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March 21, 2023
Ukraine SitRep – Avdiivka

Bakhmut is encircled. All roads in and out of it are under Russian artillery fire. Over the last three days fighting has largely stopped there. No one seems to know why the operation was halted.

There are unconfirmed claims that Ukraine is preparing a counterattack to free Bakhmut from its encirclement. That attack is supposed to go off as soon as the muddy ground has dried up a bit.

Meanwhile other encirclement has taken place in Avdiivka:

Avdiivka (Ukrainian: Авдіївка, IPA: [ɐu̯ˈd(j)ijiu̯kɐ]; is a city of regional significance in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. The city is located in the center of the oblast, just north of the city of Donetsk. The large Avdiivka Coke Plant is located in Avdiivka. The city had a pre-war population of 31,392 (2022 est.); in August 2022, its population was estimated at 2,500.

Avdiivka was within the claimed boundaries of the separatist Donetsk People's Republic, before Russia declared its annexation of the entire region in September 2022. During the war in Donbas, Avdiivka became a frontline city and saw a battle in 2017. During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, heavy fighting led to Avdiivka being largely destroyed and most of its population having fled.

March 8, 2023

Source: LiveUAmapbigger

Avdiivka is strongly fortified. Its coke plant is a strong-point. The Ukrainian army used the city to lob artillery into Donetsk city. But attempts to seize it were largely unsuccessful.

Two week ago the situation suddenly changed. The Russian airforce started to bomb Avdiivka with heavy glide bombs. At the same time an operations was launched to envelope the city from two directions.


March 21, 2023

Source: LiveUAmapbigger

An east to west move north of Avdiivka cut the rail access to the city. Russian forces crossed the railroad and moved further west. Fighting is currently ongoing in Berdychi. South of Berdychi is Orlovka, a road crossing point (O0542, C015801, C015802) that is for now the only real supply route left for Avdiivka.

In the southwest of Avdiivka  the Russian forces moved northward. They are currently trying to capture Siverne. The first progress there was stopped when on March 12 the Ukrainian 36th Marine Brigade was placed in the area.


Source: Military Landbigger

Armed reconnaissance has also taken place into the southwest area of Avdiivka city which is made up of high rises.

The distance between the Russian positions in the southwest and in the northwest of Avdiivka is 8 kilometer (5 miles). That is sufficiently narrow for Russian artillery to interdict road traffic that goes through the area in between.

The landscape around Avdiivka is mostly featureless. There are a few slag hills that rise about 50 meter above their surrounding flatland. But they can be easily covered by artillery and are thus not really helpful for either side.


Source: Ukraine Topographic Mapbigger

This is now the second Ukrainian held area on the Donetsk front that is in operational encirclement. In both areas the Russian follow Sun Tzu's advice to not completely close off an encirclement but to leave a route out. This prevents fanatical defenses by encircled troops or it may even lead the enemy to push more forces into a hopeless position.

If the Ukrainian military had plans to relieve Bakhmut with a counterattack it now has to think of the additional problem that the encirclement of Avdiivka brings. Should it start there? Should it split the forces it had accumulated and planned to use for the counterattack in Bakhmut and start a parallel one in Avdiivka? Should it give up on one or both cities? Those are difficult decisions.

I find it likely that the Russian attacks on Bakhmut were halted after the Avdiivka development succeeded to give the Ukraine military enough time to make an error.

Time is on Russia's side while the Ukrainian military needs to show action and success to keep its 'western' support going.

Comments

Depleted uranium is used because US & UK sincerely loathe and despise lesser breeds without the law. Also because these are stupid people and ignorant people who don’t think ahead and don’t care about downstream problems. They don’t care about much.
Also because it is a waste product and readily available.

Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 21 2023 20:50 utc | 101

depleted uranium shells offered by “British” .. Putin`s response ” treated like dirty nuclear bombs ”
may be, that the “British” throw in that hat to press Russia on a full blown war against nato? Would make sense.
One must remember that the REAL war ist against the Dollar. Kill the Dollar means kill the monopolar US-dominated world, what is the strategic superordinated goal for CH, Ru and many more countries. The biggest mistake of the westerners was to seize russian US$ reserves.
Now the governments of every country of the world including the marsians and the man on the moon can imagine: ” May be we are the next?”
That clearly lead to the current “out-of-the-dollar” movement of several states.
While Russia keeps “the West” busy talking bullshit and doing stupid things – well aware that the western “leaders” are brainwashed Stupids or Puppets – China finished up the end-of-dollar trap.
Look at the the turmoils in the western financial system .. there`s the real war. First FTX, then SVB, then Credit swiss .. who`s next?
They are doomed and they are aware of it.
So what is the only exit-out? WAR. Real EU-wide war. Anglo-saxons always did it in that way.
But IMHO, now they are facing defeat.

Posted by: ableman | Mar 21 2023 20:51 utc | 102

Yes, I remember reading about the Ribbentrop-Welles pact. Revisionist fucktard.
Posted by: tks | Mar 21 2023 20:45 utc | 99

The Soviets played the game too — their goal was to turn Hitler in the other direction. Failing that, to buy time. Total fail on the first objective, largely a fail on the second too.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:53 utc | 103

@ oldhippie | Mar 21 2023 20:50 utc | 102
Also ’cause the land affected is only occupied by, ‘others’. 🙁
@ mo3 | Mar 21 2023 20:32 utc | 92
Minor quibble, unless UK MOD has made more recent statements they’ve only committed to 14(One Company) refurbished derelict/salvage Challenger IIs that were amongst ~79 due to be scrapped. Also, has UK gov rescinded their previous direction that they are to be deployed to defend Kiev & similar as they are NOT to be deployed to the FEBA due risk of capture intact & subsequent public humiliation of the might of decaying Britannia ? Anyone ?
Cheers
@ Neofeudalfuture | Mar 21 2023 20:40 utc | 97
Sure Bob. You’re doin’ a great job of stayin’ in character. Cheers.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 21 2023 20:54 utc | 104

shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:11 utc | 84
My very limited understanding of these legal matters, is that a First Impressions filing doesn’t necessarily result in a verdict against an individual, rather it is a funding by the court that the action being filed is indeed an international criminal crime. Thus, it establishes a legal determination for an action that has not previously been litigated is indeed a crime. If it is a crime the finding provides the basis for future litigation. Since it is a new finding past actions can be used to strengthen the First Impressions case. Don’t know if past cases could be tried (eg, lack of criminal intent).
As stated I don’t think Russia has to file the case or participate. It could be past victims, persons in immediate danger if DU was to be used, or even a Club of Soldiers’ Mothers.
The purpose is to have the Court provide a legal interpretation of the criminality of an action, not a criminal verdict against an individuals.
I don’t think, there would be a dramatic response by the UK or USA to this. Actually I think the ICC may look favorably on using this process to reduce war crimes by developing a clear legal position on specific actions. However, the only law in any legal system is the law of exception, which essentially makes all legal determinations relative.
Please understand this is “Quarter to 3AM” bar talk, and nothing more.

