Russia And NATO Agree - The War In Ukraine Will Continue
NATO chief says Ukraine’s ‘rightful place’ is in the alliance - AP - Apr 20, 2023
KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg defiantly declared Thursday that Ukraine’s “rightful place” is in the military alliance and pledged more support for the country on his first visit to Kyiv since Russia’s invasion just over a year ago.Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged Stoltenberg, who has been instrumental in marshaling support from NATO members, to push for even more from them, including warplanes, artillery and armored equipment.
Prevention of Ukraine’s accession to NATO remains one of special op’s goals — Kremlin - Tass - Apr 20, 2023
MOSCOW, April 20. /TASS/. Prevention of Ukraine’s accession to NATO remains one of the special military operation’s goals, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters Thursday."Of course, because, otherwise, this will pose a serious, significant threat for our country’s security," the spokesman said, answering a question.
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next page »Just for humanities sake, I think President Putin should put an end to this war A.S.A.P. I don't see what can be gained by either side by pushing more buttons that might lead to a result we all dislike.
Intensely.
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Posted by: T.D. | Apr 20 2023 16:08 utc | 3
NATO leaders, like the MIC, are dependent upon war and must invent threats to survive and get promotions. We must cut NATO down to a minimal coordination unit and eliminate all power of the MIC in democracies. Without that we live under the tyranny of tribal tyrants, not in any way related to democracy.
Posted by: Sam F | Apr 20 2023 16:10 utc | 4
I suppose stalling is better than admitting your foreign policy was a failure in all respects.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 20 2023 16:11 utc | 5
Comets bring bad luck
There is much speculation about the celestial event above Kiev last night at 21:57. Ukrainians claimed that it was a NASA research satellite, evidently RHESSI, which was scheduled to enter the Earth's atmosphere on Wednesday. We now know it was not RHESSI.
NASA Retired Solar Energy Imager Spacecraft to Reenter Atmosphere - April 20, 2023NASA’s retired Reuven Ramaty High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager (RHESSI) spacecraft re-entered Earth’s atmosphere at 8:21 p.m. EST on Wednesday, April 19, almost 21 years after its launch. From 2002 to its decommissioning in 2018, RHESSI observed solar flares from its low-Earth orbit, helping scientists understand the underlying physics of how such powerful bursts of energy are created.
The Department of Defense confirmed that the 660-pound spacecraft re-entered the atmosphere over the Sahara Desert region, at approximately 26 degrees longitude and 21.3 degrees latitude. NASA expected most of the spacecraft to burn up as it traveled through the atmosphere, but for some components to survive re-entry.
I do not think the object was a satellite, but a large meteor. It caused a bolide, a flash of light brighter than the full moon. The dashcam videos are very similar to the ones of the Chelyabinsk bolide of 2013. (My playlist)
Although the event has nothing to do with the war, it may effect its outcome. In medieval times comets were seen as harbingers of catastrophes and bad luck. Maybe religious people will see the Kiev Meteor as an omen and a warning. Something perhaps related to the Bandera worshippers attack on the Orthodox Christian Church?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 6
T.D. - 3
There's no place for humanity in a world ruled by the US as the hegemonic superpower,or in a world ruled by capitalism and liberalism (liberalism in its main meaning, you know, as in "economic liberalism"). We'd be fucking doomed, mankind would be enslaved and soon-to-be-dead, it's just that it wouldn't be fully aware of it yet. Global thermonuclear war would only precipitate the outcome, but the outcome wouldn't be different without nuclear war but with the US economic elite lording it over us.
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 7
Col. Doug Macgregor maintains that Russia is prepared to fight this conflict for 30 months. There is zero indication that Washington/NATO can do the same. There will be nothing left of Ukraine if this madness continues
Posted by: Chris N | Apr 20 2023 16:15 utc | 8
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 7
Did you understand my comment in the slightest? President ,IMO, should get the SMO, over as quick as possible before the numbskulls on my side of the globe decide it's time to admit ukraine, at war or not, into nato.
That is what is coming and I see that if the kraniacs do get into nato while at war with the Russian Federation, that will be all it wrote.
I could care less what economic system or who's currency is the worlds reserve while I'm waiting for the fallout to settle.
Alles klar, mein Herr?
Posted by: T.D. | Apr 20 2023 16:25 utc | 9
Posted by: kassandra | Apr 20 2023 16:05 utc | 1
Thank you for that excellent definition. Unfortunately, kassandra, your wisdom will not be heard.
Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 20 2023 16:27 utc | 10
@Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 6
The Chelyabinsk event was orders of magnitude larger.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2023 16:33 utc | 12
Hey AP, let me fix that for you.
"Current NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg ..."
Zelenskyy and Biden won't be the only two to get flushed if the war ends badly for the AFU and their NATO "helpers". Though Zelenskyy could have value as a figurehead, failed NATO chiefs don't get that kind of a fallback. Stoltenberg would have to rely on allies for a sinecure somewhere else.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 20 2023 16:40 utc | 13
What's hilarious is Stoltenberg undoubtedly first asked permission from Russia to visit to make sure he was not bombed, just like Bidet.
The only way this will be a "surprise" is if they attack Belarus*, because this is the most announced "offensive" in history.
*or, hey, maybe Polandistan. They'd like Polandistan to occupy Ukranazistan to "protect" it from Russia, right?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 14
The more things change the more they stay the same. The meat grinder continues.
Posted by: Steven Ogle | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 15
Re: Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 20 2023 16:11 utc | 5
I suppose stalling is better than admitting your foreign policy was a failure in all respects.
I presume you are referring to the "SloMO". Stalling, stalling, stalling for nearly a year without any meaningful offensive.
Some say this "Stalling" is a good way to grind the opposition down - but where is the evidence this is actually happening to any great degree?
Where are the weak points in the defensive line about to collapse?
There is no evidence this will happen in the next 6-9 months - and now some people want the "SloMO" to end already! (Without even liberating the entire Donbas!)
Posted by: Julian | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 16
Gee. Most of my commentary on the previous thread is all about the SMO not ending anytime soon and why. The conflict/struggle is already global, T.D. @3, and its goals already announced by all three major actors--Russia, China and RoW seek the end of Outlaw US Empire hegemony, while the Empire continues its Quixotic quest for Full Spectrum Domination, dragging along 13% of the global population against 87%. The world has taken up Nancy Reagan's mantra in its message to the Empire--Just Say No--while taking Thatcher's mantra to the landfill as There are Alternatives.
