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April 4, 2023
Journalist, Spy Or Cyber Front Warrior?

Last Thursday, March 30, Russian authorities arrested the Wall Street Journal journalist Evan Gershovitch:

Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) claimed that Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich was “acting on instructions from the American side to collect information about the activities of one of the enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex that constitutes a state secret.” Gershkovich, who was arrested in the city of Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains region, will be held until at least May 29, according to Russian judicial officials.

The Wall Street Journal said it “vehemently denies” the allegation and demanded that Russia release Gershkovich, who has lived in Moscow for six years and was accredited by Russia’s foreign ministry. If convicted, he could face up to 20 years in prison.

Would the Wall Street Journal even know if the CIA hired one of its journos for a side job?

But fear not, the CIA would never do such:

The arrest shows that Moscow is “increasingly treating the United States as an open belligerent in a war against Russia,” according to George Beebe of the Quincy Institute, who previously led Russia analysis at the CIA.

Citing a 1977 law that banned CIA recruitment of journalists, Beebe argued that it is “very unlikely that Gershkovich is a U.S. intelligence asset or that his reporting was directed or influenced by the U.S. Intelligence Community.”

Surely, the CIA would never ever break a law, says a former CIA analyst …

But why then is the U.S. Secretary of State calling Russia for a talk about the man?

Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Sunday held a call with his Russian counterpart, Sergey Lavrov, to discuss Evan Gershkovich, a reporter for The Wall Street Journal and US citizen who was detained in Russia last week over spying allegations.

According to a State Department readout of the call, Blinken expressed the US’s “grave concern over Russia’s unacceptable detention of a US citizen journalist” and called for his “immediate release.”

According to the Russian side, Lavrov told Blinken that a Russian court will decide Gershkovich’s fate. “In light of the established evidence of the US national’s illegal activities, his future will be determined by court,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) claimed that Gershkovich, “acting at the behest of the American side, collected information constituting a state secret about the activities of an enterprise within Russia’s military-industrial complex.”

May be I am naive, but what Gershkovich inquired about was way too much on the questionable side than to be called journalism:

Kevin Rothrock @KevinRothrock – 17:15 UTC · Mar 30, 2023

Journalist @kolezev, who spoke on background to @evangershkovich before his trip to Yekaterinburg, says Evan hoped to intercept employees (literally in the street) leaving the UralVagonZavod plant in Nizhny Tagil or the NPO Novator missile factory in Yekaterinburg, planning to ask them how they feel about the invasion of Ukraine.

This more than the WSJ’s Wagner Group investigation seems likeliest to have triggered the FSB’s “espionage” paranoia. Evan knew the risks but apparently hoped that the FSB would let him be, given that war sentiment isn’t a state secret.

https://t.me/kolezev/13266

Колезев ☮️
Мария Захарова заявила, что «то, чем занимался в Екатеринбурге сотрудник американского издания The Wall Street Journal, не имеет отношения к журналистике». Марии Захаровой, конечно, виднее, ей в ФСБ…

Tass summarizes the accusations:

  • US citizen Evan Gershkovich, a correspondent for the Moscow bureau of The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), was detained in Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Region, in the Urals region of Russia, on suspicion of espionage.
  • According to the FSB, the journalist was collecting top-secret data about an enterprise within the Russian military-industrial complex in the interests of the United States.
  • The American was detained while trying to obtain classified data.

Yekaterinburg has been a the metallurgical center of Russia for 300 years:

Yekaterinburg was founded on 18 November 1723 and named after Yekaterina I, the wife of Russian emperor Peter the Great. The city served as the mining capital of the Russian Empire as well as a strategic connection between Europe and Asia.

The city grew during the second world war when Russia moved its heavy industry away from the frontline to behind the Ural. UralVagonZavod is the largest tank manufacturer in the world. It is currently producing the T-90 tanks for the Russian army. NPO Novator is making anti-aircraft missiles and other weapons like the Kalibr cruise missiles which are currently in high demand.

To ask workers of such factories how they feel about the U.S. proxy war waged against Russia while that war is ongoing seems a bit off to me.

What would have been the offer by Gershkovich to any worker who would have spoken against the war?

Also, this was about more than just asking random workers:

The Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich was interested in operation of military-industrial complex facilities in Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Region Legislative Assembly deputy Vycheslav Vegner, whom the reporter interviewed earlier, told TASS Thursday.

"[During the interview, Gershkovich] started asking questions regarding the military-industrial complex of Yekaterinburg, he named one such enterprise – ‘Novator’- and so on," Vegner said.

According to the lawmaker, the reported cited the experience of other regions on industry conversion and asked about the Sverdlovsk Region experience – for example, whether the enterprises change their profile, how many shifts there are, and if they are appropriately staffed. Vegner noted during the interview that he is not authorized to answer such question.

Anything about weapon production numbers or related issues are of course state secrets, at least during times of war. What then do we call such inquiries if not espionage?

Gershkovich also inquired about the lawmaker’s communication with Wagner PMC founder Yevgeny Prigozhin – to which Vegner answered that he is familiar with this issue, because he received applications from convicts who desire to volunteer.

The Wagner founder seems to have been of special interest:

In an interview with Kommersant, Yaroslav Shirshikov, a local public activist, said he spent two days with Gershkovich in Yekaterinburg. The main objective of Gershkovich’s mission "was to analyze society’s attitude toward Prigozhin. He wanted to find out whether public support for the special military operation was growing or dwindling," Shirshikov said.

The questions Gershkovich asked surely deserved some scrutiny from the Russian authorities. One wonders what else they found with him.

But don't look what Gershkovich has done, say some. Obfuscate it whenever possible.

Jason Rezaian @jrezaian – 3:17 UTC · Apr 2, 2023

When reporting on Evan's ordeal, avoid repeating the Russian narrative. The fact that he is a hostage is the story, not the supposed charges against him. Constantly humanize Evan.
Drop all our notions of competition and steel ourselves for a potentially long ordeal. #FreeEvan

Quoted Tweet:

Nicholas Kristof @NickKristof – Apr 2
Replying to @jrezaian @MtthwRose and @WSJ
Jason, you've been in Evan's situation. What would you suggest that the journalistic community do to support him?

Jason Rezaian indeed has experience with the situation. He had been imprisoned in Iran for espionage when he worked there as 'journalist'.

Not that the CIA would ever hire such …

On Sunday, April 2, the Russian war blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, real name Maxim Fomin, was killed in a terrorist attack in St Petersburg.

Russian authorities arrested the woman that had brought the bomb which killed Tatarsky. While the man was more of a warrior or grifter than a journalist the Russian public is likely to connect the cases. It will demand harsh punishment for Gershkovich. The Ukrainian secret service, which likely was involved in the assassination, may well have intended such.

Craig Murray – @CraigMurrayOrg – 18:04 UTC · Apr 2, 2023

My first thought is that terrorism killing a Russian journalist is really going to make things worse for Evan Gershkovich.

Then I realised that it is in Ukraine's interest for US/Russian relations to deteriorate further over Evan Gershkovich.

Russian pro-war military blogger killed in blast at St Petersburg cafe
Vladlen Tatarsky, who had over 560,000 followers on Telegram, dies in explosion that injures 19 people

But is this really in Ukrainian interest?

Gonzalo Lira – @GonzaloLira1968 – 19:41 UTC · Apr 2, 2023

Terrorist attacks like this one do nothing — except harden the Russian public’s resolve to smash the Kiev regime and take all of Ukraine.

It ensures that Russian public sentiment will never support a cease-fire or negotiated settlement.

In other words, this hurts Ukraine

Intermarium 24 @intermarium24 · Apr 2
💥 An explosion occurred in St. Petersburg, Russia during a meeting organized by Pro-Russian military blogger – Vladen Tatarsky. The cafe was owned by PMC Wagner chief Evgeniy Prigozhin. Unknown woman gifted Tatarsky a small statue with explosive device. 1 killed, 6 injured.… Show more

The unknown woman who 'gifted' the statue was Darya Trepova:

Russia media reports say Ms Trepova, 26, handed Tatarsky a statuette which was believed to contain the explosives that killed him and injured more than 30 people. Later in a video released by the Russian Interior Ministry, she is seen admitting she brought the statuette to the cafe where the blast took place.

Her husband Dmitry Rylov suggests she may have been duped.

Whatever happened, going forward Darya Trepova will not have an easy life.

