downsouth@75
“”I know that several dozen people have come from Ukraine. I want to address them – let you have no illusions and expectations that something will happen here. Nothing will happen, brothers. I want to wish all the fighters in Ukraine to return to their families healthy, but I urge you not to succumb to dirty provocations. We know a lot more than they can imagine. The state is at the highest level today… as long as the Georgian Dream is in power, we will not allow a second front, it is excluded,” Garibashvili said in an interview with Imedi TV company.
Ukraine has sent former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili to his homeland to destabilize the situation in Georgia and involve the country in military operations…
Thank you for this!

Posted by: polarbear4 | Mar 12 2023 19:46 utc | 104

South Africa, Brazil, and now Mexico. Pretty impressive.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:22 utc | 66
South Africa and Brazil have been members at least since 2011.

Posted by: RB | Mar 12 2023 19:57 utc | 106

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Mar 12 2023 17:24 utc | 51
I’m sorry – that is a moronic thing to say. Nobody survives a nuclear ww3.
Posted by: irish al | Mar 12 2023 17:44 utc | 56

Somebody drank the kool-aid. Most nuclear winter models are based on assumptions about the particulate matter emitted from incineration as well as ejections from the blast. That’s preposterous since the entire present day arsenal detonated over hay barns wouldn’t produce as much particulate matter as a handful of coal plants would in a year. (Do the math)
And yet here we are enjoying the sun.
The whole world-ending-human-extinction doomsday is nothing more than propaganda to dissuade proliferation and the ability of NNP signatories to defend themselves by nuking invading armies (*cough* US *cough*) to oblivion as well as taking out infrastructure critical to the economy of the invader as deterrence.

That is exactly what those in control wanted from the get go. Divide the world into regional blocks as they will be easier to take over and dominate then dozens of separate nations. At first each block will use its own , digital, currency. Once each block is fully taken over, they will all be integrated into a single entity with one global , digital, currency and with one global government/ control structure. Yet, the peons keep on cheering these ” fortunate ” developments.
Problem, reaction, solution. Look it up.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:33 utc | 73

I wouldn’t count on the elites in BRICS+ from Putin to Jinping to Modi to Erdogan to MBS to Lula agreeing on anything in terms of controlling the global population. But people Soros, Klaus Schwab and the whole gang at Davos with the dollar system? Nope. BRICS+ is a better alternative.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Mar 12 2023 20:02 utc | 108

Here’s a broader analysis about the Anglo Saxon imperialist nations and their willful fomenting of wars around the world, as particularly exemplified by their Ukraine Proxy War, which they deliberately provoked.
This Anglo Saxon agenda is devious in its Machiavellianism, as the Anglos aim to destabilize, weaken, and Divide-and-Conquer geopolitical opponents (firstly, Russia and China) by stoking wars on their borders from Ukraine to Taiwan–all disguised behind the pretext of defending their false ideology of Anglo Liberal Democracy.
Wars — a product of Anglo-Saxon imperialism
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2392690/wars-a-product-of-anglo-saxon-imperialism
As Dmitry Medvedev himself has stated: “The behaviour of Washington and others this year is the last warning to all nations: there can be no business with the Anglo-Saxon world [because] it is a thief, a swindler, a card-sharp that could do anything,”
Former Russian president accuses West of lying, says there can be no business with Anglo-Saxon world
https://www.firstpost.com/world/former-russian-president-dmitry-medvedev-accuses-west-of-lying-says-there-can-be-no-business-with-anglo-saxon-world-11879491.html
Bluntly put, the Anglo Axis of Evil nations (USA, UK, Australia, Canada) simply cannot be trusted. As Vladimir Putin aptly stated in a 2022 speech, the USA and its allies are the Empire of Lies.
Deception and deceit are their core national values.

Posted by: ak74 | Mar 12 2023 20:07 utc | 110

Let’s take it back to basics….the leader of the free world is literally demented…unable to stay on a red carpet or read his teleprompter. His family has illegal financial dealings with Chinese and Ukrainian government entities….he is morally corrupt…senile and compromised. Anyone that thinks he won the popular vote in the last election is delusional. This is the talking head picking fights with China… Russia…Iran and just about every other place concurrently. This is sheer lunacy and reason enough to be absolutely suspicious of ANYTHING NATO or the EU says or does. Yes a hypersonic ballistic missile took out a shadow operation center deep underground…the same thing was done to a NATO Israeli CP deep in the mountains of Syria a few years ago. The B52N training bomb run on St Petersburg was highly provocative and most probably in response to the ass kicking in Lyv. The argument that NATO artillery fire is more accurate than Russian because of satellite surveillance in real time is nonsensical….Russia has the same capabilities operationally…. tactical fire control is tied into optical surveillance by drones. The lethal radius of 152mm is about 50m…..tell me how many Russian artillery strikes are not within that margin of error….a full salvo from the blazing sun thermobaric is lethal within an area of 20 acres. The Ukrainian side spouting off about operational plans… offensive this and Leopard that. All absolute bullshit..there is panic. Russian operational security is exceptional….faces hidden…no clowns uploading on battlefield or taking selfies. A few designated rifleman with GoPro..vetted by intelligence before release months after the action is for psychological operations….not some self absorbed narcissist reddit warrior trying to Garner attention and likes online. Uploads of Ukraineian units executing their own in summary executions and special units compelling other units forward at gunpoint….uploads of war crimes and atrocities by goetee sporting assclowns and massive drug paraphernalia in overrun Ukrainian positions all point to a breakdown in morale and combat effectiveness.

Posted by: Joe | Mar 12 2023 20:10 utc | 112

well intentioned US efforts.
Posted by: Dan Farrand | Mar 12 2023 19:42 utc | 99
Not sure if English is your first language but this expression is an oxymoron.

