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March 23, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-68
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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For all the poor humans needlessly dying to satisfy Uncle Sam’s hegemonic demon. Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2023 16:43 utc | 1 ISW saying again that Russia running out of precision missiles. Posted by: Truthsayer | Mar 23 2023 16:43 utc | 2
Posted by: Down South | Mar 23 2023 16:50 utc | 3 I was notified this morning by Tik Tok of my account suspension due to me thanking a Ukrainian poster who was lamenting the death and destruction in the Ukraine due to the war; simply expressing my ephemeral gratitude to the Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian people who keep it in power for suffering, dying and sacrificing their country’s cities and infrastructure so I could continue enjoying the fruits of US hegemony. Posted by: ctpalmer | Mar 23 2023 16:52 utc | 4 Re-posted from tail-end of previous thread:
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Comment: I finally had an opportunity to actually read the statement by Vladimir Putin regarding the supply of depleted Uranium ammunition. Unlike some of the more hysterical posters on this forum who were defecating in their women’s underwear, Putin obviously has a more realistic understanding of what Depleted Uranium is. I am also certain that Putin doesn’t wear women’s underwear and that he doesn’t have difficulties with incontinence. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 17:06 utc | 6 🇫🇷🇺🇦France has been training Ukrainian pilots on Mirage 2000 aircraft for a month and a half, – Le Figaro
So more junk, may get donated to State Museums, Airbase Guards, oh, & Ukraine too.
Posted by: ctpalmer | Mar 23 2023 16:52 utc | 4 Posted by: Colin | Mar 23 2023 17:22 utc | 8 Don Firineach@1 Posted by: bevin | Mar 23 2023 17:26 utc | 9 Another Weekly MFA Briefing presented by Maria Zakharova has two long sections about Ukraine of which I provide the first. I should also mention there’s a portion devoted to MH-17 developments and the observance of two notorious anniversaries–Opening of Dachau in 1933 and the 1999 NATO Aggressive War against Serbia. There’s also a long section devoted to “On the discriminatory nature of the current global monetary and financial system.” I should also add the transcript isn’t complete, but the video is available at the above link.
I’ll look for the additional discussion that’s noted above. Russia is doomed … doomed …
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Hm, single axis of advance, concentration of massed troops, narrow frontage, limited traffic-ability. Marvelous.
They are not running out but they are also not using them as they should be. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 17:41 utc | 12 Truthsayer | Mar 23 2023 16:43 utc | 2 …run out of precision missiles…
On the far side, exactly one year ago, BBC spread the news that “Russian forces have 3 days of food and ammunition left”. Sic. Posted by: OttoE | Mar 23 2023 17:44 utc | 13
Well, it returned to Kherson “forever” too, and then left. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 17:45 utc | 14
Laugh at it, but Finland just got into NATO. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 17:54 utc | 15 The tide is going out. . . Posted by: Elmagnostic | Mar 23 2023 18:01 utc | 16 Senior US military officers believe Ukraine has no chance of winning… Posted by: Dferg | Mar 23 2023 18:04 utc | 17 @ Dferg | Mar 23 2023 18:04 utc | 17
Au contraire, will laugh at it & all your posts, huge belly-laugh uproarious guffaws! If you think Finland abandoning its faux neutrality to join derelict NATO given the length of it’s border with RF, it’s population size & state of it’s military, as former territories of the then Russian Empire for over a century, is a great strategy, you’re an even bigger fool than you are a Troll. elmer fudd and his one horse talky point. Even the usa NIH has spoken that DU offers increased cancers and kidney problems, you can quote the BBC or Royal Hospital or any other government funded organisation , like any science today they give user pays results. trust us DDT is safe , trust us agent orange is safe , trust us thalidamide is safe, trust us mRna injections are safe, trust us DU is safe, sorry the