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March 22, 2023

Ukraine Open Thread 2023-67

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China's harsh message to the USA.

“The U.S does not want peace, the U.S is sending Ukraine weapons for more war"


Posted by: Dave Oneil | Mar 22 2023 16:14 utc | 1

So from what I can see on TG, the Nazis are trying a hail mary counter offensive. I don't see that going well for them. Bye bye supply lines. They'd be smarter to surrender en masse and give the west the one finger salute.

Posted by: Watzov | Mar 22 2023 16:29 utc | 2

Just missed the new thread so I repost:

Here you guys have a good one reading the letter that Prigozhin sent to no other than secretary Blinken, a business proposal so the illustrious secretary stops wasting the US tax payers money with his failed policies. Enjoy.

PS. the first page is in Russian the second one the translation in English.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:30 utc | 335

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3

I did a huge data trawl of Russian military spending, sourced from SIPRI, the World Bank, Rostat, OECD, the Russian MOD, MOF, and other reputable sources. I determined it's quite possible their spending trends indicate more military funding than the USA in 2023. It's about 8600 words and has over 90 sources.

How Russia's Military Came To Outspend The United States

Posted by: Aaron Lee | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 4

From an uninformed/unscientific mind: we're told that the depleted uranium rounds are known to cause many residual health problems, that military transporting these rounds also experienced cancer, and yet the oh so advanced U.S. tanks use depleted uranium as part of their armor. Does this suggest that the crews of these tanks are exposed to health risks, or those transporting the tanks are as well? Doesn't seem to track, and we're told these new designs are not being sent because of the secret design components. More propagandist obsfucation?

Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5

Pasco @ 3
Thanks Paco thats absalutly brilliant! Made my day.
When he mentions America I presume he means both north and south.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 16:45 utc | 6

Paco not Pasco dammed autocorrect

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 16:47 utc | 7

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3

tiny text is too small to read, how do you enlarge the image? Is that function only available to TG subscribers?

#6 America typically means USA. Americas would be all of America, but don't quote me on that lol.

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8

China responds to US' spox Kirby with some blunt words:

China gives US advice on Ukraine

It’s time for Washington to reconsider its stance on the conflict between Moscow and Kiev, Beijing says

The US should stop “fanning the flames”  of the conflict in Ukraine instead of making accusations against Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin has said.

During a briefing on Wednesday, Wang responded to a statement by US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby, who said the previous day that he didn’t think  “you can reasonably look at China as impartial in any way”  when it comes to the fighting between Moscow and Kiev.

Beijing has failed to condemn Russia’s military operation, while continuing to buy energy from the country, he stated. Chinese President Xi Jinping “saw fit to fly all the way to Moscow” this week, but has never even talked on the phone to his Ukrainian counterpart Vladimir Zelensky, Kirby added.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman rejected Kirby’s claims, stating that the US was itself too deeply involved in the conflict in Ukraine to accuse Beijing of being biased.

The US side claims that China's stance isn’t impartial. But is it impartial to continuously supply weapons to the battlefield? Is it impartial to constantly escalate the conflict? Is it impartial to allow the effects of the crisis to spill over globally?”  Wang said, referring to the Biden administration’s policies.

“We advise the American side to rethink its own stance on the Ukraine issue, turn away from the erroneous path of adding fuel to the fire, and stop shifting the blame to China,” he said

Beijing has “no selfish motives on the Ukraine issue, has not stood idly by... or sought profit for itself,” the spokesman insisted. “What China has done boils down to one thing, that is, to promote peace talks.”

As for Xi’s trip to the Russian capital, which took place between Monday and Wednesday, Wang pointed out that this was “a journey of friendship, cooperation and peace, which has aroused positive responses in the international community.”[.]

(bold emphasis added in text)


The Chinese peace initiative by US' "rules-order" is a non-starter for the warmongers. On the battlefield RF forces will do the talking as US
Monkeys, sitting on a dry twig, fold their two front feet, hear nuting.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 16:59 utc | 9

Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5

This document 'The health hazards of depleted uranium munitions' document 2001 has quite a detailed analysis of Uranium toxicity.
Basically seems to support evidence Alpha radiation from Depleted Uranium and compounds lodged long term in tissues like lungs and even short term non-lethal doses can cause DNA damage leading to cancers and birth defects.

Posted by: Iain | Mar 22 2023 17:01 utc | 10

This sick US enabled catastrophe is going to end one way only.
What are the west going to do then?
Cutting themselves off from resources and market's due to hubris and reality dysfunction.
No sanction cards to play.
What happens?
Bar a lot us here are going to be impoverished big time on a few different levels.

Posted by: jpc | Mar 22 2023 17:03 utc | 11

@Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5
From an uninformed/unscientific mind: we're told that the depleted uranium rounds are known to cause many residual health problems, that military transporting these rounds also experienced cancer, and yet the oh so advanced U.S. tanks use depleted uranium as part of their armor. Does this suggest that the crews of these tanks are exposed to health risks, or those transporting the tanks are as well? Doesn't seem to track.

The United States and other countries perpetuate imperialism by deploying depleted uranium without fully considering its long-term impact on the troops or on local communities. They just don't give a damn -- that "tracks."

from the web:
>The two primary health concerns related to DU exposure are radiation and heavy metal toxicity. Radiation - since DU is less radioactive than naturally occurring uranium, this should not be a significant source of concern. Heavy metal toxicity - The first organs of concern are the kidneys.
> If a soldier accidentally breathes in or ingests depleted uranium, they may deal with long-term health problems. In addition, Veterans who suffer wounds from DU shrapnel may also end up suffering from similar conditions, primarily with kidney problems.
>Serving in the armed forces leads to potential exposure to dangerous substances. Veterans who were deployed to missions in the Persian Gulf, Bosnia, and Eastern Europe may have been exposed to depleted uranium. This byproduct of uranium enrichment was used in military vehicles and weaponry.
>Today, the Department of Defense (DOD) released the DOD Annual Report on Suicide in the Military: Calendar Year (CY) 2021, providing annual suicide data and outlining Calendar Year 2021 efforts to address and prevent suicide across the DOD. According to the report, in CY 2021, 519 Service members died by suicide with young, enlisted male Service members found to be at greatest risk.
>In 2020, there were 6,146 Veteran suicides, which averages to 16.8 Veterans dying by suicide every day. Additionally, in the two decades between 2001 and 2020, the prevalence of mental health or substance use disorder (SUD) among participants using Veterans Health Administration (VHA) rose from 27.9% to 41.9%.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2023 17:11 utc | 12

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3

Hilarious, and true!

Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5


“... In recent years, 366 Italian military personnel have died, and 7,500 have taken sick with conditions potentially linked to depleted uranium, prompting courts in Italy to demand compensation, despite denials from military officials that any link existed. ...”

Should we now refer to depleted uranium by the more evocative title Albright’s Kiss?

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 22 2023 17:12 utc | 13

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8

Here’s the text of Prigozhin‘s letter:

Dear Mr. Secretary,

We see that today, taking advantage of the preoccupation of the Wagner PMC with the Ukrainian maters, the administrations of the United States and other countries are actively trying to reshape the "African pie" and impose sanctions on anyone who opposes you in this. However, I want to draw your attention to the fact that the long-term attempts of the United States and its satellites to "restore order" and ensure security in Africa have not bore any fruit.

