Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
March 11, 2023
Ukraine Is Lying About Casualty Ratios To Justify Holding Of Bakhmut

I follow and like Adam Tooze. His Chartbooks have always good materials. This recent one on the Silicon Valley Bank crash is also fine.

But I was somewhat disturbed by a recent tweet of his:

Adam Tooze @adam_tooze – 20:11 UTC · Mar 9, 2023

"Some experts worry Ukraine may be expending high-quality troops and equipment to kill mere Russian prison recruits as “cannon fodder”." Wow the language around the attritional battle at Bakhmut is getting grotesque! 7:1 ratio not good enough for you?

Link: ft.com Military briefing: Ukraine’s battle of diminishing returns for Bakhmut

Was that satire?

Moon of Alabama @MoonofA – 20:14 UTC Mar 9, 2023
Replying to @adam_tooze

7:1 to whose advantage?

He did not respond. But no, it was not satire. The linked Financial Times piece, reprinted in the Irish Times, actually quotes the Ukrainian national security chief Oleksiy Danilov as saying that the kill ratio was one to seven in Ukraine's favor.

The whole passage is nuts:

US and European officials estimate 200,000 Russian troops have been killed or seriously injured since February last year, and Ukraine about half that.

One western official said Russia had suffered “between 20,000 and 30,000 casualties over the past six months”, adding that most of them were mercenaries fighting for the Wagner private military company. Wagner’s operations have been largely focused on Bakhmut.

Nato officials estimate one Ukrainian had been killed or injured for every five Russians. Ukrainian national security chief Oleksiy Danilov last week estimated the ratio was “one to seven in our favour”.

This makes no sense. Had 200,000 Russian's be killed or seriously wounded in the war while 20,000 to 30,000 of those were killed or wounded in the past six month then the first six month of the war would have cost the Russian side 175,000 losses. That's more than the total numbers that were, until the recent mobilization, involved in the whole campaign. Those numbers must have been pulled from hot air.

Danilov casualty ratio is likewise obvious nonsense.

The Medical Department of the U.S. Army has a book about CAUSATIVE AGENTS OF BATTLE CASUALTIES IN WORLD WAR II. It is quoted here:

A report on the causative agents of battle casualties in World War II showed the comparative incidence of casualties from different types of weapons for several theaters. Compilers of the report believed that, while the more detailed subdivisions within their three major classes were open to question, their findings on the percent of total casualties due to small arms, artillery and mortars, and “miscellaneous” were reasonably accurate. From these they drew the following conclusions:

1. Small arms fire accounted for between 14 and 31 percent of the total casualties, depending upon the theater of action: The Mediterranean theater, 14.0 percent; the European theater, 23.4 percent; and the Pacific theaters, 30.7 percent.

2. Artillery and mortar fire together accounted for 65 percent of the total casualties in the European and Mediterranean theaters, 64.0 and 69.1, respectively. In the Pacific, they accounted for 47.0 percent.

The Encyclopedia Britannica likewise notes for World War I:

The greatest number of casualties and wounds were inflicted by artillery, followed by small arms, and then by poison gas.

When I was in officer school the number estimated for a big war in Europe was 75% of casualties due to artillery and aerial bombing.

Data from the European Commission, quoted by El Pais, says that Russia has a 10:1 advantage in artillery:

According to data from the European Commission to which EL PAÍS has had access, Russia fires between 40,000 and 50,000 artillery shells per day, compared to 5,000-6,000 Ukrainian forces expend. The Estonian government, which has been one of largest contributors to Kyiv’s war effort, puts the average use of artillery at between 20,000 and 60,000 Russian shells per day, and 2,000 to 7,000 Ukrainian rounds, according to a document sent to EU Member States by Tallinn, to which this newspaper has had access.

The Russian forces fire ten times the number of shells the Ukrainians can fire. In a modern war artillery fire causes 65+% of all casualties. It is thus impossible that Ukraine is losing less soldiers than the Russians.

The total ratio may well be 7 to 1 but it will certainly be to the advantage of the Russian forces side.

But minimizing the losses Ukraine has in Bakhmut seems to be a current propaganda scheme. A recent Newsweek piece quotes similar nonsense.

This propaganda seems to be designed to justify the Ukrainian decision to hang on to the city as long as possible:

Moscow's troops are on the cusp of taking the city in the eastern Donetsk region fought over for months, of which they reportedly control half. Amid rumors of a Ukrainian retreat Western officials suggested would do Kyiv no harm, President Volodymyr Zelensky insisted his troops would stay to prevent Russian forces from moving on "to other towns."

Already in January the U.S. was pressing the Ukraine to forget about Bakhmut and to move to a more mobile campaign:

In a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, deputy national security adviser Jon Finer, Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl, said the US wants to help Ukraine shift away from the sort of pitched battle of attrition playing out in Bakhmut and focus instead on a style of mechanized maneuver warfare that uses rapid, unanticipated movements against Russia, sources familiar with their discussion said.

The hundreds of armored vehicles the US and European countries have provided to Ukraine in recent weeks, including 14 British tanks, are meant to help Ukraine make that shift, officials said.

In his latest summary Dima of the Military Summary Channel reported that the Ukrainian side will soon try a counterattack to cut the Russian ring around Bakhmut and to draw the Russian side into a decisive general battle.

I see, like Dima, little chance that such an attempt could be successful. The force ratio to achieve something like that is simply not there.

But if the Ukraine wants to do that, against 'western' advice, it needs some justifications. The lies about casualty ratios in favor of Ukraine seem designed to give those.

Comments

As the Russians rarely report their combat losses (nor do the Ukes), the best estimates stem from BBC Russia and Mediazona. Those are around or below 20k KIA so far.
The figures are to a wide extent credible as they stem from browsing fallen soldiers’ funerals and obituaries in internet, media, social media, and most prolly digging/spying mail accounts. BBC and Mediazona are just proxies and mouthpieces for diligent intelligence agencies’ work. So far weekly KIA never exceeded 500 afaik, or at least not much. AFU losses in KIA regularly exceed 400 per day, sometimes peaking above 600.
Posted by: aquadraht | Mar 11 2023 21:12 utc | 65

And the upshot is that this sort of data gathering to count Russian casualties won’t even work in Ukraine, now a failed state. Many Ukraine KIA are left on the battlefield, as they don’t pick up their dead. Soldiers that could be saved in a functioning military with good medical care are left to die on the field of battle. Those killed by artillery, high explosives at close range are blown to bits, literally, or not whole enough to be identified. The point is that ID does NOT go back to the Kiev government, which would have to pay compensation to the families. A feature not a bug.

Posted by: Mike R | Mar 11 2023 22:58 utc | 101

” Prighozin announces that he is going to run for President.
https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/26541
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 11 2023 18:24 utc | 5 ”
If Russians fall for this ex-convict, Khazarian, scam artist they will deserve their fate.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 22:58 utc | 102

Despite wanting the globalists to suffer a humiliating and terminal defeat in Ukraine, I still haven’t the heart to cheer the senseless sending of Ukraine’s male population that are not Nazis to the slaughter.
Posted by: Micro Digger | Mar 11 2023 18:28 utc | 9 ”
Because you have common sense and logic.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:00 utc | 103

And the ENTIRE US FINACIAL SYSTEM, INCLUDING EVERY BANK, EVERY HEDGE FUND, EVEN THE US FEDERAL RESERVE, does not have to mark their “assets to market”. Silicon Valley Bank, with $25 Billion of New Worth is Insolvent. And so is the United States.
Posted by: kupkee | Mar 11 2023 18:25 utc | 6
That is incorrect. Hedge funds have to mark to market. The others use the historical cost principle with MTM losses shown in a shareholder equity sub-account named Other Comprehensive Income. There is also full disclosure within the notes to the financial statements, the place where all financial statement readers should start.

Posted by: First Time Poster | Mar 11 2023 23:00 utc | 104

” all are part of convincing the West that the money and weapons should keep flowing. This is short-term thinking at its worst.
Posted by: Tom E Weiss | Mar 11 2023 18:29 utc | 10 ”
Do you actually believe its Ukraine that wants this war to go on ? I guess you also believe the coup was also a Ukrainian idea. So sad.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:02 utc | 105

There is palpable quickening in world events these past few weeks/months.
Mexico applied to join the BRICS.
BRICS now surpasses G7 in global GDP.

