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March 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-53
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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》》》: Dan Farrand | Mar 3 2023 20:32 utc | 32 Posted by: Ghost Ship | Mar 4 2023 2:47 utc | 101 Irish #117
Atta boy Ro Khanna you do that and be sure to relocate that chip manufacture somewhere near East Palestine in Ohio so no one will notice the toxic waste running along with the rainbow water. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2023 2:56 utc | 102
Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:03 utc | 103
Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:05 utc | 104 Pepe Escobar on TW:
Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 4 2023 3:06 utc | 105
Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:11 utc | 106 Down South #126
Thank you. I guess to the casual observer there seems to be a high level of wasted shelling on random residential areas of cities especially Donetsk and suburbs. That spiteful behavior is unlikely to stem the Russian tide of freedom but it sure could annoy suppliers. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2023 3:14 utc | 107
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35764 Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:18 utc | 108 @ Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 4 2023 0:48 utc | 95 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Mar 4 2023 3:20 utc | 109
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35768 Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:20 utc | 110
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/35783 Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:22 utc | 111 Posted by: @vec | Mar 3 2023 20:55 utc | 47 Posted by: Down South | Mar 4 2023 3:26 utc | 112 @105 Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Mar 4 2023 3:33 utc | 113 @8: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 4 2023 3:40 utc | 114 Anti Spiegel has posted this translation of a letter from the director of a military history museum in Rostov on Don to the German ambassador in Moscow: Posted by: the pessimist | Mar 4 2023 3:58 utc | 115 @ Irish | Mar 4 2023 0:50 utc | 96 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Mar 4 2023 3:59 utc | 116 Please forgive, B, I,just posted this on yesterday’s blog by mistake. It is for today. Posted by: HelenB | Mar 4 2023 4:03 utc | 117 @ Irish | Mar 4 2023 0:50 utc | 96 @ psychohistorian | Mar 4 2023 1:32 utc | 106 For those really pro Russia but angry at why Russia don’t do simple things like mass tank charges here’s the reason why. The Eye in the Sky that sees everything. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 5:12 utc | 120 There is a posting up at ZH with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 4 2023 5:19 utc | 121
There is no evidence indeed. We agree on that. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 5:28 utc | 122
This is a better-be-caught-with-than-without situation, but still, it is deeply, deeply humiliating. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 5:30 utc | 123 [139] Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 4 2023 5:40 utc | 124
All those war gaming exercises from the years prior to the war that always showed Russian defeating NATO assumed unrestricted rules of engagement, meaning that AWACS planes go down within the first minutes, and the most important satellites are destroyed/blinded. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 5:47 utc | 125 And to recap the sinking of the Moskva. Buying much into the Nazi propaganda of claiming undeserved “winnings”? Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 6:00 utc | 126 Btw, both Russia and China are doing everything they can to stop WW3 that US is desperately trying to start. So both are acting very prudently and not reacting in manners that US is trying to provoke them into doing. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 6:02 utc | 127
Not shooting down RQ-4s in April 2022 has made a nuclear war much more likely, not less likely. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 6:06 utc | 128 “This is a better-be-caught-with-than-without situation, but still, it is deeply, deeply humiliating. Posted by: veto | Mar 4 2023 6:16 utc | 129 @ Paul Greenwood @ 5:40 utc Posted by: malenkov | Mar 4 2023 6:22 utc | 130 @ psychohistorian | Mar 4 2023 5:19 utc | 150 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Mar 4 2023 6:25 utc | 131 Re. EU “war economy”. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2023 6:28 utc | 132 Not shooting down RQ-4s in April 2022 has made a nuclear war much more likely, not less likely. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 6:33 utc | 133 You are right . Trump’s real surname was Drumpf and then changed to Trumpf and then to Trump during the First World War ; so they could not be singled out as German descendants. Posted by: Brother Ma | Mar 4 2023 6:36 utc | 134 Here’s another very good analysis that explains why Russia is moving “too slow” in Bakhmut. It’s those open plains and thin forest belts. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 6:42 utc | 135 @ Alex Vadim | Mar 4 2023 6:25 utc | 160 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 4 2023 6:43 utc | 136 @LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2023 18:40 utc | 7
I did some “fact checking”
Posted by: Norwegian | Mar 4 2023 6:46 utc | 137
I know the story. I also know how it ended — the US backed down (although several months later Suleimani was assasinated). Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 6:49 utc | 138 @ psychohistorian | Mar 4 2023 6:43 utc | 165 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Mar 4 2023 6:58 utc | 139 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 6:49 utc | 167 Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 7:07 utc | 140 @56 Lightyearsfromhome Posted by: Dadda | Mar 4 2023 7:07 utc | 141 The slaughter is incredible. The Russian reports are very much real compared to the fantasies from the Nazis. Count the casualties, check out the photos of huge cemeteries in Naziland for the dead, check out the photos of masses of dead Nazis on the scattered battlefields. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 7:15 utc | 142 We’re looking at easily a daily toll of 1 thousand dead and wounded. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 7:16 utc | 143 The Point CGTN: Liu Xin with Ray McGovern 30mins Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 4 2023 7:32 utc | 144 Orban’s most interesting statements from the interview in Weltwoche. Posted by: mo3 | Mar 4 2023 7:44 utc | 145 From Cyberspec News today Zelensky on a Dias with some politician or other who says:
As always, highly selective, incomplete, manipulative false ‘assertions’, or simply consciously deliberately defective omission & wilful ignorance, hm ?