Back in 2017-2018, when me and the Wagner PMC started actively operating in Africa, we managed to achieve great results in establishing security and order in every country we have been present in. Therefore, I invite you to support Wagner PC's efforts in ensuring safety and security in Africa by sponsoring a new project named «Wagner. Safe Africa» (WSA), in which you can invest, thereby saving American taxpayer money. We are doing this way more efficiently than American proxies, who get payed large amounts of money but don't provide security in Africa. Every single Wagner PMC project was financed by me as a private entity and was distinguished by the high efficiency of each invested dollar.

Since most Africans do not trust the policies of France and the United States, and their trust ratings are very low, I suggest that you abandon the attempt to exert political influence in Africa and focus solely on the security that the Wagner PMC can provide. In case the joint project WSA proves successful, I suggest we expand it to the American continent. Furthermore, in the case of fruitful cooperation we can expand our area of influence and launch projects WSA-2 (Wagner. Safe America), WSA-3 (Wagner. Safe Asia), WSA-4 (Wagner. Safe Australia), and WSA-5 (Wagner. Safe Antarctica).

Please send your representative to discuss this issue.

Best regards,

Y.V. Prigozhin

Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 18:26 utc | 14

@Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5

Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2023 18:30 utc | 15

Just in:

"The International Monetary Fund, the global lender of last resort, has agreed a package of support for Ukraine of $15.6bn (£12.8bn)."

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 22 2023 18:37 utc | 16

Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2023 18:30 utc | 11

All forgotten!
Conveniently by the msm this time.

Posted by: jpc | Mar 22 2023 18:39 utc | 17

Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc

Camp Lejune had toxic water issues for 30+ years; Agent Orange is still ravaging soldiers who served in Vietnam. Please show me a history of our military caring about the long term health effects of weapons it uses.

Posted by: JMC | Mar 22 2023 18:43 utc | 18


I read your interesting article when you posted the link over at Simplicius substack but couldn't get the link you posted here to work.

I can think of a number of reasons that Russia might wish to obfuscate their real economic numbers.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 22 2023 18:45 utc | 19

DU munitions, if they go that way Russia will provide us with REAL uranium says Lukashenko. If they follow the madness path and use that type of munition the answer is going to be fearsome.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 18:51 utc | 20

@Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5

Large pieces of depleted Uranium don't cause as much of a problem because human skin blocks enough of the radiation from it. The larger problems occur when small pieces enter the body, such as through a wound, inhailing it, or in food or drink. Of course, the armor and ammunition are very likely to fragment when used in battle. It also disolves in the ground, and the radioactive elements are absorbed into water and agricultural products.

Would you volenter to have your children sit in a depleted uranium armored tank while an enemy fires depleted uranium ammunition at it? Would you want to eat food grown at that spot after the battle?

What's the half-life of depleted Uranium? (I'm not sure which isotopes are most common in it.)

Posted by: barstool | Mar 22 2023 18:53 utc | 21

Posted by: nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8

"CTRL +" (bigger) "CTRL -" (smaller) works for me.

Posted by: lux | Mar 22 2023 18:57 utc | 22

17 - not that hard to find. Ur238 4.468 billion years
Alpha particles. Don't travel far, but if in vivo - they pack a wallop.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 22 2023 19:02 utc | 23

(May 31, 2019) ROME — Italian military personnel who develop diseases they believe are linked to depleted uranium exposure will find it easier to win compensation under new rules proposed by Italy’s defense minister.
In recent years, 366 Italian military personnel have died, and 7,500 have taken sick with conditions potentially linked to depleted uranium, prompting courts in Italy to demand compensation, despite denials from military officials that any link existed. ...

Depleted uranium = Albright’s Kiss?

Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 22 2023 19:08 utc | 24

@17 barstool

Correct, the depleted uranium metal itself is far less dangerous to life than the aerosols produced when the DU munitions catch fire and burn upon impact, as they are intended to do.

DU used in weapons consists largely of the non fissile isotope U238, but contains contaminants such as isotopes of plutonium. If I remember correctly, the half life of U238 is somewhat over 4 billion years. This is approximately the age of the sun.

Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 19:11 utc | 25

I was once speaking with a guy who was providing security at an event. It came up that he was in the army for a long time. Yugoslavia came up and I asked about DU. He said none of them would go near anything that was blown up with DU weapons. It was an odd conversation. He was very forthcoming about that and other stuff. I don't know if he was telling me the truth, but he was quite aware of the dangers of the inhalation of exploded DU weapons particulate.

Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 22 2023 19:15 utc | 26

I’m following the Russian reactions to the ICC arrest warrants agains Putin and Lvova-Belova.
They reveal ignorance of the ICC mandate and certain arrogance because they are simply dismissive, without a single argument.

The Russian reactions show outrage, which can be understandable, but lack any relevant argument.

Showing lack of knowledge about the ICC and the crimes that your head of state is charged with is irresponsible, to say the least, and will not impress other states which have officials tasked with detailed knowledge about the ICC, the crimes in its jurisdiction, how it operates, its jurisprudence, cases etc.

The Russian reactions boil down to:
a) we don’t care because we are not a party to the Rome Statute
b) heads of state have immunity from ICC prosecution (wrong, as I wrote in a post a couple of days ago)
c) how about the others who were never charged
Newest example is Zakharova pointing to US removing children during the Vietnam war, and asking when the US officials will be charged for that.They can’t be, because the ICC has jurisdiction over crimes committed after its Statute came into force- 1 July 2002.
b) the prosecutor and the judges “were paid” to issue the warrants and the prosecutor is doing the West’s bidding.
Such assertions should be accompanied by some proof, as a matter of principle and because the world is entitled to see such evidence, if it exists.

The consequences of the ICC arrest warrants are a serious matter and should be treated as such. Most states are party to the Rome Statute (130).

Instead of emphasising that others were not charged (mainly US officials), and that others should be charged (mainly the US and the UK officials), which is certainly true, Russia would do better to address why its officials should not be charged.

That requires knowing the elements of the crimes of deportation and forcible transfer which hing on removing persons (children) from the area where they are lawfully residing against their will, by force or coercion. It’s the forced removal that is critical.

The Russian state Prosecutor has announced he is considering charging the ICC Prosecutor with a crime under Russian law - knowingly indicting an innocent person. That is very interesting. He, or others, could, therefore, address the critical issue - were the children removed against their will, by force or coercion (coercive circumstances, such as armed conflict).

I believe that the ICC arrest warrants for the crimes of deportation of children from “occupied territories” (Donbas and Lugansk) are an abuse of the law, but my opinion is utterly irrelevant.

It is up to Russian officials to state before the world, and show, if they can, that the children were not taken against their will, because that is what it is about.

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 27

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 22 2023 18:37 utc | 12

the US is using all its tools, the ICC, IMF, to double down on its project to take Russia apart. I feel like an observer in the period just before World War 1. or better like I felt in the runup to Iraq, except Iraq didn't have nukes. The US is getting progressively more reckless.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:20 utc | 28

Guys, Marty from Amerika said du is ok and he's an expert.
Question on his blog comments at " A Picture Worth A Thousand Words": How much of an escalation is depleted uranium to 404? His answer: Not much realistically.
He has 5 likes!

