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March 22, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-67
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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China’s harsh message to the USA. Posted by: Dave Oneil | Mar 22 2023 16:14 utc | 1 So from what I can see on TG, the Nazis are trying a hail mary counter offensive. I don’t see that going well for them. Bye bye supply lines. They’d be smarter to surrender en masse and give the west the one finger salute. Posted by: Watzov | Mar 22 2023 16:29 utc | 2 Just missed the new thread so I repost: Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3 I did a huge data trawl of Russian military spending, sourced from SIPRI, the World Bank, Rostat, OECD, the Russian MOD, MOF, and other reputable sources. I determined it’s quite possible their spending trends indicate more military funding than the USA in 2023. It’s about 8600 words and has over 90 sources. From an uninformed/unscientific mind: we’re told that the depleted uranium rounds are known to cause many residual health problems, that military transporting these rounds also experienced cancer, and yet the oh so advanced U.S. tanks use depleted uranium as part of their armor. Does this suggest that the crews of these tanks are exposed to health risks, or those transporting the tanks are as well? Doesn’t seem to track, and we’re told these new designs are not being sent because of the secret design components. More propagandist obsfucation? Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5 Pasco @ 3 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 16:45 utc | 6 Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3 Posted by: nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8 China responds to US’ spox Kirby with some blunt words:
The Chinese peace initiative by US’ “rules-order” is a non-starter for the warmongers. On the battlefield RF forces will do the talking as US Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 16:59 utc | 9 Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5 Posted by: Iain | Mar 22 2023 17:01 utc | 10 This sick US enabled catastrophe is going to end one way only. Posted by: jpc | Mar 22 2023 17:03 utc | 11 @Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 22 2023 17:11 utc | 12 Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 22 2023 17:12 utc | 13 Posted by: nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8
Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 18:26 utc | 14 @Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5 Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2023 18:30 utc | 15 Just in: Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 22 2023 18:37 utc | 16 Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2023 18:30 utc | 11 Posted by: jpc | Mar 22 2023 18:39 utc | 17 Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc Posted by: JMC | Mar 22 2023 18:43 utc | 18 @http://aaronlee.substack.com/ Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 22 2023 18:45 utc | 19 DU munitions, if they go that way Russia will provide us with REAL uranium says Lukashenko. If they follow the madness path and use that type of munition the answer is going to be fearsome. Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 18:51 utc | 20 @Wilhelm | Mar 22 2023 16:42 utc | 5 Posted by: barstool | Mar 22 2023 18:53 utc | 21 Posted by: nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8 Posted by: lux | Mar 22 2023 18:57 utc | 22 17 – not that hard to find. Ur238 4.468 billion years Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 22 2023 19:02 utc | 23 https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/05/31/italys-defense-minister-backs-link-between-cancer-in-military-personnel-and-exposure-to-toxic-uranium/ Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 22 2023 19:08 utc | 24 @17 barstool Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 19:11 utc | 25 I was once speaking with a guy who was providing security at an event. It came up that he was in the army for a long time. Yugoslavia came up and I asked about DU. He said none of them would go near anything that was blown up with DU weapons. It was an odd conversation. He was very forthcoming about that and other stuff. I don’t know if he was telling me the truth, but he was quite aware of the dangers of the inhalation of exploded DU weapons particulate. Posted by: lex talionis | Mar 22 2023 19:15 utc | 26 I’m following the Russian reactions to the ICC arrest warrants agains Putin and Lvova-Belova. Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 27 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 22 2023 18:37 utc | 12 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:20 utc | 28 Guys, Marty from Amerika said du is ok and he’s an expert. Posted by: rk | Mar 22 2023 19:22 utc | 29
Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 19:23 utc | 30 @JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26
No, it is up to the accuser to provide evidence of any crime. ICC is completely discredited as it sees only what it wants to see. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 22 2023 19:24 utc | 31
Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 19:25 utc | 32 Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 19:25 utc | 33 Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 26 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:27 utc | 34 Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3 Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 22 2023 19:28 utc | 35
