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March 21, 2023
Ukraine SitRep – Avdiivka

Bakhmut is encircled. All roads in and out of it are under Russian artillery fire. Over the last three days fighting has largely stopped there. No one seems to know why the operation was halted.

There are unconfirmed claims that Ukraine is preparing a counterattack to free Bakhmut from its encirclement. That attack is supposed to go off as soon as the muddy ground has dried up a bit.

Meanwhile other encirclement has taken place in Avdiivka:

Avdiivka (Ukrainian: Авдіївка, IPA: [ɐu̯ˈd(j)ijiu̯kɐ]; is a city of regional significance in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. The city is located in the center of the oblast, just north of the city of Donetsk. The large Avdiivka Coke Plant is located in Avdiivka. The city had a pre-war population of 31,392 (2022 est.); in August 2022, its population was estimated at 2,500.

Avdiivka was within the claimed boundaries of the separatist Donetsk People's Republic, before Russia declared its annexation of the entire region in September 2022. During the war in Donbas, Avdiivka became a frontline city and saw a battle in 2017. During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, heavy fighting led to Avdiivka being largely destroyed and most of its population having fled.

March 8, 2023

Source: LiveUAmapbigger

Avdiivka is strongly fortified. Its coke plant is a strong-point. The Ukrainian army used the city to lob artillery into Donetsk city. But attempts to seize it were largely unsuccessful.

Two week ago the situation suddenly changed. The Russian airforce started to bomb Avdiivka with heavy glide bombs. At the same time an operations was launched to envelope the city from two directions.


March 21, 2023

Source: LiveUAmapbigger

An east to west move north of Avdiivka cut the rail access to the city. Russian forces crossed the railroad and moved further west. Fighting is currently ongoing in Berdychi. South of Berdychi is Orlovka, a road crossing point (O0542, C015801, C015802) that is for now the only real supply route left for Avdiivka.

In the southwest of Avdiivka  the Russian forces moved northward. They are currently trying to capture Siverne. The first progress there was stopped when on March 12 the Ukrainian 36th Marine Brigade was placed in the area.


Source: Military Landbigger

Armed reconnaissance has also taken place into the southwest area of Avdiivka city which is made up of high rises.

The distance between the Russian positions in the southwest and in the northwest of Avdiivka is 8 kilometer (5 miles). That is sufficiently narrow for Russian artillery to interdict road traffic that goes through the area in between.

The landscape around Avdiivka is mostly featureless. There are a few slag hills that rise about 50 meter above their surrounding flatland. But they can be easily covered by artillery and are thus not really helpful for either side.


Source: Ukraine Topographic Mapbigger

This is now the second Ukrainian held area on the Donetsk front that is in operational encirclement. In both areas the Russian follow Sun Tzu's advice to not completely close off an encirclement but to leave a route out. This prevents fanatical defenses by encircled troops or it may even lead the enemy to push more forces into a hopeless position.

If the Ukrainian military had plans to relieve Bakhmut with a counterattack it now has to think of the additional problem that the encirclement of Avdiivka brings. Should it start there? Should it split the forces it had accumulated and planned to use for the counterattack in Bakhmut and start a parallel one in Avdiivka? Should it give up on one or both cities? Those are difficult decisions.

I find it likely that the Russian attacks on Bakhmut were halted after the Avdiivka development succeeded to give the Ukraine military enough time to make an error.

Time is on Russia's side while the Ukrainian military needs to show action and success to keep its 'western' support going.

Comments

Posted by: Ed | Mar 22 2023 8:17 utc | 272

“all the nice things in the world…” where did you get that from? That is an elitist perspective. Only a rich ruling class who are parasites (slave masters, Feudal Lords, or rich capitalist) expect to have ALL the nice things in the world

So you don’t expect to have nice things and are OK with not having them?

there are plenty of people today who suggest that a good nuclear war could reset the collapsing capitalist economic system, but those people come from the right not the left.

You mean the collapsing socialist system.

And if there is a limit, how can we approach the issue in a humane but effective way?

As a free market capitalist, the limit is set by the free market when people go broke and bankrupt and hungry. But then the socialists always come in and start with the social justice slash equality slash universal basic income nonsense and in amusing pretentious arrogance revert to planned economy setting of specific number for the world population.
And yes, this is OT and I’m out.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 22 2023 11:47 utc | 301

Pardon my ignorance on the issue of a Ukrainian attack via crossing the Dnieper from Kherson, but do Russia not control the Nova Kakhova dam (or at least some of it)? I read they’d been reducing the water level for months by opening the spillways, to make any Ukrainian amphibious crossing difficult.
Alternatively, surely they could blow up the dam and that would also hamper any potential river crossing?

