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March 7, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-56
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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So, since Washington runs on election time how do you think the Neocons are gonna wrap this up in two years? Or do they escalate it to keep themselves in as war party? Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 3:22 utc | 101 The Deep State is discovering the (obvious) narco-terrorist regime in Mexico. The Atlantic, the Wall Street Journal are pushing hostility towards Mexico, and it’s reported that Miss Lindsay in the Senate wants to authorize military action Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 3:27 utc | 102 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 8 2023 2:42 utc | 85
Yes, unfortunately these “things” did not turn out anyway .. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 3:36 utc | 103 @ Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:35 utc | 83 Posted by: malenkov | Mar 8 2023 3:36 utc | 104 Melaleuca @ 73 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 8 2023 3:43 utc | 105 Samantha Power and USAID bringing freedom and democracy to Georgia…how grateful Georgians will be!?#$@ Posted by: Irish | Mar 8 2023 3:44 utc | 106 BREAKING NEWS: Posted by: Irish | Mar 8 2023 3:47 utc | 107 Eighthman @ 98 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 8 2023 3:50 utc | 108 Latest Duran live stream with Gonzalo and Brian Berletic… Not going to watch it myself because I’m so tired of hearing the word “Bakhmut” that I could puke. Call me when the city has finally fallen and all the Ukrainians in it are dead. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 3:55 utc | 109 Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 8 2023 3:14 utc | 98
Yes, it’s not only getting interesting, but could be a “new?” localized conflict to the US-Texas frontier defense guys? Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 4:03 utc | 110 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 8 2023 3:43 utc | 105 Posted by: ZimZum | Mar 8 2023 4:04 utc | 111 ZimZum | Mar 8 2023 4:04 utc | 111 Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 8 2023 4:08 utc | 112 Posted by: ZimZum | Mar 8 2023 4:04 utc | 111
Agree, That’s a bit confused to think really to escape from that possible around current scenario areas. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 4:19 utc | 113 I’m not sure what your point is, but I have a feeling that b doesn’t want people to discuss Covid on MoA. I am not sure why, but I suspect that it was before my time; must have been a knockdown, drag out on MoA. Posted by: Organic | Mar 8 2023 4:24 utc | 114 spare_truth @ 113 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 8 2023 4:32 utc | 115 It is a fact that EVERYONE who has taken the so called COVID vaccine will be dead within 5 years . If Putin were truly a good human being, he would have alerted the world population to not take the so called Covid vaccine. Posted by: paracetamol | Mar 8 2023 4:33 utc | 116 Posted by: Organic | Mar 8 2023 4:24 utc | 114 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 4:34 utc | 117 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 4:34 utc | 117 Posted by: Hmpf | Mar 8 2023 4:45 utc | 118 At any given time, the current Ukrainian Government is only 1 bad US House of Representatives hearing away from collaps Posted by: Hot Carl | Mar 8 2023 4:46 utc | 119
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 4:48 utc | 120
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36306 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 4:59 utc | 124 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 8 2023 4:32 utc | 115…
Do not really understand what that means. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 5:02 utc | 125
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 5:03 utc | 126 @ Richard Steven Hack 38 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 8 2023 5:36 utc | 127 “It is a fact that in most countries at least 5% of those who did not take the vaccine will be dead within 5 years.” Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Mar 8 2023 5:39 utc | 128 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 5:03 utc | 126
What to answer to that? Is the MSM consumer so stupid to that a remark from the Piano-Cock-Player? I couln’t understand herto anymore objectives/issues. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 5:45 utc | 129 If ever there was an opportunity for a chemical weapon false flag by USUKIS its here in Bakhmut. The stage is set, the bait for “””””” Russian brutality and criminality Red lines “””””” would be swallowed hook line and sinker by Western publics. And unfortunately Biden has 0 % of Trump’s savviness about being duped. Posted by: Giyane | Mar 8 2023 5:54 utc | 130 Where is karlof1 with his Putin/Russia reporting and good contextualization of this mess? Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 8 2023 5:57 utc | 131 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 5:03 utc | 126 Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 6:03 utc | 132 Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 8 2023 6:11 utc | 133 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 5:03 utc | 126