Will the billionaires behind the Neocons and Neoliberals destroy their only playground to win this struggle? No, for they can continue to enjoy the "good life" with their plunder when they lose just as they have before after previous losses. It's been asked by several publications if the dollar will survive after it ceases to be the main international currency, with the answer being yes as it will remain the national currency of the USA, unless the USA changes the dollar's name.
@Julian | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 16
I don't know if you are unaware or ignoring the following: in a war of attrition, territorial gains come last. The Pentagon leaks confirm Ukrainian losses at a 7 to 1 ratio
Posted by: Chris N | Apr 20 2023 16:51 utc | 19
I'm starting to think that this madness is all one big AI headfuck, can someone please take the plugs out of the sockets and let things get back to normal
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 20 2023 16:52 utc | 20
Posted by: Julian | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 16
Define "great". 300k dead Ukranian soldiers, per RFK Jr. from today, not enough for you?
Posted by: Boo | Apr 20 2023 16:54 utc | 21
... stalling for nearly a year without any meaningful offensive ... where is the evidence this is actually happening to any great degree? ...Posted by: Julian | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 16
Answer :
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42691
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Apr 20 2023 16:54 utc | 22
Poland is just patsy vassal of evil English.
4 TH June, 2007.
President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia must target england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how Germany wes vilified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM againstt Russia. BBc spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
-such is the evil propaganda of British spies inside america. .
poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which must be stopped now.
-such is the evil propaganda of British spies inside america. . poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards. It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which must be stopped now. Napoléon was the greatest general of the western world in last 2000 years. He was a great man too. only mistake he did was not to attack England and kill the english race-instead he attacked Russia and destroyed 95% of his grand army. Napoléon should have attacked and burn england so that the world wouldn’t have to bear the curse of having english race on the earth. we can still do it by making Europe again fight against the english parasite shopkeepers.
Posted by: Sam | Apr 20 2023 17:06 utc | 23
How is Russia going to keep Ukraine out of NATO if she doesn't target decision making centers in Ukraine? Because she's not ever going to occupy all of Ukraine. She's smart enough not to want anything past the Dnieper.
Posted by: timbers | Apr 20 2023 17:07 utc | 24
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 6
IIRC, in War and Peace a comet was featured for its supposed import, and that Pierre, a main character, at first believed it was a sign that Napoleon would be the dominant force on the world stage, and then later he saw it as signalling Russia's rise from its slumber, and it saving Europe from domination by Napoleon.
Lol, I checked, and I might not have recalled all that correctly. Though there's so much verbiage in the novel, the synopsis might have skipped some relevant material.
https://www.litcharts.com/lit/war-and-peace/symbols/comet
Posted by: Babel-17 | Apr 20 2023 17:08 utc | 25
Re: Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 20 2023 16:11 utc | 5
I suppose stalling is better than admitting your foreign policy was a failure in all respects.
I presume you are referring to the "SloMO". Stalling, stalling, stalling for nearly a year without any meaningful offensive.
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Posted by: Julian | Apr 20 2023 16:42 utc | 16
Yes, I did leave it ambiguous. When you post on the internet, you can almost guarantee that any ambiguity you leave will be re-interpreted in every possible way.
I have watched various US wars drag on for decades going nowhere, so nothing happening in Ukraine so far impresses me as a long duration conflict.
Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 20 2023 17:25 utc | 26
Before 1990, historians considered a "short war" to be 2 years of less.
Russia fought several short wars in the 1800's against Turkey in along the Black See. Only one, the Crimean War was longer, because the Turks were propped up and aided by the French and Brits.
We have another 10 months before it becomes a "long war".
Historically speaking.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Apr 20 2023 17:41 utc | 27
Gee. Most of my commentary on the previous thread is all about the SMO not ending anytime soon and why.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 16:49 utc | 18
Yes, and that was a master post imo. I thought it would generate more commentary.
It should also preclude stupid commentary if people would take the time to read instead of post.
It's at the Ukraine Open Thread 2023-94, April 19 and was Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 3:20 utc | 74
Check it out!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 20 2023 17:48 utc | 28
How is Russia going to keep Ukraine out of NATO if she doesn't target decision making centers in Ukraine? Because she's not ever going to occupy all of Ukraine. She's smart enough not to want anything past the Dnieper.
Posted by: timbers | Apr 20 2023 17:07 utc | 24
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Ah ok
But who then has the real problems when Russia leaves this rest of West Ukraine alone, it is taken up by the EU = freedom to travel and money transfer of billions of euros
Yes, then who has the problem with people who are equal in their upbringing to that of the SS youth... and who are blinded?
Who then has problems with people who have such a completely different idea of democracy....and will NOT enforce these ideas only with words..
Nothing better than that can happen to Putin....
Although :
I doubt that Putin will stop at the Dneper!
He has to go at least 100 km further... and once the heavily fortified areas have been taken, the ground is dry... we will no longer be talking about meters in daily reports... but about kilometers / miles !!!
Apart from that....Putin's best ally at the moment is ZEIT !!
Posted by: mo3 | Apr 20 2023 17:50 utc | 29
For those who thought RFKjr was going to be better, I have some bad news. This quote is from a speech he recently gave as reported by The Daily Mail paper whose link is being blocked:
'We are in Ukraine for the right reasons,' Kennedy also said. 'We are there because of our compassion for the Ukrainian people who've been brutalized, who've been illegally invaded.'
So, he's furthering the BigLie which would be a prerequisite for running as the D-party candidate. There appears to be more as some are reporting he also said this:
My own son Connor, I am very proud of him, joined the Foreign Legion and fought in Ukraine during the Kharkov offensive as a machine gunner in a special forces group.
I'll cross-post this to the Ukie thread to inform the greatest number of barflies.
@karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 17:51 utc | 30
Thank you, I saw that too. There is no way the US can be fixed via elections. Btw. the same applies to my country.
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2023 17:57 utc | 31
Exactly what is NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg's Business with Ukraine?
Ukraine is not a NATO member and thus not entitled to any assistance or support from the - supposed - defense alliance NATO. No NATO countries have been attacked - except by Ukraine.