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 21 2023 20:55 utc | 105

500 million lol. Right off the georgia guidestones. Gross. I know Depopulation is the agenda, but cmon it’s only to let the elites live in a garden paradise forever (maybe literally if anti aging is perfected)
The earth properly harnessed has solar inflows that can support tens of billions of people, nevermind other energy sources. Low static population sounds like extinction to me.
Humanity forever and everywhere that is the goal.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 21 2023 20:49 utc | 101

No, it does not have resources for tens of billions.
Anyone who seriously believes that needs to be immediately lined up against a wall and shot, because he threatens the survival of the species with his stupidity.
It’s too long to explain though, and I doubt it will help anyway. This is what happens when the function of schools is to serve as daycare and as brainwashing mills, and not to teach even the most basic fundamental facts about the world we live in (such as laws of conservation and thermodynamics, the geological history of the planet, etc.).
Just keep in mind that I am the educated knowledgeable scientist in this conversation, and you are the ignorant fool.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:57 utc | 106

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 20:46 utc | 100
So the body snatcher is back. Pity, I was looking forward to an elaboration on the Chinese’ “dark history with Caucasians” bit; I bet it involved a Chinese master plan to take over and repopulate the USSA.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 21 2023 21:00 utc | 107

Isn’t it obvious to ALL. There is no such thing as democracy in the west. The “puppets” placed in power will continue to serve the real power (International Finance). Protests in France, Italy, Czech Republic, Germany etc.. and the Jan 6 insurrections in the USA…..doesn’t change the objective of the Neo-Colonialists. “Democracy is the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance” (H.L. Mencken)

Posted by: Ron | Mar 21 2023 21:00 utc | 108

My very limited understanding of these legal matters, is that a First Impressions filing doesn’t necessarily result in a verdict against an individual, rather it is a funding by the court that the action being filed is indeed an international criminal crime. Thus, it establishes a legal determination for an action that has not previously been litigated is indeed a crime. If it is a crime the finding provides the basis for future litigation. Since it is a new finding past actions can be used to strengthen the First Impressions case. Don’t know if past cases could be tried (eg, lack of criminal intent).
Posted by: Jerr | Mar 21 2023 20:55 utc | 106

You still missed the point — the mere fact of filing anything with the ICC would mean acknowledging its authority.
But the ICC just issued an arrest warrant for Putin.
Which the Russians laughed at (although it is actually no laughing matter, this is quite serious in fact) because they don’t recognize the ICC and the ICC does not have any physical means of getting their hands on Putin.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 21:01 utc | 109

The Xi-Putin meeting is of an importance that can’t be over-estimated. It may also be our best hope that a nuclear war won’t be necessary. If any of the NATO officials have any sense left, whatever they say officially, they must know they lost. Well, some foreign SS units fought to the death in Berlin, 1945, but dead they are and their imitators won’t fare any better.One can but hope not too many innocent souls will suffer in the meantime. Depleted uranium, my god, all ethics lost in the UK (not the country of Paddington bear and Winnie-the-Pooh is it? What happened there?).

Posted by: Anthony | Mar 21 2023 21:07 utc | 110

The current president of Russia speaks German, the next president of Russia willspeak Chinese.

Posted by: Passerby | Mar 21 2023 21:11 utc | 111

@107
Scientist you say? Pfft…. My ignorance is better than your knowledge:

Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge’. Isaac Asimov

Posted by: Lengai | Mar 21 2023 21:13 utc | 112

shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:42 utc | 98

1) Drastic overpopulation — we are at more than 8B, it needs to be reduced to <500M by early 21st century, and that needs to happen through draconian control on fertility, so that it happens without mass murder, genocide, war, famine, and disease, and we can preserve civilization in working order.

You’re not telling me you’re performing a reduction from 8 billion down to 500 million in a few decades, without war, genocide etc. I know and agree with you that such a reduction would be desirable for keeping the planet inhabitable … . But any draconian fertility control will require some form of absolute dictatorship. And who do you want to put in control?

Posted by: grunzt | Mar 21 2023 21:15 utc | 113

@Fake Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 21:13 utc | 113
This impostor is obsessed with discrediting me. Maybe it is a compliment. Show him out, please.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 21:18 utc | 114

even that is a hopeless task now…
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:42 utc | 98
Nice mug of cocoa and then a lie down for you my lad.

Posted by: GT Stroller | Mar 21 2023 21:20 utc | 115

Impostor @ Imposter | Mar 21 2023 21:13 utc | 113
Stand-To!
@ b
Since Shadowbanned be spamming your thread again with falsehoods, structured misinfo, calculated nuclear war, recommended mass genocide & insane &*^%$#@ … 🙁
I’m, Out.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 21 2023 21:22 utc | 116

Norwegian @ 116
Don’t worry Norge, no imposter will ever come between us. Tell me more about that dream.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 21 2023 21:22 utc | 117

PS Impostor @ Imposter | Mar 21 2023 21:22 utc | 119 too.
Another hijacked/derailed thread. Out.

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 21 2023 21:24 utc | 118

NATO’s army right here, being marshaled up as we speak LOL:
Live: French protest in Paris following no-confidence votes against Macron’s government
Of course they could marshal up all the fucking cops in France and send them off to Ukraine. I think I’m for that 🙃

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 21 2023 21:24 utc | 119

^ remember, this is what Russia was supposed to like like soon after the sanctions!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 21 2023 21:27 utc | 120

I don’t think the Challengers are going to fire enough DU-FIN to cause any large scale environmental harm. Supplying it is really a recognition that the main gun is now outdated and outclassed by its competitors. The main point about the ammo is its two piece design, so twice the chance for the loader to suffer a traumatic amputation each firing cycle.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 21 2023 21:28 utc | 121

Milites | Mar 21 2023 17:47 utc | 28
From t90 and newer du should not be a problem. Some older models have upgrades too. With or without du, this will be a very long war. There will be dirty bombs, chemicals, cluster munition, regular tertorism. There is no method to stop nato now. The moment was in 2014 and maybe until 2020. China lost the moment with Taiwan in 2022, March was a perfect time to remove the puppet government, no war needed. But no, they slept in their London apartments and now they’re stuck in a 10-20 year war inside their country. You get what you pay for

Posted by: rk | Mar 21 2023 21:30 utc | 122

In both areas the Russian follow Sun Tzu’s advice to not completely close off an encirclement but to leave a route out. This prevents fanatical defenses by encircled troops or it may even lead the enemy to push more forces into a hopeless position.

Sorry, I don’t buy it. I’ll take Occam’s Razor and some basic logic over that tiresome Sun Tzu reference. The simple explanation is the Russians don’t complete encirclements because they can’t. The Russian forces committed are too few. The Russian “pincers” aren’t strong enough and big enough. They don’t advance fast enough to prevent Ukrainian reinforcements from intervening and preventing the pincers from closing. They’re not big enough to not themselves become vulnerable to counterattack if they did close.
If the objective is territory leaving a retreat path open makes sense … encourage the defender to cede the territory. However, supposedly the objective is not territory but winning a war of attrition. Far better in that case to force a surrender of encircled enemies and “take them off the board” rather than let them escape and have to fight them all over again after they burrow into the next line of defence.
As far as fanaticism goes, fanaticism is not a substitute for ammunition. Even jihadis in Syria gave up when they ran out of ammo. If you want to cause attrition, complete encirclements. For that matter, if you believe “operational” encirclements are just as effective, then those should be objected to on the basis of creating fanatical defenders as well.
These three sided squeezes are happening because that’s all the Russians can do with the number of knives they’ve brought to this gunfight.

Posted by: Mike314159 | Mar 21 2023 21:32 utc | 123

Re Occam’s Razor, it’s not entirely possible which alternative Sir William would prefer: (1) the Russians don’t because they can’t, or (2) the Russians don’t because they choose not to, at least for now.
Given what’s in view, choosing not to seems pretty reasonable. Or, if I was a defender, once the situation seems irredeemably hopeless, I might suddenly become a lot braver and take a few opponents out with me. (Isn’t this a trope in war movies?)

