Ukraine Open Thread 2023-56
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Posted by b on March 7, 2023 at 17:59 UTC | Permalink
next page »I just watched "To The Lake" a Russian apocalyptic plague television show. Quite well made, and plenty of TnA. Made me think of this essay...:
On The Utter Failure Of Xi
Perhaps Xi is a success, if his goal is to destroy the PRC, as the PRC destroyed his family. Maybe his is a revenge plot to use the ugly party apparatus against itself? Perchance.
If he is a genuine megalomaniac dictator like Putin, however, he has betrayed the hope of a much abused China, and made an enemy of the world.
As China fueled the war in Ukraine with its assurances to Russia, it made a pact with its main strategic enemy. China desperately wants full use of Lake Baykal, and would be happy to have access to the gas and other assets of the Russian Empire’s East. While China’s main objective in supporting Russia was the desire to bloody America’s nose, and weaken western alliances, the silver lining of Russia’s utter military failure is a weak and desperate Russia, with no resource save nukes to stop China doing whatever it desires. Yet with Russia so weakened, and with only one meaningful “friend”, China will only need to use money to get what it wants. Yet, very soon it is possible the Yuan will be worth nothing at all, and the PRC will be torn apart.
Or they will lock down like North Korea.
So will the Russian East go under PRC domination? Or will Russia realign with the West, after ridding themselves of their hapless leader and his incompetent gang?
China had a bright if polluted future. Now, it is a pariah held in less esteem than Russia. Its people, ignorant slaves. Its government, clumsy brutes who have alienated all of their neighbors. China now has to face India, Japan, Korea, (I count N. Korea as part of PRC IMAO) Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand, Indonesia, the Philippines, the U.S., and a newly armed E.U.
They can dream of friends in Saudi Arabia or Brazil, but that is all part of the trap, is it not? Like Russia thinking they have friends in Turkiye, or anywhere, what simpletons. No, Russia and China can count on Zimbabwe and Venezuela for all the help they can give. Maybe Belarus?
In the great game, China and Russia moved too soon. Xi’s egomania, and Putin’s ass licking of him, led to the Olympic delay, and the loss of favorable conditions for the attack on Kyiv. (Though, of course, Xi could just be trying to destroy the PRC, and if so, more power to him.)
Was the American’s absurd ugly withdrawal from Afghanistan the final baited hook? It is hard to believe Russia and the PRC could be so foolish. The U.S. can bring more force to bear anywhere on earth than either Russia or China can bring in their own lands. Between Russia and China they have one operable oil fueled aircraft carrier. America has eleven nuclear. Nato has another three. Go nuclear, humanity dies. Stay sub-nuclear, the U.S. wins. The brutal U.S. war machine has forgotten more about operational tempo than Russia and China will ever know.
For years the whole world has been fawning at Russia and PRC for business. Then Xi fed fentanyl to junkie America, which the Trumpeter called him on. Then Xi broke the deal and raped Hong Kong. Xi backed Russia’s play in Ukraine, and enraged Islam. Their last hope to shift the world order, a “terrorist” nuke near the U.N. headquarters, and a call to move the organization to Africa? Won’t work. Now, the whole world awaits the fall of revolting and failed governments of ugly and sad, once great, societies. (Something the U.S. beast never was, savvy?) Both nations could be great again, could enter a golden age of art and culture and freedom, but they better put down their weapons, and their rabid dogs, fast.
Mother Earth can take no more silly human nonsense.
Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2
In case you havent heard:
"Bakhmut: Ukraine’s top generals want to bolster the defenses of the embattled city, signaling that they would pursue a strategy of bleeding the Russian army in a battle of attrition rather than retreat."
Hehehe, didnt expect the MSM to turn then saw around and cut with the blunt part lol.
Posted by: Jzo | Mar 7 2023 18:44 utc | 3
History legends had a decent (he does have an ego) on things that went wrong for RF in Ugledar . Incremental change at best these days.
UKR highlights the utter shite show of the consequences of having the head of the government dictate strategic goal. It would be a huuuge mistake for RF to take out Zelensky. Tens of thousands have died and tens of thousands more will die because he eschews tactical retreats.
The RF military and Prigozhin and Ritter, McGregor all have different numbers, how many soldiers are there still in Bakhmut? 3,000? Prigozhin says 12-20,000 (with a F-tonne of ammo). The video on Slavyangrad and Debushka telegrams of what might be BMP slogging through the mud and going around, by dozens of destroyed vehicles shows how limited is transport going either way to Chasiv Yar.
What caught my eye was a new tactic for UKR of mining buildings they abandoned on E side of Bakhmut river and using drones to wait until clearing units arrive and detonate when they enter. Definitely going to slow down Wagner there until countermeasures are implemented.
But in the end logistics is the other queen of war and the UKR forces will run out of fuel, ammo and food in Artemyevosk. Neither side writes about numbers of civilians in embattled cities or towns. My heart does not bleed for them, but it does weep.
Spelling, well, I just want to vent.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Mar 7 2023 18:51 utc | 4
Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu via Sputnik:
Russian Defense Ministry Sergey Shoigu has said that NATO's increased arms supplies to the Kiev regime won't bring Ukraine success on the battlefield."The support of the Kiev regime by NATO countries does not lead to the success of Ukrainian troops on the battlefield. On the contrary, there is a significant increase in losses among the personnel of the Ukrainian armed forces," Shoigu said at a meeting with the Russian armed forces' leadership on Tuesday.
In February alone, Ukraine's losses increased by more than 40% month-on-month and exceeded 11,000, the minister added.
Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 7 2023 18:56 utc | 5
@ Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2
Yes, Russia is caught in the middle. Any member of a group of three is possibly subject to the aggressions of wither of the other two. If major escalation between US/NATO and Russia is inevitable, then it is in China’s long term interests to allow both sides to weaken each other.
Given Churchill’s & Roosevelt’s multiyear reluctance to open a second front in Europe during WWII, Putin and Russian leadership are aware of the perils of Chinese incursions into Siberia and increased Chinese influence in the “stans” countries.
Yet the existential threat long posed by US/ NATO leaves Russia few options at this moment in time if they are to survive as Russia. They will need to deal with China in coming years, if they (and the West) survive what could be Armageddon.
Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 7 2023 19:05 utc | 6
LoL Comedian with a terrible interview on CNN just now.
Asked by Wolf Bitzer why he has not retreated from Bakhmut
- "because russia has an open road to Kramatorsk if they take Bakhmut"
Asked about Ukranian Commanders who criticize him for not retreating
- "thats a fake I never heard this. Its Russian propaganda. Our army is in Bakhmut helping people, russians are destroying everything"
LoL
Not looking good for the Comedian.
Posted by: Comandante | Mar 7 2023 19:08 utc | 7
The logic of standing and fighting is probably the same as Falkenhayn's in 1915 and 1916 except that the US-Ukronazis are outnumbered as well this year. Where can the US-Ukronazis retreat to that will be easier to defend? (Don't say Colorado this time ;o])
Posted by: Squeeth | Mar 7 2023 19:31 utc | 8
Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2
This looks like some chatgpt free elaboration...
