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March 9, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-58
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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400k? 40k you wanted to say. Ukr,living in the nato parallel world, has hundreds of thousands of cannon fodder left, all thinking they’re winning, of course. You have to credit Russia for a part of that, there’s no war in Ukr, only in Donbass. Posted by: rk | Mar 10 2023 22:29 utc | 301 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 10 2023 21:38 utc | 300 Posted by: Mike R | Mar 10 2023 22:45 utc | 302 00k? 40k you wanted to say. Ukr,living in the nato parallel world, has hundreds of thousands of cannon fodder left, all thinking they’re winning, of course. You have to credit Russia for a part of that, there’s no war in Ukr, only in Donbass. Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Mar 10 2023 22:45 utc | 303 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2023 21:23 utc | 296 Posted by: Paco | Mar 10 2023 23:31 utc | 304 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 10 2023 21:38 utc | 300 Posted by: Milites | Mar 10 2023 23:55 utc | 305 I see the Ukie thread has slowed to a crawl. Maybe this will excite barflies: “Tulsi Gabbard Explains Why US Threw Ukraine Under the Bus by Blaming Kiev for Nord Stream Blasts” while on the Tucker Carlson Show. She explicitly said the Empire did the deed: ““The reality is that [Washington is] responsible for this and there are short term and long term, serious implications for this action.” But Carlson said something even more important: SVB and Silvergate. 2 major banks collapse at the same time last 48 hours. Biggest bank collapse since 2008. Posted by: Comandante | Mar 11 2023 1:14 utc | 307 Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 11 2023 0:44 utc | 308 Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 11 2023 1:19 utc | 308 Richard Medhurst’s take on the New York Times article… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 1:40 utc | 309 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Mar 11 2023 1:47 utc | 310 Scott Ritter on George Galloway’s “MOATS” show discussing the New York Times article…
Scott on the Stephen Gardner Youtube channel…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 1:55 utc | 311 A counteroffensive to relieve Bakhmut, of successful, would be a major victory. But there’s a reasonable chance that Ukraine has one major counteroffensive left and that it probably isn’t ready for it. Nor is this where its patrons want that counteroffensive. There’s nothing strategic from the US perspective about Bakhmut or even Donbass as far as DC is concerned. They want crimea or at least a humiliating severing of the land bridge. Posted by: Lex | Mar 11 2023 2:02 utc | 312 The recent wave of RF missile-strikes against American Ukraine seems to’ve focused largely as usual on electrical infrastructure, does not seem to’ve been keyed to any RF ground-operation, and RF MOD itself stated it was retaliation for the recent attacks on civilians in the pre-SMO RF, dubbed (properly for once) terrorist, by “pro-Ukrainian groups.” Posted by: John Kennard | Mar 11 2023 2:26 utc | 314 Andy from west England, I believe you have inadvertently become my best friend. Anyhow, the fog of war is a bit thick right now, funny to see the ukro minister of defense claiming exactly what the Russians are claiming……. That Russia is now losing all its heat troops……. Well, smo and war are different… I’m pretty sure russias army is bigger than 300,000 new conscripts….. and they’re fighting the nato war machine. I absolutely do not want this to happen, but it would be interesting to see Russia actually go to war, instead of this methodical chess game…… Posted by: Master g | Mar 11 2023 2:41 utc | 315
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36609 Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 3:03 utc | 319 Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 2:58 utc | 320