In 2025 he'll post somethink like this: "it's just a small one. I am on the record! they'll rebuild the city at a safe distance"

Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2023 19:22 utc | 29

A lot of negative videos began to appear against the authorities due to corruption, theft, nepotism, bureaucratic lawlessness, and so on.

Therefore, the authorities urgently need:
1. Shift the focus to the evil Russians. Today again there was a strange, single shelling of a residential building with victims (the results of the investigation will always point to the Russian trail, even though there will be a missile from Western air defense, etc.). The war is going on dirty and the life of Ukrainians has depreciated.
2. Demonstrate the heroism of the first (Zelensky). Today's trip to Donbass and previous ones.
3. Zelensky's return closer to the people (today's video from the gas station). We are waiting for the trip to the people ...
4. Discrediting the opposition (arrests, stuffing, deportation of manual activists, etc.).
5. Intimidation of dissenters
6. Ban on any freedom of speech and so on. (They tighten the screws on social networks, forbid writing the truth about the situation in the army, corruption, etc.).

Ze/Yermak is trying in every possible way to retain power, slipping the Ukrainians the illusion that everything is fine. It looks something like this: "The authorities live with the people on $1 a day, there is no corruption and nepotism, there are no problems in the army, everything is cool around"!

You look so soon you will wake up in the worst parody of the "scoop".

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 19:23 utc | 30

@JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26

It is up to Russian officials to state before the world, and show, if they can, that the children were not taken against their will, because that is what it is about.
No, it is up to the accuser to provide evidence of any crime. ICC is completely discredited as it sees only what it wants to see.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 22 2023 19:24 utc | 31

Colleagues, Zelensky is not in Bakhmut, but in the Bakhmutovsky direction.

Our source insider says that the meeting took place in an "abandoned" hangar in Konstantinovka.

Yes, this is a response to Putin's trip to Mariupol, and yes, this is an attempt to convey a public message that Bakhmut will be kept sparing no effort and means. Most likely, he personally came to the headquarters, where he confirmed the sending of additional reserves to the Bakhmut meat grinder, since a boiler was planned there.

The price is not important for the President, the "fortress Bakhmut" will stand - the source quotes conversations that are held at meetings in the Office of the President.

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 19:25 utc | 32

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26

The Russians need to show the whole world the results of bombing by Ukrainian artillery from Avdeevka. They also need to show the thousands of petal mines sown all across Donbass province, then a list of people, especially children that have been killed over time. They do have such a list and have also made a separate documentary. Then they simply need to state that ICC is advocating Ukrainian war crimes for killing children in Donbass.

We know Zelensky or any other puppet won't ever put in charge, but that will be the end of it. And ring a bell, even if not in the west but global south.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 19:25 utc | 33

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26

oh so Russia bears the burden of proving it is innocent before a corrupt judiciary. right, i wonder how that process will work out.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:27 utc | 34

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3

Here you guys have a good one reading the letter that Prigozhin sent to no other than secretary Blinken, a business proposal so the illustrious secretary stops wasting the US tax payers money with his failed policies. Enjoy.

PS. the first page is in Russian the second one the translation in English.

Does anyone here have a way to copy the English version? I think it's both hilarious and hard-hitting and would like to send it out to many of my friends.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 22 2023 19:28 utc | 35

Article in " the Independent" 📰newspaper on the consequences of the use of depleted uranium projectiles in Iraq

"A study titled Cancer, Infant Mortality, and Sex Ratio at Birth in Fallujah, Iraq, 2005–2009" by Dr. Busby, Malak Hamdan, and Entesar Ariabi concludes that anecdotal evidence of a sharp rise in rates of cancer and congenital malformations is correct. Infant mortality was 80 per 1,000 births, compared with 19 in Egypt, 17 in Jordan, and 9.7 in Kuwait. The report says the types of cancer are "similar to those of Hiroshima survivors, exposed to ionizing radiation from the bomb and uranium in fallout."

The researchers found a 38-fold increase in leukemia, a tenfold increase in breast cancer in women, and a significant increase in lymphoma and brain tumors in adults. In Hiroshima, leukemia increased 17-fold among survivors, but in Fallujah, according to Dr. Busby, what is striking is not only the high prevalence of cancer, but also the speed with which it affects people.

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 19:30 utc | 36

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 22 2023 19:24 utc | 30

The principle is - the one who accuses must prove the accusations. So, you are right.
BUT, the Russians are addressing the warrants, in the way I list in my post.
They have announced that they will hold a UN SC session about the children, because it is "overblown".
So, they intend to show something. If they want to be to the point, they need to show that the children were not forced to leave. That is what I am saying.

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:32 utc | 37

The journalist of Komsomolskaya Pravda suggests that Russia may give 'a sniff of nuclear dust to the Anglo-Saxons' themselves (at the very end of this article)

From "uranium" shells, Ukraine will turn into an uninhabited moon: What kind of ammunition is this and why are they so terrible
Why does Britain promise radioactive munitions to Kiev, and who will risk buying Ukrainian grain and swimming in the Dnieper after that?

March 21, Deputy British Defense Secretary Annabelle Goldie said that "in addition to the Challenger battle tank squadron, her country will transfer depleted uranium shells to Ukraine."

What is this ammo? And why are they so scary?

Let's try to answer in order.

1. Why do the British need it?

There are two goals here. Political - another demonstration of London's support for the Ukrainian regime. Kyiv was "offended" by the British that they were giving him "too few tanks." And in order to wash off such claims, the British decided to compensate for a small number of their Challengers by supplying depleted uranium shells to them. And this is the second goal - military-technical.

An alloy of depleted uranium with titanium is superstrong. Such shells are capable of penetrating meter-thick armor. They don't even have explosives. The projectile simply hits the crew and ammunition inside the tank with shrapnel. Moreover, such ammunition is cheaper than tungsten, which is used by Russia and other countries for their tank sub-caliber shells.

There is, however, another important point. Recently, the Russian command has been increasing the dynamic protection of tanks (additional "boxes" with explosives are superimposed on the armor, which do not allow a conventional projectile to pierce the armor). It cannot be ruled out that Kiev itself, for this reason, asked London for uranium shells.

2. What is the danger of such ammunition?

In its normal state, such a shell does not have much radioactive radiation (although even tankers dealing with uranium shells complain of fatigue, and after 10-15 years they begin to develop cancer). But in the event of an explosion, a uranium warhead is very toxic. Fine dust is formed, which enters the respiratory tract of a person, onto the ground, into the water. There is a dispersion of small particles of this infection over large areas. With a strong wind, such deadly dust can be carried for tens and hundreds of kilometers. It cannot be deactivated.

Uranium dust is deadly not only for the soldiers of both warring parties (after all, the Challengers will also explode in the battle formations of the Ukrainian army), but also for the local population. Studies that were conducted in the United States showed that where the Americans used these munitions, oncological diseases increased by about 6 times. Scientists say that the half-life of uranium reaches 4.5 billion (!!!) years. Therefore, the land covered with uranium dust becomes unsuitable for growing grains and vegetables - they become poisonous. And here we can assume that after the use of British uranium munitions in Ukraine, it is unlikely that there will be buyers of its contaminated agricultural products in the world.