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 7 2023 19:53 utc | 9
Paul Craig Roberts has been criticizing Putin for not defeating Ukraine quickly for over a year. Now, for the first time he is entertaining the possibility that Putin is a WEF/New World Order stooge.
I do not understand why Russia has not destroyed all of the Ukrainaian supply lines, decision making centers and military command centers.
Meanwhile, over 4,000 civilians were killed by Ukrainian shelling during the past year in the Donbass.
It is a fact that EVERYONE who has taken the so called COVID vaccine will be dead within 5 years . If Putin were truly a good human being, he would have alerted the world population to not take the so called Covid vaccine.
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 7 2023 20:08 utc | 10
US preparing to declare war on cartels after highly publicized murder of US citizens in Mexico. One of the cartels really likes to get into fights for the sake of fights. Jalisco even attacked a US consulate in 2018. Does anyone think Russia is going to end up arming Jalisco if there really is a US-Cartel War? I could see Russia providing satelite photos of electrical substations in the US because the US is providing satelite images to Ukraine. This is going to be a major twist in the war.
Posted by: Jalisco | Mar 7 2023 20:08 utc | 11
Posted by: Ciaran | 6
"Yet the existential threat long posed by US/ NATO leaves Russia few options at this moment in time if they are to survive as Russia. They will need to deal with China in coming years, if they (and the West) survive what could be Armageddon."
As I recall in the old movie Alexander Nevsky,the Mongols were threatening from the east and the Teutonic Order from the west. Alexander stated that he would deal with the west first and then turn east.
Myself, I would not imagine that China would pose a threat. Even if they did don't forget India.
BRICS and The Silk Road is what will bind not just these two nations but also include the rest of the world into a win-win peace.
Bye Bye Ahmerica
Posted by: angelo | Mar 7 2023 20:10 utc | 12
Thinking about the Russia auto limitation to fighting in the East and the absence of big arrow offensive far behind Ukrainian lines.
While american analysts tend to favor the big southbound push from Belarus - so-called McGregor option - that could lure the bulk of mobilized Russian troops in center west Ukraine where they could possibly be struck by NATO aircrafts, I start to believe that the Russian attitude of playing weak opponent is symetrically devised to lure NATO assets to enter western Ukraine and catch them into a fire trop - conventional or otherwise.
There is certainly an ongoing analysis by human and cyber intelligence of enemy assessment of the situation on the ground.
This can be manipulated by diverse means into underestimating threats as well as majoring supposed opportunities enough to take risky decisions.
Let's see.
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 7 2023 20:11 utc | 13
The Zelensky interview and other details about equipment are good news, although frustrating. They will continue to bring new equipment and reserves to Bakhmut until wiped out. Can we forget about any Ukr. offensive in Spring/Summer/Ever? I think so. Watch for Leopards to appear....
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 7 2023 20:14 utc | 14
Looks like ukraine is going to go all in on bahkmut too, betting on Russia getting attritted first.
Russia should likewise turn pressure towards slaviansk/kramatorsk, split Ukrainian reserves.
Similarly nato has its russian agents working overtime to deprive Wagner of resources, so they look ever more vulnerable to a counter attack. They better dig in and get their artillery sited to the attack vectors *before* they get attacked. Assuming Russia mod even gives them artillery support.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 7 2023 20:15 utc | 15
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Very jumbled assortment of unrelated facts. Britain evacuated mainland Europe 1940 and returned 1943. US declared itself neutral 2 Sept 1939 and entered war in Europe 1942. USSR was attacked June 1941. Bomber Command Hit German cities from May 1940 onwards.
What that has to do with Chinese in Siberia beats me. Japan tried it and Zhukov destroyed them so they preferred to attack Pearl Harbour for an easier ride.
Russia is the pre-eminent European military power. It wiped out an army of 600,000 using 80,000 troops which is quite a feat and now has around 700,000 soldiers available to do whatever it decides
USA is a has-been power which is collapsing internally and in a deep deep hole internationally - continue into war and destruction - or slink home
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 7 2023 20:16 utc | 16
Greg Galloway | Mar 7 2023 19:53 utc | 9
Indeed. Ciaran | Mar 7 2023 19:05 utc | 6 is just an echo from the same chamber. Complete fiction / wishful thinking.
Posted by: OttoE | Mar 7 2023 20:50 utc | 17
paxmark1 | Mar 7 2023 18:51 utc | 4
"Neither side writes about numbers of civilians in embattled cities or towns. My heart does not bleed for them, but it does weep."
In Artemovsk those civilians will be overwhelmingly pro-Russia - I remember 4 months or so a Brit journalist interviewing a taciturn couple of whom the translator said after - 'they are just waiting for Russia to come'.
I heard reports that Ukraine had evacuated all the children - don't know if that was by force and they took them from their parents.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 7 2023 21:02 utc | 18
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 7 2023 20:15 utc | 15
You forgot some key words in your post. It looks much better like this:
U.S. officials said looks like ukraine is going to go all in on bahkmut too, betting on Russia getting attritted first.U.S. officials said Russia should likewise turn pressure towards slaviansk/kramatorsk, split Ukrainian reserves.
Similarly U.S. officials said nato has its russian agents working overtime to deprive Wagner of resources, so they look ever more vulnerable to a counter attack. U.S. officials said they better dig in and get their artillery sited to the attack vectors *before* they get attacked. Assuming Russia mod even gives them artillery support.
There, that’s much more accurate...
Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 7 2023 21:04 utc | 19
Posted by: Ciaran | Mar 7 2023 19:05 utc | 6
«Putin and Russian leadership are aware of the perils of Chinese incursions into Siberia and increased Chinese influence in the “stans” countries.
Yet the existential threat long posed by US/ NATO leaves Russia few options at this moment in time if they are to survive as Russia. They will need to deal with China in coming years, if they (and the West) survive what could be Armageddon.»
That's totally unrealistic:
* Is the RF a military threat to the PRC? Obviously not: it is too small and the RF economy too small to be a threat, and conquering and occupying the PRC is way beyond the capabilities of the RF. Also the priority of the RF is to develop the enormous resources it already has, the RF government has no need of more land and is not expansionist.
* Given that, what is the main purpose of the RF military from the point of view of the PRC? Well, it is to defend the long and porous northern and western borders of the PRC from USA encirclement. The RF for the PRC is the biggest buffer state that protects their most vulnerable borders, and the last thing the PRC would want is to make it weaker. The number one priority for the PRC is not even the re-unification of China-mainland with China-Taiwan, it is by far and away to ensure by any means that the RF does not yeltsinized/ukrainized by the USA, but stays independent and strong.