Victor vicktop55 @vicktop55 – 13:37 UTC · Apr 4, 2023

Evgeny Prigozhin gave an exclusive interview to SHOT.

"Vladlen Tatarsky is a sacred symbol of Russia's struggle against external evil.

This attack was staged to remove the "voice of Russia" in order to weaken our struggle. But there will only be more resistance.

For people like Trepova, the death penalty should be brought back. Put her against the wall and drill a hole in the head. She is an enemy. Her employers are enemies. The fight against enemies must be absolutely merciless.

Now there are more attacks on journalists than on government officials. Because journalists are active people. They are the voice of the public. We need such active people to defend Russia in their field.

Unite is the first thing to do to fight the recruits. Society must reject any attempt to side with the enemy."

The cafe where the explosion occurred belongs to Yevgeny Prigozhin. He will hand it over to the Cyber ​​Front office. It will be renovated and everything will be furnished as it was on the day of Tatarsky's death.

"Cyber ​​Front – these are the people who defend Russia's interests in the information space. Cyber ​​Front will work even more actively. Nobody is afraid."

Prigozhin will provide material assistance to the victims of the terrorist attack from personal funds.

"Our task is to ensure that the patriotic movements that exist in our society continue to grow."
https://t.me/vicktop55/14271

Dima of the Military Summary channels suggested that the terror attack that killed Tatarsky was a planned diversion. It is supposed to move the public eyes away from the fact that the Ukrainian army is currently getting removed from Bakhmut. The fight there had been lost months ago but the Ukrainian army is only now giving up. Ten thousands of Ukrainian soldiers died there in vain.

One hopes that one day the people of Ukraine will hold those responsible who had needlessly sent those soldiers into such fate.

Comments

The CIA already uses fake doctors, why should fake journalists be so unbelievable?

Posted by: Sid Victor Cattoni | Apr 4 2023 21:19 utc | 101

Posted by: Arrnon | Apr 4 2023 19:38 utc | 76
I think you are onto something!

If someone are hoping to find a way forward that doesn’t require catastrophe there’s nothing here. Half the posts convey a latent or overt wish for armageddon. When does “I sure hope this doesn’t end in nuclear war” mean “I’m excited to see what happens during a nuclear war” Given the number of Americans I know who think having a gun will save them from others with a gun, armageddon is on the table!

I say we pull the plug.
Here are a couple of songs.
Fear – Let’s Have a War
Black Flag (Keith Morris) Gimme Gimme Gimme
I hope everyone is well out there. Scorpion has gotten me sort of freaked out. Much love to the crew. Thank you, b!
I’m heading off to the range. See y’all soon!

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 4 2023 21:21 utc | 102

Now, the outcome of the battle, despite numerous attempts by Ukraine to hold the city, seems a foregone conclusion: only the western outskirts of Bakhmut are still held by Ukrainian troops, as military experts write in their Telegram channels,” they emphasize in Express.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/17163
Posted by: Down South | Apr 4 2023 20:01 utc | 83
Thank you Down South. I’ve been reading your updates for some time and have only been commenting here about a month . . .on April 2nd (should’ve been the 1st!) here in the US National Propaganda Radio did a piece about ‘Ellensky “celebrating” the “one year anniversary” of the Russians “retreating” from the diversionary Kiev encirclement after the start of the SMO– the move that was mainly to keep most of the Ukro military up North and away from the Donetsk frontlines as Russia plowed forward. Of course, the ‘Murican public are sadly so ignorant, ahistorical and sheep-like that most of the “liberal” drones who listen to this pablum probably actually believed Kiev and ‘Elensky had a major “victory” in April 2022!! Which translates now, to . . . a nothing-burger.

Posted by: SkepticalThinker | Apr 4 2023 21:21 utc | 103

@Outraged | Apr 4 2023 15:19 utc | 16
Why not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhH0hIsK2s
quality doesn’t age …

Posted by: Ново З | Apr 4 2023 21:22 utc | 104

what do people think about the Finland news?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 4 2023 21:07 utc | 97
You need a WEF prime minister to throw away 75 years of neutrality to choose the losing side.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 4 2023 21:27 utc | 105

Glad to see you back, b. This lurker is much edified by your perspectives. Thank you.

Posted by: [Citation Needed] | Apr 4 2023 21:28 utc | 106

Sacred cows are falling, first it was the Colonel, then The Saker and now Martyanov.
Posted by: Paco | Apr 4 2023 21:00 utc | 95

There are two narratives competing for or attention. One is the narrative pushed by elitist technocrats, that the wicked, old, decadent western elites are to be replaced by multipolar elites who will be better.
The problem is that the multipolar elites are also fully invested in the 4th industrial revolution, which is not good for anyone wanting to live as a free human being in this world under God.
So the other narrative is about the struggle between ordinary folks the world over and the technocrats who would build their utopia from total information awareness, AI, neural links, an internet of everything, and genetic modification. Warriors like Vladlen represent the hopes and dreams of ordinary people, the class and spiritual enemies of elitists. All human souls are created equal. Remembering that is our best defence against those who would rule us, ‘for our own good’.

Posted by: Drifter | Apr 4 2023 21:42 utc | 107

If I were a reporter for the WSJ, I’d be keenly interested in this info provided by the Kremlin, Meeting of the Presidium of the State Council:
“The President held a video link meeting of the Presidium of the State Council devoted to the development of the country’s industry in the face of sanctions pressure.”
And yes, it’s very deep and involved offering all sorts of intel openly. It’s also very instructive for the student of political-economy as to how a genuinely industrial-capitalist nation operates. After Putin’s lengthy opening remarks, those of Alexey Dyumin, Governor of Tula Region, followed, which were also quite lengthy. Another seldom mentioned dynamic about Russia was revealed by Mr. Dyumin and that’s the conflict that occurs between the Federal and Regional levels, but in a wholly different manner than most nations as industrial and other policies are designed, funded and implemented by both levels of government–so regional and federal officials must learn to work together as a team administratively and legislatively. Putin as president is the Circus Master/Manager of the overall process: a position Biden would never be able to accomplish, nor Trump or any other previous POTUS. Just reading Putin’s opening remarks is enough to show why.
One aspect of the discussion completely backs up Martyanov’s main point and sinks all the detracting trolls here:

Dyumin speaking: And the fifth question, which you also discussed, and of course it is also the main one, is personnel. The shortage of engineering personnel occurs due to various reasons – we all know them.
There are not enough applicants who enter technical universities. The nature of these problems begins at school. The reason lies both in the shortage of teachers of mathematics and physics in schools – this is a problem to be solved, as well as in the fear of the students themselves to fail this subject on the Unified State Exam. Because when a student sticks to mathematics and physics and starts preparing for the Unified State Exam, [he] understands perfectly well that it is easier to pass this exam in humanities and switches to humanities….
Even at school, students choose humanities instead of specialized mathematics and physics. This problem should be solved in a comprehensive way: to strengthen the training of teachers of these subjects, to motivate students with interesting educational programs.

So, the problem is universal, not just Westerncentric. This issue was also discussed at the recent annual Congress of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs and other meetings over the last two months alone. I’ve seen it deemed an issue of National Security on more than one occasion. Clearly, knowing that students feel it’s easier to pass the Humanities entrance exams would be of great interest to CIA. But why the perception? IMO, it’s very simple and based on the reality that knowing the math to pass such exams IS difficult because it’s hard to master for most minds, while there are some minds that find it easier to very easy.
The discussion ends on this very interesting note:

Vladimir Vladimirovich, and, of course, after all that has been said-maybe even some irony, but it’s not irony-talking and being at your post in a developed industrial region: chemistry, metallurgy, defense industry, engineers, designers, technologists, even teachers of technical universities, flagship universities – everyone is asking to return drawing to school. This is the beginning of the basics of engineering knowledge.
It is clear that now there is a lot of software that draws, turns, creates and so on in 3D, but this is not my opinion – this is what designers, young engineers, technologists of all directions and industries say: please return drawing to school education. I will ask you to consider this issue at a high level and make an appropriate decision.

