have repeatedly pointed out these problems, including the lack of timely firing due to the slowness of the system.
It even gets to the point that artillerymen are forced to compile a slide report on identified targets for target confirmation. While this is happening, the enemy has time to either hide or change location.
Operational destruction of enemy forces will be assisted by the increased ability of tactical commanders to request the use of artillery and aviation.
📌 At the same Time, the activity of the AFU right under the noses of the Russian fighters may not be accidental. the Ukrainian commanders understand very well that advancing in a small group through a shelled area makes no sense in terms of logic.
In this particular case, the actions of the AFU are more like bait and create the appearance of problems for the RF Armed Forces in the #Kherson region in order to divert attention from the 👉 direction of the main strike. While we focus attention on the AFU group at #Kindiyka, somewhere a real attack is being prepared. For example, on the #Kinburn Peninsula.
Similar things happened last summer and autumn – while all attention was focused on #Kherson, Ukrainian formations also struck near #Kharkov. It is possible that the enemy is now demonstratively concentrating forces where there 👉 will be either a constraining strike or none at all.

https://t.me/sitreports/7503

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:38 utc | 226

Head of Wagner PMC Prigozhin on the situation in Bakhmut
“It is too early to talk about the formation of a boiler for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut, as before they are in the so-called “operational encirclement”, when the roads are shot through. But there is no boiler. So there are tough fights. And those who speak their tongues ahead – they only create problems for us. ”

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/56438

Posted by: Down South | Apr 21 2023 12:42 utc | 227

At the Fuhrer’s birthday, Denmark und Netherlands announced to supply 14 additional Leopards to Ukraine: https://southfront.org/denmark-netherlands-to-supply-14-additional-leopard-2a4-tanks-to-ukraine/

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 21 2023 13:09 utc | 228


karlof1 has introduced some information on RFK Jr. that troubles me greatly. WTF is wrong with Americans.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 19:21 utc | 69

I don’t understand how one can be disappointed in a bourgeois politician. They are scum, by definition.

Posted by: Lengai | Apr 21 2023 13:15 utc | 229

After its defeat Ukraine will have to settle up with the US. Peonage is what that will amount to. An established peonage, as its workforce will need at least two generations to recover. If that.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 21 2023 13:32 utc | 230

Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 21 2023 7:12 utc | 204
Where has Australia gone? A neanderthal cop knocks on my door. I was just snout asleep. had laid down for a sleep. I open the door and nobody there. I have a look outside and the trooper is standing at the bottom of the steps that lead up from the side. He’s loaded up like a Chechen in combat. Shit hanging off him everywhere. But he did not have the honour of a Chechen. Arms covered in tats and dumb. So many Australian cops today are the sort of mindset that feels the need for tats.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2023 13:34 utc | 231

Today —
“NATO is considering supplying Ukraine with more fighter jets on top of the Soviet-designed warplanes already provided by some member states, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has revealed.”
The US plan is a long, militarily hot war.
It could well be this war can be fought by the US factions well after the destruction of the Ukrainian armed forces and a NATO air war begins.
Either bring the Ukrainian junta down or fight in the European airspace until doomsday or defeat.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Apr 21 2023 13:54 utc | 232

since nothing has changed about the strategic status quo for both sides, there is no military justification to end the war – or it should not have been started in the first place.
More military presence at RU borders will prolongue the war.
Unless UKR government folds. Or the WH folds or the EU folds.
Right now WH is most likely of any party.
But that´s mere projection.
I had hoped for effect of Chinese intervention but that probably came too late with about a year.

Posted by: AG | Apr 21 2023 13:57 utc | 233

@ T.D. – 3
I think that you’ll find that liberalism is a fascist in a cardigan.

Posted by: Squeeth | Apr 21 2023 14:16 utc | 234

Is the Mirror.uk a legit news source in UK?? IN USA they sure treat it as legit. LoL
US media apps linked to a cool Mirror story about Putin having a nervous breakdown.
Apparently Putins Cancer medicine was switched recently which triggered a nervous breakdown. He was found naked in his bedroom wearing only a t shirt and a black sock on his left foot (LoL)
He was crying uncontrollably and had ripped his diaper off and diaper bits were all around him.
I am pretty sure many americans read this as a legit news source.
At least CNN and NBC didnt oick this story up LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Apr 21 2023 14:16 utc | 235

In any case, there was really nothing left to destroy in terms of low hanging fruit. Obama and Bush had already destroyed most of those countries. Iran isn’t such a fruit, but the plans were in place, I’m sure. This Trump as an anti-war President mythology is just that – a convenient fairy tale, or perhaps better put a fairy tale borne of convenience.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 22:50 utc | 134
Thank you for that, Tom Q C! I’m 100% in agreement, I have to laugh at anyone dumb (or racist) enough to think that Herr Drumpf had any interest in helping anyone but his own Crime family! Just because he called out the “Bush Crime family”, fair enough, doesn’t mean he doesn’t play the game like the rest of his pals in the 0.1%. There’s the famous pic of him, Rapist Bill Clinton & Stop’ n Frisker Mikey Bloomberg playing golf together back in the day. As Mr. Carlin noted, they are all in the same club & we ain’t & never will be. IF there is any solution (there doesn’t seem to be, it just seems to be all falling apart for the “West” & their EUro & Australian etc. lackeys at this time) it certainly will NOT come thru the political system, even any slightly more credible (than Trump) “alternatives” like Marianne Williamson or RFK Jr. Like the late Bill Hicks joked long ago, clearly before any new Prez is inaugurated the Powers that Be (& Dictate) show them a film clip of the JFK assassination taken from the grassy knoll, just to remind them who’s in charge. (They may not have even bothered in Trump’s case, since he was so clearly of the Oligarch class that they knew all the faux “populism” and anti-MIC posturing was pure blather to outshine HRC and bilk the rubes into electing him.)