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Mar 21 2023 21:40 utc | 124

“not entirely obvious” *

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Mar 21 2023 21:40 utc | 125

Posted by: Outraged | Mar 21 2023 21:24 utc | 120
“Another hijacked/derailed thread. Out.”
I agree. Besides, I have a monitor arm to mount – if I don’t fuck it up like the last one that wasted $40.00…
I reiterate, b – there are people here who need to be cleaned out.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 21 2023 21:41 utc | 126

Drastic overpopulation — we are at more than 8B, it needs to be reduced to <500M by early 21st century, and that needs to happen through draconian control on fertility, so that it happens without mass murder, genocide, war, famine, and disease, and we can preserve civilization in working order.
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:42 utc | 98
Reduce the world’s population by 94%????? How??? Why???
The simple reason all decent humans find war, famine, disease, and pestilence to be horrible is that those Four Horsemen kill people. Your sterilization idea is, by definition, sociopathic. It has been advocated by eugenicists, was an integral aspect of Nazism, and has been tried in Latin America by USAid tampering with the water supply. There are many who believe that COVID vaccines were designed and forced upon hundreds of millions of people precisely to reduce/eliminate fertility.
There are many elites such as Bill Gates who agree with you, as they consider their existence to be of a higher order than that of other human beings. They are monsters. So must you be.

Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 21 2023 21:42 utc | 127

@107 shadow banned
An educated scientist, well better save your breath and stick to the topic at hand. War is the important thing to watch, it has a power that can’t be ignored.
Watch adviika and bahkmut to see the future of war. Whoever wins writes the new book on it.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 21 2023 21:47 utc | 128

@shadowbanned #94
Amen.

Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 21 2023 21:48 utc | 129

Uranium ammunition as a weapon of mass destruction?
.
Interesting article about it
( right click translate it )
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https://www.telepolis.de/features/Massenvernichtungswaffe-Uranmunition-4350706.html

Posted by: mo3 | Mar 21 2023 21:50 utc | 130

The world will be a better place without the UK — no other state in history has brought more death, destruction and misery onto the world.
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:11 utc | 84

Could not agree more.

Which the Russians laughed at (although it is actually no laughing matter, this is quite serious in fact) because they don’t recognize the ICC and the ICC does not have any physical means of getting their hands on Putin.
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 21:01 utc | 110

How is this serious? The ICC is nothing more than a puppet organization, a tool for the Hegemon. Far too many people give these “international” organizations credit.

Posted by: Ian2 | Mar 21 2023 21:58 utc | 131

Numerous posts here today about the long-term effects of DU are correct. It’s such vile stuff that I’m moved to a “if I were the Russians I would” statement: they should respond provocatively to the use, or even the threat of the use, of such weapons while mounting a strong educational/propaganda campaign emphasizing the history of their use by the “West” against the “South.” At the very least attack them as soon as they are delivered to Ukraine, and break out the ample documentation of horrific injuries suffered by both children and adults particularly, iirc, in the battle of Fallujah. And then, for good measure, link it to the petal bombs deployed by the AUK. Likely the story would never get aired in NATOland, but it would hit home in the many countries that have been the US’ targets.

Posted by: dadooronron | Mar 21 2023 21:59 utc | 132

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336014831_'THE_HYBRID_DOCTRINE_FOR_URBAN_OPERATIONS'_COMPARING_THE_US_AND_THE_RUSSIAN_EVOLUTION_OF_URBAN_WARFARE_DOCTRINE
A good summary of Russia’s hybrid approach to urban warfare, using both conventional and unconventional forces.
Posted by: Mike314159 | Mar 21 2023 21:32 utc | 125
It could just as well be that the Russians adapted their doctrine, to reflect the fact that fighting in a modern ISR environment precluded applications of force projection that created traditional envelopments. If Ukraine does launch its offensive, they might find, to their cost, that their NATO training is equally moribund and in need of revision.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 21 2023 21:59 utc | 133

Reduce the world’s population by 94%????? How??? Why???
The simple reason all decent humans find war, famine, disease, and pestilence to be horrible is that those Four Horsemen kill people. Your sterilization idea is, by definition, sociopathic. It has been advocated by eugenicists, was an integral aspect of Nazism, and has been tried in Latin America by USAid tampering with the water supply. There are many who believe that COVID vaccines were designed and forced upon hundreds of millions of people precisely to reduce/eliminate fertility.
There are many elites such as Bill Gates who agree with you, as they consider their existence to be of a higher order than that of other human beings. They are monsters. So must you be.
Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 21 2023 21:42 utc | 129

It will be reduced one way or the other, it is an absolute biophysical certainty. Did you read the rest of what I posted? Those trends guarantee it.
The objectives are to:
1) not have it reduced to zero, which is a very real possibility
2) preserve the achievements of civilization so far because they will not be recreated again — there will not be another industrial civilization arising from the ashes, as all the concentrated resources ours relied on to build itself up will have been dissipated.
There are two ways to reduce population:
1) reduce births
2) increase deaths
Mathematically there is no alternative.
Increasing deaths is how it usually happens — war, famine and disease — and if there is a birth reduction too (which has happened historically), it is usually due to the chaos associated with increasing deaths.
So that is what we are trying to avoid.
But if you do not reduce births, it is what you will get with 100% certainty. Because then people will be desperately fighting for survival and the limited remaining resources.
The current war is in fact a direct manifestation of the global sustainability crisis, as I have explained many times — Russia has a lot of the remaining resources, plus it occupies the vast northern Eurasian landmass, i.e. one of the best places to be when the stable moderate climate we have relied on for so long really goes down the drain of history. So it has to be subjugated, and preferably the Russians should be exterminated and replaced. It is not a coincidence that Western rhetoric escalated so dramatically towards the openly genocidal as the months passed.
The Bill Gates types of the world plan on evacuating to New Zealand when shit hits the fan as their Plan B, and on having AI eliminate the need for workers as their Plan A (excess humanity will then be disposed of with mere negligence letting the four horsemen run wild).
The conspiracy you need to look for with COVID isn’t the vaccines reducing fertility or any other such nonsense — again, people who think that need to be lined up against a wall and shot for the crime of being too stupid for the rest of us to be able to afford to keep them safely around — the conspiracy is in not containing the spread of the virus. As we would have done merely a few decades ago — all stops would have been pulled to eliminate it out of the population (read up on how smallpox was eradicated). But now the elites saw no need for that and in fact a threat in doing so — first, the kind of measures required for that would have hurt their bottom line, second, reducing life expectancy to around or below the retirement age is actually great for them (no need to pay pensions, more money for yachts, mansions and wild orgies), third, so what if workers get disabled with LongCOVID? We don’t need them any more, we will have AI replace them.
But, because ignorant fools can be easily tricked into believing any lie, even when it goes directly against their most vital self interests, they were effortlessly maneuvered towards thinking the vaccine is the problem, without ever checking that conspiracy theory against the real world facts (i.e. who pushed vaccines, but then quickly stopped and started extolling the virtues of infection, who bankrolled the genocidal maniacs associated with Great Barrington Declaration, what narratives the media was pushing in January to early March 2020, and then since 2021, etc.).

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 22:02 utc | 134

@shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 20:42 utc | 98

1) Drastic overpopulation — we are at more than 8B, it needs to be reduced to <500M by early 21st century, and that needs to happen through draconian control on fertility,

Not sure who I am talking to here, but it seems you prescribe drastic Nazi policies so the world can stay civilized? Did I get that right? Care to go first?

