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March 13, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-61
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Minimum, incomplete, low-ball KIA(only) 440+ … Translated:
Comment: There is a giant sucking sound from Bakhmut and Adeevka as they draw reserves into the vacuum. Let’s hope this is the beginning of the end for the eastern UAF army. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 13 2023 19:51 utc | 2 If there’s one fact to call attention to about this war, it’s that the bulk of people dying in it are dying from explosives launched or operated miles away from the battlefield. That’s a stark contrast from the portrayal of warfare as consisting of heroic individuals and teams coordinating victory via small arms fire. War is boring and it sucks. Posted by: fnord | Mar 13 2023 19:54 utc | 3 Kyiv has doubled down on preventing Russian forces from taking the eastern city as spring offensives loom – Wall Street Journal, archive.md
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Ya don’t say, been raising this regularly as the narrative change accelerates, since Dec’22/Jan’23. Proxy abandonment, latest Jun/Jul. For the benefit of the Trolls who were so anxious for that “Russian Offensive”….Are you getting it now? Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Mar 13 2023 19:57 utc | 5 Reposting from previous Open Thread …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2023 20:04 utc | 6 Looks like the Russian meat grinder is being replaced by the Russian Commercial-grade Meat Processing Machine. All thanks to the Comedian. Posted by: Comandante | Mar 13 2023 20:04 utc | 7 Outraged no. 4 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 13 2023 20:11 utc | 8 Maryanov on the Russian Navy submarines and other missile-carrying ships, for certain morons here who b has not banned yet…
One thing the troll missed was the small corvettes and frigates which can fire long-range missiles, such as the ones that hit ISIS in Syria from the Caspian Sea during the Syrian conflict.
Those were indeed subsonic. But there was 26 of them. Like to see a US Navy ship successfully shoot down all 26 in one salvo. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 20:12 utc | 9 Relevant broader events re current wider Situ & context, re-posted from previous thread:
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Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 20:12 utc | 9 Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Mar 13 2023 20:19 utc | 11 Stating the obveous… Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 13 2023 20:21 utc | 12 @outraged: I know that gloating is unbecoming, but that news makes me want to dance. The glorious coke head clowns’ spring offensive – delayed by mud! Posted by: Chris | Mar 13 2023 20:26 utc | 13 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 13 2023 20:11 utc | 8 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2023 20:27 utc | 14 Actual NATO operational readiness … now & for the next 3 to 5 years …
Italics comment, mine.
the pessimist @ 2
Remember back in the ’90s and ’00s all the Free Tibet stuff, and the big rock bands and rock stars and famous actors meeting with the Dali Lama? Any event you went to there’d be a stand with some people organizing for Tibet and the monks and worthy mysticism and spirituality. Yo, Foo Fighters, there’s some monks in need of help in Lavra. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 20:59 utc | 16 This from the Donbass Devushka TG is funny enough to be worth posting: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 21:10 utc | 17 Latest Brian Berletic…
The latter two points are important, especially given the Polish war game which showed a revamped Polish military with all new Western weapons systems being demolished by Russia in five days. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 21:16 utc | 18 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 13 2023 19:51 utc | 2 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 21:19 utc | 19 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 13 2023 20:13 utc | 10 Posted by: Milites | Mar 13 2023 21:19 utc | 20 Posted by: Milites | Mar 13 2023 21:19 utc | 20 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 13 2023 21:30 utc | 21 Translated from Russian:
OUN-B Nazi’s, what’s there to say …