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | Apr 21 2023 14:36 utc | 236

@ Posted by: T.D. | Apr 20 2023 16:08 utc | 3
Russia can’t be expected to defeat NATO and unwind the entire corrupt system of western corporate kleptocracy overnight.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Apr 21 2023 14:42 utc | 237

@ Elmagnostic | Apr 21 2023 13:54 utc | 231
“NATO is considering supplying Ukraine with more fighter jets on top of the Soviet-designed warplanes already provided by some member states, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has revealed.”
The US plan is a long, militarily hot war.

US has no plan.
It has a double-down reflex coming out of arrogance and an imaginary ueber-superiority feeling.
NATO has never been a deterrent to Russia, just an irritating obstacle should then USSR decide to invade Europe.
In old NATO cold-war plans, a major “defence” action was outlined that Fulda and Kassel would be nuked in the first 12 hours of Russian invasion. Both cities being major railway and transportation hubs. Kassel being a home to manufacturer of Leopard tanks.
Initial estimate in civilian casualties was to be around 5 million people, inflicted not by Russians, but by NATO.
So nuking themselves (Germany for that matter) was the best defence plan they had. Go figure.
So the same logic threads here, as in ‘burn the Europe, if nothing else helps’.
So NATO/US has no plan, never had one, but to push and push and poke RF.
It is the same asocial arrogance trumpeting to the press of moving to refurbished NATO facilities in Sevastopol, any day now – in 2013.
Failing that, they hired Ukraine to take Crimea back. Great plan.
Now, double-down, send even more weapons, planes, and cheer for deep strikes into RF territory. Another great plan.
Any other country would naively respond to such blatant provocations, throwing everything they have on the enemy.
We should be all glad that RF is not willing to play that game.
Otherwise, we will be watching burning cities, planes falling in a blaze, constant air raids and a pretty bad collapse of entire European society in a matter of days, not weeks.
So NATO, well, go for it if there are no better ideas.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 21 2023 14:51 utc | 238

They have a plan, it has been stated over and over– destroy Russia. Force a surrender and force compliance on everyone. Thats the plan and it’s not a joke.
Sudan is now in a full out war and America is talking about perhaps needing to rescue people by use of the port…. Syria is also in the plan. All those weapons for Ukraine are everywhere and this thing is just getting started.

Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 21 2023 15:04 utc | 239

Posted by: Marvin | Apr 20 2023 17:59 utc | 32

Exactly what is NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg’s Business with Ukraine?
Ukraine is not a NATO member and thus not entitled to any assistance or support from the – supposed – defense alliance NATO. No NATO countries have been attacked – except by Ukraine.
While it is perfectly legitimate for NATO member States to support Ukraine in whatever form they chose, there no legitimate reason for NATO to get involved. Or even lend it’s assistance.

Exactly. Nobody in the West ever asks the basic questions, like: When did Ukraine become our best bud and de facto ally? When did Russia became our enemy? Are there any formal statements or agreements declaring Ukraine’s and Russia’s status as such? What was the US doing in Ukraine, supporting the overthrow of an elected government? How does such antidemocratic interference in the workings of another nation square with the ‘rules-based order’ the West invokes?
Also: Do the people who live in the Donbass want to be governed by Ukraine? Is a government that shells its own citizens legitimate, or have any claim to the regions it is shelling?
As for Ukraine becoming part of NATO, and Article 5 – meaningless. If NATO believed it could jump headfirst into this conflict and defeat the Russian army, it would have done so already. The more sane military minds in the West know what the Russian military is capable of, and want no part of it. The West is willing to let Ukraine sacrifice a generation of men to do their dirty work. Here’s a back of the envelope, very rough, calculation: Suppose Ukraine has lost 200K KIA (probably more) in a country about 1/10 the population of the US. That’s the equivalent of the US losing 2M people in the prime of life in a war. No western country will contemplate losses anywhere near that magnitude, not even Poland. Only Ukraine, infected with a fanatical ideology, is willing to go there, and the US and NATO happy to let the batshit crazy Ukros throw themselves into the slaughter in the hopes that Ukrainian bodies will stop the Russians. Their thinking- ‘what have we got to lose?’

