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March 3, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-53
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Apologies to, Tacitus:
Increasing de-industrialisation? Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 3 2023 18:18 utc | 2 Primer & reminder re Karlof1’s excellent recent multi-thread posts re Lavrov/Ukraine/wider conflict objectives … not more recent US instigated Chechen Wars I & II (’94-’96 & ’99-2k to 2k-’09), (US/NATO) instigated Georgian War 2008 or more recent Macron & Merkel re Crimea/Maidan, Minsk I & II … let’s step back to ’90/’91 …
Something that’s never been commented on. Posted by: jpc | Mar 3 2023 18:30 utc | 4 Eurofreedom comes to Moldovia. Posted by: Arioch | Mar 3 2023 18:31 utc | 5 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 3 2023 18:25 utc | 3 Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Mar 3 2023 18:49 utc | 6 Melitopol is officially the capital of Zaporozhye oblast: Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 3 2023 18:56 utc | 7 Armed Forces of Ukraine draw up reserves to Kupyansk Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2023 18:58 utc | 8 @ 8 Posted by: Test | Mar 3 2023 19:10 utc | 9 France and those countries with F 16’s will now fast track deliveries of Mirage 2000 and F 16 fighter’s. Posted by: jgalt | Mar 3 2023 19:21 utc | 10 @ SattaMassaGana | Mar 3 2023 18:49 utc | 9
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@ i seem 2 b banned | Mar 3 2023 18:44 utc | 8 Shift in the propaganda machine. Something’s up, sympathy play for more intervention? Lie is about to smash into reality, best to start winding it down? Posted by: Ramsey Glissadevil | Mar 3 2023 19:45 utc | 12 The following links are in German but you don’t need the text, just look at the photos – according to the newspaper another 150 ships full of weapons are planned: Posted by: Zet | Mar 3 2023 19:48 utc | 13
Posted by: jgalt | Mar 3 2023 19:21 utc | 14 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 19:49 utc | 14 Anyia of “Through The Eyes of” Youtube channel has a new interview up with Scott Ritter and Andrei Martyanov… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 3 2023 19:53 utc | 15 So, is it the case that the Russian high command has seen through Zelenskyy’s brutally barbaric and cynical ploy to leave behind “cannon fodder” in Bakhmut, and elsewhere, while withdrawing his best trained, equipped, and most fit, troops to fight again another day? Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 3 2023 20:02 utc | 16
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Posted by: Down South | Mar 3 2023 20:09 utc | 18 Ramsey Glissadevil @ 16 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2023 20:09 utc | 19 Posted by: Babel-17 | Mar 3 2023 20:02 utc | 22 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 3 2023 20:14 utc | 20 🇪🇺🇨🇳🇺🇦🇷🇺EU will impose sanctions against China if it receives confirmation of arms supplies to Russia Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2023 20:16 utc | 21 Not the best of weeks for Ukraine. Sending nazi to shoot at Russian school children after you just told the people of the United States that their sons and daughters will have to fight and die for your country might actually not have been such a bright idea after all. Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Mar 3 2023 20:20 utc | 22 Weeb Union, DPA, Military Summary and others are reporting that Ukrainians are retreating from Artyomovsk. CONGRATULATIONS TO RUSSIA, WAGNER, AND ALL RUSSIA SUPPORTERS. Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Mar 3 2023 20:21 utc | 23 Opinions may vary about Jim Rickards, but he has this piece up https://dailyreckoning.com/one-of-the-biggest-propaganda-campaigns-ever/ that has some resonance with b’s earlier thread about ‘the spectacle’.
Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 20:23 utc | 24 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2023 20:09 utc | 25 Posted by: unimperator | Mar 3 2023 20:27 utc | 25 New York Times on probably the most important War Games of the 21st Century so far:
Posted by: Biely | Mar 3 2023 20:33 utc | 26 Surprisingly for some, the ‘Western MSM’ does not have a monolopy on letters of the alphabet depicting news sites. Posted by: krl | Mar 3 2023 20:37 utc | 27 “Spare any change, mate”. The habitual beggar is back again, needing more support for his addiction.