While it is perfectly legitimate for NATO member States to support Ukraine in whatever form they chose, there no legitimate reason for NATO to get involved. Or even lend it's assistance.
On the contrary: since any assistance to Ukraine increases the risk of provoking a Russian retaliation attack on NATO countries, the proper role for NATO - if it was indeed a defense alliance - would be to discourage any assistance to Ukraine, to minimize the risk for NATO member States to get involved.
If NATO was indeed a defence alliance.
PS: the argument that weakening Russia makes Europe safer is absurd: engaging in hostilities with Russia without being attacked first means that NATO is attacking, not defending.
Posted by: Marvin | Apr 20 2023 17:59 utc | 32
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 17:51 utc | 30
no surprise from the Kennedy family
Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2023 18:02 utc | 33
The ukraine's rightful place is up NATO's ass. There won't be any failed Nazi state left when this is over and Russia is in no hurry, just giving more rope to Nato and the western fascist regimes to hang themselves with.
The experiment is over.
Posted by: mikh | Apr 20 2023 18:11 utc | 35
Your rat problem is only solved if you get the lat rat!!
Posted by: G wiltek | Apr 20 2023 18:13 utc | 36
if you are a one trick pony
and the trick, has lost its charm
what options are left?
the west will continue with the trick it knows best,
war and more war.
the more nations it can drag into war the better
the more destabilizing cultures become
works to their advantage
it’s an oppressive, nihilistic approach
what matters is the west stays on top, no matter what
ukraine is only the beginning of the brutal end
Posted by: Dingo | Apr 20 2023 18:18 utc | 37
"When the weather doesnt cooperate towards your epic counteroffensive, just parade a bunch of clowns in front of the camera to distract the populace." - Joe Tzu
Posted by: Comandante | Apr 20 2023 18:19 utc | 38
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 17:51 utc | 30
Thank you for surprising me on how fast I had to be stopped being surprised.
RFK the Second be seeing spots before his eyes!
Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 20 2023 18:24 utc | 39
Almost all Americans with few exception have a simple ideological filter for determining what to think:
USA good, Russia bad
USA good, China bad
USA good, Iran bad
USA good, NoKo bad
USA good, Israel better
USA good, Syria bad
The list is subject to revision. In 2012 Ukraine was totally corrupt and a primary source of Slavic émigré criminals, but now it's pure as the driven snow.
George W. Bush said: "I don't do nuance". He spoke for the nation...
Posted by: A. Pols | Apr 20 2023 18:26 utc | 40
you guys don't see the patterns, the same thing happened when obama was the president, war with syria and libya (gaddafi), this war will stop only when a republican president comes into power again, probably because trump wants in his words "prevent a ww3" (source: 2:31 mins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ktEFFrtq5I&ab_channel=FoxNews)
Posted by: 1pipe1 | Apr 20 2023 18:27 utc | 41
I’d not be too sure about that. You know how they say that the first casualty of war is truth? It seems to me that the whole Ukrainian spring offensive is the equivalent of the West throwing s**t at a wall and hoping some of it sticks. Sure they are even out saying that it will be won or lost in the first 24 hours. So last throw of the dice? All over bar the shouting? Pick your own metaphor.
Posted by: Guy L’Estrange | Apr 20 2023 18:31 utc | 42
We must cut NATO down to a minimal coordination unit and eliminate all power of the MIC in democracies. Without that we live under the tyranny of tribal tyrants, not in any way related to democracy.
Posted by: Sam F | Apr 20 2023 16:10 utc | 4
Last I checked, neither the USA nor Canada are democracies. I hope you live in one; must be nice.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 18:34 utc | 43
Posted by: 1pipe1 | Apr 20 2023 18:27 utc | 41
Maybe you forgot about those Democrats Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Shrub? Trump would have started a war with Iran in his 2nd term and would have ramped up sanctions on Venezuela and Cuba which would've killed tens of thousands of people. Wake up. Wake the fuck up.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 18:37 utc | 44
Dear Barflies, I could read on some pro-ukraine channels that the counteroffensive started today/the last night. Does anyone of you have trustworthy information about the final battle?
Posted by: Tuk | Apr 20 2023 18:39 utc | 45
Wuat's happen on 04/19/23 late evening over the glorious Kyiv ??? was it Russian EMP ??? according to whatdoesitmean.com YES.....hmmm
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 17:51 utc | 30
Bad bad bad signal.
I had the same vibe when JFK's daughter was made ambassador to Japan. Guess she felt working for the Mafia was OK.
Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 20 2023 18:45 utc | 47
Just for humanities sake, I think President Putin should put an end to this war A.S.A.P. I don't see what can be gained by either side by pushing more buttons that might lead to a result we all dislike.
Intensely.
:/
Posted by: T.D. | Apr 20 2023 16:08 utc | 3
Just for humanities sake, I think Nato/US should butt the hell out of the Russia-Ukraine civil war.
1. The US had no business, ethical nor legal right -- none -- spending $5B taxpayer's money to overthrow the elected government of Ukraine & install Nuland's puppet "government."
2. The US had no legal or moral right to train Nazis & support their torture & murder of some 14,000 civilian, ethnic Russians living in the area known as Novorossya.
3. The US/UK had no legal or moral right to sabotage the March '22 negotiations & agreement between Ukraine & Russia.
The blood of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians & Russians is now on American hands.
I, for one, am once again embarrassed & ashamed to be an American.
Intensely.
Posted by: Mary | Apr 20 2023 18:46 utc | 48
Tuk, started today/the last night? Ukraine's counter offensive? no i have not heard that. we would all have heard about it.
Posted by: annie | Apr 20 2023 18:47 utc | 49
Mark Sleboda on Lira's Roundtable, good show, Sleboda also thinks the war will go on for a very long time and explains why:
The Roundtable #55: Mark Sleboda
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Apr 20 2023 18:48 utc | 50
lex talionis | Apr 20 2023 18:24 utc | 39--
Thanks for your reply. The message to the world from his remarks is the efforts to end the Outlaw US Empire's hegemony cannot stop for a second, that it will take the 87%'s efforts to force it to become a normal nation, that no "public face" is capable of rising above long established BigLies, not even Trump. Oddly, Musk is the only seemingly "independent" public face pushing back against some of the BigLies. Yes, there are a stable of writers who have a national audience, but they don't have any appetite for stepping into the political morass for various reasons.