Posted by: Mike R | Apr 21 2023 15:06 utc | 240

@Steven | Apr 21 2023 1:53 utc | 176

There is a Nobel Peace prize waiting for anyone who can figure out a negotiated settlement to this war
Good luck

Good luck indeed. The Nobel Committee is populated by former Norwegian parliamentarians of the Stoltenberg type.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 21 2023 15:14 utc | 241

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2023 13:34 utc | 230
(Neanderthal Oz cops)

Oz has switched over to the Darth Side. Not sure why, but I suspect COVID didn’t help. I was stopped by two cops in an unmarked car in May 2021 while out checking petrol prices. The cop angrily and falsely accused me of entering a roundabout too late causing them to brake – hard. It was bullshit. I’ve never driven out in front of a car close enough to crash into me because there’s no guarantee that a random driver isn’t texting or otherwise distracted.
Anyhow he insinuated that I was blind or incompetent and said he would put me in for a Medical Review to decide if I should keep my license. He was wearing a body cam which he alerted me to before accusing me. When he went back to his car and co-driver to check something I was thinking ‘body cam’ > ‘dash cam?’
I hopped out of the car and asked if they have a dash cam? He came back to my car and said “No. Do you? I told him I didn’t. So my license was put up for review and I was issued with an infringement notice for ~$200.
In the papers which came with the summons it said the cops were on a routine TAC patrol = Revenue Raising after some COVID lockdowns. So TAC was probably experiencing a “budget shortfall.”
The moral of the story is that 2 cops + a Holy Bible are better evidence of a visible offence than a dash cam. In Brave New Oz…

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 21 2023 15:19 utc | 242

@ Comandante | Apr 21 2023 14:16 utc | 234
Is the Mirror.uk a legit news source in UK?
Mirror is one of the lowest tabloids in the cesspool of British yellow press, trumpeting messages directly to hypnotised vast British uneducated masses caring about the Royals, soccer and who did something nasty to whom within the celebrities circle.
It hasn’t been always like that, and it had deteriorated over the time in 90s and went miserably low during Pierce Morgan’s editorialship insulting the whole world left and right under his guidance for years.
It is just another hate machine nowadays.
Next worst in line is The Sun.
It is even lower than Mirror and closest to imagine it is like Fox News on acid run by drunk Sara Palin, during the height of the Trump reign. Murdoch rules there, of course.
To me, it seems that since the Snowden affair there is not one British press outlet being left independent and all of those have been infiltrated by MI5 and MI6, CIA, NSA, you name it.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 21 2023 15:23 utc | 243

@Elmagnostic | Apr 21 2023 13:54 utc | 231

“NATO is considering supplying Ukraine with more fighter jets on top of the Soviet-designed warplanes already provided by some member states, Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has revealed.”

Secretary General Stoltenberg isn’t considering anything, he is 99.99% Secretary and is just taking (rules based) orders.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 21 2023 15:26 utc | 244

Russia’s MFA has issued a statement about Ukraine in lieu of Zakharova’s Weekly Briefing, which isn’t happening this week. On the grain issue, Lavrov provided an explanation at his presser in Cuba, which I’ll provide after the Ukraine update:

April 19 marked the 240th anniversary of the adoption of Crimea into the Russian Empire. The highest manifesto of Catherine II on this occasion spoke of “a happy transformation from rebellion and disorder into peace, silence and legal order.” The words of the Empress are still relevant today. The conscious choice made by the Crimeans in March 2014 in favor of reunification with their historical homeland is nothing more than a return to the origins – the Russian status of the peninsula, which was proclaimed in 1783. Any attempts by Kiev and its Western masters to challenge this status are doomed to failure, Crimea was, is and will be an integral part of Russia.
The United States and its NATO allies do not stop pumping weapons into the Kyiv regime, insisting on continuing hostilities and demonstrating the effectiveness of Western military assistance “on the battlefield”. The Anglo-Saxons are openly talking about the upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive. They even call the timing of its start. All this confirms their direct involvement in the conflict and participation in the planning of military operations.
At the same time, Zelensky’s military appetites are growing. He does not get tired of demanding new and modern types of weapons from the West, incl. for striking deep into the territory of Russia. Today, at the next meeting of the contact group on Ukraine in the Ramstein format, Kiev intends to request urgent deliveries of air defense systems and long-range missiles.
However, it is becoming increasingly difficult for the United States and Europe to satisfy Kiev’s requests. A lot of publications appeared in the Western media about the depletion of NATO weapons stocks in key European states. So, the lack of military equipment, uniforms and ammunition in the German army complained to the Bundestag. The British press reported that the British government has already begun to promise Kyiv weapons from its stocks “for a rainy day”. But the West is not going to stop deliveries yet. They understand that the refusal to help Ukraine, as German Defence Minister Benjamin Pistorius put it the other day, could lead to its immediate end.
Recently, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba actually presented an ultimatum to NATO, demanding that its leadership “take a step towards membership” of Ukraine in the alliance at the July summit in Vilnius. According to him, it is no longer enough for Kiev to confirm “for the 130th time” the open door policy and deepen cooperation without clear guarantees of the country’s accession to the bloc. And Ukraine’s ambassador to London, V. Prystaiko, believes that NATO should “beg” his country to join a military alliance. Apparently, the unconditional support of the West has corrupted the already arrogant and unprincipled Zelensky regime so much that it is losing its sense of reality before our eyes and will soon completely believe in its own exclusivity.
Meanwhile, Ukraine’s economy continues to degrade, sinking deeper into debt. In 2022, its external debt rose to a record $132 billion. or 89% of GDP. According to forecasts, at the end of 2023 it will exceed 100% and may reach $173 billion.
At the same time, the Zelensky regime continues to live in debt: military spending, the social sphere, medicine, education and other vital areas are sponsored by the West. Of course, not free of charge. Most of the financial aid comes in the form of repayable loans, while the proportion of grants is small. And although Ukraine has been granted a deferral of external debt payments until 2027, no one is going to forgive it to Kiev. The country’s draft budget for 2023 provides for a doubling of the number of payments for servicing external debt. The main burden of its repayment, of course, will fall on the shoulders of Ukrainian inhabitants, since there is nowhere else to get money in Ukraine. In such a situation, the Kiev authorities cynically see their only salvation in the continuation of hostilities.
The situation in the financial and economic sector of the country is aggravated by corruption scandals in the Ministry of Defense and the theft of humanitarian supplies supplied to Ukraine. As a result, according to US Agency for International Development (USAID) Stephen Power, the West began to doubt the ability of the Kiev regime to control the spending of financial aid. Washington sees the solution to the problem in increasing the transparency of the Ukrainian budget, for which they intend to check all its spending.
The Zelensky regime received another blow from its closest Eastern European “friends” – Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Bulgaria, who, due to the protests of their own farmers and falling domestic prices, temporarily stopped the export of Ukrainian grain and are going to include other agricultural products in the “black list”. Romania intends to follow their example. According to Polish Radio, the European Commission is almost ready to impose a ban on Ukrainian imports of wheat, corn and oilseeds.
It seems that the system of export of agricultural products from Ukraine by “corridors of solidarity” is cracking in the EU. The Western media note that the unconditional support of Kyiv by the states of Eastern Europe is becoming obsolete, and this threatens the Zelensky regime with tangible financial losses.
On April 15, Zelensky issued a decree imposing sanctions on a number of Russian IT companies, their management and foreign partners in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Cyprus and Ukraine. In addition, over the next 50 years, restrictive measures will be imposed against President of the Russian Triathlon Federation Konstantin Shoigu, Minister of Sports and Tourism of the Republic of Belarus Sergey Kovalchuk, as well as 80 domestic athletes and representatives of sports organizations. Among them are I. Averbukh, I. Akinfeev, D. Bilyaletdinov, N. Katsalapov, S. Ovchinnikov, E. Tuktamysheva, S. Khorkina. In total, 692 individuals and legal entities were blacklisted.
The decision taken on April 18 by the Ministry of Youth and Sports of Ukraine to deprive Ukrainian sports federations of national status for the participation of their athletes in competitions together with Russian and Belarusian athletes is fully consistent with Nazi logic. Obviously, such a ban will only harm Ukrainian sports and deprive its representatives of the opportunity to show high sports results.
We have taken note of yet another batch of extremist statements by some Ukrainian officials.
Advisor to the head of the President’s Office M.Podolyak distinguished himself again. Speaking about the situation around the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, he openly stated that today the Kiev regime has a unique chance to quickly and painlessly physically “clean up” a large number of pro-Russian people. M. Podolyak promised to punish the residents of Crimea and Donbass for their desire to link their future with Russia.
He is echoed by the mayor of Dnipropetrovsk, renamed Dnipro, B. Filatov, who says that Ukraine does not forgive insults.
Such rhetoric and criminal actions of the Kyiv regime confirm the need to continue the special military operation until the tasks of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine are fully completed, and the elimination of threats to Russia’s security emanating from its territory.

Lavrov’s Grain Q&A:

Question: A number of European countries (Romania, Poland, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Hungary) have announced a ban on the import of Ukrainian grain. Their number is expanding. Now they are talking about a ban on the import of other agricultural products from Ukraine. Although these are direct, “ideological” partners of Kiev. What do these decisions say?
What happens to the grain “deal”? What are its prospects? Is it possible to increase Russian grain supplies to Latin America?
Sergey Lavrov: What is happening confirms our well-known principled assessments. Unlike the announced initiatives of UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres on the need to help the poorest countries, the grain “deal” in its Ukrainian part is predominantly commercial in nature. As such, it hardly helps the countries of the Third World.
Ukrainian grain, in fact, at dumping prices and zero tariffs, invades European markets, bypassing all phytosanitary requirements. This leads to huge losses for traditional grain producers in Europe itself.
I heard that the European Commission proposes to compensate for these losses, allocates 100 million euros. It would be more honest to buy cheap Ukrainian grain at bargain prices and supply it free of charge to the poorest countries in need of food. The European Union, as well as the Americans, are not interested in this. They are interested in further commercialization of grain exports from Ukraine, including within the framework of the Black Sea initiative.
The lion’s share of the supply of grain and other agricultural products across the Black Sea from Ukrainian ports was sent not to the poorest countries, but to Western countries or to fairly wealthy countries on other continents.
Taking into account that UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres’ initiative concerned poor countries, we began to insist on ships leaving Ukrainian ports to provide information on where they are carrying the relevant cargo within the framework of the mechanisms provided for by the Black Sea Initiative. The goal is absolutely clear – to make ships bound for poor developing countries, primarily Africa, a priority on the list for passage through the straits.
The Ukrainian members of the inspection team in Istanbul tried to prevent the provision of such information. All this does not add optimism as to what the true goal of those who so actively defended the conclusion of this deal within the framework of the “Black Sea initiative” is.
As for the second integral part of UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres’ initiative, namely the removal of any obstacles to the export of Russian fertilizers and grain, almost nothing has been done.
We are finding opportunities (and quite actively) to direct our products and fertilizers to world markets. But all this is being done not within the framework of, but contrary to the initiative of the Secretary-General. To all our reminders and requests, we are told that the UN members are trying, doing their best and will continue to try. But soon, one of these days, it will be nine months since the initiative has been in effect, and they are still “trying”. This is somehow not very clear.
We meet the needs of our Latin American colleagues in grain and other types of food. I haven’t heard any complaints from anyone. We are negotiating a special loan with our Cuban friends for an additional supply of wheat.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 21 2023 15:39 utc | 245