Don’t let students become dependent on computers to draw their designs can be extended to other learning realms too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 4 2023 21:52 utc | 108

7
He worked for moscow times. say no more. nothing like a dutch intelligence aka cia run english language newspaper printed in finland to represent Rf

Posted by: hankster | Apr 4 2023 22:04 utc | 109

I should inform barflies that the Hudson/Haiphong transcript can be found here too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 4 2023 22:07 utc | 110

@105 karlof1
There are a lot of „youngsters“ having some IT-skills to support their small IT-knowledge allplied on helping to navigate UKR drones via Musk-Sat guided bombs on targets of RF.
Ok – that is fact – but not yet professional.
That may be the future on-going terrorist $war by personnel guys strikes ..
But that is not war on the ground.
Those young ladies as in Petersburg may be engaged from everywhere, but are not subject of the SMO.
FSB won-t make any counter-strikes to that assasination, due to their own healthy.
That is the 2-split of all US-like strategies, if other military means might not helping.

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 4 2023 22:22 utc | 111

I don’t understand why Russia is so lax on its security. I don’t understand why it allows so many of these western journalists/propagandists and NGO-type outfits to still run around Russia after the SMO. I notice these anti-Russia youtube channels where they go around questioning and interviewing Russians with an anti-Russian slant. This laxness of Russia is costing lives, again and again.
Russia needs to be more strict and disciplined. It also needs to screen people more carefully at these gatherings.

Posted by: MiniMo | Apr 4 2023 22:28 utc | 112

Happy to read you again b
but like Biochar @33 : this was not a real break, take care, cuidado amigo:)
Best Regards.

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Apr 4 2023 22:37 utc | 113

Posted by: MiniMo | Apr 4 2023 22:28 utc | 109
I had the same thought when an episode of Front Line appeared on our television not too long ago; the wife likes PBS, what can I say.
I turned it off and clicked on the current season as a whole and it turns out they have put out like 3 or 4 episodes ranging in title from “Putin’s War at Home” to “Putin and the Presidents.” The former entailed what must’ve been a small production crew and reporter(s) roaming around Moscow and I guess maybe other Russian cities filming protests, arrests and asking people questions. I wondered whether if the USA was hypothetically invading Mexico (after years of similar situation to Donbass) and Russia was openly arming the Mexicans, whether Russian reporters would be allowed to run around “The Land of the Free” creating anti-USSA propaganda.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 4 2023 22:41 utc | 114

@Arrnon | 76
“If you are in the U.S. rooting for Russia to prevail in Ukraine because you hate your own government, you are an imbecile to history and standing on the corpses due to your own failures as a society.”
I am indeed, “living in the US and rooting for Russia to prevail”. Your next comment “because you hate your own government”, does not follow. It’s a comment that says more about your own thinking than about those who are “rooting for Russia to prevail”.
First point: the US is not at war with Russia so it’s a simple argument about policy. Second point: the government is not the country. It’s often true in history that governments are the enemies of their countries.
I root for Russia to prevail because I think that will be the best outcome for the United States. A crushing foreign policy defeat on the scale of what Ukraine may be turning into, may so discredit the Uni-party, that the failed policy assumption of the last 40 years might be rethought. That hope may be vain, but the consequences of a US “victory” in Ukraine would be another 30 years of global disorder and destruction and so it’s the best we have.
Perhaps the US needs the Empire to “prosper” in the way it has, but I think if you really are familiar with history you will see that, that kind of prosperity is frequently an illusion and ultimately destructive to both prosperity and civilization.
A true debacle in Ukraine, for US policy, as I am hoping to see, will have huge consequences for Americas fake economy, as it leads inevitably to the loss of USD Reserve status.
The shock to American society will perhaps be as devastating as the 10 years the people of Russia suffered with the collapse of the USSR, but I dont think anyone could claim that most Russians are not better off now than they were.
Vain as it might be, that is my hope for America. It’s a simple acknowledgement that it will take a huge shock and prolonged disaster to discredit those who control the levers of power in America today and indeed, to discredit those very levers that distort our nation.

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Apr 4 2023 22:53 utc | 115

I just assume that anyone working for the “big press” in the States is either a CIA lickspittle willing to work for Langley out of some misguided notion of patriotism or is in fact a paid flunky for that corrupt spook outfit. CIA has destroyed honesty in America and has used media giants to accomplish its evil mission.

Posted by: Jack Gordon | Apr 4 2023 23:07 utc | 116

I might have some sympathy for the wsj regarding their journalists motives if they had a series on the US military industrial factories. Where is their conversations with workers in these. What do they say about where the destructive weapons they have been making have been going to?
What’s good for the goose as they say or are they just simple cia/old imperial fronts?
A journalist asking questions openly and reporting is not in my opinion invalid.
But like charity, if that can’t start at home, especially with ‘foreign’ journalists or bloggers then it is sheer hypocrisy. I’ll even say that self selected Great Arbitrator – Twitter’s Musk ought to make his opinion on the following very clear.
Release Assange for a starter. Or they have no leg to stand on.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 4 2023 23:27 utc | 117

[.]the Russian war blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, real name Maxim Fomin, was killed in a terrorist attack in St Petersburg.[.] The cafe was owned by PMC Wagner chief Evgeniy Prigozhin.[.]
@ b. Missed you. Welcome back.
1000 big hugs waiting at the Bar.
Interesting that the cafe is owned by Prigozhin.
Connecting the dots now….
When the RF flag was raised over the administrative building in Bakhmut it was dedicated to Vladlen Tatarsky. Putin also awarded posthumously the Order of Courage for his work.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has posthumously awarded Vladlen Tatarsky, a prominent Russian war correspondent and blogger, the Order of Courage. Tatarsky was recognized “for the courage and bravery he displayed in line of his professional duty,” a presidential order published on Monday said.

will omit the link. In recent days, comments with certain banned links such as r and t do not appear.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 4 2023 23:29 utc | 118

@109 : Russia is so relaxed ..
Believe, RU is not so relaxed as You may assume,
they have a new strategy in SMO Ops that the UKR won-t have discovered, before to react with all NATO capabilities – next week their is no offensive on either side .,
but preparation of that ., there won-t be an offensive. But a slaughter fight onto that 2 towns ..
Intel / Sat / GPS is 1 thing, fighting by JoyStick , fighting on ground going ahead by mined areas is aother aspect on war.

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 4 2023 23:52 utc | 119

@ Likklemore | Apr 4 2023 23:29 utc | 115
Substitute http://www.swentr.site for r & t. 😉

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 4 2023 23:53 utc | 120

@karlof1 #71
From Hudson as you cited:
Now that I’ve had some time to think about this problem, even if financial institutions don’t benefit from the New Cold War directly, what is at stake on a broad systemic level is today’s U.S.-centered finance capitalism and its control of world trade and investment. that control is now threatened by other countries being driven out of the U.S.-European system. But it need not have isolated the U.S. banks and economy from the rest of the world. That is a result of the amazingly short-sighted U.S. grab of Russia’s $300+ billion financial assets in the West.
Fully agree with Hudson. This act, more than any other including War/SMO in Ukraine , is the main driver of the rush from the Dollar (and the petro-dollar) in RoW – the fear of who might be next let alone the starving Afghans and their pilfered €7 billion which could feed quiet a few. And it will create real angst for US debt and its bond market over time … and another banking crash – it has also accelerated the consummate Co-Habitation of Russian and Chines elites …
On India … I like this girl Palki Sharma – might invite her to a dinner date [still waiting in rapt expectation for a response from Maria – prob playing hard-to-get – I’m patient] but we are still far from a friendly China/India partnership even within SCO … India is becoming very pivotal in geopolitical economic terms …
Yuan Vs US Dollar | Arunachal Pradesh: China’s New Dare | Trump Charged | Vantage With Palki Sharma​
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRzeceQfNIs

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 4 2023 23:54 utc | 121

Dan Farrand | Apr 4 2023 22:53 utc | 112
The shock to American society will perhaps be as devastating as the 10 years the people of Russia suffered with the collapse of the USSR
If you’re lucky.
Russians in the 90s were well “prepped” for the 90s.
Within a century they’d had their monarch overthrown, WW1+ civil war, the famine known as “Holodomor” continued communism and repression,WW2, Stalinism, and then the long slide through the 80s to the collapse of the SU and then the pillage by the U$ in collusion with home-grown opportunists (oligarchs).
The U$ has known none of this.
People are very far from the mental resilience and familial networks that existed (and still do) in Russia.
Russia survived on the backs of babuskas.
Resourceful women who can turn a single turnip into a feast for 10.
Women who created networks -rat lines- for the circulation of food and clothing and essentials.
Of course this exists in some small way in the U$, but I see first the U$ descending into chaos in large cities where crime is already violent and indiscriminate.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 4 2023 23:58 utc | 122