Posted by: Irish | Mar 11 2023 23:02 utc | 106

A point to be made about this alleged Polish “largest army in Europe” stuff: it’s going to take years.
Poland is buying tons of weapons systems from other countries such as South Korea. It’s going to take years to integrate those systems into the Polish army and develop appropriate tactics and strategies to use those systems. It’s the exact same problem the Ukrainians are facing trying to integrate multiple disparate Western systems into what was previously a mixed Russian-equipped, NATO-trained military force. The results are apparent on the Ukrainian battlefield – it’s a disaster for Ukraine.
It will be a disaster for Poland if they try anything against Russia in Ukraine before they’re fully integrated those systems – and likely a disaster anyway as the Winter 20 war game showed.
So unless something that stupid is intended, what we might be seeing in this Polish military enhancement is an intent by NATO to establish a bulwark of sorts against so-called “Russian expansion”. This implies that NATO military sees what I see happening: Russia intends to place a Military District in western Ukraine with a massive military force capable of defending Ukrainian territory and Russia itself against any further encroachment from NATO – said encroachment intended to come from Poland. So NATO wants to match that Russian defense in Poland – and the Polish leadership is dumb enough to go along with that.
Now we ask the next question: What good is an inferior, if large, Polish army – much like the large and equally inferior Ukrainian army – against the obviously much larger and much better equipped Russian army? Poland and Romania have the Aegis Ashore installations which are a strategic threat to Russia. As karlof1 has pointed out, these need to be countered. I say they’re going to be countered by a Russian military district in western Ukraine with more potent strategic weapons systems such as the Zircon and Kinzhal in addition to a large ground and air contingent.
So we have two large, if unequal, forces facing each other across a border – exactly like the first Cold War. Strategically the situation seems similar – except that these days, there can be no US reinforcement of the trip-wire forces that NATO used to have in Europe due to Russia’s ability to strike the reinforcements coming from the US via ship and air. Unlike in the first Cold War, Russia can destroy the entire command and control of NATO in the first hours of a conflict.
So what’s the point? And what’s the outcome of such a confrontation – WWIII? And what should Russia do to preempt this situation, if anything? Is Russia going to have to conduct a preemptive invasion of Poland? Is the West forcing Russia to do what the West frequently accuses it of doing, namely conquering all of Europe?
Is the West making WWIII a self-fulfilling prophecy? This would not surprise me, since humans always make mistakes and then compound those mistakes in trying to fix the first mistakes. The bottom line appears to be: The West wants to destroy Russia, so Russia is going to be forced to destroy the West.
I’ve been assuming that all Russia wanted to do with this Ukraine war was counter the strategic weapons in Poland and Romania. Now I must consider that Russia sees that only the complete military and economic destruction of the West – to include the US – is the solution to Russia’s security concerns.
Unless someone can take out the West’s leadership before that happens…

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 23:04 utc | 107

” Zelensky recently said that the US would have to send their sons and daughters to the frontline. Why should that be if Ukraine is recording lower number of casualties than Russia?
Posted by: Steve | Mar 11 2023 19:06 utc | 24
Look into predictive programming and how populations are prepped for future actions. Biden also said US troops would be in Ukraine at some point.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:05 utc | 108

What is a a real example of modern warfare, that the West are talking about? There probably aren’t many examples, where two modern armies are facing each other, for a prolonged period. The Falklands War? The Ukrainian strategy seems to be French – focusing on strong points, such the Maginot Line and Dien Bien Phu (Alexander M pointed out that latter comparison). Though the Ukrainians do seem to have a sprinkle of Stalinism in their strategy, with Stalin’s Order Number 227. The Russian approach in many respects seems more modern than that of Ukraine.

Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 11 2023 23:10 utc | 109

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 22:58 utc | 103
Look at the video before posting! Prighozin according to subtitles is talking about running for president of Ukraine, not Russia…

Posted by: Moses | Mar 11 2023 23:10 utc | 110

” The problem is they are all Nazis and they all deserve a slow and painful death.
Posted by: armalyte | Mar 11 2023 20:36 utc | 59 ”
Your stupidity shines brightly.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:11 utc | 111

@107. The failure of the farcical Biden administration is not yet complete. As long as Russia hangs in there the fabric will continue to fissure.
The China deal for peace between Iran and SA was incredible even though it was rumored months before.
A Syrian deal to remove the US troops there is coming too. No local power except the hated Kurds and Israelis want it and they are small players. China is already pushing the issue
They also are rumoring the Ukrainian war will over in summer under russian terms. People in lvov and kiev are wondering why oppressing the donbass is worth so much. I mean if they don’t want to be part of ukraine isn’t that just like ukraine not wanting to be part of russia? Hypocrisy is fine, but it’s not very convincing.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 11 2023 23:12 utc | 112

Here’s something interesting and hopefully true. Since officially there are no NAFU soldiers in Naziland then Russia is only destroying Nazi militants. Note some reports of 20,000 dead Polish “mercenaries”.

In western Ukraine, the Russian hypersonic missile Kinzhal struck an 80-meter-deep bunker. The RF believes this bunker near Lvov was a NATO strategic command point used to control anti-aircraft systems. It’s still early to confirm the information, but the RF assumes there were up to 300 personnel in the bunker, 40 of whom were high-ranking foreign specialists; hence, we can expect 40 body bags to be heading west in due course. Unconfirmed reports state that in the Nikolaev region, the RF destroyed four senior militants and a number of officers and planners.
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/09/2nd-kinzhal-attack-hits-natos-western-command-center-400-feet-underground-40-killed/
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Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:12 utc | 113

” The Ukrainians elites disregard for the lives of their men is beyond normal compression at this point.
Posted by: jpc | Mar 11 2023 20:53 utc | 61 ”
The ((( Ukrainian ))) elite arent really Ukrainian. I thought it was obvious by now.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:13 utc | 114

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 22:58 utc | 103
Surely you knew he meant as President of Ukraine.
Don’t be so obviously a troll who create outright lies.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:16 utc | 115

” What is a a real example of modern warfare, that the West are talking about? =
Posted by: Technophobe | Mar 11 2023 23:10 utc | 110 ”
The Arab – Khazarian wars as they fulfill the requirements for modern battles.

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:22 utc | 116

Here’s a very nice vid of a Ukie column of apcs trying to leave Bakhmut hiding behind a line of trees. They got plastered by Russian artillery and their demounted infantry sought to hide in the treeline but got hammered by artillery too. Seems nome of the apcs managed to mke it out.
https://t.me/intelslava/45711

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:28 utc | 117

” Despite all that’s happened Russia still regards Germany as the key to its future relationship with Europe ; it has no such views toward the Polacks and eventually there will be a ninth partition of Poland . Though the form it will take is impossible to fore see because it is to far off
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Mar 11 2023 23:23 utc | 118 ”
Keep dreaming, the indigenous German population is collapsing while , at the same time, Germany is being flooded with millions of various invaders. Germany will turn into war ravaged Syria before it will be of any use to Russia. Contrary to popular US inspired delusions, a nation is its people not some idiotic concept of citizenship.
Unless the indigenous Germans decide to go on a massive ” house cleaning ” spree Germany is done and over with. Just like Great Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, France, Belgium ……..

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 23:29 utc | 118

Prigozhin as President of Ukraine?
I could get behind that. But it’s unlikely to happen, first because he’s Russian, he ran Wagner and few Ukrainians will vote for a guy who massacred tens of thousands of their relatives.
But primarily because there isn’t likely to be a Ukraine with a President when this is over. In my view, “Ukraine” will cease to exist as a sovereign state and will instead return to being what the name means: Russia’s “borderlands”, i.e., just another set of Russian oblasts under the Russian Federation.
I suppose it’s possible that Russia will allow “Ukraine” to remain some sort of “federated set of oblasts” with their own identity, or a “republic” such as Chechnya. In which case, perhaps Prigozhin sees himself as the equivalent of Ramzan Kadyrov, a warlord in charge of his own country. That might be possible.
In the end, it doesn’t matter. Russia will control that territory completely, its economy will be dependent on Russia, and its military defense will be entirely controlled by Russia – possibly with an enlarged Wagner being a significant part of that, except for the strategic weapons control (there’s no way the Russians give Prigozhin control of strategic weapons – as Simplicius pointed out in his article, Wagner in Bakhmut doesn’t control the tactical missile systems.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 23:30 utc | 119

He is another sad case of sellout social democracy.
Perhaps not unexpected for a German social democrat.
Posted by: Ringo | Mar 11 2023 18:37 utc | 16
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Perhaps that is because German Social Democracy has always sold out the German Working Class since the death of Friedrich Engels death in 1895, when Karl Kautsky inherited the role of the intellectual and political conscience of German Marxism.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 11 2023 23:31 utc | 120

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 23:30 utc | 121
He was very obviously trolling Elensky. Heck, he even trolled Shogui as per Simplicius’ Q&A article.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:38 utc | 121

Russia has mobile crematoriums that ‘evaporate’ dead soldiers: report
This was reported at the start of hostilities in February, 2022. The article suggests these units could be used to disguise actual deaths and under report losses.
Just say’n
https://nypost.com/2022/02/24/russia-has-mobile-crematoriums-that-evaporate-the-dead-report/

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 11 2023 23:41 utc | 122

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 23:30 utc | 121
I saw the vid where he mentioned a Russian as joining his Wagner at the front line. Insiders of his joke clarified that this Russian is the anti SMO “son in law” of Shogui. That’s a full kick to Shogui’s balls.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:42 utc | 123

We could deploy our homeless sons and daughters. Our economy produces them in prodigious quantities. They could fight for what Ze and I believe in.
Posted by: Klutch Kargo | Mar 11 2023 22:45 utc | 95
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What exactly do you and Ze believe in? It the murder and genocide of all pro-Russian human beings in Ukraine. Just asking in case I miss read your comment: Please clarify.