If NATO could have used F16s a year ago establishing a no fly zone, they would have done it. They know they can’t but the announcements make good propaganda and bolsters morale.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 21 2023 15:39 utc | 246

Apr 21 2023 15:26 utc | 243
poland has f-16 received in 2008. not sure how they are flying.
and they want the under powered hog, with a 16000 pound gas tank, f-35 which are unapproved! due to not flying long enough to pass the pentagon independent test group.
the amount of logistics required for f-16 would impact the rest of usaf’s f-16 fleet.
nato and usa are logistically challenged.

Posted by: paddy | Apr 21 2023 15:39 utc | 247

Deputy Governor of the National Bank of Ukraine tells US Chamber of Commerce rep that Ukraine is ready to “Build Back Better” to create a business environment that is “friendly to private investment”
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1647826305595965441
Stoltenberg: Ukraine will join NATO immediately after the onset of the counteroffensive.
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1649397792526172162
US corporations slicing up Ukraine and Stoltenberg promising them to join after the “counter offensive begins”. Well, if they join does it mean London will get blown up first?

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2023 15:51 utc | 248

US media apps linked to a cool Mirror story about Putin having a nervous breakdown.
Apparently Putins Cancer medicine was switched recently which triggered a nervous breakdown. He was found naked in his bedroom wearing only a t shirt and a black sock on his left foot (LoL)
He was crying uncontrollably and had ripped his diaper off and diaper bits were all around him.

Reminds me of an incident that Hermann Rauschning described in his book ‘Hitler speaks’: https://abload.de/img/rauschning_quoteuzch6.png

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 21 2023 15:51 utc | 249

Posted by: Mike R | Apr 21 2023 15:06 utc | 239
As far as I can tell, Russia became the enemy in 2013 when they stopped us from achieving regime change in Syria by getting Assad to hand over his chemical weapons. John Kerry announced that that would stop us from fully attacking, and the Russians pounced on that. This was violation of the Wolfowitz doctrine, as far as I can tell, as Russia prevented us from achieving a long standing neocon foreign policy goal.

Posted by: Caveman | Apr 21 2023 15:52 utc | 250

The German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius (SPD) has said it was natural that Ukraine would attack in Russian territory, for example to cut off supply routes. “That is the most normal thing in the world. As long as no cities, no civilians, no civilian areas are attacked, one will of necessity have to accept that,” the defense minister continued. “Not gladly, but it is part of it – to cut off supply routes, for example.”
Mister Pistorius, please reconsider your words. The factory of Leopard tanks is in Munich, Germany. How would your reaction be to Russia cutting off Ukrainian supply routes?

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 21 2023 15:56 utc | 251

It seems that the strange language civil servants use are the same worldwide. My highlight.
“Russian Ministry of Defense: “On April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal descent of aviation ammunition occurred. As a result, there is damage to residential buildings, there are no casualties. An investigation is underway.”

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 21 2023 16:00 utc | 252

Exactly. Nobody in the West ever asks the basic questions, like: When did Ukraine become our best bud and de facto ally? When did Russia became our enemy? Are there any formal statements or agreements declaring Ukraine’s and Russia’s status as such? What was the US doing in Ukraine, supporting the overthrow of an elected government? How does such antidemocratic interference in the workings of another nation square with the ‘rules-based order’ the West invokes?
Posted by: Mike R | Apr 21 2023 15:06 utc | 239
My guess is Ukraine will at some point be forgotten – the same way Covid dominated the headlines for almost 2 years and was simply dumped very quickly. Ukraine will be similarly dumped in a blink of an eye, after every benefit for the hegemony was squeezed.

Posted by: unimperator | Apr 21 2023 16:02 utc | 253

@unimperator
“Stoltenberg: Ukraine will join NATO immediately after the onset of the counteroffensive.”
That’s fake news.

Posted by: Apollyon | Apr 21 2023 16:09 utc | 254

Passerby | Apr 21 2023 15:56 utc | 250
Or better still Medvedev is at it again
“The German Defence Minister without giving it too much thought, blurted out something about military operations on our territory. He surely envies the glories of the third Reich warlords.
Well he actually needs to remember a historical omen.
The German who wishes to attack Russia must be ready for our parade in Berlin.”