@ Don Firineach | Apr 4 2023 23:54 utc | 118 with the response to karlof1’s Michael Hudson link
I responded to that interview over on the most recent Open Thread and encourage you to join discussion over there

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2023 0:07 utc | 123

From Slavyangrad:

The bomb that killed Tatarsky was handed over in Moscow
Channel “Fontanka” has learned the details of Daria Trepova’s interrogation. We are publishing its details.
Daria Trepova lived an ordinary life, following the news agenda. She mostly read Ukrainian telegram channels. Then she hooked up with a certain activist. She was offered a position as an editor at one of the media outlets in Kiev. But to do so, she had to complete an internship, to prove that she knew how to fight Russian propaganda here and now.
Her first assignment was to go to the bookstore Listva and meet Vladlen Tatarsky there. Afterwards, she provides a photo report: Daria and the patriotic leader. She completed it and received credit.
A little later, she was instructed to advance to Moscow, where she was handed the “secret thing” by a taxi driver. According to Fontanka, the taxi driver had no idea what he was doing. As for the homemade explosive device, it was also ordered through a “cart,” paid for, and the master was already anonymously shipped to the right intermediary at the right time.
Back in St. Petersburg, Daria remotely received a new assignment: a meeting with Tatarsky on the Universitetskaya Embankment. As for the parcel, they wrote: “Hand over the bust, say something about the heroes of the Wagner PMC, and from that moment we’ll take charge ourselves.” And for all this “performance,” she was given an air ticket from Pulkovo to Uzbekistan, promising that she would be safely transported from Asia to Ukraine.
She said she did not know about the bomb, only guessing that it was “something bad.” According to the manual, Trepova signaled her actions to messages, up to the point of handing over the bust. All the while, she was known to be in close proximity to the package where the explosive device was embedded. It was a sort of solid alibi for her.
It just happened so that Vladlen Tatarsky alone was killed, while there should have been five or six victims, including Trepovaherself. It was at that moment that she realized a fact, which she would repeatedly claim later: “I have been set up.”
The bomb technicians who are doing the investment and examination, a procedure that takes a long time, must confirm that the bomb was activated from a distance—it had a SIM card embedded in it.
When Daria, shell-shocked, emerged from the wrecked club with everyone else, she had already figured it out. Simplistically, she was considered expendable. For the first few hours, she was sure that she had killed many people, so she took chaotic actions: she staggered around Vasilievsky Island, hailed a taxi, and drove to the North Valley housing estate, where a friend of her formal spouse lived. She waited for a breakdown and got it on the morning of April 3.
Her testimony prompted the investigation to reclassify the criminal case as “terrorism.” Even if the specific person with whom she was liaising is established, it is on Ukrainian territory.
#done_fontank for @fontankaspb
https://t.me/fontankaspb/37236
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Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 5 2023 0:08 utc | 124

Two (2) days ago….Fox just has Laura Ballman….ex-CIA….national security expert….founder Capital Art Strategies….talking about that evil Putin grabbing the “wsj journalist”….unfortunately for her….she mentioned that she herself was a journalist before becoming a CIA operative…..
Oppsss….!!!!

Posted by: Ed356 | Apr 5 2023 0:20 utc | 125

Malaysia wants to create an Asian Monetary Fund and is backed up by China
2 mins
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kTEGx1qj-08

Posted by: Don Firineach | Apr 5 2023 0:21 utc | 126

“…the famine known as “Holodomor”…” Melaleuca@119
There were several famines in Russia in this period. Most of them were caused by wartime disruptions to agriculture and trade. Some were caused by climatic conditions.
The one to which you refer was an invention by the Nazis, churning out anti-communist propaganda, later elaborated by Ukrainian fascist nationalists and systematised by academics working for imperialism in the Cold War.
I’m surprised at someone who posts here so often and so usefully helping to give more mileage to the H——or nonsense, which is, currently, central to the Ukrainian anti Russian propaganda campaigns responsible for the attacks on the Donbas, inhabited by ‘Russians.
In fact if there was one power responsible for the failures to bring aid to Ukraine and Russia generally during the famine years it was the Uited States which rrfused to accept the gold proferred by the Soviet Union to buy surplus grain on the international market.
The US and Germany and the European ‘democracies’ sanctioned trade in the hope that it would lead to mass stsrvation and, subsequently, regime change. plus ca change.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2023 0:23 utc | 127

As regular MoA barfly Bevin has observed in previous comments threads, Evan Gershkovich’s case bears comparison (if not actually being parallel to) the case of Julian Assange, languishing in a high security prison at Belmarsh in the UK.
At least Assange published material leaked to him by an intel analyst that happened to be in the public interest. There was no intent on either Assange’s part or Chelsea Manning’s part to snoop around classified US files looking for information about US military capabilities or US military activities in Iraq on behalf of another organisation.
Why on earth would Gershkovich travel all the way to Yekaterinburg to interview employees at particular factories that he surely must have known was producing tanks and missiles, supposedly about how they “feel” about Russia invading Ukraine? (This is surely some sort of code to cover the real reason he went to Yekaterinburg.) That he travelled to a particular city and went to particular factories or workplaces to find his interview subjects must be speaking volumes to the Russian security forces.
Now the onus is surely on the US to work out how to retrieve Gershkovich and any other of its “journalists” traipsing around Russia wanting to interview particular members of the public on what and how they “feel” about Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 5 2023 0:23 utc | 128

Posted by: Drifter | Apr 4 2023 21:42 utc | 104
Good post.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 4 2023 23:58 utc | 119
Yes, urban chaos in the US is a distinct goal of the social engineers. And yes, family structures and strength of character have been in serious decline in the US since FDR’s time.
Perhaps great difficulty is precisely what the US needs. Divine Providence is still at work even when blindness to it prevails.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make weak men.
Weak men make bad times.
Bad times make strong men.
The next decade, if anyone survives it, will tell.

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 5 2023 0:29 utc | 129

Daria Trepova’s defense
@Petri Krohn | Apr 5 2023 0:08 utc | 121

She said she did not know about the bomb, only guessing that it was “something bad.”

Someone wrote, that Trepova thought that the bust contained a hidden listening device. I also read somewhere that Daria Trepova and Evan Gershovitch are represented by the same defense attorney. I wonder if his defense in Trepova’s case will be that eavesdropping on a “military commissar” is a legal form of journalism.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 5 2023 0:40 utc | 130

I think the remarks of Prigozhin in this case are premature and too harsh about Darya Trepova since she may have been duped herself. Everyone is likely to make errors in the chaotic war environment. Blaming each other and being psychotic is not going yo help with cohesion and mutual trust. I think it is best to use the event to learn something and to move on. The sponsor of this war is called the Empire of Chaos for good reasons.

Posted by: Richard L | Apr 5 2023 0:44 utc | 131

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 5 2023 0:29 utc | 126
And yes, family structures and strength of character have been in serious decline in the US since FDR’s time.
based on what? The people in FDR’s time knew considerable hardship and change. I don’t see any diving providence at work here, any more than divine providence had a role in the wrecking of Russian society in the 1990’s.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 5 2023 0:45 utc | 132

bevin | Apr 5 2023 0:23 utc | 124 + Melaleuca @119

“…the famine known as “Holodomor”…” Melaleuca@119
There were several famines in Russia in this period.

The Holodomor is a hoax. The real event is the Soviet famine of 1932. The Holodomor is a retelling of the famine using a Holocaust narrative, with Stalin playing the role of Hitler.

Ukraine explained: The Holodomor Hoax

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 5 2023 0:46 utc | 133

Armchair general and “ex”CIA man Larry Johnson tried to claim that Russia acted “stupidly” by detaining Gershkovich, and, in fact, should have thrown open its production facilities to him, because this would allegedly overawe the “west” into submission:
https://sonar21.com/evan-gershkovich-meet-mr-julian-assange/
The backlash from his readership (go to comments) to this drivel was severe enough that he then had to write a self exculpatory follow up article.
In today’s Western world there are no journalists. There are only paid regime stenographers and spies. Guess which Gershkovich was.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 5 2023 0:50 utc | 134

bevin | Apr 5 2023 0:23 utc | 124
The one to which you refer was an invention by the Nazis,
I know.
That’s why it is written [“] holomodor [“]
I do post frequently, and the point of my post was addressing the century of travails that has forged Russian resilience.
I didn’t in that post intend a diversion into a PhD on “holomodor”.
It was indeed a nod to the severe drought in the SU that actually was global… experienced here in Australia and in the US.
I was also being cautious, because any passing reference to capricious historical weather patterns triggers the climate debate, of which there has been a decade (at least) of discussion here … and is OT for a Ukraine thread
[not that the “climate” chorus ever care]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 5 2023 1:19 utc | 135

I haven’t read all the comments yet, apologies if this has already been suggested.
Usually in times of war spies are executed. The sentence could be commuted and the spy could be swapped for Julian Assange at a later date.
Assuming Assange agrees.