Posted by: Ed | Mar 11 2023 23:46 utc | 124

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:38 utc | 123
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:42 utc | 125
Quite possible. Apparently he’s known for being a sarcastic SOB. My kind of guy. 🙂
Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if he did see himself as another Ramzan Kadyrov. Why not? He might even be able to pull it off as long as he doesn’t get in the way of the Putin Team plan, whatever that plan is.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 23:53 utc | 125

We are observers of a war and all the information we get is filtered through lenses controlled by people with their own agenda’s.
It’s probably best to ignore the whole question of casualties. It’s war and people will die. Good soldiers will die despite all of their precautions. Incompetent soldiers will live despite all the dumb things they do.
If Russia has suffered 200,000 dead and another 200k or 300k wounded, then that should be truly worrisome to western military planers because it seems to not even create a ripple on the Russian home front or on Russian operations and apparently Russia has truly inexhaustible reserves.
If Ukraine counter attacks and succeeds then it will mean either Russian Army incompetence – we have the botched operations around Ugledar that tells us that is possible, or the Russian army has been seriously weakened. On the other side of that, we’ve never seen the AFU conduct a successful general attack against determined Russian resistance.
If Ukraine counter attacks and fails, then the “massive Russian casualties” narrative, is further undermined and the Russian incompetence meme is muted. If the counter attack fails it will entail large Ukainian losses. That is the very nature of failed attacks that are pressed with any energy at all. A failed Ukrainian counter-attack would be a great outcome for the Russians. Which perhaps argues for them encouraging such an attack and is perhaps why Wagner keeps complaining that their flanks are hanging in the air.
It’s really impossible to know. I talk to my pro Ukraine friends and point out how Ukraines position continues to get worse. They all agree, but then say, “but the Russians as suffering massive casualties”. It’s impossible to argue with them. It’s all “he-said, she-said”. Results will be the only thing that matters.
One thing that does seem certain – or mostly certain – is that neither side is able to spring big surprises on the other. Western recon is probably marginally better than Russias, but Russia has good enough assets in the air and on the ground to have a pretty clear picture of what is happening.
Whatever happens, it will likely be a few weeks yet as things dry out.

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Mar 11 2023 23:57 utc | 126

I had to Lol at the idea that only one side is lying about casualties. Newsflash MoA, both sides are lying and neither can be trusted. If you doubt that, then you are completely propagandized.

Posted by: Longhorn | Mar 11 2023 23:58 utc | 127

#99
Death makes angels of us all
And gives us wings
Where we had shoulders
Smooth as ravens claw
James Douglas Morrison
An American prayer.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 12 2023 0:00 utc | 128

Posted by: (fake) Tom_Q_Collins (sponsored by NATO) | Mar 11 2023 19:38 utc | 45
Russia did not actually fully mobilize 200,000 people to save costs.
The essence of war is not a big arrow advance, but a ratio of exchange of resources, and defense sometimes favors this.
Even Hitler’s Blitzkrieg was actually a byproduct of earlier and fuller German military mobilization, not the other way around.
Importantly, the fact that Ukraine could not even advance at a far higher military cost than Russia suggests that Russia’s war machine is more efficient than NATO and its puppets in Ukraine.

Posted by: Colin | Mar 12 2023 0:00 utc | 129

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 11 2023 23:41 utc | 124
Don’t you know by now all western MSM are propaganda outlets for the Empire of Lies?
The same fake news sites were also pushing the same fake news of “China deploying mobile crematoriums to hide the death toll” in Wuhan back in 2020.
How do I know those are fake news? I’m a foreigner living in China for past 10 years and my wife is a state nurse.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 12 2023 0:07 utc | 130

#129
I haven’t the foggiest idea
They will add it all up
When the killing stops
You know, like when you purchase something
And get a receipt.

Posted by: Dingo | Mar 12 2023 0:14 utc | 131

Posted by: Longhorn | Mar 11 2023 23:58 utc | 129
You really should read this article. At the end he explained where Russia is fogging real Russian casualties. Of course you can don’t read it too.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/saturday-readers-mailbag-extravaganza

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 12 2023 0:15 utc | 132

Posted by: Dan Farrand | Mar 11 2023 23:57 utc | 128
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Great post.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 12 2023 0:24 utc | 133

I guess Stalin and Khrushchev were liars.
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” Such assessments, however, are contradicted by the opinions of Soviet war participants. Most famously, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.
“I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war,” Stalin said. “The most important things in this war are the machines…. The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.”
Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.
“If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,” he wrote in his memoirs. “One-on-one against Hitler’s Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.”
https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | Mar 12 2023 0:29 utc | 134

@ Deplorable Commissar 120
Indeed WW2 was an existential spiritual crisis for Protestant Christisnity in the same way as Ukraine is for US and UK.
The Zionist Diaspora in anciwnt Rome had already de-fanged its own monotheism by dividing God into the senile Big guy , and the Liberal vicar EeziJeez. 2000 years later as you say the only relic of the relic of monotheism left is the Poirate’s ‘Idden Trezzhar of Land Roits to the ‘Oly Land of Greater Israel.
Into this sad vacuum , by express command of Aunty Merkel and her Predecessors, milluons of Muslim Turks and Muslim Syrians arrived . These latter Muslims being the purest and most rational of all the Muslims. They allow their women folk to have businesses, do.politics and pray in mosques, unlike some others one could mention.
So here is a spiritual vacuum, Nature hates a vacuum, created by the pre-Khazars and modern Khazars being filled by the original recipe of Jewish monotheism, updated by our Beloved prophet Muhammad blessings and peace be upon him.
Sorry, your moniker of Deplorable is asking for being taken with a pinch of salt. I’m sure you ate not deplorable at all.
But Jesus ‘s question ‘ If salt loses its flavour, with what will you salt it? ‘ is answered by: The original corruption of monotheism into Christianity and now Nazism, can only be corrected by the teachings of pure Islam, the newly-issued , 1400 years old , latest version.
You got the ‘house-cleaning’ bit the wrong way round. The Muslim.immigrants will be cleaning up the lost, post-nazi christians, poor things.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 12 2023 0:30 utc | 135

Way too many casualties, I really hope the perpetrators of this are punished once it’s over. Like spend the rest of their days cleaning toilets and sewers punished.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Mar 12 2023 0:34 utc | 136

@ 137
Sorry, should have been Jesus peace be upon him ‘s question.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 12 2023 0:34 utc | 137

Deplorable Commissar | Mar 11 2023 22:58 utc | 103
Tell the @bar you didn’t open the link….. without telling the bar….. you didn’t bother opening link before bloviating.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Mar 12 2023 0:43 utc | 138

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-has-lost-between-10000-13000-soldiers-war-official-2022-12-01/
If we therefore assume x2 seriously wounded we get a figure of between 30-40K losses in 10 months fighting, or 3-4K per month. Now they are saying they have lost an additional 60-70K in just three months, or 20-23K per month. So why are they suffering six times the losses to an army that is supposedly weaker than when it invaded?
Bottom line, if these loss ratios were accurate then we would not be witnessing what IS happening, ergo they are horse-pucky.
A note on those 5:1-7:1 ratios, they sound suspiciously similar to the ones quoted about the Eastern Front in WWII.
now they’re saying, in two months, they’ve lost 60K (100K-40K), or

Posted by: Milites | Mar 12 2023 0:47 utc | 139

Longhorn: One betrays a striking lack of critical thought ans curiosity by assuming both sides would be lying equally, assuming one or both were lying in the first place.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2023 0:47 utc | 140

