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March 5, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-55
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Yalensis of Awful Avalanche is doing a series of articles on the Soledar mines. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 5 2023 14:48 utc | 1 Theater Command basic & negligible Intelligence Staff work & Analysis … RF may have neutralized the previously invulnerable leg of the Western Strategic Nuclear Program. Posted by: infoshark | Mar 5 2023 14:51 utc | 3
Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 15:05 utc | 4 Prof. Richard Wolff presents his rather terse, rather constrained views on the Ukraine war and gets abused in the comments section: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 15:10 utc | 5 I think Russia’s problem now is how to get this war to 2024. A longer war potentially creates ‘second winter’ political changes in Germany, and definitely obstructs a real (rather than just rhetorical) shift of US belligerence toward China.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36027 Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 15:14 utc | 7 Deindustrial center: how the Americans are ruining the German military-industrial complex Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 15:25 utc | 8 Posted by: fairleft | Mar 5 2023 15:13 utc | 6 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Mar 5 2023 15:30 utc | 9 @ fairleft | Mar 5 2023 15:13 utc | 6 What’s with these two gals?….the Vicki and Samantha twin sisters
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There won’t be enough pain management opiates to dull the shock when reality dawns. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 5 2023 15:35 utc | 11 Outraged @ 2 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2023 15:35 utc | 12 Somebody said long ago that Russia has only two allies. Its army and its navy. Posted by: Srbin | Mar 5 2023 15:36 utc | 13
https://tass.com/russia/789866 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Mar 5 2023 15:55 utc | 14 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 14:50 utc | 2 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 15:58 utc | 15 fairleft | Mar 5 2023 15:13 utc | 6 — “I think Russia’s problem now is how to get this war to 2024.” Posted by: Mark Thomason | Mar 5 2023 15:58 utc | 16 Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 5 2023 15:35 utc | 11 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 16:00 utc | 17 I just wanted to put a “thank you” out there to the MofA community. It is great to have a place to go where critical thinkers gather. In my day to day life I am surrounded by people who drink up the narrative and have Stockholm Syndrome. Posted by: Slat1 | Mar 5 2023 16:02 utc | 18 @ Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 5 2023 14:48 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Mar 5 2023 16:09 utc | 19 Posted by: jpc | Mar 5 2023 16:09 utc | 20 @ jpc | Mar 5 2023 16:09 utc | 20 Posted by: james | Mar 5 2023 16:12 utc | 21
More delusional nonsense. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 16:13 utc | 22
Posted by: Down South | Mar 5 2023 16:13 utc | 23 There won’t be enough pain management opiates to dull the shock when reality dawns. Posted by: jpc | Mar 5 2023 16:17 utc | 24
Indeed. For which side though? Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 16:17 utc | 25 Right now there is a shortage of Adderall in the US. A MYSTERIOUS shortage. Adderall is an amphetamine-like substance. Posted by: Bob In Portland, Ore | Mar 5 2023 16:19 utc | 26 @ Srbin | Mar 5 2023 15:36 utc | 13
2nd degree, credibility burn, Srbin. At theduran.com, Pono has an interesting thought (if I understand it correct): Posted by: Baddy | Mar 5 2023 16:28 utc | 28 I was beginning to worry about shadowbanned. He wasn’t around yesterday and I suspect the janitor accidentally unplugged him Friday night while mopping the floors in the computer room, much like Mickey Mouse and his nemesis Master Cylinder. Good to see your transistors and diodes are running again, but it would be a sorry life to realize the only light in your life is the LEDs blinking across the aisle in the other server bank. Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Mar 5 2023 16:38 utc | 29 @ Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 5 2023 16:40 utc | 30 @ fairleft 6 Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 16:43 utc | 31 @ unimperator | Mar 5 2023 15:58 utc | 15 @Outraged | Mar 5 2023 14:50 utc | 2