Uncounted $billions, but at the ‘Beggars Banquet’ he still claims to be cold and hungry. Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 20:39 utc | 28 Anyone want to guess what happens if (when) EU starts placing sanctions on China? Posted by: snake | Mar 3 2023 20:39 utc | 29 Shadowbanned @ 10: Posted by: Jen | Mar 3 2023 20:41 utc | 30 @17 Posted by: Bob In Portland, Ore | Mar 3 2023 20:48 utc | 31 West of England Andy @ 35: Posted by: Jen | Mar 3 2023 20:48 utc | 32 jgalt @14 Posted by: paddy paddy.kivlin@p | Mar 3 2023 20:48 utc | 33 unimperator @ 27
Me and everyone else will be walking around naked and shoeless, cars up on blocks in the front yard, no parts for bikes either, we will all be on +10y/o computers and phones until they die out. Forget fancy 3nm microchips they might as well be lumps of sand without generic capacitors, resistors, transistors to make them do their digital age magic, guess where most of those come from? In short back to the stone age. Maybe we’ll be better off for it: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2023 20:49 utc | 34 Posted by: Biely | Mar 3 2023 20:33 utc | 33 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 3 2023 20:49 utc | 35 A lot of the senior Russian commanders in the field were junior officers during the First Chechen War and appalled at the outcome of the disastrous decision to storm Grozny. The original plan had been to lay siege to the capital, but the order to seize the city was given so as to give the Defence Minister, General Grachev, a birthday present. Russians, like the US don’t do cities, their doctrine is quite specific, surround, contain and bypass. In Bakhmut you can see this in operation, Russian regular forces protect Wagner’s flanks, who slowly nibble away at the perimeter and try to effect an encirclement. Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2023 20:52 utc | 36 Bob in Portland @ 39: Posted by: Jen | Mar 3 2023 20:53 utc | 37 Cartoon on Ukrainian mobilization: https://t.me/crimeasees/51 Posted by: Arioch | Mar 3 2023 20:55 utc | 38 Down South 23, 24 (& EVERY DAY!) Posted by: @vec | Mar 3 2023 20:55 utc | 39 Posted by: Jen | Mar 3 2023 20:48 utc | 40 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 20:58 utc | 40 @ jgalt #14 Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 3 2023 20:58 utc | 41 Kaptain Kirby speaks” Posted by: Sanctions R US | Mar 3 2023 21:02 utc | 42 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2023 20:49 utc | 42 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 3 2023 21:03 utc | 43 @ West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 19:49 utc | 18
@ Zet | Mar 3 2023 19:48 utc | 17 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 19:49 utc | 18 Posted by: Milites | Mar 3 2023 21:15 utc | 45 What’s the difference between a Leopard I and a lump of coal? Posted by: John Schmeeckle | Mar 3 2023 21:24 utc | 46 This is so extraordinary I had to link it. Bonzo went to Bitburg, shouldn’t Biden be here to bookend it? Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 3 2023 21:24 utc | 47 “BEIJING, March 3 – “We firmly oppose US arms sales to China’s Taiwan region and have made solemn representations to the US side,” remarked Senior Colonel Tan Kefei, a spokesperson for China’s Ministry of National Defense, when asked by the press to make comments on the latest US arms sale to Taiwan on Friday” Posted by: rk | Mar 3 2023 21:36 utc | 48 Posted by: Outraged | Mar 3 2023 21:05 utc | 53 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 21:39 utc | 49 Ukies demolishing bridges in Artemivsk and the TG/Twit channels going operationally silent. It’s about to get good! Posted by: LGB! | Mar 3 2023 21:47 utc | 50 Re Russian decision to completely encircle Bakhmut and leaving an escape route -humanitarian corridor – is shrewd from PR move. It achieves the goal of capturing the city without shooting helpless “fish in a barrel,” some of which are conscripted minors and disabled pensioners. For western audiences, this is a narrative war and Russia choosing “discretion is the better part Posted by: Willow | Mar 3 2023 22:05 utc | 52 It seems like bahkmut is about to fall. Yesterday it was a line about reinforcements coming in, but now I guess they’re not. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 3 2023 22:15 utc | 53 Posted by: Willow | Mar 3 2023 22:05 utc | 62 Posted by: HERMIUS | Mar 3 2023 22:28 utc | 54 UK Telegraph reporting Ukraine Withdrawing from Bakhmut