Posted by: Blissex | Mar 7 2023 21:07 utc | 20
Anton Gorbatow @ 10
" It is a fact that EVERYONE who has taken the so called COVID vaccine will be dead within 5 years . "
Please stay away from the crack pipe
Posted by: Derek Henry | Mar 7 2023 21:07 utc | 21
This looks like some chatgpt free elaboration...
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 7 2023 19:53 utc | 9
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ChatGPT NATO fan fiction, indeed.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 7 2023 21:11 utc | 22
Can't imagine China will do anything but support Russia to the hilt. And while the US is a threat to them, which will be at least for most of this century, China/Russia alliance will continue.
Of course should a "colour revolution" break out in Russia, and the neocon's wet dream came true and Russia broke apart, China could well occupy Siberia out of pure self-defence motives - who wants NATO on their northern border, 3,000 or more miles from the Atlantic?
But that's a very very remote possibility. IMHO with China's backing Russia will survive the US assault.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 7 2023 21:11 utc | 23
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 7 2023 20:08 utc | 10
«It is a fact that EVERYONE who has taken the so called COVID vaccine will be dead within 5 years»
It is a fact that in most countries at least 5% of those who did not take the vaccine will be dead within 5 years.
Posted by: Blissex | Mar 7 2023 21:13 utc | 24
The latest trumped up theory on the sabotage of the Nordstream pipeline:
"Officials believe pro-Ukraine group may have sabotaged Nord Stream – reports
European and US agencies have obtained tentative intelligence relating to pipeline bombing, say reports"
(Guardian) of course.
Next they'll blame it on a bunch of escaped monkeys from a zoo.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 7 2023 21:17 utc | 25
Topics guaranteed to derail a Ukraine thread (in no particular order):
1) Covid-19
2) World Trade Centre
3) JFK
4) 6 million
5) Brexit
6) Metaphysics
7) Tony0pmoc
Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 7 2023 21:21 utc | 26
as per DPR sources 50% of Bakhmut is under their control.
‘Bakhmut will fall’ – Ukrainian tank soldier to AFP
Kiev’s troops on the ground are reportedly concerned that the government is clinging to a key Donbass city
RT/AFP
Despite the Ukrainian leadership’s insistence that its armed forces will continue to defend the Donbass city of Artyomovsk, also known as Bakhmut, there are indications of a looming retreat, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).“Bakhmut will fall,” a Ukrainian tank operator told AFP in the town of Chasov Yar, about 10 km (six miles) west of Artyomovsk. “We are almost encircled. The units are progressively retreating in small groups.”
The unpaved road connecting the two settlements remains the only one that is relatively safe from Russian attacks, the man claimed, warning that if Ukrainian armor gets bogged in the dirt, the vehicles could become easy targets for Russian artillery.
The news agency also cited the US-based Institute for the Study of War, which recently assessed that Kiev was conducting a limited tactical withdrawal from the city, which could lead to a strategic retreat.[.]
Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 7 2023 21:22 utc | 27
"It is a fact that in most countries at least 5% of those who did not take the vaccine will be dead within 5 years."
Posted by: Blissex | Mar 7 2023 21:13 utc | 24
I dunno if it is a fact, but 5 years is 5% of 100 years, and very few live to 100, even today, so 5% dead every 5 years seems like a good guess at what to expect in "normal" times.
But that has nothing to do with the vaccine.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 7 2023 21:25 utc | 28
"Next they'll blame it on a bunch of escaped monkeys from a zoo."
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 7 2023 21:17 utc | 25
Well at least that would make some sense. Mutant monkeys not doubt.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 7 2023 21:27 utc | 29
Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2
Handle checks out. That said, you're right about Mother Earth, but apparently unaware that both Russia and China only want to defend their near-spheres of influence, which for China means the South China Sea and other shipping lanes. Neither country plans on having a military capable of projecting force like Uncle Scam does (and like the USA getting their asses kicked by goat herders). The USA has fucked up the situation so badly since the end of WWII it's hard to even get a handle on.
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Next they'll blame it on a bunch of escaped monkeys from a zoo.
Posted by: ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 7 2023 21:17 utc | 25
There are no animals anywhere in the world as psychopathic as the people currently calling the shots here in 'the West.'
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 7 2023 21:29 utc | 30
It is a fact that EVERYONE who has taken the so called COVID vaccine will be dead within 5 years . If Putin were truly a good human being, he would have alerted the world population to not take the so called Covid vaccine.
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 7 2023 20:08 utc | 10
The elephant in the room is that Russia doesn't use mRNA, which is most likely culprit, for western population. By now there are already strong indications that it was also sterilizive, which seriously started crashing the demographic pyramid starting last year (sorry OT). Putin might've been WEF at one point, but it was before the famous Munich speech of 2007.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 7 2023 21:31 utc | 31
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 7 2023 21:31 utc | 31
FWIW, and sorry for continuing the off-topic convo, but the anti-vax community here is just about equally down on the non-mRNA COVID vaccines.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 7 2023 21:34 utc | 32
Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 7 2023 21:21 utc | 26
Replace #7 with commenters using profanity while berating alleged "concern trolls."
Posted by: morongobill | Mar 7 2023 21:47 utc | 33
Bakhmut is in "operational encirclement" where the two remaining roads can be fired upon taking out movement along these roads. This is called "fire control" over the road.
By allowing some movement along non-captured roads this funnels troop and military hardware movement along a known path where the Russians can more effectively take out military assets. This is a low risk option for the Russians for taking out a significant amount of Ukrainian troops and equipment.
AFU soldiers attempting to flee from Bakhmut take some risk to travel along the few roads left. They are muddy and dangerous. However, small groups of men can still navigate them at night with some success in getting out of Bakhmut.
For those lucky enough to get out of Bakhmut, they face an additional danger. There has been no formal withdrawal order. So, they may be shot for retreating without orders, that is desertion.
For those who hazard the few escape routes and don't get shot for desertion, they face a third danger. That is to immediately be put on defense lines that the Russian army will soon be knocking on their door.
If I were a Ukrainian soldier that was not wounded in Bakhmut, I would either surrender to the Russians in an orderly way (that is no weapon on my person while holding a makeshift white flag) hoping the Russians would not shoot me or attempt to escape Bakhmut via a path that would lead home in Ukraine or other. I would ditch the military clothes. If I had a sidearm, I would keep it concealed and ready to present and fire if any of the AFU were looking for deserters.
If I had been wounded, I would have some buddies that wanted to get out carry me on a strecher (if required). If proper orders for this wounded evacuation could be obtained by a sympathic officer, this would be best. This way you and your buddies that carry you out can claim they were ordered out to evacuate the wounded.
Being a POW in Russia for a few years is much better than becoming part of the muddy ground. Overall, it has a much better future. Well at least it presents the possibilities of a future.