Posted by: RB | Mar 12 2023 20:18 utc | 114

The unfortunate fact is that there will be no official report about these types of events, but the only thing that’s known is that it’s technically possible, and things behind the scenes are heating up for USA/Russia. Also, the day after B-52 bomber made mock attack on St. Petersburg which hasn’t occurred very often otherwise.
Personally I think something like this did actually happen, despite seeing three different variants of the location of the “bunker”, namely Lvov, Kiev and Nikolaevsk.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 19:38 utc | 96

There is no other use for Kinzhals in Ukraine but bunker busting.
Maybe, just maybe, some target needs to be hit super quickly before it moves on to different coordinates so you need to get those 500 kg explosives there very fast. And an Iskander is too slow. But that only works with a surface launched hypersonic missile, and Kinzhals are air-launched. And by the time you get a MiG-31 in the air, half an hour has passed, and you were better off with the Iskander.
Also, in that scenario you would not launch six of them.
So some bunkers were busted with very high certainty.
P.S. The main use for Kinzhals seems to be a devastating nuclear first strike against NATO in Europe. They won’t even know what hit them, especially if it is masked as another air raid on Ukraine.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 20:21 utc | 116

@ FieryButMostPeaceful | Mar 12 2023 20:02 utc | 108
Let’s hope you don’t find out how wrong you are.

Posted by: irish al | Mar 12 2023 20:32 utc | 118

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 20:21 utc | 116
Even if Nato could see some plane in SW Russia, they can’t see what weapon they are carrying. And they certainly can’t see Kinzhal at all with their radars. They won’t know if/when it’s coming toward their high value target. Of course, as you said, they might have some schedule of changing between places, etc.
Posted by: Jmaas | Mar 12 2023 20:19 utc | 115
Here is a very well though out article of different nuclear scenarios related to Ukraine. It also explains why US is in a much weaker position here than advertised. It’s pretty long but worth it imo.
https://cirno.substack.com/p/russia-will-not-use-nuclear-weapons

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 20:34 utc | 120

Posted by: La Bastille | Mar 12 2023 20:10 utc | 111
Thanks for that link, very interesting and an oportunity to practice some French, a huge test for neoliberal “truths”, I would say lies, how is it possible that a country with 3% GDP of the West has a better industrial response to the situation? Excellent point, GDP is a big lie would be my conclusion. Todd says that we’re all going to lose, good point too.

Posted by: Paco | Mar 12 2023 20:42 utc | 122

Outraged @109–
Poor Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, exposes his ignorance and unfitness for his position with his statement. The intent to use Ukraine as an Anti-Russia’s been evident since 1945, and most certainly since the 1996 declaration to seek Full Spectrum Dominance; and the same can be said of the writers at Politico. It appears that aside from the Grand Plan there was never any Operational Plan and certainly no plan for the current reality. The part of the Grand Plan that’s been accomplished is the further deindustrialization and pauperization of the EU and most of NATO to which Z and his fellow Nazis aspired. IMO, demilitarization of NATO wasn’t part of the Grand Plan as Russian resilience was never seriously considered while the former has become a reality. If NATO is to rebuild its military, the Outlaw US Empire will need to accept euros for payment as NATO nations won’t be capable of raising the amount of dollars required thanks to their deindustrialized status. Oops! And the Empire’s sordid history in the matter tells us it’s very likely to say no to euros. In essence, a reversal of the Mashall Plan’s intent is occurring.
As for the timely release of Outlaw US Empire tanks to Ukraine, in reality that could happen today, but it appears active unit tanks aren’t to be supplied although they most certainly could, and IMO that rattles Z as it should. For the Outlaw US Empire, Ukraine is the battleground on which Russia’s military might is to be decimated but the opposite is occurring as first the Ukies now NATO is being decimated. What existed as the plan for victory–such as it was–died on 24 Feb 2022. For the Neocons, the gruesome reality is the 1996 and 1999 goals of Full Spectrum Dominance have utterly and completely failed, yet they are incapable of admitting defeat or even beginning a smartly managed retreat to conserve resources. Hell, they can’t even admit the complete unworthiness of the Empire’s military to attain their stated goals.
So, for Mr. McCaul, reality only offers a few choices, the fist and most important of which is to admit reality and then act on what it suggests as prudent–retreat and regrouping–for there’s no way the Empire can take on China, nor should it–again–given reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 20:54 utc | 124

” I’ll grant it to you, yes that list you provided is with Russia, not sending advisors, weapons and mercenaries but designing a new economic system that will put an end to printing funny looking green papers that go mostly to waste, ridiculous weapons and ridiculous financing of idiots to puke in bars like this one.
Posted by: Paco | Mar 12 2023 19:14 utc | 88 ”
You’re so erudite dear Paco, a real intellectual giant. So those nations are allies of Russia but wont help arm or defend it ? Some allies huh ? With the exception of poor Iran, who actually has balls, the other nations are just waiting to see who the winner will be, and the biggest opportunist scum is China.
Russia is suspect also as Iran is slated to receive weapons, yet the deliveries are always perpetually in the future. Which begs the questions, does Russia only have the capacity to produce weapons for itself at the moment or are they stringing Iran along to please their ” partners ” in Israhell.
I look forward to more of your cerebral posts com padre .

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 21:15 utc | 126

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Mar 12 2023 20:34 utc | 119

“Today the Ukrainian society is losing its intellectual, professional and educational potential. Scientists already record absence of children with better-than-average intellect and an increase in the number of children with low and very low intellect in the regions with evident iodine deficiency.”

Interesting. They don’t use iodized salt. May explain the rabid young ideologues that infest western Ukraine. Wonder if they also use leaded gasoline there.
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Mar 12 2023 20:02 utc | 108

Somebody drank the kool-aid. Most nuclear winter models are based on assumptions about the particulate matter emitted from incineration as well as ejections from the blast. That’s preposterous since the entire present day arsenal detonated over hay barns wouldn’t produce as much particulate matter as a handful of coal plants would in a year. (Do the math)

Why don’t you do the math, and enlighten everyone here? A little exposition of particle size, how high it gets into the atmosphere, comparison to major volcanic events, etc. I’m sure that many readers here can cope with a little technical info.

