'Leaks' Pinned On Russia And Other Issues With Them
Exactly one week ago the British news agency Reuters published the 'report' below which then was widely republished by other news sites.
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Russia likely behind U.S. military document leak, U.S. officials say - Fri, April 7, 2023 at 4:46 PM GMT+1
By Phil StewartWASHINGTON (Reuters) -Russia or pro-Russian elements are likely behind the leak of several classified U.S. military documents posted on social media that offer a partial, month-old snapshot of the war in Ukraine, three U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, while the Justice Department said separately it was probing the leak.
The documents appear to have been altered to lower the number of casualties suffered by Russian forces, the U.S. officials said, adding their assessments were informal and separate from the investigation into the leak itself.
The U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity given the sensitivity of the matter and declined to discuss the documents in any detail.
The author, Phil Stewart, ...
... has reported from more than 60 countries, including Afghanistan, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, China and South Sudan. An award-winning Washington-based national security reporter, Phil has appeared on NPR, PBS NewsHour, Fox News and other programs and moderated national security events, including at the Reagan National Defense Forum and the German Marshall Fund. He is a recipient of the Edwin M. Hood Award for Diplomatic Correspondence and the Joe Galloway Award.
One wonders who initiated the contact between Stewart and those 'officials'. Did Stewart asked them for comments or did they call him up to plant the nonsense?
I have tried to contact Phil Stewart but it is unlikely that I will hear back from him.
One wonders how many other such 'Russiagate' like hoax stories, based on anonymous officials, were published by Phil Stewart and Reuters.
Meanwhile one of real purposes of the 'leak' becomes clear:
The Biden administration is looking at expanding how it monitors social media sites and chatrooms after U.S. intelligence agencies failed to spot classified Pentagon documents circulating online for weeks, according to a senior administration official and a congressional official briefed on the matter.The possible change in the intelligence-gathering process is just one potential shift as officials scramble to determine not only how the documents leaked but also how to prevent another damaging incident.
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If the administration tries to check online chatrooms more closely, it will have to navigate legal safeguards designed to protect Americans’ privacy and freedom of expression, former intelligence officials said.Watching a public chatroom is fair game, but law enforcement agencies don’t have the legal authority to monitor a private online chatroom without probable cause, the former officials said.
It is likely that Biden will now push for even more extreme censorship, i.e. the RESTRICT Act, to become law.
Former CIA agent Larry Johnson says that the leak can not have come from the alleged 'leaker' who worked in the military as the 'leaked' stash contained at least one CIA document that would never be distributed outside of the agency.
The leaked stash also includes many more themes than the slides on Ukraine that have so far have been discussed in the public:
A portion of the documents, which have since been widely covered by the news media, focused on Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, while others detailed analysis of potential UK policies on the South China Sea and the activities of a Houthi figure in Yemen.
And even more:
Even so, why does this unit need access to intel on such a wide range of topics: spying on Mossad, Egyptian rocket development, Wagner activities in Haiti and Africa?
So why have the media, with the help of the British intelligence outlet Bellingcat, spend so much time on hunting the purported 'leaker' instead of writing in depth stories on the 300 plus actual 'leaked' files? Why did they waste their resources on helping the justice department to find the leaker? The push for this was likely initiated by Bellingcat which published the first leads to that part of story. Bellingcat writers were later even bylined by the Washington Post and New York Times in their 'leaker' hunt stories.
My hunch:
The 'leaks' come from some high position in the 'intelligence community', likely the CIA or DNI. The young airman who was arrested yesterday was somehow used to publish them. The original leak source then contacted the British partner services to launch the 'hunt'. Their subsidiary Bellingcat was used to publish the results.
The purpose of the leaks was two fold:
- With the Ukraine slides published the Biden administration, which has no idea how to continue or shut down the war in Ukraine it had initiated, would have to admit that the war there is lost and that Ukraine must surrender.
- The second aim is to push for more surveillance, i.e. more jobs for the 'intelligence community'.
So far that scheme has worked well.
Posted by b on April 14, 2023 at 14:54 UTC | Permalink
next page »Another potential reason has just surfaced. The "leak" purports to show that China agreed to arm Russia. That narrative couldn't be more timely for the US.
Posted by: Billy | Apr 14 2023 15:09 utc | 2
I wonder why they picked such a low level scrub to be the scapegoat? No way in hell he had any access to CIA files.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Apr 14 2023 15:13 utc | 3
Yesterday a spook on Substack launched the hunt for US subversives with the clarion call, 'Who is Moon of Alabama?'
He thinks you are an Alabama redneck, B.
The comments were not kind to him, but the walls are closing in!
thanks b.... your twofold purpose on the bottom sounds about right.. in fact, old microbiologist came to the same conclusion in the previous thread, which i quote below - thanks microbiologist...
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Apr 14 2023 7:50 utc | 282 :
"Just my 2 cents with 40 years in the Army and access to this kind of stuff. This is a sophisticated PSYOP with several clever goals. If we assume it is a US operation the best way to analyze this is to see what the goals might be. First, it is obvious this is the beginning of being able to walk away from US involvement in Ukraine. The second is to sow distrust among both enemies and allies. As always it is the regime of chaos. The third is to support the REACT Bill to clamp down on online communications and close the gap with less obvious targets like Redditt and Discord. All must be censored and monitored completely. This will likely cause a kneejerk reaction and a Patriot Act version 2 with further erosions of Constitutional Rights. The latter is important as unrest is growing in the US and is reaching a boiling point. The next election is going to be the most chaotic in history and a lot is happening so more obfuscation is required.
Add in the very careful design of the leaker being a young white male, right-wing, Christian, gun-loving, anti-semitic and anti-Black (I will assume LGBTQ+ will crop up soon). It is a trifecta."
of course the additional obsession with russia before the fact - that always makes sense from usa foreign policy objectives - more money for the military and etc. etc...
Posted by: james | Apr 14 2023 15:21 utc | 5
When Hollywood writers fit up a sequel to a previous widely known story the success of their work depends upon smoothing over the inconsistencies the new tale has from the existing storyline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity
It is a small challenge to suspend the public's disbelief in simple factual matters connected to a trivial document leak that only marginally effects them personally.
It will be a much bigger challenge to retcon the "Ukraine is Winning" fable. Hard money is riding on that story.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 14 2023 15:30 utc | 6
The question for me is: How could "they" have used the Young man in leaking the documents? By smuggling in the documents in his house? Or giving him access to them at his workplace? How would they know that he would use them in this way as he did?
And is the system really so rotten to put someone for decades in jail for nothing - or belonging to the "right" group?
So this theory seems to me also somehow constructed.
Posted by: Johannes S. Herbst | Apr 14 2023 15:30 utc | 7
I’m sure the uproar over the document leaks is not diverting any attention away from this: https://www.foxnews.com/media/ex-obama-staffer-blows-whistle-biden-kickback-scheme-hunter-joined-burisma-malfeasance-office
A former Obama administration staffer is blowing the whistle on the Biden family's business dealings, accusing President Biden of being involved in a "kickback scheme" in connection with his son Hunter's overseas business dealings while he was vice president.Mike McCormick, a stenographer for the White House for 15 years, told "Fox & Friends First" the FBI has been ignoring his alarms on the matter despite his willingness to testify under oath before the federal grand jury investigating Hunter.
"In February, I went to the FBI and filed one of their tips on their website. If you do that, and you're lying to them, you go to jail. I'm not lying. I'm telling the truth, and I'm not going to jail," McCormick said Thursday. "Joe Biden is a criminal. He was conducting malfeasance in office to enrich his family. Jake Sullivan is a conspirator in that, and there's more... Obama officials involved in it, I believe."