Posted by: chalk | Mar 22 2023 11:59 utc | 302

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-cover-up
his latest offering regarding Nordstream

Posted by: hankster | Mar 22 2023 12:11 utc | 303

DunGroanin @ 303
What are you doing ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 12:12 utc | 304

Should have read a few more pages before the above post in haste 😊
So to address the actual subject – DU – here is a handy abstract from the EU knowledge base – the sort of thing the EU is good at before it became a screeching warmonger led by the reborn current whore of Babylon
‘ Depleted uranium (DU) is a by-product of uranium enrichment. Depleted uranium is less radioactive then U (see below), but retains the chemical properties of natural U. Depleted uranium has a variety of applications because of its high density and its pyrophoric properties. It has been used as counterbalance weight in aircraft, missiles, forklifts and sailboat keels. It was also used in medical radiotherapy as a radiation shield and in dental porcelain crowns (until 1982).’
https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/opinions_layman/depleted-uranium/en/l-3/2.htm
I post this as I recalled the outcry when a jet hit a building in Amsterdam a few decades ago and there was a flurry of worry of the vaporised DU in the tail… if anyone remembers anything older than their breakfast these days.
Militarily – DU rounds penetrate other metals , but DU armour protects more !
Toxic – yes it bloody well is and remains so long after.
One of its major properties is its pyrophoric nature!!
– so it seems to be another great conundrum of modern life -does the DU shell burn the DU tank or is DU a zero sum game. 🤗
On a serious note , I wonder if there are legal means in the U.K. courts to challenge the DU clad Challengers with their DU shells, some Judicial Review or something. After all WE aren’t at war are we? Hmmm. Over to you legal eagles – maybe Alexander or some great Human Rights advocate can be begged for an Opinion. If Assange was free he would tell us.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 22 2023 12:15 utc | 305

Dungroanin 311
Thanks guy. Big respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 12:19 utc | 306

After seeing some pictures of birth defects in Iraq I do wish President Putin could launch a missile to destroy Britain’s houses of Parliament during a busy PMQ session. No harm to anyone else although most of the country has been thoroughly brainwashed by the MSM. Our leaders however are pure evil to even contemplate supplying such weapons knowing their effects, they should at the very least be locked in a secure hospital for the criminally insane.

Posted by: Dave 61 | Mar 22 2023 12:24 utc | 307

guys why ffs you can’t stick to the topic ????
at least be so smart and tag your comments as “off topic” what’s so difficult about ??
or create your own discussion forum.

Posted by: publicdisorder | Mar 22 2023 12:25 utc | 308

Posted by: Debsisdead | Mar 22 2023 11:07 utc | 300
Logically, not a single one of them should object to its introduction into their own GI tract, lungs etc.

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 22 2023 12:28 utc | 309

I completely understand where shadowbanned is coming from.
The population of Earth has been artificially inflated by fossil fuels. This 2006 book by Dale Allen Pfeiffer explains it. “Eating Fossil Fuels”.
Pfeiffer and other scientists estimated that every calorie of food you eat has 6-10 calories of fossil fuel input, (non-organic=nitrogen fertiliser), but even organic food is harvested, transported, refrigerated and cooked by fossil fuels.
As fossil fuels diminish, the population of the planet will starve. ***I’m not advocating this***, but already in the UK, people are having to choose between heating and eating: this is a symptom of things to come.
I now think we’ve passed a tipping point, and collapse is inevitable. I wish it were not so.
I disagree with shadowbanned as to the carrying capacity of the planet remaining. It’s about 2 billion people. That’s still a horrific loss, unless some kind of action is taken to reduce the population by humane means such as one child policies.

Posted by: JulianJ | Mar 22 2023 12:30 utc | 310

Shovel the depleted uranium soil into 10 ton trucks and tip it in parliament square,out side the UK houses of parliament.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 12:35 utc | 311

I sense people are having difficulty understanding how dependent every single mouthful you eat is on fossil fuels. This 2006 article explains it well. Things have got a lot worse since then.
Implications of Fossil Fuel Dependence for the Food System

Posted by: JulianJ | Mar 22 2023 12:42 utc | 312

RE: Glorious Ukrainian Counteroffensive
I choose to be optimistic this morning. With Russia breaking through in Bakhmut and now Adveevka, they will have more strategic options.
What about redirecting troops to from the Donbass/Luhansk towards the Zaporizhia and catching the HATO-led zombies from the rear?
That area is all flat steppe, IIRC. Very difficult to not be noticed, and the trees are not going to leaf out for at least another month.
Paratroopers dropped behind the enemy lines could be another option. Or move down from Belarus and take out Kiev. Lots of options.
I’ll stop being an armchair general.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 22 2023 12:43 utc | 313

Chris I’m all for optamisism’ but they would be sitting ducks themselves and only lightly armed.
I think we should balance, yes Xi Pings vist is a huge PR win with no doubt alot of practical developments only half of which we will be told of.
Balence that with as some wise person said we can expect some ‘western shitfuckery’ as a reprisal for Xi’s vist.
We see this every time. Russia needs to really really protect that Crimean bridge right now. Either that or it will be a false flag they can blame on Russia.
I’m holding my breath !
Desperate people do desperate things.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 13:07 utc | 314

Latest Seymour Hersh
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-cover-up

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 13:08 utc | 315

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 13:08 utc | 321
thanks. guess I’ll have to subscribe to Hersh’s substack to get the full story, but it provides a credible account of how the US and Germany are scrambling to deal with the fallout, as the msm continues to loyally ignore the facts.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 14:21 utc | 316

Shadowbanned:
Feel free to be the first to leave this life to help get the population level down. Save the planet!

Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 22 2023 14:47 utc | 317

@chris.
“A new economic system will be needed to work with limits to growth or more likely a steady-state equilibrium, but first, we will likely get close to that 500M number of earth’s population.”
That has always been pirate English race malthusian dream.
Why not start with culling of english race? All 5 evil eyes anglos to be sent to hell would be all that is required to right the world. Atleast eleminate English race the most evil entity and pest on the world.