@ Tannenhouser 138
I’m sorry, but when the descendants of the Pilgrim Fathers, who escaped British Imperialism because it broke the rules of Christianity, have succumbed to the Foam-flecked insanities of Khazarian Cuckoo Imperialism and twisted Christian “””” values “””” into Gothic Nazism, maybe the only way to dispose of the garbage in their minds is to.kill them.
The Qur’an says that the polytheistic garbage in the minds of the Jews who opposed their prophet Jesus pbuh sealed their fate of being massacred by.the Romans. Islam says that Fitnah ( delusional religious practices ) is worse than massacre. By which I suppose is meant that the disease requires culling like Foot and mouth disease or Mad cow disease.
This is one possible way of interpreting the massacring of pagan Ukrainian Nazis.
I am in two minds. I certainly wouldn’t want any pagan Nazis moving into my area.
Thanks for offering.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 12 2023 0:51 utc | 141

Neofeudalfuture | Mar 11 2023 20:01 utc | 50
Meanwhile western media has been going on about prisoners and conscripts in Wagner so I think they’ve lost the thread a bit.
Most of the EX-prisoners have already gone back home (Russia), they have finished the half year.
If these were 2000, 3000 or 10000 prisoners, in percentages this is certainly very high for the Wagner group (10%? 30%? XX%? do not know).
The new round are EX ukrain soldiers(prisoners) who did not want to be exchanged.
This maybe also explains the statements for the UA presidency.
He is a marketing man

Posted by: theo | Mar 12 2023 1:01 utc | 142

The He said/She Said gossip over casualties ought to remind people that the Outlaw US Empire is also known as the Empire of Lies and its entire narrative about most everything happening is 100% prevarication littered here and there with a truth turd. Nothing it, Ukraine, EU or NATO says can be trusted and must be labeled false until proven true–that must be understood as the current Axiom until it self-destructs. When one reads the Outlaw US Empire’s policy papers, they’re all premised on falsehoods and thus whatever policy is derived from them will fail. In his al-Mayadeen column today, “EU’s Von der Leyen to meet Biden to Discuss Jointly Addressing the Threat from China. Be Worried!”, the axiom forms the basis for these upcoming discussions per the captured, enslaved German SPDs:
“Should China indeed decide to provide direct military support for Russia’s war of aggression, which is contrary to international law, we will consult and decide on the necessary responses in close coordination with our allies in the EU and G7… In fact, this would put China on the same level as Iran, against which the EU recently imposed sanctions, as a supplier of weapons”.
Crooke concludes from this entanglement of lies:
“The cost to Europe of sanctioning both Russia and China (with India to come?) would represent a catastrophic loss to Europe. Europe’s sanguinity in the face of such prospect seems truly inexplicable.”
It’s clear that Crooke wrote his column prior to the announced rapprochement between Iran and Saudi, so we’ll see what emerges in his SCF essay tomorrow or Monday.
We spend way too much time decrying and debunking the lies that little time remains for actual analysis. We ought to be examining deployment by both sides along the entire FEBA to try and determine where the offensive pulses will be made in an attempt to discover the Russian General Staff’s plan, but that can’t be done when only minutia and body counts are being debated–it’s like Vietnam all over again in so many ways–from 1945 till today there’s the truth and there’s the Bullshit Narrative that was outed by Ellsberg’s leak of the Pentagon Papers

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 1:02 utc | 143

@ malenkof 142
Good point. Netanyahoo recently told Putin that the expulsion of the Palestinians from the falsely claimed land of his Khazars was a fundamental principle. The entire concept of Zionism.is a WHOPPING lie.
As is the KhazarZios ‘ support of Ukrainian Nazism. Only one side is WHOPPING LYING about KIA in Ukraine, WHOPPING LIAR Washington Khazarians who puppet manage Zelensky. The other side is fog of war optimism, an entirely different kind of
thing.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 12 2023 1:06 utc | 144

The Russians have showed admirable restraint up to now in minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage. But now, after all this carnage, the Ukrainians deserve to be punished severely for needlessly prolonging this war. Take the gloves off and flatten the place, Russia. I’m sick of hearing about Ukraine.

Posted by: Intelligent Dasein | Mar 12 2023 1:06 utc | 145

They also are rumoring the Ukrainian war will over in summer under russian terms. People in lvov and kiev are wondering why oppressing the donbass is worth so much. I mean if they don’t want to be part of ukraine isn’t that just like ukraine not wanting to be part of russia? Hypocrisy is fine, but it’s not very convincing.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Mar 11 2023 23:12 utc | 113

I have seen it both ways, but more so that the Donbas wanted semi-autonomy, like a USA state, not to break away from Ukraine. The Minsk and Minsk 2 peace agreements had Ukraine changing their constitution to allow the Donbas to be semi-autonomous parts of Ukraine. So the Ukrainians were fighting over full control of the Donbas which came about because they felt it was important to repeal a 2012 law two days after a coup. A law that made Russian and other languages official in any area where they were the primary language of 10% or more of the people

Posted by: Simon | Mar 12 2023 1:11 utc | 146

@ karlof1 145
Imho DunGroanin was correct in saying that the PTB of Empire metamorphose themselves from.time to time, in order to fully retain their evil power. The floating of Aramco serms to me to be exactly this type of cynical metamorphosis. It must be reversed, otherwise KSA will be help permanently by the short and curries by USUKIS.
The quickest way to do that imho would be to throw out the corrupt monarchy and start again, killing 2 birds with one stone.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 12 2023 1:15 utc | 147

Perhaps the real agenda behind continued throwing of ever more ukrainian conscript manpower into the Russian artillery grinder, is one of covert ethnic cleansing by the Kiev regime.

Posted by: Rattus | Mar 12 2023 1:15 utc | 148

Speaking of casualties, I just happened upon this story:
INTEL DROP STORY re: hypersonic attack on NATO personnel
Waiting for corroboration.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Mar 12 2023 1:15 utc | 149

@ Objective Observer 151
There are plenty more bunkers around the 13% of Western heebijeebery smoke and mirrors NWO. The Russians took out all the Syrian bunkers that Hillary Cunton built for Al Qaida , so it’s not exactly new to the wankees in Washington that these things can happen. Some people never learn.

Posted by: Giyane | Mar 12 2023 1:22 utc | 150

Ukraine Govt = 100% lies, deceit, deception, hatred. Gee, same as US Govt.

Posted by: JustTruth | Mar 12 2023 1:29 utc | 151

RSH @108–
So what’s the point? And what’s the outcome of such a confrontation – WWIII? And what should Russia do to preempt this situation, if anything? Is Russia going to have to conduct a preemptive invasion of Poland? Is the West forcing Russia to do what the West frequently accuses it of doing, namely conquering all of Europe?
Is the West making WWIII a self-fulfilling prophecy? This would not surprise me, since humans always make mistakes and then compound those mistakes in trying to fix the first mistakes. The bottom line appears to be: The West wants to destroy Russia, so Russia is going to be forced to destroy the West.
I’ve been assuming that all Russia wanted to do with this Ukraine war was counter the strategic weapons in Poland and Romania. Now I must consider that Russia sees that only the complete military and economic destruction of the West – to include the US – is the solution to Russia’s security concerns.

All the above I’ve pondered since the decision to move the Ukies back so their weapons can’t hit Russian territory, which partly fueled my comment @145. What I read coming from the Empire’s mouthpieces is its supposed primacy cannot be lost whatsoever–the Outlaw US Empire must remain on the top of the hill–but when you read things like Biden’s proposed budget, that goal isn’t stated anywhere. Why might that be? Because to remain on top of the hill means preparing to wage Total War and that will kill the financial markets upon which the Neoliberals live on–recall, they’re parasites and those markets are their host.
The result is you have a 100% resolved Russia whose stated goal is to end Western Hegemony, and the same goal goes for China, Iran, and those that are aligned with them. I wrote earlier today that we’ll see about 150-160 nations confronting 30-35 as the two blocs that I’ve written about emerge into clear sight. Many of the former bloc have stated they want to see the end of hegemony and its related Neocolonial system and the establishment of a fair and just international system of the sort that was supposed to be WW2’s outcome. Most of the people living within the latter bloc don’t really want to participate and would desert if they could, thus the extremely intense propaganda/info war.
As I see things now, Russia would rather fight NATO within Ukraine because it’s going to vanish in the end. Two, The RoW doesn’t need that other bloc to get on with life whereas that other bloc is geoeconomically dependent on RoW, which is why my mantra that geoeconomics will rule all in the end. IMO, Russia expects NATO to rebrand itself as Ukie and is willing to fight it in that guise where its fate will be the same as the Ukies. Russia knows it has superior arms, soldiers and leadership plus political will. All NATO has is lies. And its biggest component is a coward at root that is more than willing to have all of Europe perish in its interest. IMO, many Europeans understand that latter fact, but those running their nations are bought and thus traitors. Revolution many times greater in intensity than those of 1848 will need to occur for the greater mass of Europeans to save themselves. Thus, I don’t see Russia having to physically invade outside of Ukraine, although it will likely destroy potentially offensive weapons systems capable of threatening Russia such as those already emplaced in Poland and Romania.
The reality is it’s already a global war with military action currently restricted to a small region. As we’re seeing, The Outlaw US Empire is trying to expand that region without making it obvious that it’s the instigator, although the RoW already knows its ploys.
When you lie your way to the top, the fall to the ground is usually very painful, and that’s my prognostication for the Empire I reside within.