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McCormick, who worked with Biden from 2011 to 2017, detailed a key dialogue involving the vice president, aide Jake Sullivan and the press on Air Force Two before a trip to Kyiv, Ukraine, on April 21, 2014.Sullivan, who is the current national security adviser, outlined in a White House transcript Biden's priorities for his trip to the country, which included U.S. investment in the Ukrainian energy sector days after Hunter joined the board of Burisma, according to the New York Post.
Months later, and well after the trip, Congress allocated $50 million to Ukraine's energy market.
"I'm sitting back there with a tape recorder. Jake Sullivan comes back and somebody asks about fracking. His answer is, well, we're bringing a lot of American assistance over for fracking. Burisma was the direct beneficiary of that fracking, and that's what I recorded, and that's in a White House transcript," McCormick said.
"In the transcript, you don't know who Jake Sullivan is. It's a senior administration official. I'm the witness that says Jake Sullivan is the guy who said it and he should be investigated because at the time Hunter Biden was on the board of Burisma and Joe Biden is bringing American taxpayer money to enrich that company and himself and his family," he continued.
Posted by: West of England Andy | Apr 14 2023 15:36 utc | 8
Unfortunately there is a far more disturbing third option:
*Prepare the public for direct Nato intervention in Ukraine.
Posted by: Coiseam | Apr 14 2023 15:45 utc | 9
Good theories good work b,
Poor kid was probably duped into it. Didn't some specs of a Chinese warplane make it online, because some kids wanted a better wargame?
What we could also be seeing is some domestic spy vs spy action.
And of course we're always seeing spy vs citizen action.
The scary thing is they're now just saying out loud we have no freedom of speech anymore.
The beatings will continue until moral improves.....
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 14 2023 15:08 utc | 1
Should that be.
The briefings will continue until moral improves.....???
It's all spin and BS at this point.
Posted by: jpc | Apr 14 2023 15:46 utc | 11
100% agree b, the Larry Johnson point about cia documents in the documents leaked is a real blunder, but you'd expect nothing else from that lot.
Regarding the restrict act, we humans are a resourceful lot. Many revolutions happened before the mass communication era and many more will happen regardless of restrictions. This act is in itself a desperate act from a seriously desperate governing elite.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Apr 14 2023 15:52 utc | 12
"with 40 years in the Army"
Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who voluntarily went into the Army.
Probably my problem----
Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Apr 14 2023 15:55 utc | 13
"Teixeira's work gave him access to network housing classified intelligence, according to defense official
From CNN's Haley Britzky
US classified information leaks suspect Jack Teixeira was assigned to the 102nd Intelligence Wing, which is a "24/7 operational mission" that takes in intelligence from various sources and packages it for some of the most senior military leaders around the globe, according to a defense official.
Teixeira's job was not to be the one packaging the intelligence for those senior commanders, but rather to work on the network on which that highly classified intelligence lived."
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/pentagon-leak-jack-teixeira-court-04-14-23/index.html
Posted by: dh | Apr 14 2023 15:56 utc | 14
I don't see any reason to change my initial diagnosis: The Kid is Oswald and Biden is the target. Yes, as with the original scenario there's fallout aimed at the public--cover up that leads to increased censorship and secretiveness. The only way to defeat the action, IMO, will be through the kid's trial where it must be shown/proven that in no way could he have accessed the CIA and FISA docs. Although, it's possible he'll confess, plead guilty, and waive his right to trial by jury as some sort of deal seems to have occurred that caused him to accept his role as patsy/Oswald. Or perhaps he'll be Epsteined and thus share Oswald's fate and the truth will die with him.
Joe Biden is a criminal.
@ West of England Andy | Apr 14 2023 15:36 utc | 8
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Biden should be impeached if for no other reason to demonstrate that he is incompetent to stand trial.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 14 2023 15:59 utc | 16
As a few have said, it is a psyops. and from what Johnson and even fox news believe it not, planned at the highest levels. Or at least they have said the combination of documents could only come from somewhere like the DNI.
Sure they could have someone set up u little game boy club - 25 or so kids, but the planners had to ensure those documents where sitting where the public could easily spot them and start spreading them. They are not going just leave that to random chance.
The bellingcrap fairy tale is that is that they were stached on a server in this little kiddies club where password or something would have been required to get in.
NSI or whoever are not going to rely on the kids to disseminate these documents and all of them where they could be found. On Judging Freedom, The just asked Macgregor to watch the wapo video interview of supposedly one of the kid in the group then asked if Macgregor thought it genuine. Macgregor said no. He had been given lines and it was rehearsed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UigcLPbnewQ
Those documents would have gone straight from the NSI to wherever they were found. I believe several sites. And they would have been put at sites were they would be found.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 14 2023 16:01 utc | 17
Duncan Idaho | Apr 14 2023 15:55 utc | 13
So who would you trust?
Posted by: morongobill | Apr 14 2023 16:05 utc | 18
So lemme get this straight.....they try covering up clandestine infighting with a 21 year old patsy, then they go ahead and trot out the tired old chestnut 'Russia did it'?!
Just when ya though they could not get any more lame....this.
Ah well let the crumbling continue, it aint gonna be pretty but it might just be amusing.
Posted by: Chevrus | Apr 14 2023 16:05 utc | 19
Posted by: too scents | Apr 14 2023 15:30 utc | 6
Medieval light cavalry, such as Jinetes or Hobelars, were feared for their role as pursuers of retreating soldiers, trained to use their melee and missile weapons on the backs of their targets they ran down stragglers miles from the battlefield denying them any chance of, rallying, reforming or resting. We need to non-violently emulate their tactics, when the Ukrainian intervention collapses, constantly reminding people how they were lied to, especially focusing on people who were regime supporters, harrying the ideologues, not allowing them to, rally, reform, or evade the intellectual implications of uncritically supporting the regime; linking this proven deception with others committed and others suspected,
Posted by: Milites | Apr 14 2023 16:05 utc | 20
three officials is over kill in common law only two are needed to swear to a suspicion….
Posted by: paddy | Apr 14 2023 16:08 utc | 21
@ Duncan Idaho | Apr 14 2023 15:55 utc | 13
that seems shortsighted.. truth and insight can be found in the most unlikely places...
Posted by: james | Apr 14 2023 16:09 utc | 22
constantly reminding people how they were lied to
@ Milites | Apr 14 2023 16:05 utc | 20
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Westerners will be reminded of their lies every time they buy coffee, if they can still afford it.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 14 2023 16:11 utc | 23
J.S. Herbst @7
Yes, the system is "really so rotten to put someone for decades in jail for nothing - or belonging to the "right" group". And has done in in full daylight for dozens of times. As for how one involves a patsy in a leak chain, there are hundreds of ways -- as also historically documented.
Posted by: Piero Colombo | Apr 14 2023 16:19 utc | 24
[email protected]
That sounds like a job for Cossacks.
Posted by: bevin | Apr 14 2023 16:26 utc | 25
Thanks for the insights b, and for the comments, bar. On this:
“Former CIA agent Larry Johnson says that the leak can not have come from the alleged 'leaker' who worked in the military as the 'leaked' stash contained at least on CIA document that would never be distributed outside of the agency.”
I’d like to refer the bar to a recent news piece by Canadian satire news outlet, The Beaverton. Just some food for thought.
Optometrists finally admit there is no difference between one and two
https://twitter.com/TheBeaverton/status/1646271982336450561
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Apr 14 2023 16:28 utc | 26
Searching Google for the keyword niggerbrap brings up leak-related pages. Here is s South Korean page with some pages I had not noticed before.