Tom-Q-Collins @ 44
Some times Tom you hit the very bulls eye, it's fantastic to see, I take note.
Your @ 44 used all the right words and particularly in the right order.
The last line and a half is very profound. And should be repeated often.
Have i over stated it ?
Deffently not.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 20 2023 18:49 utc | 52
Posted by: Clueless Joe | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 7
Did you understand my comment in the slightest? President ,IMO, should get the SMO, over as quick as possible before the numbskulls on my side of the globe decide it's time to admit ukraine, at war or not, into nato.
That is what is coming and I see that if the kraniacs do get into nato while at war with the Russian Federation, that will be all it wrote.
I could care less what economic system or who's currency is the worlds reserve while I'm waiting for the fallout to settle.
Alles klar, mein Herr?
Posted by: T.D. | Apr 20 2023 16:25 utc | 9
Your comment was open to at least 2 interpretations. Do not blame the reader for your lack of clarity.
Posted by: Mary | Apr 20 2023 18:52 utc | 53
RFK speech fragment referring to his son in 404 State.
https://twitter.com/wootendw/status/1649052598308319232
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/42668
Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 20 2023 18:52 utc | 54
Posted by: annie | Apr 20 2023 18:47 utc | 49
Yes, That is what puzzles me. We should all have gotten the memo. ;)
Posted by: Tuk | Apr 20 2023 18:54 utc | 55
bear in mind that both the Kennedy and Bush paterfamilias were quite aligned with Hitler's interests. History starts to reshape in hindsight. Sickening realizations abound. Playing blame half the party for our very long term strategic goals is just stupid.
Posted by: Not Ewe | Apr 20 2023 18:55 utc | 56
@sejmon | Apr 20 2023 18:40 utc | 46
The ghost of Kiev obviously
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 20 2023 19:00 utc | 57
Posted by: Not Ewe | Apr 20 2023 18:55 utc | 56
yes. people need their mythology i guess.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2023 19:03 utc | 58
Yevgeny Prigohzin doesn't want the war to continue.
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/wagner-group-leader-ukraine-end-invasion/
He thinks Russia has already accomplished its goals. So just declare victory and quit.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2023 19:04 utc | 59
"...'We are in Ukraine for the right reasons,' Kennedy --- said."
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 17:51 utc | 30
Thanks, karlof1.
Posted by: juliania | Apr 20 2023 19:04 utc | 60
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 18:49 utc | 51
And the few ones brave enough to step into the morass and speak out get silenced by Faceplant, oops, I mean Facebook. (Do they put your face in some book?) And due to some of the stuff those much wiser than myself have taught me here, I don't even know if Seymour Hersh is brave or some sort of controlled opposition.
You, Sir, I put in the brave category!
Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 20 2023 19:05 utc | 61
Col Douglas Macgregor (ret) stated recently, I believe it was on Judging Freedom that during the Iraq war the US fired a total of 60K of artillery, now I know that they also carpet bombed Iraq but, only 60K artillery.
It has been stated, in many places that Russia is firing 60k rounds of artillery a day, and that has been for what? a year now? So, we know that Ukraine 'had' an army of 600K so, divide 600K by 60K =10 so, we could assume all killed in 10 days. Now, I know it's not that simple but, am I the only one to think that things aren't adding up in the way we would expect them to? And, it doesn't seem to matter how many are killed, because there are more....another 60~80K deeply entrenched.
We have reports of Russia's superior electronic warfare, well, Russia's superiority in almost every aspect, except that it might lose the war.
Someone who I used to follow avidly had an expression, he shortened it, IABATO.
It's all bollocks and that's official.
Is this what we are witnessing here? FWIW, I don't have a clue...
Posted by: Ken Tucky | Apr 20 2023 19:05 utc | 62
Something perhaps related to the Bandera worshippers attack on the Orthodox Christian Church?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 20 2023 16:12 utc | 6
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Thank you, Petri. That is a wonderful interpretation.
Today, I polished a silver icon (Madonna and child) I brought back from Greece some years ago. It definitely inspired the proper feelings.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 20 2023 19:07 utc | 63
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2023 19:04 utc | 59
are the nazis still in power in Ukraine? Has NATO stopped supplying them? much better for NATO and the US to "declare victory" and slink away, because they are driving this war.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2023 19:11 utc | 64
Mary @ 48 53
Thanks for your comments.
After over a year of following this Ukraine conflict its easy to become jaded and battle hardened.
I often wonder what people visting MOA for the fist time think of it, of us. We probaly neglect to explain why we are so commited to the Russian couse, we very possibly come over as warmongers. That would be mistaken.
So my point is I haven't noticed your posts before, ther sharp, knowledable and very refreshing.
I hope your planning to be a long term regular contributor.
Your approach I think would be very accessible to new readers and the younger.
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 20 2023 19:16 utc | 65
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Kiev/NATOs glorreiche counter-offensive was launched on the 20.April ?
Wonder if Zelensky ( Bandera was a Freedom Fighter ) threw a small Birthday Party in honor of 20.April
Posted by: Exile | Apr 20 2023 19:16 utc | 66
A kind of jolly fool.
With his mouth shut turns a poet.
Just the same way as the saying goes regarding everyones bedly matters..." You never write what is said on bed " time is ripe for everyone to know that no one jots down on paper any s#it vomited out of Stultemberg's mouth.
Posted by: Marvin | Apr 20 2023 17:59 utc | 32
Obviously Stoltenberg is there for a few reasons. First, western domestic propaganda PR for the Nafo trolls and hegemony lunatics. Secondly, obviously, the reason is to cause irritation in Russia, and perhaps to goad them to attack Nato. Obviously second thing will never happen unless they do really something threatening (which could have happened anyway).
So, useless PR visit.
Meanwhile, Zelensky selling more bits and pieces of Ukraine. It's the early 90s Soviet collapse all over again, baby.
Ukraine on sale
—Ukraine Pitches High Returns in Wartime Fire Sale of State Firms
—Property fund seeks to sell big state-owned companies soon
—Lawmakers must pass legislation to allow sales and land leases
According to Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-20/ukraine-pitches-high-returns-in-wartime-fire-sale-of-state-firms?srnd=economics-v2#xj4y7vzkg&leadSource=uverify%20wall), Ukraine is looking for investors brave enough to bet that it will beat back Russia’s invasion with a simple pitch: High risk can offer high reward.