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36636 Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 3:07 utc | 320 this is a funny comparison of t90 v leopard 2 tanks. just the commentator gets a laugh for his persona. but anyway will lighten your day Posted by: hankster | Mar 11 2023 3:13 utc | 321 karlof1@308….Merkle didn’t need to say anything, not a word. But she chose to speak out. She did Putin a big favour, put the icing on the ‘non agreement capable’ west cake. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Mar 11 2023 3:47 utc | 322 With respect to ‘the counter-offensive’ it is reasonable to believe that the Ukr military leadership will be focused on the battle front west of the Bakhmut urban area where highly-contested battles continue …… might this not be a good opportunity to double the Russian forces there for a conclusive end to the urban Bakhmut cleansing? Posted by: chet380 | Mar 11 2023 3:53 utc | 323 I’ve been in Lavre, and in the catacombs beneath, where there are many alcoves from previous centuries. Only able to visit with candlelight. One of the most spiritual experiences of my life! If Ukraine is ever reconstituted as a viable country, the common people will never forgive this travesty. My misguided Ukrainian friend says this is necessary, because they have Russian influence. Total BS and unconscionable! Posted by: Wilhelm | Mar 11 2023 4:38 utc | 324 Driezin Report is tipping a major counteroffensive from the Ukies:
That’s all there is plus a string of comments where Driezin is uncertain of when ‘maybe next week”. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 11 2023 4:43 utc | 325 Who in their right mind would believe the Ukraineian general staff would post their war plans to the general public? Posted by: Joe | Mar 11 2023 4:49 utc | 326 # 322 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 11 2023 4:55 utc | 327 Posted by: Trycep | Mar 9 2023 22:21 utc | 147 Posted by: Colin | Mar 11 2023 5:22 utc | 328 Posted by: Bill Smith | Mar 10 2023 1:21 utc | 181 Posted by: Colin | Mar 11 2023 5:30 utc | 329 Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 10 2023 1:48 utc | 190 Posted by: Colin | Mar 11 2023 5:32 utc | 330 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 11 2023 4:43 utc | 327 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 6:06 utc | 331 Posted by: chet380 | Mar 11 2023 3:53 utc | 325 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2023 6:18 utc | 332
Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 7:23 utc | 333
https://t.me/azmilitary11/40478 Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 7:27 utc | 334
https://t.me/azmilitary11/40480 Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 7:28 utc | 335 Posted by: Paco | Mar 10 2023 23:31 utc | 306 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2023 8:15 utc | 336 # 337 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 11 2023 8:22 utc | 337 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 11 2023 4:43 utc | 327 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2023 8:23 utc | 338 Jebus wept. Posted by: Paul | Mar 11 2023 8:23 utc | 339 #337 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 11 2023 8:32 utc | 340 I posted 2 posts with a similar thought upshot. Posted by: Dingo | Mar 11 2023 8:36 utc | 341 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 11 2023 8:22 utc | 339 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2023 8:51 utc | 342 # 344 Posted by: Dingo | Mar 11 2023 9:07 utc | 343 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2023 8:23 utc | 340 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 9:16 utc | 344 Posted by: Paul | Mar 11 2023 8:23 utc | 341 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 9:26 utc | 345 The US and Ukraine were the only two countries that opposed a UN General Assembly vote on condemning the NAZI ideology. It is no wonder that the US White House bestowed the International Women of Courage Award on Yulia Paevskaya, who goes by the nickname ‘Taira’ who is a member of the Azov Ukrainian nationalist battalion. Posted by: ak74 | Mar 11 2023 9:35 utc | 346 Schweinisch Bandera-Reich (Bandera Pig Regime) is Ukraine’s new unspeakable name. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 11 2023 9:41 utc | 347 https://sonar21.com/how-could-western-intelligence-have-got-it-wrong-again-they-didnt-they-had-other-purposes/ Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2023 9:54 utc | 348
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36714 Posted by: Down South | Mar 11 2023 10:03 utc | 349 @uncle tungsten | Mar 11 2023 9:41 utc | 349