Posted by: The Accountant | Mar 3 2023 22:31 utc | 55 @ HERMIUS | Mar 3 2023 22:04 utc | 61 Posted by: dfg | Mar 3 2023 22:36 utc | 56 – Mr. President, Ukraine sent some nazis over the Russian border to shoot at 10 year-olds! Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 3 2023 22:36 utc | 57 Toy ships, escorted by my rubber ducky, in the bathtub, perhaps ? Gag me with a spoon. Lotsa BS so far … Posted by: Zet | Mar 3 2023 22:39 utc | 58 Posted by HERMIUS Posted by: Willow | Mar 3 2023 22:43 utc | 59 People are asking what was the propose of German chancellor Shultz visit to Washington today? Simply a satrap visiting the emperor and pledging allegiance to the empire again after his infrastructure was blown up on the order of the emperor. Is fun to see German and Germany are being so degraded and humiliated by the Americans in the eye of the world. People with so little dignity do deserve it. Posted by: Kooshy | Mar 3 2023 22:52 utc | 60 Last month the NYT reported Bahkmut as a ‘Strategic city’, now it’s reported as a ‘city that has limited strategic value’…
The above is a single unidentified uncorroborated anonymous ‘tip’, which if true, would constitute an extra-ordinary logistics ramp-up compared to delivery/transfers rates/intervals over Jan/Feb. ~30-50/month, 1-2 ships per day continuous for 3-5 months ? Pass … A few days back I inquired about the veracity of an article in the New York Times about an alleged great victory by Ukraine over Russia. Now we learn that Ukraine had massacred some of its own troops. Posted by: Elmer Fudd | Mar 3 2023 23:08 utc | 62 Former Australian diplomat Tony Kevin on China’s Peace Plan Posted by: bevin | Mar 3 2023 23:10 utc | 63 Next on the hitlist: Posted by: Irish | Mar 3 2023 23:11 utc | 64 Irish | Mar 3 2023 23:11 utc | 75 Posted by: Sektion2B | Mar 3 2023 23:21 utc | 65 All this talk about beer is making me thirsty, and all I have is tequila. My poor kidneys. Posted by: Quid Me Vexare | Mar 3 2023 23:30 utc | 66 @ jgalt | Mar 3 2023 19:21 utc | 14 Posted by: jgalt | Mar 3 2023 23:33 utc | 67 Posted by: West of England Andy | Mar 3 2023 21:39 utc | 58 Posted by: Mexicana | Mar 3 2023 23:35 utc | 68 @zet # 68 Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 3 2023 23:40 utc | 69 re;CNN article CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that on February 28, 2023, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to: Posted by: crazycanuck | Mar 3 2023 23:46 utc | 70 “Last month the NYT reported Bahkmut as a ‘Strategic city’, now it’s reported as a ‘city that has limited strategic value“ Posted by: Kooshy | Mar 4 2023 0:02 utc | 71 For those who follow him https://twitter.com/GeromanAT is back. Posted by: JohninMK | Mar 4 2023 0:02 utc | 72 Andrei Martyanov has piece up ;;; Posted by: crone | Mar 4 2023 0:04 utc | 73 Early and significant warming coming Ukraine’s way (not to mention the whole of Asia, including Siberia where perma-melt is going to release crazy clathrate hydrates and methane. Could be record year for northern fire extremes up there.) Posted by: Irish | Mar 4 2023 0:06 utc | 74 @ Kooshy | Mar 3 2023 22:52 utc | 70 Posted by: Kooshy | Mar 4 2023 0:06 utc | 75 @ crazycanuck | Mar 3 2023 23:46 utc | 82
You did not even read your proffered link … within 6 months … Putin should … Defense Minister should ? Ukraine outgunned 10 to 1 in massive artillery battle with Russia – El Pais (English)