Previously it was reported (https://www.usubc.org/site/recent-news/ukraine-rsquo-s-state-property-fund-pitches-large-scale-sale-of-state-owned-assets) that Kiev regime is on a mission to sell state-owned distressed assets, Ukraine’s State Property Fund is pitching its year-long efforts to both local and foreign investors. Though the executive body is underfunded, it is hopeful that large-scale privatization will start beginning of next year.
Most of Ukraine’s 3,600 state-owned enterprises need to be sold and the fund wants it done within three years Large-scale privatization which is starting in 2023. However, investors are concerned about toxic and undetermined liabilities of state-owned assets.
Ukraine’s State Property Fund (SPF) is on a mission to lure investors to buy some of Ukraine’s 3,600state-owned enterprises, most of which are distressed assets. And investor appetite is growing, according to the fund.
https://t.me/TrFormer/9488
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2023 19:21 utc | 68
Posted by: Not Ewe | Apr 20 2023 18:55 utc | 56
Yep. Which reminds me to re-recommend Adam Hoschild's "American Midnight" as it gets to the roots of the Bush and Kennedy clans and their relationship with Nazis and fascism.
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/american-midnight-adam-hochschild?variant=40001056014370
karlof1 has introduced some information on RFK Jr. that troubles me greatly. WTF is wrong with Americans.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 19:21 utc | 69
Scott Ritter - interviewed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr - “Ukraine is going to Lose this War” (10 min)
https://youtu.be/watch?v=gWixaq_l-b4
Posted by: Browser | Apr 20 2023 19:23 utc | 70
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 19:21 utc | 69
Sorry, I should say that "American Midnight" isn't the best Kennedy/Bush history out there, but it does provide discussion that will inform your understanding of the roots of those "dynasties" in the post-WWI era. I'm sure others can recommend better books that are specifically related to the Bush and Kennedy relationship to the Nazis and fascism.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 19:24 utc | 71
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 20 2023 19:16 utc | 65
I wonder about this myself. Some even seem to relish the acts of war involved; the death and destruction. I'm decidedly pro-Russia (guess that means I can be charged and arrested now, only halfway kidding) and I recognize the greater implications of a resounding defeat of NATO proxy and corrupt Nazi state Ukraine and frankly, I cheer for it so long as the puppet masters in D.C. and Brussels decide that this war must continue.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 19:28 utc | 72
Regarding RFK:
Listen to all he said and you will see that he is contradictory:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6325412395112
I continue to believe that this war will end this year. Ukraine will not join NATO, whatever the talk.
Posted by: JB | Apr 20 2023 19:32 utc | 73
Conor Kennedy "talked his way into" the Ukrainian unit, despite a lack of military experience, which would have disqualified him, and served on a front with little action.. IOW, it was a political stunt..
Posted by: pyrrhus | Apr 20 2023 19:37 utc | 74
Posted by: T.D. | Apr 20 2023 16:08 utc | 3
Just for humanities sake, I think President Putin should put an end to this war A.S.A.P.
And you think Nuland and her cabal will stop there and everything will just be cool again?
Russian funds will be released from western banks?
No nato influence in Ukraine?
Western economic war against Russia will stop overnight?
And after that, on a related front, the US will stop using Taiwan as a proxy against China?
You must believe unicorns are real too. Wake tf up, Pollyanna ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2023 19:39 utc | 75
BAKHMUT UPDATE: Bakhmut is a linchpin in the Ukrainian's line of defense in the Donbas. So, losing it will accelerate the Russian advance possibly to the Dnieper River. The Russian forces have taken around 90% of Bakhmut. As the Russian forces advance in Bakhmut, the remaining positions for Ukraine shrink. This allows the Russians to concentrate fire upon what remains of the Ukrainian army there. With superior fire power, this means the Russian meat grinder in Bakhmut becomes more intense and effective. Soon the last road into/out of Bakhmut will be under Russian physical control giving Russia 100% control over this vital road for the Ukrainian "defenders" of Bakhmut.
CROSSING THE RED LINE: At this point both Russia and NATO know that the West has crossed way too many red lines. So, Ukraine being included into NATO will make no difference. Russia knows this conflict is going nuclear and is planning accordingly. Now Ukraine has Western tanks with F-16s soon to follow. Just about all that is left is for USA nukes to be placed into Ukraine.
Putin is fully aware of the escalation and is planning accordingly. Between now until his forces take the Donbas, the bear will be positioning its nukes for direct attack upon the USA. Whenever the Donbas is taken, the bear will launch its nuclear missiles and torpedoes against the USA. The USA will go down in one hour.
MY BEST TIMING ESTIMATE (2023): Bakhmut falls around May 1, Rest of Donbas falls around July 1, Russia makes its final preps for a nuclear launch directly against the USA from now until early July, Russia launches within two weeks after it takes and secures the Donbas.
REGARDLESS: Regardless of the accuracy or lack of accuracy of "MY BEST TIMING ESTIMATE", Russia will launch against the USA soon after the Donbas falls.
Posted by: young | Apr 20 2023 19:40 utc | 76
"Washington, D.C., April 20, 2023 - Sixty years ago, during April 1963, the U.S. Air Force took steps to implement the final stage of the secret U.S.-Soviet deal that helped resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis with the dismantling of the Jupiter missiles deployed in Italy and Turkey. While Air Force leaders had no knowledge of the secret agreement, they had instructions from the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to remove the Jupiters and to render them “unidentifiable,” according to the Air Force’s declassified “Plan for the Withdrawal and Disposition” of the Jupiter system published today for the first time by the National Security Archive. The Air Force dubbed the dismantling operations Pot Pie I (Italy) and Pot Pie II (Turkey).
"Getting to the point where Pot Pie could be implemented was difficult. While negotiations with Italy had been relatively straightforward, Turkey’s Chiefs of Staff were reluctant to move forward on dismantling the Jupiters. According to a declassified State Department memorandum, U.S. officials worried that the “crisis of confidence” could lead Turkish defense officials to “stall” parliamentary approval of the operation or unnecessarily delay “technical level” understandings on Jupiter removal. Secret talks between U.S. and Turkish military officials in March 1963, however, during which the U.S. promised higher levels of military aid, improved the atmosphere. Within weeks, the U.S. and Ankara signed off on a dismantling agreement.
