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March 26, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-72
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Putin: Nuclear weapons will ready to launch in Belarus by July 1st, the USA deploys Nukes at their Allie’s sites, Russia will now do the same” Posted by: Dave Oneil | Mar 27 2023 15:01 utc | 1 television falsifies interview with Hungarian foreign Posted by: mo3 | Mar 27 2023 15:15 utc | 2 After the culprits are handcuffed, Russia to demand compensation for destruction of Nord Stream pipelines.
“not disclosing the exact route for delivery.” Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2023 15:25 utc | 3 @ mo3 | Mar 27 2023 15:15 utc | 2 Posted by: james | Mar 27 2023 15:34 utc | 4 Marder is a beautiful machine. That and the Sisu are good light infantry support. Posted by: Fnord73 | Mar 27 2023 15:40 utc | 5 On Topic Essay from a barrister of good character> “From Hegemony to Multipolarity: How Post-Cold War U.S. Foreign Policy Towards Russia is Creating a Modern Eurasia” Posted by: Walter | Mar 27 2023 15:49 utc | 6 The caption to this video reads “This is what a unit commander should look like!”, hard not agree. That’s a stroll on the west side of the Bakhmutka river, not posted by the commander himself: Posted by: Paco | Mar 27 2023 15:51 utc | 7 Now we know why Putin moved nuclear weapons to Belarus, it was more out of retaliation than insecurity, the latter suggested by the West. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2023 15:54 utc | 8
Posted by: Down South | Mar 27 2023 15:56 utc | 9 Russia receiving compensation for NS is as imaginary as Armenia arresting Putin for the ICC. They plan on doing so but ratification is still needed, so not today. Posted by: rk | Mar 27 2023 15:58 utc | 10 Posted by: Down South | Mar 27 2023 15:56 utc | 9 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2023 16:06 utc | 11 Ukrainian soldiers pull over a mother with a baby and accuse her of driving past their convoy. Posted by: Michael Weddington | Mar 27 2023 16:10 utc | 12 @ rk post 10
To pray for peace and the ending of war undermines national security. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2023 16:27 utc | 13 Posted by: Down South | Mar 27 2023 15:56 utc | 9 Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 27 2023 16:28 utc | 14 … Compensation Claims for Nord Stream Blast After Identifying Responsible Justified: Kremlin … Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 27 2023 16:29 utc | 15 A continuous stream of MI6 terror attacks in Europe will probably start soon to be blamed on Igor and Boris™. Posted by: First Time Poster | Mar 27 2023 16:50 utc | 16 I don’t see the situation in Ukraine having an off-ramp that does not also include dealing with NATO, global financial hegemony and Occupied Palestine. Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 27 2023 16:54 utc | 17 Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2023 15:54 utc | 8 Posted by: rk | Mar 27 2023 16:55 utc | 18 Of course Russia will get compensation for Nordstream. Germany does not yet know how it will pay it ! There are 30-Year Pay-or-Take Gas Contracts between Gazprom and German Buying Agencies that Germany believes are invalid “through force majeure” or “MACC” which resolution of culpability will excise. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 27 2023 16:57 utc | 19 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 27 2023 17:03 utc | 20 Aging (who isn’t?) right wing, rock star guitarist Ted Nugent called Zelensky a “homosexual weirdo.” Posted by: gottlieb | Mar 27 2023 17:11 utc | 21 All Ukrainian Nazi-pigs must die: https://twitter.com/i/status/1640390393295519751 Posted by: Apollyon | Mar 27 2023 17:12 utc | 22 John “hit and miss” Helmer, has one of his better efforts up today… Posted by: Conan the Contrarian | Mar 27 2023 17:16 utc | 23 @Likklemore | Mar 27 2023 16:27 utc | 13 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 27 2023 17:28 utc | 24 M.K.Bhadrakumar, of Indian Punchline fame, is featured at Consortium News today. Posted by: bevin | Mar 27 2023 17:32 utc | 25 psychohistorian @17–
Connected, for the TV program “Moscow. Kremlin. Putin,” Lavrov was asked,
Lavrov’s answer to the second question is clearly odd, although it does make sense when put into the larger context of Russian/Chinese relations. Paul Greenwood (20). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2023 17:51 utc | 27 “Nukes in Belarus won’t prevent DU” Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2023 17:54 utc | 28 unimperator (11). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Mar 27 2023 17:59 utc | 29 Posted by: bevin | Mar 27 2023 17:32 utc | 24 Posted by: Paco | Mar 27 2023 18:14 utc | 30 It’s too long after and the water’s been intentionally muddied numerous times since but the resulting message and its import would’ve been especially clear at the time. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2023 18:16 utc | 31 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2023 15:25 utc | 3 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 18:16 utc | 32 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 18:20 utc | 33 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 18:20 utc | 33 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 18:23 utc | 34 Lack of training and why it matters … spot the difference Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 18:40 utc | 35 “500 thousand soldiers from North Korea are ready to take part in the hostilities in Ukraine on the side of the Russian Federation, if China approves. This was stated by military commander Alexander Sladkov.” Posted by: unimperator | Mar 27 2023 18:47 utc | 36 The second operative country involved according to Symour Hershs writing about origins of the NS1 and 2 explosions is becoming clearer – Republicofscotland@27…maybe time to fire up the old SPL…..that oughta get some attention…… Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 27 2023 18:55 utc | 38 Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 27 2023 16:54 utc | 17:
You’re absolutely right! Land wise Taiwan is too small, less than 6% of Ukraine’s landmass while population is more than half of Ukies. But why would China tolerate the idea of Chinese land (Taiwan being part of it) being the battle ground? China has developed to the point of projecting formidable offensive forces towards and onto any enemy land, including the sacred mountain top where the self-crowned beacon of humanity resides. Used to be, North America is considered to far and too fortified for Chinese military forces to project, logistically as well as fire power effectively. Not anymore, at least no more than the vice versa scenario of Empire’s projection from Eastern Pacific to SCS. This has been the case for at least the past 5 years, maybe 10. Sustainability of war effort wise, it is hands down in China’s favor, as their industrial output exceeds the West, collectively, and even more modernized. Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2023 19:05 utc | 39 @Paul Greenwood, #19: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2023 19:11 utc | 40 @PaulGreenwood, #20: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2023 19:16 utc | 41 Sorry, my post at #41 was meant in reply to Gottlieb, #21 Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 27 2023 19:18 utc | 42 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 27 2023 18:16 utc | 31 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 27 2023 19:32 utc | 43 Likkelemore @31–
Unfortunately, the item doesn’t mention or link to the media that conducted the interview. The parent article at Ria Novosti does have the link but also places a different emphasis in its article versus the version published by Sputnik, leading with a part that I omitted from above:
Indeed, there’s a big difference in the emphasis given between the two articles. The lead paragraph of the actual interview says, anon2020 @43– see what you get from your John Birch tree: Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 27 2023 20:03 utc | 46 More about the early March meeting between Scholz and Biden. Posted by: grunzt | Mar 27 2023 20:08 utc | 47 so Hungary approves Finland’s NATO membership. Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 27 2023 20:09 utc | 48
What did you expect? Given the current political climate in the West, I find it amazing how strongly Hungary resists the hegemon. It’s a small (approximately ten million) country, landlocked and surrounded by very pro-NATO entities. Posted by: Konami | Mar 27 2023 20:18 utc | 49 Of course Russia will get compensation for Nordstream. Germany does not yet know how it will pay it ! There are 30-Year Pay-or-Take Gas Contracts between Gazprom and German Buying Agencies that Germany believes are invalid “through force majeure” or “MACC” which resolution of culpability will excise. Posted by: Lex | Mar 27 2023 20:26 utc | 50 Typepad prevented me from posting the Patrushev interview, however, it can be read in English here. Patrushev’s commentary on domestic issues within the Outlaw US Empire is very penetrating, for example: De- Dollarisation gaining pace … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 21:36 utc | 52 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 27 2023 20:38 utc | 51 Posted by: Paco | Mar 27 2023 21:49 utc | 53 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 21:36 utc | 52 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 21:56 utc | 54 indian punchline today… relevant to the use of depleted uranium and having missiles in belarus.. Posted by: james | Mar 27 2023 22:00 utc | 55 Crooke’s weekly Strategic Culture essay is one of his best analytical pieces, IMO, “L’Entente Is a Bitter Pill for the West”:
IMO, many of us here at the bar long ago “cast aside” those “old spectacles” to go beyond the tripe of the past. Crooke’s job is to show how the West did it all to itself–again I would add. Importantly, Crooke provides this following citation, the two linked sources I also suggest: Paco | Mar 27 2023 21:49 utc | 53