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 21 2023 16:10 utc | 255

@ Passerby | Apr 21 2023 15:56 utc | 250
The factory of Leopard tanks is in Munich, Germany. How would your reaction be to Russia cutting off Ukrainian supply routes?
Leopard is made in Kassel, not Muenchen, and its manufacturer is Krauss-Maffei Wegmann.
New German politicians are really the third class in comparison to the 90s posse and Merkel years.
A very good argument – cutting off Ukrainian supply routes everywhere where no civilians and a single usage civilian infrastructure is destroyed might be a viable option, and everybody should agree with the necessity to do that.
RF is at the moment just too polite.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 21 2023 16:20 utc | 256

Russian authorities considering deploying medium-range and longer-range ballistic missiles on the western border as tensions ramp up a notch.
A member of the military added.
“The Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF Treaty), all restrictions were lifted, after which a logical question arose: “How far have we lagged behind other owners of these weapons over the 30 years of participation in the treaty and what needs to be done to eliminate the existing imbalance.”
https://ria.ru/20230421/rakety-1866969192.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2023 16:26 utc | 257

“The German who wishes to attack Russia must be ready for our parade in Berlin.”
Looks like Medvedev hasn’t received the Memo that Russia is about to collapse:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/17/the-west-is-preparing-for-russias-disintegration/
Clearly, it will be Ukrainians, not Russians parading and it will be in Moscow.

Posted by: aquileia | Apr 21 2023 16:30 utc | 258

Acco Hengst | Apr 20 2023 19:07 utc | 63

Today, I polished a silver icon (Madonna and child) I brought back from Greece some years ago. It definitely inspired the proper feelings.

Which ?
You need more silver ?
You need to pray ?
You need to polish a bishop ?
You love children, but couldn’t eat a whole one ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 21 2023 16:41 utc | 259

Pistorius blows some fog into the fog of war while showing the limitations of such ideas projects. The consequences of a Russian reaction in terms of a well known Russian pedagogy in such a case, which everyone is aware of or might at least have an idea about, remain unmentioned.
Pistorius also opens up some space to fantasy because it was him who closed space to the fantasy of Ukraine joining NATO, as promoted by Stoltenberg anapher in “future”. According to Pistorius, this future can only be clarified by the actors with a cool head on the basis of initial conditions and a basis for decision-making after the end of the war.
How likely is Ukraine to join NATO at the end of the war, which Russia is not supposed to lose? How enthusiastic will Ukrainians be about this idea once again when we hear the voice of an exhausted Ukrainian “civil society” again? She has been mute for a long time, and the government in Kiev has the powers of a dictatorship under martial law creating special restriction against people with a different view.
Stoltenberg:

“Now the main thing is that Ukraine wins. Because if Ukraine doesn’t assert itself as a sovereign, independent nation in Europe, then there’s no point in discussing membership.”

Stoltenberg calls for a qualifying competition. Currently, Ukraine isn’t even an independent, sovereign nation at all, that’s kinda mean of him. Selenksy cannot negotiate because it would be his political death, said one of his young national ministers recently. At the same time, Selensky might also faces political death if the military campaign fails.
That’s life as a proxy, it really sucks.

Posted by: Konrad | Apr 21 2023 16:52 utc | 260

Posted by: aquileia | Apr 21 2023 16:30 utc | 257

“The German who wishes to attack Russia must be ready for our parade in Berlin.”
Looks like Medvedev hasn’t received the Memo that Russia is about to collapse:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/17/the-west-is-preparing-for-russias-disintegration/
Clearly, it will be Ukrainians, not Russians parading and it will be in Moscow.

Foreignpolicy.com??? Are you sure this quote didn’t come from Babylon Bee? Hilarious spoof on reality.

Posted by: MajorMike | Apr 21 2023 16:53 utc | 261

@ Caveman | Apr 21 2023 15:52 utc | 249 who wrote

As far as I can tell, Russia became the enemy in 2013 when they stopped us from achieving regime change in Syria by getting Assad to hand over his chemical weapons.

My memory has 2017 as the tipping point when it became apparent that Russia was not going to let Syria lose militarily but the rest of what you say is valid.
Our civilization war entered a new phase then and has been building since into our current boiling pot with froth coming off the top…….I don’t see any turning the heat down.
The beatings will continue until moral improves……/s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2023 16:53 utc | 262

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2023 16:53 utc | 261
Thanks for your reply! No doubt that 2017 was the year the US definitely realized Russia was not gonna let go. Trump’s missile attack was that year, after the Douma chemical weapons attack, I believe. But definitely leading up to that there was some noise about Syria that made me think it would truly be the beginning of the end, if you will. Hillary Clinton was doing a lot of talking about a Syrian no-fly zone, completely ignoring the fact that Russia was essentially already enforcing their own no-fly zone. Didn’t seem to matter, as the thinking was the US could destroy the Russian Air Force. Also, as we definitely both know, Maidan was 2014, the first step toward destabilizing the RF in their own neighborhood. I think most planning had been done in the years (decades?) previous to 2013, but that in 2013 the US realized they had to enact those plans.