"As necessary as removing the Jupiters was to fulfill the secret deal, top policymakers did not want to shine a spotlight on the matter. As preparations were underway to dismantle the missiles, on March 30, 1963, the State Department reminded the U.S. embassies in Ankara and Rome of the need to “avoid fallacious comparison between Jupiter dismantling and withdrawal [of] Soviet missiles from Cuba.” To minimize that risk, neither the U.S., Italy, nor Turkey should provide “official facilitation [to] press or photo coverage of missile dismantling.” To prevent too much “mystery” over the dismantling, however, the State Department advised against any Italian or Turkish efforts to block the photography of trucks carrying missiles away from military bases.
"Today’s posting of 43 documents by the National Security Archive and the Nuclear Proliferation International History Project is the second of a two-part series on the dismantling of the Jupiter missiles. It covers the last phases of U.S. action to remove the Jupiters through official agreements with Italy and Turkey, notifications to the North Atlantic Council, tricky negotiations with the Turkish military, and the implementation by the U.S., Italy, and Turkey of Operation Pot Pie. Like Part I, this posting includes declassified documents that have not been published before, including material from the files of Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Maxwell Taylor and the records of the U.S. Embassy in Italy"
Posted by: bevin | Apr 20 2023 19:44 utc | 77
Posted by: young | Apr 20 2023 19:40 utc | 76
While I may agree in some and disagree other parts, I think it will ramp up - it will ramp up in the sphere of disabled satellites.
So, euro vassals are ready to commit suicide for US satellites and US recon aircraft? IMHO the article 5 doesn't work that way, it only works in the way where US and UK can cheerlead servants to their death from the backrow. But what happens if China sinks a US carrier or Russia disables their satellites? It immediately places the Anglo states in the first row, alone, in a pretty bad position.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2023 19:46 utc | 78
Russia is fighting for survival. It'll be a victory to stay in one piece.
They're not going to get security guarantees short of winning a war against NATO. Whatever is left of ukraine will be in nato and will lay claim to 1991 borders forever.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2023 19:47 utc | 79
Posted by: young | Apr 20 2023 19:40 utc | 76
Russia will launch against the USA soon after the Donbas falls.
The USA was and will remain the only nation to have launched a nuclear attack on a civilian population.
See? I can prophecy too ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 20 2023 19:50 utc | 80
Regarding RFK:
Listen to all he said and you will see that he is contradictory:
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6325412395112
Posted by: JB | Apr 20 2023 19:32 utc | 73
Indeed. First, what he says about 'the corrupt merger of state and corporate power' is on the money and he seems to explain this sort of thing better than any current politician out there including Trump who only does so in cartoonish - though very telling - platitudes.
Second, the purpose of the SMO, as karlof has nicely described, is to disband NATO and greatly weaken the US Empire, preferably putting it out of the Hegemony game.
RFK is on the side of reducing the Empire since it is the Empire which is the long arm expression of that same 'union of state and corporate power' (the classic definition of fascism of course) he is committed to dismantle. That whole rotten monster needs to be destroyed. And one of the most efficient tools to that end is the Ukraine conflict. The longer it goes on, the more likely his agenda has a chance to succeed.
I'm not saying he's that devious, but clearly he's not a fool and has taken on some very big corporate adversaries in the court room, I gather, and often come out on top. So he very well might be.
That said, I agree with someone else here who said that America's ills cannot be fixed in any election. It's way too far gone for that. That said, cultural-societal realities - being mainly mental constructs - can change rapidly depending on how they are perceived. The Republic is still technically there and could still somehow be rescued if it were vigorously claimed and held. I don't see it happening, but alot can happen in the next 12 months or so making far more radical changes not only possible but imperative.
Potentially a very interesting story. And potentially not.
Posted by: Browser | Apr 20 2023 19:23 utc | 70
The remaining two clips of this interview:
Scott Ritter - Robert F. Kennedy Jr “ Will NATO get involved if Ukraine fall?” (13 min)
https://youtu.be/watch?v=meCl_2g1930
Scott Ritter - Robert F. Kennedy Jr “On China - Russia Alliance” (19 min)
https://youtu.be/watch?v=NllJZBD6BcY
From two weeks ago
Posted by: Browser | Apr 20 2023 19:53 utc | 82
66 - I think the Red Baron was shot down on April 21, 1918, so that too is a somewhat doom-laden anniversary.
Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 20 2023 19:55 utc | 83
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 20 2023 19:47 utc | 79
That seems to be a problem. Even if rump Ukraine's population dips to 2 million, it really doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is Nato using rump Ukraine as a propaganda tool and strike platform which can wage forever-terrorism, forever-war, forever-any-kind-of-harassment.
If there is a cease fire, in Ukraine where this happens, within 2 years there will be another even much more devastating war. It certainly seems the brakes overheated.
TBH, there is nothing Russia can do in case rump Ukraine will be joined to Nato and EU. The best thing they can do is make sure the inevitable rump Ukraine is squeezed and packed tightly to the west to not cause problems in the east.
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 20 2023 19:56 utc | 84
lex talionis | Apr 20 2023 19:05 utc | 61--
Thanks for your reply and plaudit. As you may have figured by now, I have a set of convictions long formed and took a vow to defend and uphold them in 1979 that I've written come under the heading of a citizen's duties.
pyrrhus | Apr 20 2023 19:37 utc | 74--
The act by his son isn't the issue; it's what RFKjr said about that act that's THE issue.
Young @ 76
Vladimir Putin dosent need to take the drastic (understatment) action you suggest. Only desperate people do desperate things.
Russia has won this war, on any level, gage or definition you care to mention. But don't hold your breath waiting for Washington to anouce it.
And then there is the wider geopolitical multi-polar success both Russia And China are having.
I think and hope your wrong.
Best keep that nucular war contained in your imagination.
I have one, so it's cool
America deserve's it, I'll go that far to acomadate your view.
Cheers
Posted by: Mark2 | Apr 20 2023 19:58 utc | 86
Re RFK's Ukraine comment:
If his son is a merc there, it's an open flank inviting an attack on RFK as a hypocrite if he condemns the war. He's got to address it, and better early on to defuse the point.
RFK exposed himself with huge courage and stamina against the Covid fraud, his book on Fauci is a must-read for anyone still in delusion about the criminal pharma complex.
