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April 18, 2023
China Brings Peace To Yemen, Syria And … Palestine?

Peace is breaking out in the Middle East and the U.S. is pushed aside by more friendly actors.

On March 10 the world was surprised with a China mediated deal that restored ties between Saudi Arabia and Iran:

There are winners and losers in this.

The winners are:

  • Iran, which will now be even more able to break through the sanctions wall the U.S. has put up around it.
  • Saudi Arabia, which now will likely be able to end its disastrous and costly war on Yemen.
  • China, for outplaying the U.S. State Department by achieving this.
  • Iraq, Syria, Yemen as they will become more peaceful as the two middle powers influencing policies on their grounds end their rivalry.

The losers are:

  • Israel, because the chances for its attempts to get the U.S. into a war with Iran are now diminished. Its hoped for coalition with the Saudis will not come into being.
  • The U.S. for having been outplayed on its traditional 'home grounds' in the Middle East.
  • Anti-Iran hawks everywhere.
  • The Emirates for losing at least some of the sanction busting trade with Iran to Saudi Arabia.


Reviving relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran will make a lot of new things possible.

That Iran and Saudi Arabia accepted China's mediation is a recognition of Beijing's new standing in world policies. That alone is enough reason for the White House to hate the deal.

I predicted that the U.S. and Israel would do their best to sabotage the deal or at least make its implementation difficult.

The U.S. sent CIA director Bill Burns to warn the Saudis off. However the deal has held so far and the Saudis are repairing their relations with countries against which they previously waged wars. Yesterday a senior Saudi official visited Sanaa and shook hands with Yemeni Houthi officials:

Saudi Arabia’s military intervention against the Shiite Houthis began in 2015. Bolstered by extensive American military and intelligence support, it came to include 25,000 air raids, according to a count by the Yemen Data Project. The years of fighting created one of the world’s worst humanitarian crises and resulted in the deaths of more than 377,000 Yemenis by the end of 2021 from both war and hunger, the United Nations calculates.

The Houthis have made Saudi Arabia and its coalition allies pay a high price for their failed bid to return to the capital the internationally recognized government after it was ousted by the Houthis. They have launched more than 1,000 missiles and 350 drones into Saudi territory, increasingly deeply since 2019, prompting Riyadh to search for a way out of its military quagmire.

The accelerated moves follow just weeks after a high-profile rapprochement brokered last month by China between rivals Saudi Arabia and Iran – both of which turned Yemen’s civil war into a proxy battleground to expand their regional influence.

Over the last week the Saudis and Houthi sides released prisoners of war. The U.S. has done its best to sabotage the deal:

In the wake of the China-backed détente, the Saudis have largely been willing to abandon their proxies in the interest of ending what has been a draining war. The U.S. responded with alarm, rushing diplomats to the region to insist that pressure continue being applied to the Houthi government in the hope of undermining the deal in the works. [Tim Lenderking, the U.S. envoy for Yemen,] rushed to Riyadh on April 11, as news broke of a peace deal, to remind Saudi leaders of the U.S. desire that they continue to back their proxies in the war.

Instead, the ceasefire talks appear to have become possible because of an agreement in principle that Saudi Arabia would abandon its puppet government, back down from the blockade, and — as the Houthis hoped — use its vast oil wealth to pay Yemeni civil servants.

A similar rapprochement is happening between Saudi Arabia and Syria. On April 12 the Syrian Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad visited Saudi Arabia:

The visit is the first by a Syrian foreign minister to Saudi Arabia since 2011, when the war in Syria began. Saudi Arabia supported the Syrian opposition, but ties have thawed in recent months.

Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad has largely defeated the opposition with Russian and Iranian backing.

Over the past few months, there has been increasing engagement with al-Assad, who has been isolated since the start of the Syrian war.

Al-Assad has visited the UAE and Oman this year, and last month Saudi Arabia said it has started talks with Damascus about resuming consular services.

Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia will host a meeting of regional foreign ministers on Friday to discuss the return of Syria to the Arab League.

The Arab League re-entry will not happen for some time as Qatar, which supported the Muslim Brotherhood rebels against Syria, continues to be hostile to it.

The Saudis will never the less continue their plan. Today the Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan arrived in Damascus for a meeting with President Bashar al-Assad:

Saudi Arabia severed ties with Assad's government in 2012 and Riyadh had long openly championed Assad's ouster, backing Syrian rebels in earlier stages of the war.

Several other Arab countries also cut ties with Syria as some powers bet on Assad's demise.

But regional capitals have gradually been warming to Assad as he has clawed back most of the territory lost to rivals, with crucial backing from Russia and Iran.