Confidential documents leaked have been sorted outPosted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 14 2023 16:34 utc | 27
not to sound like a broken record, but...limited hangout.
it's not too surprising when you look at the behavior of modern "journalists" (read as: millennial stenographers). their favorite thing to do is "doxxing" normal people as opposed to any actual work regarding higher-ups, billionaires, etc. that taylor lorenz twat is a prime example: she'll track down MAGA grandmas and the kids of twitter rivals like she's john wick and they killed her dog (but then whine like a bitch when someone does the "litural violins" of calling her out.)
as for this "leaker" dope, who knows. useful idiot? CIA plant? maybe he'll be "convicted" and then go hang out on the hidden island where jeff epstein and ken lay are currently tanning their wrinkly backs.
Posted by: the pair | Apr 14 2023 16:34 utc | 28
As cynical as I am, I believe the alleged perp is a plant from the get go. I would be interested to see how deep they went to create a back story. If I am right, they will go through the motions to convict him and then we will all forget about him once he enters Leavenworth. He, like the Skripals, will just disappear. Meanwhile, assuming I am correct, we are going to get fed a ton of additional BS, which is going to include a red MAGA hat and some more evidence of his hatred of jews, gays, blacks, trans or whatever can piss off the left the mist.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Apr 14 2023 16:59 utc | 29
Posted by: bevin | Apr 14 2023 16:26 utc | 25
Ah, slightly later, but diligent students of the stradioti, and perfect for the role of harassing a retreating European army across Russia. Hmm that scenario seems a bit familiar.
Posted by: too scents | Apr 14 2023 16:11 utc | 23
We Westerners will leave you some, but we get first dabs, Civil War rules and all, old chap.
I just want to make it perfectly clear, to any members of the intelligence fraternity, both governmental and their affiliates, who might be reading these posts that any martial references are metaphorical and in no way represent a desire to inflict actual physical harm upon anyone.
Posted by: Milites | Apr 14 2023 17:12 utc | 30
Gotta disagree. I think it was the 21 year old gamer, with regards to how he got hold of docs that shouldn't leave Cia premises, tech improvements and basic incompetence of the declining us empire can account for it.
One main point now it is for sure there were no tampering with the evidence with regards to casualty figures and the us Intel agencies were simply lying to cover up the Ukrainian casualty figures and were trying to damage control.
Posted by: A.z | Apr 14 2023 17:28 utc | 31
@ b.
So far that scheme has worked well.
Well, yes and no. Side effects tell a slightly different story.
What happened and immediately after the 'leak', is that many in 'high places', mainly in Pentagon, were deprived of their daily intelligence briefings. That means blinding of the crucial structure for national security corpus. That means a kind of soft coup within the ranks.
It also opens, and it does that publicly, a pretty sinister Pandora's box of very negative attitudes from the USA affiliated alliances that were spied on. Some but not all were surprised with the level of disinfo there.
Going through those 'forbidden papers' shows one thing that, it is not even very good intelligence that would show superb clandestine reach with an in-depth overview.
There are many mistakes there and, as I have been reading a batch of papers without pictures and diagrams aka CIA briefings, 'Bellingcat' style surfaces on many of them.
They even wrote Vagner and not Wagner which is exactly what would RF intel do.
So it must be Russians, I could imagine lousy press conclusion.
I would say, very clumsy info/disinfo operation with the aim to kill a few flies at once, miserably failed there.
Where it succeeded is mainly on its own turf, sure, restructuring its Intelligence Community and probably purging it overtime with more compliant and dilettantism affiliated 'Bellingcats'.
Shame on 'non state affiliated Western press' that suddenly became all the three-letter agencies at once and in unison.
This all will not end well and not very soon.
Posted by: whirlX | Apr 14 2023 17:30 utc | 32
Why would the National Gaurd, a military force for domestic emergencies, be given secret information about foreign operations?
That doesn't make sense. Unless if nothing in the mainstream narrative was true, as always.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Apr 14 2023 17:35 utc | 33
How to further government control of free speech:
1) Plant 'leaks' of information on various platforms
2) The leak contents should only be matters that most every informed person already knows, like "oh, the U.S. spies on allies" or "Ukraine elites have been stealing the billions in aid", or "Ukraine has been losing since the inception of the SMO" - REVEAL NO REAL SECRETS!
3) Mark that information 'secret' and 'top secret', and all the hints of something revealing.
4) Plant MSM stories to support the authenticity of the leaks. Quote the anonymous 'officials' to lend credence to the fake. Downplay the Wikileaks episode to make this leak seem really bad
5) Make an arrest of the 'perp' (make sure the backstory stands up better than six shlubs in a yacht in the Baltic!)
6) Get Washington to go crazy, fire up Uniparty outrage, so that #7 is a consequence
7) Encourage legislation to further censor and control free speech. Mission accomplished!
Posted by: Richard Whitney | Apr 14 2023 17:41 utc | 34
Shades of "Spy Kids", "Tinker, Sailor, Soldier, Spy", patsy Lee Harvey Oswald, & into the house of mirrors we go. Larry Joohnson raises some valid points. What is interesting, IMO, is that: 1) Usually when thee is a suspect, the authorities don't release names, so the one under investigation doesn't destroy evidence or flee; 2) How does the WaPo get all their information and present it without verifying, e.g. the darkened chat room friend who was interviewed - who vetted him - the individual seemed too glib - no ems, ers, pauses of an 'introverted teenager; 3) Teixeira was sitting on the deck reading something when he was arrested. he doesn't look up at the helicopter and he knows the FBI will be looking for him. (I'd be nervous as whell; 4) DOD requests that the media not publish released intel. WaPo merrily publishes from a cache no one else is able to find!!! How does this work. The problem now is that the format for presenting TS briefings is out there so anybody can do a "TS Document Swap" and insert whatever and any facts and figures and who and how is the document verified. 5) it doesn't make sense, if sensitive Russia intel is revelaed, might that not implicate someone who has infiltrated the Russian system? 6) It seems bizzare, that the WaPo and NYT don't own up to the contradictions that high ranking official have being lying or that the publications have been aiding and abetting those lies. Don't Miley and Mullen read those briefings? And why should anyone now believe anything that DOD , NYT, or WaPo says about Ukraine or Russia. 7) It seems Teixeira must have been pretty bright to have pilfered all this stuff under everyone's noses for such a while or that he allowed himself to be used by someone for intents unknown. Note: if this were a TV show, I'd say it was an elaborate Russian canary trap to ferret out a mole who had been fed priveleged information.
Posted by: TMartin | Apr 14 2023 17:47 utc | 35
Russian jets nearly shot down British surveillance plane over Black Sea in Sept.
if I am correct among these leaked documents there was also this small item, as NYT reported April 12th.
"Miscommunication Nearly Led to Russian Jet Shooting Down British Spy Plane, U.S. Officials Say
- Recently leaked intelligence documents called the incident, last year, a near shoot down. Officials said it was more serious than originally reported."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/12/world/europe/russian-jet-british-spy-plane.html?smid=tw-share
Despite now being ignored by most outlets I assume, this would have surpassed everything else in these leaks being discussed.
I paste the NYT text here, in case it will disappear in a few days, because this is the kind of stuff every politician war-mongering as they may be MUST accept as a simple fact and draw the only possible conclusion.
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NEW YORK TIMES
LONDON — A Russian fighter jet fired a missile at a manned British surveillance aircraft flying over the Black Sea in September but the munition malfunctioned, according to U.S. defense officials and a recently leaked classified U.S. intelligence report. The incident was far more serious than originally portrayed and could have amounted to an act of war.