Posted by: Leser | Apr 20 2023 20:03 utc | 88
what happened to the Byela Tserka where there was two blast's similar to the Kiev blast yesterday.
The tweet from yesterday is now gone
"The Bilaya Tserka hit looks interesting. Some people claim it was another weapon depot (very large one). Perhaps it all blew up at the same time, creating the large fireball that rose and dissipated into smoke.
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1648796573319458829
Posted by: unimperator | Apr 19 2023 21:27 utc | 35"
From the UKR newspaper zn.ua- could it be a UFO
The US government is tracking more than 650 phenomena that could potentially be activity "unknown flying objects" - UFOsSean Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon's Office of Anomaly Resolution, established last year, said CNN.
The agency mainly helps the Pentagon identify new technologies that other countries are launching into the skies. Among them is a high-altitude surveillance balloon from China, which flew through US airspace in February.
Kirkpatrick showed video of two declassified cases, in one the object was identified, in the other – not.
In the first video, filmed in South Asia earlier this year, the object flew past two MQ-9 drones, including one that captured a video that appeared to follow him forcefully, which Kirkpatrick said was initially thought to be "truly anomalous." But after they dismantled the video frame by frame, he said, his office determined it was a "shadow image." "This is an infrared thermal signature from the engines of a commuter aircraft that was flying in close proximity to where these two MQ9s were," he said.
"Recall, late in the evening of April 19 a bright flash arose over Kyiv. At the moment, its exact origin has not been established. According to the State Space Agency of Ukraine, the most likely cause was the fall of a meteorite from the Learid stream."
https://zn.ua/ukr/usa/urjad-ssha-vidslidkovuje-ponad-650-potentsijnikh-nlo-zajavili-u-pentahoni.html
My guess is that it was a Russian UFO
PS. Where are the discusion of Sy Hearsh report of corruption?
Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 20 2023 20:05 utc | 89
I'm sure others can recommend better books that are specifically related to the Bush and Kennedy relationship to the Nazis and fascism.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 20 2023 19:24 utc | 71
Family of secrets : the Bush dynasty, the powerful forces that put it in the White House, and what their influence means for America
https://archive.org/details/familyofsecretsb0000bake_r7l6
The Bush Crime Family
https://archive.org/details/the-bush-crime-family
The corporate state and the broker state : theDu Ponts and American national politics, 1925-1940
https://archive.org/details/corporatestatet00burk
Superclass : the global power elite and the world they are making
https://archive.org/details/superclassglobal0000roth_a9r4
America's secret establishment : an introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-2cmFoB22NG1pZnWL
Fleshing Out Skull & Bones; Investigations Into America's Most Powerful Secret Society
https://archive.org/details/MilleganFleshingOutSkullBonesInvestigationsIntoAmericasMostPowerfulSecretSociety2003
Sorry for not linking correctly, am on my phone…
Posted by: Zet | Apr 20 2023 20:09 utc | 90
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 19:59 utc | 87
RFKjr is asking questions. He is told by Ritter about Ukrainian Nazis, shelling of civilians, state of the war, Russia's motives, danger of escalation, changing global order. He does not object. In the last clip he reminisces about his uncle and unfavourably compares American foreign policy with Chinese.
Posted by: Browser | Apr 20 2023 20:14 utc | 91
b: more or less, that's all clearly right - thanks for that reminding.
So let's being a "good" issue open to further discussing any immediate success for either military side, even some side is now using some new weapon-systems, ie. that only RF has now with its 500/1500 flying bombs. The US have those also, but a "little bit" better targeting.
The new military Satellite-Launch of RF, some days ago, mark another AD- and Combat Scan targeting issue, towards UKR & newly NATO supporting air-strikes against RF (@ Crimea to cut-off its deliveries, even @Moscow, and @St.Petersburg),
the latter both mostly by terror atacks just well known.
So what's rumours can point to a current real update of RF/UKR situation ? :
Nothing just today an answer - wait .. wait .. bla .. bla .. (until Scholz/BBock killed)
That's it ...
The US/esp.UK Gov. and its speakers nowadays have once-more sharpening the military edge of this "Conflict". Pls. have also some note to the new BRICS States coming-into there.
Leave the EU Master vd.Liar woman out of order - give her new hair-spray .. (or just kill).
Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 20 2023 20:23 utc | 92
@ unimperator | Apr 20 2023 19:46 utc | 78
IMHO the article 5 doesn't work that way, it only works in the way where US and UK can cheerlead servants to their death from the backrow
Article 5 is some spooky red line that is hyped beyond any reason.
As in 'one for all and all for one' fairytale.
I think that we can easily throw this Article 5 over the shoulder.
In reality, it is not a scary boogeyman lurking in a dark, threatening to jump out and overwhelmingly punish RF, 'return' Crimea to NATO's nest and conquer Vladivostok in a week.
Let them try, already said Putin.
To RF it doesn't matter any more anything that Collected West says and nobody East of Dnieper is interested to talk to them or to trust anything they say. Russian Federation will demilitarise Ukraine and NATO in one go and mostly on Ukrainian fields and steppe, that is a fact known so far.
Would they go a bit further, pinpoint certain 'decision-making centres' and sometimes stab some military point outside Ukrainian borders? Possibly, and pending very much on how dirty West will be playing.
NATO had already made the decision that basically will drag by the neck Ukraine into its circle no matter what, cynically trampling over its own guidelines and any membership rules there.
I am sure Zelensky is already glowing with such a move in his understanding of victory and protection that Westerners will provide.
He is really naive there.
With an all-in mentality, NATO is doomed. It is still dangerous and one has to be careful not to underestimate it, but against RF stands no chance and never had one since the day one of its existence.
Stoltenberg said that Ukrainian future is with NATO.
Well, newsflash there!
Ukraine has no future, neither does NATO.
Posted by: whirlX | Apr 20 2023 20:25 utc | 93
Posted by: 1pipe1 | Apr 20 2023 18:27 utc | 41
this war will stop only when a republican president comes into power again
Any US president of whichever colour you might prefer will still just be a talking head for the US War Party so long as the Red & Blue neoconservative hawks are supported by the wealthy elites of the MIC and the wider trans-Anglo/EU oligarchy. It's far beyond moronic to think the reality TV star president Trump will have any say in the matter apart from shoring up his lame duck second term with the same Red neocons that infested his first.