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 1:54 utc | 152

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 1:02 utc | 145
“We ought to be examining deployment by both sides along the entire FEBA to try and determine where the offensive pulses will be made in an attempt to discover the Russian General Staff’s plan”
Good luck with that! Without detailed listings of Russian unit designations, TOEs of units, and unit battlefield locations, that’s next to impossible. Talk to any GRU buddies you might have – or maybe someone in the US National Reconnaissance Office or the The U.S. Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (USAF ISR) Enterprise – is the only way we’ll get that information. The same applies to Ukrainian forces.
I don’t bother trusting any of these – as Martyanov says – “fanbois” and “clickbait sites” and Telegram channels with their maps and little unit designations they got from some other Telegram channel. If they even have some useful information, it likely changes before they even publish it and it’s likely no where near comprehensive. That includes all these guys like Dima.
Fergeddaboudit. We’ll know what happens when it happens, just like it’s been up to now. The only thing that matters is who’s left standing in the end. And that’s guaranteed to be Russia. The only issue I care about is what Russia does at the end, and I think I already know that, at least in broad terms.
But what happens after that is, as my previous post indicates, is my new concern. A new Cold War 2.0 direct kinetic conflict between NATO and Russia leading to WWIII is a direct threat to me. I couldn’t care less what happens to Europe in the process, but a direct US war with Russia is not in my interest.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 1:58 utc | 153

The only way they can get away with these inflated casualty numbers for Russian forces is the lack of progress of Russian forces.
The Russian forces have made negative territorial gains since May 2022 – almost a full year ago!

Posted by: Julian | Mar 12 2023 2:01 utc | 154

but a direct US war with Russia is not in my interest.
Same here, brother. I am 110% pulling for Russia in this, but if it’s a direct war with the US, then that puts me in kind of a dilemma.

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 12 2023 2:02 utc | 155

Personally, I don’t believe anything that the Ukrainians say about the SMO. First of all, the liars signed up for the Minsk agreements and they had almost 8 years to build a studly military. What happened? They spent those eight years periodically murdering their Russian speaking fellow Ukrainians in the Donbas and getting repulsed by a couple of provincial militias. Since the Russian army stepped in, the AFU hasn’t won a single battle. Quite a come down for the people once known as the Tsar’s shock troops. If the AFU is doing so well, why is the Z-man constantly begging for more and much more expensive weapons?
Personally, I’m going to sit on the sidelines with a bag of popcorn. Artyomovsk is gonna fall. Whenever that happens, Russia is going to roll up the AFU’s lines. The Z-man is desperately trying to drag NATO into the fray to do the dirty work that the AFU can’t. We’ll see if the old colonial powers can come to their senses and put a kibosh on the US”s imperial dreams. I don’t hold out much hope. These are the sam idiots that brought us WWI.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Mar 12 2023 2:06 utc | 156

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 1:54 utc | 154
You posted while I was posting so this is a followup.
“Thus, I don’t see Russia having to physically invade outside of Ukraine, although it will likely destroy potentially offensive weapons systems capable of threatening Russia such as those already emplaced in Poland and Romania.”
Well, the issue there is how does such a war play out? Russia drops missiles on various sites in Europe, or at least Poland. What happens next? Everyone in the US and Europe just says, “OK, time out, let’s negotiate?” Maybe – but what if they don’t?
Yes, Russia would rather not fight NATO outside Ukraine. But what it they have to? If Poland builds this new army to replace Ukraine as the US stalking horse to counter the Russian Military District inside Ukraine which Russia is likely to build, my point was: what happens next? They just stare at each other over the Polish border for the next five decades like Cold War 1.0? Does the US and NATO sit around and accept this again as the failure of their effort to destabilize and destroy Russia?
Or do they push some more or double down?
You say the US is going down economically. Well, that’s been true for decades for those paying attention. I can remember the “gold bugs” talking about that stuff in the 1970s. It’s just now been accelerated by the West’s idiotic actions against Russia, Iran and China.
Maybe the US does collapse economically before this hypothetical Cold War 2.0 war starts. Or as I mentioned, maybe the leaders in the West get overthrown before that can happen. But what if they don’t?
Of course, all these uncertainties can’t be predicted in advance without a lot of data on which to base an analysis. If we should be analyzing anything, it’s this stuff, not the minutia of where Ukraine or Russia might launch an offensive in this narrow area of the Ukraine conflict. What happens on the battlefield in Ukraine is not going to affect anyone at the bar (unless they live there.) What happens afterward might very well.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 2:11 utc | 157

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Mar 12 2023 2:06 utc | 158
“Personally, I’m going to sit on the sidelines with a bag of popcorn.”
I agree – except no popcorn for me since I’m on a keto diet right now with 20 pounds to go. 🙂
As noted in my last couple posts, what concerns me is what happens after Russia wins this war. Too little discussion about that. Always ask the next question, I always say.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 2:14 utc | 158

Re: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 11 2023 22:41 utc | 95

Will there still be a Poland in 2025?

Of course there will, why wouldn’t there be?
At the current rate of progress the Donbas may be liberated by 2024, perhaps Kharkiv by 2025 – we are nowhere near the Polish border at present.

Posted by: Julian | Mar 12 2023 2:19 utc | 159

Neither Tooze nor any commentator I’ve seen yet ties the SVB failure to the diminished trust in US currency (and therefore also dollar denominated securities) due to US sanctions and actions such as blowing up Nordstream.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Mar 12 2023 2:23 utc | 160

Charles Peterson | Mar 12 2023 2:23 utc | 162
I don’t pretend to understand it but there are some indicators that can help you figure out what’s going on:
1. California state regulators are the ones that raised the alarm on this, and they sandbagged the U.S. government when they did it.
2. The bank is a creature of Silicon Valley.
3. The Big Tech companies there are sitting on incredible amounts of cash rather than giving dividends to their shareholders.

Posted by: rk | Mar 12 2023 2:33 utc | 161

@Clever Dog | Mar 11 2023 19:12 utc | 28
Yes it was at Vuhledar where the Russians lost so many armoured vehicles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3-5kUwVR80
Why the Russians like making things difficult for themselves by letting Ukrainian reinforcements advance unmolested to the line of contact all the time Zeus alone knows. Then they didn’t suppress the Ukrainian artillery and drones and don’t seem to know the difference between mine impacts and artillery impacts. And it would have taken very little effort on the Russian side to suppress the Ukrainian artillery and drones, the Russians have got all of that automated already.

Posted by: gT | Mar 12 2023 2:48 utc | 162

Silicon Valley Bank (like the other bank that failed) had a different customer base than a typical bank – startups (crypto firms). Because of a boom in startup activities, Silicon Valley Bank had more deposits come in in 2021 and early 2022 than they could loan out. So they bought long term treasuries and mortgage backed securities with the deposits they couldn’t loan out. They didn’t hedge those bonds for rising interest rates, just planning to hold to maturity. Then startups stopped getting money and depositing it due to a change in economic conditions. But they continued withdrawing money to meet their expenses. So Silicon Valley Bank ended up needing to sell some of their bonds. Since interest rates had risen throughout 2022 they sold them at a loss. Venture capitalists took note of the bank selling $22 billion in bonds for a loss and advised their clients to withdraw funds. So SVB had a bank run.

Posted by: Simon | Mar 12 2023 3:02 utc | 163

In a post on Telegram the Wagner boss said the number of prisoners who signed up is less than 5% of the fielded. He also said now he don’t need to look for prisoners because he’s getting many foreigners who want to sign up.

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 12 2023 3:05 utc | 164

Posted by: Julian | Mar 12 2023 2:01 utc | 156
You mean you actually saw ZERO forward movements by the Russians these past months?
I recommend you read Simplicius.
https://substack.com/profile/125744148-simplicius-the-thinker

Posted by: Surferket | Mar 12 2023 3:09 utc | 165

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 12 2023 2:02 utc | 157
the US isn’t giving them a choice. if the US wins, they get torn apart. that is going to result in nukes flying. we have to hope there is enough sanity in washington to restrain the neocons after Russia wins the proxy war. a slender thread, i know.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 12 2023 3:09 utc | 166

Pretzelattack – what do you mean if the US wins ‘they’ get torn apart? Who is ‘they’? The US?