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 22:08 utc | 135

Interesting.
The killing fields of the slaughter of hepless conscripts continue on unabated.
The country 404 are now down to using the old 1950’s S-60 semi auto 5.7cm AA mounted on the back of AWD Soviet era truck. Effective range 1.5K. Or just shy of one old obsolete Yankee mile. An easy target for the helicopter mounted fire and forget A-T missile. Battle field life after firing given would be in minutes on the eastern front*.
Clearly the photo report from the UK MI agent masquerading as a western UK foreign correspondent. Is from the relatively safer UAF western training range. The CIA provided lies printed in the western media regarding country 404. Continue on the lines of 1% fact mixed with 99% horse hockey.
On the March 21st, 2023 kill list.
*”In the past 24 hours, operational/tactical and army aviation aircraft, missile troops and artillery of the Russian group of forces struck 95 Ukrainian artillery units at firing positions, manpower and equipment in 107 areas, the general specified.”

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Mar 21 2023 22:11 utc | 136

Regarding the reduced population debate here at the bar regarding war, etc. as the means of population reduction: Reading that Redfield, a very knowledgeable scientist and epidemiologist involved in the COVID BS suggests gain of function research will ultimately produce a much worse pandemic result. How to stop these insane enemies of humanity?

Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 21 2023 22:12 utc | 137

Shadkwbanned no. 136
But before all this, fertility rates were dropping.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 21 2023 22:14 utc | 138

@shadowbanned #107
The problem isn’t a lack of resources, or some malthusian dilemna, but one of which class controls the resources. And another thing: here in the US, not too many are familiar with thermodynamics. It’s not because people aren’t smart, it’s because industry has been under attack attack for so long. Here, there’s 10 lawyers for every engineer, and not all engineers (only mechanical) take thermo’. It’s because there are fewer and fewer jobs for mechanical engineers (or physicist – who tend to be hired by finance because they’re adept with modeling and mathematics. Anyway, as an applied mathematician I have a fairly decent understanding of thermo’, know that the US/UK waged WWII as an inter-imperialist/anti-socialist one, but don’t really understand your Malthusian take on resources?

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 21 2023 22:15 utc | 139

@shadowbanned
psycopathic covid spamming nazi fucktard

Posted by: tks | Mar 21 2023 22:15 utc | 140

A question for all. Do you know these references? Do you have a link?

The analyses of the most qualified experts (I am thinking especially of the Americans John Mearsheimer and Noam Chomsky), the investigations of investigative journalists like Glenn Greenwald and Max Blumenthal, and the documents seized by the Russians – for example, the intercepted communications traffic of the Ukrainian army from 22 January and the attack plans seized on a computer left behind by a British officer – show that this war was both inevitable and highly improvised.

Source: https://www.schweizer-standpunkt.ch/news-detailansicht-en-international/zelenskymania-and-switzerland-s-ruined-image.html

Posted by: team10tim | Mar 21 2023 22:17 utc | 141

@Mike314159
dunning-krueger effect

Posted by: tks | Mar 21 2023 22:18 utc | 142

I understand Putin’s position on depleted uranium ammunition. However; the hysteria about it being radioactive is absurd. The radioactivity of any isotope is inversely proportional to its half-life. The longer the half-life, the less radioactive it is. With a half-life of over four billion years, Uranium-238 is among the least radioactive substances known to man.
There are issues with the chemical toxicity of uranium, but the same is true for the Mercury and Lead in conventional ammunition.
I think that the real issue here is propaganda and setting up a pretext for Russia to severely escalate the war. Bombing ammunition dumps in Poland would be far easier to justify.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 21 2023 22:24 utc | 143

shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 21:01 utc | 110
It’s about the information and opinion war. For example, an interpretation by ICC that Depleted Uranium armaments are weapons of mass destruction would be an opinion shaper and legal option not so much against the politicians but rather industries that manufacture them. Having legal precedent on your side is a form of power.

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 21 2023 22:26 utc | 144

Anyway, as an applied mathematician I have a fairly decent understanding of thermo’, know that the US/UK waged WWII as an inter-imperialist/anti-socialist one, but don’t really understand your Malthusian take on resources?
Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 21 2023 22:15 utc | 141

Very weird to be asking that question if you have actually understood the implications of certain fundamental results in those fields.
1) Is infinite growth possible physically?
2) At what point does the planet literally reach boiling from the waste heat if growth continues (it will have, of course, all collapsed long before that, but just to illustrate the absurdity of the argument)
3) Can the current economic system exist without perpetual growth and what happens if it is not replaced with something sustainable in an organized manner?

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 22:26 utc | 145

Wilhelm no. 139
“How to stop these insane enemies of humanity?”
We cannot stop them. It started with Oppenheimer. “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”.
And it will not end until the hubris of mankind is eradicated.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 21 2023 22:29 utc | 146

Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 20:02 utc | 78

Coming from a nation that collaborated with the Nazis, I am increasingly uneasy of the Russian-China alliance. The Chinese have a dark history when it comes to dealing with the Caucasian races.

LOL ! Don’t they refer to it as the Century Of Humiliation ?
Is you is or is you aint our norwegian ?
Ah figgers, aint !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Mar 21 2023 22:30 utc | 147

I understand Putin’s position on depleted uranium ammunition. However; the hysteria about it being radioactive is absurd. The radioactivity of any isotope is inversely proportional to its half-life. The longer the half-life, the less radioactive it is. With a half-life of over four billion years, Uranium-238 is among the least radioactive substances known to man.
Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 21 2023 22:24 utc | 145

Absolutely true about half life versus long-term radioactivity.
The problem with DU is that it gets inhaled and ingested but it does not get cleared.
So even though it is only 0.3% U-235, and it’s U-235, i.e. hundreds of millions of years half life, not Po-210 or something else truly nightmarish like it, that’s a lot of particles in your lungs and elsewhere in your body slowly emitting radiation.
I will be the first to rant about how people usually vastly overestimate the dangers of radiation and how much harm that has done to the world.
But this is one of those cases where concern is warranted.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 22:31 utc | 148

Oriental Voice | Mar 21 2023 19:12 utc | 58
>”…the Auzzies seem eager to kiss Sammy’s ass …
>”…full of themselves and itching to do killings.
>”… question … so imbecile as to bite.
Answers:
Yep
Yep
And Yep.
2014- Tony Abbott is PM. He’d *already* agreed to 4K Australian troops to Ukraine.
This was *BEFORE* MH-17, which had a large number of Australian passengers.
Later it was spun the Aussie-troops-for-Ukraine were approved in *RESPONSE* to MH-17.
But no-one wanted to look deeply. It would seem MH-17 was planned well ahead. Australians were sacrificed, and the grief and outrage was supposed to be manipulated to allow Aussie troops to fight in Ukraine.
Then we had a change of government.
But with the spineless specimen we have as PM now…. Maybe the Ukrainian folly can be respawned.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 22:40 utc | 149

Source: https://www.schweizer-standpunkt.ch/news-detailansicht-en-international/zelenskymania-and-switzerland-s-ruined-image.html
Posted by: team10tim | Mar 21 2023 22:17 utc | 143
I’ve heard of him, but don’t run into him much. I just read through that, and he makes sense, pretty consistent with my understanding, but it’s a year old and not telling me much either. He seems about right on how the war went hot.
OTOH, you have to give him credit for seeing into the future pretty well. He’s got a lot of stuff right in that article.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 21 2023 22:41 utc | 150

Elmer Fudd @145–
The toxicity of DU bits is many orders of magnitudes greater than lead or mercury as proven by lab investigations, especially particles that lodge in lungs. Recall Gulf War Syndrome that afflicted many US troops? Part of that toxic mixture was DU. My own investigation led me to posit DU is a lethal chemical weapon once activated by the heat generated when the ordinance its combined with explodes, and it’s not just the particles but also the aerosol that gets into the bloodstream and alters sperm DNA, thus the horrific birth defects. What made it very bad in Iraq was the dust would settle to the ground and mix with all the other dust, which would then get stirred up and mobilized into the air again with each passing vehicle. IMO, Russia’s classing it as the same as a dirty bomb is correct, and any nation using it declares itself Anti-Human. IMO, the best response would be a volley of hypersonics aimed at those who approved the usage of DU if it is indeed employed–currently that’s restricted to the UK.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2023 22:45 utc | 151

In undergraduate school, I learned about classical thermodynamics as it relates to heat engines: internal combustion, steam, refrigerators/heat pumps, etc. In graduate school the approach was more towards statistical methods and equations of state. I’ve read many Russian/Ukrainian articles on chemical thermodynamics and I’m familiar with the proofs of abiotic origins of oil and how the synthesis of the alkanes can only occur without violation of the 2nd law in terms of entropy and enthalpy. That is, it’s impossible to synthesize something like pentane or octane from biological material with low potential energy without tremendous pressure and heat. However, you’ll have to do a more convincing argument to convince me that the 2nd law applies to points 1. and 2. Your 3rd point, I agree with. As long as the current economic system exists, then issues like sustainability and an organized system of production and distribution will always get distorted – under the profit motive, that is.