According to two U.S. defense officials, the Russian pilot had misinterpreted what a radar operator on the ground was saying to him and thought he had permission to fire. The pilot, who had locked on the British aircraft, fired, but the missile did not launch properly.
In October, Britain’s defense secretary, Ben Wallace, described the close call in a briefing to Parliament members as “potentially dangerous” after the Russian fighter jet “released a missile in the vicinity” of the British aircraft. But one of the leaked documents said the Sept. 29 event was a “near-shoot down.”
The Russian Embassy in Washington did not respond to a request for comment.
The dance between surveillance aircraft from the United States and other NATO countries, and Russian fighter jets over the Black Sea has played out for years, especially after Russia illegally annexed Crimea in 2014. Tensions have only grown as Ukraine increasingly relies on Western-gathered intelligence to push back against the Russian invasion that began last year.
Last month, a Russian warplane knocked into a U.S. surveillance drone over the Black Sea, hitting the drone’s propeller and causing it to crash in international waters. The collision was the first known physical contact between the Russian and American militaries since the war in Ukraine started.
The two U.S. defense officials with direct knowledge of the near shoot down in September confirmed the seriousness of the encounter between the British plane — a four-engine aircraft known as an RC-135 Rivet Joint — and two Russian Su-27 fighter jets. The British aircraft is often manned with a crew of around 30 people and is capable of intercepting radio traffic.
The defense officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, said the British Rivet Joint was listening to intercepted communications between a Russian radar controller on the ground and one of the pilots of the Russian Su-27s dispatched to monitor the aircraft.
The British Rivet Joint was in international airspace off the coast of Russian-occupied Crimea. The pilots of the Russian aircraft were not in visual range of the British patrol but were equipped with missiles capable of hitting it, the officials said.
One of the officials who was briefed on the encounter called it “really, really scary.”
Asked to comment on The New York Times’s reporting and the leaked document, a British defense official said in a statement, “A significant proportion of the content of these reports is untrue, manipulated, or both. We strongly caution against anybody taking the veracity of these claims at face value and would also advise them to take time to question the source and purpose of such leaks.”
In his October briefing to lawmakers, Mr. Wallace said that he took his concerns following the incident to the Russian military, including Russia’s minister of defense, Sergei K. Shoigu. The Kremlin indicated there had been a “technical malfunction,” Mr. Wallace said, adding that he did not consider the incident a deliberate escalation by the Russians, according to a Reuters report at the time.
Mr. Wallace said that in the wake of the incident, surveillance flights were initially suspended, but then were restarted with fighter aircraft escorts. Now, British Rivet Joints patrolling over the Black Sea fly with at least one Typhoon fighter jet alongside.
The September episode has eerie echoes of a time during the Cold War when Soviet fighter jets scrambled to intercept what they feared was a hostile aircraft that was actually Korean Air Lines Flight 007, a Boeing 747 passenger jet. The airliner had accidentally flown into Soviet airspace, and after a Soviet pilot gave a partial description of the passenger jet to a ground radar station, he was given permission to fire.
All 269 people aboard were killed after two air-to-air missiles slammed into the aircraft.
With tensions high and miscommunication a staple of wartime environments, NATO surveillance flights are now flying farther away from Crimea than required by international law. Instead of as close as 12 miles off the coast, which counts as international airspace, the U.S. military is currently observing a wider limit of about 46 miles, which is described in one of the leaked documents as a “SECDEF Directed Standoff.”
The classified documents also point to a number of air-to-air incidents involving Russian aircraft and NATO planes and drones that occurred since the Sept. 29 near shoot down. From Oct. 1 to Feb. 22, British, French and American flights reacted to six different events in which Russian aircraft approached their patrols, from distances of six nautical miles to just 100 feet.
Thomas Gibbons-Neff is a Ukraine correspondent and a former Marine infantryman. @tmgneff
Eric Schmitt is a senior writer who has traveled the world covering terrorism and national security. He was also the Pentagon correspondent. A member of the Times staff since 1983, he has shared four Pulitzer Prizes. @EricSchmittNYT
Posted by: AG | Apr 14 2023 17:51 utc | 36
RE: I wonder why they picked such a low level scrub to be the scapegoat? No way in hell he had any access to CIA files.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Apr 14 2023 15:13 utc | 3
Easy, becasue he is the lowest level and harmless in every way to the real leaker. The kid is barely old enough to drink and likely was spoon fed the files like baby food to an infant. He took the bait. He is innocent and incapable of accessing such files, much less really understanding what he was doing. The perfect stooge for this plot.
Posted by: JustTruth | Apr 14 2023 17:55 utc | 37
I just liked the part where it detailed the t55's and t64's ukraine was going to use, so soon after a spate of propoganda about russia using those old tanks because they lost so many.
why is projection so common with propogandists?
Must be something there, psychologically speaking.
Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Apr 14 2023 18:11 utc | 38
JustTruth @ 37
Not sure how he got the documents but I think he will most likely confess to showing off to his buddies. Not that this will satisfy the 'patsy' theorists for a minute.
I'll be happy if the 'leak' helps end the war in Ukraine.
Posted by: dh | Apr 14 2023 18:14 utc | 39
I guess using "in the minecraft discord server" is not as good of catch phrase as "in minecraft"
Posted by: hashr | Apr 14 2023 18:24 utc | 40
Posté par : psychohistorien | 14 avril 2023 15:08 UTC | 1
Your link is a bomb.
And so yes, pour into madness
Posted by: la bouteille | Apr 14 2023 18:35 utc | 41
>> The Biden administration is looking at expanding how it monitors social media sites and chatrooms after U.S. intelligence agencies failed to spot classified Pentagon documents circulating online for weeks
Private (chat-)rooms are private for a reason: Because they are off-limits to the government, Bellingcat, the New York Times and all other orwellian busybodies who prefer to nose around into other people's business instead of fixing their own problems.
Posted by: Marvin | Apr 14 2023 18:48 utc | 42
Leaks will be used for even more oppression at home, and to blame the narcissists favorite target. Some one else is at fault. Merica can no longer rape the rest of the world its home audiences better get lubed. Their rape is comin.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 14 2023 18:48 utc | 43
wherever they are, the Palestinians will be driven from their land.
Posted by: la bouteille | Apr 14 2023 18:48 utc | 44
an unusual piece of short propaganda on Judging Freedom:
"Leaked Docs & Leaker Arrest - COMPLETE BREAKDOWN w John Jordan"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5C0UjTzq9g
This is, may be not by accident, the first talk with former Intel guy John Jordan, Napolitano is having.
Posted by: AG | Apr 14 2023 19:01 utc | 45
Yes, good thesis, b.
Yet another excuse for clamping down on domestic misinformation that could rile more patriots to the antiestablishment side.
In lieu of not being the top dog on planet earth, the elites are forced to clamp down to control what they have left domestically.
A.i. and all the hyperbole around it will also give casus belli to destroy the exchange of actual information on the net. It's coming.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 14 2023 19:16 utc | 47
So my take is this is a sting operation. For reasons explained elsewhere and at length. The target is people who question the official narrative about what is going on in Ukraine. And a lot of other stuff. If you can't win a real war then win the information war. Close down dissent. With menaces maybe? Once dissent is silenced then you can proclaim a victory. You think this is off beam? Consider the BS re the Jan 6th "insurrection". This is a first [??] step in a slow burn suppression of free speech and being able to expound critical thinking. Sites like this are on the target list.