US again, backed down, shut down & shut up, and has done nothing in response to those multiple, overt, forewarned, precision MRBM strikes on it’s ‘Sovereign’/Extra-territorial military bases in Iraq. Hm ? #33, snake, Anyone want to guess what happens if (when) EU starts placing sanctions on China? Posted by: Alfa Panda | Mar 4 2023 8:10 utc | 148 Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 4 2023 7:13 utc | 171 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 4 2023 8:22 utc | 149 ? Suleimani was assasinated first. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Mar 4 2023 8:24 utc | 150 @Surferket 172 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 4 2023 8:28 utc | 151 Cracks on Nordstream appearing – if not yet in MSM Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 4 2023 8:28 utc | 152 @ Haassaan | Mar 4 2023 7:44 utc | 177
People here seem to think that this is the USSR with multiple layers of redundancy and strategic objects located so deep in the interior that they are untouchable to anything other than ICBMs. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 8:56 utc | 154 @ Biswapriya Purkayast #187 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 4 2023 9:01 utc | 155 Down South #135 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 4 2023 9:04 utc | 156 @ Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 4 2023 8:44 utc | 187
See: Admiralty Code … Rheinmetall planning to open tank factory in Ukraine by 2026. That sounds completely crazy, but the most likely explanation is they are offered some EU subsidies. Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2023 9:25 utc | 158 Senator Biden, 1997: Posted by: jpc | Mar 4 2023 9:42 utc | 159 182 one hopes to check the insurance contract well for acts of God and acts of Kalibration Posted by: hankster | Mar 4 2023 10:08 utc | 160 Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 5:12 utc | 149 Posted by: Milites | Mar 4 2023 10:09 utc | 161 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 8:56 utc | 178 Posted by: Humbert Humbert | Mar 4 2023 10:19 utc | 162 Rheinmetall planning to open tank factory in Ukraine by 2026. That sounds completely crazy, but the most likely explanation is they are offered some EU subsidies. Posted by: mo3 | Mar 4 2023 10:20 utc | 163 Nazism and capitalism are bottom line very bad cases of lying shills. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 4 2023 10:23 utc | 164 Posted by: Milites | Mar 4 2023 10:09 utc | 184 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 4 2023 10:30 utc | 165 Re: Posted by: Outraged | Mar 4 2023 9:06 utc | 181 Posted by: Julian | Mar 4 2023 10:33 utc | 166
Here it is. No English subtitles. Posted by: Leuk | Mar 4 2023 11:14 utc | 167
What fantasies? What world are you bozos living in? Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 11:15 utc | 168
Sachs is a very curious case. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 11:20 utc | 169 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Mar 4 2023 10:30 utc | 168 Posted by: Milites | Mar 4 2023 11:21 utc | 170 Interesting video on WarNews of Progozhin making an appeal to Zelensky to allow his forces to leave. What’s interesting are the three “soldiers” who appear on the video after Prigozhin. Looks like Ukraine is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. The article is in Greek. I’m putting it up here just for the video. Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Mar 4 2023 11:40 utc | 171 Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 11:15 utc | 172 Posted by: Humbert Humbert | Mar 4 2023 11:56 utc | 172 Posted by: Humbert Humbert | Mar 4 2023 11:56 utc | 176 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2023 12:01 utc | 173 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 3 2023 19:53 utc | 21 Posted by: Lantern Dude | Mar 4 2023 12:18 utc | 174