😎 That’s responding to Zelensky spending his time suggesting Russia to be renamed to ‘Moscovia’. You would think he had more pressing things to attand to, but nooo…. Zelensky should obviously lay off the cocaine. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 11 2023 10:10 utc | 350 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 10 2023 21:23 utc | 296 Posted by: Paco | Mar 11 2023 10:12 utc | 351 It looks like no more supplies to the trapped UAF: Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 11 2023 10:27 utc | 352 I don’t want to live in interesting times. NATO are talking about their forces in Ukr again. Georgia is revolting again. US banks defaulting – again. On top of all this there’s over 30% excess mortality in Germany since the jab. Posted by: Inki | Mar 11 2023 10:37 utc | 355 Posted by: Milites | Mar 11 2023 10:50 utc | 354 Inki | Mar 11 2023 10:37 utc | 355 Posted by: john | Mar 11 2023 10:57 utc | 355 “Do you think Russia’s latest use of the Kinzhal was intended to make the world hold its breath? Because that would be really strategic, wouldn’t it?” Posted by: not-listened-analyst | Mar 11 2023 11:07 utc | 356 Here a blatant proof of how the West plunders and loots Ukraine https://www.vesti.ru/finance/article/3243723 Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 11 2023 11:44 utc | 357 @not-listened-analyst | Mar 11 2023 11:07 utc | 358
I don’t believe Kinzhals are used for testing and/or against random targets. They were used already a year ago with extremely high precision against the mercenary camp in western Ukraine. There must be some real reasons why they are used now. I would like to know some specifics. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 11 2023 11:49 utc | 358 Norwegian | Mar 11 2023 11:49 utc | 360 @Stonebird | Mar 11 2023 11:58 utc | 361
That is a plausible guess, I agree. It is still curious why we have no facts at all. Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 11 2023 12:10 utc | 360 The big thing about the R-37M is the range — up to 400 km. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 11 2023 12:32 utc | 361
Kinzhals exist in order to launch an unstoppable nuclear first strike on NATO installations in Europe and as a secondary purpose to be used as bunker busters. There was no first strike attack, so some bunkers were indeed busted given that even the Russian MoD acknowledged Kinzhals were used. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 11 2023 12:33 utc | 362 Wow, this is really something. He won’t get an Oscar but this is some film. Prigozhin answers some questions while touring Artyomovsk, its to long to translate but there is a couple of things that really impress, first asked about political ambitions, yeah, I’m comming out he says in staged broken English, my political comming out, yes I have political ambitions I’m announcing my candidacy por president of…… UKRAINE, Poroshenko and Zelensky get ready for the campaign. Another woser, asked about corruption schemes as a business man in 2017 and 2018, there is no businessman in Russia that does not participate in corruption schemes, but don’t worry, those are secrets that will go with me to the grave. Posted by: Paco | Mar 11 2023 12:50 utc | 363 This a quick unedited machine translation of the questions posed.
Posted by: Paco | Mar 11 2023 12:56 utc | 364 Posted by: Paco | Mar 11 2023 12:56 utc | 366 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 11 2023 13:58 utc | 365 Viewing Ukr. comments on Slavyangrad, I am disgusted by their passivity. They ‘hope’ their leaders know what’s going on in Bakhmut. They call it a meat grinder and ‘suspect’ they’re being lied to. It’s as if they meekly object but obediently march off to nearly certain death. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 11 2023 14:14 utc | 366 There’s no logic, it’s just a clickbait story. Why would natoids live in bunkers inside Ukr when they can party outside in Poland? Or even in Kiev, where there’s no war. Hypersonics were probably used for tests against nato radars or whatever weapons they brought there. Why waste multiple drones and other missiles to saturate then destroy the target when you can use a single one and make fun of nato at the same time? Talking basement heads of youtube think 6 is a large number. They used to launch more in the past years doing training or useless demonstrations for nato, 6 is nothing. Posted by: rk | Mar 11 2023 14:36 utc | 367 Aleks at Black Mountain Analysis has a new update out. He claims the Odessa moment may have already happened. Posted by: morongobill | Mar 11 2023 14:57 utc | 368 Posted by: morongobill | Mar 11 2023 14:57 utc | 370 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2023 15:27 utc | 369 I dunno about Odessa. His analysis completely depends on the total collapse of Ukr forces, including whatever they have left in the Odessa area. Failing that, Odessa looks difficult to approach. OTOH, the UKR. defense of Bakhmut is a gift to Russia delivering up opposing males to be eliminated with great convenience. Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 11 2023 15:32 utc | 370 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 11 2023 15:32 utc | 372 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2023 15:46 utc | 371 Here’s something funny from al jazeera: Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 11 2023 15:57 utc | 372 The fact that the Zelensky clown brigade keeps changing their story tells me that they have no discipline. And that yhey’re liars extraordinaire, which we already knew. Posted by: Chris | Mar 11 2023 16:05 utc | 373 Like Biden gives him a hundred billion now Zelensky tells him to piss up a rope. I can’t even imagine what that relationship is. What can it possibly mean? Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 11 2023 16:10 utc | 374 I found this a bit strange: Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 11 2023 16:19 utc | 375 Podolyak et.co. are pathological liars and psychopaths, but eventually it comes down to saying anything that they think can contribute to the Sugar daddy giving more money. The thing is, Ukrainian administration and officials get to skim off ridiculous amounts of money either directly or indirectly through sales of weapons or other items, off the top. They all have very expensive cars and villas or luxury condos on the French, Italian and Spanish Mediterranean coast. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 11 2023 16:21 utc | 376 @369 Posted by: ChrisFromGA | Mar 11 2023 16:30 utc | 377 @379 lets not forget kieviens drafted and killed at the front. Ukrainian videos after the strikes show almost all women and old people. There ain’t no military age men around. They’re serving or dead. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 11 2023 16:43 utc | 378 AVIS:NOTICE: To All Bar Patrons.
Ze the cokehead, is a loser who can only “think” the trivial while his people are trussed into the meat grinder. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 11 2023 16:52 utc | 379 Re. Post by: Chris on Mar 11 2023 @ 16:05 utc | 375 Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Mar 11 2023 17:14 utc | 380 Dingo @342 Georgia’s biggest problem is it’s geographical location. Detached from Europe and sandwiched between Russia and Turkey. Most likely they will try to use the Ukraine model i.e provoke Russia into attacking and hope the West sends money and weapons. Posted by: dh | Mar 11 2023 17:44 utc | 381 Patrick Lancaster has a new video up from the outskirts of Bakhmut: Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 11 2023 18:01 utc | 382 Likklemore | Mar 11 2023 16:52 utc | 381 Posted by: paddy | Mar 11 2023 18:06 utc | 383 ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 11 2023 16:19 utc | 377 Posted by: paddy | Mar 11 2023 18:16 utc | 384 SVB Bank collapses. 200 million dollars GONE POOF. Posted by: Comandante | Mar 11 2023 18:22 utc | 385 Ah, Comandante, but crypto is indeed a scam. It’s just that fiat, even when backed by the threat of destruction to all who refuse to accept it, isn’t much less scammy. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2023 1:17 utc | 387 Oh, and most bank “investment” (recte: speculation) schemes are of course scams from the word go. Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2023 1:21 utc | 388 silicon valley bank could not meet demands to cash out to some of their depositors. Posted by: paddy | Mar 12 2023 1:48 utc | 389 paddy @ 391
The 23 trillion dollar question! Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 12 2023 11:06 utc | 390 If this develops into a full-scale financial crisis, which could happen quickly, there will be no stomach in the US Congress for sending money or anything else to Ukraine. The extra food stamps that were provided during the Covid crisis was just discontinued. The average family is losing $95 a month, and food lines are developing. People will very quickly become intolerant of giving money to Ukraine, and Congress will reflect that. This war could be winding down very soon. Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Mar 12 2023 12:32 utc | 391 @Udkanten | Mar 9 2023 21:16 utc | 105 Posted by: Hermit | Mar 12 2023 18:09 utc | 392 |
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