Posted by: Paul GV | Apr 5 2023 1:27 utc | 136

“Citing a 1977 law that banned CIA recruitment of journalists, Beebe argued that it is “very unlikely that Gershkovich is a U.S. intelligence asset or that his reporting was directed or influenced by the U.S. Intelligence Community.” ”
Note the wording: the law bans the CIA from recruiting journalists to become spies.
But what if Gershkovich was a “spy who has always been undercover as a journalist”?
We’ve seen similar massaging of messages when Biden’s Brains Trust recruited “normal” Navy divers to blow up the Nord Stream pipelines, thereby bypassing the legal requirement to inform Congress of a covert action.
A similar argument could be made here: Gershkovich was a spy who has spent his career pretending to be a journalist, he was never a journalist that the CIA approached to moonlight as a spy. That 1977 therefore does not apply, and anyone pointing to that law as “evidence” of his innocence is simply telling an untruth.
Splitting hairs, I know, but to that I’d reply with three words: Nord Stream Sabotague.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 5 2023 1:35 utc | 137

And. While I’m posting in a spasm of irritation (nowhere near RSH levels)..
Can *everyone* please stop with the SwAP aSsaNgE bullshit.
Assange is an Australian citizen incarcerated in Britain under orders from the U$.
He is not a Russian citizen, nor was he a Russian intel asset.
He is nothing to Russia.
We can want Assange released
We can see the hypocrisy of the “5eyes Rules Based International Order”.
Assange is our problem.
He simply does not exist for Russia.
The recent Griner § Bout trade showed the Russians being extremely legalistic and only interested in “reciprocal” prisoner exchanges for *their* citizens.
The government that is legally and morally obligated to demand the release of Assange is his Australian government.
Direct your ire and pleading where it belongs.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 5 2023 1:45 utc | 138

Related is this piece at Strategic Culture
Kiev’s Kristallnacht Haven’t we been here before?

Zelensky’s Kristallnacht against old women and older priests will have stirred the same passions in Gerasimov’s troops that the Nazis and Napoleon’s storm troopers did in Russian men and women of earlier times. Heaven help anyone who gets in their way.

Women at prayer being terrorised by devils in human form. Kiev Churches being sacked. Kiev priests being roughed up. Haven’t we been here before?
November 1938. Kristallnacht, the Night of Broken Glass, an orgy of Nazi violence when even the most blinkered of Germany’s Jews were left under no illusions regarding what awaited them. If they saw any of that, British and Irish tourists, who were still pouring into Germany, sheepishly looked away. It wasn’t their problem; they were there to drink, make merry and have a good time. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
Fast forward to Zelensky’s rump Reich, where the tourism sector is enjoying a bumper year as the Reich’s fat cats, taking a break from snorting their nose candy, amuse themselves and their mistresses on Lviv’s ski slopes. Dear Lviv, scene of countless Kristallnachts that helped lay the groundwork for today’s outrages.
You have probably seen the videos of Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, Kiev’s
Monastery of the Caves, where Orthodox Christians have worshipped for the last 1,000 years. It is as much a part of their fibre as Jerusalem’s Church of the Holy Sepulchre is to Palestine’s Christians or Al Aqsa Mosque is to that country’s Muslims. A place of prayer and pilgrimage, of quiet devotion and novenas to Our Lady of Vladimir, Our Lady of Kazan, the Holy Trinity of Rublev and, of course, Theotókos of Smolensk authored, it is said by St Luke the Evangelist but destroyed by Hitler’s Nazis whose worst elements, it seems, have arisen from their graves to again haunt the Russians of Ukraine.
[.]
And not that different from the scum who blew up Vladlen Tatarsky in St Petersburg or journalist Darya Dugina in Moscow. What is interesting about those two murders is how the BBC and other NATO mouthpieces boast about it, as if, to use the parlance of the IRA, Tatarsky and Dugina were “legitimate targets” and if, by extension, that bravest and holiest of Kiev women was also one of NATO’s legitimate targets.[.]
No matter whether it is Russia or NATO’s Ukrainian proxies who launch the first spring offensive and irrespective of who else dies, Gerasimov’s Army will see to it that this war ends very badly for those who bullied that woman and those priests. Although their crimes are indefensible, to the Wagner Group and their chums, whose mothers and grand mothers would like to pray to their icons at Kiev’s Monastery of the Caves, that point is moot. [.]
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/04/04/kiev-kristallnacht/

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 5 2023 2:01 utc | 139

Melaleuca@132
Fair enough I have no desire to quarrel. I simply misinterpreted your contribution. I’m glad that I did.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2023 2:17 utc | 140

Dear guys here – COME DOWN !
We are here discussing the issue of SMO, some marked it as misunderstood as a war.
A war is what you & me newer has experienced, rather on comp-games nor at real hunger-feeling soldiers.
what-s it, is:
Both sides have just now a small timespan to decide what a so-called offensive operations may be performed on which and on what power targets should be done.
All beside – assasination of Mr. Piano-Player and his currently commanding guys is a task that is scheduled at a later stage. Kept that ? ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Apr 5 2023 2:20 utc | 141

135
and what became of the australian pm pre election promise to bring the assange subject up? post election he went balls deep into usa sub purchases so i doubt the uncomfortable subject was mentioned again

Posted by: hankster | Apr 5 2023 2:31 utc | 142

@ Petri Krohn | Apr 5 2023 0:46 utc | 130
thanks petri..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2023 2:35 utc | 143

All Americans should have left Russia after the war started. I think he was foolish to even be on the ground there and don’t really care whether he was or wasn’t a spy.
We’re at war with Russia – GTFO

Posted by: GoFast | Apr 5 2023 2:48 utc | 144

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 5 2023 0:29 utc | 126
Ships used to be made of wood. Men were once made of steel.
That is not a homage to Ioseb Dzhugashvili.

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 5 2023 3:13 utc | 145

Posted by: Ciaran | Apr 5 2023 0:29 utc | 126
And yes, family structures and strength of character have been in serious decline in the US since FDR’s time.
based on what? The people in FDR’s time knew considerable hardship and change. I don’t see any diving providence at work here, any more than divine providence had a role in the wrecking of Russian society in the 1990’s.
Posted by: pretzelattack
As best as I can recall the name of the book is Bowling Alone. It documents the decline in civic behavior that took place during the twentieth century. Private association is nearly dead compared to how active it used to be. Plus extended families are very nearly gone.
Strength of character is harder to define, but what is apparent to me is that we have gone from a society of citizens to a society of consumers. People now rely almost completely on the output and organization of industrial society. Any kind of general breakdown and there is no backup.

Posted by: Jmaas | Apr 5 2023 3:21 utc | 146

Apologies for not reading several pages of commentary before posting, but Blinken calling Gershkovich a “citizen journalist” seems weird to me. Doesn’t that term basically equate to “blogger” rather than an actual “journalist” employed by a newspaper?

Posted by: Louisa | Apr 5 2023 3:25 utc | 147

Why do people sanctify FDR? On this blog I learned that one of his progenitors was involved in the Opium wars. Hat tip to Jen, I think.
Didn’t he confiscate gold? And what about Executive Order 9066?
What a joke.
Dime in the jukebox. On-U Sound classic!
Mark Stewart & the Mafia – None Dare Call It Conspiracy

Posted by: lex talionis | Apr 5 2023 3:38 utc | 148

Congratulations b, as sharp as ever.
Posted by: Paco | Apr 4 2023 15:24 utc | 19
You nailed it Paco.
Keep on doing what you do well b. Many that I used to read, when I could read, have become bogged down in Bakhmut. The Russian cat playing with the Nato mouse.
My wife and kids brought home a kitten one time. He turned out to be like Murray Ball’s horse. Bloody cat would drop mice in my boots. He jumped on my heads and when I tried to pull him off he sunk his claws in. He gave me more cheek than my son.
Keep on doing what you do best b.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 3:58 utc | 149

Not a red flag but to be noted is according to Wiki Gershovitch graduated from Bowdoin, a top ranked private liberal arts school in New England. My niece went to Bowdoin and it is generally known as a little ivy. It is also generally known that American elite universities are a breeding ground for spook recruitment.