Do we need to know what the red line is? Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 12:21 utc | 175 @ Milites | Mar 4 2023 10:09 utc | 164 Posted by: Alex Vadim | Mar 4 2023 12:24 utc | 176 This piece at Politico about the Oral History of US & Western officials reaction from about 2021 April onwards to the beginning of the military escalation is quite a read. Posted by: Fuzzy Wuzzy | Mar 4 2023 12:32 utc | 177 http://avia.pro/news/ssha-predlozhili-kitayu-okazat-voennuyu-pomoshch-ukraine It appears possibly, the US is recognizing the the assault on Russia is not producing nor will produce the desired results it would like to move on to the matter of China in what should prove to be the crowning acheivement on the neocon to-do list. It can leave the matter of Ukraine to the diplomats to work out an acceptable definition of “winning”. The fun and excitement have gone out of it, surely the malignancy will continue for some years. Posted by: jared | Mar 4 2023 13:09 utc | 179 ⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (4 March 2023) Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2023 13:13 utc | 180 @ Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Mar 4 2023 12:48 utc | 182 Posted by: jared | Mar 4 2023 13:16 utc | 181 Posted by: CommiesGOFY | Mar 4 2023 12:48 utc | 182 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 4 2023 13:16 utc | 182 Financial Times interviewed a participant in the terrorist attack on Bryansk villages Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 4 2023 13:17 utc | 183 Posted by: Accidentshappy | Mar 4 2023 13:11 utc | 185 Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 4 2023 13:17 utc | 184 @ Posted by: Accidentshappy | Mar 4 2023 13:11 utc | 185 Posted by: jared | Mar 4 2023 13:25 utc | 185 @185 Posted by: paddy | Mar 4 2023 13:28 utc | 186 A huge amount of weapons, including foreign arms, are abandoned in Artyomovsk itself. Posted by: Chris | Mar 4 2023 13:58 utc | 187 Ukraine is active demonstration of the benfits of NATO membership. Posted by: Exile | Mar 4 2023 14:01 utc | 188 194: @ Down South 19 Posted by: Giyane | Mar 4 2023 14:30 utc | 190 “ It would seem that the Ukrainians had sought publicity before they discovered that they had massacred their own troops. Posted by: DunGroanin | Mar 4 2023 14:39 utc | 191 Psycho @ 138 Posted by: KlutchKargo | Mar 4 2023 14:54 utc | 192 “Ukraine needs 600 to 800 tanks to win”
For €200 million in investments you can already built a “tank factory” in Ukraine? I doubt that. Sure, the country is ruined, but this looks more like a Leopard I and II maintenance facility that would always be a legitimate Russian target. Anyway, it is a future plan and the thought alone counts: the NATOnalization of this war construction called “Ukraine” continues and the and the German elite are losing their minds. Posted by: Konrad | Mar 4 2023 15:10 utc | 193 Tanks, but no tanks… Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 4 2023 15:32 utc | 194 The biggest unknown (at least to me) is how will Russia and China respond when Iran is attacked? And at the moment, it is possibly the only true unknown preventing such an attack from happening. Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Mar 4 2023 15:35 utc | 195 Posted by: Milites | Mar 4 2023 10:09 utc | 164 Posted by: anon2020 | Mar 4 2023 15:36 utc | 196
They’ll welcome it (unless it’s a nuclear attack, of course). That might even be the trigger for China taking back Taiwan and perhaps for North Korea finally taking over South Korea. By that time the US might be at the point where it has to be sending its own troops to Ukraine too if it is not to be fully lost. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 15:42 utc | 197 He confirmed that about 45 people participated in the raid. Earlier, incidentally, the Kiev authorities claimed that what was happening was a civil war inside Russia, which Ukraine had nothing to do with. Posted by: rk | Mar 4 2023 15:53 utc | 198 Few American know and are unaccquainted.
I’ll leave it there. Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 4 2023 16:00 utc | 199 ” Then Iran, 5 days after the Gen Soleimani assassination: executed Operation Martyr Soleimani on Jan082020, where IRGC launched over 12 ballistic missiles at the US Ayn al-Asad airbase in Al Anbar Governorate, western Iraq, as well as the US airbase in Erbil, Kurdistan Iraq:- Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 4 2023 16:04 utc | 200 |
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