As with Yemen the U.S. does not like this move. It will continue its effort to isolate Syria and its government. It is no by chance that today, Just as the Saudi foreign minister visits Damascus, the U.S. is revealing a looming indictment of high ranking Syrian officials:

The inquiry, which has not been previously reported, aims to bring to account top Syrian officials considered key architects of a ruthless system of detention and torture that has flourished under President Bashar al-Assad: Jamil Hassan, the head of the Air Force Intelligence Directorate when Ms. Shweikani disappeared, and Ali Mamlouk, then the head of Syria’s National Security Bureau intelligence service.

A federal indictment accusing the men of committing war crimes would be the first time that the United States has criminally charged top Syrian officials with the very human rights abuses that Mr. al-Assad has long denied using to silence dissent. Although the men are unlikely to be apprehended, a conviction would signal that the United States aims to hold the Syrian government responsible. Already, the United States has imposed sanctions on Mr. al-Assad and his inner circle, including Mr. Mamlouk and Mr. Hassan, over abuses like violence against civilians.

A potential indictment would “personalize the evil of this regime and make it clear you can’t do business with Assad,” said former Ambassador James F. Jeffrey, the Trump administration’s special representative for Syria engagement.

The move will be to no avail. The next country to patch it up with Syria will be Turkey. The Saudi clown prince Mohammad Bin Sultan has decided to develop Saudi Arabia into more than an oil producing country and pilgrimage enterprise. Peace is a prerequisite for development. Good relations with Iran and its various friends in the region will also keep Saudi Arabia out of a potential conflict between Iran and Israel.

There China may also be helpful. It has just offered to facilitate Israel-Palestinian peace talks:

In separate phone calls to the two officials on Monday, [China’s foreign minister] Qin Gang expressed China’s concern over intensifying tensions between Israel and Palestinians and its support for a resumption of peace talks, the Foreign Ministry said in statements issued late Monday.

Qin stressed in his talks with Israeli Foreign Minister Eli Cohen that Saudi Arabia and Iran have set a good example of overcoming differences through dialogue, a statement about that phone call said.

He told Cohen that Beijing encourages Israel and the Palestinians to show political courage and take steps to resume peace talks. “China is willing to provide convenience for this,” he was quoted as saying.

This is another area where the U.S. has previously held, as in Saudi Arabia, an exclusive role.

China, with the support of Russia, is wrestling the U.S. of that role bit by bit. It can do this because it is perceived as neutral and shows no interest in any aggression.

It is the opposite of how the U.S. is perceived in the region. The Chinese way of doing these things makes it likely that these efforts will have better and longer lasting outcomes.

Comments

this was absolutely apparent from those significant developments and represents the absolute defeat of hegemony.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Apr 18 2023 16:33 utc | 1

How many Zionists are members of the Chinese Communist Party?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 18 2023 16:43 utc | 2

Thanks b. Can you check the spelling for crown?

Posted by: Dansk | Apr 18 2023 16:48 utc | 3

re: on China successes — “It is the opposite of how the U.S. is perceived in the region.”
Unfortunately under a new president Philippines has swung the other way, so the US now has another ally in the region to go with Japan, South Korea, Australia and (to a slight extent) India. China does remain firm with Asian countries — trade is up 34% for one thing. Trade will eventually win over aggression, but the US currently still wields a big stick toward the US occupied countries (and now Philippines again) and toward the US puppet Australia, in regards to renegade province Taiwan mainly.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 18 2023 16:52 utc | 4

Yeah, you’re right. The ME situation is getting more and more significant. The big issue is the growing split between Saudi and the US. Quite why MbS has decided he doesn’t need the US so much any more, I am not clear. It was always the rule that SA stood shoulder to shoulder with the US, so that the US would defend it, and Saudi oil maintained the petrodollar. But now they’re not bothered about sticking with the US.
Everything else derives from that split. Saudi-Iran warming only comes from a change of Saudi policy; the Saudi regime naturally hate Iran, because of the Shi’a sitting on the Saudi oil-fields. What is making the Saudis forget that?
I agree the US position in the Middle East looks to be on a downward slide (and thus also Israel’s position). The US can’t fight the Chinese and Russia, and keep up the focus of the 20 years on the Middle East.
“Saudi Arabia, which now will likely be able to end its disastrous and costly war on Yemen.”
I doubt that the US was driving the Yemen war; it was more Saudi Sunni hatred of the Shi’a Houthis. Not even a proxy war with Iran, as in fact Iran gave the Houthis very little help. It was the Houthis on their own.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 18 2023 16:58 utc | 5