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 12 2023 3:12 utc | 167

“3. The Big Tech companies there are sitting on incredible amounts of cash rather than giving dividends to their shareholders.”
A lot of them are pinned under piles of debt that dwarf their cash assets. They pigged out on almost zero-interest loans that they’re hardly in a position to repay.

Posted by: malenkov | Mar 12 2023 3:13 utc | 168

rk | Mar 12 2023 2:33 utc | 163
Another factor that SVB had, which may be an issue with other banks, is their large holdings of almost zero interest bonds. Banks purchased alot of these bonds over the years and the increases in the Fed’s interest rate on treasuries has diminished the value of these bonds signicantly. Such that they they must be sold at a discount. This loss on these bonds affects the liquidity of the bank’s operations. This is what appears to have been happening with SVB perhaps due to their high cash deposit holdings rather than loans. If the could hold onto the bonds until maturity there probably would be no issue. However, if they can’t then they become insolvent. Holdings of these almost zero interest bonds is an issue with all banks.
The Fed seems to have raised interest rates exclusively on inflation considerations, and created a liquidity issue for financial institutions. They may now have to lower them. Or perhaps have negative rates on savings.
Didn’t some EU counties have negative savings rates?

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 12 2023 3:15 utc | 169

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 12 2023 3:12 utc | 169
Russia gets broken into tiny states to be looted at the convenience of the US. that’s what various neocons have admitted is the goal. and then the US turns on China. The US is driving this conflict, and many others, in order to maintain a position as THE world power. That is going to lead to an eventual nuclear war, or it’s going to lead to a lot of change in who runs the US.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Mar 12 2023 3:16 utc | 170

MiniMo 21
Estimates based on body parts.

Posted by: Dadda | Mar 12 2023 3:24 utc | 171

@#2 FrankDrakman maybe not what you’re looking for but 50 Russian tanks are reported at lost. HOW RUSSIA FAILED TO CAPTURE VUHLEDAR (Analysis)

Posted by: John Kauai | Mar 12 2023 3:28 utc | 172

I don’t pretend to understand it but there are some indicators that can help you figure out what’s going on:
Posted by: rk | Mar 12 2023 2:33 utc | 163
Newsome wants to run in 2024.

Posted by: Bemildred | Mar 12 2023 3:30 utc | 173

Re: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 11 2023 23:04 utc | 108
Russia has indicated no desire to go to Western Ukraine and I see no evidence that they will.
Russia is also not going to invade Poland – more insane speculation on your part!
Russia may be considering an intervention in Georgia (they certainly should be), and they may be considering some sort of intervention in Moldova (they certainly should be), and at the most Russia should also be considering some sort of intervention in those loud mouthed Baltic States – but there is no good reason to go further than that – better to strike deals from a position of strength rather than overextend and weaken oneself!
I would suggest an intervention in (still) non-NATO Finland would at this stage be more likely than an intervention in Poland.
Finland is a lot closer to Moscow/St. Petersburg than Poland.
Karelian border disputes anyone?

Posted by: Julian | Mar 12 2023 3:32 utc | 174

Thus spake Prigozhin:

Yevgeny Prigozhin said that after the capture of Bakhmut, PMCs are waiting for a smooth reformatting and transformation into an army with an ideological component. Some of the people will be dismissed, leaving the best, some of the contract will end. And then they start recruiting again. This was, on the whole, to be expected, since the organization had already gained considerable weight, both political and social.
And further, without the ideological component, PMCs will no longer be able to exist. It is time to explain who they are, what they are and what they are for, in order to stop insinuations. The current statement summed up the natural result of almost a dozen declarative statements regarding the ideological component of Wagner PMC.
And the ideology should be simple and clear as a sledgehammer.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 12 2023 3:44 utc | 175

Some people are still thinking Russia is failing by not advancing rapidly. Maybe they should revise basic warfare strategies, and try to remember the stated Russian aims of the SMO which is still a limited war. Yes Russian and Donbass forces did advance rapidly between Feb 24th and March 26th 2022. Then they rapidly pulled back from Vosnesensk and Kiev in the week between March 26th and April 5th 2022; phase 1 was over. From then on they consolidated the SE block and Azov coast, and smoothed the line of contact on the new border. They continue to take over control of roads, then the territory enclosed by those roads. They don’t expend great resources on preventing Ukrainian forces reaching the front, but focus on kettling them. Yes it is messy, what did anyone expect?

Posted by: olaf22 | Mar 12 2023 3:50 utc | 176

Pretzelattack – Gotcha, I thought you were talking about the US, but yeah, I get your point loud and clear. I thought the Russian Federation was already kind of like that though – many autonomous countries coming together under a federal umbrella.
At any rate, any and all peace-loving people of the world need to be coming together and supporting President Trump in 2024. The only US President not to start a war in I don’t know how long. I do sincerely believe that if Presidents Trump and Putin could meet as heads of state again, they could iron out this Ukraine mess in an hour tops.

Posted by: LGB! | Mar 12 2023 4:04 utc | 177

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts in the Evening of 11 Mar 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️
⚔️ Situation on the Fronts for the past Day
🔹#Svatovo – #Kremennaya (#Starobelsk) Direction:
➖ Near #Kupyansk, positional fighting continues, our artillery is working briskly.
➖ The militants attempted to attack in the areas of #Ploshchanka and Zhuravka Balka, but the RF Armed Forces counterattacked and took new positions.
➖ The Russian army is also advancing in the #Serebryanskoye forestry.
🔹#Artyomovsk (#Bakhmut) Sector:
➖ “Orchestrators” continue to entrench themselves in Dubovo-Vasilyevka, developing an offensive against the AFU positions in the direction of Orekhovo-Vasilyevka and #Zaliznyanskoye.
➖ Fighters of the Wagner PMC are advancing on the territory of the AZOM plant.
➖ In the south of #Artyomovsk heavy fighting is going on, ours storming the militants’ strongholds on Korsunsky Street and Chaikovsky Street in the Budenovka and Sobachevka districts.
🔹#Donetsk & #SouthDonetsk Directions:
➖ In #Maryinka, the Russian army continues to advance, with fighting going on in the centre of the city.
➖ Also ours, supported by artillery, are advancing on the southern outskirts of #Krasnogorovka.
➖ The RF Armed Forces are also advancing in #Pervomayskoye.
➖ The storming of #Avdeyevka continues.

https://t.me/sitreports/5685

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 4:13 utc | 178

Supporters of Saakashvili: A coup d’etat and a pro-Ukrainian government may be formed in Georgia.
The real purpose of the riots in Georgia is to make a coup d’etat and bring a pro-Ukrainian party to power in Tbilisi, former Prime Minister and former Interior Minister of Georgia Vano Merabishvili said.
“We are going to start mass actions, and I am sure that the Georgian society will support us in order to change the government and to make a pro-Western, pro-Ukrainian government come to power in Georgia.” “So that Ukraine is not alone,” Merabishvili said.
He promised that the new Georgian leadership would fight against Russia and support the Kiev regime in everything.
“We are practically allies; we should be together, and together we should celebrate the victory not only over Russia but also the accession to the EU, NATO, and so on.” “I am sure that this spring and summer will be very interesting in the sense of solving problems in Georgia,” the politician concluded.
“>https://t.me/ukraina_ru/137050

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36779

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 4:16 utc | 179

Posted by: Julian | Mar 12 2023 3:32 utc | 176
“Russia has indicated no desire to go to Western Ukraine and I see no evidence that they will.”
Not going to bother responding to that since I’ve made my reasons clear on that numerous times here.
“Russia is also not going to invade Poland – more insane speculation on your part!”
Your assertion that Russia will not invade Poland is as much a speculation as my observation. I did not say Russia would invade Poland unilaterally absent sufficient provocation. But if Poland builds a large army and then starts pushing into Ukraine or some such action, Russia will have to preempt it just like they did Ukraine. Russia will not tolerate NATO armies on its borders. What part of that don’t you comprehend? The very reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was to set up Ukraine as a buffer zone between Poland and Russia, which is why Russia will take all of Ukraine up to the Polish border. But if Poland starts pushing into Ukraine as has been clearly spoken about by the Polish government, then Russia will have to respond.
Further, as I and others have said, it is clear the US neocons aren’t going to stop trying to destabilize and dismember Russia. This is precisely why Poland is rearming – they are going to be the next “Ukraine”, now that the Ukraine project has failed. This should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.
As for the other interventions you speak about, there is no more motivation to do those than there is to invade Poland, so I don’t see why you bothered mentioning them. Moldova is not a serious threat to anyone, including Transnistria (without support from Romania or Ukraine.) And Russia is not going to vade the Baltic States just because they have “big mouths.”
Clearly your comprehension of strategic planning is simplistic in the extreme.
Russia may be considering an intervention in Georgia (they certainly should be), and they may be considering some sort of intervention in Moldova (they certainly should be), and at the most Russia should also be considering some sort of intervention in those loud mouthed Baltic States – but there is no good reason to go further than that – better to strike deals from a position of strength rather than overextend and weaken oneself!
I would suggest an intervention in (still) non-NATO Finland would at this stage be more likely than an intervention in Poland.
Finland is a lot closer to Moscow/St. Petersburg than Poland.
Karelian border disputes anyone?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 4:17 utc | 180