Posted by: young | Mar 7 2023 21:57 utc | 34
I think Ukraine is ‘all in on Bakhmut’, because it cannot evacuate the remaining garrison in the timeframe left, which suggests that the higher end estimates are correct 10-12k. The Russians cleverly used the thawing ground as their blocking detachment and as a force multiplier for their operational encirclement. It’s also interesting that now 50% of the city is taken and the flanks secured the Ugledar ‘offensive’ winds down; perhaps if they had been serious they would have used more assets, crafted a phased plan and not tasked a mobilised territorial unit with securing a key flank.
Posted by: Milites | Mar 7 2023 22:05 utc | 35
Posted by: Milites | Mar 7 2023 22:05 utc | 35
They will be able to "clear" Bakhmut, but it will take 1-2 months. This is the timeline Ukraine has to do a "deblocking" offensive.
Today Military Summary told that UAF has gathered at least 2 mechanized, 2 tank and 2 artillery brigades NW of Krasna Gora (which is N of Bakhmut). It seems that they might be attacking there, which could potentially turn out to be one of the most decisive battles. It was even suggested earlier that they have shifted the planned Melitopol/spring offensive to the Bakhmut/Seversk/Chasov Yar area, partly because they were forced to. They will definitely try to "unblock" the 20k or whatever garrison. The other reason is that Zelensky is so politically and in a PR manner tied up to Bakhmut that he will try it anyway.
If Russian side can see it coming, they might be able to counter and cause a catastrophic defeat by deploying a more powerful force to take on UAF strategic reserves more or less head-on.
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 7 2023 22:13 utc | 36
@ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 7 2023 21:17 utc | 25
"Officials believe pro-Ukraine group may have sabotaged Nord Stream – reports"
Those reports are correct. The Biden Administration is the pro-Ukrainian group who sabotaged Nord Stream.
Posted by: barstool | Mar 7 2023 22:17 utc | 37
Latest Scott Ritter Substack post... Mostly discusses Ukraine's habit of putting people who criticize the government on hit lists.
Enemy of the State
https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/enemy-of-the-state?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
If you are an American reading this, I hope the implications are clear—for exercising your constitutionally-guaranteed right of free speech, your government will kill you. There is no other way to put this—the Ukrainian government exists solely on the back of the financial assistance provided by the US and, to a lesser extent, the UK and EU. The SBU is entirely funded by US taxpayer dollars, and its work closely coordinated with the US and UK intelligence services. The Myrotvorets “hit list” is funded and facilitated by the US and UK governments.News flash, Kier, Jackson, and all other US and UK citizens on the Myrotvorets “hit list”—your respective governments want you dead, and are willing to contract out their desires with the Ukrainian SBU.
He finishes with: "'Enemy of the State.' You’re damn right I am."
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2023 22:26 utc | 38
Posted by: morongobill | Mar 7 2023 21:47 utc | 33
I understand that is feature, not a bug...
Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 7 2023 22:30 utc | 39
Beijing took a position of wait-and-see to support the winning side when the time comes and that's going to be clear.
If Moscow won : Beijing's going to support Moscow and taking Taiwan over.
If Washington won : Beijing's going to participate in getting parts of Russia - Investments, shares in companies, territories.
Posted by: Suddenly Glamorous | Mar 7 2023 22:34 utc | 40
Russia is fighting an existential tgreat from NatoNazis. She won't be lured into a city trap under the gaze of Five Eyes and new Nato weaponry or be distracted by massacring untrained Conscripts, nor squabble about ammo amongst themselves.
C'mon guys.
Posted by: Giyane | Mar 7 2023 22:46 utc | 41
ThusspakeZarathustra | Mar 7 2023 21:17 utc | 25
"Officials believe pro-Ukraine group may have sabotaged Nord Stream – reports"
What official? No such creature ever said anything substantial on the subject. NYT-, Guardian-, Die Zeit- gossip is coordinated smokescreen nonsense. I side with TASS: West must answer Russia’s inquiries on Nord Stream instead of media leaks.
Posted by: OttoE | Mar 7 2023 22:48 utc | 42
Ned Price... State Dept. spokesperson is stepping down.
Back to the CIA then?
Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 7 2023 22:49 utc | 43
Has anyone got a link to the supposed video of a Ukrainian supposed prisoner being supposedly shot by supposed Russians?
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Mar 7 2023 22:52 utc | 44
LoL they found THE BOAT that carried the Ukranian 007s and tons of explosives so they can save Europe's freedom.
These MFers think the population are stupid enough to believe this BS.
They are probably right. LoL
Posted by: Comandante | Mar 7 2023 22:58 utc | 45
Mother Earth can take no more silly human nonsense.
Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc |
Somehow Mother Earth accommodated you. So you can't say she doesn't have a sense of humor.
1. Russia and China have a mutual enemy, the United States. With China having sucked the U.S. dry of investment and technology, the U.S. is looking like a dried fly in a spider's net.
2. Whatever differences have been between Russia and China, the clear and present danger is the idiot school bully thinking 2 sovereign nations are CornPop (who, incidentally punched Biden's lights out.)
3. Zelensky is using the strategy of Adolf. No retreat, let everyone die.
4. Poland, always relying on the fickle West (Britain abandoned them in their time of need), now relying on the U.S. Foolish, foolish people. Diplomacy would have been their strong hand, but they, too, now want to offer their young men to the unquenchable Gott of Krieg.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 7 2023 23:02 utc | 46
Well someone one side is definitely bleeding the other side. The question is, which one will bleed out first? The BBC is claiming that 20 to 30 thousand Russians have died fighting in/around Bakhmut :
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64880268
Posted by: bored | Mar 7 2023 23:22 utc | 47
He finishes with: "'Enemy of the State.' You’re damn right I am."
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 7 2023 22:26 utc | 38
More like "Enema of the State."
Posted by: Powerline | Mar 7 2023 23:23 utc | 48
Ukraine destroying bridges within Bakhmut while seemingly preparing a counter offensive from Chasiv Yar?
Wagner thinned out in partial envelopments?
No wonder the boss wants Zelensky to withdraw, seems like Wagner might be hung out to dry?
Posted by: Johnycomelately | Mar 7 2023 23:25 utc | 49
Ursula von der Leyen - Family background - worth reading
Ukraine Hawk Who Heads European Commission Has a Nazi Pedigree She Does Not Want You to Know About
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 7 2023 23:26 utc | 50
Posted by: unimperator | Mar 7 2023 22:13 utc | 36
Yep. Ukraine is already bleeding off reserves toward Bakhmut that were being prepared for their great spring offensive. They don't have the resources to do both, so they are already committed to Bakhmut. Watch out for the area north of Bakhmut, where the Russians have made rapid advances in the last week. They made a breakthrough north of Yahidne to follow a ridgeline that leads toward Chasiv Yar. They've pushed far enough to gain fire control over a major supply road. At the same time the Russians have also pushed north of that salient and have now advanced the line west along a larger area, so they have also extended their front along another ridgeline to the north that parallels the ridgeline toward Chasiv Yar. They are also advancing along a canal between the two ridgelines. I believe the Russians will advance along both ridgelines, allowing them to flank Chasiv Yar to the north, while holding the high ground. This is what the Ukrainians are desperate to stop this manuever, which is why they are bringing everything they got to stop it.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 7 2023 23:28 utc | 51
@Giyane |
First, a compliment. Your posts are great. Crisp as Caitlyn Johnstone and always with a deep breath of humanity.