An alternate headline would read: Saudi’s Refuse to Continue as Outlaw US Empire Proxies; Will Now Seek Peace & Security in Persian Gulf Region. I linked to this The Cradle article twp days ago on the Week in Review thread that provides excellent inside info, “Echoes of Taif: Syria and Saudi Arabia reconcile”. The outlet also published this excellent news a few hours ago, “GCC rivalry nears its end as Qatar ready to restore ties with UAE”. And it also provides a report on the speech by Iranian PM Raisi on Iran’s National Army Day, “Raisi warns Washington ‘leave West Asia as soon as possible’”.
A Full Court Press is being waged against the Outlaw US Empire’s continuing presence in the Persian Gulf Region as it becomes clearer almost on a daily basis that the very similar Iranian and Russian Peace and Security Proposals are being pushed hard by China and that the region’s previous Imperial proxies are seeing the light that and determining being such vassals isn’rt at all in their best interests.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2023 17:02 utc | 6

And the constant U.S. bashing of China continues … https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/chinas-achilles-heel-takedown-secret-nyc-police-station-retired-four-star-general
‘Secret Chinese Police Stations’ is a popular meme. Like all propaganda, the story is designed to trigger an emotional reaction but it’s a fake story.
The indictment accuses two people of acting as agents of the CCP without registering themselves as such, but it’s NOT a police station. They never detained anyone and no weapons were found. At best you could call it a spy station, as they claim that the CCP used it to get the names and locations of dissidents, but again, no dissidents were ever apprehended or detaine.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Apr 18 2023 17:04 utc | 7

What’s also (not) surprising is that the U.N. (or Guteres for that matter) was/is totally irrelevant.

Posted by: xor | Apr 18 2023 17:06 utc | 8

Obama created isis, as proxies to sunder syria as usa sundered afghanistan, and iraq!
h w bush created Al qaeda as proxies to beard the russian bear in afghanistan
Clinton tore apart serbia.
Biden wants to do it to russia
bin salmon see evil and turn away.

Posted by: paddy | Apr 18 2023 17:09 utc | 9

The best hope for a lasting and secure Jewish State remains in the Likud finally accepting U.N. resolution 181. UNR 181 describes the only internationally recognized boundries between the Jewish and Arab states.

Posted by: Exile | Apr 18 2023 17:17 utc | 10

The US wants to make money off war in the middle east, China prefers to make money off peace.
Different business model.

Posted by: ian | Apr 18 2023 17:18 utc | 11

“arranging peace with palestine would be anti semitic”
– probably some neocon

Posted by: leaf | Apr 18 2023 17:29 utc | 12

A us diplomatic convoy was shot up by the RSF (who blew up Egyptian warplanes) in sudan.
Another fire starts when one goes out and because the US is under direct fire I’m guessing Sudanese patriots are fighting to keep the US out of a “democratic transition”
Question is, did the US even start that fire?!?!?

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Apr 18 2023 17:29 utc | 13

The best hope for a lasting and secure Jewish State remains in the Likud finally accepting U.N. resolution 181.
Posted by: Exile | Apr 18 2023 17:17 utc | 10
That’s not right. You haven’t read Avi Shlaim’s The Iron Wall. That shows clearly that it’s impossible for Israel to make peace. They’ve led a war policy since 1948. They can’t change now. It’s a matter of Live by the sword, Die by the sword.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 18 2023 17:32 utc | 14

thanks b…
it’s nice that saudi arabia don’t want to be puppets of usa foreign policy objectives any more.. that is refreshing..
the joke about the usa with its looming indictment – to “personalize the evil of this regime” would be better served if they did the indictment on bush 2 with blair, but we know that ain’t gonna happen.. the evil of the usa-uk duo is glaringly obvious for anyone to see.. all the rest is obfuscation and distraction..
maybe israel will have to find a way to give back the land they have stolen… i can’t see it, but all things are possible when big brother usa has its hands full elsewhere… finding peace in israel is highly unlikely.. peace is anti-semitic right??

Posted by: james | Apr 18 2023 17:35 utc | 15

It would seem that there is a common denominator in nearly all global conflicts, and I think Columbus has a lot to answer for with his discovery.

Posted by: Pancho Plail | Apr 18 2023 17:35 utc | 16

Who is driving Sudan war?
What was UN envy to Sudan role in triggering the war?