Posted by: Sam | Mar 22 2023 14:50 utc | 318

@ JulianJ #312 and #314
It appears that your point of view contains an mbedded false assumption, ignoring the likelihoodoffurther progress.
Yes, we currently depend on so-called fossil fuels for our food supply — just one of a very long stream of technological and scientific improvements over the centuries and millenia.
Imagine the next step: Aquaponic skyscrapers, powered by nuclear fusion, with fossil fuels out of the loop, making big cities self-sufficient for food, and building skill sets in the population for eventual self-sustaining satellite colonies and bases on the Moon and Mars.

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 14:51 utc | 319

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 22 2023 11:41 utc | 300
Kharkov was successful. It forced Russia to cede territory. It wasn’t successful in either serious attrition or capture of Russian forces and in that respect was a reasonable if unpalatable trade for Russia. It was a well planned operation that played to NATO strengths and Russian weakness in the area at the time as well taking advantage of local terrain. It likely would have failed spectacularly if Russia had more forces, more seriously dug in. But they didn’t. Pretending that nothing goes wrong for Russia or that Russia has made no mistakes (or been constrained by context) is unhelpful.
Notice I didn’t add Kherson because there was no Kherson offensive that dislodged Russian forces and forced them to cede the territory that was ceded. The Kherson offensives Ukraine attempted were all bloody failures.

Posted by: Lex | Mar 22 2023 15:12 utc | 320

Dear b.
I do not want to sound bad, as after all I come here to learn, mostly from barflies like karloff1, outraged and few others, I like debsisdead…Thank you all dearly for enlightening me.It was a long learning curve for me.Since 2014th.
Never mind me now.
There are less and less available sites to follow on this war between civilizations of the northwest ( the snatchers and the stealers) and East and South of our planet.
1) The Saker has chickened out, good luck to him.Gone with a wind.Coward.
2) Martyanov is charming and always bleating the same message: west stupid Russia phenomenal, not good enough.
Martyanov posts generic posts and somewhat seducing us into believing this is just a little play, no it’s not.So, check him out too.
3) The amount of trolls you allow here overwhelms any meaningful discussion, sorry.
4) There was a rightly worrying theme of warmongering UK sending UD to Ukraine with their Challengers.
5) It got totally chocked out by some im… becilles discussing the depopulation.
6) Clean the thread out and let them know that they can go to another thread and scream there. This is Ukraine thread and Russia SMO.
I hope you do not get angry with me…I appreciate you

Posted by: stranger | Mar 22 2023 15:23 utc | 321

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 14:51 utc | 319
right now I’m trying to imagine the good fairy floating down to Baghdad on the Potomac sprinkling pixie dust over all the neocons and turning them into peace activists, since that is the current topic.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 15:24 utc | 322

re: Hersh´s new piece
no Substack subscription needed
here Hersh on Scheerpost:
https://scheerpost.com/2023/03/22/seymour-hersh-the-cover-up/

Posted by: AG | Mar 22 2023 15:36 utc | 323

re: Hersh
but its not really new for those who have followed events, like the community here.
He sums up a few things.

Posted by: AG | Mar 22 2023 15:41 utc | 324

thanks. guess I’ll have to subscribe to Hersh’s substack to get the full story, but it provides a credible account of how the US and Germany are scrambling to deal with the fallout, as the msm continues to loyally ignore the facts.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 14:21 utc | 316

Or you can go to archive.ph and paste in the URL to read a saved copy 😉
It doesn’t say anything new, except the fables out of Germany and the US are a cover up.

Posted by: Substack 4 Free | Mar 22 2023 15:52 utc | 325

Lavrov was asked about DU use:

Question: There is news that British Deputy Defence Minister Alexander Goldie has already announced that they will supply Ukraine with depleted uranium weapons.
Sergey Lavrov: I haven’t heard that. But I wouldn’t be surprised. They have already lost their bearings in terms of their actions and how they undermine strategic stability around the world. These people (primarily the Anglo-Saxons) drag the rest of the “collective West” with them. They have long imagined themselves to be hegemons. They want to preserve this hegemony with all their might.
If this is true, then they are ready to take not just risks, but violations of international and humanitarian law, as was the case in 1999 in Yugoslavia. And on many other things that they allowed themselves, including war crimes and against humanity.
They have crushed this organization, the International Criminal Court (which is headed by another Anglo-Saxon like Mr. G. Cleverly), and supplied it with information, which is then used to “undermine” all conceivable norms of international law. I wouldn’t be surprised by this development if it actually happens. But there’s no doubt it’s going to end badly for them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2023 15:55 utc | 326

Vikichka | Mar 22 2023 11:47 utc | 301
the reification of abstract forces that don’t actually exist, namely, “the market.” as if “the invisible hand” is like gravity.
no market exists independent of human behavior. bourgeois capitalist horsecrap.
“i’m not acting myself, i’m obeying ‘market forces’.”
those who worship idols become like them…dumb, blind, deaf and incapable of touch, incl smelling the bullshit

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 22 2023 16:00 utc | 327

@ John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 14:51 utc | 319
First, tech progress is a contributor to quality of life but not the determinant.
Second, your POV might be overlooking the likelihood of faster technological progress with slower population growth — as in China versus some other parts of the world. Billions of malnourished underproteined youth don’t grow up to file many patents per capita.