3. Where have they already been used?

This was during the US military operations in Yugoslavia and Iraq. By the way, just these days - March 24 - the anniversary of the start of the bombing of Yugoslavia (in 1999). As you can see, the Anglo-Saxons did not hesitate to announce the preparation of a new "uranium atrocity" on the date of their previous crime.

Why did they have to use such a “dirty weapon”? In order to destroy as much of the enemy’s military equipment as possible and infect as many of his troops as possible. And at the same time - and "etch" the local population.

4. What were the consequences?

In Yugoslavia, for example, more than 10,000 people who swallowed uranium dust have already died of cancer. And about 30 thousand more suffer from severe oncological diseases.

Even worse are the consequences in Iraq. There, after the American military operation with the use of tank shells with depleted uranium, more than 400 thousand people died from oncology. And more than a million suffer from it.

One of the American journalists, who was filming a documentary about the consequences of the use of uranium munitions in Iraq, refused to show the audience the terrible deformities that Iraqis were born and live with, who fell victim to toxic dust.

5. What could be the scope of infection in Ukraine?

If combat depleted uranium is used,

the world's best "fat" chernozems of Ukraine and the South of Russia will turn into poisoned fields. Who will grow wheat, sunflower, potatoes, tomatoes, watermelons on the contaminated land? Only suicide.

How can you not think that the British with their uranium shells are bringing famine to Ukraine? The already miserable Kyiv treasury is being deprived of the last income from grain exports. Apparently, in London and Kyiv they have already said goodbye, since they are ready for this?

And what if uranium dust gets into the Dnieper and other rivers? If contaminated water floats through them into the Black Sea? Then all the Black Sea countries will drown in grief.

I myself often remember my childhood in the Kharkiv region, when I liked to walk with the boys in the spacious fields and look at the collective farm melons, where the ancient watchman - grandfather Gaidash - treated us to savory kavuns and melons. Today's and future boys on that land may no longer have such luxury.

6. Why do the Anglo-Saxons get away with everything?

Indeed, it was the Anglo-Saxons who dropped atomic bombs on Japan, and then uranium bombs on Yugoslavia and fired uranium shells in Iraq ... No one else risked such crimes against humanity, although uranium ammunition is in the warehouses of many leading military powers.

By the way, Japan, which survived the terrible American atomic bombing in 1945, and is still (in what generation!) experiencing its consequences, "takes an example" from the USA and Great Britain, frivolously handling nuclear waste. After the catastrophe at the Fukushima nuclear power plant, tons of nuclear contagion spills into the ocean - help yourself, humanity. Catch infectious fish in the ocean.

Already, Kyiv is doing “nuclear pranks”, aiming at the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. And the UK calls the uranium shells that have already brought disaster to hundreds of thousands of people "a standard component of ammunition that has nothing to do with nuclear weapons." Typical Anglo-Saxon hypocrisy, which even a schoolboy will strike with a question:

- Isn't depleted uranium a nuclear material?

7. How should Russia react?

Vladimir Putin has already stated that Russia will be forced to respond if the collective West begins to use weapons with a nuclear component. How exactly, the President has not yet specified.

So I'm just going to be careful with my assumptions. It is very possible that our army will simply have to stop the delivery of Challenger tanks with British uranium shells to Ukraine (in other words, hit a legitimate military target - columns with this military iron, as long as they are away from the borders of Russia). Although we have another opportunity - "to give a sniff of nuclear dust" to the Anglo-Saxons themselves, as they say, at their place of residence. But for now, I don't want to think about it. Maybe they can change their minds?

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 22 2023 19:34 utc | 38

@ TZ post 15
@ pretzel attack Post 27

When did the rules change to permit the IMF to fund a nation at war?

Ukraine clinch first IMF loan to nation at war

Dominated by US, rules change on the fly. The funds will end up in Swissy bank accounts, never to be repaid.

Russia China and like-minded countries should withdraw funding the IMF.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 39

@ JB 26

The Ukrainian children were removed from the total toxicity of USUKIS created Nazism, the shelling, the brainwashing and the racism. No brained imho. I know USUKIS have no brains but that's a different problem.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 40

It is up to Russian officials to state before the world, and show, if they can, that the children were not taken against their will, because that is what it is about.

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26


This made me laugh, thank you for your (what I presume to be) heartfelt concern for law and public perception.

I can assure you that Russian citizens, the people who support Putin, have no problem with him rescuing ethnic Russian children from a war-zone, and nothing presented to the ICC will change that.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 41

Re "that the children were not taken against their will", the will of children is irrelevant here. Responsible parents/guardians don't give children what they want--they do what's best for them.

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Mar 22 2023 19:39 utc | 42

Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3

tiny text is too small to read, how do you enlarge the image? Is that function only available to TG subscribers?


Ctrl+ is the failing eyesight's best friend. Hit the combination as many times as you need to get the text up to an acceptable size.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 22 2023 19:41 utc | 43

Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 22 2023 19:28 utc | 35

The full size JPG image of the Prigozhin letter is available from this link to my Google Drive. Download from the button in the upper right.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 19:44 utc | 44

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Mar 22 2023 19:39 utc | 43

the responsible parents were likely dead. i think protecting children by removing them from a war zone, in loco parentis, is not a war crime. maybe you think Russia should have put them in cages like the US did to the children of immigrants.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:47 utc | 45

Question - when Blinken demands ‘Russians’ stop occupying the Ukraine - is he advocating the ethnic ckeansing of 10 million people ?

Posted by: Exile | Mar 22 2023 19:48 utc | 46

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 40

like you say, it is depends on what the primary beneficiary of the so called "rules based international order" wants, they can change on a dime. there used to be a comic strip called Calvin and Hobbes. one of the characters would win by making up and repeatedly breaking his own "rules". The US has been playing Calvinball with the rest of the world for a long time.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:49 utc | 47

Simplicius has a new Substack post up... It's more of a historical post than a current one. He cover the dissolution of the Soviet Union, followed by the events of the 90s, the rise of the neocons, the predecessor to 9/11 in 1993, Afghanistan and the failures of the neocons.

How the USSR's Fall Unleashed a Neocon Goldrush to the Heartland
The dissolution of the USSR kicked off immediate plans to seize the most vaunted corridor in history, one that would rupture the prized World Island.

Many people are aware of the various disparate geopolitical events of the 1990s and their respective imports—from the dissolution of the USSR, to the rise of the American Neocon movement to center stage, which precipitated the imperialist military actions of the end of the 20th to the 21st centuries. But few recognize the essential teleological link binding these events with a direct causality.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 19:52 utc | 48

The West arranges the genocide of the Ukrainian people: English shells with uranium for Kiev risk provoking a second Chernobyl
Military historian Yuri Knutov said that Western shells with depleted uranium could provoke a second Chernobyl

The topic of British shells for British tanks filled with depleted uranium, and drones that can be equipped with such charges and sent to Russia, on Radio Komsomolskaya Pravda, we discussed with military historian, director of the Museum of Air Defense Forces Yuri Knutov.


- Weapons with depleted uranium kill everyone around - but not everyone knows about such omnivorousness?

- The core of the projectile itself is made from depleted uranium. It has a very high strength, higher than usual. All nuclear warheads, nuclear warhead casings are made from depleted uranium. It retains high strength even when going into space. And in severe sub-zero temperatures. And when passing through the dense layers of the atmosphere.