Posted by: Mike R | Mar 12 2023 21:20 utc | 128

Seymour Hersh, the author of the investigation into the sabotage on the Nord Streams, believes that the administration of US President Joe Biden is driven by hatred of Russian President Vladimir Putin and communism.
“I think they are simply driven by hatred for everything connected, in particular, with Putin, as well as communism… They’re not themselves. Because of this, they are doing stupid things,” he said in an interview with the Chinese TV channel CCTV. According to the journalist, US foreign policy is “complete idiocy.”

Posted by: BaNNeD oN THe RuN | Mar 12 2023 21:22 utc | 130

They think the rules don’t apply to them wherever they go..
An AFU soldier, who entered a hotel bar wearing a Ukrainian military uniform, was severely beaten in the German city of Frankfurt.
The incident was reported by the Consul General of Ukraine, Vadim Kostyuk.
“According to our information, on Friday night, our military man walked into the hotel bar in uniform. After several comments from the hotel staff and security regarding his non-compliance with the dress code, there was an altercation and then a fight after an attempt by the security official (a 23-year-old Chechen) to remove our soldier. As a result of the incident, our soldier suffered a broken jaw and concussion. “The police recorded this fact,” the media quotes Kostyuk as saying.
https://twitter.com/GraphicW5/status/1634963405697155072

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 21:27 utc | 132

” “I think they are simply driven by hatred for everything connected, in particular, with Putin, as well as communism… They’re not themselves. Because of this, they are doing stupid things,” he said in an interview with the Chinese TV channel CCTV. According to the journalist, US foreign policy is “complete idiocy.”
Posted by: BaNNeD oN THe RuN | Mar 12 2023 21:22 utc | 130 ”
This is just diversion BS. The US is being turned into a bigger ” Communist ” country then Russia could ever achieve. Of course the US version of it will have all the negatives minus the positives with some of its main tenets being the hatred of the White race , industrial progress, and any independent thinking.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 21:28 utc | 134

https://www.vesti.ru/article/3244664
Decisive battles are coming
Intense fighting is now going on around Artemovsk, near Seversk, behind Kremennaya and in other areas. New anti-tank groups are being formed. They are trained without going far to the rear. Experienced fighters help replenishment to get comfortable.
They answered for Bryansk. On Thursday night, Russia launched a massive retaliatory strike against energy and infrastructure facilities in Ukraine. The Ministry of Defense stressed that this was “a response to the terrorist actions organized by the Kyiv regime in the Bryansk region on March 2.” High-precision long-range air, sea and land-based weapons, including the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system, hit key elements of Ukraine’s military infrastructure. The geography of “arrivals” is almost the entire territory of the country.
Video frames with the results of the strikes immediately appeared on the Web. Here is the Kiev CHPP-5, the largest in the city, on fire. The strikes destroyed the drone bases, disrupted the transfer of foreign weapons, and disabled the repair facilities of military equipment. Russia is persistent and consistent. And a compromise with NATO is impossible, because their goal is the destruction of Russia. And the question is posed exactly as Putin seemed to be joking, but in fact he put it very precisely 10 years ago. For some reason, now I remember. “If not us, then us.”
Visibility in the early morning is poor, but so it is still relatively quiet. Ukrainian soldiers were recently knocked out of this copse, ours have entrenched themselves and are waiting for the enemy to try to recapture him. The enemy positions are about 800 meters from here. This distance is hidden by fog. Along the entire front line, the fighters of the 2nd Army Corps are in full combat readiness. Ready to repel any attempts of the enemy to counterattack.
It is known that German tanks have already arrived at the front. However, so far in battles ours have met only previously familiar samples. The enemy, having received resistance, fire strikes from our side, retreated with losses. Dropped the tech. “Actually, the equipment is working. We will probably take it for ourselves and he will continue to fight,” says one of the Russian military.
The enemy is effectively beaten here, although they are not considered weak. The enemy is equipped, smart and dangerous. Diversionary groups after distracting strikes are trying to pass through the front line. In the forests beyond Kremennaya, our reconnaissance moves beyond the advanced positions, closer to the enemy. Mines, stretch marks are mandatory elements of the front line. There are a lot of “petals” here.
Our reconnaissance detects firing points, including by observing from the air. And corrects blows. The tank of the 2nd Army Corps “takes apart” an enemy dugout. Direct fire.
But the Ukrainian soldiers are fleeing, retreating. And already the artillery of the Airborne Forces beats. The enemy is destroyed. Automatic mortars are also not silent. “Cornflower” strikes at the enemy. The movement of a group of enemies was detected – they are being hit.
Serious men, the situation is combative, and on the chest is a knitted toy. Here it is normal. Helps fight. “My call sign is Raccoon. And my good friend tied it up like a talisman that protects me,” says the military man.
Intense fighting is now going on around Artemovsk, near Seversk, behind Kremennaya and in other areas. New anti-tank groups are being formed. They are trained without going far to the rear. Experienced fighters help replenishment to get comfortable. An experienced battalion commander from the 4th brigade of the 2nd corps says that the main thing is the right attitude. In the recent past, he personally stormed positions – an assault helmet is always with him.
In communication with the fighters, it is felt that decisive battles are approaching, although in some places there is a lull at the front.
* * *
According to the trophies of a group of heavy snipers from the Pacific Fleet, one can trace their combat path in the Yuzhnodonetsk direction. These are Southern dachas on the outskirts of Ugledar. Or rather, what is left of them. Before entering a firing point on the line of contact, information about the operational situation on it must be requested from intelligence. Ukrainian drones are almost continuously working on the line of contact.
The position on the second floor is suitable both for its secrecy and, most importantly, for the breadth of view. And here is the first goal. A sniper with the call sign Second, especially for us, analyzes this combat episode in detail: “The first was to remove the observer, the second – the shooter. Thus, our comrades were allowed to occupy the entire lower street.”
Another goal has been successfully completed. And immediately change the firing point.
While one group of snipers has been working on the line of contact for several days, the other two have been working at the training ground. The training is led by the commander of the heavy sniper group of the Pacific Fleet, Yariy, who has almost two hundred confirmed hit targets. He just returned yesterday from the territory from the Southern Dachas.
Combat helicopters have already set course for a given area. Stormtroopers take to the skies. The course of the mixed air group is to the line of contact in the Yuzhnodonetsk direction. The task today is special: to ensure the rotation of self-propelled artillery mounts, tanks and other armored vehicles in the vicinity of Ugledar.
Some cars are sent for repair. The rest are for regular maintenance. Ten kilometers from the line of contact, ideas that help reduce repair time are especially appreciated. If a special task is set, the repair will be completed in a matter of hours. The base has all the necessary equipment and spare parts. After the repair is completed, armored vehicles are not immediately sent to the troops. First, it is tested at a special test site. For example, the T-80 tank is tested for maneuverability and speed. The column of repaired equipment has already been formed. At night, the cars will be sent to the line of contact near Ugledar.

Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 12 2023 21:35 utc | 136

Some basic truths that the average ignorant Westerner out there doesn’t understand at all:
I think your post points to something that is very important for the US to understand. We have no idea what happened in Russia after 1991. It is almost impossible to find any reliable history/documentation/analysis of what actually happened and the degree to which the disaster was the result of American Policy.
It’s not established if it was general US policy to damage Russia or if was a faction attempting to corrupt otherwise well intentioned US efforts.
But Americans need to understand what happened during that 10 years and the impression it left in the minds of many Russians and the degree to which people in Russia accept that it was Putin who pulled them out of it.
It also says something about the underlying resiliance of Russian society.
Posted by: Dan Farrand | Mar 12 2023 19:42 utc | 99

A few more things to add.
First, economically and geopolitically, there is no objective reason why the USSR had to collapse while the US had to win. It was in fact the opposite.
In the 1970s the West was bankrupt, the world map had more red on it than ever before — Vietnam war had been lost, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Angola, Congo (Brazzavile), Benin, etc. became communist — the West was running out of oil, while the USSR had plenty of resources.
And you know how the 1970s went in the West. Stagflation, deindustrialization, instability, etc.
Meanwhile in the Eastern Bloc the 1970s and the early 1980s were the most prosperous decade. It was a carefree and actually fairly comfortable materially life (despite what the propaganda says).
Again, zero reason for things to turn out the way they did.
But, this is where the evil genius of the dollar being the reserve currency combined with the greed of the Nomenklatura kicked in. Once the gold standard had been abandoned, the US could print as much dollars as it wished, but the Soviets had to export real resources to get those dollars in order to satisfy the internal consumption demands for fancy imported goods (primarily by the Nomenklatura circles). So they willingly fell into the Third world trap. Though even that shouldn’t have brought down the system the way it actually collapsed, but the bigger problem was that the Nomenklatura wanted to transform itself from managers of the vast wealth of the USSR into owners of it, and they could only do that by ditching communism and becoming capitalist. Which they did, deliberately, and made a deal with the West to surrender. It was the most despicable kind of treason imaginable.
This is where the part about prosperity in the West after 1990 being bought at the expense of deprivation in the East comes.
It is very simple — if oil is $20, and it was that for much of the 1990s, you can import a certain amount of goods from the West, while if it is $100, then you can import five times as much for the same amount of oil you export. But if in the same time your local industry is decimated by the “opening” and “liberalization”, then you need to import even more goods from the West, and you have a serious problem. So what do you do? You cut local oil consumption and export the difference, and you also reduce consumption of other goods. Meaning massive impoverishment.
Another stark illustration — in Germany they were keeping their thermostats at 25C all winter because they were getting cheap gas from Russia. Meanwhile in the former Eastern Bloc it was a widespread phenomenon to disconnect your radiators from the central heating system because you couldn’t pay the bills. Many of those radiators have still not been reconnected aside from in Russia itself. But back in the 1970s people were opening their windows in wintertime to let some of the heat out, because it was too hot.
What happened? Much of the gas that was consumed internally in Russia and the gas that was sent as a subsidy to the other Eastern Bloc countries was redirected to Germany and the rest of Western Europe.
So in Western Europe they were warm and comfortable, in Eastern Europe they wore many layers of clothing indoors and stayed cold (to this day nobody knows how many died as a result), and the two things were directly related. Even though the latter side had the resources and the former had nothing.
Getting something for largely nothing…
Then oil prices rose to $100 in the 2000s, on top of that Putin reigned the oligarchs in a bit, reducing cappital outflows, local industry recovered somewhat, and things improved. Of course, the West didn’t like that because now it had to send several times more finished goods to Russia in order to get the same amount of raw resources. Unacceptable.
Second, the extent of the trauma of the 1990s can not be understood if one just looks at the economics.
You have Soviet society prior to that. Meaning ensured employment with zero worry for the future, practically no crime (other than the inescapable amount of rapes and murders that any society will have, but those were dealt with promptly and kept hidden, thus the public didn’t worry about it), no homelessness, no drugs, no prostitution, etc. That starts to change in the late 1980s but still, it’s at a very low level.
Now it should be noted that the KGB was actually heavily involved in drug trafficking from Asia to Europe. It was a key source of foreign currency. But it was generally kept out of local society.
Then the 1989-1991 period comes and from that space age society background you are descending into something quite literally like a zombie apocalypse.
Keep in mind that all of those social ills are normalized in the West. Drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes, homeless, and various other kinds of human refuse have been part of life forever. There has never been a time without them.
But in the USSR you have this society in which they were training kids to be cosmonauts, scientist and engineers and there was none of that, and all of a sudden what happens? You are working as a very advanced engineer on some secret super fancy military project, your wife is an university professor, and within months you are both fired and left with no income, while your son is a heroine addict and is selling everything in the house to buy drugs, while your daughter has become a prostitute. On top of that the defense enterprise your worked at together with half of the industry of the country is shut down and sold for scrap metal, and you are watching both how your personal life has been completely destroyed and how the country that was a superpower until just a few years ago is going down the drain.
That sort of thing. Overnight and through absolutely no fault of your own.
Nobody in the West can understand, because again, that sort of degeneracy was always present there and it has also always been seen as a personal failure and something you deserve.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 21:46 utc | 138

@ Stalinwasagenius, §47:
The kinzhal killed 40 NATO members – who were 80 metres (260 ft) underground!
Is this for real?