In your #41, Mar 7 2023 22:46 utc, you write that RF "...don't squabble about ammo amongst themselves...". My opinion, too. At least, they (V.P.) resolved the issues quickly, as TopWar informs: How to win without shells?
Takeaways from that article:
The Wagner ammo quarrel is mentioned;
RF started with a (wild guess estimate) stock of 15 million (large caliber) shells;
They spent between 7 and 10 million in the SMO so far;
Manufacturing is ramped up (my guess: China contributes). Current capacity is unclear. (The article says "...maximum figure of 500 shells per year..." - They probably mean precision ammunition ??? and then claim "...many times higher than in the United States..." after posting some graphs);
In WW2, one plant in Novosibirsk alone (women, children) produced 12 million p.a.
Posted by: OttoE | Mar 7 2023 23:40 utc | 52
Another day, another sucker for US imperial shenanigans.
Zelensky cops the rap for the Big Guy :))
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 7 2023 23:51 utc | 53
Well, I guess it is a fact that about 5% of the population does die within 5 years-Covid shot or no Covid shot (in the US). Just plain stats. Here is the link to the CDC's Vital Statistics Death page:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm
Posted by: Tanya | Mar 7 2023 23:22 utc | 47
Dolphins. Yes, now it all makes sense.
Posted by: Mike R | Mar 8 2023 0:04 utc | 55
Posted by: bored | Mar 7 2023 23:22 utc | 48
So the same BBC who claimed in December that the Russians would be inactive over the Winter, due to the usual laundry list of failings, now says 20,000 Russians died, in that period! If people were not being cynically lied to, so as to keep the butchers bill high, it would be comical.
Posted by: Milites | Mar 8 2023 0:07 utc | 56
Tanya @47. Another anti-dolphite. The internet is swimming with them.
Posted by: dh | Mar 8 2023 0:08 utc | 57
Posted by: Tanya | Mar 7 2023 23:22 utc | 47
You win the thread. Ain't no one here gonna top that post, trust me. None of us have the smarts.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 0:35 utc | 58
https://tass.com/science/1571609
I have a feeling, over the next couple of months, that this is going to have as much impact on the course and speed of the SMO as any military or political considerations.
Posted by: Milites | Mar 8 2023 0:48 utc | 59
@Tanya | Mar 7 2023 23:22 utc | 47
"LGBTD" - ha ha, too funny. Thanks for the "killer dolphin" link :)
So, Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili was born in France and was given Georgian citizenship by Sakashvilli. These lice are everywhere. Now she is upset because the parliament wants to pass an anti foreign NGO funding law and is in the US whining about it and has managed to incite supporters to take to the streets in protest. (From RT)
Also from RT - a Czech firm is doing booming business making inflatable decoys mimicking western military equipment. Their clients not disclosed but assumed to include Ukraine.
Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 8 2023 0:49 utc | 60
Posted by: Outraged | Mar 7 2023 18:12 utc | 1
Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (03/07/2023)
What you've copied here, might be the ground-truth of any time of today.
So, thanks for that copy, but:
Sitting as a dug, should be more efficient rather than attack the rest of UKR old-men + youngsters trained by military games on SmartPhone devices, those wouldn't have anymore available, if having sent to the real frontline.
This is, once more, a simple message to all of the UKR "Soldiers" to defend their UKR Country's local residents/cicilians ...
before head-off being killed by any locally operating NAZI-like and ISIS-like foreign "mercenaries", engaged by the US/Israel Intel spec. OPs ..
Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 0:54 utc | 61
https://tass.com/science/1571609
They’re so realistic, when the Lancet strikes they even have secondary explosions and a debris shower!
Posted by: Milites | Mar 8 2023 1:00 utc | 62
I’m with Milites. Bakhmut has to be held now because it should have been abandoned in an active defense retreat at least six weeks ago. And the VSU will have to throw what it has at a relief offensive. If that’s successful then the situation changes; if it’s not Ukraine is cooked in the near term.
Russian patience really bothers westerners. From MacGregor to Ritter to PCR to the average blog commenter. It may not work, but there is a method to the patience and it has no more risk than than the shock and awe offensive preferred by westerners.
Russians have been somewhat wary of Chinese intentions going back to at least the 90’s (so we don’t have to dig into the complex relationship between the USSR and PRC). But that’s generally overblown. The Chinese have neither a history nor much stomach for foreign adventure. If they’re going to take over it’s by population and economic displacement. But the fact remains that for the foreseeable future Russia and China need each other. They appear to have a serious relationship. So the idea that China’s playing both sides is unlikely. China can get what it needs without defeating Russia. All the other assumptions rest on the idea that every country is as craven and power hungry as the US.
Posted by: Lex | Mar 8 2023 1:07 utc | 63
Figleaf23 | Mar 7 2023 22:52 utc | 44
The vid.
Short. No context.
A Polish twitter has a map of the alleged location.
Interesting, as this was Ukraine held at the time.
My theory.
Executed by Polish mercs, uploaded to Ukraine telegram.
There was “Hero of Ukraine” artwork all over twitter almost immediately.
Too quick for organic reaction.
A psyops to distract from Bakhmut IMV.
YMMV.
https://files.catbox.moe/9186vf.mp4
> “Shadura Timofiy Mykolayovych
According to preliminary information, he disappeared on 03.02.2023 during defense near the village of Zaliznanske
There is already a decision to award him the "Hero of Ukraine" award posthumously.”
https://twitter.com/SomeGumul/status/1633004342662815744
>…”Tymofij disappeared in the vicinity of this town. Not in the village itself, but in the trenches somewhere east of it.”
https://twitter.com/SomeGumul/status/1633004858394460160
[map shows this as territory held by Ukraine at the time]
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 1:10 utc | 64
The current calculus is that weakening Moscow, while simultaneously turning Ukraine's eastern region into a smouldering rubble and killing Kievan forces at equal ratio as Russian soldiers and mercenaries would be a net good for Washington and its vassals.
This requires that outside aid and loans be given to rebuild Ukraine, forever indebting Kiev to Western elites. Kiev might achieve community with EU and NATO but at extreme cost to every parties. Sunk cost is dictating the pace and further unfolding of the entire conflict. No is denying that pound for pound, even with the aid that's given to Kiev that would allow to punch above its weight, this is losing relatively more in this conflict. That's really sad when people think about the permanent indentured servitude that will await them after the war.