The Zelensky regime sent 120 Ukrainian militants to Georgia a month before the start of the protests in Tbilisi, specializing in terrorist attacks and provocations, a source from the OP said.
Prepare a new group of landing – provocateurs.
In 2014, the Georgian special services were seconded by Saakashvili to the Maidan to kill protesters and create provocations – aggravating the conflict, today the role of killers is assigned to Ukrainian nationalists.
Yesterday, Zelensky officially spoke out in support of the protesters in Georgia and, in fact, called for a coup d’état.
It’s a pity the Georgians don’t understand that Washington is pushing them to a new war.
The video shows a Georgian protester with a bullet wound to his leg.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36783

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 4:18 utc | 181

olaf22 #178
Exactly that and Russia has established facts on the ground: the lands that were immediately liberated are being progressively restored after battle damage. The citizens immediately enjoyed Russian pension and family support. The infrastructure has been seriously improved from some of the Soviet Union legacy stuff.
In holding the front close to short, defended supply lines the Russians and local forces have an immense advantage. The Ukies have to transit hundreds of vulnerable kilometers into a zone where many unfriendly local eyes are upon them. City and town destruction is contained to a narrow, mostly rural band and by the time Russia advances another hundred kilometers in a year or so the Ukrainian war menace will have capitulated.
The fanatical hatred that the Ukies have for Russians sees them shelling civilian residences, schools, hospitals and ignoring the rail and road supply lines to the front. Dumb as cane toads. Now they bleat they are short on ammo!
I repeat myself but: the nazi magnet continues to attract all those killers from Ukraine and abroad who stupidly rush in to die or get mangled. Ukraine is seriously demilitarised (as is the west by all accounts) but more significant is the nazi diaspora is being reduced to orchard fertiliser in a Novorossiya with excellent agricultural export potential.
The cities further west are mostly intact. Cold but intact. The residents are gonna hate the Zelensky and swastika bastards for a long time and with little encouragement will cleanse the roaches lurking in the suburbs today and for many tomorrows should any expats trickle home. No need for an intrusive Russian occupation if they can contrive a renewal political class to take Novorossiya forward.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 12 2023 4:20 utc | 182

Storm Clouds.
Over the last several days news has emerged that the Ukrainians have massed essentially every unit or part of a unit they could scrape together – some nineteen brigades, although most of them are probably well understrength – for a large-scale counteroffensive aimed at driving back the Russian forces now on the verge of seizing the city of Bakhmut. As usual, Russian defeatists, wallowing in “Kharkov syndrome,” are despairingly asking if the Russian General Staff is aware of this development as though the high command is somehow behind the curve of Telegram and the mainstream media. This should not be a concern: Russian commanders have consistently out-fought and out-generaled their Ukrainian counterparts and their NATO advisors throughout this war, and the present situation is no exception.
Recall the VSU has been attempting to mass an intact corps in western Zaporozhe for an offensive south aimed at the Sea of Azov to be launched sometime this spring. That offensive has now been called off and those forces redeployed for this operation to relieve Bakhmut. I can’t emphasize this strongly enough – this is THE Ukrainian counteroffensive, the one that was supposed to retake Mariupol, isolate Crimea and set the stage for Ukrainian victory. It is now being redirected on short notice, with inadequately prepared and equipped troops (particularly lacking their morale-boosting Western tanks and IFVs), months ahead of schedule, in an entirely different sector of the front than planned, in far worse terrain and weather conditions, against a less important objective, in a desperate attempt to roll back a successful Russian offensive. This is a recipe for a fiasco.
Russian troops are pouring in to reinforce the area and strikes against this Ukrainian grouping have already begun, with multiple VSU ammunition depots destroyed. This is a critical opportunity to break the VSU, and I suspect the much-maligned Stavka will take full advantage.
– Alcibiades

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/47763

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 4:21 utc | 183

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Mar 12 2023 3:44 utc | 177
“And the ideology should be simple and clear as a sledgehammer.”
LOL None of which was present in that statement.
Just another troll from Prigozhin. If he has a plan and an ideology, spit it out, otherwise who cares? My suspicion remains he wants to be Ramzan Kadyrov with his own “republic”. Fine, whatever. Who cares?
All this is just meaningless and irrelevant bullshit. Why it has to be an important discussion that everyone is concerned about is beyond me.
Actually, it isn’t beyond me. Every time Prigozhin opens his mouth to criticize the Russian MoD, concern trolls seize on this stuff. They have no comprehension of what he means, or what his intentions are, or even if anything he says is true – which is problematic at best. But they can use it to promote FUD about the Russian capability to win this war – which is simply stupid. And anyone who buys into it is stupid.
I will reiterate again for the retarded: There is absolutely no possibility that Russia can lose this war, based on the actual military balance between Russia and Ukraine/NATO, short of nukes being deployed on the battlefield (and possibly not even then.) Period. End of story.
Concern trolls need to take their retarded BS down the road. (NOT yelling at you, uncle tungsten.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 4:27 utc | 184

“Russia may be considering an intervention in Georgia (they certainly should be), and they may be considering some sort of intervention in Moldova (they certainly should be), and at the most Russia should also be considering some sort of intervention in those loud mouthed Baltic States – but there is no good reason to go further than that – better to strike deals from a position of strength rather than overextend and weaken oneself!
I would suggest an intervention in (still) non-NATO Finland would at this stage be more likely than an intervention in Poland.
Finland is a lot closer to Moscow/St. Petersburg than Poland.
Karelian border disputes anyone?

Sorry, that part was left in my response to Julian. Ignore.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 4:29 utc | 185

In western Ukraine, the Russian hypersonic missile Kinzhal struck an 80-meter-deep bunker. The RF believes this bunker near Lvov was a NATO strategic command point used to control anti-aircraft systems. It’s still early to confirm the information, but the RF assumes there were up to 300 personnel in the bunker, 40 of whom were high-ranking foreign specialists; hence, we can expect 40 body bags to be heading west in due course. Unconfirmed reports state that in the Nikolaev region, the RF destroyed four senior militants and a number of officers and planners.

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/09/2nd-kinzhal-attack-hits-natos-western-command-center-400-feet-underground-40-killed/
Posted by: Surferket | Mar 11 2023 23:12 utc | 114
Low-quality outlet, and “Cossack Colonel Yuri Kominyenko” does not inspire that much confidence. Still, information may be leaked in manners intended not to cause alarm. It is remarkable, how quietly this last missile attack were reported by both sides. But Ukraine claimed that Russia used SIX Kinzhal missiles:
https://www.ft.com/content/b3f2a598-7bd5-4de7-a417-bb6fe2950473

Of the more than 80 rockets fired, six were nuclear-capable hypersonic Kh-47 Kinzhal air-to-surface missiles, according to Ukrainian officials.

Revenge, according to Russia, but for what, and on whom?

“In response to terrorist acts in the Bryansk region organised by Kyiv on March 2, Russia’s military forces carried out a massive revenge strike,” the ministry said in a statement on Thursday. “The goal of the revenge strike has been reached. Critical elements of the Ukrainian military and energetic infrastructure have been hit.”