If he (Elenski) never heard anything like that, that’s a real wrong -180 degree turn-around that the German AD-Minister(in) Baerboecchen is not being able this to do. Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 6:20 utc | 134 Apparently there’s a color revolution attempt in Georgia. Bet they have snipers in place somewhere, it could get ugly fast. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 6:48 utc | 135 For twitter accounts with Georgia vid and reports, try this: Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 6:59 utc | 136 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 7 2023 21:21 utc | 26 Posted by: Alchemist | Mar 8 2023 7:22 utc | 137 The now new US fantasy about N1/N2 Posted by: mo3 | Mar 8 2023 7:43 utc | 138 The Americans had to react and invent a story! Posted by: mo3 | Mar 8 2023 7:54 utc | 139 Prigozhin with his illustrated punk style announces that all the eastern part up to the river in Artyomovsk is under Vagner’s control. At the same time and unfortunately for non Russian speakers he answers with a video a question by non other than the “hero” of the day, the NewYorkTimes, hopefully the transcript will appear soon but with his very particular style he evoques the 300 spartans and the three mounted heroes of Russian folklore, he asks Zelensky to let the old men and children to leave Bakhmut-Artyomovsk and to send the thousands of troops he deployed in other parts of the front so as to deal with one another as true fighters do. You’re for democracy, we are for justice, he is touching the deepest nerve of Russian spirit. Prigozhin will join the Kotovsky and bandit fighters legend of the Russian bolshevik revolution, he is up to it. Posted by: Paco | Mar 8 2023 8:22 utc | 140 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 8 2023 3:43 utc | 105 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 8 2023 9:21 utc | 141
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36332 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 9:24 utc | 142
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 9:30 utc | 143 Military expert Boris Rozhin (C. Cassad) on the situation in the Artemovsk direction for the evening of March 07, 2023 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 10:09 utc | 144
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 10:47 utc | 145 “It is a fact that in most countries at least 5% of those who did not take the vaccine will be dead within 5 years.” Posted by: Laconic | Mar 8 2023 11:54 utc | 146 Laconic @ 146 Posted by: Mark2 | Mar 8 2023 12:19 utc | 147 Translated:
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Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 12:36 utc | 150 In other news, another double envelopment is progressing, threatening Avdiivka city, Donbas … may be someone would care to comment in detail: Posted by: AG | Mar 8 2023 13:07 utc | 152 Interesting accent for this speaker of English in command (just doing a lot of shouting) of a retreating Ukrainian unit at Bakhmut. Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 13:16 utc | 153 AFU formations routinely attrited beyond loss of combat-effective/capable status (-30% strength) to almost destruction (-70% strength), kept in the line, without rotations out or effective reinforcement for 5 months plus. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 13:27 utc | 154 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 13:27 utc | 154 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 13:29 utc | 155 @ Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 13:16 utc | 153
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/47263 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 13:49 utc | 157
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/47291 Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 13:57 utc | 158
Posted by: Down South | Mar 8 2023 14:03 utc | 159 @ unimperator | Mar 8 2023 13:27 utc | 154 AG @152: “may be someone would care to comment in detail: Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 8 2023 14:15 utc | 161 “We know in retrospect from macaroon’s own claims that he never intended to honor the Minsk Agreements.” Posted by: laguerre | Mar 8 2023 15:06 utc | 162 Mexico Posted by: migueljos | Mar 8 2023 15:09 utc | 163 Quelle: Posted by: Oberbayer | Mar 8 2023 15:18 utc | 165 @William Gruff 163 Posted by: AG | Mar 8 2023 15:20 utc | 166 Bahkmut update: east of the river is tactically retreated by the Ukrainians. But they have pushed Wagner away from kromove and so have 2 roads into west bahkmut open and are retrenching there having forcibly removed almost all civilians. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 8 2023 15:33 utc | 167 @Neofeudal: Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 15:40 utc | 168 @ Mo3 140 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 8 2023 15:41 utc | 169 The encirclement of Avdiivka continues apace. Accelerates even. Posted by: too scents | Mar 8 2023 15:45 utc | 170 From Weeb Union Youtube update 3/08, commenter: Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 15:48 utc | 171 Posted by: William Gruff | Mar 8 2023 14:15 utc | 163 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 8 2023 15:50 utc | 172 Has anyone considered the possibility that all these rumors of dissension between Wagner and the regular Russian forces are deliberate disinfo, designed to lure the coked-out clown Zelensky into a trap? Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 15:50 utc | 173 @175 yes, of course it is considered and continuously evaluated. However when watches what the hands do and not what people say, like russian mod updates, there does seem to be friction. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 8 2023 15:56 utc | 174 Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 15:50 utc | 175 Posted by: TheHiddenMonk | Mar 8 2023 15:57 utc | 175 @ Chris 175 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 8 2023 15:57 utc | 176 Around Bakhmut, the Russians just need to stay focused on that gap in the encirclement to the west. If the commenter I quoted above on Weeb Union’s update is right, they’ve already turned it into a “highway of death” or more like a “muddy, backroad of death.” 24/7 surveillance, and with the mud season upon them, there is no credible threat of the UFA moving in heavy vehicles to punch through. Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 16:09 utc | 177 The Russian Aerospace Forces are destroying the positions and base of the 110th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, supporting the offensive on the front near Avdeevka Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 16:24 utc | 178 @ Posted by: migueljos | Mar 8 2023 15:09 utc | 165 Posted by: fnord | Mar 8 2023 16:45 utc | 179 NATO‘s strategic goals this year are to 1) destabilize the periphery of the RF and 2) get neutrals back to hating Russis Posted by: Exile | Mar 8 2023 17:05 utc | 180 NATO‘s strategic goals this year are … Posted by: too scents | Mar 8 2023 17:44 utc | 181 Perhaps people who believe the Ukrainians are going to counter-attack and break the encirclement of Bakhmut should be known as solsticeites. Posted by: Milites | Mar 8 2023 18:04 utc | 182 Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 16:09 utc | 179 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 8 2023 18:15 utc | 183 Military Summary speculates that UAF might try an attack SE of Konstantinovka towards Gorlovka, and/or an attack from south of Seversk toward Yakolivka (although this is less likely because they have mined that approach) or towards Krasnopolivka. Whatever it is, it might be happening within a month but more likely sooner. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 19:13 utc | 184 What they are talking about on the Russian talk shows today: full war mobilization!
Mar 8 2023 19:49 utc | 187 Posted by: paddy | Mar 8 2023 20:22 utc | 186 Posted by: paddy | Mar 8 2023 20:22 utc | 188 Posted by: Milites | Mar 8 2023 20:55 utc | 187 I posted this the other day near the end of the open thread so I thought it worth reposting. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 8 2023 21:07 utc | 188 Mar 8 2023 20:55 utc | 189 Posted by: paddy | Mar 8 2023 21:29 utc | 189 Posted by: paddy | Mar 8 2023 20:22 utc | 188 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 21:35 utc | 190 Long and involved report on the balance sheet of the Fedetal Reserve Bank. Net, Net for the first time since 1915 the bank has lost money on realized transactions. Even more shocking is the Fed has unrealized losses of more than $1 trillion Posted by: Exile | Mar 8 2023 22:11 utc | 191 Situation in Georgia seems to be escalating with protestors again trying to storm parliament. Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 8 2023 22:19 utc | 193 I know a bit about the ‘fragile’ nature of the F-16, as I worked with a guy who had been ground crew for IAF F-16’s, 80’s vintage though. What I was wondering was the geographic location of their base, and the Russian likely response if it’s outside of Ukraine. Posted by: Milites | Mar 8 2023 22:29 utc | 194 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 8 2023 21:35 utc | 192 “AWACS in Belarus can see those F-16 coming far away” Posted by: Bill Smith | Mar 8 2023 22:32 utc | 195 @ Melaleuca, #155, @ Outraged, #158 Posted by: DakotaRog | Mar 8 2023 23:05 utc | 196 Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 4:03 utc | 112 Posted by: rjb1.5 | Mar 8 2023 23:15 utc | 197 the pessimist #195
odd how the Open Society concept, discussed by Karl Popper that Soros and NED love to worship, is not so good in Georgia. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 8 2023 23:26 utc | 198 @ paddy | Mar 8 2023 20:22 utc | 188 & 191 44….81 Posted by: Jo | Mar 8 2023 23:46 utc | 200 |
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