If people suggest that the whole scope and scale of this thing could have been significantly lower were, people have actually aggressively pursued a peace deal at the outset of the conflict and restricted aid in such a way as to entice both to negotiate, not purposefully hampered the talks, etc. People would be denounced as Kremlin's 'stooge' or whatever. This was simply never possible because of a variety of dubious and vague reasons that were given by parties that were most interested in continuing the conflict.
That's just a shitty situation for everyone. People should feel very sorry for the average people in Ukraine who are basically fighting for the vanity of a collection of foreign oligarchies and one particularly corrupt and aggrieved one at home. They've guaranteed deaths or shitty remainders of their lives at this point.
Average people in Russia are basically in the same boat, except they already know what that's really like to be on the wrong side of Washington's objectives - So, they couldn't even delude themselves by pretending to rejoin the faux international community after this. China and India are going to be Moscow's new partners.
All of while, Beijing and New Delhi look on at the whole international fiasco - Noting hypocrisy and sleight that Washington and its vassals deployed to maintain power over the situation. Chinese and Indian officials wouldn't be impressed and Western officials might not be winning them over in the future.
Posted by: Gruzman | Mar 8 2023 1:14 utc | 65
So, sitting as a "Donald Duck., as Donald T. elsewhere", as to have just now to sitting on a big 'self-owned' amount of Trillions $$s but still not have any concerns about that fae-money being created, "this day forever" will once have knocked at that the US-door (you know what I mean, the "Tank-Knackers") ..
So that way may be going ahead max. some 2 years, even China will have economical losses than but will save it's over-stressed security issues threatend as if Pelosi-like guys are capturing the Taiwan 1-Solution policy.. and so on .. - than - at least - all MoA guys would mknow that.
Sorry - but that's the truth - today ..
Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 1:17 utc | 66
It’s January 6 in Georgia, right now.
Lots of vid of protesters burning the parliament buildings.
-Protesters in Tbilisi are trying to break into the parliament building. Local TV channels broadcast footage of protesters demolishing several fences at the entrance to the building.-A clear anti-Russian sentiment is evident in Tbilisi's protests.
_”Fuck Russia” graffiti. In English.
__”Hey…. Is that… no…Ray Epps.? [Sarc for the slo end of the bar]
https://twitter.com/301military/status/1633205534273798144
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 1:21 utc | 67
@65 Mel
That dude definitely appears to have been executed. Look at him, he's no good for anything except peeling potatoes. The clue for me was the guy taking the video, he jerked the phone then backed up a smidgeon....just saying.
Posted by: sane | Mar 8 2023 1:31 utc | 68
Have y'all ever seen a country losing this hard, a country this demoralised ? Russians went from riding high horse of taking Berlin within a month to losing to a third-world country and not being able to encircle its second biggest city that located some kilometres from border where public support for Moscow was nigh universal.
Russian Federation is a joke. If people are shitting their pants over Kremlin's threats, they are either heavily misinformed or are letting their idealistic ideologies take control over their thoughts.
Posted by: Libir Akha | Mar 8 2023 1:34 utc | 69
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 7 2023 20:08 utc | 10
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Could you please say something that makes sense? Paul Craig Roberts is not a source of information, he is a fool. His views change when the US Presidents change. Not a good barometer of facts or truth.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 1:35 utc | 70
The Russian duck (утка, UKR spoken: качка) is sitting behind of the US 5-Eyes to support your fighters via SAT/Musk-Starlink, whatever else you do not being to understand, of cpurse, technically.
BUT, be sure dear Donbas civilians, the ever shelling on to you "MUST & WILL" stop soon!
But pls. do not forget your DNR/LPR "brother's" capabilities to fight against the NAZI-like Tatoo-sponsored UKR guys ..
Wait for the RF-Soldiers that would have you possibly freed to go home or elsewhere to escape to a more new secured landscape in RU ..
Good luck.
Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 1:36 utc | 71
Police in Tbilisi hose protestors, but seem to avoid the NATO flag waver
https://twitter.com/FormulaGe/status/1633162811671998480
Also:
I just found out a short time ago my Battalion commander Davinci was killed in action today. Dmytro Kotsyubailo (Davinci) was the backbone of the Wolf of Davinci Battalion. A well respected warrior who started as a foot soldier in 2014. May he rest in eternal peace a hero
~ James Vasquez
https://twitter.com/jmvasquez1974/status/1633181870933561346One of the leaders of the Right Sector, Hero of Ukraine Dmytro Kotsyubaylo, call sign "Da Vinci", was killed near Bakhmut.
His death was reported by former MP Boryslav Bereza.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1633145934493151243And in the comments:
“I am for Ukraine with all my heart but people with such flags came to kill civilians in the village where my grandmother, a Pole, lived. I feel disgusted seeing the same flag on the UA defenders' uniforms
https://twitter.com/QQ_mamuniu/status/1633148376542769161
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 1:43 utc | 72
Trolls arriving, on schedule. Must be a night shift. Lower quality than the daytime trolls, IMO.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 1:47 utc | 73
Wouldn't it be pathetically funny if, while the entire world focuses on Ukraine, Kim Jong-un goes "a little funny in the head"? (quoting from Dr.Strangelove)
Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 8 2023 1:49 utc | 74
I wouldn't know how this war could end. I couldn't imagine something like the armistice of Compiègne and definitely not like the fall of Berlin either. Some peace agreement would almost certainly just freeze the conflict and wouldn't be worth the paper that's written on. A withdrawal, maybe ?
I also wonder how Moscow would come back from this. This took militarily occupying the rubble of Berlin to bring its people back into the fold, realpolitik of needing a functioning state and its experience against the soviets obviously sped that process up. I wouldn't see anyone with a brain to consider riding up to Moscow... So, what will happen ? If things went down with Beijing and Moscow pivoted towards Western countries again... Would Westerners just act like nothing happened ?
Posted by: Hazederepal | Mar 8 2023 1:54 utc | 75
A few more videos.
Russian tank units carry out combat missions amid ongoing hostilities:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/T-90_0703:5
Russian Lancet drone strikes 240mm Kiev regime self-propelled mortar:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/TX0TIsWQ2BIa/
Wagner troops raising flag in Artemovsk:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/txZY9H1UReig/
Posted by: Nate | Mar 8 2023 2:04 utc | 76
Russian tank units carry out combat missions amid ongoing hostilities:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/T-90_0703:5
Russian Lancet drone strikes 240mm Kiev regime self-propelled mortar:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/TX0TIsWQ2BIa/
Wagner troops raising flag in Artemovsk:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/txZY9H1UReig/
Posted by: Nate | Mar 8 2023 2:05 utc | 77
My attempt to guess what a "fly on the wall" might have heard inside the WH meeting between Sholz and Dementia-Joe:
(Chancellor Sholtz walks in, greets President. Secret service agent stands near door, out of earshot)
Dementia Joe: Hey, my memory care appointment wasn't until 5PM!
(Aide whispers in Dementia Joe's ear: Mr. President, that's not your doctor, that's Chancellor Sholtz)
Dementia Joe: mumbles incoherently
Olaf Sholz: Sorry, Mr President, you do remember the topic of our meeting?