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/38635 Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 19:30 utc | 36 Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 22 2023 19:24 utc | 30 Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:32 utc | 37 The journalist of Komsomolskaya Pravda suggests that Russia may give ‘a sniff of nuclear dust to the Anglo-Saxons’ themselves (at the very end of this article) Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 22 2023 19:34 utc | 38 @ TZ post 15 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 39 @ JB 26 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 40 It is up to Russian officials to state before the world, and show, if they can, that the children were not taken against their will, because that is what it is about. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 41 Re “that the children were not taken against their will”, the will of children is irrelevant here. Responsible parents/guardians don’t give children what they want–they do what’s best for them. Posted by: Boris Badenov | Mar 22 2023 19:39 utc | 42 Posted by: Paco | Mar 22 2023 16:34 utc | 3 Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 22 2023 19:41 utc | 43 Posted by: AntiSpin | Mar 22 2023 19:28 utc | 35 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 19:44 utc | 44 Posted by: Boris Badenov | Mar 22 2023 19:39 utc | 43 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:47 utc | 45 Question – when Blinken demands ‘Russians’ stop occupying the Ukraine – is he advocating the ethnic ckeansing of 10 million people ? Posted by: Exile | Mar 22 2023 19:48 utc | 46 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 19:38 utc | 40 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 19:49 utc | 47 Simplicius has a new Substack post up… It’s more of a historical post than a current one. He cover the dissolution of the Soviet Union, followed by the events of the 90s, the rise of the neocons, the predecessor to 9/11 in 1993, Afghanistan and the failures of the neocons.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 19:52 utc | 48 https://www.kp.ru/daily/27481/4737246/ Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 22 2023 19:55 utc | 49 I’ve got a question. Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 50 nathan in WA US | Mar 22 2023 16:54 utc | 8 Posted by: deal | Mar 22 2023 20:02 utc | 51 Last Saturday (March 18), Mercouris opened his daily Duran video with an analysis of the ICC indictment. It provides a lot of context as to why the ICC action is little more than a form of “lawfare” and carries no legal weight outside of its information-war purpose. Understanding the context will make the Russian responses more comprehensible, and forestall arguments that this event should be taken at all seriously. Posted by: jayc | Mar 22 2023 20:04 utc | 52 It is up to Russian officials to state before the world, and show, if they can, that the children were not taken against their will, because that is what it is about. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Mar 22 2023 20:04 utc | 53 Posted by: JB | Mar 22 2023 19:32 utc | 38 Posted by: Macpott | Mar 22 2023 20:04 utc | 54 Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 51 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 20:07 utc | 55 Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 51 Posted by: Milites | Mar 22 2023 20:08 utc | 56 Oh my, – Losing a neighbour after stepping on his toes:
cue a colour revolution south of the US border. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 20:10 utc | 57 Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 19:31 utc | 37
Perhaps, after apologising for its stupidity, the ignorant говнюк quoted above would do well take this question up with its friends in NATO who, after all, favour the use the weapons and know of the contamination of the DU with other isotopes, including plutonium:
Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 20:14 utc | 58 @Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 51 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 22 2023 20:15 utc | 59 @Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 20:10 utc | 58
It is needed much more north of the border. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 22 2023 20:16 utc | 60 @Dave Oneil, #1: Posted by: Oriental Voice | Mar 22 2023 20:20 utc | 61 @ pretzelattack 28 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 22 2023 20:25 utc | 62 Can anyone shed any light on this story? Is it true? is the “war” a ruse to allow this globalist agenda to continue whether Russia does take control of Donbas and “security” zones? This is pure Globalist WEF Agenda! Posted by: billy | Mar 22 2023 20:27 utc | 63 Don’t know why but the editor at Global Times wrote “the Russia-Ukraine conflict has fallen into a stalemate,” which will be news to both Russian and Ukie soldiers. IMO, the man’s completely confused about the entire SMO and lacks the most basic understanding of Russia’s strategy. Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 22 2023 19:57 utc | 50 Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 65 Pretzel attack no. 28 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 22 2023 20:34 utc | 66 ” Can anyone shed any light on this story? Is it true?” Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 22 2023 20:35 utc | 67 Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 65 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 20:41 utc | 68 According to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, from February 24, 2022 to March 19, 2023 (13 months), a total of 8,317 civilians have been killed by both sides during Russia’s military operation against the Ukraine. The operation was started to protect Donbass residents from the regime of extreme Russia-hating fanatics installed in Kiev in 2014 by the West and to protect Russia from NATO expansion. Every effort has been made by Russia to avoid the war, but the U.S. wanted it, and so it happened. Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 20:42 utc | 69 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 22 2023 20:29 utc | 64 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 20:45 utc | 70 I see that people are still clinging to their ignorance. Here is a simple primer on the relationship between decay rate (radioactivity) and half-life. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 22 2023 20:45 utc | 71 Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 20:42 utc | 69
