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March 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-60
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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re: De-Dollarization Posted by: Exile | Mar 12 2023 14:11 utc | 1 Absolute, incomplete, low-ball KIA(only) 415+ … Translated:
Comment: https://t.me/ukraina_ru/137144 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 12 2023 14:32 utc | 3 live ua is showing the donetsk water plant under russian control. Any of you telegram folks got info? Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Mar 12 2023 14:37 utc | 4 @2 outraged, bahkmut is stalled. Ukrainian reinforcements have stabilized the line there and russia should really, really be ready for anything. Ukraine didnt throw conscripts to tie up Russian troops just for fun, it was for time for a counter strike. Posted by: neofeudalfuture | Mar 12 2023 14:46 utc | 5 Ukraine Cocaine – Interception (Z) – (Open/public Telegram)
Shout-out to @ Oldhippie re your previous thread animation links. Thank you. Ukraine didnt throw conscripts to tie up Russian troops just for fun, it was for time for a counter strike. Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:02 utc | 7 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 12 2023 15:00 utc | 6 Posted by: jo6pac | Mar 12 2023 15:05 utc | 8 It is important for all to remember that the gleaning of facts in war is to establish pattern above all else – evidence that can make predictions. The prediction of the current war in Ukraine is that it will end in world war, and we may already be in the early stages (making it even harder to stop). History does have a constant: wars are fought for power and all empires eventually face the conflict they are trying to avoid. Another constant is: they never see it coming. To change the course of history it is necessary to see its true nature. Posted by: peter mcloughlin | Mar 12 2023 15:06 utc | 9
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https://t.me/sitreports/5709 Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 15:20 utc | 13 Sandu, voievodine of Moldova Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 12 2023 15:21 utc | 14 @peter mcloughlin | Mar 12 2023 15:06 utc | 9
We have a new doomsday troll. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 12 2023 15:21 utc | 15 Hey, Nistad aka Norwegian, how is the winter offensive going for you? Posted by: Fnord73 | Mar 12 2023 15:23 utc | 16 Curios thing is dried peas bags [in] western humanitarian aid to Ukraine… And they are “made in Ukraine”. Aidy aid 😉 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 12 2023 15:27 utc | 17 @Fnord73 | Mar 12 2023 15:23 utc | 16
Snow blower working fine. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 12 2023 15:27 utc | 18
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1634898309247795202 Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 15:28 utc | 19 Reportedly dozens of US/NATO officers killed in big Russian missile strike..https://www.theburningplatform.com/2023/03/12/putin-just-changed-everything-with-this-move-and-nato-cant-do-anything/ Posted by: pyrrhus | Mar 12 2023 15:29 utc | 20 We have a new doomsday troll. Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:29 utc | 21 @Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:29 utc | 21
The Russians will win in 404, that much is clear, and that is not doomsday. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 12 2023 15:34 utc | 22 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Mar 12 2023 15:21 utc | 14 Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 15:34 utc | 23 Ukraine didnt throw conscripts to tie up Russian troops just for fun, it was for time for a counter strike. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 12 2023 15:46 utc | 24 How do you think this will end? Posted by: Passerby | Mar 12 2023 15:49 utc | 26 @ jo6pac | Mar 12 2023 15:05 utc | 8
Meta: seems suddenly a flood of telegram channel posts, hard to keep up/sift through ’em …
By all means, I’ve reserved my best bottle of single malt for that day, but hard to see how the people who run both NATO and EU will simply accept defeat. Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:57 utc | 28 I also think it is likely the end of NATO and EU. Posted by: Nobody | Mar 12 2023 16:06 utc | 29
They also hit the railway near Slavyansk/Kramatorsk. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 16:09 utc | 30 Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:29 utc | 21 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 12 2023 16:10 utc | 31 It seemed like at least half a year since I last saw a Soviet flag. Here is one again: Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 16:12 utc | 32 Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:57 utc | 28 Posted by: Colin | Mar 12 2023 16:13 utc | 33 @5 Posted by: Leonardo | Mar 12 2023 16:13 utc | 34 @ Down South | Mar 12 2023 15:28 utc | 19
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No linked source refs. F6. The “war”/SMO will continue until the objectives are complete and it will be won by China and the WEF. Already we see across the western world the willingly accepted censorship/silence of non-compliant media; social and main. During the “covid” crap it was done and accepted under “health” authority measures. Since the Canadian truckers mass exposure event, the media censorship being implemented by most western nations has come under the threat of “Russian misinformation”. Posted by: MervRirchie | Mar 12 2023 16:21 utc | 36 Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:57 utc | 28 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Mar 12 2023 16:23 utc | 37 SVB Bank failure because of inflation / rising interest rates… but, but, I thought Russia’s economy was collapsing, not ours ! Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Mar 12 2023 16:25 utc | 38 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Mar 12 2023 16:23 utc | 37 Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 16:28 utc | 39 Posted by: MervRirchie | Mar 12 2023 16:21 utc | 36 Posted by: irish al | Mar 12 2023 16:39 utc | 40 Looking at TG reports today, it seems Kamyanka (NE of Avdeevka) and almost Krasnogorivka (N of Avdeevka) are almost taken. They say the Ukrainian defense line north of Avdeevka is nominal or non-existant. But to cut off Avdeevka, they still need Orliivka to the west, after that it’s fields only as a supply route. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 16:40 utc | 41 Syrskyi was the general responsible for the historic Ukrainian victory at Debaltsevo, IIRC. He’s in charge of Bakhmut so it’s probably a good plan, this defending to the last and then attempting a late relief offensive. Posted by: Lex | Mar 12 2023 16:40 utc | 42 It amuses me to see people here refer to the “USA”, the “Collective West” when this is really about a battle for resources between Nation States such as Russia and China and Corporate States acting through their proxies in NATO and the US Military Intelligence Complex. Posted by: Tom Stone | Mar 12 2023 16:48 utc | 43 Christian Chuba no. 38 Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 12 2023 16:50 utc | 44 Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 16:28 utc | 39 Posted by: Milos | Mar 12 2023 16:50 utc | 45 This is not propaganda & not trivial.