Posted by: marcjf | Apr 14 2023 19:28 utc | 48
Are the leaks real? Is this kid a patsy? What is disinformation?
All irrelevant, ignore the means and focus on the ends.
I think that b is mostly right, but a few comments.
We know that the government wants us to see these leaks because the MSM won't shut up about it. After Seymour Hersh' NS story, crickets. After these maybe leaks, 24/7 front page news orgy.
1, The leak will increase calls for censorship, intel lockdowns, and increased spying on the American people.
2, The MSM and US officials are making SURE that we know the leaks are legit. But, we haven't seen all the docs that we know about. And they have hinted there might be more that we don't know about. So, the MSM have carte blache to break a new story, already vetted, under the umbrella of the vetted leaks.
3, The spring offensive has an excise to cancelled or delayed. Canceled if Washington has decided to throw in the towel. Delayed until summer if Washington has decided to escalate with NATO or Polish troops.
As many barflies here have inferred, it's not quite clear as yet whether these are indeed genuine leaks, or just props to be made to look like leaks. I haven't follow closely the contents of the leaks, but what little I am aware of did not blow my mind or expectations. In other words, I haven't yet seen any info that cause me to say: oh geez, how could that be... That means I don't think I've seen anything earth shaking, or stuff that the Empire couldn't stand being leaked.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 14 2023 19:44 utc | 50
It is an interesting theory, and one i was also heading towards as i scrolled down the article.
It does not answer the question though, of why the leaks included details of spying on allies, particularly South Korea, where apparently there is quite an uproar about the US pressure to provide weapons to Ukraine and Cabinet Ministerial level meetings being listened in on by Uncle Sam.
It is doubtful the CIA would deliberately risk kicking up a hornets nest with a key Asian-Pacific ally, at a time when it is looking to confront China over Taiwan. There are many other aspects to the leaks that certainly appear damaging to the US.
Perhaps the young officer arrested was the furthest up the chain of custody they were willing or able to go, and prefer to deal with the real leaker privately, assuming it was a very high ranking officer, lest the embarrassment continue, or to not feed into any narratives of disunity and factionalism.
Perhaps there is more than one source to these leaks, which could explain the staggered and unusual nature of their dissemination, and in order to do some damage control, some other documents were leaked to create some background noise, distract from the fallout while at the same time pursue the 2 goals outlined above by MoA.
A clearer understanding of the order in which each document was first leak could help shed more light on the matter.
Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 14 2023 19:45 utc | 51
if some on the community wanted to put the breaks on the warmongering bullshit - this is one way to do it - for all the shit the usa admin are throwing constantly towards both russia and china.. that is why i maintain it is infighting over the direction the usa is going in..
Posted by: james | Apr 14 2023 19:59 utc | 52
I've been ignoring this story--does not interest me. Everything that comes out of Washington and its propaganda organs is a lie even if true. Quite simply, we are in post-Constitutional political system (in the USA) which is mainly oligarchs pushing money and muscle where they can to get what they want. Fortunately for us they are in competition with each other and the documents may or may not be what they claim to be but they appear to be weapons in some internal Deep State struggle.
Though most alt commentators believe they are accurate, I'm much more skeptical since the biggest growth industry in Washington is covert ops. Everything important is an op of one kind or another--Washington is in full time manipulating publics around the world. We are way past any system of accountability about anything--Washington operates mainly by brute force.
Some here think that it is a way to push for more repressive legislation--maybe that's part of it but not the main part.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 14 2023 20:11 utc | 54
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/trading-with-the-enemy
Another sy hersh piece. This one claims that Russia is suppling Ukraine with the diesel for its tanks. Naturally, there are basic true-false concerns about the info.
But even if true, this could just be things being bought and sold. RF sells to X. X sells to Y. Y sells to Ukraine.
Even assuming that sort of setup, it reveals how the world contains multiple simultaneously playing layers and levels. In the trenches, the working class stiffs are slicing and dicing each other in brutal ways, inflicting death or lifelong debilitating wounds hour after hour. The commanding generals on both sides are far away from the actual kinetics. Meanwhile diplomats use the ground conflict to horse trade long term trade deals having little or nothing to do with the battlefield area. Meanwhile international business corporations can be making hand over fist from the conflict including arbitraging various 'supply chain' disruptions caused thereby.
It's all par for the course. But mistaking any given conflict as one between a demon and an angel, including believing that the side one backs is clean and pure, is IMO a tad naive.
And so it goes...
I wonder why they picked such a low level scrub to be the scapegoat? No way in hell he had any access to CIA files.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Apr 14 2023 15:13 utc | 3
That's simple. Opportunity. His previous unauthorized accesses of classified information were detected and he has probably been monitored for months. Since he posted all of the classified information he got to social media, he was predictable, the perfect patsy. All that needed to be done is keep him around until a patsy was needed.
Posted by: First Time Poster | Apr 14 2023 20:20 utc | 56
Though most alt commentators believe they are accurate, I'm much more skeptical since the biggest growth industry in Washington is covert ops. Everything important is an op of one kind or another--Washington is in full time manipulating publics around the world.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 14 2023 20:11 utc | 54
Well said - including the earlier part about not being interested in the leak story.
Put another way: 'the greater the authenticity quotient the more likely everything therein is false.'
Not a domestic leak..it is highly probable the docs were circulating (as worksheets) in a NATO Command & Control Centre……on the ground ….in Ukraine…Otherwise why would you have a TS-NOFORN classification for domestic intel inside the US? As if you have loads of foreigners working at Langley. From a Russian POV this is hard evidence (smoking gun) that the US is running the show on the battlefield in the Ukraine war and thus justifies further strikes on NATO C&C Centres…. even outside of Ukraine in NATO member countries…will be a major escalation is this happens… and no one in Washington wants that do they?
So enter and frame a 21 YO US James Bond wannabe to get ahead of what could be an out of control situation in Ukraine for NATO…. The problem is the docs are legit, but their origine is not..
Posted by: Adam Troy | Apr 14 2023 20:33 utc | 58
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Apr 14 2023 20:11 utc | 54:
Though most alt commentators believe they are accurate, I'm much more skeptical since the biggest growth industry in Washington is covert ops. Everything important is an op of one kind or another--Washington is in full time manipulating publics around the world. We are way past any system of accountability about anything--Washington operates mainly by brute force.
Well said!!! I agree with you on this thesis.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 14 2023 20:40 utc | 59
> Even so, why does this unit need access to intel on such a wide range of topics: spying on Mossad, Egyptian rocket development, Wagner activities in Haiti and Africa?
I thought the US had the mad system of broad levels of classification and if you have access at level whatever then you can see all documents at level whatever - relevant to your role or not - rather than a 'need to know' basis.
This is the main reason behind the series of US leaks.
Posted by: Nah | Apr 14 2023 20:58 utc | 60
M of A: "It is likely that Biden will now push for even more extreme censorship, i.e. the RESTRICT Act, to become law."
anyone remember the Cheney-Wolfowitz 'full spectrum dominance' thingy from back in the early 2000s (and even before)
well, now it's the Democrats' turn to turn that full spectrum dominance thingy onto the internal civil society/online communities
and the end of that all? Well, I guess even more social/psychological/political control over the American public, especially the younger public's minds, so the Ruling Elites can manufacture consent for war/sinister activities against Russia, China and Iran et. al. that much easier.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 14 2023 21:08 utc | 61
Militias @ 20, 30, Bevin @ 25:
I believe some of the First Nations groups in parts of the US may still have knowledge of light cavalry tactics or similar fighting strategies against the US Army. They did fight long wars against the US and some groups were actually more than a match for the US Army, or part of it, especially at the Battle of Little Bighorn in 1876. Eventually they had to make their peace with the US govt after the latter resorted to scorched-earth tactics (such as massacring bison herds) and pushing them into more marginal lands.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Apr 14 2023 21:20 utc | 62
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Russia or pro-Russian elements are likely behind the leak of several classified U.S. military documents posted on social media that offer a partial, month-old snapshot of the war in Ukraine, three U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, while the Justice Department said separately it was probing the leak.