The Commander of the German Navy was fired promptly pre SMO for the same reasons(IIRC). “By mid-April, almost all the weapons promised by the West will reach Kyiv: with what the Armed Forces of Ukraine plan to go on a spring offensive Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2023 21:32 utc | 23 We all might be surprised by the sudden and massive failure of US banking system. It might turn out that “general” who is going to deliver the final blow to Zelensky is US FED chairman Jerome Powell. Posted by: Milos | Mar 13 2023 21:38 utc | 24 @unimperator | Mar 13 2023 20:27 utc | 14 Posted by: Another James | Mar 13 2023 21:52 utc | 25 I’m somewhat amused by the term Air Raid nowadays, particularly in relation to the manner Russia employs its aerospace forces. Unlike NATO, Russia’s missile attacks are very precise and are not aimed at non-military use civilian infrastructure. Thus, we see all kinds of video aired by people unafraid to stand on their roof or look out their window to film such attacks as they know they’re not being targeted. The situation is the exact opposite when NATO launches an attack–everyone heads for shelter and the attacks are seldom recorded. But what I find odd NATO military find terrifying as when the sirens sound, they all head for cover as fast as they can for missiles are incoming, not a flight of slow-moving bombers approaching. And even rather early warning can still be traumatic as proved by the Iranian missile assault in response to Soleimani’s murder where over 100 soldiers ensconced in shelters suffered brain trauma from the missile impacts. And what’s perhaps the worst for NATO soldiers is they have no defense against missile attacks while Russians have excellent defenses and thus have a completely different outlook–Russians can’t wait to shoot down the incoming. Еva Hegel […] also called on the German cabinet to take urgent measures to improve equipment supply to the armed forces. Posted by: Marvin | Mar 13 2023 21:57 utc | 27 @Karlof1 Posted by: Jetpack1 | Mar 13 2023 22:06 utc | 28 @ Chris | Mar 13 2023 20:26 utc | 13
Peace. Out. Anyone notice Lukashenko shuttling btwn China and Iran spending close to a week in each? This isn’t about setting up drone factories or fertilizer deals. Something regarding the SMO is up, Belarus has some big role to play and is coordinating with Iran and China. Belarus joining the SCO is the backdoor for Chinese and Iranian military aid to Russia. I think after the fall of Artemivsk China and Russia will give an ultimatum to NATO and a functional peace plan, and a clear message to sign on the dotted line to avoid global east-west escalation. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 22:09 utc | 30 karlof1 @ 26
Best said with music: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 22:13 utc | 31 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 13 2023 21:32 utc | 23 Posted by: Mike R | Mar 13 2023 22:16 utc | 32 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 22:09 utc | 30 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 13 2023 22:21 utc | 33 Posted by: Mike R | Mar 13 2023 22:16 utc | 32 Posted by: Mike R | Mar 13 2023 22:23 utc | 34 Posted by: Milos | Mar 13 2023 21:38 utc | 24
From The Sirius Report:
Apparently this is only a small number of banks with positions in specific securities. But it appears the major impact will be on Silicon Valley startups more than the overall banking system. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:23 utc | 35 If there’s one fact to call attention to about this war, it’s that the bulk of people dying in it are dying from explosives launched or operated miles away from the battlefield. That’s a stark contrast from the portrayal of warfare as consisting of heroic individuals and teams coordinating victory via small arms fire. War is boring and it sucks. Posted by: Colin | Mar 13 2023 22:27 utc | 36 Liu Xin’s interview with Seymour Hersh… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:28 utc | 37 re: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:23 utc | 35 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 13 2023 22:29 utc | 38 Brian Berletic on a live stream…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:31 utc | 39 I remember the 80’s Texas Real Estate collapse, that too started with just a few bad apple Banks, by the time it was over every Texas Bank went under except one. Stockholders were not bailed out. Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Mar 13 2023 22:32 utc | 40 Posted by: Perimetr | Mar 13 2023 22:29 utc | 38 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:33 utc | 41 So, the Patriot system delivered to Lvov to protect the NATO/Kiev underground HQ failed. A Kinzhal missile hit the bunker last week killing approx 300 top officials, including NATO advisers. Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 13 2023 22:37 utc | 42 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:23 utc | 35 Posted by: Colin | Mar 13 2023 22:40 utc | 43 Getting a little tired of the wasted space and vitriol expended here, may I remind of the thread admonition?: Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 13 2023 22:42 utc | 44 Colin | Mar 13 2023 22:40 utc | 43 Posted by: Ned | Mar 13 2023 22:51 utc | 45 Posted by: Colin | Mar 13 2023 22:40 utc | 43 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:58 utc | 46 LightYearsFromHome & Bemildred– Wilhelm @44– @Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 21:19 utc | 19 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 13 2023 23:14 utc | 49 from Kyiv Independent
Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 13 2023 23:15 utc | 50