Posted by: Caveman | Apr 21 2023 17:10 utc | 263

Regarding when Russia became the enemy:
Stipulating that in one sense Russia has always been the enemy, as for criminals most of the straight population is the enemy, so we are talking about overt media enemy-ness here:
I think Trumps election forced the issue into the open, since the Democrats used Russia to attack Trump. So it all goes back to Podesta and the Clintons. So appropriate.
But going into Syria was where Putin crossed the Rubicon, yeah. I give Putin all kinds of props for seeing that he could do that, and should do that.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 21 2023 17:12 utc | 264

“”The German who wishes to attack Russia must be ready for our parade in Berlin.”
Looks like Medvedev hasn’t received the Memo that Russia is about to collapse:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/04/17/the-west-is-preparing-for-russias-disintegration/
Clearly, it will be Ukrainians, not Russians parading and it will be in Moscow.
Posted by: aquileia | Apr 21 2023 16:30 utc | 257″
LoL Foreigm Policy dot com
Why not just quote the Kyiv post and call it a friday? LoL

Posted by: Comandante | Apr 21 2023 17:13 utc | 265

So the war must be fought out to the bitter end, winner take all. It seems that the larger concept of “all” can’t be won by either side, so this will be ugly.
We know what Russia wanted. It said so in December 2021. That seems to have grown as the war was forced on Russia. (Yes, it was forced on Russia, deliberately so, yet another American war of choice.) So, what does Russia want now?
Still to prevent NATO expansion into Ukraine. That will now require Russia control all of Ukraine. It is likely to get that.
But more still, to limit NATO elsewhere on its border, in Poland, the Baltic States, and now Finland? A flood of refugees who are not allowed to return and threat to continue the military advance might do that. Or that might be what Russia can’t win.
What does NATO want? What it wanted at the start was regime change in Russia. It still would like that, but that was to be an economic attack that has failed miserably. Along the way, the attempt cost the destruction and loss of Ukraine, but to the West that really does not matter — it never cared about Ukraine anyway.
So what does NATO want now? Probably to remain as tightly wedged into the Russian border as it can get, preparatory to resuming its original behavior. It has likely lost Ukraine, totally and finally, but it might make that up elsewhere, with intense hostility of Poland, Baltics, etc.
Overall, that means we will be set up for another, larger war. Also a war of choice intiated by NATO, but blamed on Russia in the Western press. Next up, Poland and the Baltics will reprise what was done with Ukraine.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Apr 21 2023 17:29 utc | 266

Caveman 249
psychohistorian 261
IMHO, Russia “became the enemy” following the short August war vs Georgia in 2008. And just to remind barflies, that was when Dmitri Medvedev was Russian President. Personalising the conflict by vilifying the current President and identifying “all that is wrong” with VV Putin is just a propaganda technique common in the west.
I suppose this is all arbitrary hair-splitting to some degree. Russia has “always” been the enemy; there have just been lulls in the fighting. It has, however, taken a long time for Russians to realise this.

Posted by: N Hanrahan | Apr 21 2023 18:09 utc | 267

Milites | Apr 20 2023 21:48 utc | 118

There’s a reason my name is Milites.

You are legion ?
You don’t know milites is plural ?

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 21 2023 18:10 utc | 268

Milites | Apr 20 2023 22:13 utc | 125

Is that the COVID that probably came from one of their labs. An opinion, however much it was labelled by the empire as ‘wrongthink’ many epidemiologists originally suspected.

(Among many other examples)

Visceribus miserorum et sanguine vescitur atro !
Demens !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 21 2023 18:26 utc | 269

Posted by: N Hanrahan | Apr 21 2023 18:09 utc | 267
I don’t disagree that Russia has always been the enemy. There was an invasion after WWI to try and get rid of the Bolsheviks, then after WWII, Truman’s fear that without military spending and industry the depression would return, so the need for an enemy. I think I should have said that they really became a problem to be addressed in 2013. Between the fall of the Soviet Union and their stepping into Syria, I think they were just considered an annoyance deserving of a contingency plan. That 2008 war might have driven home the need for that contingency plan.

Posted by: Caveman | Apr 21 2023 18:39 utc | 270

@aquileia | Apr 21 2023 16:30 utc | 258
Interesting question: Who is more demented, you believing in that crap from FP, or the idiot neocons spreading such stuff showing the Russians that they have nowhere to go other than fighting til victory? Funny that even criminal assholes like Khodorkovsky do not like the “decolonization” propaganda. He is a thief, a murderer, and a traitor, but he is not that dumb like pieces of shit of the Bolton sort.

Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 21 2023 19:13 utc | 271

@Blabbycat | Apr 21 2023 4:29 utc | 196
Blah, blah, blah, brutal Russian invasion, blah, blah, blah.
Knowing full well that Russia is not going to play along with this bullshit,he glibly enunciates, “We will offer to withdraw our troops and nuclear-capable missiles from Russia’s borders. Russia will withdraw its troops from Ukraine and guarantee its freedom and independence” while planning to escalate. If that is not what he’s agreed to he knows he will never take office, No matter how much mafia, alcohol and money from shorting the market with inside information he brings to the table.