Posted by: Arata | Apr 18 2023 17:35 utc | 17

laguerre @5–
IMO, the Saud/US “pact” was seen as a better deal than with the UK at WW2’s end. The Sauds were then enlisted in the Anti-Communist Crusade convincing the King that Russia would oust him on ideological grounds. The weaponization of Islam began by the UK was continued by the US which also seemingly benefited the Sauds and their Gulf cousins. Getting the Sauds to abandon the Palestinians was almost a success, but that is now a failure with MbS at the helm. IMO, the final straw was administered over time via a shrewd educational campaign by Russia and China aimed at prying open Saudi eyes at their past, present and future situation within the Big Picture where attaining peace and thus security was the only pathway for the success of MbS’s development plans. The Outlaw US Empire’s continuous demand that it act as its war making proxy that ignores Saudi interests and the fact that US military systems were unable to defend vital Saudi interests combined with the final straw to break the “pact.” Other factors like the Empire’s escalating hegemonic behavior and plundering plus its crazed Woke and Cancel Culture also played a role.
The Iranians having reestablished good relations with GCC are now becoming more forceful in their demands as they can now claim to be talking for the entire region when addressing the Zionists and their Master.
There are more news items at The Cradle germane to this topic I didn’t list above.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2023 17:37 utc | 18

Quite why MbS has decided he doesn’t need the US so much any more, I am not clear. It was always the rule that SA stood shoulder to shoulder with the US, so that the US would defend it, and Saudi oil maintained the petrodollar. But now they’re not bothered about sticking with the US.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 18 2023 16:58 utc | 5
My guess is that the increasing weaponisation of the US$ has served as a wake-up call for all those nations that have conventionally held their wealth in US$ denominations. I can quite believe there was some internal consternation among the oil-rich Arabian peninsula states at the action taken over Russian-held US$ assets, with many asking themselves “Could we be next? Should we get out of the dollar while the getting is good?”

Posted by: West of England Andy | Apr 18 2023 17:38 utc | 19

I think there is a big thing coming. It’s possible that Israel and USA will attack Iran, and Saudi-Arabia wants to avoid direct attacks.

Posted by: Mehmet | Apr 18 2023 17:39 utc | 20

hope for a lasting and secure Jewish State
@ Exile | Apr 18 2023 17:17 utc | 10

The foundation of Jewish culture is that its people are a diaspora. Through the millennia their state has only briefly existed as a temporary anomaly.
History does not bode well for a lasting Jewish State.

Posted by: too scents | Apr 18 2023 17:41 utc | 21

Thanks for this comprehensive roundup, b. The loveliest aspect of these products of Chinese Diplomcy is that China has delivered a fresh batch of “Alternative Facts” for the White House, and its cavalcade of spokesperson/ spin doctors, to chew on at their leisure.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18 2023 17:43 utc | 22

Russia is the new enforcer (a fair one, unlike the US). The US/Saudi connection was always going to end one day: all the heat on/over 9/11 has been hard to hold at bay. China might be fronting this Russian power. That is, informing everyone that if they f-up that Russia will be able to strike them anywhere and that isn’t in anyone’s best interest. Folks in the ME clearly see that Russia is dismantling NATO and US military dominance. China steps in as an “independent” mediator (as close to it as has existed in perhaps ever). But as with all “agreements” there has to be some sense of enforcement lurking in order to keep people to their word: Russia.
Israel shouldn’t irritate Russia lest it’s project be curtailed. The Russia+China duo will finally bring relief to the Palestinians; how this will be we will have to wait to see (but it won’t be a long wait).

Posted by: Seer | Apr 18 2023 17:45 utc | 23

IMO, the Saud/US “pact” was seen as a better deal than with the UK at WW2’s end.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2023 17:37 utc | 18
Sorry, no. The Brits were never close with the Saudis. The Brits supported the Hashemites (Sharif of Mecca), and the Gulf states, the opposition to Saudi. The decisive event was when Standard Oil took out an oil prospecting contract and started drilling in 1937. Ever after it was the Saudi-US relationship that counted. But not now. That’s why it’s so amazing.
I wonder now whether Biden or his people told MbS there were limits to the US investment in defence of Saudi, and MbS felt he had no choice but to look wider for allies. with the present consequences.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 18 2023 17:50 utc | 24

All too often, so many conflicts and sufferings only get appraised from the interests of the belligerents. Although I’d rather not believe this to be true of our chief parfy’s sympathiies, the listings under “The winners are:” comes close to it.
How come he does not list the populace of Yemen as one of the winners — or at least the beneficiaries — of the signs of an agreements that may end the war?
Also, at least eight million Palestinian Arabs, among those two millions inside of Zionist direct control. and i surmise also a lot of Izraëli Jews could be counted as having been spared lots of aggravation due to the now new detente.

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Apr 18 2023 17:51 utc | 25

I wonder what an Israel-Palestinian deal would look like. I suspect that at the very best, it might involve some sort of easing of the occupation of the West Bank, and perhaps Gaza. Nothing there for the Palestinians of ’48: the Zionist abomination would be treated as legitimate and would remain implanted in most of Palestine. Can’t see that that’s the way forward.