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 22:58 utc | 46 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 13 2023 23:19 utc | 51 From the previous thread by Roman: Posted by: Yuri | Mar 13 2023 23:24 utc | 52 HERMIUS @ 42
Why was the USA’s Patriot system’s failure Kiev’s fault? I am aware of the Patriot’s faults you’d think a bunch of NATO honchos would too. And, who told 300 officials to pile all into a bunker? Maybe there was a U2 concert in the bunker, we should be so lucky, anyone seen signs of Bono in the last couple of days? And another upside, I think we’ve seen the last of Kiev propaganda trips by Bojo, Biden, Von der Leyen, Penn, etc. etc. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 23:25 utc | 53 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 13 2023 22:37 utc | 42 Posted by: Milites | Mar 13 2023 23:30 utc | 54 Richard Steven Hack @ 46
West of England Andy @ 51
I’ll add runaway inflation and fixed income isn’t a good mix either. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 23:31 utc | 55 Posted by: Yuri | Mar 13 2023 23:24 utc | 52 Posted by: Passerby | Mar 13 2023 23:33 utc | 56 @karlof1. Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 13 2023 23:37 utc | 57 @Don Bacon | Mar 13 2023 23:15 utc | 50 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 13 2023 23:49 utc | 58 An article in Grayzone by Ivan Katchanovski that was linked to yesterday @ 274 and today @ 4 has made me reconsider the motives by the current President of the US. The article can be found here:
This shows that Joe Biden’s obsession with Ukraine is not primarily to cover up his sons financial involvement but by his 2014 decision to drive the Ukraine coup forward regardless of the fatalities. This mass murder was terrorism plain and simple. Terrorism directed by the Vice-President’s office which was charged with handling the Ukraine insurrection by the Obama White House. Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Mar 13 2023 23:52 utc | 59 LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 23:25 utc | 53 Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 13 2023 23:56 utc | 60 @ karlof1 | Mar 13 2023 23:14 utc | 48 Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 13 2023 23:57 utc | 61 @ @Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 21:19 utc | 19 Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 14 2023 0:07 utc | 62 Re Serge opining on the banking crisis
Got it? Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2023 0:13 utc | 63 A petition posted on Zelensky’s website in November 2022 suggested changing Russia’s official name to “Muscovy”. Well then, I propose calling the U$A the “United States of Amnesia”, like Gore Vidal once suggested. Or else “Bolivia” would be an option. Just imagine the headlines: “Bolivia took out Nord Stream 2”, und so weiter. Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 14 2023 0:28 utc | 64 Arestovych mush have AIDS or a terminal cancer.
And. Biden is a postergramps for dementia in Russia: Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 14 2023 0:31 utc | 65 As Alexander Mercouris, of the Duran, says on YouTube, the U.S., Britain, and the German military, have repeatedly told Zelensky to pull out of Bakhmut. Zelensky refuses. Posted by: Hegar | Mar 14 2023 0:34 utc | 66 Posted by: Hegar | Mar 14 2023 0:34 utc | 67 Posted by: Colin | Mar 14 2023 0:41 utc | 67 @Hegar | Mar 14 2023 0:34 utc | 67 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 14 2023 0:48 utc | 68 Moscow might recover like just fine from this war. Whatever this had lost population wise in this war is balanced by the amount of people in the occupied territories. As for equipments, this could manufacture hundreds of tanks per year, despite sanctions and its airforce is still intact. This war could end with a deal, around the table between Washington and Moscow. The sanctions might not be permanent. Posted by: Nuclear | Mar 14 2023 0:55 utc | 69 As usual, MoA veers towards the two-party system of the hegemon and the childish illusion of democracy. Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 14 2023 0:56 utc | 70 Few days ago rumors about possible losses among US military personal during latest Russian air strike were circulating in Russian social media channels. They were referencing some West media. No confimation was readily avaiable though. Posted by: asehi | Mar 14 2023 1:04 utc | 71 Posted by: Milites | Mar 13 2023 23:30 utc | 54 Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 14 2023 1:05 utc | 72 Update to my comment at #6 above on the GrayZone piece and the author on Maidan Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 14 2023 1:22 utc | 73 Please take finance discussion to the Week In Review Open Thread where I have just added a link to an Ellen Brown piece and quotes from it about derivatives….thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 14 2023 1:32 utc | 74 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Mar 14 2023 1:42 utc | 75 Follow the mouse-click pretend money. Ze is pushed to the bank burner focus is now on “how to save the banks.”