General Zaluzhny wears a bracelet engraved with Nazi runes. This clip from Vassily Prozorov gives a good description of the Nazi death cult mindset Posted by: cirsium | Mar 5 2023 16:52 utc | 33 Adding to the above thought from Pono. Posted by: Baddy | Mar 5 2023 16:58 utc | 34 All, Posted by: natokraine | Mar 5 2023 17:08 utc | 35
I posed a very specific question. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 17:09 utc | 36 ” “Letter to Russians and Ukrainians,” by assassinated Lugansk militia leader Alexei Mozgovoy. (It’s possible that the “letter” is actually a compilation of diary entries that were compiled after his death.) Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 17:10 utc | 37 Outraged @ 2 & 32, my 11 Posted by: oldhippie | Mar 5 2023 17:18 utc | 38
Nobody wants a “hurry-up offense”. We don’t want another disaster such as Sumy in March 2022. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 17:20 utc | 39 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 14:50 utc | 2
The losses continue to steadily pile up. Attrition at its finest. Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 5 2023 17:21 utc | 40 > The Red Army needed 3M men to liberate Ukraine back in the days, Posted by: natokraine | Mar 5 2023 17:23 utc | 41
And this is why he and the rest of the early militia leaders are no longer alive. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 17:30 utc | 42 posted by: james | Mar 5 2023 16:12 utc | 21 Posted by: retiredmecheng | Mar 5 2023 17:34 utc | 43 @ shadowbanned 40 Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 17:37 utc | 44 @shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 17:30 utc | 43 Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 5 2023 17:39 utc | 45 Why doesn’t Russia mobilize more men? I can think of several reasons. Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Mar 5 2023 17:41 utc | 46 I felt, a year ago, that this whole SMO was really double-layered. One layer, the stated layer, was what Putin said, again and again, to keep Ukraine from NATO, to protect the Donbass citizens, to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. But the second layer, clear to me, has been the much broader movement, with China and the Global South, to somehow create a multipolar world not dominated by neocons and the dollar. The longer this war goes on, the more this second layer solidifies and grows, such that today we see the President of Mexico castigating Biden publicly for hypocrisy and we see all sorts of new trade flows among the Global South. It is no accident, I feel, that Blinken’s efforts begging support for the US NATO position have failed again and again at the latest G20 meetings. So in a way the world is turning, month by month, such that Russia may become a remaining Great Power in the 21st century as Russia has land, resources, an educated population, and an industrial base. I know some will argue that population dynamics will defeat Rissia as they may defeat China and other advanced countries (too many old people, too few births) but think that in the immediate period the US NATO will be weakened and the Russia-China-Global South group will rise. Posted by: Boomheist | Mar 5 2023 17:46 utc | 47 I second the appreciation for your point of view, @shadowbanned Posted by: Chris | Mar 5 2023 17:49 utc | 48 @ Deplorable Commissar 38 Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 17:59 utc | 49 Dima on Military Summary made an interesting analysis. He says that there are still 12k Ukrainian troops in Bakhmut still. Earlier it was told there are 2-3k. He says it’s not only a bad situation but disaster for UAF. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 18:00 utc | 50 @Outraged Posted by: Srbin | Mar 5 2023 18:01 utc | 51 Likklemore @ 30 Posted by: circumspect | Mar 5 2023 18:04 utc | 52 Stop smearing shadowbanned . I don’t want to read an echo chamber. Posted by: HC | Mar 5 2023 18:07 utc | 53
30K KIA + 2-3x WIA gets you what exactly? Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 18:09 utc | 54 Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Mar 5 2023 17:41 utc | 47
Certainly compared to Western Europe, Russia’s economy seems to be fairly sound and resilient, so I doubt if costs loom too large as a factor.
Do they need another mobilisation? And would this jeopardise electoral support? I don’t know the answer to those 2 questions, and I was always told to try not to answer a question with another question so apologies here.
Could well be a factor, plus I understand Russia is also due elections in 2024.
Time is certainly a factor, and not just on the military front. The more time pressure the Empire comes under, the more it exposes its true hegemonic nature to the rest of the world, aka the Global Majority, and the more open and widespread the resistance becomes.