Posted by: natokraine | Mar 22 2023 16:01 utc | 328

They have crushed this organization, the International Criminal Court (which is headed by another Anglo-Saxon like Mr. G. Cleverly), and supplied it with information, which is then used to “undermine” all conceivable norms of international law. I wouldn’t be surprised by this development if it actually happens. But there’s no doubt it’s going to end badly for them.
Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2023 15:55 utc | 326

Where does Lavrov get the impression that James Cleverly is part of the ICC?

Posted by: Substack 4 Free | Mar 22 2023 16:09 utc | 329

Natokraine @328
How do you feel about zelinsky being responsible for the death of a whole generation of Ukrainian men.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 16:12 utc | 330

to all who responded re Substack, thank you. or, as they might say in Brooklyn, thanks youse guys.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 16:13 utc | 331

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 4:56 utc | 239

How do we “run out of a renewable resource”? Isn’t the very fact that it is renewable meaning it won’t run out? (Barring the Sun going nova in 4 billion years) (A rhetorical question of course)

By using them at a rate exceeding the replenishment rate.
Which is the case currently for topsoil, freshwater, especially aquifers, timber, hunting, harvesting of other wild products, etc.

Piffle. You have failed to factor in technological breakthroughs such as the development of perpetual motion machines and the imminent abolition of the first law of thermodynamics.
PS: My ignorance is better than your knowledge.

Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 16:17 utc | 332

@pretzelattack #322
Saying that the human race is stuck on stupid and self-destructing is different from saying that there is no hope because we are animals that have exceeded our carrying capacity.
@natokraine #328
The human race is already at zero percent population growth, and already shifting into reverse.

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 16:19 utc | 333

OT
I was in Ireland last week and I was sickened by the sycophancy of the Irish President sucking up to the US wrt Ukraine.
I don’t think he expressed the majority view of the Irish people.
Any case, the bootlicking was disgusting.
Surely, many “leaders” were threatened and strong armed into subservience.
Incidentally, US Customs is located at the Dublin Airport.
So “customs clearance” is accomplished for US citizens in Ireland proper.
It is said that this is indicative of Ireland’s close relationship with the USA.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Mar 22 2023 16:25 utc | 334

Here you guys have a good one reading the letter that Prigozhin sent to no other than secretary Blinken, a business proposal so the illustrious secretary stops wasting the US tax payers money with his failed policies. Enjoy.
PS. the first page is in Russian the second one the translation in English.
https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/2909

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:30 utc | 335

If someone’s going to decide to decrease the population, I’m glad I won’t be around to see it!
I enjoy trolls after a fashion, to an extent, if they actually write something useful? Well that seems rare. Mostly it’s an irritant that shouldn’t irritate me but that I allow it to, and so generally the issue is with me.
If they just spout nonsense or vitriol, probably not too good, it’s not easy to read 300 or more comments, given time restraints and such.

Posted by: Geoff | Mar 22 2023 16:31 utc | 336

Shadowbanned:
Feel free to be the first to leave this life to help get the population level down. Save the planet!
Posted by: Morongobill | Mar 22 2023 14:47 utc | 317

The infinite population growth crowd likes to temporarily make us immortal so then can suggest suicide will be necessary for a population decline.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 22 2023 16:33 utc | 337

the reification of abstract forces that don’t actually exist, namely, “the market.” as if “the invisible hand” is like gravity.
Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 22 2023 16:00 utc | 327
Yes. The free market. Where everyone is free to buy and sell. Supply and demand. You know. Free.
But then some people hate freedom. Freedom is slavery to them.

Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 22 2023 16:35 utc | 338

The human race is already at zero percent population growth, and already shifting into reverse.
Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 16:19 utc | 333

False. The honest claim is to say it will peak in 2065, or some other future year. But that year kept getting pushed out and now they don’t suggest one. It is all increase to 2100.
“The world population is projected to reach 8.5 billion in 2030, and to increase further to 9.7 billion in 2050 and 10.4 billion by 2100.”
https://www.un.org/en/global-issues/population#:~:text=The%20world%20population%20is%20projected,surrounding%20these%20latest%20population%20projections.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 22 2023 16:44 utc | 339

So do I. It can start with him. If he’s serious, he can start by putting a loaded gun barrel in his mouth and pull the trigger.
Meanwhile, latest Douglas Macgregor interview from yesterday (spotted in on a fake Youtube channel but found the original):
Douglas Macgregor: “Ukraine JUST LOST BAKHMUT” in Exclusive Interview
[link removed]

Maybe, just maybe, if I valued life so much, I wouldn’t give a the time of day to a reactionary old fool who helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics Iraq for the benefits of Wall Street, and who still thinks the criminal use of DU against the population of that country by the good old USA is just fine and dandy.

Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 16:52 utc | 340

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 16:19 utc | 333
but similar in being off topic

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 17:01 utc | 341

Back on topic, CIA boss Bill Burns gets a bad press, but his 2008 reports when he was Moscow Ambassador are pretty spot-on.
via Wikileaks
“NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains “an emotional and neuralgic issue” for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence, or, some claim, even civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene.”
He could see the future!