The documents appear to have been altered ...
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This is worth some parsing/analysis. Note "likely", "behind" and "appear", so however well informed, the trio of officials derived their conclusions not from the facts hitherto unknown to the public, but on their ruminations. Why and how it is of any importance to non-officials?
One important message is that WHATEVER THE VERACITY, any discussion on the leaked documents is tainted, discussions foster malign and poisonous Russian disinformation, regardless of intentions of the people who engage in such discussions. Once forewarned, if they continue to discuss, they are objectively pro-Russian (if not already Russian), and as a collective, a contamination site. In particularly, all people posting in this thread are part of that contamination.
That may raise a question if the three officials are not equally contaminated? At the time when they communicated with the media, they surely were, but being officials, by now their brains were washed from toxic memories, and in the future, the only aspect they will recall is "it was some bad stuff". And with easy exercises that one can perform at home, any member of the public can cleanse his/her/whatever mind too.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 14 2023 21:27 utc | 63
And while the public is lapping up the leak scandal of the moment it is interesting to see what is not getting front page coverage like the below from Wall Street On Parade
New Bombshells Filed in Court in the Jeffrey Epstein/JPMorgan Child Sex Trafficking Case
The quote
There is also this:
“One internal document [obtained from JPMorgan Chase] describes the account of Epstein’s ‘assistant or young lady he brought over from Prague (or some place like that),’ clearly referring to Jane Doe 1. The document describes charges in New York, Palm Beach, and St. Thomas for lingerie and other sexually explicit material. Elsewhere, JP Morgan describes media reports referring to the fact that Epstein purchased her at age 14. She remained a customer of JP Morgan, and Epstein paid her more than $600,000, from his accounts at JP Morgan, including more than $165,000 after Epstein’s plea.”
All of this raises the critical question as to why this case has been left to the Attorney General of the U.S. Virgin Islands to bring to the federal court in Manhattan. Where is the highest law enforcement agency in the U.S. – the criminal division of the U.S. Department of Justice. For the insidious failings of the Department of Justice in the Epstein matter, see our 2019 report here.
The public is shown the movie the God Of Mammon cult wants them to see, not the one of their proles behind the curtain.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 14 2023 21:28 utc | 64
Re: West of England Andy | Apr 14 2023 15:36 utc | 8
...
Months later, and well after the trip, Congress allocated $50 million to Ukraine's energy market."I'm sitting back there with a tape recorder. Jake Sullivan comes back and somebody asks about fracking. His answer is, well, we're bringing a lot of American assistance over for fracking. Burisma was the direct beneficiary of that fracking, and that's what I recorded, and that's in a White House transcript," McCormick said.
https://roarmag.org/essays/frackanpada-anti-fracking-movement/
Energy from Below: the anti-fracking movement
July 15, 2015
Clare Faucet, Eleanor Finley... In 2010, the US State Department hosted a global conference to promote fracking called Global Shale Gas Initiative. Over seventeen countries participated in the event, which misleadingly upheld fracking as a “transition fuel” and a guaranteed path to national energy independence.
... The passage of TTIP (the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) will of course make fracking in Europe more widespread. This massive new trade negotiation between the United States and the European Union has several mechanisms which take decision-making power about fracking from local, regional and even national governments and place it in the hands of the global financial elite.
First, TTIP promises to eliminate regulatory “redundancies” around environment, labor and public health. Second, it will make US economic interests part of negotiating EU production quotas. Third, TTIP paves the way for corporations to sue national, regional and local governments should they ban a practice (like fracking) once a permit has been acquired...
Posted by: Linda Wood | Apr 14 2023 21:45 utc | 66
Another good interview at Judging Freedom.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 14 2023 22:02 utc | 67
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhkxsDsfkbQ
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 14 2023 22:05 utc | 68
Duncan Idaho, Why do you assume he went into the Army voluntarily?
Nearly 60 years ago, I "volunteered" for the U.S. Air Force. Air quotes around that word, because it was under the threat of being drafted, and during the Vietnam War at that. Following that, I stayed in the reserves long enough to qualify for a pension.
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 14 2023 22:11 utc | 69
Piotr Berman | Apr 14 2023 21:27 utc | 63
I have seen the two side by side. They were put up by somebody perhaps on twitter and were trying prove that the one with the higher numbers had been altered. Although had done is photograph the one with the rough 7-1 loss ratio in Russia's favor slightly out of focus and the one with the roughly 2-1 in Ukraine's properly focused.
I suspect both versions are part of the genuine tranche they wanted to get out into the wild.
A reasonably accurate version perhaps for when the size of Ukraine's losses do become public at some stage and a version that it little close to current propaganda.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 14 2023 22:25 utc | 70
IN THE FALLOUT from the Pentagon document leaks, a troubling trend has emerged: Journalists seem to be eagerly volunteering their efforts to help the Pentagon and Justice Department facilitate an investigation into the source of the leaks, with no discussion of the ethical ramifications. If the individual — whose identity has been published by journalists, and who has now been arrested by federal authorities — had shared precisely the same classified materials with reporters, regardless of his motivations, he would be tirelessly defended as a source.NPR recently decried being labeled by Twitter as state-affiliated media, writing that this is a label Twitter uses “to designate official state mouthpieces and propaganda outlets.” That unrelated controversy is notable given that an NPR staffer seems to have deputized himself to act as a government investigator by posting image analyses on Twitter. (While NPR has announced that its official organizational accounts have quit Twitter, individual staff accounts still appear to be active.)
NPR senior editor and correspondent Geoff Brumfiel on Monday combed through artifacts visible in the periphery of the photos of the leaks, as well as collating findings others have discovered, itemizing and explaining each one. Though Brumfiel claimed that his roundup was “largely pointless,” he was effectively performing free labor for the Justice Department, and his posts may corroborate the identity of a suspect. For instance, it may be possible for investigators to analyze a suspect’s credit card purchase history to see if he at some point ordered the objects in question. Brumfiel did not respond to a request for comment in time for publication.
The saving grace here appears to be that the analysis — as is all too often the case with open-source sleuthing on social media — was flawed. Less than 15 minutes after proclaiming he was “confident” that a manual partially visible in some of the photos of leaked documents was for a particular model of scope, others pointed out that in fact the manual was clearly for a different model. “I regret the error,” responded Brumfiel. To his credit, Brumfiel does freely admit in his bio to being “Mostly stupid on the Twitter,” though in this case that self-professed stupidity may put someone’s liberty at risk.
As per Pepe Escobar, the circus is indeed in town and they aren't leaving any time soon.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 14 2023 22:30 utc | 71
Re: Linda Wood | Apr 14 2023 21:45 utc | 66
I want to correct the spelling of the name of one of the authors of the article about fracking. It is:
Clair Fauset
I was unable to copy and paste the title and authors' names, so I typed those words, but typed that name incorrectly. The rest of the text I was able to copy and paste.
Posted by: Linda Wood | Apr 14 2023 22:37 utc | 72
Over the last day I saw dozens of “the leaks say” articles on Telegram, Bitchute, RT and Youtube.
If containment was ever a goal, it sure was badly implemented.