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 20:52 utc | 72 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 22 2023 20:41 utc | 68 Posted by: Down South | Mar 22 2023 20:55 utc | 73 JB | Mar 22 2023 19:16 utc | 27 …crimes of deportation of children from “occupied territories”…
As long as the Ukrainian terrorists shell purely civilian structures this relocation is justified, if not mandatory. If I was Russia, I wouldn’t waste my time with these double standard Assange-style lawfare cretins from the heavily greased by a war faction (EU) “International” Clown Court either. Posted by: OttoE | Mar 22 2023 21:12 utc | 74 To be fair the Russians should be held guilty of war crimes along with the British,French,Canadians,USA and many others. The idea that only certain things are crimes meanwhile it’s ok to murder tens of thousands of others is not logical. Posted by: OoCanada | Mar 22 2023 21:16 utc | 75 90 % of the British public are totaly ignorant of what is taking place in Ukraine in their name. Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 21:18 utc | 76 @43 I recently discovered windows 10 has a make everything bigger slider below its text size slider. It works great it’s nice to have it all automatic. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 22 2023 21:19 utc | 77
Reminder, this is the troll that called me “particularly ignorant” for stating that DU is contaminated with other actinoid isotopes, including plutonium. I dare say, the only primer that it’s qualified to comment on is the primer on stupidity. Posted by: Lengai | Mar 22 2023 21:25 utc | 78 @Richard Steven Hack #72:
I see that your reading comprehension is still quite poor. Let me add emphasis:
Do you see it now? Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:26 utc | 79 Given what we´ve learnt about the effects of uranium shells on the people of Serbia and Iraq – and the ´Gulf War syndrome´, why is the British government sending these shells to their supposed “ally” (but we´re not at war!), the Ukraine? Posted by: John Marks | Mar 22 2023 21:29 utc | 80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMiEBZDbAP4 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 21:30 utc | 81 So pls. leave the Iraqian views of points – for a while, even it’s important thereto. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 22 2023 21:32 utc | 82 Posted by: OoCanada | Mar 22 2023 21:16 utc | 75 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 22 2023 21:38 utc | 83 @OoCanada #75:
So far we have only seen video evidence of Ukrainians committing war crimes. Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:39 utc | 84 Posted by: Zet | Mar 22 2023 0:18 utc | 176 <- from yesterday's thread.
Thank you for this: https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2022/mehr-details-zu-dem-von-donezker-truppen-sichergestellten-nato-notebook/ Posted by: team10tim | Mar 22 2023 21:41 utc | 85 The Greatest Spring Offensive… I can’t hear it anymore. Just bring me ANY spring offensive, Russian or Ukraine, or Chinese, or German, or English.. Canadian, South Korean.. Why not just call it: Posted by: C | Mar 22 2023 21:41 utc | 86 Russia is laying waste to every inch of country they take Posted by: Mike | Mar 22 2023 21:42 utc | 87 ‘On TV, our people’s war was turned into a TV show. They invite various pot-bellied “experts” in glasses (political scientists, military correspondents), who tell the people in serious talk how to fight correctly and how to conduct foreign policy. Spanish shame overcomes for all this utter wool. Posted by: nl07427 | Mar 22 2023 21:45 utc | 89 Cost of rebuilding Western Ukraine = 400 billion $ Posted by: Comandante | Mar 22 2023 21:49 utc | 90 Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:26 utc | 79 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 21:51 utc | 91 Thanks Pessimist (19). MOA forums have made me feel less crazy for my own hunches. Hanna Arendt says that the totalitarian isolates individual dissent. We think we’re the only ones having these thoughts because we get no media feedback. This is by design. Thanks for the repost. Salute! Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 22 2023 21:32 utc | 82 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 21:54 utc | 93 Likklemore | Mar 22 2023 20:10 utc | 57 “…US must respond to Nord Stream accusations…” Posted by: OttoE | Mar 22 2023 21:55 utc | 94 Posted by: S | Mar 22 2023 21:39 utc | 84 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 22 2023 21:57 utc | 95
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 22 2023 21:57 utc | 96 Aaron Lee @ 92 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 22 2023 21:59 utc | 97 Posted by: Comandante | Mar 22 2023 21:49 utc | 90 Posted by: Macpott | Mar 22 2023 22:03 utc | 98 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 21:54 utc | 93
So I’ve done, sorry. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 22 2023 22:05 utc | 99 I see the morons on Twitter on talking about Russia putting T-55 tanks into the war. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 22 2023 22:12 utc | 100 |
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