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 22 2023 20:19 utc | 342

@joey_n | March 22, 2023 at 09:02
First as Home Secretary from Feb 1910 – Oct 1911, and then as First Lord of the Admiralty from Oct 1911 – May 1915 Churchill bore a massive responsibility for converting the Entente Cordial into an alliance with France against Germany and Britain from a power friendly with Germany and aloof from the alliances of Europe into
a probable enemy should war come.
“Grey and Churchill believed that if France was attacked, Britain must fight. But Britain had no treaty alliance with France. Indeed, why had Britain remained outside the Franco-Russian alliance if not to retain her freedom of action? Gladstone had stayed out of the Franco-Prussian war, and the Liberals wanted Asquith to stay out of
this war. Of eighteen ministers who had participated in the Cabinet meeting on Saturday, August 1, twelve opposed war. A Liberal caucus in the House had voted 4–1 for neutrality. The Manchester Guardian spoke of “an organised conspiracy to drag us into war.”
The editor of the Times, however, could not disguise his disgust:
Saturday was a black day for everyone who knew what was going on—more than half the Cabinet rotten and every prospect of a complete schism or a disastrous or dishonouring refusal to help France. . . .
Winston has really done more than anyone else to save the situation.
Seven Cabinet members were ready to resign rather than go to war. “The Cabinet was absolutely against war and would never have
agreed to being committed to war at this moment,” wrote Churchill. Those favoring Britain’s going to war, should it come,
were Grey and Churchill, who had made commitments to France. But only the First Lord relished the prospect. On July 25, when it appeared that Grey’s call for a conference of ambassadors to halt the
slide to war might succeed, Churchill “exclaimed moodily that it looked after all as if we were in for a ‘bloody peace.’ ”
“Churchill was the only Minister to feel any sense of exultation at the course of events,” writes biographer John Charmley. On July 28, he had written his wife Clementine: “My darling one & beautiful:
Everything tends toward catastrophe & collapse. I am interested, geared up and happy. Is it not horrible to be built like that?”

That same day, the Kaiser was desperately trying to avert the war to which Churchill looked forward with anticipation. . .
By 1911, he [Hermit: Churchill] was First Lord and the most forceful advocate in the Cabinet for Britain’s immediate
entry into any Franco-German war.

With the cabinet dithering, “The First Lord took the lead. “Winston very bellicose and demanding immediate mobilization,” wrote Asquith, “occupied at least half the time.” . . . “The Cabinet sat almost continuously throughout Sunday [August 2],” wrote Asquith’s daughter Violet. “When they broke up for an interval at luncheon time all those I saw looked racked with anxiety and some stricken with grief. Winston alone was buoyant.” . . . “The key figure was Lloyd George, and Churchill played a major role in winning his support for a declaration of war,” writes Charmley. As Lloyd George vacillated, Churchill pressed him to take his stand on the issue of Belgium’s neutrality. Churchill knew public opinion would swing around to war when the Germans invaded Belgium, as they must. He believed that Lloyd George would swing with it. Churchill knew his man. . . . If the nation was going to fight, he [Hermit: Lloyd George] would stand with the nation. For Lloyd George knew that if he did not, his position as heir apparent to leadership of the Liberal Party, a position he had spent
twenty-five years building, would be lost, probably to his young rival,the First Lord. Lloyd George might then end his brilliant career as a backbencher in a Liberal Party led by Winston Churchill. . . .
After Churchill wrote a note to Lloyd George in Cabinet to “bring your mighty aid to the discharge of our duty,” the Chancellor at the August 1 Cabinet meeting, shoved a note back across the table to the First Lord: “If you do not press us too hard tonight, we might come together.” . . . “[I]f Germany had not violated Belgian neutrality in 1914,
Britain would have,” writes Niall Ferguson. “This puts the British
government’s much-vaunted moral superiority in fighting ‘for
Belgian neutrality’ in another light.” The German invasion of
Belgium enabled the British war party to put a high moral gloss
on a war they had already decided to fight for reasons of realpolitik.
As early as 1911, during the second Moroccan crisis, Churchill
had confided to Lloyd George his real reason for committing himself morally and secretly to bringing Britain into any Franco- It is not for Morocco, nor indeed for Belgium, that I would take part in this terrible business. One cause alone should
justify our participation—to prevent France from being trampled down & looted by the Prussian junkers—a disaster ruinous to the world, & swiftly fatal to our country. . .
At 11 P.M., August 4, as the ultimatum expired and the moment came when Britain was at war, a tearful Margot Asquith left her husband to go to bed, and as she began to ascend the stairs, “I saw Winston Churchill with a happy face striding towards the double doors of the Cabinet room.”
Lloyd George was sitting within with his disconsolate prime minister when, as he later told a friend:
Winston dashed into the room, radiant, his face bright, his.manner keen, one word pouring out after another how he was going to send telegrams to the Mediterranean, the
North Sea, and God knows where. You could see he was a really happy man.
Churchill was exhilarated. Six months later, after the first Battle of Ypres, with tens of thousands of British soldiers in their graves, he would say to Violet Asquith, “I think a curse should rest on m — because I am so happy. I know this war is smashing and shattering the lives of thousands every moment and yet — I cannot help it — I enjoy every second.”
Said Sir Maurice Hankey, “Churchill was a man of a totally different type from all his colleagues. He had a real zest for war. If war there must needs be, he at least could enjoy it.”
A year earlier, in his book Pillars of Society, A. G. Gardiner had written prophetically of the young First Lord:
He sees himself moving through the smoke of battle — triumphant, terrible, his brow clothed with thunder, his legions looking to him for victory, and not looking in vain. He thinks of Napoleon; he thinks of his great ancestor. Thus did they bear themselves; thus, in this rugged and most awful crisis, will he bear himself. It is not make-believe, it is not insincerity; it is that in that fervid and picturesque imagination there are always great deeds afoot with himself cast by destiny in the Agamemnon role. . . . He will write his name big in the future. Let us take care he does not write it in blood.
All quotations above from Buchanan Patrick J. (2008-05). Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World. Crown. A book which relies on recently declassified archival material to cut through the propaganda and reinterpret what we know about WW II.