Posted by: Hermit | Apr 21 2023 20:58 utc | 272

Its been obvious for over a decade that this war; ww3 was inevitable . It was obvious to me the minsk 1/2 were just to gain time. So if it was obvious to little old me yoi can be sure that Russia figured that out a long tine ago…..
Now is the time and it will be carried on untill NATo is finished . This might not be spoken aloud, but its obvious . Will there be abetter time?!? If its inevitable; strike first , keep the enemy on the back foot and confused.
Can NAZO win? Unless they have some awesome trick up their sleeve … no . But give them 5-10 yrs ….. no no thats not going to happen IMO the treaty documents will be signed by the A/A aka NATO . Or we all die .
Nato is scared because if they were prepared for this, they were not, then this piecemeal thing is pathetic and ineffective .
Sooner the better this is sorted , but ….. the longer Rissia can drag it out the better .

Posted by: WRFB | Apr 21 2023 22:03 utc | 273

>>>How is Russia going to keep Ukraine out of NATO if she doesn’t target decision making centers in Ukraine? Because she’s not ever going to occupy all of Ukraine. She’s smart enough not to want anything past the Dnieper.
Posted by: timbers | Apr 20 2023 17:07 utc | 24 <<< My happy scenario in the LONG RUN (and Putin's too) is an unconditional surrender signed by a thoroughly humiliated Zelensky where: (i) the Kiev gvt is dissolved, (ii) a new constitution including all of Russia's SMO aims is written, including new RF border of its Donbass Oblasts, forever neutrality, no nato ever, outlawing nazism, total corruption sweep. In other words, a perfect SMO wrap up, and a perfect defeat for the west to stop them ever pulling such a stunt in the future. (iii) a proper election with sensible candidates to legitimise a New Ukraine into the future. Just a few million more shells and missiles and bombs to go.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 22 2023 0:40 utc | 274

Posted by: A. Pols | Apr 20 2023 18:26 utc | 40
So true, so funny. And that is the way 90% of congress thinks. After all, congress is but a mirror of it’s people, it’s voters, it’s MSM and audiences, it’s lobbyists, it’s MIC, its stick exchange, it’s military. It’s endemic, natioval stupidity. No cure, if you ask me.

Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 22 2023 0:48 utc | 275

>>> Posted by: Mark Thomason | Apr 21 2023 17:29 utc | 266 <<< Your response is predicated on the pessimism that the NWO order and multipolarism will not subdue the US lust for military hegemony and global bullying. THAT'S HOW FAR this war must win. Imo, only RF + China + India + BRICS + EU resistence + de-dollarisation + internal US strife can do it, ie complete empire down-pegging. Might take a decade more ... but Putin says it's inevitable. This may shortcircuit your scenario ... I hope!

Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 22 2023 0:59 utc | 276

@ Caveman | Apr 21 2023 15:52 utc | 249 who wrote
“As far as I can tell, Russia became the enemy in 2013 when they stopped us from achieving regime change in Syria by getting Assad to hand over his chemical weapons”.
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For me, 2013 is also the critical year when censorship (the erasure of different worldviews by liberals who take offense and react with hostility to criticism) became commonplace to this day. The Events in Syria were the main trigger for me as well, the conflict became hotter, or rather, the West has increasingly radicalized itself when changing from a more realistic stand to an ideal view in world politics, which is the harbinger of western confrontation and aggression.
Basically, the attitude in the German discourse towards Russia has always been charged with elements of stigmatization since Putin came to power, I guess. His flirtation with Schröder, his idea and his promotion of an Eurasia, his claim to Russian sovereignty. This has probably alarmed transatlanticists.
It is perhaps also interesting that the years 2001-2005 mark a period of digital networking of journalists with academics, with politicians, with business leaders and even the military, leading to elite networks in ThinkTanks or NGO’s, which unbalanced Check & Balance in Western countries to the chagrin of an important corrective.

Posted by: Konrad | Apr 22 2023 3:26 utc | 277

A recent Russian government investigation of American biological “research activities” in Ukraine suggests that America is working on a universal bioweapon that will kill people, animals, and even planets.
This American bioweapon would have the effect of nuclear winter no less and thus give the Americans a strategic advantage over even other nuclear powers (i.e. Russia and China).
US Working on ‘Universal’ Genetically Engineered Bioweapon: Russian Parliamentary Investigation
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230412/us-working-on-universal-genetically-engineered-bioweapon-russian-parliamentary-investigation-1109381193.html
If the Americans have been working on a universal bioweapon, it raises the question as to what other bioweapons have they been researching or even deployed … like COVID 9/11.
Indeed, the Russian Ministry of Defense last year suggested the the COVID pandemic could have been created by the USA.
Russian Defense Ministry: Spread of COVID-19 Pandemic Suggests Could Have Been Created by US
https://sputnikglobe.com/20220804/russian-defense-ministry-spread-of-covid-19-pandemic-indicates-man-made-nature-us-involvement-1098115367.html
US Publisher: What if COVID Outbreak is Part of the Pentagon’s Biowarfare Plan?
https://sputnikglobe.com/20220731/us-publisher-what-if-covid-outbreak-is-part-of-the-pentagons-biowarfare-plan-1097973485.html

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 23 2023 5:57 utc | 278

@ 278 A recent Russian government investigation of American biological “research activities” in Ukraine suggests that America is working on a universal bioweapon that will kill people, animals, and even planets.
Correction: planets=plants. Although, a universal bioweapon that has the effect of nuclear winter would probably devastate at least selected parts of the planet.

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 23 2023 6:07 utc | 279