empire of lies is talking in you, and after reading dozens of posts all trying the same wedge , i have to say enough. My view is why not contaminate the great food bowl of Europe agricultural land Blackrock and co. are about to lose, Then no one can export from it because suddenly your harmless radiation will be deemed harmful and become the reason to quarantine grain sales from this area. Posted by: hankster | Mar 23 2023 18:25 utc | 19 Double envelopments are a new thing, didn’t really see it good before. Now it looks like it forces supply routes to go closer to fire control zones at minimal territorial control necessary. Bahkmut is showing clearly now in the city itself. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 23 2023 18:26 utc | 20 Such a marvelous display of strategy… Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 23 2023 18:33 utc | 22 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 17:54 utc | 15 Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Mar 23 2023 18:37 utc | 23 Dugin has a piece up about the Russia/Chinese relationship, and how their different perspectives and interests keep one from dominating the other outright.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 23 2023 18:39 utc | 24
This is just imbecilic. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 18:41 utc | 25 @ Neofeudalfuture | Mar 23 2023 18:26 utc | 20 Posted by: ctiger | Mar 23 2023 18:42 utc | 26 Scholz received instructions in Washington to cover up the Nord Stream blast! Posted by: mo3 | Mar 23 2023 18:58 utc | 27 @ ctiger | Mar 23 2023 18:42 utc | 26 @ Dferg, §17: Posted by: John Marks | Mar 23 2023 19:06 utc | 29 Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 17:06 utc | 6 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 23 2023 19:10 utc | 30 Re: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 17:06 utc | 6 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 23 2023 19:10 utc | 31 About that depleted Uranium. Posted by: Mar man | Mar 23 2023 19:11 utc | 32 Plutonium is a pure alpha emitter, your skin will shield you from Alpha particle radiation. My guess is that depleted uranium is about the same. The problem is when it gets inside you which it will when it’s vaporized which it will be when shells hit. Once inside it causes Cancers and other mutations including the cells that become children. Tritium T3O is a low energy Beta emitter and requires minimal shielding but since it’s a form of water you don’t want it inside you, more Cancer and mutations. Besides when you add T3O to an atomic bomb it becomes a hydrogen bomb with exponential greater energy. Works well for runway lights in remote areas too. I don’t believe that you could be more evil than the USA and neither did MLK. Posted by: Bob | Mar 23 2023 19:15 utc | 33 @ John Marks | Mar 23 2023 19:06 utc | 29
shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 17:54 utc | 15 Posted by: paddy | Mar 23 2023 19:23 utc | 35 Posted by: Bob | Mar 23 2023 19:15 utc | 33 Posted by: Verdant | Mar 23 2023 19:28 utc | 36 Dferg | Mar 23 2023 18:04 utc | 17 Posted by: paddy | Mar 23 2023 19:39 utc | 38 U235,pu238 and pu239 are primarily alpha emitters so the radiation danger from them is similar, despite the different specific activity of each. Posted by: mi | Mar 23 2023 19:50 utc | 39 Re Hankster, #19. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 19:52 utc | 40 280 Membrum Virile Posted by: NJH | Mar 23 2023 19:57 utc | 41 Re: Verdant | Mar 23 2023 19:28 utc | 36 and Bob | Mar 23 2023 19:15 utc | 33 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 23 2023 20:06 utc | 42 My God some people on this forum are impervious to facts and information. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 20:08 utc | 43 @ Bob | Mar 23 2023 19:15 utc | 33 Posted by: anon1 | Mar 23 2023 20:11 utc | 44 Re: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 20:08 utc | 43 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 23 2023 20:13 utc | 45 @ mo3 | Mar 23 2023 18:58 utc | 27 Posted by: james | Mar 23 2023 20:16 utc | 46 “…Laugh at it, but Finland just got into NATO…” shadowbanned@15 Posted by: bevin | Mar 23 2023 20:17 utc | 47 Posted by: ctpalmer | Mar 23 2023 16:52 utc | 4 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 23 2023 20:24 utc | 49 Umpteenth request to STOP RESPONDING TO THE FUCKING CONCERN TROLL!! YOU ARE WHY HE IS HERE! GET A FUCKING CLUE!