I’m sticking to my speculation that Mr. Pat Sy was indeed trying to be smart on discord by proving his case, having had some printed out briefing materials to do so. Stubborn, invincible youth. He was noticed and at the right time they expanded and exploded the “Op” for the agencies own purposes at the agencies chosen timeline. Hard to determine what’s true, what is pure disinfo and what is mixes of “truthiness” (looks true but isn’t, may have truth mixed in or may be close to the truth).
I would be very careful repeating anything in the release, as we really don’t know the real targets.
I am also trying to find a little humor in the whole mess, it did get the attention of the Bandera Nazi loving filth. They bought a ticket to Crimea, but the ticket says “Nowhere”.
America, land of the woke joke.
Posted by: Fudup | Apr 14 2023 22:59 utc | 73
« I Oversaw the Massachusetts Air National Guard. I Cannot Fathom How This Happened.»
Based on my experience, I am at a loss to explain why a 21-year-old member of the state intelligence wing, who does not appear to have been working in any federal capacity, would need access to the kind of materials whose release has so unnerved the Pentagon and supporters of the Ukrainian war effort.
Posted by: neutrino | Apr 14 2023 23:03 utc | 74
I love Catturd2:
>…”The Biden regime … “The leaker is a right-wing, gun-loving, racist, anti-Semitic lunatic.”
“Me … “Why did your administration give a top security clearance to a right-wing, gun-loving, racist, anti-Semitic lunatic?”
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1646928387053608972
Posted by: Melaleuca | Apr 15 2023 0:05 utc | 75
Teixera is starting to get some support.
"MAGA-world is rushing to defend Jack Teixeira, the accused Pentagon leaker who allegedly dumped secret documents online to impress his teenage gamer buddies.."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/maga-world-rushing-defend-jack-221759463.html
Posted by: dh | Apr 15 2023 0:41 utc | 76
Naked Capitalism adds an update to its story from Michael Tracy:
Some of the leaked documents are marked EXDIS which is at least nominally supposed to be used only for the most "highly sensitive traffic" between the White House and the State Department. This probably was not envisioned to include the Massachusetts Air National Guard.
That makes three different categories of docs the kid would never have access to and had to be provided with. Again, the Kid is Oswald; Biden's the target. Those pulling the triggers are hidden behind the bureaucratic curtain; but, again which faction are they from?
I suspect that the National Guard member's first leaks were detected. The possibility that he was devoutly religious and a gun enthusiast, or at least could be misportrayed as such, was an irresistible opportunity. The US Intelligence Community then exploited the leaker. Selected documents that he normally would not have had access to were transferred to the computer system that he was tasked to work on. The Biden administration or the handlers of the Senile Sock Puppet had the two goals that you described: Creating a pretext to cease supporting Ukraine and justify more stringent surveillance of the American people. The chosen scapegoat also enabled the Democrats to demonize their political enemies.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Apr 15 2023 1:43 utc | 78
"The How and the Who is just scenery for the public, keeps 'em guessing like some kind of parlour game, and prevents 'em from asking the real question: Why?"
~ Mr.X, JFK
Posted by: Rattus | Apr 15 2023 1:52 utc | 79
There is no limit to the lengths the 3 letter agencies will go to push their narrative, always finding new ways to bombard us with lies dressed up as truth. Like releasing top secret documents in multiple releases, the initial release containing not widely known truths and accurate and honest assessments which establishes credibility and the overall acceptance of the documents authenticity.
Once credibility is established with the first release the real dis/misinformation can be included in the follow up documents and this can easily be missed because we already know the documents are authentic so we don’t have to question that do we?
But anyone who has been paying attention to Ukraine the last several years already knows about the truth contained in the first release of these documents so there isn’t much information we didn’t already know.
So what is the real narrative the intel agencies wish to embed into the public consciousness? Reporting as fact that China has agreed to supply Russia with weapons? And anything else they need to further the aims of Empire, as much as they can get away with at any one time like more censorship because our national security depends on it and these documents are proof of that!
Posted by: John G | Apr 15 2023 2:04 utc | 80
Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 14 2023 20:14 utc | 55
>>> Another sy hersh piece. This one claims that Russia is suppling Ukraine with the diesel for its tanks. Naturally, there are basic true-false concerns about the info. <<<
Lol. Could it be that Russia facilitates the AFU with it's own fuel (directly or indirectly) to actually ***help it get its and NATO-US weapons to the front lines*** so Russia can gradually destroy them ... thus de-weaponising NATO?!?! Lol.
Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 15 2023 2:05 utc | 81
As I said in previous thread, some real implications:
The (presumably) E3 (or even E2) had superiors. The E5, LT, CPT, and even unit CO (probably a COL) will all have to be responsible in some way. The next in line would be have suspended security, and placed in limbo while being investigated. The CO will likely be retiring soon. Others in the chain will find they aren't getting promotions, and will be attrited out. ONLY if this is truly as presented.
If that doesn't happen, then it was all a set up.
And again, why isn't he in Military Jail? A direct breaking of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) which has special provisions for security violations?
Why?
Because a military prison is well run. And relatively small.
A civilian prison, well, guards take breaks, and have shift changes, and forget to track prisoners sometimes, and can fall asleep. Just so many things.
And when those happen, prisoners tend to commit suicide. Yes, troubled young men especially. Young men who might be facing life in prison. They hang themselves with non-existent belts, etc.
Unfortunately, this will be happening soon for this young man.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Apr 15 2023 2:15 utc | 82
Real villain England must be annihilated now-enough of piracy!
Germans are being forced to commit suicide by Americans because England wants usa to bankrupt and destroy Germany and Russia both. As it tried in 1st world war (plotted by Milner group) and 2nd World War.
In 2nd world war plotted by england to make Germany fight Russia and destroy each other, the Soviets lost 27 millions while Russia lost 20 million people but england and usa combined lost only 700 thousand people. All because 3/4th of German army fought on Eastern front and 80 percent of German causality was by the soviets. English, as usual were watching the war from side after putting light to the fuse.
All wars in Europe have been consequence of english plots to make two European nations (usually the two strongest ones) fight each other. Including 1st world war and then 2nd World War.
Gulf war was plotted by witch thatcher, first Iraq war by criminal tony blair- this Syrian war again by english rats which borne their ugly child ISIS.
Tony Blair, who, when occupied Iraq, claimed that "we will become the British Empire again," meaning that he will occupy the rest of the world too!
Now the british are repackaging their dream as global Britain. Only when wars become unpopular, the english stop taking credit for that and let blame be placed on Jews.
and stupid people including hitler blamed jews while it was all along the english parasites who l destabilise, plot and run the war (but those cowards do not fight in beginning-they come late to feast on already weakened enemy of the day.).
Posted by: Sam | Apr 15 2023 2:19 utc | 83
4TH June, 2007.
President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia must target england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how Germany wes vilified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM againstt Russia. BBc spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
-such is the evil propaganda of British spies inside america. .
poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which must be stopped now.
-such is the evil propaganda of British spies inside america. . poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards. It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which must be stopped now. Napoléon was the greatest general of the western world in last 2000 years. He was a great man too. only mistake he did was not to attack England and kill the english race-instead he attacked Russia and destroyed 95% of his grand army. Napoléon should have attacked and burn england so that the world wouldn’t have to bear the curse of having english race on the earth. we can still do it by making Europe again fight against the english parasite shopkeepers.
Posted by: Sam | Apr 15 2023 2:20 utc | 84
Lol. Could it be that Russia facilitates the AFU with it's own fuel (directly or indirectly) to actually ***help it get its and NATO-US weapons to the front lines*** so Russia can gradually destroy them ... thus de-weaponising NATO?!?! Lol.
Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 15 2023 2:05 utc | 81
Ha ha ha!
Posted by: The Dolphin | Apr 15 2023 2:05 utc | 81
Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 15 2023 2:21 utc | 85
Yes, of course it's true. RF is doing a fantastic job...or should I say NATO is doing a fantastic job of keeping the meatgrinder fed...and the feeding continues. Boggles my mind how UKR keeps the RF meat grinder going by keeping up with what they're doing.
Posted by: nathan in WA US | Apr 15 2023 2:48 utc | 86
Unfolding current events are all pointing out that young lad's bragging rights were exploited to the max. Strict monitoring of individuals with access to T.S. is a fundamental rule of intelligence. Once the leaker got identified - it was fed with whatever was meant and destined to reach the other end exchange. As soon as monitoring concluded there was no exchange involved, all plans were adjusted accordingly. It explains a lot why all those leaks were not originated to porn hub or any other private/public server. End of story. The rest is speculations on national patriotism versus greed...
Posted by: Alex Vadim | Apr 15 2023 2:51 utc | 87
Re: Jack Teixeira.
All the Fake News outlets in Oz (RT & CGTN were scrubbed from the airwaves in Oz more than a year ago) are saying that Teixeira "has been charged under the US Espionage Act."
Has any barfly checked whether this is the same ancient Espionage Act under which Julian Assange was charged/framed, or is there more than one?
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 15 2023 3:01 utc | 88
Piotr Berman | Apr 14 2023 21:27 utc | 63
Re the two casual ratio docs. The document were placed on 4chan by spooks using an argument between a pro Russian and pro Ukrainian of which side was winning. The bellingcat story is that a pro Russian boy gamer used the docs to prove he was right.
That's were the 7-1 kill ratio in Russia's favor doc comes in. Those documents were placed on 4chan targeting Russians or pro Russians. perhaps even tipping some off that had large numbers of followers. Once the documents have been priced up and a circulating on social media the 7-1 is removed and replaced with the 2-1 ratio in Russia's favour.
It was certainly a spook that loaded those images as they had to e changed once the docs where in circulation.
What makes it quite likely DD was tipped off, maybe a comment under a post in the DD channel perhaps, is that bellingcat has a screen shot of the post with the docs, showing the time stamp, and a screen shot of the 4chan post of the docs showing the time stamp on them.
About two hours from the time the docs were placed on 4chan until they appeared on the DD telegram channel.
If the DD channel has been tipped off or any others for that matter, its just a matter of keeping an eye on those channels until the docs appear then get a screen shot.
And as I put in my above comment, the doc with the 7-1 casualty ratio was taken slightly out of focus so it would look just a bit different to all the other docs. I have been searching for those two pictures side by side but can no longer find them.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2023 3:29 utc | 89
@Sam 83 and 84
I would not discount your hypothesis. Those Rhodes and Milner spawns have mingled with the Schwab and Soros eugenicist types to cover all angles and misdirect as necessary.
However, it is all irrelevant because the real curtain munchers will never be caught or found out...such is the game they play. The only way to defeat them is to take away their power i.e. money. If they don't succeed in starting WWIII it looks increasingly likely they will have to hibernate (metaphorically speaking) for a very long time.
Posted by: Tentaki | Apr 15 2023 3:40 utc | 90
karlof1 | Apr 15 2023 1:07 utc | 77
That's interesting.I din't recall if it was Larry Johnson or somebody else said a batch of documents like that is whats prepared for the whitehouse daily briefing. I do remember that Johnson in an interview with Judge N did say only the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would put together a package of documents like that for the daily whitehouse briefing.
DNI - I have a feeling I was getting the installs wrong in some of my ealier comments.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2023 3:48 utc | 91
@ Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 15 2023 3:01 utc | 88
Teixeira has been charged under two laws, not the Espionage Act, seen here.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 15 2023 3:56 utc | 92
@ Don Bacon | Apr 15 2023 3:56 utc | 92
that only works for someone with an nyt account... copy and paste if you want others to see it.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Apr 15 2023 4:01 utc | 93
Yesterday on Napolitano's show, Larry Johnson said he doubted there were anything like 50 or 100 documents, as he'd seen only a dozen or so.
So I sent him a link to my Google Drive collection of the documents, which he acknowledged to me 24 minutes ago he had not seen.
I just sent him a link to Melaleuca's original post as well as the links to the Chinese Web site, which I neglected to provide in my first email.
And yes, I did credit Melaleuca. Here's his post.
For those who don't remember Melaleuca's post, here are the links again (you need a translator, as they are in Chinese):
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/620436462
https://archive.is/cxo8t
And once again, the link to my collection on Google Drive:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Iw78UJipkfRvWEHfE10U4yUnAfR0178V?usp=share_link
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 15 2023 4:01 utc | 94
Teixeira charges
I saw no reference to the Espionage Act in the charges published by the NYTimes, but here comes WaPo with--
"Teixeira, 21, appeared shortly after 10 a.m. Eastern time before Magistrate Judge David Hennessy of the U.S. District Court in Boston, where he was presented with charges under the Espionage Act." . .here
So apparently I may stand corrected, but I've skimmed through the charges again and don't see Espionage Act.
. . .james: I have no NYT account, and the pdf can't be copied.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 15 2023 4:15 utc | 95
Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 15 2023 3:01 utc | 88
The show for the gullible goes on. Every thing from 4chan back to where those docs originated is fiction. AKA Bellingcrap.
I just posted this at my VK. Just a page to help sort fact from fiction rather than speculate the purpose of the pysops. That young man that was arrested on video as part of the show was just as much part of the team as the supposedly teenager interviewed by wapo.
https://vk.com/@739151204-facts-and-fictions-in-the-leaked-documents-story
I have linked three very interesting videos there, Judge N interviewing Larry Johnson, Douglas Macgregor and Tony Shaffer.
Tony Shaffer was shown the video of the arrest, I think his background was naval intelligence. Its the first time I have run onto him. He said there was way that was a real arrest. I forget his reasons now. This it it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhkxsDsfkbQ
On the espionage Scott Ritter said that he was charged with espionage in an interview the other day. Something to do with his job as UN weapons inspector in Iraq re WMD. O don't remember the full details but he faced court. FBI stuffed up though. They rained his psychiatrist during the trial, Ritter's laywer complained to the Judge and the judge stopped the trial and refused to convene a new trial.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2023 4:25 utc | 96
The two laws used for the Teixeira charges are 18 U.S.C. 793(b) and (d) and 18 U.S.C. 1924.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 15 2023 4:27 utc | 97
Went to Melaleuca's first link RHS reposted and near the top found the two casualty docs side by side, only this time the slightly Ukraine winning doc that is slightly blurred. Rather than there being any being any difference in the quality of the originals, it seems to be what resolution each image is at the online source they are taken from.
https://pic4.zhimg.com/v2-db8509f1b30c66a6d3e4dc1e7262c073_r.jpg
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2023 4:38 utc | 99
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 15 2023 4:25 utc | 96
"They rained his psychiatrist during the trial, Ritter's laywer complained to the Judge and the judge stopped the trial and refused to convene a new trial."
That's what happened with Daniel Ellsberg, not Ritter. Ritter was recounting Ellsberg's case.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 15 2023 4:38 utc | 100
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Thanks for the posting b
The beatings will continue until moral improves.....
The shit show continues until Hollywood is shut down.....
Empire is losing the civilization war and the multi-polar caravan is growing and rolling along while empire sinks further into madness
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 14 2023 15:08 utc | 1