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 22 2023 22:54 utc | 343

@Lex | Mar 22 2023 15:12 utc | 320
Only in a universe embracing post hoc retrocausality could the raggle-taggle slithering of isolated, understaffed small-arm bearing Ukrainian units on foot, in commandeered cars, and riding ad hoc> technicals into Kharkov after the Russians had long withdrawn, be regarded as having “forced” anything.

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 22 2023 23:03 utc | 344

Interesting article on DU from years ago. Note the author, sonar21.
Iraqi Cancers, Birth Eefects Blamed on U.S. Depleted Uranium
BY LARRY JOHNSON
Seattle Post-Intelligencer Foreign Desk Editor
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Southern Demilitarized Zone, Iraq — On the “Highway of Death,” 11 miles north of the Kuwait border, a collection of tanks, armored personnel carriers and other military vehicles are rusting in the desert.
They also are radiating nuclear energy.
In 1991, the United States and its Persian Gulf War allies blasted the vehicles with armor-piercing shells made of depleted uranium — the first time such weapons had been used in warfare — as the Iraqis retreated from Kuwait. The devastating results gave the highway its name.
Today, nearly 12 years after the use of the super-tough weapons was credited with bringing the war to a swift conclusion, the battlefield remains a radioactive toxic wasteland — and depleted uranium munitions remain a mystery.
Although the Pentagon has sent mixed signals about the effects of depleted uranium, Iraqi doctors believe that it is responsible for a significant increase in cancer and birth defects in the region. Many researchers outside Iraq, and several U.S. veterans organizations, agree; they also suspect depleted uranium of playing a role in Gulf War Syndrome, the still-unexplained malady that has plagued hundreds of thousands of Gulf War veterans.
Depleted uranium is a problem in other former war zones as well. Yesterday, U.N. experts said they found radioactive hot spots in Bosnia resulting from the use of depleted uranium during NATO air strikes in 1995.
With another war in Iraq perhaps imminent, scientists and others are concerned that the side effects of depleted uranium munitions — still a major part of the U.S. arsenal — will cause serious illnesses or deaths in a new generation of U.S. soldiers as well as Iraqis.
The dangers
Depleted uranium, known as DU, is a highly dense metal that is the byproduct of the process during which fissionable uranium used to manufacture nuclear bombs and reactor fuel is separated from natural uranium. DU remains radioactive for about 4.5 billion years.
Uranium, a weakly radioactive element, occurs naturally in soil and water everywhere on Earth, but mainly in trace quantities. Humans ingest it daily in minute quantities.
DU shell holes in the vehicles along the Highway of Death are 1,000 times more radioactive than background radiation, according to Geiger counter readings done for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer by Dr. Khajak Vartaanian, a nuclear medicine expert from the Iraq Department of Radiation Protection in Basra, and Col. Amal Kassim of the Iraqi navy.
The desert around the vehicles was 100 times more radioactive than background radiation; Basra, a city of 1 million people, some 125 miles away, registered only slightly above background radiation level.
But the radioactivity is only one concern about DU munitions.
A second, potentially more serious hazard is created when a DU round hits its target. As much as 70 percent of the projectile can burn up on impact, creating a firestorm of ceramic DU oxide particles. The residue of this firestorm is an extremely fine ceramic uranium dust that can be spread by the wind, inhaled and absorbed into the human body and absorbed by plants and animals, becoming part of the food chain.
Once lodged in the soil, the munitions can pollute the environment and create up to a hundredfold increase in uranium levels in ground water, according to the U.N. Environmental Program.
Studies show it can remain in human organs for years.
The U.S. Army acknowledges the hazards in a training manual, in which it requires that anyone who comes within 25 meters of any DU-contaminated equipment or terrain wear respiratory and skin protection, and states that “contamination will make food and water unsafe for consumption.”
Just six months before the Gulf War, the Army released a report on DU predicting that large amounts of DU dust could be inhaled by soldiers and civilians during and after combat.
Infantry were identified as potentially receiving the highest exposures, and the expected health outcomes included cancers and kidney problems.
The report also warned that public knowledge of the health and environmental effects of depleted uranium could lead to efforts to ban DU munitions.
But today the Pentagon plays down the effects. Officials refer queries on DU munitions to the latest government report on the subject, last updated on Dec. 13, 2000, which said DU is “40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium.”
The report also said, “Gulf War exposures to depleted uranium (DU) have not to date produced any observable adverse health effects attributable to DU’s chemical toxicity or low-level radiation. . . .”
In response to written queries, the Defense Department said, “The U.S. Military Services use DU munitions because of DU’s superior lethality against armor and other hard targets.”
It said DU munitions are “war reserve munitions; that is, used for combat and not fired for training purposes,” with the exception that DU munitions may be fired at sea for weapon calibration purposes.
In addition to Iraq and Bosnia, DU munitions were used in Kosovo and Serbia in 1999.
Also in 1999, a United Nations subcommission considered DU hazardous enough to call for an initiative banning its use worldwide. The initiative has remained in committee, blocked primarily by the United States, according to Karen Parker, a lawyer with the International Educational Development/Humanitarian Law Project, which has consultative status at the United Nations.
Parker, who first raised the DU issue in the United Nations in 1996, contends that DU “violates the existing law and customs of war.”
She said there are four rules derived from all of humanitarian law regarding weapons:
Weapons may only be used in the legal field of battle, defined as legal military targets of the enemy in war.
Weapons may not have an adverse effect off the legal field of battle.
Weapons can only be used for the duration of an armed conflict. A weapon that is used or continues to act after the war is over violates this criterion.
Weapons may not be unduly inhumane.