Posted by: traducteur | Apr 18 2023 17:51 utc | 26

I wonder if there is something that went down behind the scenes that caused SA to flip, such as a botched regime change operation which the Saudis foiled. A lot of removals in recent years due to “corruption”, including some military roles.

Posted by: BillB | Apr 18 2023 17:52 utc | 27

i love all this peace breaking out.
ian #11 The US wants to make money off war in the middle east, China prefers to make money off peace.
Different business model.

yes!

Posted by: annie | Apr 18 2023 17:55 utc | 28

error:
“hief parfy’s sympathiies”
correct:
“chief parfly’s sympathies”
(sorry for mis-spellings!)

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Apr 18 2023 18:01 utc | 29

I think there is a big thing coming. It’s possible that Israel and USA will attack Iran, and Saudi-Arabia wants to avoid direct attacks.
Posted by: Mehmet | Apr 18 2023 17:39 utc | 20

Iran has too many friends with real Nukes and “Israel’s” nukes are all imaginary. It’s going to be fun counting the excuses the Yankees come up with for refusing to help “Israel” to attack Iran.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 18 2023 18:02 utc | 30

Even the defeats are deteriorating. Not even an embassy for the final escape from Syria. 🙁

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Apr 18 2023 18:03 utc | 31

Burkina Faso is undergoing a general mobilisation to fight ISIL after an attack on their soldiers.

Posted by: OohCanada | Apr 18 2023 18:08 utc | 32

Another reason for SA to shift away from the US has to do with the USD’s decline. The break that Russia made is the trigger. Russia pushed the energy markets such that producers will increasingly move away from the USD. Energy is REAL. USD is totally virtual. Resources are becoming more scarce thus should be worth more: and at the same time the USD is becoming more abundant [insert printer sounds here].

Posted by: Seer | Apr 18 2023 18:11 utc | 33

It is well established that the CIA has used Syria as a black site for illegal renditions and torture. Thus any discussion of human rights abuses should include this fact. If Syrians are being prosecuted then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: Goober | Apr 18 2023 18:15 utc | 34

Also the attempt to dictate the price of oil. It’s like as with any merchant with a stall at the market; once the owner of the market starts disrupting your business, dictating terms, you go elsewhere. Especially if you’re selling goods that are in high demand, which energy is.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 18 2023 18:16 utc | 35

” a ruthless system of detention and torture ”
Sorry, that was his daddy Assad. And CIA had no qualms to use it for own captives. Now there is Guantanamo.

Posted by: MorePain4Cakes | Apr 18 2023 18:17 utc | 36

All these very welcome developments are a glimpse of what the world can be like. If just common sense prevails with the actors of these processes, they will not be stopped regardless of meddling and obstacles.
Certainly, the solution to the Israel – Palestine gangrene would be the most important contribution to a progressive transformation of international life.
I just read the following piece which generally fits into this topic and will be of interest to all:
https://globalsouth.co/2023/04/14/afghanistan-the-hard-work-of/

Posted by: JB | Apr 18 2023 18:20 utc | 37

The US wants to make money off war in the middle east, China prefers to make money off peace.
Different business model.
Posted by: ian | Apr 18 2023 17:18 utc | 11
Because peace doesn’t open the option for the narcotics peddling, bioattacks a la covid+pfizer, debt traps, mass poisoning and habitat destruction a la monsanto, child trafficking, organ harvesting, torture camps and tunnels and ritual bloodletting and slaughter that usa and particularly israel need.
I tend to think that usa by itself would likely be content with financial and military domination—it’s the other partner (or rather, the master of the usa-golem) that brings the satanism, nihilism and depraved bloodthirst.

Posted by: Mike | Apr 18 2023 18:20 utc | 38

Terrific news, b! Thanks for this (as always) excellent article.
Blessed are the peacemakers!
(And to hell with the hegemonsters.)

Posted by: JMF | Apr 18 2023 18:22 utc | 39

“by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐/טלפ וש | Apr 18 2023 17:51 utc | 25”
B specifically mentioned Yemen as a winner by being more peaceful, which includes the ordinary people of Yemen. The list of winners he quoted is from before the current event of China offering help facilitate Palestinian peace talks, and therefore wouldn’t have included them.
The list of losers should include the most obvious, the U,S. war industry (euphemistically and dishonestly called ‘defense’ industry), which will lose sales to countries that will no longer need to buy weapons to kill enemies created by the U.S.
And speaking of which, the deadliest war in 2022 was… not Ukraine?? What? Wait, where the heck is Ethiopia, and what was going on there, and why did I hear absolutely nothing about it either in U.S. news or even here?