Optimist. Russia is still fighting for its existencen and you are already busy distributing its opponent’s fur… Posted by: grunzt | Mar 27 2023 22:02 utc | 57 Posted by: grunzt | Mar 27 2023 22:02 utc | 57 Posted by: Paco | Mar 27 2023 22:16 utc | 58 Paco @53– LMAO: Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 27 2023 23:09 utc | 61 On World Dominance and the need to wage war to achieve it, Jeffrey Sachs addresses most of these points on the Duran Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 27 2023 23:17 utc | 62 The Star Diaries and other works by him are available at the link’s parent site. There’s also this official site. AT first glance, he seems very similar to Asimov. Lem was Polish. For those interested in Stanislaw Lem, Memoirs Found in a Bathtub is quite good. He is very funny. He wrote criticism of nonexistent books, Stupidity as the Driving Force of History is one. I guess that book is being written here. Thanks shadowbanned for bringing up Stanislaw Lem! Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 28 2023 0:04 utc | 64 Re. Stanislaw Lem Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Mar 28 2023 0:51 utc | 65 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Mar 28 2023 0:52 utc | 66 Don’t know if this was posted while I was away over the weekend. Zakharova writing on MFA’s Telegram about refugee Ukies, especially children given the Howlers the EU has provided, picked up from Pepe Escobar:
Speaking of Lem; while it’s been around 40 years since I read it, Memoirs Found in a Bathtub was a prescient takedown of the insane culture of secrecy and duplicity in America’s Pentagon. Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 28 2023 1:16 utc | 68
Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 3:24 utc | 70 This is an interesting take. So if there’s proof that the US blew up the pipelines, does/can Germany sue the US for the cost of the take-or-pay contracts? That’s probably less important than the German population and business sector realizing that their best friends stabbed them in the back, but it’s an interesting lawfare angle. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Mar 28 2023 4:01 utc | 71 LoL. You cant make this up: Posted by: Comandante | Mar 28 2023 4:29 utc | 72
Posted by: Raaalph | Mar 28 2023 4:58 utc | 73 “Bakhmut any day now, right boys? Right?” Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 28 2023 5:41 utc | 74 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 27 2023 23:09 utc | 61 Posted by: hopehely | Mar 28 2023 6:05 utc | 75 # 75 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 28 2023 6:10 utc | 76 @karlof1 | Mar 27 2023 22:00 utc | 56
The only ones to be surprised are those who refused to listen when they were told in 2020 this was the case. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 28 2023 6:10 utc | 77 [74] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 28 2023 6:25 utc | 78 Eyre Crow, in a memorandum, expressed the opinion that the British withdrawal from the Mediterranean would have a disastrous effect on Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 28 2023 6:37 utc | 79 FSB is going to have it’s hands full when more people in Russia think deeply about what has happened during last 13 months: Posted by: Membrum Virile | Mar 28 2023 6:37 utc | 80
Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 6:54 utc | 81 #81 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 28 2023 7:02 utc | 82 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 28 2023 6:10 utc | 77 Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 28 2023 7:18 utc | 83 Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 28 2023 7:18 utc | 84 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 28 2023 7:22 utc | 84 So the first German problem is that their head of state consented to it. Posted by: rk | Mar 28 2023 7:32 utc | 85 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 28 2023 7:22 utc | 85 Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 28 2023 7:40 utc | 86 @87 Posted by: MiroslavIlic | Mar 28 2023 7:46 utc | 87 Posted by: MiroslavIlic | Mar 28 2023 7:46 utc | 88 Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 28 2023 7:46 utc | 88 # 86 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 28 2023 7:47 utc | 89
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/39413 Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 8:12 utc | 90
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/50979 Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 8:15 utc | 91
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/39418 Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 8:17 utc | 92 Down south Posted by: Dingo | Mar 28 2023 8:32 utc | 93 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHEqh7qSz70 Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 28 2023 8:49 utc | 94 that should be 06:45. BST can be quite confusing 😉 Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 28 2023 8:51 utc | 95 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 27 2023 19:50 utc | 45 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 28 2023 9:00 utc | 96 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 28 2023 8:32 utc | 94
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65075952.amp Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 9:01 utc | 97
Posted by: Down South | Mar 28 2023 9:05 utc | 98 Posted by: Old Fart Legion | Mar 28 2023 7:40 utc | 87 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 28 2023 9:11 utc | 99 Ukrainian tankers do not want to return home after training in the UK Posted by: unimperator | Mar 28 2023 9:15 utc | 100 |
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