Who can truly say? My view is that (assuming you’re in a Western country) we probably shouldn’t project too much in the way of Western political machinations onto the Russian polity. I certainly don’t know if political parties in Russia suffer the intrigues and in-fighting of the British Tory party (as an example). Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 5 2023 18:10 utc | 55 @ Srbin 52 Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 18:15 utc | 56 reply to 40 and others Posted by: Eighthman | Mar 5 2023 18:16 utc | 57 @shadowbanned”Leave Brittny Alone” Posted by: KlutchKargo | Mar 5 2023 18:23 utc | 58 circumspect @ 54 Posted by: Jen | Mar 5 2023 18:28 utc | 59 @ cirsium | Mar 5 2023 16:52 utc | 33
Targeted Locs & locales has ranged from ~170 to 207, which compared to previous 2 months, is a week now of increased & sustained OP tempo by ~+55% to ~+88%. Hm ? @ Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 18:29 utc | 62 Posted by: natokraine | Mar 5 2023 18:36 utc | 61 @ circumspect 54 Posted by: JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 18:37 utc | 62
Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 18:09 utc | 56 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 5 2023 18:38 utc | 63 ” A similar appeal was written exactly one year ago, on February 25, 2022, by Russian social commentator and reserve colonel Alexander Zhilin: Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 18:50 utc | 64 JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 18:37 utc | 64 Posted by: Gustav | Mar 5 2023 19:03 utc | 65 I’ll give this place props that it doesn’t just spew some party line. But what goes on here is little better. It’s mostly war fetish with a reactionary disgust for own culture… “I hate my people but I can’t stop living this way”. The pathos of counting up the ways to dismember and obliterate others over drinks. No one here will think of standing up for peace or democracy; these ideas being to tainted with disillusionment and projected into drunken armchair quarterbacking. Posted by: Arrnon | Mar 5 2023 19:21 utc | 66 ” And this is why he and the rest of the early militia leaders are no longer alive. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 19:24 utc | 67 ” Of all the slain heros of Novorossiya, I personally miss Mozgovoy the most. He had very interesting things to say. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 19:32 utc | 68 There cannot be any peace until Russia has won. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Mar 5 2023 19:35 utc | 69 Posted by: Arrnon | Mar 5 2023 19:21 utc | 68 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 5 2023 19:35 utc | 70 “A revolt against Zelensky’s regime matures in Zaporizhzhya. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 19:36 utc | 71 @ jpc | Mar 5 2023 16:09 utc | 20 Posted by: Tedder | Mar 5 2023 19:39 utc | 72 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 16:26 utc | 27
Turkey is operating Grad MRL systems? Interesting. Who knew…
Krušik is not arms but ammunition factory. Arms factory is a different company in another city.
Vucovic vs Vucevic that looks to me like a typo. Posted by: hopehely | Mar 5 2023 19:45 utc | 73 So what happened to the first shipment of Serbian weapons, airlifted from Greece? The plane crashed. Maybe they put some kind of explosive device with timer or altimeter trigger inside some of the weapon crates. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 19:51 utc | 74 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 18:09 utc | 56 Posted by: alek_a | Mar 5 2023 20:01 utc | 75 @Outraged I am not going to waste time on you, on even responding on your defence of your Dear Leader. Eat your sandwich in peace.
Posted by: Srbin | Mar 5 2023 20:06 utc | 76 There is a big misunderstanding of the war in Ukraine. That is the Russians are fighting not only the Ukrainians but the entire US and NATO backgound organisation. Satellites, spylink, warts, grunts and all. In the same time A. Vucic played Putin’s friend because most of the population is still pro-Russian. Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 20:17 utc | 78 Posted by: Tedder | Mar 5 2023 19:39 utc | 74 Posted by: Milites | Mar 5 2023 20:18 utc | 79 Watched some drone footage from the west side of Bakhmut, concerning retreating AFU. The action there looks pretty similar as the AFU attacks on Kherson in August-September 2022, which were mostly wrecked. A lot of bodies and armored vehicles on the fields, which are under small arms and artillery fire from 2 or 3 sides. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 5 2023 20:21 utc | 80 Russia’s severe lack of military spending is the fundamental problem. The reality is Russia $20b vs Ukraine $100b+ Posted by: Colin | Mar 5 2023 20:24 utc | 81 Posted by: infoshark | Mar 5 2023 14:51 utc | 3 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 5 2023 20:27 utc | 82 [sigh]
Compared to whose benchmarks?