- Does depleted uranium give unique stability to any warheads?

- Even if a high-explosive fragmentation warhead of an antimissile is blown up, the warhead is able to withstand such an explosion. These are special projectiles that are designed to penetrate almost any frontal armor.

- Tanks in the first place?

- Yes. Including numbers to fight our tanks. Which received the latest dynamic protection. The T-90 has active protection of the "Arena" type. It is extremely difficult to fight such tanks with conventional shells.

- What about unusual ones?

- Projectiles with a tungsten core are not so dangerous. But NATO prefers depleted uranium shells. This is highly radioactive uranium. Enriched uranium is used to make the atomic bomb. This uranium cannot be used to produce nuclear weapons.

- Is the level of radiation that comes from it dangerous to health?

- Certainly! NATO dropped 15 tons of such ammunition on Yugoslavia. And there, the indicators of pediatric oncology 20 years later doubled the European level.

- In Yugoslavia, did NATO set up a training ground for such shells?

- They used them extensively. When the projectile hits the frontal armor, the core begins to compress and pierce the armor with a certain amount of force. Forming radioactive dust. If a person then picks a flower, takes a branch, sits on the grass - this dust will cause cancer. Serbia today ranks first in Europe in childhood cancer.

- Why then do the Americans use depleted uranium in the manufacture of armor?

- This uranium in the armor is used in the latest modifications of the Abrams tanks. Yes, the armor is layered. And one layer there of depleted uranium. Such tanks were used in Iraq. When Iraqi shells from T-72 tanks hit the frontal armor of the Abrams, they did not penetrate it.

- But...

- But dust and scale formed inside. It was breathed by the crews of American tanks. Most got cancer. The Pentagon is flooded with lawsuits. American tankers or their families demanded compensation for damage caused by armor plates made from depleted uranium.

- And what about the Pentagon?

- They did everything to ensure that not a single lawsuit went through. But thousands of tankers got cancer. Hundreds died quickly.

- Are shells with such uranium a dirty bomb?

- We consider these projectiles as a dirty bomb. If they are used, then the answer will be adequate.

- If the car with these shells is bombed, will the radioactive dust fly over long distances?

- There will be environmental pollution over large areas. That is why it is genocide against the Ukrainian people. The West initiates environmental pollution on the territory of Ukraine.

- Can't you knock them down on the distant approaches?

- Air defense on such ammunition does not work. It's a tank shell. Such anti-aircraft gunners cannot be intercepted. On the T-90 dynamic protection. And a high-explosive jet is fired towards such a projectile.

- Does it save the crew?

- This greatly dampens the speed of such a projectile. Yes, there is active protection. She intercepts the projectile in flight. Small [projectiles], like rockets, are fired, they intercept the projectile and knock it off course.

- Do radioactive fallout fall to the ground?

- The collision of such a projectile with an obstacle is always environmental pollution and an increased level of radiation.

- Putin said that Moscow would respond appropriately to the supply of such shells to Kyiv.

- There are different answers. Beginning with the use of tactical nuclear weapons, which the Americans say they have the right to be the first to use tactical weapons. We refrain from making such statements.

- And what do we not abstain from?

- It is not excluded the use of hypersonic missiles "Dagger" with a conventional warhead. They can destroy warehouses with these shells, destroy places of storage, vehicles carrying such ammunition. And so prevent them from entering the combat zone.

- But this is radioactive contamination of Ukrainian territories

- It can become the second Chernobyl. Only these will be focal infections. And they will affect the population of Ukraine soon. Fertile land will not be cultivated because it will become contaminated.

- On Wednesday, March 22, our fleet repelled a drone attack on Sevastopol.

- We are talking about marine drones - these are remote-controlled boats with a mass of explosives. They are guided either by GPS or by operators. An aerial drone also participated in the attack. We have deactivated all means.

What is the purpose of such attacks?

- The Ukrainian regime is actually preparing for an offensive. It will take place at the end of March - beginning of April. They are trying to destabilize Crimea, disrupt the holiday season. The purpose of the attack on Dzhankoy and Sevastopol is just such a provocative action.

What do we need to do urgently?

- Calculate the assembly locations of these drones. This is the goal for our videoconferencing. Enormous sums are being allocated to produce these drones in the West and send them to Ukraine as constructors. These drones are improved every one and a half to two months. And in terms of software, and in terms of protection against electronic warfare, and the delivery of ammunition. The enemy is improving. We are getting better at dealing with it.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 22 2023 19:55 utc | 49

I've got a question.

Everyone seems certain that a big Russian offensive would not work. This isn't the Second World War, and Operation Bagration never had to deal with NATO technology.

Yet people are quite happy to consider a big Ukrainian offensive - which can perhaps take out Melitopol and isolate, or even capture, Crimea.

So what is the contradiction? Why is it possible for Ukraine to have a big offensive, given it would be crazy for the Russian to have one?

Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 50

nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8

Just right click on the image and open link in a new tab.


Posted by: deal | Mar 22 2023 20:02 utc | 51

Last Saturday (March 18), Mercouris opened his daily Duran video with an analysis of the ICC indictment. It provides a lot of context as to why the ICC action is little more than a form of “lawfare” and carries no legal weight outside of its information-war purpose. Understanding the context will make the Russian responses more comprehensible, and forestall arguments that this event should be taken at all seriously.

Posted by: jayc | Mar 22 2023 20:04 utc | 52

It is up to Russian officials to state before the world, and show, if they can, that the children were not taken against their will, because that is what it is about.

It is up to NATO to show before the world that they will atone for > 1,000,000 dead Iraquis > 500,000 dead Iraqui Children > 2,000,000 dead Vietnamese millions of Syrians maimed / killed... numerous Afghan dead...

As for the Russians.... I agree.... they need to make a statement....

Considering the Hague is the same venue as the tribunal whitewashing the UkroNazi -- Obama shoot down of MH17...

Nuking the place.... and turning Holland into a radioactive waste land.... should make a suitable impression....

Ditto for UK Norway..... Poland..... Finland..... Sweden.... Germany..... France..... Roumania.... Croatia.... Albania.... Italy...


The USA....

Now, prove me wrong....


Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Mar 22 2023 20:04 utc | 53

Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:32 utc | 38

it is easy why they do that, they opened an investigation against the ICC so they now accuse them and well they want to provide their evidence :)

Posted by: Macpott | Mar 22 2023 20:04 utc | 54

Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 51

It's not possible. Simple answer. The reason why people believe this is found in the phrase "cognitive dissonance."

Long answer:

The Russian are quite capable of a big offensive (allegedly once the ground stops being muddy.) They have the men and the logistics. The Ukrainians have untrained conscripts and are running low on virtually everything. They cannot form and execute a front-wide offensive. The best they can do is localized limited tactical attacks, which the Western media refer to inaccurately as "offensives". Kherson and Kharkiv are examples - they failed disastrously, in both cases because Russians gave ground while inflicting horrific losses on Ukrainian men and materiel while taking few themselves. As soon as the Ukrainian attacks reached solidly held Russian lines, they stopped and are now in the process in the Kharkiv region of being beaten back.