Weapons may not have an unduly negative effect on the natural environment.
“Depleted uranium fails all four of these rules,” Parker said last week.
On Oct. 17, 2001, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., introduced a bill calling for “the suspension of the use, sale, development, production, testing, and export of depleted uranium munitions pending the outcome of certain studies of the health effects of such munitions. . . .”
More than a year later, the bill — co-sponsored by Reps. Anibal Acevedo-Vila, Puerto Rico; Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis.; Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio; Barbara Lee, D-Ca.; and Jim McDermott, D-Wash. — remains in committee awaiting comment from the Defense Department.
The studies
Gulf War veterans faced a wide array of potentially toxic materials during the war: smoke from oil and chemical fires, insecticides, pesticides, vaccinations and DU.
Of the 696,778 troops who served during the recognized conflict phase (1990-1991) of the Gulf War, at least 20,6861 have applied for VA medical benefits. As of May 2002, 159,238 veterans have been awarded service-connected disability by the Department of Veterans Affairs for health effects collectively known as the Gulf War Syndrome.
There have been many studies on Gulf War Syndrome over the years, as well as on possible long-term health hazards of DU munitions. Most have been inconclusive. But some researchers said the previous studies on DU, conducted by groups and agencies ranging from the World Health Organization to the Rand Corp. to the investigative arm of Congress, weren’t looking in the right place — at the effects of inhaled DU.
Dr. Asaf Durakovic, director of the private, non-profit Uranium Medical Research Centre in Canada and the United States, and center research associates Patricia Horan and Leonard Dietz, published a unique study in the August issue of Military Medicine medical journal.
The study is believed to be the first to look at inhaled DU among Gulf War veterans, using the ultrasensitive technique of thermal ionization mass spectrometry, which enabled them to easily distinguish between natural uranium and DU.
The study, which examined British, Canadian and U.S. veterans, all suffering typical Gulf War Syndrome ailments, found that, nine years after the war, 14 of 27 veterans studied had DU in their urine. DU also was found in the lung and bone of a deceased Gulf War veteran.
That no governmental study has been done on inhaled DU “amounts to a massive malpractice,” Dietz said in an interview last week.
The activist
Dr. Doug Rokke was an Army health physicist assigned in 1991 to the command staff of the 12th Preventive Medicine Command and 3rd U.S. Army Medical Command headquarters. Rokke was recalled to active duty 20 years after serving in Vietnam, from his research job with the University of Illinois Physics Department, and sent to the Gulf to take charge of the DU cleanup operation.
Today, in poor health, he has become an outspoken opponent of the use of DU munitions.
“DU is the stuff of nightmares,” said Rokke, who said he has reactive airway disease, neurological damage, cataracts and kidney problems, and receives a 40 percent disability payment from the government. He blames his health problems on exposure to DU.
Rokke and his primary team of about 100 performed their cleanup task without any specialized training or protective gear. Today, Rokke said, at least 30 members of the team are dead, and most of the others — including Rokke — have serious health problems.
Rokke said: “Verified adverse health effects from personal experience, physicians and from personal reports from individuals with known DU exposures include reactive airway disease, neurological abnormalities, kidney stones and chronic kidney pain, rashes, vision degradation and night vision losses, lymphoma, various forms of skin and organ cancer, neuropsychological disorders, uranium in semen, sexual dysfunction and birth defects in offspring.
“This whole thing is a crime against God and humanity.”
Speaking from his home in Rantoul, Ill., where he works as a substitute high school science teacher, Rokke said, “When we went to the Gulf, we were all really healthy, and we got trashed.”
Rokke, an Army Reserve major who describes himself as “a patriot to the right of Rush Limbaugh,” said hearing the latest Pentagon statements on DU is especially frustrating now that another war against Iraq appears likely.
“Since 1991, numerous U.S. Department of Defense reports have said that the consequences of DU were unknown,” Rokke said. “That is a lie. We warned them in 1991 after the Gulf War, but because of liability issues, they continue to ignore the problem.” Rokke worked until 1996 for the military, developing DU training and management procedures. The procedures were ignored, he said.
“Their arrogance is beyond comprehension,” he said. “We have spread radioactive waste all over the place and refused medical treatment to people . . . it’s all arrogance.
“DU is a snapshot of technology gone crazy.”
Birth defects in Iraq
At the Saddam Teaching Hospital in Basra, Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, a British-trained oncologist, displays, in four gaily colored photo albums, what he says are actual snapshots of the nightmares.
The photos represent the surge in birth defects — in 1989 there were 11 per 100,000 births; in 2001 there were 116 per 100,000 births — that even before they heard about DU, had doctors in southern Iraq making comparisons to the birth defects that followed the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII.
There were photos of infants born without brains, with their internal organs outside their bodies, without sexual organs, without spines, and the list of deformities went on and on. There also were photos of cancer patients.
Cancer has increased dramatically in southern Iraq. In 1988, 34 people died of cancer; in 1998, 450 died of cancer; in 2001 there were 603 cancer deaths.
On a tour of one ward of the hospital, doctors pointed out boys and girls who were suffering from leukemia. Most of the children die, the doctors said, because there are insufficient drugs available for their treatment.
There was one notable exception, a young boy whose family was able to buy the expensive drugs on the black market.
Al-Ali said it defies logic to absolve DU of blame when veterans of the Gulf War and of the fighting in the Balkans share common illnesses with children in southern Iraq.
“The cause of all of these cancers and deformities remains theoretical because we can’t confirm the presence of uranium in tissue or urine with the equipment we have,” said Al-Ali. “And because of the sanctions, we can’t get the equipment we need.”