Posted by: Jun | Apr 5 2023 4:10 utc | 150

When you have the likes of Boris Johnston being employed briefly as a “Journalist” before getting fired for lying (what a surprise, Bojo lied!) you know the game is screwed. MI5 / MI6 actively recruit from the top Universities and individuals are pushed into these positions ahead of other better qualified contestants due to their background.
I had the prospectus for Gordonstoun a few years back – “54% of our alumni secure careers in media and the arts”. In other words Daddy’s friend works for thevTimes, Guardian, the BBC. I guess they can now add to the alumni “Became King of Britain”
Such a sad day when as a UK citizen my news sources for world affairs are various telegram channeks and geopolitics clogged.

Posted by: Al Dossary | Apr 5 2023 4:25 utc | 151

@ lex talionis | Apr 5 2023 3:38 utc | 145
lex.. keep on posting the music links.. nice respite and i dig the tunes..
paco and peter.. right on..

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2023 5:02 utc | 152

Asking workers in a military plant how they feel about the war sounds to me to be looking for someone to turn to spying. Why else seek the opinion of these people in particular?

Posted by: Michael Doliner | Apr 5 2023 5:12 utc | 153

Patroklos | Apr 4 2023 20:50 utc | 92 “Meanwhile back in Australia Assange is out of sight and out of mind. Utterly utterly shameful.”
Paco “Sacred cows are falling,”
Two words – democracy and Human rights. Three words.The embodiment of conception management.
Democracy in its dictionary definition is good. Demonocracy in its CIA definition is not so good.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 5:44 utc | 154

@ Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 5:44 utc | 151 who wrote

Democracy in its dictionary definition is good. Demonocracy in its CIA definition is not so good.

Good words! You haven’t destroyed all your brain cells yet and I hope you don’t until you want to
Be well and thanks for your ongoing participation at the bar.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 5 2023 6:02 utc | 155

@Likklemore | Apr 4 2023 23:29 utc | 115

Russian President Vladimir Putin has posthumously awarded Vladlen Tatarsky, a prominent Russian war correspondent and blogger, the Order of Courage. Tatarsky was recognized “for the courage and bravery he displayed in line of his professional duty,” a presidential order published on Monday said.
will omit the link. In recent days, comments with certain banned links such as r and t do not appear.

The last possibly more due to your ISP rather than MOA.
Suspect in Tatarsky ‘terror attack’ remanded in custody
Darya Trepova, the prime suspect in the murder of prominent Russian military blogger Vladlen Tatarsky, has been placed in pre-trial detention. The decision was announced by a Moscow court on Tuesday, shortly after Trepova was charged with terrorism by Russia’s Investigative Committee.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 6:17 utc | 156

Keep writing b.
So many simple minds now are fixated on Bakhmut.
We have watched as western media placed an idiot child on as throne of importance. Now western media says the comedian says this and the comedian says that.
Russia and China have a good vision for the future. They have the economic and military power to destroy the empire of lies.keep up the good work b.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 6:26 utc | 157

Maybe the assassination was a UKR hit inside Russia to give hope to the folks back home.
“Oh, yeah, we’re all that”! morale-booster to degenerate UKR society, a distraction from the shredding of a generation of Ukrainian young men at line zero.

Posted by: Richard Whitney | Apr 5 2023 6:36 utc | 158

@Melaleuca | Apr 5 2023 1:45 utc | 135
So true about the Assange swap nonsense. He is suffering a crime committed against him as a journalist by UK, US, Australia and to some degree Sweden. His case is completely unrelated to Russia.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 6:38 utc | 159

psychohistorian | Apr 5 2023 6:02 utc | 152
Sadly my brain cells still continue to function.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 6:41 utc | 160

Interesting.
Due to the inherent basic insecure nature of the flawed mobile cell phone “sim card”. Which is a mini micro processor complete with eeprom storage memory*. Nominally tasked to record all downloaded/send text messages. *also useful for storage of Google(nsa agent)Andy/ioS spyware/tracking/voice id software.
The modern cell phones sim card has one very specific inherent design flaw. Using a relatively easy to build simple electronic device. One can record the intended victims SIM/IMSAI…. unique id codes. Required for SIM card cloning? Allowing one to sent the prepared spyware to be loaded into the Sim card eeprom memory. From it’s always on line duplicate clone.
By using the victims own phone. Ensures a one hit one kill tracking missile up your six. Hence at this point in time Israel’s Gestapo variant are tracking and killing The Iranian key military officers in Syria. From Android/IOS back door super user software loaded in to the memory on boot.
All you need is simple electronic cheap hardware to record both the phone/sim each individual programmed IMS…. unique cellular ID codes. The rest is history. USSA Reaper drone “KILL ALL NON COMBATANT FUTURE TERRORISTS MENTALITY”. Africom command does the same thing in Yemen/all over Africa.
There are simple ways and means to circumvent this evil Israel Gestapo assassination by missile methodology.
Once tracking trojan software is loaded the target for assassination. Can be slain by a mere push of a button. By missiles and or fighter jets firing missiles below the shadowing innocent commercial jets traversing the Med. Completely ignoring the reality that another countries HF OTH-B is viewing these attacks in real time.
Back in country 404. Two systems exist side and work together. One is the BE50 airborne AWACS. The other is ground based. Situated a very long way from the battlefield(AN EMR PHYSICS THING). This particular variety of radar can track the Europa bound flight of a do not exceed Mach 3.2 SR71A. On the other side of the Atlantic Ocean Pond and back to New York.
When any plane flies in country 404 friend or foe. Are all automatically tracked and tagged. For the losers! The reward is. A mach 4+ air to air missile straight up the loser pilots six mounted exhaust port. Even when flying nap of the earth helicopter/SU-24 style-

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Apr 5 2023 6:51 utc | 161

@Michael Doliner | Apr 5 2023 5:12 utc | 150

Asking workers in a military plant how they feel about the war sounds to me to be looking for someone to turn to spying. Why else seek the opinion of these people in particular?

Probably multiple reasons, one being trying to create chaos by embarrassing military plant workers answering this guys questions about their “feelings”. A Twitter-style provocation, except it isn’t Twitter anymore.
A common denominator for much of this stuff is people doing things that require they first lose contact with reality, they act within the “reality” of their own bubble, not realizing it exists only in their own mind.
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.” – Karl Rove

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 6:55 utc | 162

Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 6:38 utc | 15
Agent K and five eyes. The nature of the beast. Cambodia was smart. They demolished Australian spying… sorry – aid. Much huff and puff in oz media when Cambodia demolished Australian ‘aid’.
We watch this stuff. Corruption at its zenith.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 7:01 utc | 163

Posted by: Paco | Apr 4 2023 21:00 utc | 95
Tatarsky and Dugina have in common that they were non-state influencers with little or no security. I wonder how many of the same are being shadowed, have their appearances infiltrated etc.
And this Grozev character, with his media access, his own clownish foray into operational espionage, targeting Russian pilots. and his remarks on Tatarsky’s murder, I am immediately suspicious of just how close he might be to the operational aspects of this strategy of assassination.
Posted by: Ed356 | Apr 5 2023 0:20 utc | 122
Lloyd Christmas is a skirt.

Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 5 2023 7:06 utc | 164

Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 6:41 utc | 157
I completely understand, it’s a bastard being a thinker as there is no going back to positions after thinking. While I think it is a good thing to think, it is also a curse as it is an unsettling experience and it makes you very unpopular. Maybe that’s why there seems to be so little of it around these days.
I sometimes wish I had been born a fool, life would have been so much simpler and I wouldn’t have even noticed my own stupidity.
Years ago Alexi Sayle did a god riff on just that. More true than funny but still pretty funny.

Posted by: ZimZum | Apr 5 2023 7:09 utc | 165

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 4 2023 20:03 utc | 84
lol at him getting his undies twisted by “Taiwan Province of China” being measured at all. A guy who spends all his time weeping about others interjecting myths into history being this mad that an….area….with almost as many people as Australia would dare be included in a metric is pretty funny.

Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Apr 5 2023 7:11 utc | 166

America brought two horses two many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYLfK8GSr0
Enrico was Italian, but I find it amazing holly wood recorded the demise of the american empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 7:15 utc | 167

posted by Paco Apr 4 2023 21:00 utc “the people that contained the storm”. Yes. Thank you for remembering them.

Posted by: mama shortlegs | Apr 5 2023 8:31 utc | 168

There were several famines in Russia in this period. Most of them were caused by wartime disruptions to agriculture and trade. Some were caused by climatic conditions.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 5 2023 0:23 utc | 124
The central cause of the famine in Ukraine and other grain producing regions during the 1932/33 period was the forced collectivisation of the agricultural land and the liquidation of the Kulaks in 1931 which occurred as a direct result of Soviet ideology. The existence of the Kulaks was incompatible with Soviet ideology and were dealt with accordingly.
But as a communist ideologue you can’t bring yourself to admit this.

Posted by: Down South | Apr 5 2023 8:43 utc | 169

@ Down South | Apr 5 2023 8:43 utc | 166

Everyone underestimates the Kulak’s spite.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 5 2023 8:47 utc | 170

# 159
That Karl Rove quote, betrays the need for “certainty” about reality
The moment reality is perceived, the next moment it’s destroyed
And so on, and so on………………..
Like progress is not linear
The humans alive now “the latest”is no evidence that we the smartest
Or new and improved
Take a look around, the world is broken

Posted by: Dingo | Apr 5 2023 8:58 utc | 171

So now England is blocking UN webcast on discussion about Ukraine and Russia. What do they don’t want us to know?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/britain-blocks-un-webcast-of-russian-meeting-on-ukraine/ar-AA19twyg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=03ce601347ab498aac4829d2fb593de0&ei=28

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 5 2023 9:08 utc | 172

143 – I don’t know about strength of character necessarily being greater in the Depression/FDR time. Desperate times, some did desperate things. Before he made it as an actor, Robert Mitchum “rode the rails” looking for work and spent time in hobo camps. He later recalled that in one such camp a hobo was prostituting his own 11-year old daughter at 10 cents a time.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 5 2023 9:21 utc | 173

# 169
Possibly that the west’s narrative of the conflict is FUBAR
And a more sympathetic ear for the russian perspective

Posted by: Dingo | Apr 5 2023 9:33 utc | 174

Maria Zacharova writes on legitimate targets.
UK Undersecretary of Defense James Hippie: “It is absolutely legal for Ukraine to strike deep into Russia to disrupt logistics, if these supplies are not disrupted, this will directly lead to death and bloodshed on the territory of Ukraine.”
Do we understand correctly that for the sake of “disrupting the logistics of military supplies” Russia can strike at military targets on the territory of those NATO countries that supply weapons to the Kyiv regime? After all, this directly leads to death and bloodshed on the territory of Ukraine. As far as I understand, Britain is one of these countries.
The “depth of flight” of the thought of the leadership of the British Ministry of Defense is second only to the intelligence of the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of this country.

Posted by: hankster | Apr 5 2023 9:34 utc | 175

95 – Sacred cows indeed.
Initially I thought Martyanov’s tendency to rant was just an eccentricity that did not offset his value as a pro-Russian commentator. But his spewing venom at Tatarsky after his death just indicates that Martyanov is a piece of shit.
Anyway, I doubt whether someone who lives in Seattle now and last served in the armed forces decades ago has any special knowledge or qualifications.
Of course, it is hard to get any pro-Russian comment, at least in the English language.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 5 2023 9:48 utc | 176

Darya Trepova, the St. Petersburg cafe bomber, is treated as a hero in Finnish media. https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/venajan-pommi-iskusta-epailty-kertoo-miten-sai-rajahteen-kahvilaan-video-nayttaa-kaaoksen-heti-rajahdyksen-jalkeen/8668676
The result will be, I suppose, that events like this will eventually serve as a casus belli sooner rather than later. How it will be done in this golden age of pretzel logic is another matter. The coverage in Finnish media of terrorist attacks in Russia in general has been quite positive, at first because they were regarded as a sign that Putin’s power is crumbling. Now that the country is a NATO member it is quite likely that the country will be used as a launching pad for more attacks like this until it gets involved in a direct clash with Russia.
And then there is the irresistability of blaming Russia for everything, like the Nord Stream pipeline explosions.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Apr 5 2023 10:05 utc | 177

The BBC is as usual quick with a premature suggestion without any proof:
“In video released by authorities – most likely recorded under duress – Darya Trepova is heard admitting she handed over a statuette that later blew up.”
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65161095
posted by Nutski | Apr 4 2023 14:51 utc | 4
video of terror attack in “Street Café” St. Petersburg
Was the Navalnyite under duress when she handed the bomb to Tatarsky?

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Apr 5 2023 10:06 utc | 178

The BBC is as usual quick with a premature suggestion without any proof:
“In video released by authorities – most likely recorded under duress – Darya Trepova is heard admitting she handed over a statuette that later blew up.”
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65161095
posted by Nutski | Apr 4 2023 14:51 utc | 4
video of the terror attack in “Street Café, St.Petersburg
Under duress?

Posted by: Moscow Exile | Apr 5 2023 10:17 utc | 179

Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 5 2023 1:45 utc | 135, in regard to proposal for ‘Assange swop’…
…completely agree and having read Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 6:38 utc | 156, we too agree. Mr Assange is being held without charge in a vassal state of the American empire, which is located on the western islands of the Europeon [intended misspelling] sub-continent. Unfortunately for him, he is a living example of the illegal persecution by a corrupt[ed] legal process carried out by imperial lackeys of the aforementioned empire. His incarceration is a constant reminder of the morality that defines the ‘rules based order’ of that empire to the RoW.
Posted by: Louisa | Apr 5 2023 3:25 utc | 144, who pointed out the strange/implanted notion that said ‘journalist’ was the equivalent of a blogger by Bidonopolis, which could suggest that such an exchange might be proposed.
On another point, in as much as the CIA reporter claimed to be an ‘investigative journalist’, the lie is obvious because here in the evil empire no such entity exists in the M$M.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Apr 5 2023 10:29 utc | 180

Posted by: hankster | Apr 5 2023 9:34 utc | 172 “Do we understand correctly that for the sake of “disrupting the logistics of military supplies” Russia can strike at military targets on the territory of those NATO countries that supply weapons to the Kyiv regime?”
They certainly can do that. But it might not be wise given the trouble they have had to strike at the military supplies even in western Ukraine. Plus that might bring Finland into the war with the rest of NATO.

Posted by: Response1 | Apr 5 2023 10:50 utc | 181

Why aren’t there more people here supporting Free Assange on the web? All so afraid the CIA will go after them?
And thank you B for hosting this site – no job is easy if it goes on every single day and you have to swim against the current…
So let us all continue to investigate in order to create a better world – if we get too cynical for that endeavour everything collapses.
On another note, Intel Slava is back: https://t.me/s/intelslava

Posted by: Anthony | Apr 5 2023 11:08 utc | 182

There are those who know 4D chess (whatever that is), and those who know draughts / checkers. Lets assume that the majority know draughts / checkers and the minority know chess. The aim in draughts is to annihilate the opponent, while the aim in chess is to checkmate the opponent. Therefore the majority in Russia just want their opponents in Ukraine annihilated, while the minority favour some sexy checkmate moves. So of course the majority in Russia are not so enthralled with Putin’s SloMO checkmate tactics in Ukraine, the majority just want heavy handed annihilation.
Old Russell “Texas” Bentley is definitely on the draughts / checkers annihilation side, while the Saker, Orlov and Martyanov are definitely on the slow insidious checkmate side. The SloMO side kindof resent the wannabe warlords of dubious backgrounds in Lugansk for trying to force Russia’s hand, while for the draughts side anyone who fights against the UkroNazi’s and dies is a saint. There is truth on both sides.
Both sides want Ukraine defeated, they just differ in their timelines and approach. Heck, the SloMO side didn’t even want the Russians going into Ukraine, because of the cost aspect and because Hitler went into Poland and started WW2 after the Poles were killing Germans there. The SloMO side felt that Russia being lured into Ukraine to protect the Russians there was a ploy to start WW3, and that the wannabe warlords were in on this plot. But that is now a moot point since Russia is prepared for WW3 while the West isn’t. Its said that Russia was not prepared for WW1, nor for WW2, but Russia is definitely prepared for WW3.