Larry then goes on to discuss the likelihood of Ukraine being successful at this alleged “relief operation” (we can’t call it an “offensive”). Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 23 2023 20:28 utc | 50 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 18:41 utc | 25 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 20:29 utc | 51 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 20:29 utc | 50 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 23 2023 20:32 utc | 52 Translated:
Abolish Ukrainian veterans benefits ? That’s gonna be great for morale at the Home Front & those in uniform. Corrupt OUN-B Nazi Killer Clowns. I have seen some bone-headed moves in my day, but Finland trying to join NATO takes the cake. Don’t they know that a big part of why the Ukrainians are going to be missing generations of men is because they tried to join NATO???!? Is Finland somehow jealous of what Ukraine has done to themselves and wants some of that on their previously sovereign land. I don’t get it man. Just pure-ty foolishness. Posted by: LGB! | Mar 23 2023 20:35 utc | 54 Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 20:08 utc | 43
Given you seem short a few, may I suggest that you capture them and make use of them? Posted by: Lengai | Mar 23 2023 20:40 utc | 55 DU munitions are still widespread in U.S and U.K arsenals….most of the tonnage of DU munitions where in the form of automatic cannon in Iraq and the former Yugoslavia….20mm….25mm..30mm and when these penetrator sub calibre projectiles hit they cause aerosolization from impact and incendiary effects. But there are two distinct harmful effects from this toxic dust… radiological and chemical…. radioactive harm from alpha particles ingested or toxicity from this toxic heavy metal. During investigation into Gulf war syndrome…very specific studies from areas where DU munitions where used showed very substantial increases in overall mortality and congenital birth defects…very substantial increases in chromosome abnormalities in Bosnia and Kosovo. Now even though there is no specific ban on DU munitions because they kill by kinetic energy and not residual effects…there have been several attempts to address the environmental effects of these weapons… several nations have introduced bans on DU munitions and composite armour using this material. Regardless…I’m sure U.S would shit a chicken if someone dispersed these aerosolized DU byproduct over the continental united States. The current users of DU would also be setting themselves up for liability for damages done to foreign lands because of their usage of these weapons if they where to sign up for prohibition citing current and past studies. Just another poke of the Bear on the part of those shit eaters hunkered down behind the impenetrable wall of the English channel. This may have had historical relevance in days gone by but these are different times Posted by: Joe | Mar 23 2023 20:41 utc | 56 “As of today, the enemy has deployed more than 80,000 [servicemen] around Bakhmut…” -Prigozhin Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Mar 23 2023 20:53 utc | 57 In addition to the self sharpening properies, DU is pyrophoric, the outer layer, molecularly speaking, is uranium oxide because it is already in contact with the oxygen in the air. When it hits a target and some of the outer layer peels off and turns into dust, some/most of the dust is the pure uranium that was beneath that outer layer. That pure uranium dust immediately reacts with the oxygen in the air and in the process of becoming uranium oxide it reaches several thousand degrees. So as that DU dart passes through a tank it will incinerate everything inside of it because of the dust generation that is occurring. Posted by: J | Mar 23 2023 20:55 utc | 58 Spend your valuable time on these and NOT on RESPONDING TO THE FUCKING CONCERN TROLL. Posted by: Drinky Crow | Mar 23 2023 21:00 utc | 59 So the 3BM-32 Vant, used in Chechnya and Georgia used a special DU penetrator that helped fertilise the soil? The decision to supply the Ukrainians with these rounds was to stop embarrassing headlines about Challenger 2’s being unable to penetrate modern Russian MBT’s, from the frontal arc. Not evidence of the Wests desire to irradiate Ukraine; after all, 14 Challenger 2’s with life expectancies measured in days are going to be hard pressed to have any meaningful effect on the environment. Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 21:03 utc | 60
I can’t believe what I am reading. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 21:03 utc | 61
What is the predictive track record of “these” over the last 14 months, and what is the track record of the “concern trolls”? Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 21:05 utc | 62 Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Mar 23 2023 20:53 utc | 56 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 21:17 utc | 63 Maybe Prigozhin wants to say that now Russia has to apply nuclear weapons? Posted by: somat | Mar 23 2023 21:18 utc | 64