Posted by: John Marks | Mar 12 2023 22:21 utc | 140

Time to educate the scientific illiterate “disagreeing” with my comments.
The energy of forest fires per year is is the order of 10^18 joules.
Energy of forest fires in the western USA
And that’s the western united states alone. Not counting other parts of the world.
That’s the same order of energy in 1000 megatons of tnt which is roughly the entire present day global arsenal.
Obviously only a small fraction of that energy ignites flammable material, considering most of the blast goes into space, shielded by metal, concrete or rock before it finds something made of carbon and thus flammable.
There you go, if a nuclear war could cause nuclear winter forest fires would have killed all humans long ago.
I don’t even have to calculate how many particles are required to cover the Earth’s surface. But let’s paint a picture to pour some really hot coffee on a few ignorant commenters here.
The surface area of Earth is in the order of 5^14 m^2. A typical particulate matter (PM) is 2.5 micron in diameter. The surface area is in the order of 10^-12 m^2. So the total volume of PM required to cover the Earth is in the order of 10^12 m^3, converting that to mass with density of carbon, as an approximation, you get the order of 10^15 kg of Particulate matter (not CO2 but PM).
According to this source,
PM2.5 from coal plants a coal plant produces a few grams of PM2.5 per m^3. To get to 10^15 kg you need coal plants emitting about 10^18 m^3 of CO2. That’s 10^21 kg of CO2 emissions for a nuclear winter!
The current co2 emissions 37 billion metric tons or 10^12. You need to multiply the combined fossil fuel emissions by about a billion times to cover Earth’s atmosphere with particulate matter for a nuclear winter.
It’s hard to show a proper calculation on MoA comment sections. You can always ask someone with a degree in chemistry or materials science. This is just basic.
Hopefully, this would convince the rational commenters here that a nuclear winter from nuclear weapons is a myth made for propaganda purposes just to persuade countries to sign the NNP treaty that leave them defenseless against countries who already have nukes.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Mar 12 2023 22:40 utc | 142

@ Dan Farrand, §99:
You´ll get a vivid picture of Russia post-1991 from Alex Krainer´s “Grand Deception” (Red Pill Press, 2018), together with the advent of Putin and its consequences.

Posted by: John Marks | Mar 12 2023 22:58 utc | 144

” Today’s Perevalsk strike is now confirmed to have been carried out with M30A1 GMRLS:
https://twitter.com/dissentralintel/status/1635034722366812161
So this means NATO approved and provided targeting for a strike at a civilian bus stop with anti-personnel rounds, and killed at least 3 and wounded at least 16…
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 22:20 utc | 139 ”
You sound like you’re surprised and this is the first time. The real question is, what will Russia do about it ?

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 23:06 utc | 146

“Syrsky is ethnic Russian… “ Posted by: shadowbanned 62
Are you an Israeli? Do you understand that his name, “Oleksandr Stanislavovych Syrskyi,” has Polish origin, like your Bibi’s real name? No wonder Jewish xenophobes in the US State Department found kindred spirits in Banderites, whose rabid xenophobia is on a par with the supremacist lunacies of Zionists.

Posted by: Cerena | Mar 12 2023 23:10 utc | 148

Well I have no skin in the game, just curious…
500kt bomb = 2000,000 GJ.
Krakatoa affected the climate for a year = about 1000,000,000 GJ
But nuclear bombs are detonated in the atmosphere, so my conclusion is nuclear war would probably not cause mass extinction through freezing.
Posted by: Tim | Mar 12 2023 22:38 utc | 141

Not how it works, it’s not about the energy released, and nuclear bombs are not “detonated in the atmosphere” — you do an air-burst to maximize destruction, but that’s only a few hundred meters high.
The concern is that large nuclear explosions will raise dust and soot all the way to the stratosphere. Which is a problem because this is above the height where rain forms, i.e. it will not be quickly washed out and will remain there for some time.
There is controversy how long that time is and what the exact effects are.
But this is the kind of experiment you absolutely don’t want to ever run in real life to find out what the answer is.
P.S. Again to hammer the point that these aren’t simplistic linear effects function of only one variable, when life nearly went extinct at the P-T boundary, it was caused by volcanoes but it was an extreme greenhouse effect, not cooling. Flood basalts don’t raise soot into the stratosphere the way an explosive Krakatoa-type eruption does, they just pour vast layers of magma onto the surface. And it wasn’t simply because the Siberian Traps were one of the largest flood basalt events ever that the P-T event unfolded, it was because of that and because they burned through gigantic layers of Paleozoic sedimentary deposits, releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. Which set the whole positive feedback loop that resulted in an extreme greenhouse effect to the point of nearly sterilizing the planet (does that remind you of anything that might be happening in the present?).
Contrast that with the largest known igneous province, which is the Ontong-Java plateau — it is 20 times (!) larger than the Siberian traps, but it was entirely underwater in the Pacific and on top of recent oceanic crust, and while it may have played a role in the series of global anoxic events from that period (though that’s hard to figure out precisely because there were several other flood basalt events on land at that time too), it was nothing like the P-T catastrophe.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 23:16 utc | 150

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 21:03 utc | 125
Not sure if anyone has posted these here … so have a look … Kinzhal in flight …
Arthur Morgan – Twitter 1
Arthur Morgan – Twitter 2

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 12 2023 23:25 utc | 152

You sound like you’re surprised and this is the first time. The real question is, what will Russia do about it ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 23:06 utc | 146