Dementia Joe: Yes! The Berlin Wall must be torn down! Reunification is the, you know, the thing!
Olaf Sholz: No need to shout, Herr President.
(Aide hands Dementia Joe some notes, helpfully typed in an extra large font with simple sentences. Dementia Joe looks confused, then smiles)
Dementia Joe: Ah, I see it now. Yes, new intelligence. We must make sure to keep on the same page here. It was the evil Putin who blew up Nordstrom! Now Jill has to shop at Macys.
Olaf: Uh, close, but let's rehearse this together. It was Ukrainians who did the sabotage, but not Ukrainians who were in any way connected to us, or Zelensky. They were, as you Americans like to say, rogue agents.
Dementia Joe: Oh, I get it now.
Olaf: Yes, but vee must be very careful not to say anything about this in public. Our intelligence agencies will use this as a cover story. No more incidents like that time when you blurted out that you would make sure it got taken down.
Dementia Joe: So, when's naptime?
Olaf Sholz: I think it is now. Gute nacht, Herr President.
Posted by: Chris | Mar 8 2023 2:06 utc | 78
The short video of the Ukrainian serviceman being executed is quite telling. He was standing in a shell scrape....not wearing his protective ensemble or webbing....he is smoking a cigarette but he knew it was coming even though not restrained. It's plausible it was a Ukrainian army summary execution....quite ad hoc. The rifleman standing just out of focus of camera fired a full magazine from the hip..he had trouble controlling the long burst..not something a trained soldier does..and he didn't have much upper body strength...those 5.45X39 rounds generate very little recoil..watch the war footage and see most rifle fire is aimed and semi automatic. Probably bunch of kids newly minted shooting looters and deserters
Posted by: Joe | Mar 8 2023 2:16 utc | 79
It seems the conscrpts in Bakmut are being used with objective to cause the Russians to deplete their ammunition.
Posted by: jared | Mar 8 2023 2:30 utc | 80
Posted by: Hazederepal | Mar 8 2023 1:54 utc | 76
.. Would Westerners just act like nothing happened ? ..
Don't now but don't think so.
The remaining todays's "West" persons to rule the US-Rules just today - since engaged by the 2014, the pretty performed coup in UKR ?, whoever those persons might be 'then next' (rather than Nuland, Blinken, any newly claimed CIA-Commanders, Old-Biden or its Son, even WORST MADAM HILLARY Clinton (!), etc.), all those will be fefeated by newly Replublican's 1st candidate Mr. Trump. That is no new facts .. that is the old US-Imperialistic style to go on.
That style won't go anymore like those previous US-goals trying to achieve it .. you all know why or not? ..
Wonder what "style" of onging with RU/China would üroceed and take a road to cope with that new situation - or what's to hinder the ongoing progress by China/India/Russia of a new economic traffic route ?
After NS-2 killed .. what you (and China) thinking the next step could be ?
Thinking .. that's all ..
But China is not a Paper-Tiger .. US/EU/CIA pls. be careful, despite Mr. Scholz opposition!
Posted by: spare_truth | Mar 8 2023 2:31 utc | 81
Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2
Definitely a true ahole with rubbish about China that bears nothing with the real China.
I'm a foreigner living in China for past 10 years. Best 10 years of my life.
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 8 2023 2:32 utc | 82
It is a fact that EVERYONE who has taken the so called COVID vaccine will be dead within 5 years . If Putin were truly a good human being, he would have alerted the world population to not take the so called Covid vaccine.
Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 7 2023 20:08 utc | 10
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Get the f**k out of here, you are so full of it: What is your evidence? I could say the same thing, everyone who didn't get the Covid vacation will die in five years. Can't prove it, but it is just as reasonable a hypothesis based on NO evidence.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:35 utc | 83
Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:35 utc | 83
OMG, we haven't had one like you here for quite a while. Please, more.
Posted by: julia | Mar 8 2023 2:39 utc | 84
Ukraine: A former NATO general speaks
(from January - still relevant from a sane German general)
Thomas Kaiser : How would you rate the coverage of Ukraine in our mainstream media?
General Harald Kujat : The war in Ukraine is not only a military conflict; it is also an economic and information war. In this information war, one can become part of the war by adopting information and arguments that one cannot verify or judge on the basis of one's own competence. In part, motives understood as moral or ideological also play a role. This is particularly problematic in Germany because the media is dominated by 'experts' who have no knowledge or experience of security policy and strategy and therefore express opinions that they derive from the publications of other 'experts'. with comparable knowledge. Of course, this also increases political pressure on the German government. The debate over the delivery of certain weapon systems clearly shows the intention of many media to play politics themselves. My unease with this development is perhaps the consequence of my many years of service in NATO, notably as Chairman of the NATO-Russia Council and the NATO-Ukraine Commission of Joint Chiefs of Staff . It particularly annoys me that so little attention is paid to German security interests and the dangers posed to our country by an extension and escalation of the war. It shows a lack of sense of responsibility or, to use an old-fashioned term, a very unpatriotic attitude.
In the United States, one of the two main players in this conflict, the management of the Ukrainian war is much more differentiated and controversial, although still guided by national interests.
In early 2022, as the situation on the border with Ukraine worsened, they spoke to the then Inspector General of the Navy, Vice General Kai-Achim Schönbach, and somehow supported. He warned urgently against an escalation with Russia and blamed the West for humiliating Putin and said to negotiate with him on an equal footing.
I have not ruled on the matter, however, I have always been of the opinion that this war had to be avoided and that it could have been avoided. I also spoke about it publicly in December 2021. And in early January 2022, I published proposals on how a mutually acceptable outcome could be achieved in negotiations that would avert war. Unfortunately, things did not turn out that way. Perhaps one day the question will arise as to who wanted this war, who did not want to avoid it and who could not avoid it.
https://en.reseauinternational.net/ukraine-un-ex-general-de-lotan-prend-la-parole/
Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 8 2023 2:42 utc | 85
I wish b would ban such obvious trolls from the 3 alphbet soups with such obvious US misinformation about China coverting Russia land and a threat to Russia.
China has 1.41 billion reasons not to be an evil empire.
I'm a foreigner living in China and loving it.
Others, please do your own research first about China, and not bother what rubbish is in MSM.
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 8 2023 2:42 utc | 86
Posted by: Ahole | Mar 7 2023 18:40 utc | 2
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The China is evil, and Russia will be subsumed by China, seems to be a big issue for the trolls on MoA recently, and a lot of it today on this and the other string today. This appears to be coordinated. Just saying.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:44 utc | 87
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:35 utc | 83
Posted by: julia | Mar 8 2023 2:39 utc | 84
Not in THIS thread! This is the Ukraine thread! Ignore the Covid trolls!
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 2:46 utc | 88
Regarding Georgia:
The story as I understand it at the moment is that the parliament, on the first reading, passed a law requiring registration of foreign funded organizations NGOs etc.