Posted by: zeke2u | Mar 21 2023 22:50 utc | 152

jared | Mar 21 2023 20:26 utc | 88
Very sad
No one cares
They’re Iraqi children
Remember 500,000 dead Iraqi children is “worth it” to the US.
No-one hauled Madeline Albright to The Hague for orchestrating this obscenity.
So DU against Russia is not merely “worth it”, but part of “whatever it takes”……

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 22:53 utc | 153

The UK will send “armor piercing rounds which contain depleted uranium” to Ukraine, for use with the tank squadron donated by the British army. [The] deputy defense minister Baroness Goldie made the admission yesterday in response to a written parliamentary question from crossbench peer Lord Hylton. Goldie said: “Such rounds are highly effective in defeating modern tanks and armored vehicles.”
Russia has previously warned it would regard the use of depleted uranium in Ukraine as a ‘dirty bomb’.
Posted by: depleted uranium clm | Mar 21 2023 17:10 utc | 4
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I was just watching Col. Doug Macgregor on the latest Judge Napolitano program on You-Tube. Macgregor, who has generally been relatively fair about the Ukraine / Russia conflict, actually defended the use of using depleted uranium shells in combat. He seems to imply that the danger of getting cancer from radiated shells is overstated.
I thought I have seen and read that studies have shown that cancer rates have increased significantly in areas where depleted uranium shells were used (Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan). Of course, it takes years to determine the effects of radiated shells on a civilian or military population, as these cancers do not develop overnight. I question Col. Macgregor’s honesty on this subject: Perhaps I am wrong, and President Putin is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Still, I wonder if Macgregor would be willing to put a radiated shell in his grandchildren’s bed at night, I know I wouldn’t.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:19 utc | 154

team10tim | Mar 21 2023 22:17 utc | 143
Back in the earliest days of the sloSMO, Russia Zerg-rushed a lot of known NATO locations in Ukraine, including a HQ in Mariupol.
It was no secret location as NATO had been posing for pics and gloating all through Dec-Feb.
They never expected Russia to take those locations. They were caught out and most fled, but left behind a trove of documents and equipment.
I’m inclined to think that’s the source… NATO equipment found at their Mariupol HQ.
>…NATO officers leading the war against Russia are surrounded in Mariupol. April 6 2022
https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress.com/2022/04/06/nato-officers-leading-the-war-against-russia-are-surrounded-in-mariupol/

Two more Ukrainian helicopters were shot down yesterday as they tried to break the military blockade imposed by Russian troops on Mariupol and evacuate the warlords leading the war.
On 31 March, two more helicopters were shot down, one over the sea and the other near the village of Rybatskoye.
On 28 March another plane was shot down over the sea, 5 km off the coast.
With only 50 to 60 helicopters left for the entire Ukrainian army, these are very significant losses of war materiel. Yet NATO and its Ukrainian poodles insist on evacuating the ringleaders they have trapped in the city. The question is who they are trying to rescue.
……”NATO officers from France, Germany, Britain and Sweden appear to have been overrun at the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol. “They are now contacting Russian troops to ask them to help them leave, to organise a corridor to get out”,…”
“…This is why Macron insists on calling Putin every day. He has an election this weekend ……news now breaks that French troops have been killed, Macron’s re-election would be impossible.…”
“…… US Army Lieutenant General Roger L. Cloutier …… his capture has been denied….

>…US Lt. Gen. Roger L. Cloutier, Jr. Taken Prisoner in Mariupol
April 9 2022
https://geopolitics.co/2022/04/09/us-lt-gen-roger-l-cloutier-jr-taken-prisoner-in-mariupol/
>…No, Roger Cloutier, a NATO chief, was not captured in Mariupol
April 9 2022
https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2022-04-09-no–roger-cloutier–a-nato-chief–was-not-captured-in-mariupol.rkQP8PTCm5.html

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 23:28 utc | 155

Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:19 utc | 158
Re DU.
Maybe you could read this very thread for more insight….

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 23:33 utc | 156

Just to let you all know, whoever is posting as “Jen” and cutting / pasting articles straight out of other online sources without referencing them under that name is an imposter.
The real Jen no longer posts as Jen.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 21 2023 23:34 utc | 157

Coming from a nation that collaborated with the Nazis, I am increasingly uneasy of the Russian-China alliance. The Chinese have a dark history when it comes to dealing with the Caucasian races.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 20:02 utc | 78
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Gee, Mr. Norwegian, and I mean no disrespect, but I would have thought that that the situation was the other way around: Surely you know about the Opium Wars? The British did not show the white man’s best face in that affair, nor have they since then with Hong Kong and all.
Still, what the F does the Chinese have to do with the Nazis anyway. Perhaps, your point just went over my head, so please enlighten me. Thank you.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:36 utc | 158

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 21 2023 22:41 utc | 152

I just read through that, and he makes sense, pretty consistent with my understanding, but it’s a year old and not telling me much either. He seems about right on how the war went hot.

That is why I am asking. It seemed like a solid assessment, especially since it is a year old and still rings true. But he mentions two things that I have not seen before:
documents seized by the Russians –
1) intercepted communications traffic of the Ukrainian army from 22 January.
2) the attack plans seized on a computer left behind by a British officer.
And I was wondering if anyone here had seen those claims before, and maybe had a link.

Posted by: team10tim | Mar 21 2023 23:37 utc | 159

What’s good for the goose?
Well, there’s nowt stopping the Russians from banging a few thousand DU shells together and threatening to use them in retaliation

Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 21 2023 23:42 utc | 160

Things mist be extremely dire for Ukraine in Avdiivka.
I say this because there is very litte updates of it in twitter. Sure even pro russian accounts are quiet but that must also be because its not the annoying Wagner Mercs who are in it but regular Russian army.
With Xi visit ending. I think there will be some big fireworks from both sides next few days.
I have a certain bad feeling things will get much worse next few days.
Hopefully these lunatics from both sides avoid sending us to a nuclear apocalypse.

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 21 2023 23:42 utc | 161

team10tim | Mar 21 2023 23:37 utc | 163
>…”anyone here had seen those claims before?
Yes.
As part of the Russian capture in the NATO HQ in Mariupol.
One place to start for links would be here, in the archives. Barflies then, as now, are the legion of links.
Commentators at The Saker would also have had this on their radar.
Try those archives
If you find anything interesting, please post.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 23:44 utc | 162

There is a very interesting interview of Col. Larry Wilkinson, Secretary of State Colin Powell’s chief of staff at,
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/03/20/iraq-20-years-iraq-invasion-aukus-blasted-in-rousing-sydney-rally/
That provides some hints on how the White House works.