@ Lex | Mar 12 2023 16:40 utc | 42 Do you remember the ‘Debaltseve Cauldron’in 2015 when the forces of the Donbass surrounded 20-30000 Ukropa soldiers? When ‘Porky’ Poroshenko ran to mama Merkel & Macron for help stopping his army smashed? This resulted in the ceasing of hostilities as ordered by the deceived Vladmirovich Putin and the ‘Mirsk I Agreement’..Now I know why Putin will not talk to the ‘French midget’at all, he even regrets stopping Givi and Motorolla from finishing off the problem that grew bigger and complex as witnessed by the resistance of the ‘nato trained and equiped 404 army. Posted by: Stalinwasagenius | Mar 12 2023 17:01 utc | 47 As soon as the Russians take control of the road to Khromovo, Bakhmut will begin to gradually turn from a fortress to a big communal grave. Posted by: AI | Mar 12 2023 17:10 utc | 48 Good read, 3 days old. [True?] – Some excerpts:
Posted by: OttoE | Mar 12 2023 17:15 utc | 49 I watched the recently posted Patrick Lancaster video where he catches a ride from the rubble of Soledar down to a village on the edge of Bakhmut and walks around with a couple of Wagner guys. I posted some of this on a forum that is mostly made up outdoor extractive wildlife type of guys (many blue collar types) living in North America so some is already known to MoA people. Posted by: DakotaRog | Mar 12 2023 17:24 utc | 50
If you believe there isn’t going to be world war 3 then you’re not paying attention. Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Mar 12 2023 17:24 utc | 51 @ Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 15:57 utc | 28 Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 12 2023 17:25 utc | 52 Irish MEP Mick Wallace sums up US/NATO – must view – very brief Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 12 2023 17:40 utc | 53
I think I need to polish my crystal ball. I can’t see the things you see in your crystal ball. Posted by: Vikichka | Mar 12 2023 17:41 utc | 54 @ John Kennard #52 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 12 2023 17:42 utc | 55 PS. I don’t think world war 3 will end in human extinction, just a 100 to 400 million dead out for 8 billion . As for the rest of the 7.5+ billion, life goes on after recovery. Posted by: irish al | Mar 12 2023 17:44 utc | 56 Posted by: DakotaRog | Mar 12 2023 17:24 utc | 50 Posted by: Paco | Mar 12 2023 17:45 utc | 57
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/47914 Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 17:51 utc | 58 Mexico has applied to join BRICS+ which now surpasses the G7 in levelized GDP. Posted by: Hermit | Mar 12 2023 17:53 utc | 59 Pyrrhus #20 Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 12 2023 17:59 utc | 60 @Paco | Mar 12 2023 17:45 utc | 57 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 12 2023 18:04 utc | 61
Well, Syrsky is ethnic Russian, and not even ethnic Russian born in Ukraine (which is what the majority of Ukrainians really are), but ethnic Russian born in Russia… Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 18:10 utc | 62 Mariupol was taken within twelve weeks. Posted by: Clémence | Mar 12 2023 18:19 utc | 63 The build up continues. I’d wager all those Abrams tanks streaming into Europe arent meant for the Ukrainians, but keep going slow Russia. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:20 utc | 64
Some basic truths that the average ignorant Westerner out there doesn’t understand at all: Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 18:21 utc | 65 ” Mexico has applied to join BRICS+ which now surpasses the G7 in levelized GDP. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:22 utc | 66 What’s happening in Moldova: Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 12 2023 18:23 utc | 67 ” With all the recording equipment available all the horrors of war are there for the world to see. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:24 utc | 68 A delicious bit of irony.