The USA does not like this at all and seems to be pushing for another coup. The PM as I understand it might have to register. So it looks like Maidan 2.0. There have been Georgian mercs acting on gov't side in Ukraine war too (or so I hear).
What is interesting is the large margin the new law passed by.
Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 8 2023 2:51 utc | 89
For those who claim to be Panzer Generals and the Russians are losing the war should read these 2 sites.
https://bigserge.substack.com/
https://substack.com/profile/125744148-simplicius-the-thinker
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 8 2023 2:51 utc | 90
Remember kids, Sy Hersh's Nord Stream report is untrustworthy because it is unproven and relies on anonymous sources.
_ Caitlin Johnstone
https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1633146952887185409
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 2:56 utc | 91
If I may, in respost, from the Nordstream attack piece.
The fairy tale yarn continues to be spun:
Tanya @ Post 47 hilariously writes, "It was the Dolphins."
Seriously, the devil made them do it and they used a yacht and I have some ocean front in the Gobi desert at a fair price. Hurry.
Investigators find vessel involved in Nord Stream sabotage – media
It allegedly belongs to a company owned by Ukrainians, German media outlets claim
German authorities probing explosions at the Nord Stream gas pipelines have identified a vessel that appears to have been involved in what is widely regarded as an act of sabotage, a host of German media outlets revealed on Tuesday. The yacht, which was reportedly used in the attack on the pipelines, belongs to a Polish-based company owned by two Ukrainians, according to the reports.Germany’s ARD broadcaster SWR radio and Die Zeit newspaper launched what they called their own joint journalistic investigation into the activities of the German law enforcement authorities involved in this case.
Their findings indicate the yacht set sail from the German northeastern port city of Rostock on September 6, with the explosives and equipment for the operation arriving in Rostock separately in a delivery truck. The yacht was later identified on the Danish island of Christianso, located just north-east of the island of Bornholm, where the pipelines were damaged on September 26, 2022.
The yacht was then returned to the owners, and the investigators managed to find traces of explosives on a table in its cabin, the outlets claim. The act of sabotage was reportedly carried out by a team of six people, including a captain, two divers, two diving assistants, and a female doctor.
The identities or even nationalities of the suspects remain unclear as they had “professionally forged passports,” which they also used to rent the yacht in the first place, according to German media outlets. The German authorities have also reportedly found no evidence that might point to who might have ordered the pipelines to be sabotaged.
According to ARD, SWR and Die Zeit, a Western secret service organization allegedly tipped off some European “partner services” shortly after the explosions, saying that a “Ukrainian commando” unit was responsible for the attack. The media outlets also claimed there had been “further intelligence indications” that a pro-Ukrainian group could be behind it.
The German government has not commented on the information presented by the media so far. A few days ago, Sweden, Denmark and Germany “informed the United Nations Security Council that the investigations are ongoing and that there are still no results,” a government spokesman declared on Tuesday. Kiev denied any involvement in the incident when contacted by the German media.
Citing some anonymous US intelligence officials, the New York Times on Tuesday reported that a “pro-Ukrainian group” was behind the September 2022 attacks. “No American or British nationals were involved,” it added.[.]
There is a desperate need to deny Hersh's bombshell and what is being put forward, as we say they just can't get the story right -
We are to believe there was no 3 letter agencies involved.
No sireee. Yet just like the passport in the 9/11 "event" those passports were found having survived fire; With this Act of War on NordStream pipelines, the culprits left behind "professionally forged passports"
The dog ate my cat's homework.
Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 8 2023 2:56 utc | 92
Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:35 utc | 83
OMG, we haven't had one like you here for quite a while. Please, more.
Posted by: julia | Mar 8 2023 2:39 utc | 84
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I'm not sure what your point is, but I have a feeling that b doesn't want people to discuss Covid on MoA. I am not sure why, but I suspect that it was before my time; must have been a knockdown, drag out on MoA.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:57 utc | 93
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:57 utc | 93
It's not that Covid can't be discussed, it's that there are open threads for that and Ukraine threads for Ukraine only.
This is the Ukraine thread.
But yeah, better no one discusses it since everyone thinks everyone else is full of shit on the topic which leads to nothing but flame wars.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 3:01 utc | 94
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 2:44 utc | 87
They are repeating US lies so you know who they are working for.
Both Russia and China have settled all their border differences. A little research won't kill anyone.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-russia-border-idUKPEK29238620080721
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 8 2023 3:01 utc | 95
This is the Ukraine thread.
But yeah, better no one discusses it since everyone thinks everyone else is full of shit on the topic which leads to nothing but flame wars.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 8 2023 3:01 utc | 94
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Got it and thank you Richard for some good advice.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 8 2023 3:10 utc | 96
First time poster. Some serious pearls in all this muck. Thank you for those…
So, since Washington runs on election time how do you think the Neocons are gonna wrap this up in two years? Or do they escalate it to keep themselves in as war party?
Posted by: Azscout | Mar 8 2023 3:12 utc | 97
Guys, good news for Russia. The Deep State is discovering the (obvious) narco-terrorist regime in Mexico. The Atlantic, the Wall Street Journal are pushing hostility towards Mexico and it's reported that Miss Lindsay in the Senate wants to authorize military action.
Wars, wars everywhere. This is getting interesting.
Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 8 2023 3:14 utc | 98
Awful Avalanche writes about the Ukranazi coup regime attempt to dump the 8 March women's day celebration, calling it a "Russian imposed" holiday. So far they've been unable to do so because over 60% of the Ukrainian population is opposed to the idea. One of the plans was to shift it to 25 February and name it after a Ukrainian poetess and novelist of the late 19th/early 20th century, who...
... was a Communist, translated Marx into Ukrainian, and wanted equal status for Ukraine and Russia in a union.
Obviously the nazis don't mention that.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 8 2023 3:18 utc | 99
Georgia was “Ukraine” in 2008.
Medvedev as President, said “nyet cyka blyat” and sent in the troops.
Georgian president Saakashvili later (briefly) found a comfy nest as Mayor of Odessa, until he fell from favour and is now rotting in prison (recent twitter pics show an emaciated figure struggling to walk from ensuite to bed).
Georgian snipers were in action at the Maiden, shooting protestors and police.
They later went public bitching they had not been paid their final instalment (I’d be interested in their current health status) (lol)
Georgians made up the larger number of mercs in the early days of the sloSMO.
Most seemed to think shooting Russians would be a safari. There’s fewer Georgians appearing on t.me/trackamerc these days.
It seems most “everyday” Georgians got their fix of “finding out” about poking the bear back in 2008. Most seem to want to sit this one out and not overly support Ukraine.
The U$, of course, views Georgia as a tool to poke Russia, Iran, Armenia-v-Azerbaijan
Georgia’s “Ukraine hesitancy”, has required some more overt coercion from the U$.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 8 2023 3:22 utc | 100
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