Posted by: Richard L | Mar 21 2023 23:49 utc | 163

1) intercepted communications traffic of the Ukrainian army from 22 January.
2) the attack plans seized on a computer left behind by a British officer.
And I was wondering if anyone here had seen those claims before, and maybe had a link.
Posted by: team10tim | Mar 21 2023 23:37 utc | 163
I’ve seen the claims, but nothing beyond what Melaleuca had to say. The problem is there are few if any reliable sources these days, so you wind up assembling what you have heard, and seeing what best fits together. Most of the time, I don’t bother.
There have been lots of stories about intercepts/surveillance playing a role. Captured “foreign intel” stuff is less common.
One does get the impression the Russians have lots of biolab stuff, and intend to badger the west with it eventually.
At this point, I don’t see anybody talking about that time much now, the whole early party of the war is mythologized and “forgotten”.
Sorry I can’t offer better, as the fellow says we are mushrooms.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 21 2023 23:51 utc | 164

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:36 utc | 162
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@Fake Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 20:02 utc | 78
Please show this incompetent impostor the door.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 20:17 utc | 86
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Mr. Norwegian, I do so much apologize. I just showed up on the site and I did NOT realize that the IMPOSTER.
Please B, get these imposters off the site, I have noticed that the trolls are doing this a lot lately. I think they are running scared and showing their true disgusting colors because Russia is winning in Ukraine, but Russia is playing with the Ukie’s like a cat plays with a mouse before they devour them for dinner. I think Mark 2 has had the same problem. But you know who they are; don’t you B? They should be exposed and ridiculed on the MoA.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:52 utc | 165

team10tim @163–
Yes, saw the claims but don’t recall any links, although I seem to recall a Russian MOD PR about it announcing proof of the planned NATO/Ukie offensive Russia’s SMO preempted. It’s also possible it was combined with the discovery of the Biolab papers which occurred at about the same time, which would be early March 2022.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2023 23:54 utc | 166

@ Norwegian 100
Very glad to know that the “Norwegian” for #78 is a fake. That fraudster’s email should get banned.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 21 2023 23:56 utc | 167

Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:19 utc | 158
Re DU.
Maybe you could read this very thread for more insight….
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 23:33 utc | 160
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Yes Melaleuca, you are right. I came in late. My Texas time doesn’t fit well with the other time zones on this site. I have seen some very good responses to this question about radiated anti-tank shells, and I am still reading. Thank you.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 21 2023 23:58 utc | 168

So hilarious, the armchair generalissimo’s are extolling the virtue of two obsolete slow, thirsty and vulnerable obsolete Challenger Mk1/2’s.
Virtues or fails? Weighing in at 70/75 metric tonnes fully loaded. With adequate internal fuel for a mere 100K between fills(wiki data is way too optimistic/borderline fiction). When driven off road. Flat out maximum speed off road less than 25kph. Incorporating the Italian design innovation of three reverse gears gearbox though!
Sadly like every other NAZO design MBT since 1950. The turret roof armour is less than 5cm and the side armour can be penetrated by a cheap RPG28. Or cheaper RPG7V too! Even the 1960’s Komet will have no problem of a one hit one kill with this unit.
Modern cigarette packet size satellite tracking/cell phone home devices hidden and covered by the travel tarp. Complete with a ten day lithium battery. Are sight to behold.
Since the dumb/dumber brits will be using(disposing) a few old Challenger 1’s glow in the dark relics from Gulf War 1.0 to country 404. The battlefield survival of these two tanks is moot. Time on the Eastern Front is estimated to be a maximum of thirty minutes from breaking cover to destruction. For there is a very large supply of suicide tank buster drones flying westward. So as to speak.
Now, it is common knowledge that all new obsolete samples of NAZO war trash toy tech. Is directly sold to RF for cash by the “404” five finger discounters. Infesting every corner of the smaller by the day country 404. The second unit will end up at Kublinka. Within forty eight hours after arrival in Country 404. Such is the high level east bound railway yard wastage within country 404.
Keep up the good work all you wannabe armchair generalissimo’s.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Mar 21 2023 23:59 utc | 169

Ed @169–
As with their master the Empire of Lies, the trolls have always only had lies, so now they try to put them into the mouths of those who are credible. Yes, they are as despicable as their master, which makes it hard on newbies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 21 2023 23:59 utc | 170

Posted by: ableman | Mar 21 2023 20:51 utc | 103
“But IMHO, now they are facing defeat.”
Agreed. The reason the West is facing defeat is because the Russians both OUT GUN and OUT NUKE the West. Add the advanatage of a first strike and the USA does not have a chance.
The best time for the Russians to launch is just after they take and secure the Donbas. This would eliminate the NATO threat on their Western border.
The Donbas could fall within the next 3 or 4 months. I think the launch date could be around July 8, 2023.
3 or 4 months is nothing. So, we will soon see if this speculation is or is not correct.

Posted by: young | Mar 22 2023 0:04 utc | 171

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 23:28 utc | 159
During azovstal siege, there were also claims and reports that some of those Nato officers had actually been killed and burned by Azov. They might have had orders higher up (Zelensky’s government through Nato) to kill some of them to avoid getting captured and embarrassing Nato. First of course, they sent pretty much every available helicopter trying to extract VIPs from Azovstal siege.
Whether they are true or not, I don’t know, but they have done the same thing to foreign mercenaries recently, in more grotesque ways even to make them unidentifiable. Nato at least earlier wanted to maintain utmost secrecy of what they have involved.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 0:06 utc | 172

An excellent article at Consortium News today
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/03/21/diana-johnstone-germans-down-russians-out/
Diane Johnstone is always worth reading. Today’s piece on Germany is one that nobody should miss.
Also at the Consortium News site is Patrick Lawrence on Trump and the coming indictment.
Another excellent piece.
ThusspakeZarathustra@140
You make an excellent point. The Malthusians refuse to understand the connection between extreme poverty and the general fear of death/extinction, on the one hand, and rapid increases in the birth rate on the other.
After two centuries Malthus’s errors, the product of his hatred of the poor and his longing for patronage from the ruling class, are a matter of fact, empirically established.
People are quite capable of controlling their reproduction, all that is required is a decent society in which homelessness and starvation are not constant fears.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 22 2023 0:11 utc | 173

team10tim @ 163
I do remember that laptop story with NATO documents on it and I’m pretty sure that there’s a lengthy article about it at the following site: https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/
Unfortunately it’s in German and the search over there is really bad so you would have to go through the archives to find it. Or maybe try Google or other search engines and restrict results to that domain.

Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 0:13 utc | 174

jared | Mar 21 2023 20:26 utc | 88
Very sad
No one cares
They’re Iraqi children
Remember 500,000 dead Iraqi children is “worth it” to the US.
No-one hauled Madeline Albright to The Hague for orchestrating this obscenity.
So, DU against Russia is not merely “worth it”, but part of “whatever it takes”……
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 21 2023 22:53 utc | 156
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And to think, the ICC has issued arrest warrants for President Putin, but this Cow, Madeline Albright walks free to this day.
I am still in the dark about what are the bases of the ICC (i.e. the US) “charges” against President Putin? What is it that he is supposed to have done with the children that warrants this response from the ICC? As best as I can tell, some childern were removed from the war zone (can someone elaborate?). Which makes me wonder if all the childern who were removed from their parents on the US/Mexican border during the Trump Administration, have been reunited with their lawful parents? The fact is that after Biden came into office the issue just disappeared: But was it resolved?