Posted by: Dalit | Apr 18 2023 18:27 utc | 40

The Saudi clown prince Mohammad Bin Sultan

Ok…. I thought the Sultan was in Turkey, but we learn new things every day.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2023 18:35 utc | 41

laguerre | Apr 18 2023 17:50 utc | 24–
I wonder now whether Biden or his people told MbS there were limits to the US investment in defence of Saudi, and MbS felt he had no choice but to look wider for allies. with the present consequences.
As I opined, it’s a compilation of many considerations, while also being “schooled” by Russia and China. Perhaps the major consideration was the fact that to continue its global hegemony the Outlaw US Empire must continually engage in warfare of some sort–hybrid, actual or both–which for its region also means continual warfare and no peace. And no peace means no attainment of Saudi development plans and possible catastrophe. What’s the choice for the wise ruler given current and likely future realities?

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2023 18:56 utc | 42

arata@17
According to the veteran Eritrea based correspondent, Thomas Mountain its another CIA aggression
https://countercurrents.org/2023/04/bombing-khartoum-cias-latest-attempted-coup-in-africa/?swcfpc=1

Posted by: bevin | Apr 18 2023 19:00 utc | 43

Nobody can trust the United States.
It is impossible for anyone ever to trust someone intent on total domination.
And that is as true of states as it is of individuals.
The United States is, indeed, ‘agreement incapable’, as Lavrov noted. Any state bent on hegemony cannot commit itself to abide by agreements made with its ‘inferiors’.
In the case of Saudi Arabia the blowback from the Adnan Khashoggi killing has been a key factor. Khashoggi was a CIA asset, his employers initial reaction to his killing was irrational and racist.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 18 2023 19:07 utc | 44

For those unclear why MBS is doing what he is doing watch this. It will clear up a lot of things that just didn’t quite make sense in the past.
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DczKyOx2NLk
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ie8GkjRKM

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 18 2023 19:08 utc | 45

Something that Eric Newhill, Scorpion, et ilk will likely want to discredit is the indisputable fact that both Russia and China have kindly supported their ethnic (“indigenous”) minorities, economically, culturally, and biologically. “Indigenous” is in quotes, there, because neither China nor Russia considers such peoples as exotic; in both cases, such peoples have been absorbed into the cultural/political milieu as fully-fledged equals deserving of full political rights.
Israel, however, has followed the US (and Nazi) pattern of systematic obliteration of its own indigenous peoples.
The prospect of China now exerting its own geopolitical influence to push Israel to accept human rights on UN terms once established by long-abandoned US aspirations is both hopeful and–for the collective West–entirely undermining of all prospective futures.
I, for one, am glad that China is attempting to teach the Israelis how to cohabitate with their geopolitical partners.

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 18 2023 19:13 utc | 46

Quite why MbS has decided he doesn’t need the US so much any more, I am not clear.
——————-
Well, Biden calling KSA a “Pariah State” after the Khashoggi affair probably didn’t help. But, much of the animus the ROW has toward the Empire is the zombie Biden himself. Guy has always been a dimwitted, heavy handed prick going back to his days in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and these ME regimes remember the thuggish way he comported himself then and as Obama’s VP. The unraveling of the hegemony probably would have occurred faster after the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowicz reign of terror had not Obama been an iconic figure in the ROW and Trump offered a “business first, weapons second” type of foreign policy (scuttered by subversives in his Admin). But, when Biden was crowbarred into the Oval Office and all the NeoCon/Lib cockroaches started their usual mafia antics sans the Obama imprimatur … all bets were off. Biden and his Neocon/Lib extortion goons are disrespected and hated everywhere outside the quickly deteriorating “West”. As an American … I know what’s coming to us and I am accepting and will be agile for me and mine.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 18 2023 19:13 utc | 47

And speaking of which, the deadliest war in 2022 was… not Ukraine?? What? Wait, where the heck is Ethiopia, and what was going on there, and why did I hear absolutely nothing about it either in U.S. news or even here?
Tu
Posted by: Dalit | Apr 18 2023 18:27 utc | 40
One of the reasons to watch the daily “Redacted” shows on YT. Clayton and Natali care about that War and also the dismal American shit going down in Syria and Haiti. Well, around the World.
The dirty little secret? The evil people waging coups, insurrections, War, death, misery, grief and propaganda on every population around the World are the same who are waging the same in EVERY pocket of American empowering institutions of lawful order, education, religion and Press. It’s the Neocon elites (largely another name for entrenched non-religious Jews – sorry) against Humanity. We’re all at risk from these demons.