Do recall mentioning AFU ammo/tube increasingly critical shortages over past few months, as well as accelerating tube extinction. Overwhelming Fire Support ratio disparity. MSM_of_Lies is catching up. Published along with similar others, myriad indicators for months Empire will abandon Banderastan … Mar/Apr/MayJun/Jul ? Zelensky could have just honoured the Minsk Agreement. Posted by: LGB! | Mar 4 2023 0:29 utc | 79 M. K. BHADRAKUMAR at his best in his current examination of India’s role in the G20. Ukraine has changed everything. Posted by: bevin | Mar 4 2023 0:30 utc | 80 For those serious about what’s happening in Ukraine you should bookmark this site for regular visits. Posted by: Surferket | Mar 4 2023 0:31 utc | 81 @ jgalt | Mar 3 2023 23:33 utc | 79 Posted by: jgalt | Mar 4 2023 0:38 utc | 82 Seen Prigozhin’s video with the captured Volkssturm? Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Mar 4 2023 0:48 utc | 83 Ha Ha…isn’t he all cool and funny. Posted by: Irish | Mar 4 2023 0:50 utc | 84 When this is done and over, and the Donbass plus southern territories are Russia’s, will the Wagner group leave or might they fill the political vacuum as provisional government in some parts? How would this work for Russia? Posted by: Irish | Mar 4 2023 0:59 utc | 85
If you actually red the laws that were passed in September and the changes in the constitution, Kherson was the regional capital of Kherson oblast, although they had no actual maps there. But that was clearly stated. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 1:06 utc | 86
Yeah, and Azov were exchanged in Mariupol and are now back fighting, and they left a similar “humanitarian corridor” instead of annihilating AFU in Lysichansk, and guess what happened? AFU was back at a vast numeric superiority to take back eastern Kharkov oblast. Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 4 2023 1:10 utc | 87 Posted by: crazycanuck | Mar 3 2023 23:46 utc | 82 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 4 2023 1:14 utc | 88 This is good from another sane UK military and diplomatic head: Posted by: Don Firineach | Mar 4 2023 1:21 utc | 89 Outraged @3– Below is the beginning of a Reuters posting that I have not seen reported here
All these unannounced visits makes one think that the pot might be boiling and about to overflow……GRIN Posted by: psychohistorian | Mar 4 2023 1:32 utc | 91 Re: Posted by: shadowbanned | Mar 3 2023 18:56 utc | 10
That would certainly be my interpretation. Posted by: Julian | Mar 4 2023 1:41 utc | 92 150 Military cargo ships coming into German ports? I guess a new sport can be developed… Posted by: circumspect | Mar 4 2023 1:43 utc | 93 Poll shows far too many Americans still full of themselves, “Number of Americans Who Want US to Manage Global Affairs Drops to Lowest It’s Ever Been, Poll Shows”, numbers that must drop below 30% before any sort of Movement can make any headway. IMO, polls like this give Neocons all the succor they need. @ 105 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Mar 4 2023 1:55 utc | 95 Ukrainian Neo-Nazi group claims responsibility for Bryansk attack: Posted by: Nate | Mar 4 2023 2:02 utc | 96 @100 this is correct, and if the afu wants to hold people hostage, shoot anyways. They’ll stop trying if it doesn’t work will save lives in the long run. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 4 2023 2:10 utc | 97 De-industrialisation of Taiwan? Posted by: Irish | Mar 4 2023 2:16 utc | 98 After the G20 in India unravelled somewhat because of the US belligerence isn’t it time to have an annual G20-1 meeting? A bit like OPEC+ but now a G20 without the US. Posted by: digital dinosaur | Mar 4 2023 2:20 utc | 99 Russian Wagner group advances towards Kiev-occupied Artemovsk: Posted by: Nate | Mar 4 2023 2:26 utc | 100 |
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