Posted by: Ed | Mar 22 2023 0:17 utc | 175

@ team10tim
Found the article re NATO laptop:
https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/mehr-details-zu-dem-von-donezker-truppen-sichergestellten-nato-notebook/

Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 0:18 utc | 176

Here we go again:
https://t.me/notes_veterans/8592

Large columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine move in the frontline zone without problems. Technique accumulates in the rear areas. Information about this comes mainly from local sources.
Where is the satellite intelligence?
Where are the hyperspectral all-weather satellites, like the Americans, that track all of our troop movements in all weathers?
Where is the high-precision weapon capable of promptly striking such columns?
Who was responsible for this?

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 0:20 utc | 177

And to think, the ICC has issued arrest warrants for President Putin, but this Cow, Madeline Albright walks free to this day.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 22 2023 0:17 utc | 179

She died a year ago

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 0:21 utc | 178

Sorry for the spam but here’s more re laptop, the press conference of Denis Puschilin of the DPR:
https://t.me/neuesausrussland/2181

Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 0:22 utc | 179

Lol, why on earth would the Ukies or Nato hide the identity of people being in Ukraine? The Russians are the ones sending that message, it’s tough to explain to Mrs Smith why John vanished and can’t be identified.
The reason they shot that Ukrainian right when they encircled Bakhmut… “Don’t bother to surrender you will pay the price no matter what this time”
There is no good guys here.

Posted by: OohCanada | Mar 22 2023 0:37 utc | 180

I wonder if Russia will decide to test their Tsunami machine in the English channel if the UK DU rounds get used??

Posted by: Oldcutlas | Mar 22 2023 0:39 utc | 181

Uranium toxicity:
https://web.evs.anl.gov/uranium/guide/ucompound/health/index.cfm#:~:text=Chemical%20Toxicity&text=Once%20in%20the%20bloodstream%2C%20the,acute%20kidney%20failure%20and%20death.
Just to offer some actual information rather than propaganda.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 0:39 utc | 182

Re: ThusspakeZarathustra @ 38
I remember those heart-breaking photos well: how could anyone forget those appalling images of terribly deformed infants?
https://hibakusha-worldwide.org/en/locations/fallujah : this site gives further information on the sickness resulting from depleted uranium in Fallujah and other war zones, and the ongoing health problems experienced by the local community.

Posted by: woodsbeyondthetrees | Mar 22 2023 0:40 utc | 183

Perhaps the most important words Xi said in his press statement today was about the Ukraine peace proposal:
“Our position is based on the very essence of the issue and the truth.”
Those are poisonous words to the West’s ears for their narrative is completely the opposite of Xi’s words. But for RoW, Xi’s words are exactly what all relations require. And reversing its ways will be the only path for the West to gain readmittance to humanity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2023 0:41 utc | 184

High EVM @74. Welcome to the Bar. What is your potion of choice? I’ll shout you one! Difficult questions you ask. What is known is that the AFU have in the past 7-10 days mounted 2 what they apparently call ‘reconnaissance offensives’ in the Zaporozhia region both of which were comprehensively repelled by the Russians with loss of equipment and manpower. In terms of manpower losses, the AFU is losing soldiers by the magnitude of hundreds per day if not 1000s at times. The attrition rate inflicted by the Russians is formidable. It is quite clear to me, at least, that NATO is intent on capturing Crimea. For many years it has long desired to install a USA Naval Base there which would give them control of the Black Sea and Moscow within very close proximity of missile strikes. I think they see taking Zaphorozia as a key milestone to breaking through. Not a lot of success to date though and one hell of a lot of loss of AFU soldiers and equipment.
There are fellow Barflies here who are far more knowledgeable about these things than me though and they would be able to answer your questions much better than I. In the meantime, keep sitting at the Bar and keep the conversation flowing; mine’s a double single malt!!

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Mar 22 2023 0:42 utc | 185

And to think, the ICC has issued arrest warrants for President Putin, but this Cow, Madeline Albright walks free to this day.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 22 2023 0:17 utc | 179
She died a year ago
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 0:21 utc | 182
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Now that you mention it, I bet it wasn’t from DU poisoning.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 22 2023 0:45 utc | 186

More actual information:
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/uranium/pathogenic_changes.html
Everyone needs to stop shitting their panties.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 0:45 utc | 187

“Over the last three days fighting has largely stopped there. No one seems to know why the operation was halted…
I find it likely that the Russian attacks on Bakhmut were halted after the Avdiivka development succeeded to give the Ukraine military enough time to make an error.”

I agree w MoA’s assessment entirely.
Additionally to benefiting from ‘never interrupt your enemy when he is about to commit a mistake’ by reinforcing weakness, Russia is also avoiding any advances to prevent destroying more towns in order to eliminate UAF forces.
While control of the newly annexed territories must be a long term goal, I get the impression Russia is slow walking its advance in order to minimise the amount of towns and buildings it needs to destroy and then rebuild. If Zelensky wants to keep sending troops to the meat grinder, it makes no sense to spread the grinding across all of the Donbass.
The aim of the SMO is to destroy Ukraine’s army, not its villages.

Posted by: Et Tu | Mar 22 2023 1:00 utc | 189

Some videos for today.
Refugee center in the Donetsk Republic provides aid to hundreds of evacuees:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Kosarev_Refugee_center_2103:7
Russian Msta-S self-propelled howitzers pound the enemy:
https://rutube.ru/video/2c1acf70d9acb448a1d8a87cf23e92cf/
Russian Msta-B howitzers fire on enemy position:
https://rutube.ru/video/8091a248c424274b0a8a717c9eba4280/
Russian snipers conduct firing mission on the frontline:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/Russian_snipers_2103:2
Russian artillerymen attack enemy positions in the zone of the special military operation:
https://odysee.com/@SputnikInternational:c/2023-03-21-10.31.04:3
Russian defenders destroyed Kiev regime attack on the Zaporozhye front:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/zapor-offensive-fail:8
‘Today – tanks, tomorrow – our sons’ — Germans protest arms deliveries to Kiev regime:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/germany-anti-war-rally:5

Posted by: Nate | Mar 22 2023 1:01 utc | 190

Using depleted uranium is not done by someone expecting to recapture the land. It is a declaration of defeat.
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 21 2023 17:28 utc | 16
That is not true. U.S. bombed Kosovo with DU and then seized it and even has an enormous base there.

Posted by: MiniMo | Mar 22 2023 1:15 utc | 191

Depleted uranium – Russia has over the years manufactured discarding sabot anti-tank rounds from depleted Uranium just like the west has, beyond testing I doubt Russia has ever used them in war because other types of rounds meet Russia’s needs better.