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 18 2023 19:31 utc | 48

@ Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 18 2023 19:13 utc | 46
Israel, however, has followed the US (and Nazi) pattern of systematic obliteration of its own indigenous peoples.
It is a bit ugly to call Palestinians indigenous, but I get the point.
Not to excuse anybody, but actually, the second wave of Israeli immigrants predominantly from Algiers, Morocco, and Ukraine brought the violence and terror upon Palestinians. The first wave was rather intellectual, post-war traumatised and pretty much non-aggressive “volk” being pretty happy with what they got.
Ukrainian Jews from Odesa smuggled massive amount of weapons to Zionist terrorists way back then, triggering English withdrawal and a demise of friendly Muslim-Arab and Christian-Arab neighbours.
It would be very smart for Israelis to start quickly making friends around the Middle East, as without American backing they might be in very big trouble, not being able to handle it.
With American backing, they are just in trouble that they can handle.

Posted by: whirlX | Apr 18 2023 19:41 utc | 49

Yemen has more hydrocarbon deposits underfoot than central *(aka: Saudi) Arabia.
The war on Yemen is to a large extent about the hydrocarbon deposits.
The “Global South” will never get out from under the “West” until they come up with a COMMODITY based money system. NO “CURRENCIES” OF ANY SORT, and in addition to that, they must “quote prices” in the commodity based money and NOT in any national currency susceptible to Government or Bankster control.
Gold is a commodity. So is silver, rice, oil, and anything you can put your finger on. The new money may be a “basket” of commodities, but NO CURRENCIES.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Apr 18 2023 19:46 utc | 50

To piggyback off Drake S.
Concur with your discourse. Well stated. The Obama imprimatur was a fraud, of course. But it did provide a cover of sorts – somewhat like a urinal cake.
To add to what others have written about US Warmongering and general shite stirring everywhere.
The chaos created provides a cover for looting which is part and parcel, conceptually.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 18 2023 19:57 utc | 51

” why MbS has decided he doesn’t need the US so much anymore, I am not clear.”
1. Confiscation of Russia’s Western Bank accounts by (U.S.) Rules “based” edict. Now the U.S. can arbitrarily take any country’s bank accounts. “Just watch me” says mediocre, installed President Little Boots.
2. Despite U.S. rendition or direct killing of anyone on the planet without trial, the fuss made about MBS killing Khashoggi was more than Saudi logic could bear.
Now the pendulum has swung back. American Divide and Conquer policy is now devouring the U.S. internally, and foreign countries are seeing how they have been manipulated and encouraged to hate and fight their neighbors, instead of finding compromise and common ground.
Taiwan should make a deal with China before the U.S. glasses the island “for their own good.”

Posted by: kupkee | Apr 18 2023 19:59 utc | 52

Hot Rod @ 50
And that’s it exactly!
As to the Saudis worrying about protection… I have already provided that answer: Russia (who else can handle anyone else, including the US? so, US is going to threaten SA and then? and note that Russia has set a firm road around sanctioning powers of the US/West)

Posted by: Seer | Apr 18 2023 20:02 utc | 53

Grr, sorry, “Hot Carl” not “Hot Rod” (my mind wondered before my fingers knew where it went!)

Posted by: Seer | Apr 18 2023 20:03 utc | 54

The US won’t like this either:
“UK should not ‘pull the shutters down’ on China, says James Cleverly”
“Exclusive: British foreign secretary says failing to engage ‘closely and regularly’ with Beijing would be ‘really counterproductive’”

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Apr 18 2023 20:07 utc | 55

Well there will be no USA peace in Urkaina
The USA are nnot making peace, not in any of their military conflicts have they made a peace agreement. They have sabotaged them all.
WW2: Japan hade to continue figthing against RU, was not allowed to make peace.
No GER- US peace agreement after WW2.
Stalin suggested in 52 to merge East and West Germany. USA said NO.
And so it goes- if they have been an active (and visible) part of the war: vietnam, libya, iran, afgan and the rest.
Proxy wars have also been extended.
They will leave UKR without peace.
But it looks like they will use the leaks to blackened UKR. IF we the USA new what is now clear because of the leaks, we would not be able to support you for so long.
And a fragmented Europe, will have to step up to a problem we cant handle.
Austerity will spread, Nazism will grow in Germany, Italy and so on and there you go.
New wars will come.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 18 2023 20:09 utc | 56

A bridge too far. Many bridges too far.
Stealing Russia’s Dollar accounts.
Destroying Nordstream Pipeline.
Kindergarten-level cover stories.
Blatant hypocrisy. Finger pointing. Holier than thou. Habitually talking down to others.
The Epstein Maxwell Caper. The Jimmy Savile Caper.
The lack of accounting for trillions.
The clever synthesis of the FIRE sector, Collateral Debt Obligations for trade, crooked Wall Street, generally.
The Demand, Clearly Stated that nothing other than “Full Spectrum Dominance” is acceptable to the mighty USA.
Never recalled, has it now “transitioned” to become Full Rectum Dominance?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Apr 18 2023 20:11 utc | 57