Posted by: First Time Poster | Mar 22 2023 23:51 utc | 345

@John Schmeeckle | Mar 22 2023 16:19 utc | 333
“The human race is already at zero percent population growth, and already shifting into reverse.”
When you figure out who fed you these lies, you will know who wants you ignorant, confused and detached from reality. That way you won’t revolt until it is much too late.

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 23 2023 0:12 utc | 346

JulianJ | Mar 22 2023 12:30 utc | 310
Extensive modelling shows that even if we had the planet of 1500, combined with the technology of today, 2 billion would not be possible without abandoning animal husbandry and embracing the total capture and reuse of phosphates and nitrogen from human waste. We are so far from that today that the opium dreams of the Pleasure Domes of Kublai Khan are realistic in comparison.
500 Million is much more realistic, and in the miraculous case we survive long enough to aim for that, we can adjust the reproduction rate to whatever the sustainable numbers turn out to be as the Earth recovers. It should be noted that at 73880 ± 320 YBP the Younger Toba eruption resulted in a decadal volcanic Winter that reduced Hominidae numbers to between 3,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs, so a substantial reduction in human numbers, at least if deliberately managed by controlling reproduction, rather than caused by a catastrophe with inevitable overshoot, need not be particularly significant.

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 23 2023 0:47 utc | 347

@Chaka Khagan | Mar 22 2023 16:25 utc | 334
It is “normal” for the US to browbeat and threaten not only countries, economies and organizations, but also their leaders and their families. These days they seldom bribe directly, except to establish confidential sources,, as they find it much more cost effective to threaten to fund opponents or assassins in case of non-compliance. They may have learned this from Israel, which deployed the same methods on the US Congress in the 1990s, resulting in Buchanan famously describing Congress as Israeli occupied territory.

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 23 2023 1:00 utc | 348

@Substack 4 Free | Mar 22 2023 16:09 utc | 329
See the word, “like”? It is not being used zAs an adverb, as people do, “like” a filler, but as a preposition to denote a simile, “a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e.g., as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox, as crooked as a conservative).”

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 23 2023 1:33 utc | 349

@Ed | Mar 22 2023 5:36 utc | 244
You may find my Evaluism“>http://bit.ly/Evaluism”>Evaluism interesting.
Further to your observations:
Above and beyond global heating, which threatens human extinction in the very near term, at current rates of heating, human activity, particularly waste heat, will likely cause the oceans to boil. within about 400 years. Refer e. G. Hossenfelder, Sabine (2023-02-25). I recently learned that waste heat will boil the oceans in about 400 years). .”>https://youtu.be/9vRtA7STvH4..
In the unlikely event that we avoid these dates, well before Sol expands to swallow the inner planets, Earth’s core will solidify, eliminating the electromagnetic shield that enabled retention of the atmosphere, meaning that the atmosphere will be stripped away by the solar wind and the oceans will boil away leaving earth cold, lifeless and looking a lot like Mars.

Posted by: Hermit | Mar 23 2023 2:58 utc | 350

Depleted Uranium is ‘100% safe and effective’ according to a government spokesperson

Posted by: Rattus | Mar 23 2023 15:56 utc | 351

@ Posted by: First Time Poster | Mar 22 2023 23:51 utc | 345
DU
Thank you for that authoritative overview. Especially on the second Hiroshima moment by the US.
It is particularly saddening that Douglas MacGregor , who claims that he was personally using DU as a tanker in the Iraq invasion , is not only effective but without any lingering poisonous aspect.
He loses a lot of my respect and looks more like a Colonel Blimp.
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Over population myth.
Ps – I am also a little dismayed by the Malthusian psychosis on display here.
It separates eugenicists from humanity. Actual work on the issue by great social scientists such as the late professor Hans Rosling.
If anyone wants more can post a substantive post on the subject.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 24 2023 12:10 utc | 352

@Elmer Fudd regarding “actual information”. I see one of the links you posted is from a US govt website. Of course you are aware that such a subject (toxicity of DU) is sensitive and governments will try to misinform as much as possible. A link or two is not sufficient of course to understand this topic and I hope we are all aware of the actual information that governments lie, constantly lie, if it’s the USA then I personally assume anything they release is a lie until proven otherwise.

Posted by: ThufferingThukotash | Mar 25 2023 6:44 utc | 353

Over the last three days fighting has largely stopped there.

According to Rybar, fierce fighting was taking place in all parts of Bakhmut those days. How do we know who is right?

Posted by: Ilmarinen | Mar 26 2023 19:05 utc | 354