Although when your democratic choice is between a douche and a turd sandwich I guess I too would go for the douche that offered to end NATO, make friends with the RF, bring the troops home, and fix the nation's infrastructure and industries ... even Noam Chomsky applauded that anti-imperial attempt at foreign policy.
But repeat after me – PRESIDENTS DON'T MATTER!
Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Apr 20 2023 20:30 utc | 94
Further evidence of the ongoing tag-teaming by China with Russia to inform/educate about the Alternative Direction being taken is provided by this Global Times article about an upcoming important international forum, "China's diplomacy brings about 'global effect,' to meet world's need for peace, certainty, and recovery":
Apart from receiving foreign leaders, the Chinese Foreign Ministry has also held events to actively introduce and share China's ideas, views and wisdom for global issues. Wang Wenbin, a spokesperson of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, announced on Thursday that the Lanting Forum on "Chinese Modernization and the World" will be held at the Grand Halls in Shanghai on Friday. State Councilor and Foreign Minister Qin Gang will attend the opening ceremony of the forum and deliver a keynote speech.The forum is expected to host foreign dignitaries, renowned experts and scholars, business leaders, foreign diplomatic envoys and representatives of international organizations in China and representatives from international media, Wang said. Under the theme of "Chinese Modernization and the World," the forum consists of three panel sessions and a luncheon with the business community for in-depth exchanges on topics including China's new development, better global governance, closer people-to-people exchanges and pursuing high-standard opening up, Wang said.
China is providing and contributing what most members of the international community desperately need at a time of global turbulence, and China is also boosting connections with the world by continuing to sincerely promote its reform and opening-up, actively improve international environment that benefits both Chinese modernization and the world's need for peace and recovery, said experts. This is why China is becoming increasingly popular at present, despite containment and stigmatization campaign from the US, they noted.
What follows after that introduction IMO is supremely important as it provides a similar POV to what's generally expressed here through the use of a different rhetoric that needs to be heeded:
The world has suffered from the COVID-19 pandemic over the past three years, and also from a series of secondary effects caused by the Ukraine crisis since 2022. As a result, "peace and stability, de-escalation of existing crises, opportunity for development, and certainty for recovery, as well as investment and advanced technologies" are the most needed "goods" for all countries around the globe, said Li Haidong, a professor at the Institute of International Relations at the China Foreign Affairs University.Only major powers with considerable national strength are able to provide these needed "goods", but unfortunately, the US - the only super power in the world - is not interested in providing these, and Washington and its allies are even further undermining the precious peace and certainties, experts said.
When the world asks for peace, the US is adding fuel to the fire to keep the Ukraine crisis burning and is also hyping up tensions in the Taiwan Straits, the Korean Peninsula and the Middle East; when the world asks for opportunity and recovery, Washington forces other countries to take sides and decouple from its competitors and bans its people from using other countries' advanced products and APPs; when the world asks for certainty, the US disrupts the stability of international supply and industrial chains through unilateral sanctions, and its failure to handle inflation only exacerbates the world's concerns, analysts noted.
All of these make the world more desperately need these "goods," and when China can provide these very "goods," China will very naturally be welcomed, experts noted. For Saudi Arabia and Iran, China provides mediation; for Russia, Ukraine and the EU, China provides markets, multilateralism, and hope of peace; for countries worldwide that ask for recovery, development and security, China provides opportunities with the Belt and Road Initiative, technologies, investment and experience, as well as the internationalization of the RMB to jointly form an alternative international payment system, experts said.
"This means China's development advances with the trend of our time, and is welcomed by the majority of the world, and what the US has done in past decades and the world order dominated by its hegemony has brought enough pain to the world, and doesn't go along with the trend of the times," Li told the Global Times on Thursday.
When the world is in turbulence, it's very reasonable for the majority of the international community to expect a major power to play the role of "stabilizer" and "mainstay," and now, "they see that hope from China," Li noted.
The Ukraine battle is a subset of the global battle and the initiator of both is the Outlaw US Empire. As with WW2, it will take the combined efforts of the United Nations to win the global battle that will end the Ukraine battle and the Eurofascism it's a part of.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 17:51 utc | 30
His interview on Tucker Carlson (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6325412395112) may indicate he's a real chip off the old block. I loved RFK as a teenager. Cried when he was killed. But the ruthlessness that Roy Cohn brought out never really went away. He waited for McCarthy to take on LBJ. Then when McCarthy succeeded in pushing LBJ out, Bobby jumps in and splits the anti-war vote. And Bobby shifted his position on the war too, pushed by McCarthy and popular opinion.
Your information is important. It surprised me, but not. Marianne Williamson is the same way.
Trump is the closest thing to an anti-war candidate that there is. He at least allows the taboo word "peace" to pass through his lips.
With all the talk of omens in this thread, I'd like to suggest Elon's rocket blowing up is as much an omen as was the Challenger disaster. It's quite a blow to the trans-humanists and Eco-Modernists. Humans do best as gardeners and herders. Bombs and skyscrapers will be the death of the species.
Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | Apr 20 2023 20:34 utc | 96
Browser | Apr 20 2023 20:14 utc | 91--
Thanks for your reply. So, what's your analysis of RFKjr at present?
Yes the dollar will survive as the US currency, BUT the US imports 85 percent of all consumer products, including essential medication. So as world dumps the bankrupt US dollar, Americans will need to shop with wheelbarrows full of their "worth-less" woke bucks, that is if China doesn't finally embargo Walmart shoppers from essential landfill items and empty shelves
Posted by: Willow | Apr 20 2023 20:40 utc | 98
#95
It’s nice to read
Some diplomats have an
Affinity for”reason”
Posted by: Dingo | Apr 20 2023 20:42 utc | 99
Gee. Most of my commentary on the previous thread is all about the SMO not ending anytime soon and why.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 16:49 utc | 18
Yes, and that was a master post imo. I thought it would generate more commentary.
It should also preclude stupid commentary if people would take the time to read instead of post.
It's at the Ukraine Open Thread 2023-94, April 19 and was Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2023 3:20 utc | 74 Check it out!
Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 20 2023 17:48 utc | 28
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Idem. Ditto!
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Apr 20 2023 20:44 utc | 100
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I finally deduced a definition of the "rules-based international order." It means the U.S. makes the rules, and the U.S. gives the orders.
Posted by: kassandra | Apr 20 2023 16:05 utc | 1