Those instruments of financial destruction: Derivatives. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2023 1:47 utc | 76 @ psychohistorian | Mar 14 2023 1:32 utc | 76 Why was a terrorist attack by Ukraine inside Russia needed for Russia to attack the war fighting capabilty of the government Russia is at war with. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 14 2023 2:02 utc | 78 “Prof. Michael Hudson goes there with the word that shall not be uttered – the elephant in the room.” Posted by: Wisco | Mar 14 2023 2:12 utc | 79 To Likklemore at 78 Posted by: Bobby jo | Mar 14 2023 2:16 utc | 80 @ Anton Gorbatow | Mar 14 2023 2:02 utc | 80 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 13 2023 23:31 utc | 55 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2023 2:28 utc | 82 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 13 2023 23:14 utc | 49 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2023 2:31 utc | 83 Anton Gorbatow | Mar 14 2023 2:02 utc | 80 Posted by: David | Mar 14 2023 2:32 utc | 84 Simplicius has a new Substack up. In this one he remembers the Iraq war and more importantly compares the events of that war – the real events, not the media spectacle that everyone remembers – with the media portrayal of events in the SMO. Everyone should find this a very interesting read.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 14 2023 2:36 utc | 85
My guess is also that, despite Patriarch Kirill’s pleas, there won’t be a word of protest from the likes of Bergoglio or the Archbishop of Canterbury. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 14 2023 2:43 utc | 86 [35] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 14 2023 3:01 utc | 87
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Posted by: Down South | Mar 14 2023 3:17 utc | 90 @ Sektion2B | Mar 14 2023 0:56 utc | 71 Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 14 2023 3:25 utc | 91
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/37142 Posted by: Down South | Mar 14 2023 3:39 utc | 92 “Prof. Michael Hudson goes there with the word that shall not be uttered – the elephant in the room.”
Interest rates and Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2023 3:40 utc | 93 [.] Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 14 2023 3:56 utc | 94 Jacob Dreizin, who unlike certain blowhard armchair generals does not pass off wishful thinking as fact, has posted two important mini articles.
In relation to Number One, I believe that Russia is in a much stronger position now than in September last year when the Pitin regime’s failure to plan for a war longer than 6 months meant the Kharkov front was almost stripped of soldiers and the nazis to Kupyansk and Izyum without a shot, with Russia now having to fight for every metre to get back to where it can recapture Kupyansk. But “much stronger” doesn’t mean “invincible”, not unless Putin is going to permit the military to use maximum five as required. For example, as Simplicius76 points out, Russia could have eradicated the entire nazi leadership at one go when it gathered at a nazi funeral, but didn’t. So if the nazis actually manage a breakthrough, the question is whether more “hard decisions” like Kherson will be taken or whether we will finally see the full force of the Russian military unleashed. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 14 2023 4:05 utc | 95 ” RF has deliberately from day 0 used majority consumable/expendable second rate arms, materiel & units by choice. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 14 2023 4:30 utc | 96 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 14 2023 4:30 utc | 98 Posted by: PalmaSailor | Mar 14 2023 5:18 utc | 98 # 94 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 14 2023 5:21 utc | 99 Posted by: Down South | Mar 14 2023 3:39 utc | 94 Posted by: Drake Schroeder | Mar 14 2023 5:29 utc | 100 |
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