Posted by: ctpalmer | Mar 23 2023 16:52 utc | 4 Posted by: joey_n | Mar 23 2023 21:18 utc | 65 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 21:03 utc | 59 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 21:20 utc | 66 Depleted Uranium .. as dust. Posted by: T S | Mar 23 2023 21:26 utc | 67 Posted by: somat | Mar 23 2023 21:18 utc | 62 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 21:27 utc | 68 Posted by: Milites | Mar 23 2023 21:27 utc | 66 Posted by: Drinky Crow | Mar 23 2023 21:39 utc | 69 @ shadowbanned Posted by: natokraine | Mar 23 2023 21:43 utc | 70 The numerous US war crimes in Iraq include the use of uranium weapons (not just DU but also enriched uranium was detected) Posted by: Pandora | Mar 23 2023 21:46 utc | 71 Posted by: james | Mar 23 2023 20:16 utc | 45 Posted by: Jx | Mar 23 2023 21:47 utc | 72 Posted by: natokraine | Mar 23 2023 21:43 utc | 68 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2023 21:50 utc | 73 23 March
Could this provide artillery target support? Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 23 2023 21:56 utc | 74 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2023 21:50 utc | 70 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 23 2023 21:57 utc | 75 Today, Military Summary said that 80,000 Ukrainian troops are DEFINITELY going to storm Bakhmut in the very near future. This is a new low for him. He’s living in a fantasy world. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 23 2023 22:00 utc | 76 One has to wonder at Russia’s inability to interdict mobile forces and equipment amassed at staging points. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Mar 23 2023 22:08 utc | 77 Following up on my Russian military budget article, I saw that the historical Russian budget with its 10% annual spending increases, was suddenly Grover Norquisted down 50% for 2023 according to Novaya Gazeta. From nearly 50 trillion Rubles in 2021, to 31.1 trillion in 2023. Hmm. https://aaronlee.substack.com/p/current-stated-budget-of-russian Lengair, post #54. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 22:12 utc | 79 Aircraft can’t be used due to stacked air defences Posted by: NoName | Mar 23 2023 22:17 utc | 80 Hopefully; folks can understand scientific notation. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 23 2023 22:21 utc | 81 Some DU factoids Posted by: olaf22 | Mar 23 2023 22:31 utc | 82 perfectly safe ? Posted by: duggie | Mar 23 2023 22:45 utc | 83 heck, this schowbanned troll is really annoying, do like me avoid him Posted by: A.cagliostro | Mar 23 2023 22:47 utc | 84 @bevan #9 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2023 22:48 utc | 85 Posted by: NoName | Mar 23 2023 22:17 utc | 77 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 23 2023 22:51 utc | 86
Reaper drones are just as useless as ground attack aircraft, even worse in fact — they are slower and with fewer active defenses. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 23 2023 22:56 utc | 87 Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 23 2023 22:00 utc | 73 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 23 2023 22:57 utc | 88 Posted by: sln2002 | Mar 23 2023 21:56 utc | 71 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 23 2023 23:01 utc | 89 @ T S | Mar 23 2023 21:26 utc | 65 Posted by: whirlX | Mar 23 2023 23:02 utc | 90 Wall Street has started to alert its denizens that Ukraine might just be having a little trouble finding bodies for the meat grinder. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 23 2023 23:02 utc | 91 Posted by: Drinky Crow | Mar 23 2023 21:00 utc | 57 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 23 2023 23:04 utc | 92 America then would not have Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 23 2023 23:07 utc | 93 Worth watching: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 23 2023 23:09 utc | 94 @bevan #9 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 23 2023 23:13 utc | 95 ^^^By “compounds” I just meant nuclear power plants, not combinations of substances. Wanted that to be clear since someone made the thread all science-y and stuff. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 23 2023 23:16 utc | 96 Which means everyone who responds to this asshole is an asshole. Posted by: Drinky Crow | Mar 23 2023 23:20 utc | 97 Which means everyone who responds to this asshole is an asshole. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 23 2023 23:22 utc | 98 Hey Prof. Dr. Dr. General shadowbanned, why don’t you start your own substack? People who are interested in your excellence of military strategy could subscribe then… Posted by: Zet | Mar 23 2023 23:27 utc | 99 @ LightYearsFromHome | Mar 23 2023 23:09 utc | 91
So that’s an increase from the current 800/yr T-90s to 1,500/yr apparently.
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