I am not surprised and it isn’t the first time. It isn’t the second or third either.
And they will once again do nothing. It isn’t even widely reported in Russia, the more obscure channels cover it, and that’s it.
Some Duma members will call for Zelensky/Zaluzhny’s head when something even more egregious happens, Putin ignores them, more civilians die in the next atrocity, rinse and repeat.
They could have stopped it by issuing an ultimatum that next time something like this happens, there will be decapitation. They never did it.
They would also be fully in their right to take out some of the Western psychos that are ultimately responsible for this — the Lindsey Grahams of the world.
The technical means to do both are readily available.
But Russia has a cucktain-in-chief, so the civilians of the biggest nuclear superpower will continue to be mowed down by outright war crime rocket strikes…

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 23:31 utc | 154

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 12 2023 23:18 utc | 151
RE B52 shenanigans: Some people’s manhood has been sullied. Predictable. Honor must be upheld, see?

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 12 2023 23:35 utc | 156

The current co2 emissions 37 billion metric tons or 10^12. You need to multiply the combined fossil fuel emissions by about a billion times to cover Earth’s atmosphere with particulate matter for a nuclear winter
What does that even mean? Carbon dioxide is a gas, particulate matter is. . . definitely not a gas. This is just word salad. I’m not going to waste time and effort to unpack all the BS in this comment, except to say this all sounds like pseudoscientific BS.
It’s hard to show a proper calculation on MoA comment sections. You can always ask someone with a degree in chemistry or materials science. This is just basic.
OK, ask me. I have an advanced degree in chemistry. And I call BS. Complete, total horsepucky.

Posted by: Mike R | Mar 12 2023 23:35 utc | 158

@ZetaDogg, §159:
Yeh, “some may survive in the southern hemisphere and a very small percentage in the northern hemisphere” – but they´ll wish they hadn´t.

Posted by: John Marks | Mar 12 2023 23:43 utc | 160

The concern troll talks about slow submarine missiles and not enough of the rest.
Should familiarize himself with the enormous variety of Russian submsrines and their missiles systems:
[…]
This is classic concern troll bullshit: come in, make assertions without evidence, speculate further on such assertions, and when debunked, come back the next day and start all over again.
BAN THIS FUCKING CONCERN TROLL, B!
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 23:03 utc | 145

Eat a bag of rat poison. With plenty of rat droppings for flavor.
This isn’t the USSR, which had many more subs than NATO, it is the greatly depleted modern Russia, which has half the number of subs NATO has, and a fraction of NATO’s anti-submarine capabilities. Because the money went into building megayachts for oligarchs rather than the naval fleet, and Putin didn’t do anything to stop it, instead he took pictures on those yachts.
Russia right now it can’t even afford to run AWACS planes on constant patrol, as a result of which ancient non-stealth Tu-141 drones managed to hit its nuclear airbases on multiple occasions.
The US can launch a salvo of 616 cruise missiles just from its four SSBNs that were converted into SSGNs, and on top of that it has a very large surface fleet with many times that capacity.
Plus the SLBMs of course.
What is to stop them if they launch from the Baltic, the Black Sea, the Arabic Sea, the Arctic and the Pacific all at once? Russia was surrounded in the last three decades with precisely that intent in mind.
Other than a pre-emptive first strike before they manage to do it? But with the precious wives and children of the Russian elite not being in Russia but in the West, nobody is going to press that button.
You are the troll here.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 23:47 utc | 162

Syrskyi is definitely not a Polish name as most Polish names end in “cki” or “ski”. Names that end in “sky”, or variations there of, are either Russian, Ukrainian, or Russified Khazars.
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 23:45 utc | 161

He was born in Vladimir Oblast east of Moscow. His father being named “Stanislav” would indeed be much more common for someone of Polish origin, but it is not exclusive by any means.
And his first name of course isn’t “Oleksandr”, it is “Alexander/Александр”.
Ukrainians changed the spelling at some point about 20 years ago, resulting in a lot of “WTF is this? What are these lunatics smoking?” reactions at the time.
E.g. Zelensky’s birth certificate absolutely certainly does not say “Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy”, it says “Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelenski” (transliterated of course)
P.S. Changing people’s real names by fiat used to be very much frowned upon by the defenders of human right and universal values, but in this case nobody pays any attention.

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 23:54 utc | 164

If Moscow lost… Not only its youth would have been sacrificed to lose Crimea and show how a paper tiger was its army in front of the whole world but would have to pay over a trillion of dollars in reparation to Kievan regime as well, all while keeping to get sanctioned and seeing Ukraine to join NATO.
Basically, Russians would become slaves to neo-nazis. Walther von Brauchitsch would have his revenge.

Posted by: Lirk | Mar 13 2023 0:11 utc | 166

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 15:15 utc | 12
Well if 20-30% of vehicles on that last muddy supply route are being destroyed, you must also factor in that every burnt out vehicle blocks the road until it can either be removed or a side trail blazed.
Not very efficient. I watched the clip of the muddy road of death and saw mostly personal light vehicles destroyed.
Not indicative of a professional army. The first tank they try to send is going to be obliterated or sink in the mud and block the road even worse.

Posted by: Chris | Mar 13 2023 0:17 utc | 168

Roger @133–
Thanks for your replies. Yes, millions require reeducation camps where they’ll finally get the education they should’ve received the first time. But it’s not just the politicos and other corporate minions; it’s also the overall public that’s been hypnotized as was suggested by L’il Abner–and recall how old that comic book series and movie are. Same with Pogo. Too few today have any recollection of those excellent counter-narratives and others that were able to stay alive in the comics while being banned elsewhere. Non Sequitur is a modern strip full of truths.
In many ways, we reside in a land of adolescents lacking knowledge and wisdom. And that’s why it’s so difficult for a political critical mass to form capable of making change.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2023 0:31 utc | 170

Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 23:35 utc | 157
Many thanks shadowbanned … much appreciated … impressed the heck out of me though … oh well .. .thanks again …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 13 2023 1:03 utc | 172

@malenkov #167
Their colleagues have to hide as “they cannot handle the truth”
As a European,if despair were an option I’d be in it … I don’t do despair.
On NATO, I hear that Anne Applebaum has expressed a strong interest – her hubby would be thrilled as he re-constitutes the Polish Cavalry!

Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 13 2023 1:05 utc | 174

Some videos for today.
Kiev regime shelling kills father and son in Donetsk:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/donetsk-bus-depot-shelling:1
Russian T-90M Proryv tank in action in special military operation zone:
https://odysee.com/@SputnikInternational:c/T90Proryv:2
Russian Grad launcher pounds enemy position:
https://rutube.ru/video/654b694a91ebee07bec895f41de11106/
Czechs protest against price rises and Kiev regime military funding:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/czechs-protest:9

Posted by: Nate | Mar 13 2023 1:06 utc | 176

Posted by: Lex | Mar 13 2023 0:30 utc | 169
Strange, when I visited Russia in 1994 I asked my hosts how long it would be before there was going to be another revolution. The disparity in wealth was obvious, the transformation of society evident everywhere. I drank toasts with a former submarine captain who was now a security guard, the Westerners I was staying with all could see what was happening. The disastrous assault on Grozny, when I was in Moscow, showed how far the armed forces had sunk, as did the dilapidated outside exhibits at Monino. Even when travelling to the Zagorsk monastery there was an palpable air of desperation, reinforced when we stopped at a restaurant for lunch and saw a group of factory workers singing Soviet workers songs and literally crying for the ‘old days’.
I think it would be more accurate to say most Westerners who visited Russia were there for business and therefore had very little information to make anything more than superficial judgements; though contact with gangsters and corrupt officials certainly tainted their opinion of the country. There were, as I remember, quite a few people warning about this short-term attitude and Russian resentment, but these were swept away the same way that critics of out-sourcing to China were silenced.

Posted by: Milites | Mar 13 2023 1:39 utc | 178

NATO practicing for urban warfare.
In Paris.
and other French cities.
Exercises under the code name “Orion” unfolded on the streets of French cities.
Involving French, British, German, Spanish, Italian and American troops, allowing military operations to be practiced in the city.
Video:
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1635020852885590017/video/1
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1635020852885590017/video/2

Posted by: Irish | Mar 13 2023 1:54 utc | 180

I lean this way too. Do you have any good articles providing details/evidence?
Posted by: Scorpion | Mar 13 2023 0:05 utc | 165
The evidence is exposed/posted here on MoA daily. The lack of decisive action and the silencing and compliance of most countries. I have considered writing an extensive article but I can’t seem to do much more than short compositions. This one was not allowed on Larry’s site.
I live in NW BC Canada and was the editor and publisher of the Terrace Daily, Rupert Daily, Kitimat Daily and started a few other local media. I come at this comment from years of exposing much by true “investigative” reporting. To this topic in particular, Chinas infiltration of our British Columbian Crown ministries by following the bread crumbs left by the Director of CSIS, Richard Fadden in 2010.
Today in Canada, a full dozen years after I was threatened by our government for naming these Chinese operatives holding the most senior roles in forestry and energy mines and resources policy decision making, our main media is now talking about Chinese election interference. To me this is laughable. They have been running Canada by the backdoor likely for decades. It does not matter who is elected, our national policies our already controlled. The dramatic flourishes of threats, insults, taunts and mediocre actions are pure theatre for the masses.
In 2012 the former director of the IMF convinced all member countries to sign an agreement with China to allow that countries senior membership status and their monetary contributions. The agreement was written by China. The same happened in Canada when our former Prime Minister, Harper, signed the Foreign Investment Protection Agreement (FIPA). A one sided agreement which allowed China to bring military hardware onto our soil to “protect” their investments. Harper likely never read the agreement designed for him. Only Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party actually exposed the agreement.
So when I see these comments about Biden threatening China etc, I think back to the last USA election when many were discussing his and Hunters ties to China. Suddenly we’re expected to believe they are adversaries? More theatre for the masses.
If one looks at the administrative control China has taken across the globe one must recognize the brilliant play at the Art of War. Friends with everyone while they infiltrate everything.
I believe the Uke conflict is doing exactly what it was designed to do. Distract all from the masterful work going on behind the scene. Yes the west’s economy will be broken, but more than that, the loss of all individual and national sovereignty will be completed. The WEF plan is Chinas plan. No dissent and no individual rights.
One thing threatened this plan, Canadian truckers at Parliament hill in minus 40 degree weather. Across the globe similar “stop this mandate autocracy” convoys flying Canadian flags began. The next week the SMO in Ukraine started after the AZOV’s were ordered to start attacking the Donbass in earnest. Seems to me a prepared set up. Within days everyone dropped the unifying Canadian flags of civil dignity for the Uke flag of idiocy.
The Psy-Ops work miraculously.

Posted by: MetvRitchie | Mar 13 2023 2:04 utc | 182

psychohistorian @183–
Yes, “in check” is the proper term. Here’s a report about John Bolton sulking, “US ‘sitting still’ amid growing China-Russia influence – Bolton: The former US security adviser has lamented that Washington isn’t doing enough as its enemies strengthen ties with each other.”
As usual, he lies:
““We’re sitting still, and the Chinese, the Russians, Iran, North Korea and several others are moving to shore up their relations and threaten us in a lot of different places.” [My Emphasis]
Russian ships are poised off Hawaii?! Or is it Puerto Rico? Just where is the USA being “threatened” you skunk? What I see are four nations wanting to exercise their sovereign abilities without any impediments, like the illegal ones the Outlaw US Empire tries to impose. What Bolton’s really pissed-off about is the actual slippage of the Empire’s abilities mostly thanks to him and his crew, which includes many of Biden’s people. I’m surprised he didn’t add the Saudis to his short list.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 13 2023 2:32 utc | 184