Now, since ISW is open source intelligence, OSINT, it lists its sources at the bottom of the page. So I scroll down to find links [2], [3], and [4].
So ostensibly independent ISW is a western propaganda machine that is deliberately misrepresenting the Russians. Yeah, I know, everyone is shocked. Now here is the funny bit. The links at the bottom for the Russian sources are all broken. Posted by: team10tim | Mar 12 2023 18:26 utc | 69 Isnt it peculiar how Turkey has gone totally silent since the earthquakes ? Erdoğan seems so humble now. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:27 utc | 70
Mariupol was cut off within a couple weeks of the initial invasion, and that was greatly helped by the fact that it is on the coast. It didn’t have to be surrounded from all four sides. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 18:28 utc | 71 @shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 18:21 utc | 65 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 12 2023 18:29 utc | 72 ” The world is already at war at the economic level. Between the South American countries proposing a continents own currency as alternative to the dollar Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:33 utc | 73 @ Don Firineach | Mar 12 2023 17:40 utc | 53
As quickly as possible ?!
https://t.me/azmilitary11/40602 Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 18:36 utc | 75 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 18:21 utc | 65 Posted by: Paco | Mar 12 2023 18:37 utc | 76 Posted by: MervRirchie | Mar 12 2023 16:21 utc | 36 Posted by: MervRitchie | Mar 12 2023 18:48 utc | 77 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:24 utc | 68 Posted by: Paco | Mar 12 2023 18:48 utc | 78 The thing is, in the grand scheme of things, this war is cheap for Washington, economically and politically. All to do is support Kiev until Russian soldiers leave – Sooner that happens is better but equally training and hardware would take time, that’s going to feel like that’s dragging at points. Especially at times like now when Kievan forces couldn’t do much maneuver warfare due to the mud – Hence a petty city to fight and tie enemy resources up. Posted by: Firebirdharris | Mar 12 2023 18:53 utc | 79 Posted by: MervRitchie | Mar 12 2023 18:48 utc | 77 Posted by: irish al | Mar 12 2023 18:56 utc | 80 “Well, Syrsky is ethnic Russian, and not even ethnic Russian born in Ukraine (which is what the majority of Ukrainians really are), but ethnic Russian born in Russia… Posted by: Lex | Mar 12 2023 18:56 utc | 81 Oh, Merv, it is a very western-centric point you make – where do you see the RoW fitting into your China/WEF vision? Posted by: irish al | Mar 12 2023 18:57 utc | 82 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 12 2023 18:04 utc | 61 Posted by: Elmagnostic | Mar 12 2023 19:06 utc | 83 ” Dear Commissar, you’re truly deplorable, get your StarWars glowing saber and do it is a nanosecond. Its the whole west against Russia, I would say it is remarkable that they are standing and I have no doubt who will be still standing when this pauses because the end it’s not near. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 19:07 utc | 84 @team10tim #69 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 12 2023 19:08 utc | 85 @ Outraged | Mar 12 2023 16:54 utc | 46 Posted by: Don Bacon | Mar 12 2023 19:09 utc | 86 Avdiivka is in the process of being encircled. THIS IS HUGE. Once Avdiivka is liberated, Ukraine will no longer be able to shell Donetsk City. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 12 2023 19:14 utc | 87 Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 18:24 utc | 68 Posted by: Paco | Mar 12 2023 19:14 utc | 88
It will not stop. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 19:21 utc | 89 https://vk.com/wall701885602_62108
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 19:22 utc | 90 mhh I hope Avdiivka, bakhmut and ugledar are not the 3 bones :3 Posted by: Macpott | Mar 12 2023 19:22 utc | 91 Russian Strikes Hammer NATO Command Center? Posted by: GoFast | Mar 12 2023 19:24 utc | 92 @shaddowbanned #90 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 12 2023 19:31 utc | 93
Well, auto-translate is not a Russian, so take that issue with the auto-translate. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 19:33 utc | 94
P.S. this is the person who wrote it: Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 12 2023 19:37 utc | 95 Posted by: GoFast | Mar 12 2023 19:24 utc | 92 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 19:38 utc | 96 @ team10tim | Mar 12 2023 18:26 utc | 69
PS. I don’t think world war 3 will end in human extinction, just a 100 to 400 million dead out for 8 billion . As for the rest of the 7.5+ billion, life goes on after recovery. Posted by: polarbear4 | Mar 12 2023 19:41 utc | 98 @Posted by: shadowbanned | 65 Posted by: Dan Farrand | Mar 12 2023 19:42 utc | 99 I am trying to find recent information about Viktor Imantovich Alxnis. He seems to be a communist who wants to restore the UdSSR, but the last thing you will find about him is the involvement in a “Center for free technology” some 15 years ago. The homepage of this center now leads to a aviaticket page. Posted by: Orgel | Mar 12 2023 19:42 utc | 100 |
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