Thanks to all those who’ve given reasons why the US has pissed Saudi off. But you do understand this is a deep policy, which started in 1937 and has lasted without interruption till today. No Saudi ruler is going to change that policy because he’s a bit annoyed. The indication by the Biden regime has to have been pretty clear to drive a different direction from SA.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 18 2023 20:17 utc | 58

Posted by: Pacifica_Advocate | Apr 18 2023 19:13 utc
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I am curious about the true situation regarding the Uighurs. Because, much of the angst around overnight abandoning Bagram AFB amongst the disgraceful Biden pullout from Afghanistan was the abandoned incapacity to monitor (provoke) those ethnic and religious tensions in that region. Are things as “bad” for that Chinese ethnic minority- i.e. Muslim slave camps making Nike Air Jordans for American Urban terrorists lol – in Xinjiang as we have been sold?

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 18 2023 20:18 utc | 59

Drake Schroeder @ 59
Uighurs that aren’t radicalized are fine in China. If they’re radicalized (which the US has helped promote) then the Chinese govt will look to “re-educate” them: far more humane than what the US does/would do.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 18 2023 20:26 utc | 60

Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Apr 18 2023 20:18 utc | 59
From what I understand Xinjiang is not a closed territory, and you can go to visit for your holidays. There are a lot of videos of visits on Youtube, many looking like Chinese-financed, though fronted by Western travellers.

Posted by: laguerre | Apr 18 2023 20:28 utc | 61

One of the minor-but they all add up-problems for the US is that it has been excluding “Arabists” from top level Foreign Poliocy discussions for twenty years or so now.
Its window, and listening post on the region is Israel. Its policy makers are Zionist neo-cons.
Underlying their attitudes is that oldest of American intellectual traditions: blind, insane racism.
After a while, a century or so, it grates as those at the receiving end- smiling philosophically, one encounter after another, come to understand that it isn’t a passing phase, that fades with familiarity, or a generational thing that passes over time. On the contrary Arabaphobia is constantly refreshed by Zionists, for whom hatred of real semites is the foundation of all policy.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 18 2023 20:32 utc | 62

ian #11
The US wants to make money of war, China prefers to make money off peace.
Different business model.
Fantastic said.
– and this is also the problem in the US versus RU. RU and CH are making weapons that actually works. No profit.
The private weapons-producers in US complicate, delays all their weapon system to make money.
There was a movie about the development of the Bradley. Every weapon- system under development has been fucked by the developers.

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Apr 18 2023 20:36 utc | 63

On October 1, 2017, in Las Vegas Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old man from Mesquite, Nevada, is alleged to have opened fire on the crowd at a concert.
MBS and Family were in Las Vegas on Oct. 1, 2017. MBS was in the same hotel as Paddock who was murdered on the 32nd floor. MBS was some 4-5 floor above !!!
On Nov. 4, 2017 nearly 400 of Saudi Arabia’s most powerful people, among them princes, tycoons and ministers, were rounded up and detained in the Ritz-Carlton hotel, in what became the biggest and most contentious purge in the modern kingdom’s history.
On 2 October 2018, Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi dissident journalist (he was not) was dissected in the SA embassy in Turkey
Khashoggi was not a journalist. From Wiki we can learn,
“He also served with the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Agency, and possibly worked with the United States, during the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan.[30]”
To slice and dice someone and then record it, someone must have done something very very bad to get such treatment. What is it that Khashoggi did that prompted MBS to met out such treatment exactly 1 yr. later ?
More about this can be learned from the two YT links I posted above.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 18 2023 20:41 utc | 64

“History does not bode well for a lasting Jewish State”
Posted by: too scents | Apr 18 2023 17:41 utc | 21
Do the anglosaxons have any wish to render it stable?
I suggest the answer is No!
And in any case it has been in the negative from the start.
The original purpose for that state was for Britain to have use for it as a bridgehead against France and Russia
And as the 19th century continued the purpose evolved into a means to control the financiers.
It is that simple. It was all about enforcing lojalty to the empire from the financiers and thus denying them to be neutral investors according to market economical principles.
A stable nation state was therefore of less value for the colonial masters.
Churchill wanted to transfer an intensely patriotic race of 3 to 4 million.
‘Intensely patriotic’ may be translated to ‘uncompromising’.
But it didnt happen because of any strong desire on the part of the jews.
And an important initial phase happened while Palmerston secretely had become the worlds leading freemason.
70 years before the Balfour declaration.
Thus that latter phase was not something the british elites were blackmailed to bring about but what they actually desired and had been planning for generations.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 18 2023 20:43 utc | 65