Latest Douglas Macgregor…on Scott Horton’s interview show.
ONE MILLION RUSSIAN TROOPS marching to the Polish border
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrgIumecLIQ
Now that I’d like to see! LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 13 2023 2:41 utc | 186

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 11-12 Mar 2023⚡️
🔹#Starobelsk Direction:
▪️ In the #Kupyansk sector, the situation has not changed significantly. Artillery duels and mutual reconnaissance continue along the entire frontline.
▪️ In the #Liman sector, the RF Armed Forces managed to dislodge the Ukrainian forces from several small strongholds.
🔹#Lugansk People’s Republic:
▪️ Ukrainian terrorist formations fired HIMARS rockets at the town of #Perevalsk. Three civilians were killed, including a 17-year-old boy. Two children were among seven injured.
🔹#Soledar (#Bakhmut) Direction (MAP):
▪️ Northwest of #Bakhmut, Russian assault squads have broken through the AFU defence near Orekhovo-Vasilyevka, passing through fields to the south of the village and occupying about half of the settlement.
▪️ In #Bakhmut itself, Russian units have improved their positions by expanding their zone of control in the Budenov district.
▪️ In the southwest, the Wagner PMCs advanced near #Krasnoye, cutting key routes from the settlement to #Konstantinovka and #Bakhmut.
🔹#Donetsk Direction (MAP):
▪️ North of #Avdeevka, the RF Armed Forces advanced on Krasnogorovka, a major AFU stronghold. The Russian forces managed to gain a foothold on the eastern outskirts of the village.
➖ The Ukrainian command is moving reinforcements in an attempt to hold the settlement.
▪️ Southeast, Russian units came close to the village of #Kamenka south of Novoselovka II.
▪️ The AFU terrorists subjected populated areas of the #Donetsk agglomeration to indiscriminate shelling. #Yasinovataya, #Makeyevka and #Donetsk were hit by barrel and rocket artillery.
🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:
▪️ The situation in this section of the front is unchanged. Both sides are conducting reconnaissance activities and exchanging artillery strikes.
🔹#Kherson Direction on #SouthFront:
▪️ Artillery duels continue along the entire line of contact. Russian forces hit enemy concentrations in #Kachkarovka, #Kherson and #Kazatskoye.
➖ In turn, the enemy terrorists shelled the left bank of the #Kherson region. Nova Kakhovka was also hit. Several houses in the Sokol microdistrict were destroyed, one woman was killed and several residents were wounded.

https://t.me/sitreports/5725

Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2023 2:47 utc | 188

Empire is in check by the China/Russia axis and declaring bankruptcy of the US is one of the non-nuke ways forward….will it happen?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2023 2:17 utc | 183
I can agree with that last statement in part. As for Scorpion and “you folks”, I follow and belong to no group. I don’t even know what you’re referring to by saying “Scorpion”. As for the financing, like the banks, it’s all fake money anyways, only hold matters. Who has the physical gold wins. The rest of the financial players are cannon fodder.
One thing one might note is China is almost silent on this game except for their recent “peace plan”. They do not need to be vocal or boisterous. They person in the bar to pay attention too is the silent guy sitting in the corner , not the belligerent mouthy ones.

Posted by: MervRitchie | Mar 13 2023 2:52 utc | 190

According to some reports, the enemy intends to concentrate a very large strike force (up to 10 brigades) near Chasov Yar and flank Orkestr with the aim of completely deblocking Bakhmut and defeating the strongest Russian army, and Orkestr is definitely an army.
It seems that this is where the first Leopards are planned to be used and massed with bomber drones. When exactly when the enemy will concentrate the strike fist is still unknown, but apparently Zaluzhnyi has made a serious bet on this counterattack. I believe that the Orchestra will withstand the blow if the Khokhlyas really strike, and the neighbours on the right and left will honourably perform their military duty and help each other as Russian warriors should help each other in battle.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36931

Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2023 2:55 utc | 192

‼️ Russian Army launches massive offensive near Donetsk, AFU threatened in Avdeevka
Ukrainian military analysts are once again sounding the alarm and this time not because of Bakhmut:
▪️”The Russians are stepping up efforts to bypass Avdeevka from the north and west.
▪️ Assaults to the north of the Opytne-Vodyanoye line have especially intensified, and the Russian Armed Forces are registering tactical successes.
▪️ After the capture of Krasnogorovka, they are making a strong offensive, seeking to break through to the AKHZ (north of Avdiivka). Very heavy fighting is taking place.
▪️ There is heavy fighting in Kamenka right now. To the north of the settlement, the Russian army has occupied a wooded area from which it has begun to attack the settlement.”
▪️ “The Avdeevka segment – unfortunately, the Russians managed to enter and consolidate in Krasnogorovka and further south towards Kamianka.
▪️ The attacks on Severnoye continue. Fighting also continues in Marinka,” writes another Kiev military observer.
The Russians are also trying to break through to Pervomayskoye.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36971

Posted by: Down South | Mar 13 2023 2:57 utc | 194

| 188 who continues to ignore the public/private finance issue….you just moved to my ignore list
Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 13 2023 2:57 utc | 191
Please elucidate, don’t run and ignore. Explain how the public/private finance is instrumental in the subjugation of all national and individual sovereignty I believe is at the core of the plan, including this SMO that has us all so divided/focused on?

Posted by: MervRitchie | Mar 13 2023 3:04 utc | 196

@ Dan Farrand | Mar 12 2023 19:42 utc | 99
https://archive.org/details/AGenocideRussiaAndTheNewWorldOrder1999_201511
Pretty dry. But gives the “macro” picture.
One would prefer a juicier history, with casts of characters (domestic and international predators), the more colorful or lurid episodes, and a clear picture of how Team Putin turned things around without shooting a fuckload of people (all well-deserved).

Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 13 2023 3:11 utc | 198

@ ak74 | Mar 12 2023 20:07 utc | 110
Why does everyone always give the Norman English a pass?
Spooky.

Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 13 2023 3:19 utc | 200