Any Ukrainian attack toward Crimea will run into reinforced Russian forces and recently built massive fortifications and will be stopped cold again with horrific losses of Ukrainian forces.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 20:07 utc | 55

Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 51

I thinks it’s more a case of: The Russians wouldn’t be that stupid, don’t need to as they own the clock and are achieving the desired attrition rates; whereas the Ukrainians are desperate, have little time left and are not inflicting the predicted casualties in their defensive battles. The very fact that the Ukrainians are even thinking of such a last-minute gamble is proof that the Western narrative is a perverted projection of reality.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 22 2023 20:08 utc | 56

Oh my, - Losing a neighbour after stepping on his toes:

US must respond to Nord Stream accusations – Mexican president

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has called on Washington to answer claims about the pipeline sabotage

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has argued that the US should respond to allegations that it sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines. The remarks came as the Mexican leader hit out at Washington following criticism of his country.

“If we are talking about acts of violence, how is it that an award-winning journalist in the United States claims that the US government sabotaged the gas pipeline from Russia to Europe?” Lopez Obrador asked during a press conference on Tuesday.

The Mexican president was referring to claims by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh that the Biden administration blew up the Nord Stream pipelines linking Russia and Germany last year.

Lopez Obrador’s remarks came as part of a rebuttal to accusations of “violence” by Mexican authorities, made in an annual human rights report issued by the US State Department this week. The report alleged “significant human rights issues” in Mexico and cited “credible reports” of unlawful or arbitrary killings by the police, as well as torture and forced disappearances.

Lopez Obrador rejected the findings as “lies,” and noted Washington’s own list of alleged wrongdoings. According to the Mexican president, that includes the US extradition demands against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who remains in detention in the UK.


cue a colour revolution south of the US border.

Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 20:10 utc | 57

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 19:31 utc | 37

I see that people are still shitting their panties over Depleted Uranium. One particularly ignorant poster even claims that DU contains traces of Plutonium. How does this happen when the DU has never been irradiated in a reactor?

Perhaps, after apologising for its stupidity, the ignorant говнюк quoted above would do well take this question up with its friends in NATO who, after all, favour the use the weapons and know of the contamination of the DU with other isotopes, including plutonium:

It has been long established that there may be trace elements of U-236 and Plutonium in Depleted Uranium, which is a by-product of the nuclear industry. According to independent experts, however, the levels found are so low as to present no cause for concern.

Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 20:14 utc | 58

@Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 51

For Ukraine, recapturing territory and threatening Crimes is more important than lives and equipment lost in the attempt. I think Russia needs either a completely impotent/defanged UAF, or a surrender, to make a reasonably 'cost effective' territorial advance. Russia can accomplish near term SMO objectives by fighting the UAF in eastern Ukraine where logistics favor them. If the UAF tries an offensive and fails completely then you might see a large Russian counter offensive. That's my opinion.

Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 22 2023 20:15 utc | 59

@Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 20:10 utc | 58

cue a colour revolution south of the US border.
It is needed much more north of the border.

Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 22 2023 20:16 utc | 60

@Dave Oneil, #1:

You're right China's been sending harsh messages to the Empire. Here is another example:

Yesterday, we saw the Chinese's assessment of Empire's so-called democracy. China used to joke and make fun of the Empire only at whisky bars or banquet tables. But now they are doing, in high profile, on their media platform. Way to go!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 22 2023 20:20 utc | 61

@ pretzelattack 28
USUKIS has created an echo chamber of unjustified Russophobia. I live in an an echochamber of unjustied anglophone in thexKashmiri Muslim community in Birmingham.

The Russophobia is a centuries old obsession of the Brits which they themselves call a Game. Thexanglophobia relates to a 250 year old symbiotic political relationship between Brits and South Asians. Nothing whatsoever to do with me.

The Jashmiris see Ramadhan as a Festival of culture in which they cook themselves in the mosque without opening the windows listening to a language they don't understand. It is supposed to be a chance to learn from the Qur'an.

The good thing is that their misuse of Ramadhan is their spiritual loss , not mine and USUKIS pushing their ancient game is bankrupting them, not Russia. Now they want the IMF to fork out for Ukraine. They're gambling everything on a totally uninformed opinion and will lose everything.

Like intoning a voodoo charm. Both of them.
USUKIS and the Cash smearies. Utter losers, both of them. Summyun Bukmun Ummyun /
Blind , deaf and dumb.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 22 2023 20:25 utc | 62

Can anyone shed any light on this story? Is it true? is the "war" a ruse to allow this globalist agenda to continue whether Russia does take control of Donbas and "security" zones? This is pure Globalist WEF Agenda!

March 5, 2023
Ukraine has Become the Model Worldwide for Digital IDs and the Complete Digital Transformation of Society

Posted by: billy | Mar 22 2023 20:27 utc | 63

Don't know why but the editor at Global Times wrote "the Russia-Ukraine conflict has fallen into a stalemate," which will be news to both Russian and Ukie soldiers. IMO, the man's completely confused about the entire SMO and lacks the most basic understanding of Russia's strategy.

As for statements by the Outlaw US Empire about China's "incorrect" position on Ukraine, the best counterpoint IMO is what Xi said in his statement to the media yesterday:

"Our position is based on the very essence of the issue and the truth."

And that's what myself and other barflies have done since 2014--to provide "the very essence of the issue and the truth," which is also what Russia's leaders have done. The proven liars related to this "issue" and many more are the Collective West led by the Outlaw US Empire of Lies, whose documented history of supporting Nazism in Ukraine goes back to 1945. The Truth indicts, judges and convicts the USA of massive crimes against humanity and its vassals of abetting those crimes. Because of that reality, is it any wonder that Xi, China, and RoW's "position is based on the very essence of the issue and the truth"? The Outlaw US Empire has no argument, no rebuttal, but it does have many trolls at its command who circulate cyberspace spreading FUD and falsehoods. The result for the trolls is they condemn themselves as immoral abettors in the crimes of their master, but they don't seem to have the brainpower to figure that out.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 64

Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 50

Surovikin said that Russia does not have to do a big offensive leading to high casualties when artillery can do the same job with a minimal cost in lives. Why storm a fortified trench when you can drop FAB500 & 1500 bombs and an array of artillery on the same fortified structure destroying it at minimal cost in lives? Almost 90% of Ukraine’s casualties are as a result of artillery.

So it’s not that they can’t they don’t need to. Their current strategy of attrition is working rather well for them right now.

Ukraine on the other hand needs to launch a counter offensive as they are under pressure from their Western sponsors to show tangible results for all the money and materiel they have poured into the conflict. If Zelensky does not show any tangible results and soon the flow of money and materiel will significantly decline.

However, should Zelensky launch that counter-offensive all signs are that it will be crushed by the Russians. It will be more of a last hurrah!

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 65

Pretzel attack no. 28

Likklemore no. 39

It's obscene. People starving to death, droughts all over the planet and these fuckers can just come up with £12 billion. Sick, sick, sick.

Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 22 2023 20:34 utc | 66

” Can anyone shed any light on this story? Is it true?”

Well, sure! Digital IDs work great without electricity! That’s why Russia is destroying the Ukraine’s power grid... ‘cuz the Russians are definitely in on the WEF plans!

... or maybe not.

Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 22 2023 20:35 utc | 67

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 65

If one looks at MOD reports (and also claimed by Military summary channel), the Russians are not doing storming operations in any part of the front line, excluding Bakhmut. That's also probably what the "up to x soldiers" usually mean, they are usually done by artillery and air strike, meaning they rely more on the mathematical model to guesstimate casualties. If they are doing actual close fighting, naturally casualty reports will be more precise, but currently it isn't happening other than Bakhmut.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 20:41 utc | 68

According to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, from February 24, 2022 to March 19, 2023 (13 months), a total of 8,317 civilians have been killed by both sides during Russia’s military operation against the Ukraine. The operation was started to protect Donbass residents from the regime of extreme Russia-hating fanatics installed in Kiev in 2014 by the West and to protect Russia from NATO expansion. Every effort has been made by Russia to avoid the war, but the U.S. wanted it, and so it happened.

Keep in mind that until 1992, what is now the Ukraine has continuously been part of Russia for 197–489 years, depending on the region (50 years in case of Galicia). Add 250 years for the period of centralized Rus’ with Kiev as its capital and another 100 years for the period when Russian principalities still considered Kiev the formal capital and ruled the Principality of Kiev together. So, 550–850 years together. Also keep in mind that the Malorussian (Ukrainian) language developed from the West Russian (Ruthenian) language and is very close to the Russian language, and that most people in the Ukraine actually speak Russian. Also keep in mind that a third of Ukrainians have close relatives in Russia. Russia simply couldn’t stand idly by as part of Rus’ civilization right on its border was being brainwashed into Russophobia.

According to Iraq Body Count, from March to April 2003 (2 months), a total of 7,434 civilians have been killed, all by the U.S.-led coalition, during its military operation against Iraq. The operation was started to destroy a country (second out of planned seven) so that other countries would fear the U.S. and do as they are told, to generate profits for the U.S. military-industrial complex, to obtain oil at unfairly low prices, and to make Israel the only attractive country in the Middle East. Every effort has been made by Iraq to avoid the war, but the U.S. wanted it, and so it happened.

Obviously, Iraq has never been part of the U.S., the Arabic language and other languages of Iraq have nothing in common with the English language, and the number of Iraqis that have close relatives in the U.S. is minuscule. So it was none of U.S.’s business what was going on in Iraq, which is located on the other side of the planet.

Now, a question: where’s the ICC arrest warrant for George W. Bush?

Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 20:42 utc | 69

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 64
"Don't know why but the editor at Global Times wrote 'the Russia-Ukraine conflict has fallen into a stalemate,'"

Martyanov would say it's simply because he "doesn't understand real war." Which is true. Almost no one outside the Russians and the Germans have a historical understanding of large scale modern war and only the Russians understand current technological level large-scale industrial war. Very few people outside the military understand the concept of the military balance or the concept of operational and strategic planning.

We see that here in the bar where idiots make pronouncements with certainty which are completely outside the realm of feasibility and/or rationality.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 20:45 utc | 70

I see that people are still clinging to their ignorance. Here is a simple primer on the relationship between decay rate (radioactivity) and half-life.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 20:45 utc | 71

Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 20:42 utc | 69
"According to Iraq Body Count, from March to April 2003 (2 months), a total of 7,434 civilians have been killed"

The figure is risible. The overall cost to Iraq from the 2003 invasion from all causes was estimated by the Lancet using viable models and on the ground research to be in the neighborhood of one million dead

Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties

a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% (186,318) of those were attributed to the US-led Coalition, 24% (144,246) to others, and 46% (276,472) unknown.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 20:52 utc | 72

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 20:41 utc | 68

Bakhmut (or any built up area for that matter) is different because Wagner needs to clear each room each floor each house/apartment each block each street etc. at a time. Artillery can only do so much and then the rest needs to be done by boots on the ground.

Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 20:55 utc | 73

JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 27 ...crimes of deportation of children from "occupied territories"...

Relax. It was not "deportation" but "evacuation", or as in the case of Operation Babylift a "relocation". Nobodoy was tried for that ever.

Over 2,500 children were relocated without their consent and adopted out to families in the United States and its allies.
As long as the Ukrainian terrorists shell purely civilian structures this relocation is justified, if not mandatory. If I was Russia, I wouldn't waste my time with these double standard Assange-style lawfare cretins from the heavily greased by a war faction (EU) "International" Clown Court either.

Personal hint: Better have your Bellingcrap friends edit the cited Wiki page. RoW may be confused.

Posted by: OttoE | Mar 22 2023 21:12 utc | 74

To be fair the Russians should be held guilty of war crimes along with the British,French,Canadians,USA and many others. The idea that only certain things are crimes meanwhile it's ok to murder tens of thousands of others is not logical.
Russia is laying waste to every inch of country they take to ensure there is no risk of terrorist activity ever, unless the ghost of Kiev returns dead people don't rebel.

Posted by: OoCanada | Mar 22 2023 21:16 utc | 75

90 % of the British public are totaly ignorant of what is taking place in Ukraine in their name.
How could they know ? Where would they go to get the truth.
The mind is like a computer if you put rubbish in you get rubbish out.
All along the public were encouraged to not be interested, for obveous reasons. Talk to them they switch off in an instant. It's creepy but we all here have seen that exact same phenomenon.
They would rather die in a nucular holacost than face the truth.
I'd rather die knowing the truth and knowing who my true enemy is.
Ignorance isn't not knowing something its not wanting to know.
I forget who said that.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 21:18 utc | 76

@43 I recently discovered windows 10 has a make everything bigger slider below its text size slider. It works great it's nice to have it all automatic.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 22 2023 21:19 utc | 77

I see that people are still clinging to their ignorance. Here is a simple primer on the relationship between decay rate (radioactivity) and half-life.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 20:45 utc | 71

Reminder, this is the troll that called me “particularly ignorant” for stating that DU is contaminated with other actinoid isotopes, including plutonium. I dare say, the only primer that it’s qualified to comment on is the primer on stupidity.

Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 21:25 utc | 78

@Richard Steven Hack #72:

The figure is risible. The overall cost to Iraq from the 2003 invasion from all causes…

I see that your reading comprehension is still quite poor. Let me add emphasis:

According to Iraq Body Count, from March to April 2003 (2 months), a total of 7,434 civilians have been killed, all by the U.S.-led coalition…

Do you see it now?

The same website gives an estimate of 186,736–210,090 documented civilian deaths from violence as a result of the Iraq war. Which is still too low, but they focus on documented cases only.

Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:26 utc | 79

Given what we´ve learnt about the effects of uranium shells on the people of Serbia and Iraq - and the ´Gulf War syndrome´, why is the British government sending these shells to their supposed "ally" (but we´re not at war!), the Ukraine?
Why would we want to poison the children and the agriculture of our "ally"? Because the Ukraine is where these uranium shells will be used.
Come to that, why are the British using uranium shells at all? Will it be cluster bombs next (as we already do in the Yemen)? And then poison gases (as we arranged for our "moderate rebels") and then tried to blame Syria? And then will it be bio-weapons because, of course, Britain wants to be a "world leader" (Porton Down, etc.)?
Britain certainly is a world leader - in hypocrisy, depravity and venality.