Irrelevant, and a crude attempt at thread derailment.
You are kidding,right?
Bodybags too scary, huh? Remind me how long the Siege of Leningrad lasted? Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 5 2023 20:28 utc | 83 I’m having a hard time understanding some of the more critical commentary on this thread w.r.t. to the Russian SMO, e.g. Posted by: Akash | Mar 5 2023 20:31 utc | 84 @ shadowbanned | Mar 5 2023 16:13 utc | 22 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Mar 5 2023 20:33 utc | 85 ” The closest thing in history to the dream of a “Slavic Union” was the Soviet Union. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 20:34 utc | 86 …that the USA thinks things are going great. Posted by: Nobody | Mar 5 2023 20:35 utc | 87 ” I also think commenters are a bit unaware of what exactly Russia is doing here and how difficult/ballsy it is to take on the West militarily. The task Russia and the leadership has placed on themselves is enormous and very risky whatever path they choose. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 5 2023 20:44 utc | 88 The name of Russian journalist Alexander Kots from Komsomolskaya Pravda has been added to the Western sanctions list. Today he reports about his visit to Artemovsk/Bakhmut. There are still many civilians hiding there. https://www.kp.ru/daily/27473.5/4729512/ Posted by: Oblomovka daydream | Mar 5 2023 20:51 utc | 89 To those wondering if VVP is still beholden to oligarchs – I guess it’s possible. It was a long, slow task, wresting power from them, and my understanding as an outside observer is that ten years or more ago, the deal was that the remaining oligarchs could continue getting filthy rich providing they did not act against Russian national interests, and VVP would define what those interests were. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Mar 5 2023 20:51 utc | 90 Seems like Iranian drones turned the tide of the war, no wonder the US is terrified of China providing Russia drones. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Mar 5 2023 20:58 utc | 91 With regards to the criticism of the handling/execution of the SMO on the part of the Russian authorities, I notice no one brings up the fact that the number of civilian casualties relative to actual military casualties is so low, with most of the former coming from the indiscriminate and/or targeted strikes (using US/NATO HIMARs) against the hapless civilians of Donetsk by the AFU, which for all practical purposes constitutes a terrorist campaign. This fact should be lauded by the critical commentators here. But instead is taken as weakness and a Shock and Awe approach so beloved by the West is vehemently advocated. Posted by: Akash | Mar 5 2023 21:03 utc | 92 immediate climate change Posted by: GT Stroller | Mar 5 2023 21:06 utc | 93 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 5 2023 16:26 utc | 27 Posted by: polarbear4 | Mar 5 2023 21:06 utc | 94 @ jpc | Mar 5 2023 16:17 utc | 24 Posted by: El Lissitzky | Mar 5 2023 21:12 utc | 95 Anatoli Shariy has a nice video on the Ukrainian scandals about food procurement for the military. English subtitles. Very sharp (and funny). Posted by: Susan Welsh | Mar 5 2023 21:13 utc | 96 @ JessDTruth | Mar 5 2023 18:37 utc | 64
By accidental opportunistic circumstance as the AFU fled in disorder in early ’22, ~10K+ RF troops, arms & materiel, 1,000s of civilians at risk, ended up on the opposite bank in an under threat broad shallow bridgehead with vulnerable, damaged & limited MSRs over the river, limited crossings being under constant AFU barrage & rocket attacks. Serving nil Strategic nor Operational purpose.
See: Comment to Arrnon below.
Comprehension ? Literate ?
Yet you did, oh thank you, thank you so very much. Not my leader, Dear or otherwise. Your link is entirely irrelevant to my post, the subject matter & the source is unassessable(sic). Your comment is entirely irrelevant, and also in regard to my reply to you. 🙁 Ukraine mobilisation update, posted by @skadefron today on Twitter: Posted by: Irish | Mar 5 2023 21:16 utc | 98 too 75 and 76 about serbian weapons Posted by: Paul | Mar 5 2023 21:24 utc | 99 and the clown show continues: Posted by: Irish | Mar 5 2023 21:29 utc | 100 |
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