Posted by: veto | Mar 12 2023 4:30 utc | 186

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 4:21 utc | 185
Alcibiades is correct, especially his observation: ” As usual, Russian defeatists, wallowing in “Kharkov syndrome,” are despairingly asking if the Russian General Staff is aware of this development as though the high command is somehow behind the curve of Telegram and the mainstream media.”
Fucking concern trolls. We’re going to hear about this “19 brigade offensive” crap for the next month. Then once Bahkmut has fallen, it will start all over again for the Kramatorsk line. All this “but Ukraine has hundreds of thousands of troops” bullshit…
So does Russia, morons. And 10 to 1 advantage in artillery. As I’ve said many times, the more useless bodies you bring to a fight, the higher the body count ratio goes up. That’s all that’s achieved.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Mar 12 2023 4:34 utc | 187

thanks b…
the link on the bank failure from tooze is good.. i don’t understand why he pedals the bullshit on ukraine advantage here.. it is nuts…

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2023 4:39 utc | 188

This makes no sense. Had 200,000 Russian’s be killed or seriously wounded in the war while 20,000 to 30,000 of those were killed or wounded in the past six month then the first six month of the war would have cost the Russian side 175,000 losses. That’s more than the total numbers that were, until the recent mobilization, involved in the whole campaign. Those numbers must have been pulled from hot air.


I don’t think they were pulled from hot air, I think its psychological projection. Replace the word ‘Russian’ with ‘Ukrainian’ in this paragraph, and I think that you have a pretty accurate picture of Ukrainian casualties. It’s not enough to fool B or anyone else here on MOA, buts its enough to fool the normies who are easily taken in by lies that contain at least a little bit of truth in them.

Posted by: Monos | Mar 12 2023 4:47 utc | 189

The Russian forces have made negative territorial gains since May 2022 – almost a full year ago!
Posted by: Julian | Mar 12 2023 2:01 utc | 156
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How many thousands of Ukrainian (and Polish) soldiers have been de-militarized? De-militarization was one of the goals of the SMO. Once the troops are exhausted, territorial gains will come easily. And we’re getting closer and closer to exhausting the Ukraine’s “talent” pool when it comes to the military.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Mar 12 2023 4:48 utc | 190

Julian | Mar 12 2023 3:32 utc | 176
It is hard to comprehend the fear of Russia in Europe – other than in the immediate neighboring nations, and perhaps Norway and France, which both have history of collaboration ‘officially’, during the war, with the occupying force (Quisling and Vichy come to mind). I am not talking here about the Sovjet-occupied countries like Germany, Poland and the other eastern European countries – those were headed by a Sovjet-installed regimes after the war.
Russia -if it ever would get the crazy idea (as Germany under Nazis had to conquer Europe) – to attack and occupy Sweden, Finland, Poland, France, all NATO countries in Europe, it would need to place many tens of thousands Russians in those countries to do the administration and supervision, and of course keep large military bases there.
As Putin said – we have enough land, we don’t need more of it…or something in that vein. So, the whole fearmongering about Russia’s threat is such a big lie, like the yacht to sabotage the NS pipelines.
So, in face of the simple truth that Russia is not a threat anymore, it is even more ‘harebrainish’ for Sweden and Finland to join NATO.

Posted by: fanto | Mar 12 2023 4:49 utc | 191

One account of the battle inside Bakhmut is they use small 2-4 man teams, who advance and whose job is to expose enemy positions, often inside the buildings or cover. It may or may not produce casualties, depending on how good shooters opposite side are, and what’s their reaction time to hit someone briefly without cover. Then they quickly call the artillery strike to that building, etc.
Re. Zelensky and Bakhmut relationship. It’s possible that Zelensky sees a similar potential crisis of Bakhmut as was Azovstal and Mariupol. We’ve heard estimates that there are still anywhere between 10-20k “ukrainians” inside Bakhmut. It could also include a lot of foreign mercs.
Recall that in Azovstal there were also a heck of a lot of foreign mercs. It prompted UAF to send helicopters in attempts to evacuate them, they must have sent even 20 old Mi-8/Mi-14 helicopters over a period of some weeks but claimedly non of them ever succeeded and were shot down.
It could be same in Bakhmut. But now they are committing the entire army in the de-blocking attempt. Ukraine always values and prioritizes foreign mercs.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 4:53 utc | 192

LGB! | Mar 12 2023 4:04 utc | 179
Vote for Trump? Why?
-Trump is a Zionist and has dual loyalties to the USA and Israel
https://contendingmodernities.nd.edu/global-currents/trumpdualloyalty/
-Trump has received the Zionist Organization of America highest award, the Theodor Herzl Medallion, in recognition of this fact.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2022-10-14/ty-article/.premium/zoa-to-award-donald-trump-with-its-highest-honor/00000183-d7ca-ddf0-adb7-f7ee786d0000
-Trump has issued an Executive Order restricting the free speech of Americans to critize Israeli or Zionist actions.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/trump-appeases-israel-lobby-executive-order
-Trump fundamentally provided the mechanism to start the Ukraine war by recognizing Israeli sovereignty of the Golen Heights which contains immense amounts of oil. The objective of the West in the Ukraine war has little to do with Russia or the Dombas. It was started so the EU would be removed from Mother Russia’s Oil Tit and be put on an Israeli Oil Tit. Israel shipped its first tanker of oil to Europe about 2-3 weeks ago.
https://accuracy.org/release/trumps-recognition-of-golan-violates-international-law/
Someone needs to tell these Ukrainian soldiers in the field they are fighting to so the EU can buy Israeli oil rather than Russian.

Posted by: Jerr | Mar 12 2023 4:54 utc | 193

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 1:02 utc | 145
i love that you write here, karlof1. i agree with someone, i forget who, that quoted serge as saying that the less we all know about what russia does next, the better. the better chance for them to win.
thanks all you posters.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Mar 12 2023 4:56 utc | 194

Posted by: karlof1 | Mar 12 2023 1:02 utc | 145
If EU starts messing with Chinese sanctions, EU is heading to the economic level of an average Nprth African country very quickly. The point is, like in oil, they haven’t created waterproof sanctions, the trade with Russia is still running more or less normally with hick-ups here and there.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 4:59 utc | 195

also am hoping rfk runs for prez. not that the machines, both literal and party. and the corpse media will let him win. but i’d love it and i’d probably work for it, at least some.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Mar 12 2023 5:00 utc | 196

There are more and more stupid comments on here and people actually getting into discussions about Ukraine and Russian Casualties When Ukraine is on maybe tenth Mobilisation they haven’t only lost 20 to 30,000 dead more like 300K dead, Russia has had one mobilisation of reservists of 300K and have said they don’t need any more they have sufficient to end this campaign so I will believe they have excessive losses if they mobilise another 300K. Someone said the 300k have been absorbed to cover the losses but I think many are in Belarus waiting for the Poles to start something there and the balance are in training waiting for the expected NATO participation in the SMO. If the US and its few willing (Stupid Partners) decide to get involved Russia will need these reserves ASAP no time to train a force to repel the western invasion force

Posted by: Les1946 | Mar 12 2023 5:01 utc | 197

“So, it’s ‘goodbye’ to traditional Intelligence! And ‘welcome’ to western Intelligence 101: Geo-Politics no longer revolves around a grasp on Reality. It is about the installation of ideological pseudo-realism – which is the universal installation of a singular groupthink, such that everyone lives passively by it, until it is far too late to change course”

Posted by: Aslangeo | Mar 11 2023 20:53 utc | 62
Aslangeo, thank you for this! Reposting the link for others:
https://sonar21.com/how-could-western-intelligence-have-got-it-wrong-again-they-didnt-they-had-other-purposes/
It reminds me of the Kubler-Ross 5 stages of grief, stage 1 denial. I don’t know how neurons and synapses rearrange to allow the rational mind to be subverted into rationalizing an emotion need, but this article does a good job of explaining how a complex intelligence structure is subverted from providing sound intelligence to rationalizing support for a political need.
Heads up for all, stage 2 is anger.

Posted by: team10tim | Mar 12 2023 5:04 utc | 198

By the way, I recently read a statement by general Krivonos, same guy who told in September Ukraine losses were “hundreds of thousands”. He said that Bakhmut should have been abandoned weeks ago. It seems to be a dominating opinion in the lower officer ranks in UAF.
But now they have taken the absolutely opposite approach. We’ll see what happens soon.

Posted by: unimperator | Mar 12 2023 5:09 utc | 199

In western Ukraine, the Russian hypersonic missile Kinzhal struck an 80-meter-deep bunker. The RF believes this bunker near Lvov was a NATO strategic command point used to control anti-aircraft systems.
It’s still early to confirm the information, but the RF assumes there were up to 300 personnel in the bunker, 40 of whom were high-ranking foreign specialists; hence, we can expect 40 body bags to be heading west in due course.
Unconfirmed reports state that in the Nikolaev region, the RF destroyed four senior militants and a number of officers and planners.
https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/03/09/2nd-kinzhal-attack-hits-natos-western-command-center-400-feet-underground-40-killed/

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/36769

Posted by: Down South | Mar 12 2023 5:11 utc | 200