Posted by: gT | Apr 5 2023 11:12 utc | 183

@ karlof1 105
Speaking as an electrician in England I don’t agree at all with the idea that the difficulty of a technical education puts students off. Most of us have a feel for what’s profitable or self-fulfilling and some people care more diligent in their calculations of benefit.
Looking at modern buildings which are made from light steel and plasterboard in a concrete frame, there is nothing sensible electrically about a 3 phase power supply inside a steel trellis. Grenfell was caused by broken neutral resulting in increased voltages from 240 volts towards 400 volts . A component of fridge couldn’t cope with 300 volts.
Just one example among millions , of construction design being run by mindless corporations for profit. The fact that rats occupy the space inside the plasterboard cage defies commonsense at many levels.
My point is that even if it were profitable the entire construction industry is now run by right wing, laissez fire morons.
In a solar PV world there is no mechanical necessity for 3 phase 400 volts. In China the entire concept of electrical energy and safety is being re-thought. Dinosaur right-wing market forces conflict thinking is being replaced by win win. Win win with Nature as well.
The essence of the Ukranian war is the failure of capitalism and its toxic work environment. The only thing the Capitalists can think of doing is doubling down on the workers to be more productive for less money. The logical conclusion to capitalism being that people are unprofitable and therefore expendable.
The only solution they have for their lust for power and greed is to cull the human species for costing too much.
Students’ gut feelings tell them where capitalist dinosaurism is heading: War.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 5 2023 11:15 utc | 184

Whatever the WSJ & the alphabet agencies burble is irrelevant as I’m sure of one thing; if we were to play let’s pretend, we wound time back a week and Evan Gershovitch did question a mob of Yekaterinburg workers totally unimpeed & through that obtaained accurate figures on both the number of T90 tanks plus the number of Kinzals ‘n

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 5 2023 11:18 utc | 185

180 – Martyanov does not “kind of resent the wannabe warlords of dubious backgrounds”, he actually called the recently killed Tatarsky a “scumbag”. Nor is he a 4D chess player – for him, NATO will lose because they are all want sex changes, and/or they do not understand Russian military doctrine like Martyanov does, after living a long time in the USA.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 5 2023 11:28 utc | 186

Turkish belly dancer Yes yes yes Dom Dom Grrrrr! says Yes Yes Yes.
The US frees journalist Julian Assange in exchange for Gershovitz. GOOD IDEA.

Posted by: Giyane | Apr 5 2023 11:33 utc | 187

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 5 2023 5:44 utc | 151 — “Democracy in its dictionary definition is good. Demonocracy in its CIA definition is not so good.”
Democracy — Leaders asking for, listening to, DOING the people’s will (eg. China).
“Democracy” — Holding fake elections every 4 years, DOING the leaders will (eg. USA)

Posted by: kiwiklown | Apr 5 2023 11:45 utc | 188

oops musta screwed up lemme finish:
Whatever the WSJ & the alphabet agencies burble is irrelevant as I’m sure of one thing; if we were to play let’s pretend so we wound time back a week and Evan Gershovitch did question a mob of Yekaterinburg workers totally unimpeded & through that obtained accurate figures on both the number of T90 tanks plus the number of Kinzals ‘n Zircon missiles they manufactured each week, then included how many of the workers believed that liberating their brothers & sisters in Ukraine wasn’t a goer, published that in Rupert Murdoch’s Wall St Journal rather than passing it on under the counter to one of the aforesaid agencies, only a cretin could conclude Evan Gershkovich had not engaged in espionage. I’m sure that others will have reached an identical conclusion.
The entire spiel which amerika’s so-called security agencies have been routine since Gershkovich’s arrest just doesn’t bear intelligent scrutiny – it is designed to fool those who wish to be fooled lest they lose confidence in the welter of lies they have been fed ever since they made the foolish & likely self centred choice of trusting whatever nonsense they had been told – well ahead of what blind Freddie could see was the truth.
One more thing; when Billmon pulled the pin on the whiskey bar, largely because of pressure he had copped from Dims, b was the only one of us to truly step up and provide a decent venue for all of us to continue our conversations. A number of us had a ‘bit of a go’ but it was only b. who not only provided the venue, he invested sufficient to ensure that the site was capable of providing space to put all our bickering, along with the right to allow one and all to say what we thought without fear of lame contradiction, silly pedantry or mindless trolls, a work which continues at least until now and most probably beyond.
No one lest of all b. is trying to foist anything shy of reality on any of us but but by the same token we must give b. appreciation for sticking to his guns. Believe what you like, but accept that some humans do act out of a desire to illustrate reality rather than the somewhat sappy notion that humans only exist to cater for them and theirs via the latest deceit.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 5 2023 12:01 utc | 189

Republicofscotland no. 169
They don’t want anyone to hear the other side explanation. Their narrative must not be challenged. Now this:
“Russian defector sheds light on Putin paranoia and his secret train network” (guardian)
(Just because you might be paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.)

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 5 2023 12:08 utc | 190

Slightly OT about Martyanov: I quit watching him long ago because I can’t stand his speech.
I think that people doing videos should give text transcripts of them instead of vid only. That applies to people like Ritter, McGregor, Duran, Berletic.
Reading is much faster, viewing vids takes hours.
Transcripts would likely increase audience.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 5 2023 12:25 utc | 191

@ Greg Galloway | Apr 5 2023 12:25 utc | 187
Wholly agree. Only rarely view talking head vids …

Posted by: Outraged | Apr 5 2023 12:33 utc | 192

@Greg Galloway | Apr 5 2023 12:25 utc | 187
“I think that people doing videos should give text transcripts of them instead of vid only. That applies to people like Ritter, McGregor, Duran, Berletic.
Reading is much faster, viewing vids takes hours.”

These people are individuals providing their analyses for free at considerable effort. If you think transcripts should be provided in addition you may want to offer your services (for free) to produce such transcripts.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 5 2023 12:35 utc | 193

Greg Galloway | Apr 5 2023 12:25 utc | 187
and @188 and @189
OFYI on YouTube there is a transcript usually available. Go to the drop down menu (near the video title) and a show transcript button should appear at the bottom.
The transcript is a bit tedious to use because it is a series of one liners from the closed captions.

Posted by: Jerr | Apr 5 2023 13:23 utc | 194

@Down South #166
As the leading researcher on agriculture and famines, Mark B. Tauger, has delivered ample evidence that
the cause of the’32-’33 famine was environmental, not “man-made”, but as an anti-communist ideologue you can’t bring yourself to admit this.

Posted by: zeke2u | Apr 5 2023 13:27 utc | 195

@ Drifter | 104

There are two narratives competing for or attention….

I’m not sure what planet you reside on, but there are far more than “two narratives competing for our attention.”
Also, the “narratives” you present are basically: submit to “technocrats” or submit to “multipolarity.”
Submitting to “technocrats” is a community-based decision: shall we allow technocrats to dominate our lives, our political system, our community decisions?
Submitting (or not submitting) to “multipolarity” means:
– Violent protests against foreign wars or…
– Violent protests against sanctions on other countries, or….
– Violent protests against Governmentally-enforced economic inequality, or…
I think you get my point:
You’re a well-financed troll.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 5 2023 13:28 utc | 196

@ Drifter | 104

Warriors like Vladlen represent the hopes and dreams of…

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 5 2023 13:43 utc | 197

The < /blockquote > tag should have followed “…he hopes and dreams of…”

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 5 2023 13:46 utc | 198

Welcome back b. I hope managed to get some needed rest.
“One hopes that one day the people of Ukraine will hold those responsible who had needlessly sent those soldiers into such fate (to account).” I hope so too. I saw a video of how a middle-aged man was beaten and kidnapped on the street to be forcibly sent to the front. It’s such a scandal. But the West can live with it. And pretend to be civilized.

Posted by: Steve | Apr 5 2023 13:48 utc | 199

Drifter @104

The problem is that the multipolar elites are also fully invested in the 4th industrial revolution, which is not good for anyone wanting to live as a free human being in this world under God.

Agreed. With G5 and AI and genetic engineering, we will be ruled by technocrats forever. We might end up being chipped like nowadays our pets.
Seriously, I see no way to stop this dynamics. In particular, AI will be unstoppable. It will change thoroughly the way we live, and disenfranchise everybody who does not belong to the AI elite. As Elon Musk has put it, allthough he is a technocrat himself: With AI, we’re summoning the demon.

Posted by: grunzt | Apr 5 2023 13:53 utc | 200