Russian 125mm APFSDS rounds that use depleted uranium.
3VBM10/3BM29/30
Entered service 1982. Depleted uranium-nickel-iron alloy sheathed in steel.
Country of origin: Soviet Union
Projectile dimension: 450 mm 12: 1 L/d – including 250 mm core
Projectile weight (including sabot): 6.55 kg
Projectile weight: 4.85 kg
Muzzle velocity: 1700 m/s
Muzzle energy: 7.0 MJ
Penetration: 440 mm at 0° at 2000 m, 210 mm at 60° at 2000 m
3VBM13/3BM32/33 (3BM32 “Vant”)
Entered service in 1985. The projectile is an integrated depleted uranium-nickel-zinc alloy penetrator.
Country of origin: Soviet Union
Projectile dimension: 380 mm 13: 1 L/d
Projectile weight (including sabot): 7.05 kg
Projectile weight: 4.85 kg
Muzzle velocity: 1700 m/s
Muzzle energy: 7.0 MJ
Penetration 540 mm at 0° at 2000 m, 250 mm at 60° at 2000 m
3VBM20/3BM46 (3BM48 “Svinets”)
Entered service in 1991. Uses a new advanced high elongation uranium monoblock penetrator.
Country of origin: Soviet Union
Projectile dimension: 546 mm 21.84: 1 L/d
Round weight: ? ;kg
Projectile weight (including sabot): ?
Projectile weight: 4.85 kg
Muzzle velocity: 1700 m/s
Muzzle energy: 7.4 MJ
Penetration: 510 mm at 0° at 2000 m, 300 mm at 60° at 2000 m
3VBM22/3BM59 (3BM59 “Svinets-2”)
Entered service: 2016. Uses a new sabot design, and a new depleted uranium penetrator. Used on 2A46M-5 with new autoloader.
Country of origin: Russia
Projectile dimension: ?
Round weight: 22.0 kg[4]
Projectile weight (including sabot): 8.4 kg[4]
Projectile weight: 8.8 kg (Estimated)
Muzzle velocity: 1660 m/s[4]
Muzzle energy: 12.1 MJ[5]
Penetration: ~740mm 0° at 2000 meters
3VBM?/3BM69 “Vacuum-1”
Uses a new sabot. Reported to be uranium alloy. For use on 2A82-1M cannon on T-14 Armata.[6][7]
Country of origin: Russia
Projectile dimension: ?
Round weight: ?
Projectile weight (including sabot): ?
Projectile weight: estimated 11 kg
Muzzle velocity: 2050 m/s[6]
Muzzle energy: 15–24 MJ[6] (described 15MJ probably refer to high-explosive shell)
Penetration: 1,000 mm at 0° at 2000m[6]

So Russia’s response to UK delivering them to Ukraine might just be to use depleted uranium rounds against NATO MBTs like the Leopard-2s, Challenger 2s and Abrams. They wont last long and the crews will most likely all die.

The more brutal option would be to manufacture drones with elements made of depleted uranium designed to burn and launch them into western Ukraine, to contaminate what agricultural land there is. How quickly would NATO complain if the Russians did this?

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 22 2023 1:15 utc | 192

Ed @ 179:
ICC charges against Vladimir Putin (Russian President) and Maria Lvova-Belova (Commissioner for Children’s Rights in the Office of the President of the Russian Federation) as follows:

Today, 17 March 2023, Pre-Trial Chamber II of the International Criminal Court (“ICC” or “the Court”) issued warrants of arrest for two individuals in the context of the situation in Ukraine: Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Ms Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova.
Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute).
Ms Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova, born on 25 October 1984, Commissioner for Children’s Rights in the Office of the President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Ms Lvova-Belova bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute).
Pre-Trial Chamber II considered, based on the Prosecution’s applications of 22 February 2023, that there are reasonable grounds to believe that each suspect bears responsibility for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population and that of unlawful transfer of population from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation, in prejudice of Ukrainian children.
The Chamber considered that the warrants are secret in order to protect victims and witnesses and also to safeguard the investigation. Nevertheless, mindful that the conduct addressed in the present situation is allegedly ongoing, and that the public awareness of the warrants may contribute to the prevention of the further commission of crimes, the Chamber considered that it is in the interests of justice to authorise the Registry to publicly disclose the existence of the warrants, the name of the suspects, the crimes for which the warrants are issued, and the modes of liability as established by the Chamber.
The abovementioned warrants of arrests were issued pursuant to the applications submitted by the Prosecution on 22 February 2023.

In other words, of all the possible war crimes Putin could be charged with, he (along with Maria Lvova-Belova) is charged with the crime of removing children from a war zone in eastern Ukraine.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 22 2023 1:17 utc | 193

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 21 2023 22:26 utc | 147
You don’t need to apply the 2nd law of thermodynamics to answer your first question.
Simply ask, name me one physical system that is observed to have infinite growth.
Science is based on observation, and I cannot come up with one. That doesn’t mean that one does not exist, but so far, we have no evidence. Not algae in a pond, not animal populations, not even the universe, although there are theoretical physicists who hypothesize that the cosmos is expanding infinitely.
But those are just theories, and plenty of physicists are on the other side of the fence.
So anyone who argues for infinite growth is really not arguing from a scientific or even a logical point of view, maybe a spiritual one. You know, God is infinite, or something to that effect.
And to take it back to the mundane, the economic system of late-stage capitalism is based on infinite growth, so it is doomed to either collapse or be replaced with a more sane alternative that fits the physical world.
Karl Denninger over at Ticker Forum has written a lot about this, and it has to do with exponential growth always collapsing at some point.
Our current western economies depend on ever-increasing debt, which is really just borrowing future growth and cashing it in now. But energy inputs are not infinite, and without energy, all economic activity collapses.
We’re doomed to increasing instability in the western finance system because we’ve borrowed more from the future than is physically possible to cash the checks.
It’s game over, but the timescale of the final collapse is of course unknown.
A new economic system will be needed to work with limits to growth or more likely a steady-state equilibrium, but first, we will likely get close to that 500M number of earth’s population.
Editorial comment -No dictator or madman needed – we’ll simply see a die-off in humans similar to what happened to the dinosaurs.
I also find it interesting to study the laws of thermodynamics, and their implications. I was trained as a meteorologist and took enough physics to at least familiarize myself with the laws.
Many do not understand and will call us names.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 22 2023 1:22 utc | 194

@MiniMo
That is not true. U.S. bombed Kosovo with DU and then seized it and even has an enormous base there.
So what? I guess you haven’t heard that the elites running the US couldn’t care less about their own military. I guess you haven’t heard about the camp LeJeune lawsuit, either.
You can bet that Larry Fink or Bill Gates aren’t moving to Kosovo anytime soon.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 22 2023 1:25 utc | 195

@ james | Mar 21 2023 22:44 utc | 153
that is not me… imposter – name hijacker…. fortunately most know this..

Posted by: james | Mar 22 2023 1:30 utc | 196

So Russia’s response to UK delivering them to Ukraine might just be to use depleted uranium rounds against NATO MBTs like the Leopard-2s, Challenger 2s and Abrams. They wont last long and the crews will most likely all die.
The more brutal option would be to manufacture drones with elements made of depleted uranium designed to burn and launch them into western Ukraine, to contaminate what agricultural land there is. How quickly would NATO complain if the Russians did this?
Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 22 2023 1:15 utc | 196

That is absolute insanity — why would RU want to contaminate what was, is already again, or will be in the future its own land?
A cobalt bomb over the UK would be a fitting retaliation, but not this.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 1:41 utc | 197

A new economic system will be needed to work with limits to growth or more likely a steady-state equilibrium, but first, we will likely get close to that 500M number of earth’s population.
[…]
Many do not understand and will call us names.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 22 2023 1:22 utc | 198

Sadly that is how it is.
And we will get to that number. We could have done it the easy way, but it will be the hard way instead. The choice was ours and we made it.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 1:41 utc | 198

This thing with the impostors is disturbing.
It seems like it is probably organized infowar-fare, perhaps a paid gang of stooges, who have upped their game a bit from random drive-by insults (cough … Zanon.)
Maybe someone with IT skills can put a system of authentication on the site. Emails are not going to work as they can be easily faked, although perhaps not guessed.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 22 2023 1:42 utc | 199

In other words, of all the possible war crimes Putin could be charged with, he (along with Maria Lvova-Belova) is charged with the crime of removing children from a war zone in eastern Ukraine.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Mar 22 2023 1:17 utc | 197

That is because RU has been very careful to do everything by the book, and the “invasion” was in fact fully legal under international law:
1) They recognized the DPR and the LPR
2) The DPR and the LPR asked for military assistance in defending themselves
3) RU provided it
4) The four regions declared independence and did a referendum
5) RU acknowledged the results and admitted them into the RF.
Everything there is perfectly legal.
So they have to resort to renaming evacuation of civilians from a warzone as “abducting children”, as disgusting and despicable as it is.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 22 2023 1:43 utc | 200