Posted by: John Marks | Mar 22 2023 21:29 utc | 80

no news to barflies, but Jimmy Dore shows up what a psychopath Blinken is.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 21:30 utc | 81

So pls. leave the Iraqian views of points - for a while, even it's important thereto.
The "points" are always the same based on Western lies.
Whatever "YOU" want to have a "new type of the World", whether living in New York or Boston or in Seattle or elsewhere in "The United States of America", YOU (the US + EU-Partners) should be aware of the fact that YOU personally just have been targeted by any Snipers - engaged by anywhome worldwide !
Pls. look at Africanians newly "thinking young people" : US: have an answer due to US-Downsize methods?

Another state Western ammunition deliveries :
Here on MoA, many people might disregard the fact that US/UK support of warfare against RU may lead to an out-of-order situation on either sides.
You - MoA here- may think today, RU has an open available amount on artillery equipment,
that's not true.
An open end artillery servive - up to 2030 - against them who it be - will have the US-Nazi Military Companies LLCs .. so sorry - must wait what's going next .. on weakend US-Marshaqlls ideas ..
Carefully watched hour-by-hour by the RU-AD systems, but hoefully not only by a Kerosin spill ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 22 2023 21:32 utc | 82

Posted by: OoCanada | Mar 22 2023 21:16 utc | 75

My take is that in 1945, Soviet soldiers were heroes while German were brainless mass murderers.
This comes from which nation did cross the border to invade the other on June 22, 1941.
About the present war I believe persecution of Russian people started in Feb 2014 with the Maidan coup and never stopped since.
You are now left with these facts to determine who is heroic and who is murdering wantonly.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 22 2023 21:38 utc | 83

@OoCanada #75:

To be fair the Russians should be held guilty of war crimes…

So far we have only seen video evidence of Ukrainians committing war crimes.

Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:39 utc | 84

Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 0:18 utc | 176 <- from yesterday's thread.

Thank you for this:

It appears that the reporter, Thomas Roper, got the scoop from Alina Lipp. Which is probably why Germany is threatening her with jail time:

So, thanks again Zet, and everyone else who replied to my question.

Posted by: team10tim | Mar 22 2023 21:41 utc | 85

The Greatest Spring Offensive... I can't hear it anymore. Just bring me ANY spring offensive, Russian or Ukraine, or Chinese, or German, or English.. Canadian, South Korean.. Why not just call it:

The Mother of all Spring Offensives..

I am waiting..

Posted by: C | Mar 22 2023 21:41 utc | 86

Russia is laying waste to every inch of country they take

Posted by: OoCanada | Mar 22 2023 21:16 utc | 75

How's the general mental health down there in hell-aviv right now? Apparently not that good?

Posted by: Mike | Mar 22 2023 21:42 utc | 87

C @ 86
Don't be so offensive

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 21:45 utc | 88

'On TV, our people's war was turned into a TV show. They invite various pot-bellied "experts" in glasses (political scientists, military correspondents), who tell the people in serious talk how to fight correctly and how to conduct foreign policy. Spanish shame overcomes for all this utter wool.
With rare exceptions, ordinary front-line soldiers or simply sane people get on the air.And all because they will tell a very uncomfortable truth about the war. About how the army is self-supplied in matters of new technologies of war and organization of life, for example, and much more.
Until the authorities learn to hear the soldier, Victory will not be seen.'

A post by a member of the elite 155th marine brigade of Rusdia. Russia will win this war against a third rate army but it still has a long way to go and a lot of organizational issues to fix. Not withstanding the rampant use of alcohol. Wagner at least prohibit the use of drugs and alcohol.

Posted by: nl07427 | Mar 22 2023 21:45 utc | 89

Cost of rebuilding Western Ukraine = 400 billion $

Cost of replenishing NATO arms stocks = 400 billion $

Cost of energy bailouts for Europe = 800 billion $

And we are just in year 1 of the war.


Posted by: Comandante | Mar 22 2023 21:49 utc | 90

Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:26 utc | 79

Then why cite the low estimate only in your post? Perhaps your comprehension of the scale of the US crime in Iraq is poor. Citing "documented cases" only is also risible.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 21:51 utc | 91

Thanks Pessimist (19). MOA forums have made me feel less crazy for my own hunches. Hanna Arendt says that the totalitarian isolates individual dissent. We think we're the only ones having these thoughts because we get no media feedback. This is by design. Thanks for the repost. Salute!

Posted by: Aaron Lee | Mar 22 2023 21:53 utc | 92

Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 22 2023 21:32 utc | 82

Leave the crack pipe alone before posting, please.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 21:54 utc | 93

Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 20:10 utc | 57 "...US must respond to Nord Stream accusations..."
Not sure about any obligation to respond to accusation. The "MUSTs" in a rules based order are manifold, however:

(1) Not only the US but also Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany MUST give satisfactory answers to the questions Russia submitted via diplomatic channels.
(2) Russia, the most affected country by this act of terrorism ever MUST be included in the investigations.
(3) Given the size (biggest or second biggest) of this act of terrorosm, and the technical difficulties, which hint to state-level involvement, the United Nations MUST engage with due diligence.
(4) Given the substance in Hersh's revelations against the US, the AG of the US MUST seriously investigate.

Failure to act on these MUSTs by any of these four institutions tells only one thing: Complicity.

Posted by: OttoE | Mar 22 2023 21:55 utc | 94

Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:39 utc | 84

This is true, I would like for example to see what evidence there is that Russia was responsible for the Bucha massacre. lots of smoke, no fire. but it is an article of faith among the largely (hugely) propagandized members of the US public.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 21:57 utc | 95

The U.S. Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II
by James A. Lucas

The U.S. air assault started on January 17, 1991 and it lasted for 42 days. On February 23 President H.W. Bush ordered the U.S. ground assault to begin. The invasion took place with much needless killing of Iraqi military personnel. Only about 150 American military personnel died compared to about 200,000 Iraqis. Some of the Iraqis were mercilessly killed on the Highway of Death and about 400 tons of depleted uranium were left in that nation by the U.S.

Global Research

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 22 2023 21:57 utc | 96

Aaron Lee @ 92
I also read you 1st article.
I thought it was absalutly first rate
And have book marked your site. Something I rarely do.
Keep it up and stick around here your among sane freands.

Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 21:59 utc | 97

Posted by: Comandante | Mar 22 2023 21:49 utc | 90

salute to el commandante! at least someone who counts the beans ,)

Posted by: Macpott | Mar 22 2023 22:03 utc | 98

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 21:54 utc | 93

Leave the crack pipe alone before posting, please.

So I've done, sorry.
But, You should have a close insight meeting tomorrow done with Xi/Putin , still nowadays this week asap.

Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 22 2023 22:05 utc | 99

I see the morons on Twitter on talking about Russia putting T-55 tanks into the war.

The propaganda never ends. Compare that crap with this report on Russian tanks and the number in reserve from 2017:

These are all the tanks in Russia's arsenal

There were 3,000 T-80s, 200 T-90s, 7,000 T-70s (not including 1,900 active) in reserve then. They would have us believe Russia has lost all those, PLUS the 2,000 T-64s and 2,500 T-62s that were in reserve. That's in addition to 350 T-90s, 450 T-80s, and 1,900 T-72s that were in active duty.

So they are claiming Russia has lost in excess of 17,000 tanks so far.

This is the level of delusion the West is operating under. People under overdoses of LSD have a better grasp of reality. Dead people have a better grasp of reality. LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 22:12 utc | 100

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